Debate Show: The Biggest Debate on Dharmendra Pradhan's Resignation – Is Something Big About to Happen?

[00:04] introduce you to today's guests. Joining us this time is Pooja, Congress Party leader and spokesperson. Along with this, Manoj Yadav ji is the leader and spokesperson of Samajwadi Party. Leader and spokesperson of the Bharatiya Janata Party.

[00:18] Manoj Yadav ji is the leader and spokesperson of Samajwadi Party. Nimansh Sharma, leader and spokesperson of Aam Aadmi Party. Syed Larif Akram will join us from RJD. Avneesh Awasthi ji will join us as a political analyst and Abhinay Sharma will join us. You

[00:30] all are very welcome. Pooja ji, I will start with you and the question is very simple that till now the discussion was that there is a fight with the symbol by calling Dharmendra Pradhan the symbol. Now this is being called fighting the system.

[00:49] milestone who needed to be removed, in whose ministry 152 papers were leaked and the root of the system, the system which was rotting, the education system, for the

[01:01] last three years only the NEET paper was being leaked and in return of that lakhs of students had come on the streets, lakhs of students were protesting for so many days, were getting beaten with sticks, their heads were being

[01:13] and everyone, be it Delhi, Prayagraj, Nashik or Nagpur, had the same voice. Everyone had only one demand that Dharmendra Pradhan ji should go. As long as Dharmendra Pradhan ji is there, you cannot even talk about fundamental improvement in education. You

[01:28] remove the secretary. You can make it anti-official. But till the time there is no responsibility, till the time responsibility is not taken, till then the youth of this country was seeing that the political class has

[01:41] forgotten to take responsibility, they are talking about our reforms, they are talking about reforms in education but that is not happening, so I think this is a huge victory of the youth and this is only the victory of the youth because the way the youth

[01:54] remained engaged, the intensity, the passion, the zeal with which they remained engaged, which there are no resignations in NDA. Rajnath Singh ji used to say. The government which, out of arrogance, did not talk to the students for three months. The Prime Minister did

[02:10] not tweet a single tweet. I did not say anything that was on my mind. The that the foundation of power has been shaken. And no, no, it is the victory of the youth. It is a victory for the students. Pooja ji, no one is denying this. What I am saying is that you people feel that

[02:25] this is the opportunity for our government to come to power with the support of the youth. Their government should go. our government to come to power with the support of the youth. Their government should go. talk about it, because if the discussion here doesn't stop at Dharmendra Pradhan, it will also touch upon the

[02:39] fundamental fact that you have completely commercialized the education system, it will every third youth today is unemployed, it will also touch upon ethanol, the scam that is going on

[02:52] in that ministry, it will also touch upon Nirmala Sitharaman's arrogance, that the NEET paper leak is good, the youth have got another chance to prepare, but the another chance to prepare, but the

[03:08] also ask questions on this, I will come to the point that if this is the victory of the youth and they were not fighting to change the government, then why is this talk of changing the government happening, I will come to this, but Radhika Khera ji, the meeting is going on, I have been

[03:21] asking this question for two days continuously, this should have been done earlier, it is too late, the matter would not have progressed so much, such an atmosphere would not have been created, if the resignation had to happen, it would have happened earlier, perhaps this entire movement would not have started. Are

[03:38] you able to hear my voice, Rakesh ji? Constitution gives everyone the right to protest in democracy.

[03:50] If you are unhappy with any decision of the government elected by you, you We saw that in democracy. This is the beauty of my democracy. Ours is a government of the people, by the people, for the people. So if the students felt that something should be

[04:07] changed, then our government, their government, made that change. I don't think anyone has lost or the government has become like this. Yes, it is our duty. We always bow our heads before the public.

[04:22] When the Prime Minister of my country went to the House for the first time as Prime Minister. He bowed his head and placed it on the floor of our Parliament and bowed down to me. So we always bow before democracy. And this was spread before the 24th elections

[04:38] that the Constitution of our country is in danger. Today it was seen being torn apart and from the words of Pooja ji, who is the Congress spokesperson here, it was clearly proved spokesperson here, it was clearly proved that an attempt was being made to hijack the issue of children.

[04:50] that an attempt was being made to hijack the issue of children. Because there was demand from the children. There was a dialogue between the children and the government, that is why the government is sitting with the children, talks are going on and that session was over, but Rahul Gandhi and

[05:03] his spokespersons, who were thinking to further their political interests, thought that this is just the beginning and things will be done like this, and today you saw the video of Rahul Gandhi which was released, after that the kind of language he was using, and leave that aside, the

[05:15] press conference that was held after this from the Congress platform, in the same way, when the bills of the farmers' movement were withdrawn, such a press conference was held even then, NEET paper was leaked and NEET had to be conducted again. An atmosphere was being created,

[05:30] questions were being raised about the Education Minister and I was repeatedly asking that it was getting too late. It's getting very late. It's getting very late. No one was ready to agree and today finally the resignation had to be made and that too just before that meeting because the stand of CJP was that without

[05:43] this no talks would move forward. So you should have done this earlier, see, talks are held with everyone. Our first priority was to you want resignation, just resignation should happen and the matter should end, did you

[05:59] want resignation only? There are three demands, the children who are being found today want resignation, they want compensation for those families and that there should not be any case, but what is our responsibility as a government that this should not happen again, our main responsibility is

[06:15] that the matter should not stop with resignation, which the Prime Minister of my country and our government is saying for the first time because we have been seeing this continuously in the 70 years of

[06:37] within 5 years. So let me remind them of a history that during the 10 years of UPA government, more than 25 thousand children committed suicide, resignations took place due to paper leak but no session took place. Today my government has brought such strict laws.

[06:51] Today my government has brought such strict laws. Taking Pooja Pooja ji done one sh reply then acting is connected with us. I will go to him. language of the people who love the constitution and are committed to their duty, I say that you should have called Sanjeev Mukhiya in this panel and made him sit just

[07:05] say that you should have called Sanjeev Mukhiya in this panel and made him sit just leak of 2024 because the CBI had given him a clean chit just two days ago, so first we will improve the system, resignations keep happening until

[07:19] why won't you talk about improving the system, the kingpin of 2024, whom your government had said was the kingpin, who had ruined the student future of lakhs of children, the CBI has given him a charge sheet, he has given him a clean chit, he should have sat and had tea and samosas, I say that you should have called him in the panel,

[07:34] he too would have probably talked about the constitution, he too would have probably talked about the need to improve education, too would have probably talked about the need to improve education, 10 seconds, Rakesh ji, the knowledge that you are giving while sitting here,

[07:49] Madam, tell me that the UPA government did not speak among you more than 200 times, government did not speak among you more than 200 times, I don't want to do this

[08:08] More than 200 to 180-190 papers were leaked in the 10 years of UPA government. Just before our government, on an average two to two and a half thousand children used to commit suicide every year due to these paper leaks and this is not my data, this is on record NCRB data which was

[08:23] updated every year during their government. Let me tell you today that they have leaked those papers, be it AIIMS paper, Defence paper , 12th board paper or IIT paper. How many people were caught among them ? How many people were punished and

[08:38] how many people are still in jail because they took action. Just tell me the numbers and their names today. I will not say anything after this, you can go to the debate. So, not say anything after this, you can go to the debate. So, you talk about improving the name,

[08:53] you talk about improving the name, how much has it become, zero zero madam zero, you are sitting here and talking about the constitution, sitting here and talking about the constitution,

[09:10] this is what you had messaged in the video, that we will bring strict rules. Strict rules, but where are the strict rules? Sanjeev Mukhiya to you. Okay, I'll move on. Let me

[09:25] bring the remaining guests. Pooja ji, I am fine Radhika ji. Radhika ji, Radhika ji, please bring the rest of the guests. Saying one thing, saying one thing, okay Radhika ji. Radhika ji hold on. Saying one thing, there is Abhinay here too who is a teacher. And he will also

[09:40] agree with this. It is not that the paper leaks started after 2014. It was happening even after 2014. It is true that people voted for the government for that change that brother, you should fix this system. Pooja ji, this is exactly what you are saying, so

[09:55] You are confirming this also from that, madam. If you remember the 2011 paper leak, the paper was available for ₹ lakh in the Kanpur market. Let's delay the paper by two hours and send it to a new state to

[10:07] conduct the exam. Let's talk about resignation. Let us both talk to Sardar. Let us both talk to Sardar. Acting Acting Acting Finally this resignation has finally happened. Does this mean that the system will improve from here

[10:20] or a political fight will start from here to remove this Modi government? Whatever train is coming remove this Modi government? Whatever train is coming from here will 100% improve the system and it should also improve and even though the Modi government may have taken this decision under pressure, it has

[10:35] taken this decision under pressure, it has definitely shown that if the youth of the country wants that the resignation of Dharmendra Pradhan should be the beginning of changing the education system, then they have done that. I

[10:48] agree that he showed it very late. But Radhika ji is saying that papers were leaked even during the UPA government. Radhika ji herself was a part of that UPA government two and a half years ago. So our problem is that those people who used to leak the papers

[11:04] during the UPA government, those people who used to leak the papers during the Congress government, those Congress leaders who used to loot the country, all of them. So now you have brought that same leader into your party. Captain Amarinder Singh, Hemant Vishwa Sharma, Shubhendu Adhikari of TMC. That means you have continued that looting.

[11:19] Keep Radhika and Abhinay. Yes, this personal matter happened when you were in the opposition. Yes yes I am coming Radhika ji, let's finish the acting talk. this should not happen. Now that you are in power, you say that this used to happen earlier also.

[11:35] Forget what used to happen before. Earlier people did not say that India will develop in 2047. Now India's target has increased. Now India has to become a world leader. India's name has to be heard

[11:47] in the world. So in that situation, improvement in the education system is very important. And their leaders had said that brother, there are no resignations in our government. So, these dictatorial things that he was saying have been hurt. The

[12:01] democracy that we talk about, which they considered as elections, has become stronger. So stop saying this now. See, all the previous people come to their governments and a reply, Abhinay ji, Radhika, tell me,

[12:16] ah Rakesh ji, I do not need to ask or know about the character certificate and about myself and my history from that person who was standing on the stage of Rahul Gandhi and was flirting with him. This is a photo from a few days ago. What is my history from two and a half years ago

[12:30] ? If this is a teacher and he really cares about the country, then he should have stood right there and asked Rahul Gandhi that whenever there is atrocity on women in your house, in your party, be it Priyanka Chaturvedi, Radhika Khera, Ankita

[12:42] Dutta, they are innocent women, why did you not speak up then? But still, anti-women people and those who say this in our country and I think Abhinay Sharma ji is a Brahmin, he must be doing puja and was standing on the stage with that man whose

[12:58] party says that Sanatan Dharma is a disease. No, no, one, one, one, one, one, no, I am not debating on Sanatan today. Radhika ji, I am not debating on Sanatan and Hindu religion, we will discuss it, we will discuss it some

[13:13] other day. So, was it a Rahul Gandhi's stage in Dehradun? According to you,

[13:31] Abhinay Sharma committed a crime by going to Dehradun. raising your voice for the children and if the children are sitting there, then they are sitting at Jantar Mantar, right?

[13:43] Why are you sitting on Rahul Gandhi's stage? Rahul Gandhi did not go to Jantar Mantar even once. Did a photo of Rahul Gandhi appear at Jantar Mantar ? Abhinay Sharma should have taken Rahul Gandhi by the hand and told him to go to Jantar Mantar and stand with the children in their movement.

[13:56] Okay, I will take one reply and then I will take the reply of the next guest one by one. I had a separate conversation with you and then I had asked whether I am talking to a teacher or a leader. If you go to Rahul Gandhi's stage then these

[14:10] questions will arise. I had definitely spoken on paper leak. I want that his government should also decorate a stage and should know from people like us how paper leak is born. It is a good thing that we told the opposition

[14:26] how the paper gets leaked and they understood that this is hollowing out the country and as far as Jantar Mantar is concerned, I was there from the first day and even after the resignation, I am saying that I am bringing it, why did you not take Rahul by holding his hand, why did you not take him

[14:40] along, he goes by private jet [laughs], you bring him wrong, you also go by private jet, make him sit in your private jet, why did you not make him sit, you should have kept an eye on him. If there was accountability then I would have believed

[14:55] accountability then I would have believed that Abhinav Sharma is standing with the children and it is right to question the government. 15 seconds more acting then I turn to the rest of the guest. For 15 seconds, she is talking like a child, saying that I will go to Rahul Gandhi holding his hand [laughs].

[15:11] Rahul Gandhi has not been appointed by him or his party. Rahul Gandhi has been Rahul Gandhi has been they understand this? The same respect that you have for the Prime Minister, give the same respect to

[15:25] Rahul Gandhi, okay Manoj Yadav, okay now I will bring Manoj Yadav, Manoj Yadav, Manoj Yadav, then Niman Bhai, you are smiling a lot, I want to come to you, the country should see a little more of your smile,

[15:38] then I will come to you, seeing your words and your smile, Radhika also started smiling, Manoj Yadav ji, this is an opportunity that for the first time the government is seen under pressure, opportunity that for the first time the government is seen under pressure,

[15:58] if we look at Rajnath Singh as Home Minister, today as Defence Minister, who had quoted this and said that this is Modi government. There is no resignation in this government. But for the first time there was a resignation in this government and the resignation happened because the

[16:13] youth had come out on the streets. He had said revolution before resigning and whenever slogans of revolution are raised in any country and on any land and no one will

[16:25] worry about the sticks, rubber bullets or tear gas shells, then definitely the resignation is a resignation and governments also get removed. Many such examples have been seen in many countries. But it is a very good thing that at

[16:41] least the resignation of the person who was accused of running his department in an irresponsible manner was accepted by the Honourable Prime Minister, but let me Hmm, since yesterday I have been sitting in the debate and a

[16:56] song from a very old movie is being sung by BJP and the song is, by BJP and the song is, wherever you go, my shadow will be with you. That means, if the paper was leaked in the resume of Congress, then the paper will be leaked in our resume too.

[17:12] What definition is this? Which double engine government is this? What kind of new India is this that if the paper was leaked in the resume of Congress, then we also have full right to get the paper leaked. This, I think, was Failor's biggest point. Because

[17:29] think, was Failor's biggest point. Because make this country so much better. But wherever you go, my shadow will be with you. This choli does not look good with the daman. I have a small request to you.

[17:44] Give a lot of time to Congress and BJP. Please give it to us too brother. We are also continuously fighting the battle of all the youth. Now listen. Now listen, listen, listen. Listen, listen now. This won't work.

[17:58] Now listen, now that I have given time to Congress, you are facing problems. It is a very bad situation. You guys are just friends. They start fighting for time. So it does n't happen. Manoj Bhai, tell me one thing. Manoj Bhai, tell me one thing at a time. This was

[18:11] definitely a revolution of the youth. You people are not happy as if you have started a revolution. You people were at Jantar Mantar. You people made the government bow down. That is why I am asking that whatever you people could not do yourself, you feel that if you have done it then you should take the

[18:32] that we could not do it and young people, look, this call was from the CJP party and the call was that they want that the

[18:44] Education Minister Dharmendra Pradhan ji should be removed and all the more than 21 children who died and committed suicide should be compensated,

[18:56] keeping all these demands in mind, the Samajwadi Party has also made a party, go to the other guests, I will come later. If you or BJP feels, me say one line, say one line, say one line, let me say one line that if it was felt

[19:10] that Samajwadi Party should not get this opportunity, we should not be able to enter that movement, then we would have talked on the first day, the second day, in a week, in 10 days, when BJP gave us the opportunity, so let us go, Radhika, say it for 10 seconds, then if I

[19:25] talk about the opportunity, then BJP had given the opportunity in 1992 when Kalyan Singh Yadav Kalyan Singh ji had brought a bill in our government. Do you remember the Anti-Pooping Act and what happened to it? When given the opportunity to continue that bill, your leader Shri Mulayam Singh Yadav ji

[19:41] your leader Shri Mulayam Singh Yadav ji abolished it in 1993 and will send the sons and daughters of class 12 to jail. You will send children of class 10 and 12 to jail. We will blow away such black laws with the tip of our shoes like a football.

[19:57] You will send children of class 10 and class 12 to jail, daughters to jail Manoj Bhai wait for your turn Manoj Bhai Manoj Bhai wait for your turn if you will not send children of class 10 and 12 to jail then you will

[20:09] wait for your turn if you will not send children of class 10 and 12 to jail then you will and you will encourage and inculcate the habit of copying from the very beginning then what future will you prepare for them think about it yourself think about it yourself that you will not send them to jail it is okay for

[20:23] you hey what you read on the telepter is hey what you read on the telepter is okay but Manoj Bhai wait you had given the youth the Prime Minister in their hands

[20:42] three guests are still left I am coming go to everyone one by one Avneesh ji I am feeling everyone one by one Avneesh ji I am feeling so happy as if BJP did not protest, Samajwadi Party did it, Aam Aadmi Party did it,

[20:54] Ranka so I don't know what all things are being said about Deepak. Deepak.

[21:06] Khushi: I don't know how many are happy and how many are not. But how many are not. But one thing is that the political class of the country should also think about the way this movement took a turn. The

[21:22] political class should think about that. Manoj ji is sitting. Manoj ji, whatever his tone, speaks very logically. But tell me one thing, the kind of people who were there, does it approve of physical classes?

[21:36] If you feel that Narendra Modi is being abused today, then will other leaders not be abused? Everyone accepts the kind of abuses that were hurled and the kind of violence that took place there. abuses that were hurled and the kind of violence that took place there. Now Manoj ji also

[21:49] said that it was not a scam from Dharam Pradhan but it was his negligence. It was his responsibility to do it properly, so he had to resign. Now tell me, the people who came to this protest, who organised it and who threw stones and sharp

[22:04] tiles, are the policemen not someone's children? He's not someone's husband, is he? He's not someone's son, is he? What was his work? His job was to ensure that people did not reach inside the Parliament. He was given this responsibility.

[22:18] He fulfilled his responsibility. If we assume that this was not the first time that a this was not the first time that a march to Parliament had taken place. The Parliament Chalo March always march to Parliament had taken place. The Parliament Chalo March always happens. Whenever the Parliament session is going on,

[22:30] a person goes there till Patel Chowk. We submit a memorandum there. Five to seven people go inside there and go deep inside,

[22:43] This type of violence does not happen. This is not just a question for BJP or the government. The topic for their political class is whether you should be allowed to enter the Parliament. If he lets me in, yes I will definitely say one thing.

[23:01] change the regime and turn it into Nepal and Bangladesh. The slogans that were being raised there. He had just given up on this dream of his when the MLA of his party said that it would become Nepal and he would have to leave his home and run away. Manoj ji, speak for 15 seconds, then

[23:16] I will not say brother and after brother, again worship that Nepal and Bangladesh, 140 crore people of this country will not let this country become Nepal and Bangladesh, Rakesh ji, I want to say it clearly that neither I nor

[23:31] Samajwadi Party had any intention of provoking anyone, I am clearly saying this again and again, our MLA has definitely given a statement, we criticize it, not at all, we believe in this, Samajwadi Party believes in the democratic system.

[23:45] When so many children have come, Delhi and the government's allies do not know anything. The government does not know anything. The government has not made any arrangements. If the youth are coming then the government should have understood because we have to

[24:00] ? No, absolutely, who refused your request? Brother, your conversation is absolutely correct and I want to start from the beginning, Rakesh ji, who did Ravidas do criticized it, now what do I say to them,

[24:14] n't anyone criticize it so well, Manoj Yadav has criticized it, so should I make Ravidas Mehotra listen to it, I will move ahead, Akram sir, your party wrote on its social media handle that Dharmendra is gone, now it is Narendra's

[24:29] turn. Hey, his network went off as soon as he heard the question. Okay, you have come well in this question. Akram Bhai, your party wrote on social media that Dharmendra is not there, if you people feel that we could not defeat them. We were not able to do it. Someone

[24:43] bowed down. Thank you Rakesh ji. What you said is not ours. What do we understand by we ? What does we mean? I am saying this for you. I don't mean we. I said it for you.

[24:57] We are the entire country and the children, youth, women and farmers of this entire country are duplicity and hypocrisy of the government, you should know one thing that after some time, this will

[25:12] start and the people of their cabinet and their leaders will start saying that this was also a master stroke. You also withdrew the Land Possession Bill in 2016 and what was the master stroke then? So you keep licking the spit thrown again and again and there

[25:26] is no problem. You were sleeping with it in your ear all day long. Akram Bhai, what is this language? I am coming. Radhika, what is this language? What kind of language is this? You used these two words which you should not use on TV. She has started jumping so much. Right now Akram Bhai, I will

[25:40] not repeat what you said and what words you should not have said on TV. said and what words you should not have said on TV. yet and in the democracy of the country, governments will be

[25:52] changed only through elections. So stop dreaming this dream. Election is different and movement is different. You cannot say what is the role of our party and other

[26:04] parties and what is its role? Why not say it? Why not say it? Akram ji, why won't I say this? Why won't I say it brother? Why won't I say it? What is the role of your party in this movement? You made us bow down,

[26:21] not even a year has passed, from the House to the streets we are fighting, that struggle is visible, that struggle is visible brother, how are you firing bullets on the students, cowardly government, firing is going on, open fire is being done, who is responsible,

[26:35] you are filing a 30 year old case against the students, against the college going yours, Radhika, Radhika 30 seconds, then I, Niwal ji, am looking at this photo. In this photo,

[26:50] a man is standing between Rahul Gandhi and Priyanka Gandhi, Yogendra Yadav, who is when there is a meeting for the Parliament, as to what will be said in the House about the entire NDA alliance, he heads it. Even if RJD spokesperson is sitting here. I did

[27:06] not say this in between you sir, this anarchy, this anarchy, this anarchy, this anarchy, this anarchy, student Akram Bhai, Akram Bhai, I had tossed it to

[27:18] Radhika ji, I had told Radhika ji to reply to your point, reply to your point, many guests, there is a lot of time too, do not take tension today, everyone,

[27:34] first of all Nivan has not come to me yet. I still haven't gone to Niwan. Speak Radhika. Fodder thieves and broken thieves face great trouble when Yogendra Yadav's photo appears. Yogendra, why not, it is absolutely correct. You remember the children of the country

[27:49] when exams were held there, is very important. That's why these people are out. These people have stolen the future of the country. But Yogendra Yadav clearly said in his interview two and a half days ago that

[28:05] now governments will be changed from the streets. It will work like this and not through elections and not through Parliament. The same Yogendra Yadav who is responsible for this entire mess, Rakesh ji please control the poor thief,

[28:19] here also we are stealing time. What kind of method is this? What is this method Rakesh, come on one minute, one minute, one minute Akram Bhai, Akram Bhai, Akram Bhai, I am telling you again and again that if you are ever countering anyone, then say one or two lines and then

[28:33] shut up. The one who is speaking and who has the upper hand will reply to him after listening. Don't keep talking. Then that unnecessary comment will come. You will not like it. Then you will come. So stop. Speak Radhika. Abhinay Sir said that Rahul Gandhi is their

[28:47] chosen leader. Yogendra Yadav was in the middle of Rahul Gandhi. Yogendra Yadav is the think tank of Rahul Gandhi who is their chosen leader. He clearly said that now governments will run from the streets and not from the Parliament. Now elections will be held from the streets and not from Parliament. It

[29:12] teach this to their children now? Ok. Ok. There is Add them once again, call them and bring them to the panel. Then I will ask them about this conversation. Niwan Bhai came last of all. Okay,

[29:24] excuse me. The second conversation is that you had the biggest smile on your face. You also have the same feeling in your mind which Akram Bhai's party is writing.

[29:36] Look, we have nothing to do with his party. There is only one feeling in our mind that democracy has won today. We have been with the youth since the beginning. Standing behind the youth. Is in support of the demands of the youth. Today the demands of the youth have been fulfilled, so

[29:49] today is a very big day for us. Today democracy has won. And I you will like this very interesting data. And if we have the data then why did the BJP people have it, Rakesh ji, let me tell you. There

[30:03] is a hashtag Dharmendra Pradhan must resign. 100 million reels have been created on this hashtag on Instagram. There is a hashtag Modi must resign. More than 50 million reels have been

[30:15] resign. More than 50 million reels have been created on it. There is a hashtag, there is a hashtag, we are with students of India. 500 million reels have been made on this. Meaning 50 crore reels have been made in a country of 140 crore people. That is why he had to resign. Today the party which used to

[30:29] tell the youth that this is the B team of terrorists. Those who hit them on the head with sticks, those who tore their clothes, those who attacked them with pet guns. okay, let me stop you. JP Nadda is saying something. Perhaps the meeting that was going on has

[30:42] Nadda is saying something. Perhaps the meeting that was going on has ended.