I Will Sell Him This MacBook - WAN Show March 6, 2026

[00:14] WAN Show. We are coming to you live from the Threat Locker studio here at Zero Trust World. That's right, they've taken over the WAN Show, but they haven't taken over the topics and we've got a lot of great stuff to talk to you guys

[00:28] about this week. Of course, the big one was Apple dropping an absolute was Apple dropping an absolute bomb of many bombs of in kind of seriously, unironically incredible products this week. I don't know how

[00:45] pretty sure that by the end of this show, I can sell you a MacBook. show, I can sell you a MacBook. In other news, ratings, the I mean, what would I what would I call it? Incredibly influential and important

[01:00] it? Incredibly influential and important testing site spelled r t i n g s. I know, it's pronounced ratings. Don't worry about it. They have gone paywalled for some of the key data around TVs,

[01:16] um basically kind of a lot of things. So, we'll be talking about well, the bad stuff about that, but also the pressure that realistically they have got to be under in order to do this because we feel a lot of the same pressures. What

[01:30] else we got? Meta sends intimate videos and photos from Ray-Ban AI glasses to to human workers apparently in Kenya for some reason. So, uh

[01:42] nice. They they kind of tried to pixelate some things out and it didn't work so great apparently. And also, if that worries you along with everything else about privacy in in 2026, uh GrapheneOS is coming to Motorola phones

[01:55] in 2027. Does that does that seem like a problem? saying. >> Oh, good. that intro. >> Yeah, let's go.

[02:07] Do Do Does it work? Do we have the intro? You're going to You're going to cue me in?

[02:31] Threatlocker, who has done a full LAN takeover, along with our wrap partner dbrand. Okay, I got some dbrand that I can show off, as well as our laptop partner Razer. Brought these with us. And our chair partner Razer, who

[02:45] apparently we shipped Razer chairs all the way to that what happened? >> I don't think we did. Someone did. They Razer did? Yeah. That's crazy.

[02:59] >> [laughter] >> All right, cool. Why don't we jump right into our first topic, which is of course got to be the MacBook Neo. Okay, Apple

[03:11] dropped a bunch of cool stuff. Give me a second here, okay? Give me a second here, okay? The iPhone 17e looks pretty compelling. It now has MagSafe charging. That was a That was a major omission on the

[03:25] That was a major omission on the previous e. Yeah. Um I I honestly, I for me. Uh it's got a new processor. Very cool, Trey cool, couple hundred dollars cheaper than a regular 17. But

[03:38] realistically, I think if you were going to get an iPhone, you'd probably go for a full fat iPhone anyway, which I know you've been considering. >> I might go for the mid-tier one.

[03:50] >> okay, okay, okay. Yeah. Yeah, so that's the iPhone. But what I don't think this man has at any point in his life seriously considered is going MacBook.

[04:04] >> Literally never. They have a few new MacBooks. So, they've got new Pros with new chips. They've got an M5 MacBook Air that starts with 16 gigs of unified memory, 512 gigs of storage. Honestly, the new Pros and Airs

[04:18] in the context of the current NAND and DRAM shortage, are actually looking like the fact that there have been some pricing adjustments upward for the starting at that in some cases are only

[04:34] upward because the starting at has more base storage now, for instance. So, Apple managed to do this without making major changes to pricing. But the big one, the big one that everyone is talking about is the MacBook

[04:49] >> Practically nothing. >> Okay, good. I know it's 600 bucks. I know it's a MacBook. okay, okay. So, it's a mobile chip, right? It's a mobile chip. So, it uses the A18 Pro chip. So, this is not like Apple M series silicon.

[05:05] Yeah. But realistically, it's going to perform pretty darn well. It's got two cores that are going to be able to turbo quite aggressively. And then it's got I believe it's six total. So, I think it has another another four cores total.

[05:18] Guys, let me know in the chat if I've got the core count wrong. The point is, this thing is powerful enough that on a very recent experiences in everything from obviously, you know, doom scrolling on

[05:32] doing video editing because that's what people are doing on iPhones these days. Yeah. So, it's a six-core CPU, five-core GPU with a 16-core neural engine. Thank you very much, uh, Chronified over in chat. All right. It only has eight gigs

[05:46] your full and undivided attention cuz this is important. Only eight gigs of >> Non-upgradable as well. It is not only non-user upgradable, but it is non-user upgradable, but it is non-upgradable from the factory. Oh. And

[06:00] a big part of the reason for that is because of the way the A18 Pro is manufactured with the DRAM right on top. This package is she's packaged and they weren't going to do a new package design for this MacBook Neo. This is a first of

[06:16] its kind product. I mean, I don't when's the last time we saw a MacBook for under Has it People who've been following Apple for >> shopping spree. >> plastic MacBooks, was that a thing? I'm

[06:30] I'm not I'm not aware of anything. Someone says the 12-in one, I think. Okay. Okay, it only has two USB-C ports. >> That's not the end of the world. >> Only one of them is USB 3 with display

[06:44] capabilities. But Still not really the end of the world. A lot of people are just carrying dongles these days. I carry a dongle. The first MacBook that didn't have a type A port on it was

[06:57] >> 10 and 1/2 years ago. It's the dongle machine. >> a long time ago. Long time ago. There's no backlit keyboard. >> laptop doesn't have a backlit keyboard and it's way more expensive.

[07:09] >> The base model has no Touch ID. Not this one. This one does. >> That's a $100 upcharge for Touch ID. Okay. But hear me out. Let me make Let me make my pitch.

[07:22] display. It gets the same magic keyboard that as far as we can tell as far as we can tell, it gets a magic keyboard just like Apple's other mobile Macs. It doesn't have a gigantic

[07:37] trackpad, but it has a very decent size trackpad. And I mean, if you've used a Mac, have you used a Mac? Okay, so you know Apple trackpads They're they're outstanding. I'm not concerned about the trackpad. 1080p

[07:51] Okay, so it's got like a actually freaking decent webcam, and you know that the image quality is going to be good because the A18 Pro, well, that's the same chip that's going to drive an iPhone camera. Man, people are

[08:04] keep people keep posting like no haptic trackpad, no backlit keyboard. I'm like, you guys, this is $600 laptop. I'm not expecting any of that stuff. >> $600 laptop, aluminum chassis.

[08:17] Wow. Uh see? I assumed that it would be >> it would have been plastic. >> The second I saw it. I was like, they've got to cheap but but that's what Apple is so good about is

[08:31] the surfaces that you interact with. So, you got a decent display. You've got a decent webcam, keyboard, trackpad. They still manage to have dual speakers with their spatial spatial audio because it's all it's all processing. Apple's a

[08:46] software company at the end of the day, and they make some pretty incredible hardware these days, but software is where they specialize. That's where they come from. So, with all of that in mind,

[08:59] Because I don't think you would go macOS. Oh. But I didn't say that I was going to >> Oh. She's realizing He's realizing.

[09:14] Okay. No, I thought you were going in a different direction. The next time I different direction. The next time I know that you have some family members that are way overdue for a laptop. >> Unironically, I've been thinking about

[09:26] literally this laptop for that person. Yeah. I know I know that, you know, in the future, there could be you know, family members that are younger in your family. Like you've got some you've got

[09:40] about your family tree, but I know there details. >> There are younger people. Yep. If you were looking for a machine for something for someone like that, for one

[09:53] >> It could really fit. Yeah. I think this is the one. Yep. It comes in >> [laughter] >> It has some fun colors. I think the Um I feel like the yellow might be the one

[10:07] to get, actually. It's pretty sweet. >> And it's Apple. So you know that this thing is going to get software support. >> going to last for freaking ever. >> Battery's probably going to be quite good. Oh, dude, the battery is only I

[10:20] think 36 watt hours or something like that. Because it runs a mobile chip. >> to last for freaking ever. It's still got really solid sort of longevity ratings, but because the capacity is so small, Just charging is

[10:35] battery bank and just top it right up. You like you could operate this thing away from the wall for so flipping long. Yeah. Dude, I I've For me, just the the macOS experience,

[10:51] iOS in general, all this It just feels My brain doesn't like it. that. I get it. There are other people like my my mom, I've told this story a bunch of times. She was on an Android phone for years and struggled for years.

[11:05] She got an iPhone and within 24 hours, like she was just way better with the iPhone than she ever was with the Android phone. And she never used like Apple devices before that. That wasn't like a familiarity thing.

[11:18] it's very interesting device. >> And I've seen a lot of people in the comments on our Apple announcement video that were all like, "But you could get this Acer that has a dedicated GPU and

[11:32] it's this and it's this and it's this and I'm like bro, you don't understand. That Acer is going to have support dropped for it in in no amount of time. >> It's probably running hot. Windows 12 is

[11:45] what shaping up to be an AI-first operating system. So, in terms of software updates, you can make a pretty strong argument that Apple has fudged some stuff when it comes to macOS. But, like when

[11:59] the bar is the bar is at the bottom of the Mariana's Trench at this point. >> a potentially surprising take? Sure. >> at this point, I would rather go with this laptop with the OS that it ships with than a Windows 12 laptop. And

[12:14] >> seen Windows 12 yet, we haven't seen anything to indicate it would be anything good. And the thing is, with the same argument that I gave for like, "I'm going to run Arch on my laptop." I bet you I could run macOS just fine. Oh,

[12:28] it make? >> into the laptop screen looks different. It's the exact same argument. So, honestly, on a laptop it on a laptop that I'm predominantly using for work, it would probably just be fine.

[12:42] >> And there's things that Apple does really, really well. One of them is I wouldn't expect to have any stupid Wi-Fi connectivity issues on any stupid Wi-Fi connectivity issues on my MacBook Neo. Whereas, I was using

[12:55] until very recently, I was daily-ing an HP EliteBook with um I was going to say laptop. >> What's its uh what what's its nuts? The Strix Halo with AMD's like top-of-the-line mobile chipset. Dude, I

[13:09] thing. So, I would half the time I rebooted it, it was because it sleep bugged and would just like refuse to wake up. And the other because I couldn't connect to Wi-Fi and transfer any data.

[13:23] >> It's like MediaTek chip or something? Yeah. Yeah, because of AMD's partnership with them. Now, I I could have cracked it open. I didn't actually see if it there was a replaceable card, but at that kind of a price, it's like a $4,000

[13:35] machine. I should not have to do that. Period. And these days, how often are Uh um on thin and lights, it's becoming less common, which is really frustrating. So,

[13:47] that's my pitch. I think in the next several years, there is a solid like 50% several years, there is a solid like 50% chance that you will buy a MacBook Neo. something that I find really interesting is like I'm looking I'm on their store

[14:01] share it or not, but I'm on their store right now and I'm looking at the lineup side by side of their their like previously cheap laptop, the MacBook it's Apple, and their newly cheap MacBook, the the

[14:16] Yeah. Like that are a lot more compelling. >> chip is wicked. storage, way more RAM, you get Thunderbolt, like there's stuff But you

[14:32] point. >> Yeah. And for a lot of people, they just really need a browser. Uh-huh. Okay, did you You didn't watch our video, right? Yeah, okay. So, one of the things that I said in the video was you can look at

[14:46] it's manufactured e-waste. It's got 8 gigs of RAM in 2026." But hear me out. Is it not manufactured e-waste to have people who are just going to >> [snorts] >> and writing Google Docs

[15:02] loaded up with a whole bunch of RAM? Wouldn't it be better if we saved that RAM for the precious AI data centers that need it so much more than us that need it so much more than us consumers do? As a as a macOS igno-

[15:15] consumers do? As a as a macOS igno- >> /s For the love of God, /s. Whoever's >> know, dude. There was a clip that out of context. >> people nodding during that, I swear. Uh the

[15:27] Uh the How far does 8 gigs run you with Mac OS? A little better. A little better. >> better. They They do support some memory compression. If you are a tab monster, you're still going to run up against it.

[15:39] >> Yeah. You will. You will. But to save like 600 bucks, it might be worth >> If you're mostly browsing on Facebook Marketplace or, you know, replying to always been meaning to write, I don't think it has to be an obstacle. Yeah.

[15:56] I don't think you need to be an obstacle for our very special guest who's going to be coming on to the show to talk about a zero trust world. about applauding and then they just didn't and then it got really awkward.

[16:12] It was slightly awkward. I'm not going to lie. Hey, welcome. >> Hello. Somebody just left their laptop wide open in front of me. This is Rob, the uh okay, that is a very good thing for you to notice and for us to give him

[16:25] a little, you know, one of these for. Uh Rob is the chief product officer or sorry, excuse me, chief podcast officer for ThreatLocker who took over the show little bit about zero trust world. You guys are right in the middle of it and

[16:39] you talk, but this is the co-hosting with me experience. Really? I just kind to Yeah, just like that. You got to just jump right in. appreciate you having us on. Uh want to talk a little bit about

[16:52] what's been the huge news at Zero Trust World this year other than, you know, World this year other than, you know, the chief technical officer of uh of a laptop on the desk. >> Completely unlocked. Does it have

[17:04] ThreatLocker [laughter] on it. Touché. Okay, you're fine. You're fine. Got him. Got him. Yeah, nice. So, what have you guys been up to? Um a lot of shaking shaking babies and kissing hands. Um,

[17:18] just basically pounding the flesh, talking to people, meeting people, doing a bit of talking, uh, doing a bit of podcasting, >> Yeah, why don't you tell us about that? Um, new products are awesome. Um, so

[17:34] they fundamentally two parts. So, we've got zero trust network access and we've got zero trust cloud access. Uh, start with the second, I suppose. Zero back and I'm going to have you tell us about the concept of zero trust. We've

[17:47] before, but I'm sure we have some new viewers this week. Um, I mean, you can sum it up really simply, which is to Well, in my mind, it's to deny by default. Um, you think about cybersecurity for the last 20 years.

[18:01] same way, which is to allow everything except those things we know to be bad. Uh, the mechanism by which that was done antivirus with definitions and, you know, keeping definitions up to date

[18:15] >> Then we started to recognize the behavior of this software. We started to proactively into EDR territory. But, I mean, fundamentally, they still allowed everything to happen except bad stuff. Right. Um, the idea

[18:28] being you have to detect and respond. But, I mean, fundamentally, detection assumes, well, it is breach because something bad has gone into the environment, something bad is running in the environment, and you're hoping that

[18:40] whatever tool it is you're using is going to recognize [snorts] it. I mean, UAC will save us all. >> UAC will not save us all. >> It will not save us all. And you would be amazed. I have spoken to people who

[18:53] think that I've taken away admin rights from my users, we're not going to have to worry about ransomware. I'm like, you do realize that anyone can run ransomware, don't you? Oh. So, yeah, it's a common

[19:05] us all. Okay, so now tell us about the new zero Okay, so now tell us about the new zero trust products. Sure. So, um, I will both I'll I'll sort of mention the other thing. So,

[19:17] to sort of finish the thought about zero trust. Deny by default is one way of looking at it. Assume breach is another way of looking at it. Um it's effectively about controls rather than making decisions

[19:30] what's good or bad. We're about applying controls, whether those controls be default from running. So, can't malware can't run, ransomware can't run. But also good things other things that could be misused are going to be blocked from

[19:45] Um we extend it and that's the one place where ThreatLocker excels is we extend it's not just about what can run or what can't run. Although that is important running is almost equally important. Right. So, things like PowerShell

[20:00] >> Yeah. it is so powerful. >> powerful. It's right in the name. >> much It is literally right in the name. Don't worry about it. It's a thing. >> Uh yeah, you can run remote code. You

[20:13] can download next to you payloads. You can exfiltrate data. You can >> Pretty much. >> Yeah. So, and it's on every Windows machine. So, if you're an attacker, it makes sense to use it. But the way to

[20:26] stop it from being weaponized is to say, "Well, look, it can run, but it can't internet. So, it can't run remote code. It can't exfiltrate your data. It can't download payloads." Um and we apply the same concept to network access as well.

[20:39] So, basically same principle, deny permit by exception. Um so, you're allowing those things that need to connect to stuff to connect to stuff and blocking everything else. So, it stops, you know, compromised VPNs or

[20:52] vulnerabilities in firewalls or somebody spinning up a VM on a machine and trying >> All those things. And again, you'll notice everything I've mentioned so far, none of it requires decisions on good and bad. All of it is just purely around

[21:06] controls. So, and there's a bunch more stuff we do network control, we've got patch management, we've got it it's an entire zero trust platform. Now, the new stuff. Yeah. The sexy

[21:18] stuff. Uh the stuff everybody is going to want to buy like yesterday. Um zero trust cloud access. So, the idea being that MFA is good. Yeah, it is. >> say MFA is right. People should use MFA.

[21:32] MFA is not a silver bullet. MFA can be bypassed. Oh, we know all about that. >> We we had our channel stolen by a like a session cookie hijack once. >> So, they didn't even need to use our MFA. Well, you need our new product in

[21:47] that case. Um I also am painfully aware of this because I spent many, many hours at not last year's zero trust world, the one before that, where we used evil jinx and Wi-Fi pineapple to basically sniff

[22:01] credentials and cookies. Right. >> And it showed that while MFA is great, MFA is not effective all the time. >> Nope. And can be bypassed. So, So, what It basically routes all try So, the likes of Office 365 for example, or

[22:16] Google, or Salesforce, or any Sure. >> cloud service you care to mention, allows you to limit access by IP address. So, by default, the entire Right. >> Now, a lot of people will use

[22:30] conditional access, but they'll do say conditional access we're here in addresses." That's fine, but America still has a lot of IP addresses. >> Yeah, and you could just route through

[22:43] through a data center or a random infected machine. infected machine. Um last year we took a stab at what we basically the idea was that I'd have an app on my phone, I've got a threat lock

[22:58] region running on my machine. I I gather all those IP addresses, and then I can add them to a named location in Office 365, for example, and apply conditional access based on that. So, we've gone from all the IP addresses to an entire

[23:10] country's IP addresses to 3 or 4,000 maybe in a reasonable size organization IP addresses. Um that was great except Microsoft. all the IP addresses, we'd update upload them to Microsoft, and Microsoft would

[23:25] take their sweet ass time updating conditional access policies. Right. So, that was a great idea. It was well executed, I thought, on our side, but then when Microsoft entered the room, it basically all went to Am I allowed to

[23:38] curse on this? You can say it went to pot. It went to pot. So, [laughter] we went back to the drawing board and said, "Well, what's the other way we can do this? How can we stop businesses from

[23:50] Right. >> people who shouldn't have access to session hijacking. >> hijacking, etc. >> hijacking, etc. >> Okay. So, basically, it is a way of

[24:02] routing traffic through us. So, instead of thousands of IP addresses or millions of IP addresses, it's one IP address. So, in your Office 365, in your G Suite, in your Salesforce, you basically can just allow one IP address to connect to

[24:16] >> And that way you guys have the nimbleness for us to go, "Okay, here's our ranges. Make sure this is updated so our people can access their stuff." It's >> Microsoft or Google or whoever, any of the slow-moving giants, they just don't

[24:30] >> to update anything. It's literally just an address is all that needs to be uncomfortable. I know you guys sponsored the show today and everything, but I >> Try me. You say zero trust, but it sounds like I

[24:42] need to trust you. It's a tiny bit of trust. Okay. Okay. Um no, the the phrase time. It is somewhat of a misnomer. I mean, look, the fact of the matter is zero trust means computer turned off, locked in a vault, never connected to

[24:58] >> That is fundamentally zero trust. That is not practical. but you're not going to get a lot of work done. done, and businesses are going to go into a hole. So, that's kind of

[25:10] Tiny little bit of trust. >> Tiny little bit of trust. Now, my second question then is, never mind the trust. Let's say I trust you, but it sounds like there's a single point of failure for access to all of my cloud services

[25:25] if your server goes down. So, what have you guys done to build resiliency into this? Redundancy. It's not one server, it's multiple servers. In fact, it's four servers basically for each organization or each company that's

[25:37] using it. So, there's no single point of failure. It is multiple. And that's the that's the biggest launch this year then. It depends on how you look at it. That is the one with the potential biggest reach because that is where the

[25:50] biggest problem lies. More organizations and most organizations need help. They need more than just MFA. The zero trust network access comes from a unbelievably common question asked to us

[26:03] we listen to customers' feedback. I mean, zero trust world, apart from all the baby shaking and hand kissing and all that stuff, um one of the best parts about it is we get to hear customers

[26:16] both good things, but probably more >> Sure. We're running up against time a little bit. So, give me the short Windows Firewall. >> Because you don't want to be opening

[26:28] to the internet are bad. They're compromised credential or a vulnerability in the firewall away from >> So, in the same way, are we routing everything through you guys then?

[26:41] Effectively, yeah. Both sides, effectively. So, you have a resource in your users on the road, you basically just publish that. It's not published on that you say should be able to connect to that will connect to each other via

[26:56] Very cool. Well, hey, you know what? It's really nice to meet you. We did. There's somebody who's probably watching And it's going to break his heart that I'm sitting here talking to you. Oh,

[27:11] >> Hi Ben. Hi Ben. Okay, that's it. All right, thank you. Thank you very much. All right, take care, man. Cheers. All right, that was Rob, the chief product officer for Threat Locker, who sponsored the entire LAN show today. Now

[27:24] Luke's back. Yeah, thank you. Thank you very much. That was absolutely awesome. topic. Mr. Luke, do you want to talk about Linux misadventures, or do you want to talk about ratings going paywall? So I So I left my laptop open

[27:39] and he left his badge on the desk. Yeah, ratings.com [laughter] changes their membership program, places tests behind paywall. Sort of. Ratings.rtings.com has announced substantial change to

[27:52] their website, citing a loss of organic search traffic, similarly to how we've been talking about the lab site. Seeing their numbers actually the chart looks very similar. The numbers are a

[28:05] the graph looks very similar. >> Yeah, where everything was going like getting referrals from Google search, and then all of a sudden AI summary starts scraping all of your data, and just presenting it directly to the user.

[28:19] just presenting it directly to the user. >> up, the clicks go down. Um yeah, they So scraping the website and using the results without attribution. The website provide them with the funds to continue their testing across a growing number of

[28:35] categories, and they are like constantly adding new things. It's awesome. Um ratings previous premium tier called insider access limited readers to not Okay, the the the subscribers insider access

[28:49] weren't limited. The the non-subscribers were limited to 10 individual product articles per month, but allowed you to see the full test results and scores and >> Of those 10? Yes. The program also provided early access to product The

[29:02] program itself provided early access to product reviews and allowed users to provide input and develop into developing testing categories and kind of like vote on what things you wanted them to review. It's actually very cool

[29:14] system. Uh the new membership it unlocks test results and scores for paying Unlocks test This is uh Yeah, because free users can no longer see individual product scores, individual test results, or individual

[29:28] >> Unless you're a paying subscriber. >> Unless you are a paying subscriber. Um free users can still see ratings best in categories lists, which as far as my understanding goes is like where a vast majority of their their traffic is. So

[29:41] necessarily change that part of it. >> Yeah. Uh the overall summaries they can see as well as subcategory summaries on product pages. Um Uh for example, how a headphone performs

[29:54] for travel, office work, wired gaming, audio reproduction accuracy, stuff like that. And educational articles like their TV burning test ANC explainer and Wi-Fi 7 multi-link operation articles, which are very cool. Um

[30:07] >> The the problem is the the the like new bit Sorry, I'm I'm not sure where this is, but I swear it was in here earlier. The the new bit just riffing um is that some of the the the like graphs will be blurred out and that stuff. Yeah. Yeah,

[30:21] and and even like the numbers. Like a lot is going to be blurred out. And I'm going to I'm going to get out ahead of this one here and I'm going to I'm going to throw in my my hot take. I see a lot of people really upset about this.

[30:34] >> reality. This is where we're at. >> Um I have I have absolutely no negative sentiment whatsoever towards ratings over this move. >> No. No, this is

[30:49] And if you have any negativity towards ratings for what they're doing right now, you've got to point it at the right place. I feel like this is what we were kind of talking about when we did that video recently on LTT and we had that

[31:01] >> you show my screen? >> about Be angry, but be angry at the right people, you know? By all means, you know, be angry about affordability issues in tech. Be angry that a site like ratings

[31:17] will not show you the rating of a product anymore. But don't be angry at ratings. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Be angry at the AI giants.

[31:30] Be angry at the AI giants that are scraping, that are stealing the hard work that real actual human people with blood flowing through their veins are doing to test this stuff Yeah. >> and just putting it in an AI summary and

[31:46] profiting off of it, benefiting from it, and not paying for it. And I know I don't have to tell you guys be mad about AI. But seriously, be mad about AI because whether it's ratings.com or whether it's

[32:01] whether it's ratings.com or whether it's HouseFresh, um that's that um Yep. >> that that air purifier test site that has really struggled with a bunch of issues. We did a great video um a little while back.

[32:13] about, you know, everything that they've gone through with respect to manufacturers trying to uh make their lives really difficult as well as AI summaries coming in and basically just nuking their source of revenue and

[32:27] nuking their source of revenue and stealing their testing. Um Our discussion question is what does this mean for labs? Because that was our goal was to do kind of

[32:41] it was going to take time. It's taken longer than we want, but we knew it was going to take time and have a rating style product page but more for like IT tech, you know, GPUs, CPUs, that sort of thing. Um every component in a computer

[32:55] >> What are we supposed to do in this environment? >> that we had was okay, there there written articles and people are less Therefore, traffic will not be super high when we first started the lab site.

[33:09] These AI scrapers to this degree didn't exist when we first started trying to do the lab site. So, now it's I don't know. It's a difficult pivot. I my my heart goes out to the ratings team. Hopefully this works for them. Um this the five I

[33:25] >> it will work? I and look what And and look, if if we say yes, we think it will work and you see any value in it whatsoever, you should go subscribe and be part of that. And if we say no, we

[33:38] don't think it will work and you can spare a little bit of pocket change, subscribe anyway. Prove us wrong. Make us wrong. So, whatever he says, they're doing great work over there. >> I think They're Canadian bros, by the

[33:54] >> really really hope they make it. I am keeping in mind though that I'm trying to be as objective as possible. I think this will work but with a pretty big and bold asterisk on the end of it. Yeah. Of like I don't think they're

[34:09] I don't know. I really hope they do, genuinely, but I don't feel like this is going to lead to the growth or the good sustainment that they probably need and I think it's going to hurt for a

[34:21] Um and I think the ratings that we see feel a little different than the ratings we see now. But I would so love to be wrong. Yeah. would be so awesome.

[34:35] Um I don't think it's going to work. But I understand why they're doing it. And if I was in their shoes, then gosh And if I was in their shoes, then gosh darn it, I would try. Yeah, oh totally.

[34:49] >> Because what they're doing is important. But what I worry about is that it's going to take too long for people to realize how important it is. They

[35:01] fact that you can still get their best of pages order. You don't have the scores, but honestly, dude, like I'm looking at it going, this isn't going to stop AI bots

[35:15] from scraping them. No. They'll buy a subscription for a few bucks, scrape Like, I'm just Yeah. >> I feel like quality data and quality information is just kind of doomed.

[35:28] goes the whole way. They just search it and stop. want. It's going to keep happening. It doesn't There's no way you're going to get the zeitgeist twisted on that.

[35:40] One question in here, why don't we use number scores for reviews? years ago I thought it was an oversimplification and that people need take. Was I right?

[35:56] Was I right? Yes. Does that matter? No. Because not having numbers or editor's choice award or gold, silver, bronze award Makes websites like unusable. significantly harmed our ability to communicate in the

[36:14] way that people want to be communicated to. Yeah. And sometimes it's really hard differentiate between these two things that are like basically equal? So we we also don't have experience with it. But yeah, in a web format, everyone

[36:28] click on the one at the top and You gadget guy says so every game in the world being at three out of five is wrong {slash} S. Yeah, like I I've wrong {slash} S. Yeah, like I I've always fundamentally disagreed with

[36:42] just summarizing something as complex, especially as a game. Oh my god, a game in just one number. It's It's ludicrous. And yet I find myself doing it sometimes. In fact, no, I think I did it today.

[36:57] Who was I talking to that I was like okay, tell me what are how much you like this out of 10? I think I think I did that to someone have no idea. >> Okay, I don't remember because because

[37:11] that's what we want. Sometimes we don't want a long explanation, we just want pointed out in the past like they're expecting that I or we or whoever would have some amount of animosity to ratings because they, you know, they have a

[37:25] That's like our main crossover, keyboards and mice. Um in terms of in >> Bearing any kind of ill will or having any kind of animosity toward anyone else who's trying to test and provide valuable information to consumers

[37:41] >> is a is is like borderline like villain behavior, quite frankly. >> And and like it's it it also, I think People need more sources of information,

[37:54] >> ones, too. >> consolidating media landscape. >> part of the every single time we ever talk about this topic, we say, you know, check multiple reviews, check multiple perspectives. This is a valuable part of

[38:09] that pie. If you manage to develop like a weird hate-boner over someone else trying to do product testing, then you might be the problem. Um Yeah, so >> Not going to name anyone. Good luck,

[38:21] well. Genuinely. >> They they're still keeping the YouTube channel open and pumping and there's no real change there. So hopefully that part of the announcement was a YouTube video.

[38:35] Um, pretty good YouTube video. So hopefully that goes well. >> [snorts] >> All right. We don't have a ton of time today. So why don't we jump into Linux challenge updates.

[38:48] Linux challenge updates. >> Yeah. I shared a file with myself. Um, naturally, even though part one is not even out on YouTube yet, it is out about that later. Uh, I did see all of your comments that

[39:03] I was a fool. You fool. You've chosen Pop!_OS. After everything that happened Um I'm not going to be gaslit on this. What happened last time was that Pop!_OS was like the flavor du jour

[39:20] and I went with it because it was the flavor du jour, especially if you were >> recommended a lot by them. Okay. The issue that I had with it was

[39:32] >> [snorts] >> blamed on me super hard and as I've talked about in the past already, there was absolutely an element of user error. was absolutely an element of user error. Absolutely. There also was an element of

[39:44] random bizarre bug. >> Crazy timing. >> No user should have ever seen. And even after that came to light. So right out after that came to light. So right out of the gate, I was blamed hard for 100%

[39:57] and even after the bug came to light, the presentation to me across like the the presentation to me across like the entire internet was what an idiot. Pop!_OS is goated. How could he have managed to screw this up?

[40:11] Pop!_OS, I didn't have like a bunch of problems with Pop!_OS. I had one problem that was attributed to a bug. Weren't you like out of there in like an hour? Yeah. I used Manjaro. Yeah, for like the whole challenge, right? So so there's

[40:25] like there's like deep deep threads discussing how I could have possibly gone Pop! OS after last time. When what actually happened last time was A, I didn't go Pop! OS, and B, the one issue that I had with it was blamed 100% on

[40:39] The third part of the narrative that I'm not going to allow to happen here is that how could he possibly choose it? Nobody recommends Pop! OS anymore. Uh yes. Yes, they do. As you guys will see in

[40:54] the video, whether it's listicles, whether it's asking an AI, I I actually did something after last LAN show, um and Linus was there. I could probably bring it up right now, but I asked my ChatGPT,

[41:08] um like with what you know about me, and remove the fact that you know which memory for this. From what you know about me, which which distro should I use? Um and it it gave a top three, and Pop!

[41:22] OS was in there. And and you can go yeah, well, AIs are stupid. They just like hallucinate that it's good or No, AIs are trained on the web at large. So if you're going to have a little head cannon narrative that

[41:34] nobody recommends Pop! OS, lose it. Just lose it. Go be part of the solution. Write a really great article on top Linux distros and get some good SEO, and be part of the solution. Otherwise,

[41:47] you're not really doing anything other than just like making noise. Yeah, its recommendations were number one for me was openSUSE Tumbleweed Tumbleweed. Fedora Workstation was number two, and Arch was

[42:00] number three. Now, let's have >> remember I'm going to play games, and it still did openSUSE number one. Still did Fedora number two, and did Pop! OS number three. Now, let's have some fun. Let's have some fun, because

[42:12] obviously even before seeing any feedback on my choice of Pop!_OS, I I man, uh sorry. That's that's another driving me crazy. How could he use that cosmic desktop environment that's like

[42:26] Dude, when I go to their website and I download LTS and it doesn't mention anywhere that it's in alpha or beta, also it isn't. It's v1.something. that. I don't If I download an LTS, that's

[42:43] that's not on me. That's on System76 at that point if it's not good. No. No, I'm not I No. Uh but anyway, So before anyone even was like why do you choose Pop!_OS? Of course, I was the

[42:57] first one asking, man, why did I choose Pop!_OS anymore? I seem to be just cursed with Pop!_OS because you got to remember for me, than my issues with Pop!_OS were clearly user error.

[43:10] So, I was already exploring other distros and guess what, Luke? It turns out the curse carries over. Do you want to see? I spent one I spent one evening. I was probably at it for

[43:23] about 2 and 1/2 hours in between work and going to our our badminton night. And uh Dan, can you throw up uh can you throw up my system here? um >> fascinating.

[43:36] hours fixing anything. home theater system >> time. because um I actually like just Dan. I wanted to do my home theater PC because I like just had to do some

[43:52] tomfoolery with my old Harmony remote and I like got it one button go set up again, which required a combination of CEC and infrared. Um Just just yeah. And I uh

[44:08] machine working. And I also it was a great opportunity because now that I've given up on running Pop!_OS on everything already, I was like, "Okay, Bazite." Sure. >> And Bazite has an Nvidia build. Yeah.

[44:20] So, theoretically, it should be fine. Also, the other machine that I wanted to do was because I was already a week into the challenge and I, uh, >> [clears throat] >> hadn't done my work laptop yet, which is

[44:32] kind of a hack because that's the system that I use 97% of the time. So, I was like, "Okay, I really need to get Linux on my work So, I was working on both of those. All right. Um, Dan, go ahead and hit me.

[44:49] Okay, [clears throat] so this is me kind of wrapping up. Okay. Do your thing. Thank you, Logan. >> Blah, blah, blah, he's talking. He's doing talking things. I don't even know

[45:03] if this is going to be part of a video at this point. I need to go. It's badminton night. Okay. Here's my systems. That's Bazite on the left.

[45:16] >> [laughter] >> How? And that's Kubuntu on the right. [laughter] Nothing. Luke,

[45:28] Nothing. Luke, I recorded I recorded everything I did. I recorded everything I did. I am literally, quite literally, no other word for it,

[45:41] >> I It's okay. So, for a little bit of contrast for mine, since the the video that released, uh, nothing has happened negative on my system literally at all. I I still have I I was surprised I mentioned it in the

[45:54] video, but I still have the problem where when I restart my computer, I have detect in anything. That might be solvable somehow. I've put zero minutes into trying to solve that. Everything else is working great. I was on my work

[46:07] laptop in a meeting and I had Windows on it because I had to prove to Lenovo that Windows wasn't the reason why my laptop is had constant errors ever since I got Um and I did, so I didn't need Windows on it anymore. And I was pressing the

[46:21] up, but I couldn't interact with the search in the start menu at all. It wouldn't work no matter what I did. And I crashed out in the meeting and just like live installed Mint and it has been flawless. The only thing I did, I

[46:35] installed Mint, switched it to Nvidia drivers, which like menu that comes up that's like, "Let's get started." And there's a driver Nvidia, and it just downloads it and it's done. So like

[46:51] distro thing I think is a little oversold sometimes. Yeah. >> In my experience at least. And then uh on the flight over here, Slay the Spire on the flight over here, Slay the Spire 2 launched yesterday morning. Just So

[47:04] no, like it it came out into early access yesterday morning. It has had no time for anyone to like optimize it or anything. I downloaded it, ran it, instantly worked, zero issues. I Bluetooth my headphones to the laptop in

[47:17] >> you. Happy for you. >> I'm so happy for you, Luke. >> I had just less problems with it than Windows. So the Basilisk system, uh rebooting did not fix that cuz I kind of assumed that would be it. Also, it's

[47:30] surprisingly functional I do I do find >> Like it'll go to sleep after a while. it'll wake from [laughter] sleep and look exactly like what you saw. That's >> very installed. That's so crazy. And then the Kubuntu system that was on the

[47:45] right was like that. Just with the black screen with the Kubuntu logo for I think it was probably a solid 10 or 15 minutes before I had to leave. And then I didn't

[47:58] badminton. I came back to it in the morning and I am now Kubuntu built. Oh, this is okay. However, Interesting. fun. I'm going to go ahead and

[48:14] click the not start menu and I'm going to restart my system. Yes, I mean now. Okay. I have noticed it won't really prompt Um but

[48:27] after you install I'd maybe give it a a restart or two. Oh, I've restarted a few times. No, I'm not I'm not I'm more talking to them. I to help solve your [laughter] curse. Yeah. It's It's dude, it's wild. Yeah.

[48:41] It's wild. I don't know. Okay, wait for it. Oh. Hold on, it didn't do it. Hey, progress. >> Let's go. >> I rebooted this system, it's prompted

[48:53] environment or do you want to install? Even though and I I have this on camera, believe me. I've got proof. Even though there's no installation installation media installed in it and the operating

[49:06] system is installed. Okay, I'm just going to I'm going to enter my I'm going to see if it does it after that. Yep, there it is.

[49:19] That's funky. You don't have installation media in anymore? Nope. camera. Oh, I can show you on Yeah, sure, there you go. So, every time I

[49:31] I get the try Kubuntu like like like a booting like a live boot environment or install Kubuntu and then if I click install it just just dumps me on my desktop.

[49:45] it just just dumps me on my desktop. Yep. I'm [laughter] like, why? And you people are going to ask me. People always ask me. They ask me all the time. What did you do?

[49:59] Nothing. I didn't do anything. I just I just have I thought you Yeah, interesting. Is that Is that wild or what? Now, I've

[50:12] >> I've got a follow-up because I managed to break a Linux system that wasn't even >> [laughter] >> I got a message about this.

[50:24] So, DankPods was up for a visit recently. And one of the things that happened was his system for Wayland well, he didn't he was ready to blame the airline or the airport. Oh. I blame his packing job.

[50:42] But, he got it here and he shook it and it went rattle rattle rattle rattle rattle rattle. And we were like, okay, that's content, baby. Let's do a video that's content, baby. Let's do a video Linus fixing DankPods' computer.

[50:56] So, he's a Bazzite guy, you know. I get the system. I find some problems with a GPU support brace that was very DIY'd along with some screws that have fallen

[51:09] out, some inadequate packing foam. I rip the system apart. I throw it on a test bench. I re-bend some, you know, VGA back plates and stuff like that. I give him a new cooler. I get him a second stick of RAM cuz he was running single

[51:23] You got to take care of your boys, right? Um go, okay, where's your boot drive? And he hands it to me. He goes, yeah, this is running Bazzite. Uh and I go, okay, okay, is that like

[51:36] Marmite? And he's like, no, no, it's a it's a Linux distro, bro, if you or whatever. But but like Australian accent, you get the point. Um and I knew what Bazzite was. I'm just Just don't worry about it. The point is we put it

[51:48] fails to boot. Immediately. And we've got it on camera. We've got the whole thing on camera in the fixing DankPods's PC video that's going to be coming soon. Fails to boot. He like does a thing so

[52:02] he like presses enter to continue or something like that. And then it reboots and it fails even harder. Just we didn't change any The only thing we did was I added a second stick of memory and I enabled DOCP or Expo, like the the the

[52:17] faster memory profile. We then tried unenabling the faster memory profile and that didn't I didn't even take the CPU out of the socket. Okay? Like this computer is the same computer he brought here that was running Bazaart, had all

[52:31] of his games installed. The sheer act of me touching the drive seems to have nuked his install. I grab a Windows drive that's just lying around, throw it in the exact same M.2 slot

[52:44] instantly boots up. Machine's totally fine. >> I can't explain it. >> know. I also can't explain why this stuff just seems to mostly work for me. We were talking at Whale Land, right?

[52:59] >> [laughter] >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I don't know. It just works fine.

[53:12] the experience of having Mint on my laptop again has been like really positive. And some of the little added bits of thing, but I have to jump through like four hoops on Casio S when it's one hoop

[53:30] on Mint." is like I'm starting to think flavor of the week is just not a thing. I'm also starting to think that long-term long-term distros like Kubuntu are not a thing either for me, but your mileage may

[53:44] the uh Yeah, I think the flavor of the month thing is like if you're into hyper-optimization like that, can be fun.

[53:57] Like there's some performance stuff with Cashew. Like I was dialing in Baldur's and was able to get some like real smoking. Like it felt great, but I I did some like custom things to get it there. If you want to do that, I think it makes

[54:10] Um but yeah, like when I when I when I booted up Mint on my laptop, it was just nice. Like I think I showed you the store. I showed somebody on the plane the store and I was like, "Yeah, it's

[54:23] just easy." Yep. I I I think there's just a god of irony somewhere that when I was being born >> [laughter] >> "Wouldn't it be funny if

[54:35] there was like this tech media guy >> [laughter] >> he literally just couldn't use the operating system that was like almost his name?" >> [laughter]

[54:51] >> Yeah. >> [sighs] really good at it. No. I don't I don't have time to get really good at stuff that is actively fighting

[55:03] >> [laughter] >> Like I I can't I can't. Uh do you want to bring up the store? Sure. I I always want to tell them to go try Mint and then I I end up stopping myself because I'm like, "I don't

[55:15] >> [laughter] >> I'd kind of I'd almost rather he did it. I'm on it. I'm on it. All right. You guys asked for zip-off pants. We got

[55:28] you. Zip-off pants. Dan, uh look screen if you don't mind. If some of you remember, about a year ago, uh Tatiana from the fashion team roasted the zip-off pants in a video about reviewing their bosses setup.

[55:43] The comment section was flooded with replies that you love zip-off pants and that you would get them if we sold them. Well, guess what? Here they are. The zip-off cargo pants are built with the same fabric and same construction as our

[55:58] regular cargos, feature a total of nine pockets, and now zip off when you want For those who commented, you can get For those who commented, you can get yours now at lmg.gg/zipoffpants.

[56:18] not a fan of the zip-off feature, guess what? We just launched two new colorways of our regular cargos. They are now available in olive night and naval academy. They feature 21 pockets total, including

[56:35] four zippered pockets and two magnetic cargo pockets, plus two hammer loops, and as one reviewer put it, an incomprehensible amount of pockets. You incomprehensible amount of pockets. You can get yours at lmg.gg/cargopants.

[56:55] about utility, and the next item we launched is the lightweight packable launched is the lightweight packable jacket. Okay, this is super cool, and somehow the coolest thing about it did not end up in the doc. Maybe it's on the

[57:08] page. Does it say where the design was kidding me. You've got to be kidding me. We don't talk about it? Ah! Okay, well, let's start with we made the lightweight

[57:23] somewhere like Vancouver, you know the weather can turn on you pretty fast. The whole jacket packs into its own little pocket with a loop and a carabiner so you can clip it onto your backpack or your carry-on.

[57:38] We also added a small embroidered screwdriver on the pouch just for fun. a little embroidery thing. It's decently wind-resistant. It's decently wind-resistant. And it is treated with a P fast free DWR

[57:53] handles drizzles and light rain. It's perfect for hiking, running, traveling, or just when you're on the go. I am or just when you're on the go. I am going to call Ms. Bridget

[58:06] shop the packable jacket at lmg.gg/packablejacket. Fashion team's been absolutely killing it.

[58:19] Let's see if she picks up. She might be busy. She's a busy lady. inspired by something really cool. I just forget exactly what it is.

[58:34] Bridget Bergman >> something. All right. Darn it. Well, I'll have to find that out for you guys next week. It's It's super cool.

[58:46] guys next week. It's It's super cool. Uh what else we got this week? Oh, more topics I guess. Luke, you want to pick one? Yeah, sure. >> I'm about to do a thing. Go for it. Oh, wait. No, I was supposed to talk

[58:59] Stop it. Stop. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Check out messages comes. If you guys are into interacting with, you know, live streams or whatever, you're probably familiar with the concept of throwing money at your screen and then

[59:13] maybe they acknowledge you or maybe they just, I don't know, don't or, you know, whatever. We're not into that. That's why we created checkout messages. If you guys want to send a message into the show either to producer Dan who can

[59:27] reply to them or forward them to someone who can help you out. Do we not have a I'm over here. Oh, no, we have no Dan cam. Okay, Dan, you'll have to come on No, we can't >> now you can't We can't see you, Dan.

[59:42] Okay, so the latter go to producer Dan. Hey, there it is. Nice. [laughter] Run. Who will reply? Fly, you fools. >> [laughter] >> Or he will curate it and Luke and I will

[59:55] couple curated checkout messages for us this week? All you got to do is send one. Let's go to lttstore.com. Add something to your cart. You'll see the interface for our checkout messages. Bippity boppity,

[1:00:08] there it is. Go ahead and place your order and it will go to Dan. There, that been, but very cool. >> Wow, super professional. You're great at for a very long time. Ironically, though.

[1:00:20] though. >> Wow. Hi, LLD. My mobo died. I have a 4 >> Wow. Hi, LLD. My mobo died. I have a 4 No, 11 400k. Should I pay a 100 to $200 replacement or wait for the new Intel and get a Micro Center bundle, which was

[1:00:34] uh the original plan? I'm currently on a good enough laptop. Ooh. Dan, do you want to come back to us? Uh sorry. Nice. >> [laughter]

[1:00:46] actually handle producer things like camera switching, so >> understandably, he's a little behind. I have a few things still to worry about right now. >> 1,100 11 400k is still a very decent

[1:00:59] information that I could really use, like what games you play and what GPU >> information. Pretty important. I think the bigger question, though, is should I be spending a 100 to $200 on such a dated platform at this point.

[1:01:15] 11 400k is um What is it? LGA uh 12 uh LGA 1200? If I If I recall correctly. So, if we go on eBay, I wouldn't buy a brand new board for it. That's for sure. Uh LGA 1200 motherboard. Like, can I get

[1:01:31] something for less than $100, $200? Yes, I can. So, that would be my answer to you is finding something between now and when Intel's new stuff comes out won't drop in value by that much. So, you should

[1:01:46] only be out shipping and then seller fees when you get that new board and then resell it probably alongside your 11400K because that is still new enough that it is going to be very usable for someone who just wants to play, you

[1:02:01] know, not necessarily the very latest most AAA games with their RTX 6090 or that point. Um

[1:02:15] game can be an a phenomenal way to get the best value out of your system as you're as you're upgrading. Oh, boy. Are we dead? Are we local recording? If so, we should just keep going. We're

[1:02:30] so, we should just keep going. We're not?

[1:02:57] We're so back. All right. Why don't we jump All right. Why don't we jump right into our next topic? sends intimate Ray-Ban AI glasses footage to human workers in Kenya. There

[1:03:12] was a joint investigation by Swedish newspapers SVD and Göteborgs Posten. I butchered the heck out of that. Found that Meta sends user footage from its Ray-Ban AI glasses to data annotators at Sama, a subcontractor in

[1:03:30] Nairobi, Kenya. Over 30 workers were interviewed. Workers said they regularly undressing, having

[1:03:45] time and exposing bank card details. One said, "We see everything from living rooms to naked bodies." They risk losing their jobs if they refuse to label said content. So, they just got to dive on in. What?

[1:03:58] >> Um there's a there is a third person in the room with you and your um really good roommate. Uh Meta says that faces are automatically blurred before But employees but nothing like that. They're just faces.

[1:04:13] >> Just just faces. But employees said the blurring frequently fails. Uh for >> Former Meta staff in the US confirmed that algorithms sometimes miss. Uh Meta's AI terms of service state the company can review user interactions and

[1:04:29] that review can be automated or manual. The only solution offered is telling retained. The teams don't say how long data is The teams don't say how long data is stored or who sees it. The reporters

[1:04:43] found Meta's wearable privacy policy buried behind multiple links. Swedish retailers gave contradictory answers about data handling. Uh yep. data stays local. >> Yeah, right. On anything Meta data

[1:04:59] >> Yeah, big time. Testing showed that AI requires server-side processing and >> Well, yeah. The UK's ICO called the findings concerning. Uh yeah, I'd hope so. Uh and is writing to Meta. EU lawyers flag potential GDPR

[1:05:16] violations. Yeah, I think so, since there is no adequacy decision recognizing Kenya's data protection. Um, yoinks. Had to look up what adequacy meant. So, I'm dropping that here in case it's useful. It's a legal term

[1:05:30] indicating that the European Commission can officially declare that a country outside the EU has data protection standards equivalent to EU standards. fall under that. >> Totally. If a If a country has that,

[1:05:47] personal data there. Kenya doesn't have one yet. Apparently, they're trying to uh, which means sending EU user data to Sama in Kenya may lack the required legal basis under GDPR, at least as of right now.

[1:06:02] Uh, Meta is rolling out name tag, a facial recognition feature. Uh, they should have dong tag, a facial recognition recognition feature for the glasses. An internal memo obtained by New York Times said Meta,

[1:06:17] uh, intentionally planned to launch the feature now during what they called a dynamic political environment, when civil society groups would be distracted by other concerns. Uh, so, between the data collection and

[1:06:31] facial recognition, this feels not great. The funniest part of this to me, there's lots of funny parts of this to me, not >> [laughter] >> But, the funniest part of this to me

[1:06:44] is every time we've talked about what the Yeah, it's >> for us to go smart glasses, it was the like creepy dystopian facial recognition and

[1:06:58] like oh, yeah, this is this guy. You had a meeting with him 6 months ago and he >> I would love for it to only be local, but it will never be from Meta. And it would it for for for me to be comfortable with that thing that would

[1:07:12] be very useful to me existing, it would have to be opt-in, it would have to all be voluntary, it would have to be con- consensual with the people that you're, it being great for things like trade shows.

[1:07:25] name tag request, and then you could be like, "Yep." And then it like shares iPhone touch. >> Yeah. Like social media social media, but like IRL. And like before it went crap, like if it was actual social

[1:07:40] network. That'd be actually really cool. >> That'd be very cool. Unfortunately, Meta Meta moved past being a social network and became an advertising monstrosity

[1:07:52] years ago. Our discussion question is, is privacy dead? The answer is yes. For sure. But there are things that you can do. There are things that you can do. Like not wearing Meta glasses? Yeah, and

[1:08:06] avoiding I've even I've even wanted to try them about this. Like I felt kind of out of touch because, you know, the the new gadget hotness, I'm just I'm just not using it. Like I'm completely I'm not

[1:08:19] completely ignorant. Like I I used them a little bit on my trip to Cabo for a little bit on my trip to Cabo for Christmas. I David and I used them when we shot the Costco PC. So we just had one pair of glasses totally

[1:08:32] inconspicuous, right? Cuz we were just stealth filming. So we had one pair of glasses and we would like switch depending on who was on camera, just >> [laughter] >> That's pretty funny. Yeah. So I like

[1:08:44] honestly, I got to say they do some pretty cool stuff. >> Yeah. But I mean there there is still stuff you can do. Like like we were one of your laptops, that can help a lot of people

[1:08:59] even outside of the either you know pirate hat wears tri-corns or people that are like oh my God I'm I don't want the the the the government seeing all my secret informations

[1:09:14] even people outside of those fears are just getting a little tired of like videos of them going to the toilet being sent to Kenya. Okay, hear me out. Maybe maybe I just want my data to be my freaking own and they're just self

[1:09:26] >> Hear me out. We all start wearing hijabs. >> You can't steal my face you can't steal my face if I don't show my face in point. Do you think so? Yeah.

[1:09:42] Do you think so? Yeah. >> [laughter] >> It is what it is. Magical 8321 says I'm in. Magical 8321 says I'm in. >> [laughter]

[1:09:57] >> Oh, apparently we're supposed to do sponsors. Locker. They already had a whole segment on the show Dan. Floatplane announcement first. Okay, Floatplane announcement go ahead.

[1:10:11] Okay, the first part of the Linux Challenge video is out early on Floatplane. The video fully goes over everyone's reasoning so it's me Elijah everyone's reasoning so it's me Elijah and Luke our installations and

[1:10:24] >> [clears throat] >> we go through Pop!_OS continuing to be Linus's downfall. Sammy writes personally I can't wait for of context and say why [snorts] is the biggest tech

[1:10:39] YouTuber using AI summaries to find the best Linux? You deserve the downfall. You're just the best for my hen anime. That's a direct quote from Sammy. I do not take responsibility for that. Also, if you guys enjoyed the reboot

[1:10:53] Also, if you guys enjoyed the reboot video we've got extras. It is 27 minutes of raw, hardcore hardware uh fixing the uh the D1 deck with Mark. behind-the-scenes? Yeah, that one I watched for sure. Dude, it's like

[1:11:08] behind-the-scenes I haven't seen yet. I watched the whole main video. 27 minutes of us just like working on the D1 deck. Yeah. Mark is so knowledgeable and he's so well-spoken. Uh he just he did such a great job He's got a great voice. not

[1:11:23] great job He's got a great voice. not just of doing the work to make Reboot happen but of explaining it. Because a lot of the time you get people who are just like

[1:11:36] let's say super focused. Let's use that word. And they're really great at doing incredible stuff. But people don't properly appreciate it because they don't know how to present

[1:11:49] what they've done and and communicate it in a way that relates with people. Mark, he's got the whole package, man. And so as he's walking me through everything we're doing on this old like like third of a million-dollar tape deck it was it

[1:12:03] was so much fun. There's so much to learn and he just he just did such a great job. It's totally worth watching. You can go check it out at lmg.gg/fpwan.

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[1:13:11] And you can see we're actually here in their in their studio today. We were just at Zero Trust World on stage. I thought we did okay. I Adam Savage was talking and I have once again managed to not meet him. I don't know how I've

[1:13:23] traveled in the circles that I've traveled in while he's been traveling in the circles he's traveled in and I have somehow never managed to cross his path. met him. He likes the screwdriver. Really?

[1:13:38] >> He likes the screwdriver? Yeah. I mean >> really liked the really big screwdriver. He might I know. I mean, he's a man who knows tools. He actually He turned me on to um He turned you on?

[1:13:50] To a particular tool. Mhm. I'll accept tool file, but I don't know if I'm a Um but he turned me on to What are they called? Basically, they're like a they're like a special plier. It has

[1:14:03] like a grippy locky thing here and then you put like uh I think it's called that's great for like making hooks and hangers and stuff. And then you just like pull a thing. You pull like a plunger and it twists it and makes it

[1:14:18] into like a twisted thing. Someone anyone? No, not forceps. For crying out loud, you guys. you guys. Um Safety wire pliers?

[1:14:35] I think that's what they're called. He He made a video about them and uh it like seriously Yeah, yeah, yeah, these are the ones. And that seriously helped are the ones. And that seriously helped me with my motorcycle painting project.

[1:14:48] He's not going to show the screen. He doesn't want you to see it. No, Dan doesn't want you to see it. So, I'm going like this. There. Forget it. those are super cool. He's so excellent. Petulant man. You

[1:15:02] know what else is super cool? LEGO's smart brick is here. And it's got some actually kind of neat tech. I had really wanted this for tonight's show. I thought I thought this would have gone

[1:15:14] pretty well. They've done pretty well. LEGO has released their new smart play sets starting with eight Star Wars builds like Luke's Red Five X-Wing and like they know the popular stuff. I don't know. Each powered by a new

[1:15:29] electronic smart brick that adds lights, sound effects, and interactive reactions. Inside the smart brick is essentially a tiny computer built around a custom ASIC chip smaller than a standard LEGO stud.

[1:15:43] chip smaller than a standard LEGO stud. The brick also includes motion sensors, The brick also includes motion sensors, a speaker, and LEDs so it can react when the model moves, fires, or interacts with characters.

[1:15:56] The system also uses smart tags and smart minifigures which contain unique identifiers that the brick can detect using near field sensing through now. >> When a tagged figure or piece is placed

[1:16:10] nearby, the brick will trigger the appropriate sound or lighting effects. How cool is this? Multiple smart bricks can also connect together wirelessly using a Bluetooth based system called BrickLink allowing different sets to

[1:16:24] synchronize effects and interact with each other. Okay. Now, our discussion question here though is one for the ages. Does adding electronics and wireless connectivity make LEGO not

[1:16:39] LEGO anymore? Does it take the imagination when you're X-Wing? Have we lost something or have we gained the chat. I want to know what you guys think about this.

[1:16:53] >> kind of a two-pronged answer. I think for kids you lost something. I think for adults you might have gained something. I think the ability to have fun with the all that kind of stuff kind of fades a little bit. But I think

[1:17:08] it would actually be worse and less mentally simulating and stuff for kids who would naturally engage with those things making the noise effects news for you. Here we go.

[1:17:20] >> Is it specifically targeted to kids? >> They seem to be for the most part. it might not be >> That's true. That's true. here. Okay, I Daniel got my screen. Yeah, here we go. Oh my god.

[1:17:36] Okay. So there's the smart brick. Okay, blah blah smart play system. Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. Okay, show me show me some smart sets. Pretty small. >> So there's kind of I can see what you

[1:17:52] mean Luke. There's kind of conflicting There's some conflicting information factors. Cuz like a lot of adults that I know that are into Lego

[1:18:05] Yeah, this would not be a good showpiece. >> they build it exactly as it's supposed to be done, and then they leave it exactly as it is. And a lot of kids, like when I was growing up, I didn't

[1:18:17] pieces and then I'd just build random stuff. So it's like two extremely different ways of engaging with it. And if you're just building a kit and you want to look cool and sound cool, smart brick sweet. Sounds good. This is

[1:18:30] looking pretty rough, dude. Not going to lie. for this. Three stars. Three stars, boys. >> brick is expensive.

[1:18:45] >> Where are the low reviews? >> Good idea. Poor execution. The X-Wing looks like a 4+ set. They mean age. Yeah. >> And the integration of the smart brick compromises the look of the fighter too

[1:18:59] much. Ooh. The back of the R2 looks terrible to accommodate the smart tag. terrible to accommodate the smart tag. Ew. And the And that price Oh. Ooh. Ooh. Okay.

[1:19:20] Okay. All right. Yikes. Well, that's unfortunate.

[1:19:32] An Amazon change means that wish lists might expose your address. Amazon is changing how they work starting March 25th, and the company is removing the option that allowed users to restrict purchases to only items sold

[1:19:47] by Amazon. Meaning that items on your list can now be fulfilled by third-party sellers, even if you previously blocked them. This change means that those sellers will receive your shipping address in order to fulfill your order.

[1:20:01] handle their own shipping and tracking, your full address could appear in delivery updates or tracking information that buyers see. Uh Amazon says the goal is to give buyers access to a wider selection of

[1:20:15] items, but it is warning users to switch their wish list delivery address to a PO their wish list delivery address to a PO box or non-residential address if they share lists with the public. So, by buyers, they mean the buyers who

[1:20:28] are like for your gift registry, for instance. >> but my my brain immediately went to gift registry and I was thinking most of >> Unless you're a Twitch streamer. >> it's Twitch streamer

[1:20:40] >> or something. And and a lot of the or something. Yep. >> it's mostly the or something. I shouldn't need a PO box? one. But I just, you know,

[1:20:55] wish I didn't need one. You don't. I just mean in general. Okay. you still don't though. What would you do? Your office is I >> Oh, but okay, I know. I just I was talking from like a like a more a more

[1:21:11] >> had a wish list. I think most of the wish lists are the or something category. Which I'm for sure not in. just flip the thing, right? Can you clarify what you mean by or something?

[1:21:25] Cuz I'm I I think I'm losing you here. >> Like only FANS AND STUFF. OH. YEAH, YEAH. OH, LORDY. I think most of the usage out to be that. Is there Is there Is there something else? Is that a thing? I don't

[1:21:38] something else? Is that a thing? I don't know. safety hazard for women. I don't think like

[1:21:50] Okay. It's not just us. >> 1,000% only fans. Yes, it's a thing. Yes, it's a thing. Buying gifts. But like money is so easy to send. I've Isn't that more convenient?

[1:22:04] They're saying it's a thing. They're saying they're right. >> I don't know what the like I don't know the reason. Like I just I don't really Most models have a public Amazon wish

[1:22:16] Most models have a public Amazon wish list. Why? I've not a clue. Are people more likely to like stretch and spend a little bit more if they if they buy you little bit more if they if they buy you a gift versus if it's money?

[1:22:28] It's been a thing for Twitch streamers for years and years. Okay. Yes, it absolutely is. Exposing the

[1:22:40] to the people on Twitch and all that. Okay. Okay. Totally. Yeah, for sure. people looking for a connection. >> you for professional work, you can

[1:22:53] probably get a PO box. Right, but a PO box is inconvenient cuz you have to go to it. And like, you know, going all the way bought you. You might be able to get a courier service. No, you totally could.

[1:23:07] You totally could. You could get the Uber package thing to go to your PO box and bring it to your house. You could totally do that. You could definitely do that. I think the big problem is Well, it's

[1:23:19] saying like uh that it could be from third-party people Uh and you'd have to update your stuff, but I don't think this is going to screw because they would only have things that are fulfilled by Amazon. It's right?

[1:23:34] list, don't add things Not fulfilled by That's the problem. No, I know. That's the change. So, what I'm what I'm saying is if you already had a list, I don't think it's

[1:23:46] going to suddenly compromise you. Because I think you would have only been >> Yeah, but you can't control where things are fulfilled by. Sometimes it changes. >> Okay, so you don't add a specific listing.

[1:23:59] it's fixed fulfillment, right? >> I don't think so. I don't know Amazon. I be fulfilled by multiple places. >> Do the the Amazon. Um GrapheneOS is

[1:24:11] coming to Motorola phones in 2027. Motorola made the announcement at the Mobile World Congress earlier this week. For those unfamiliar, GrapheneOS is a security and privacy-focused fork that features significantly improved

[1:24:26] sandboxing, exploit mitigation, and permission models. The deal depends on Lenovo-owned Motorola producing hardware that satisfies the unique demands of GrapheneOS, which is a standard that

[1:24:38] most current Android hardware doesn't meet. Currently, GrapheneOS is supported on Google Pixel 6 through Pixel 10 devices, according to a post on GrapheneOS's Twitter account. Support for Motorola

[1:24:51] devices is expected to start with 2027 flagship devices and may expand to a broader range over time. Our discussion question is, Linus tries GrapheneOS episode two, when? I would actually

[1:25:04] give it another shot. >> Yeah. genuinely >> Yeah. genuinely >> really cool, actually. I probably won't yet. There were a lot of things that I ran into with

[1:25:18] GrapheneOS that just were not really compatible with all the services and all of the applications that I use, at least with the amount of work that I wanted to put into getting it all set up and and working correctly.

[1:25:32] >> Do Okay. But I think they can get there. Do you think that's uh a normal amount of resistance to and your answer is very likely just going to think that's a normal amount of resistance to work for an average user,

[1:25:46] or is that a resistance to work because you switch phones every freaking month? Oh, definitely. So, it's you think it's more that? Oh, yeah. So, you'd be more if you were not switching phones. >> If I was not switching phones all the

[1:26:00] time as a as a hardware tech hardware person, and if my job wasn't so dependent on my phone, Yeah. if I just used my phone as a phone, >> a lot of people is fairly true. >> totally fine, then I would I would be

[1:26:14] strongly considering GrapheneOS else at this point. Uh Seagate is shipping 44 terabyte drives to the data center. platters. That's all. That's all I really wanted

[1:26:27] to say. They use hammer, so it'll it'll heat a tiny section of the disk to over 400° C in nanoseconds, which temporarily reduces the magnetic coercivity to allow

[1:26:39] data writing. Um hammer allows for higher capacities conventional magnetic recording or shingled magnetic recording. Freakin doing stuff. >> Hammer drives are so sick. They're so

[1:26:53] >> so cool. It took forever. They were so far behind road map, but now that and well sort of here. I mean you can't buy a hard drive to save your life. Ploof is working on a like an I built a NAS video.

[1:27:05] it's funny. He actually had a line in the script that like, "Really?" Uh cuz he said something along the lines of like, "I've never done a storage or networking video in the five years I've

[1:27:20] been at LMG." And I was like, "Oh, yeah." I mean, not everybody knows everything. The man owns a display, certainly. We could say that with with absolute perfect certainty, but owns a NAS we

[1:27:35] couldn't say. Until now. Yeah. So we're doing that NAS video anyway, and he had to he had to go all the way to uh it was either Calgary Albertan cities to find hard drives.

[1:27:49] It's not just a question of price. It's a question of It's a question of in stock at all. Oh, jeez. Can I find a hard drive right now? It's getting it's getting pretty nuts

[1:28:01] everything is going to the data center. And just like with RAM, where you might think intuitively, "But I don't need the server RAM. Surely the desktop RAM would be perfectly not supply constrained.

[1:28:16] For hard drives, okay, even though consumers don't need to buy 44 TB hammer drives, well, yeah, but those same platters drive. No, they won't.

[1:28:30] Yeah. You're done, bud. Yeah. Uh speaking of the ongoing memory crisis, um analyst firm Gartner is predicting that

[1:28:43] analyst firm Gartner is predicting that entry-level non-gaming PCs under $500 "disappeared" by 2028. And they predict that worldwide PC shipments will decline 10.4%

[1:29:00] in 2026. The firm expects memory costs to rise as much as 23% of to to be as much as 23% of the total bills of material price a bill of materials price, good lord. Um up from 16% in 2025.

[1:29:15] However, not everybody agrees. Um TechRadar writer Desire Athow reminds Windows Phone would overtake the iPhone by 2015 and that NFTs would be

[1:29:28] foundational to the brands of 50% of publicly traded companies by 2024. So, yeah, just throwing that out there. That's a pretty good thing to point out. >> And also, you know, Apple just released uh MacBook that is

[1:29:42] technically sub $500 if you jump through the, from my understanding, >> educational hoop? fairly small hoops to get the educational discount. Yeah. That's something that I actually wish I

[1:29:54] had emphasized more in our launch day coverage, that you can get this thing for $500. I didn't realize how apparently, this is just from like Americans commenting on the video, but how apparently, like trivial it is to

[1:30:07] get the educational discount even if you don't happen to be a teacher or student. Uh fantastic topic. Microslop bans the word Microslop in its Discord server.

[1:30:19] has been fighting a losing battle against the community in its official Copilot Discord server and have filtered the words Microslop from use in the server. Users quickly circumvented the term with elite speak. Uh so Microsoft

[1:30:33] began locking access to certain parts of the server and disabling posting permission for some users. And now uh sloppy soft is in the news for it. Why would they try sand effect this? I

[1:30:46] >> When I saw it, I was like >> happy about this. Hee hee. Anyone who gets banned from that server is like that's a badge of honor. over there and just see if I can get banned from that server. Now that

[1:31:01] they're drawing attention to it by banning the word and by and by taking action against their community, it's so much funnier. Oh, it's so funny. It's gone from like haha that's pretty clever to like

[1:31:14] Oh, Microslop. Maybe maybe if someone tries to tell me Linux takes, I'll just be like, are you banned from the Microsoft official Copilot Discord server? If not, I'm not listening. Forget it. I don't

[1:31:26] >> Yeah, you're not Linux enough. >> [laughter] >> What else we got here? >> Yahoo is selling Engadget? Yeah. Um there's a couple key things um to take away from this. One is that Yahoo still

[1:31:38] >> [laughter] >> Um and the second is that uh bummer um because Engadget was decent at some point and more consolidation of what precious little remains of independent

[1:31:54] tech media sucks. Yeah. Our uh discussion question is, has Yahoo ever paid for it? I I genuinely I genuinely don't know the answer, but it's a but it's a hilarious question. Calm down, stock info app. Now

[1:32:09] Dan is going to have an aneurysm if we don't switch over to uh check out messages, but I there's one more thing that we really wanted to talk about really quick here. Hours after the government block-listed

[1:32:23] Anthropic for refusing to let the Pentagon use Cloud without safety guardrails, and yes, that's how I like to pronounce it now. Cloud? Uh boot sommelier scam Altman Love it.

[1:32:36] swooped in announcing that OpenAI signed a deal with the Department of War, which is not actually renamed, but that's what people are calling it. Um people are calling it. Um ChatGPT uninstalls surged 295%

[1:32:50] Cloud shot to number one on the App Store, and OpenAI employees signed an open letter supporting Anthropic. Altman admitted that the deal looked opportunistic and sloppy It was. and said that OpenAI is amending the

[1:33:06] contract to prohibit domestic surveillance of Americans and to bar intelligence agencies like the NSA from using OpenAI without a separate contract. Okay.

[1:33:18] According to The Verge though, the Pentagon never budged on its terms. >> Yeah, as far as my understanding goes, their their contract just isn't as tight as I got this from Lonnie needs stand. I think their contract just isn't as tight

[1:33:32] think their contract just isn't as tight as Anthropic's, and what it says is that the law. >> Well, OpenAI's former head of policy research came out and said that employees should assume that OpenAI

[1:33:46] caving. Yeah. Yeah. Like what but like the the that they have to follow the law, but then if I remember correctly, the Pentagon can just like not. So, it actually just means nothing. I I think

[1:33:59] >> The autonomous weapons ban is similarly weak. It only applies where current law or policy requires human control, and current policy This is exactly the >> Oh, no, we were getting to that. >> Yeah, yeah. We were getting to that.

[1:34:14] All right, Dan. Do you want to hit us with a couple of checkout messages? >> no way you can change the lights here. Can you? Purple, please. Is that a

[1:34:28] thing? No? No purple? No, that's fine. Uh how's my mic? Let's see here. Maybe make bring that up a little bit. He's working on it. Hey LLD, I need a tech tip. Should I be worried about added latency when

[1:34:42] using a KVM? Sharing a desk with the GF and want to share peripherals, but not at the price of my absolute gaming prowess. I don't believe so. Okay. To be clear, there from my understanding

[1:34:58] are KVMs that do add latency. However, here we go. Apparently, >> Uh Wendel I suspect Wendel's are like >> Yeah, Wendel has replied to this user Sly Joker over on the Level One Techs

[1:35:14] There we go. Um saying >> try moving the Logitech stuff to USB 3. Usually, what you're describing is a blah. Again, did you have the mismatch of installed version of Logitech

[1:35:27] utilities could cause issues. So, from his understanding, it sounds like no, latency should not be an issue if you are using a quality KVM, and I have not

[1:35:40] personally noticed a difference using the Level One Techs KVM. It is not cheap, but it is a high-quality piece of kit, and high-quality stuff sometimes isn't cheap. No apologies for that. I have experienced very very old very very

[1:35:55] Like with >> and the VGA. I mean PS2 probably wouldn't have any additional latency >> time ago and they definitely did add some. Yeah, we got VNG Supernova in chat

[1:36:09] have no noticeable change. >> I also have a Level 1 Techs KVM and has >> Cool. Love the Precision Kit. That's probably a bit too quiet there. Love the Precision Kit. Buying one as a grad gift

[1:36:24] for a student worker. What do you like to keep in your Tech Sack? to keep in your Tech Sack? I mean I have it. >> He's checking. I'm checking. I'm checking.

[1:36:44] meta. I my Level 1 Techs KVM is like old and also flawless. All right. So, in here I have a scribe driver. That's not really the like designated pen spot, but I like it there because I

[1:36:58] pen spot, but I like it there because I can access it without opening up this monster and having to dig through it. I carry one of our little bit sets with all of my not in the screwdriver bit. So, I've got my metric hex, my Imperial

[1:37:12] hex, and all my most common torques sizes. Those are the ones that really come up for me in daily use. I got my pliers, my side cutters, uh a regular screwdriver, a stubby screwdriver, uh one of our extensions. I

[1:37:28] apparently also have one of our another one of our pens. Whoops. Okay, well, that's not supposed to be in there. Get get Go on. Go on. Go on. Go Go on. Get. Uh thermal paste. We've got uh chalk marker. That's only in there because of

[1:37:41] normally be in there. I'll take that out. I've got a 2 and 1/2 gigabit framework ethernet adapter. That comes in handy way way more often than you >> anything USB-C. It doesn't even have to be a framework like

[1:37:55] ancient Patriot 64 gig. You recognize that? Yeah, buddy. You recognize that? Yeah, buddy. >> a bunch. I've got a little This is a Sabrent 4 TB if I recall correctly. So this is I need to move

[1:38:08] like bulk stuff fast. I've got dude, do you recognize this? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. My my Molex stripper that was given to me by Charles stripper that was given to me by Charles Harwood, the creator of Murder Box and

[1:38:20] Pro Fort Pro Pro Forma Forma X Pro That that that crazy super expensive case. I've got Oh, yeah. Always one of these. So a little 3 and 1/2 mm breakout in

[1:38:34] case you have a recessed port that you can't get at. I have of course our precision screwdriver set. I've got some medical tape. This is great for attaching lavalier microphones. I've got Oh, always one of

[1:38:47] microphones. I've got Oh, always one of these. USB to four-pole audio. >> That's another one that you've been using this for like over a decade easily. Oh, yeah. Probably close to two.

[1:39:01] is in the wrong thing. Okay, there you mechanical pencils. You probably recognize this. This is a tool for just like the other one from Molex. This is for de-pinning

[1:39:15] one from Molex. This is for de-pinning ATX and EPS and PCIe connectors. It has ATX and EPS and PCIe connectors. It has saved my bacon so [snorts] many times. I've got a dead SSD that is probably dead because I keep it in my tech sack

[1:39:27] one that I tried to install Linux on and did not work. So that's unfortunate. >> I've got Oh, USB-C to display port framework thing.

[1:39:39] the framework. I haven't been lately, but it was in case I needed a DP out. I've also got uh What's this? Oh, yeah. Emergency microSD and emergency SD card. portable drive. I've forgotten to take

[1:39:54] Finally, >> I still use mine. I've got a USB 2 drive. You never know when a motherboard is not >> Sometimes it really just boots off USB 2 a lot For BIOS flashing? Yep. Yep. And

[1:40:07] a lot For BIOS flashing? Yep. Yep. And then I've got uh a handful of more SSDs that are for installing more SSDs for the Linux challenge. There. That's my the Linux challenge. There. That's my tech stack. You're welcome. Nice.

[1:40:19] tech stack. You're welcome. Nice. Hello Linus, Luke, and Deman. Linus, as an FFTA fan playing Chronicles, how do you feel about things like the JP scroll glitch being fixed? Does this improve the game or take away nostalgia?

[1:40:33] Oh, I am not familiar with the JP scroll glitch. Um what is it? certain classes to instant 9,999 job points, so you

[1:40:50] could just learn all the abilities. I mean, I I I would have fixed that if I was them. That's not like uh I don't think you bother. If you have to go way out of your way to solve it, it's

[1:41:03] a single player game, who cares? Mhm. I guess I never minded the the grind. >> that thing where you're like, you go to

[1:41:15] the doctor and you're like, "When I punch myself in the arm, it hurts." And they're like, "Don't do that." Yeah.

[1:41:29] Man, this is a tough one because the only people who need this glitch would be probably people who are playing on like tactician difficulty, but don't grind if you're playing on a regular difficulty but then I think the

[1:41:43] definition of grinding has changed a little bit these days in the in the remaster you can skip random battles. So in the days when you couldn't skip didn't have to grind. Yeah. >> to like beat the game at normal

[1:41:57] difficulty naturally. Right. But now if you were to skip random battles and do only story battles and you just wanted to like have lots of cool abilities and fight through the story. I could see I would

[1:42:11] could also see them doing something similar to what they've done for some of the from of the some of the re-releases of other older Final Fantasies like when of other older Final Fantasies like when I played through FF9 on PC it had just

[1:42:24] like a 9,999 damage mode that you could just like toggle at any time if you're just bored of a fight and you just want to finish it. I could see them just having like a just like a cheat that you can just enable.

[1:42:36] cheats anymore we call them assists. I I could see them re-implementing it that way. Hi Wendigoon love the content but got to save up for the produce. Would love to get some of the cargo pants for work but

[1:42:50] I must have black work trousers. Why no black? Feel like 250 characters would be black? Feel like 250 characters would be better. >> I got to be honest with you we just didn't I

[1:43:03] I I don't have a good I don't have a good reason for us to not have black cargo pants maybe someday we will. I like black cargo pants. pretty sick. It won't be anytime soon though cuz we just launched as you know

[1:43:17] two new colors. Yeah. But yeah maybe. Last one I got for you today cool new Linus do you remember the first PC slash part that you toasted? >> it was a sound card. I didn't realize that the CD audio connector

[1:43:33] was not a floppy power connector. Oh my god. So I plugged a floppy power connector into it and I released the magic blue smoke and I learned. thing that I don't recognize into another thing I don't recognize. They

[1:43:48] fits on. The spacing's right. Ugh. >> [snorts] >> [snorts] >> Thanks for that.

[1:44:04] had mineral oil on my hand at one point and I was handling a hard drive and it >> But I have some memory that it like still >> They're surprisingly resilient for how Yeah, cuz it wasn't like running. It

[1:44:18] might have died. I don't remember. Yeah. You know what else I don't Ending the show cuz you haven't yet. >> That thing you do at the end of the show. Can you do it? Um I think you have to do yours first.

[1:44:31] >> so? I think so. >> So first I would have to say, "We'll see bat channel." and then you would say >> "Bye."

[1:44:46] Wait, did the stream die? >> died anyways.