Jason Cammisa and Doug DeMuro Pick Their Ultimate Dream Cars

[00:00] This is Doug Demiro and I'm here with

[00:05] Jason Kamisa, automotive legend Jason

[00:08] Kamisa, one of the alltime automotive

[00:11] legends. He's up there in the Pantheon

[00:14] with with Bob Lutz.

[00:16] >> Oh, stop it. I'm not that old. And Henry

[00:18] Ford, I I'm not that dead.

[00:22] Okay, because he is such an automotive

[00:24] legend, Jason Kamisa. We're going to

[00:26] talk about our ultimate dream cars.

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[00:36] >> He's going to tell us. Let's do it.

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[02:11] >> Okay. Ultimate dream cars. It's a short

[02:14] list. I hate I hate everything. I hate

[02:16] everything. And so,

[02:18] >> you don't dream. You don't have dreams.

[02:20] I They're not attainable.

[02:22] >> Okay.

[02:22] >> And dreams I'm very sort of German

[02:24] logic, you know, oriented in this

[02:26] respect. What's the point of dreaming?

[02:28] >> If I can't have it, I should I should

[02:31] aspiration don't have that. Um,

[02:34] >> that is so German. My god.

[02:35] >> The the thing is my dream car doesn't

[02:37] exist. No one has ever made it.

[02:39] >> Okay.

[02:40] >> I want a hothatch

[02:41] >> with rear wheel drive.

[02:42] >> Okay.

[02:44] >> With something under the hood that revs

[02:46] to like eight and a half, 9,000 RPM.

[02:48] Okay.

[02:48] >> Um, that's got like amazing

[02:51] uh and a manual obviously. It's

[02:53] something that's amazing steering and

[02:55] like great usability. So, think of like

[02:59] if you could imagine a modern GTI minus

[03:02] 58 900 lb with a Honda K24, K20 hybrid

[03:08] that makes 300 horsepower.

[03:10] >> Cleo V6

[03:12] >> that they're mid-enineed so that that

[03:14] stops the usability. So the I just want

[03:17] something that I can get in every day

[03:18] and like throw a bunch of friends in

[03:20] like it's got like a 15-in sub in the

[03:22] back like a good stereo cuz that's

[03:25] important. I'm that trash.

[03:26] >> That's the automotive dream.

[03:28] >> Yeah. Like 15 sub.

[03:29] >> But like but just give me I would shut

[03:33] up if there was like a rod shifter

[03:36] converted Mark 7 GTI with a K2420 hybrid

[03:41] in it. What is it like to be the level

[03:42] of Volkswagen guy that you are? Like on

[03:44] a day-to-day basis, do you wake up and

[03:46] >> send me a better hat?

[03:48] >> I just want a daily driver that I love.

[03:50] >> Focus RS.

[03:52] >> They were built in your home country,

[03:53] Germany.

[03:54] >> Kamisa is a nice German name, isn't it?

[03:56] You feel German.

[03:58] >> I am very logical and also sometimes I'm

[04:01] sounding German.

[04:02] >> So

[04:06] I I'm speaking German so it's no

[04:08] problem.

[04:10] Yeah. such question.

[04:12] >> You know, I worked for Porsche.

[04:13] >> Yeah.

[04:13] >> And I would go to Germany and meet the

[04:15] Germans.

[04:15] >> Yeah.

[04:17] >> You were like, it was like, damn.

[04:19] >> Damn. What? Like

[04:20] >> like there that that there was no

[04:22] country I've ever been in that is so

[04:23] engineering like focused.

[04:25] >> They're very organized. It's amazing.

[04:27] >> You know how this is what hit me. You

[04:29] know how you're walking in the

[04:30] supermarket parking lot in America and

[04:32] you walk and cars stop for you?

[04:34] >> Yeah.

[04:34] >> In Germany, the machine is king. You

[04:38] stop for the cars. And I was cautioned

[04:40] by many Germans. What are you doing?

[04:41] >> This is don't walk.

[04:42] >> Think they think about it in a logical

[04:44] sense. This is a parking lot. This is

[04:47] not a walkway in like on it's just a

[04:51] very simple concept. It's there for the

[04:52] cars. It's not there for you. You're

[04:54] secondary.

[04:54] >> You're lucky. You're lucky we were even

[04:56] allow you in this thing.

[04:57] >> Okay. So your ultimate dream car doesn't

[04:59] exist. So what is

[05:02] >> that does exist? the one that got away.

[05:06] >> No, it's an acoustic non-event and it's

[05:09] it's like driving a WRXSTI like

[05:11] perfectly capable but like the engine

[05:14] sounds like it's in a car somewhere else

[05:15] and it's just not

[05:17] >> I don't So what you were like oh I just

[05:19] want a I just want a rear wheel drive

[05:20] hatch that revs out an enormous amount

[05:24] of things that are required.

[05:26] >> It needs to sound good.

[05:27] >> I first of all you're accusing me of

[05:28] being a Volkswagen guy but all I want is

[05:30] a Honda K20. How many times have I said

[05:32] that? a Honda like a really good Honda

[05:34] shifter.

[05:34] >> I know that that V R six, V6 isn't

[05:37] capable of what you're looking for.

[05:39] >> I don't do V6s, but I definitely do VR6s

[05:42] and I will go and find that effing.

[05:45] Um, no, I like a Honda 4. I I just want

[05:49] >> We're at a place in automotive

[05:51] development where no one's having any

[05:53] fun anymore. Like it's rare that you get

[05:55] a car company that does something with

[05:56] where the engineers are like and we have

[05:58] done this. Well, no one was watching.

[05:59] American car company compan companies at

[06:02] the moment are having more fun than

[06:03] anything else. I mean, everyone in

[06:04] Salantis has a virtual mullet whether

[06:06] you realize it or not. They're like,

[06:07] "Yeah." Um, GM's having a lot of fun.

[06:09] Ford's having a lot of fun. But the no

[06:11] one makes no one in Europe is, which

[06:13] means that no one makes a compact hatch

[06:15] that's any fun. Like totally a new

[06:18] like give me a new Prelude with like a

[06:20] real motor. I'd be happy.

[06:21] >> But you want rear wheel drive.

[06:22] >> I would like rear wheel drive.

[06:23] >> So you're never going to get that from

[06:24] Honda.

[06:25] >> Never going to get it from anyone.

[06:26] >> Okay. All right. Your car doesn't exist.

[06:28] But that is what you dream of.

[06:29] >> But the one that got away like 300 350

[06:31] >> 350 on 2900 lb for example. The car that

[06:34] got away from me. The one that I

[06:36] reviewed professionally that I can't

[06:37] >> This is gonna be your ultimate dream

[06:38] car. You're going to reveal it right

[06:40] here right now.

[06:41] >> You've heard it here first. Hold on.

[06:42] Which camera is close? You've heard it

[06:43] here for I can't do the announcer voice.

[06:45] And look sultry at the tu.

[06:48] >> It is a uh Aston Martin V12 Vantage S7

[06:51] manual.

[06:52] >> Really?

[06:52] >> Yeah. I

[06:54] >> of all of the things

[06:56] >> it's the one that I can't stop. You

[06:57] could have a Lincoln Continental Coach

[06:59] door.

[07:00] >> I thought you were going to say the V10

[07:01] that those kids in Detroit built, which

[07:02] is pretty cool.

[07:03] >> Um,

[07:04] >> yeah, I think it's the one that I want.

[07:06] There's They popped out at 200,000

[07:08] bucks. They're still 200,000 bucks.

[07:10] >> They're expensive.

[07:11] >> I think if I if I sold a whole bunch of

[07:13] stuff, maybe I could do it,

[07:16] >> but I can't bring myself

[07:18] >> It does

[07:18] >> to pay more in sales tax on a car than

[07:20] I' than I've spent for most of my other

[07:21] cars. It does solve like it literally

[07:24] does answer like it's a hatch

[07:27] >> with a rear kind like it doesn't it

[07:29] doesn't do what you want but it gets you

[07:30] in that realm.

[07:31] >> What it does is give me So the reason

[07:33] that I bought the 850 CSI is because I'm

[07:35] allergic to long gears. Um I don't like

[07:38] the idea of

[07:40] like modern Lamborghinis for example.

[07:42] Like I I showed up with a check to buy a

[07:44] Gallardo six-speed and I was like this

[07:46] is going to be great. I love that V10.

[07:48] The car is just spectacularly gorgeous.

[07:50] It's just modern tone tops, right? I

[07:51] totally agree.

[07:52] >> Um

[07:52] >> I think it's amazing. It's way way

[07:54] underrated.

[07:55] >> 17 74 in first gear and 92 in second,

[07:59] 94, whatever it was. I don't go that

[08:02] fast. I If I have that engine.

[08:04] >> Now, can I give you Can I Yeah.

[08:05] >> You don't have to take it to red line

[08:07] and did you know that

[08:08] >> you you have you

[08:14] >> you can actually No. Why?

[08:18] Jesus gave you 8,500 RPM to use when you

[08:21] drive around. Are you like taking first

[08:23] gear all got it?

[08:24] >> I red line every every one of my cars

[08:25] every time.

[08:26] >> That would be a great experience for

[08:27] your passengers. I bet

[08:28] >> it who says I allow people in my car. I

[08:30] said I want I want to be able to put

[08:32] four people in the car. You just you

[08:33] have dead bodies. They're they don't

[08:35] complain. No. Um I look the thing that

[08:38] we love about the sound of engines isn't

[08:40] steady state. Even your you know

[08:41] Countage hold it at 3,000 RPM

[08:45] not it's the rise, right? And so a car

[08:47] that's short geared allows you to get a

[08:49] rise, a fall, a rise, a fall, a rise, a

[08:51] fall. And so the that Gallardo was just

[08:55] the vantage red line red line second

[08:58] gear at like I think if you're at red

[09:00] line is like 57 mph. If you push it like

[09:03] to the limiter, you can just touch 60,

[09:06] maybe even not. It's effectively geared

[09:08] like a Miata, but it's a 500 plus

[09:10] horsepower. Really nice sounding V12.

[09:12] Not one of the best ever until you put

[09:14] equal length long tube headers. So it

[09:16] would have equal length long tube

[09:17] headers. So it gets a a really high

[09:19] pitch scream, short gears, one of the

[09:21] prettiest cars ever made. Beautiful

[09:23] interior. Beautiful. Consider just I

[09:25] mean a a regular Vantage would fit into

[09:28] your world. You don't like it?

[09:29] >> Okay. The 4.3 I don't love the the

[09:32] original Vantage. They made a lot of

[09:34] changes between the 43 and 47 that go

[09:36] far beyond just the you know this just

[09:38] the displacement. Um but the 47 was kind

[09:41] of slow. The four 43 was kind of slow.

[09:43] The 47 really woke it up. They put much

[09:46] better steering in the car, especially

[09:47] there was a 2012 and a quarter, I think,

[09:49] model year update. Much quicker

[09:51] steering, blah blah blah blah blah. But

[09:53] they made a bunch of changes that made

[09:54] the car great. Still geared too long.

[09:57] Crossplane V8s don't rev the way I love

[10:00] them to. They're kind of lazy. Um,

[10:03] >> yeah, that car did rev.

[10:04] >> It was just kind of It needs a light

[10:06] flywheel. It needs shorter gears.

[10:08] >> It needs a damn V12 and a seven-speed,

[10:10] >> right? Then the V12 six-speed is like

[10:12] half the price. Nope. Geared long. Not

[10:15] the same. Interesting.

[10:15] >> It's that seven. It's a doglike

[10:17] seven-speed

[10:18] >> gorgeous. I at some point I will break

[10:21] down.

[10:22] >> Obviously what you're saying must be the

[10:24] market agrees because uh not a lot of

[10:26] Aston are holding.

[10:28] >> No,

[10:28] >> that one has.

[10:29] >> They made 100. I mean they sold 100 in

[10:31] the US.

[10:31] >> Yeah, but Aston does a lot of limited

[10:33] runs and that doesn't always guarantee.

[10:35] >> That's true.

[10:36] >> We made six of these because no one

[10:38] would buy it,

[10:38] >> right? I mean those you know what, you

[10:40] know what I was that Vanquish Shooting

[10:41] Break. Do you remember when they made

[10:42] those Legato? that car had like a 900

[10:44] sticker and they're trading all day long

[10:46] for 350 and I don't think that I think

[10:48] that 350 is is like give it a couple

[10:50] more crazy.

[10:52] >> Um so just just rarity is not enough for

[10:54] Aston holding value as an Aston is very

[10:57] rare and I think that the market must

[10:58] must support your feelings.

[11:00] >> I hope so. I hope they don't go crazy

[11:02] cuz you know it's one of these that's

[11:03] kind of like a 911R happened at the same

[11:06] time and that was another one that I

[11:08] thought this is magnificent but Porsche

[11:09] moved on right and so the 911 ST so the

[11:12] 911 R became the the 911 GT3 Touring

[11:15] which in some ways was better and then

[11:17] the 911 ST is in just about every way

[11:20] better other than the fact that I think

[11:21] the 991 is prettier than the 992. Yeah.

[11:24] >> So, that has been an ascent. Aston

[11:28] hasn't come close to this car since and

[11:30] never will.

[11:30] >> And probably won't. It's not really part

[11:32] of their focus area. They're doing SUVs.

[11:33] >> Yeah. I at some point I'm going to have

[11:34] to break down and sell a bunch of cars

[11:36] and a kidney or two and and just do it.

[11:39] >> Uh my number one ultimate dream car. I

[11:42] want to preface this by saying I don't

[11:43] really have any. Like I kind of feel

[11:45] like I've done what I want to do and and

[11:49] I I'm not actively trying to earn more

[11:50] money and so like these aren't going to

[11:52] happen. You know what I mean? Nice.

[11:53] Well, like it is nice, but it's also

[11:55] like there are people who get to a

[11:56] certain level and then just want to

[11:58] Yeah, I want more and more and I'm like

[12:01] it's too much work. I'm good.

[12:04] >> So, like I this isn't really something

[12:06] that like it would be nice, I think, to

[12:07] have like some other stuff, but I think

[12:09] it's it's also nice at some point to cut

[12:11] off and say, you know what, I'm happy,

[12:13] >> right?

[12:14] >> And so, my number one and kind of the

[12:15] one that I really if I could have

[12:17] anything, if I could have one more car

[12:18] and had infinite money to do it, I'd get

[12:20] an F50. I just think the F50 is the best

[12:23] damn driving car. I think it is so cool.

[12:26] I think it is light and athletic and

[12:28] perky and like surprisingly engaging

[12:32] despite the fact that it has this sort

[12:33] of um flowy kind of look to it that

[12:36] makes you think it's just sort of this

[12:37] big overroought thing. I think it's

[12:39] incredible. I just think it is like the

[12:40] most incredible car to drive. That's my

[12:42] that would be my number one. Having not

[12:44] yet driven a McLaren, a McLaren F1 or a

[12:47] Gordon Murray T50 or T33,

[12:50] um I'm there with you in your

[12:52] superlative on that. I don't It's looks,

[12:55] promise, and experience. It doesn't

[12:56] deliver in the right way, right? You

[12:58] think it's going to be miserable? None.

[13:01] Especially supercars, they're never

[13:02] good. Like, they're just never good.

[13:04] They're never cohesive. They're never

[13:05] that I did. I

[13:07] >> It looks like melty and big and just

[13:10] overdone and you're just like

[13:11] >> it's going to be unwieldy. It's like

[13:13] driving like a Mercielago that's like

[13:14] >> or or a XJ220 which came from the same

[13:17] area. You're just like this is going to

[13:18] suck. And a lot of those 90s supercars

[13:19] did suck. I've driven XJ220. It's not

[13:22] great. I've driven EB110. It's not like

[13:24] it's not what you want. It's not what

[13:25] you're hoping for. F50 feels modern car

[13:28] good.

[13:28] >> I the joke when I was driving it was the

[13:30] passenger was uh I think he was the it

[13:32] was like effectively a minder. They part

[13:34] of the company that was selling it. He's

[13:36] like, "I think you just wore out the

[13:37] transmission cuz I just in cruising, we

[13:40] were down in Monteray and it was like

[13:41] one second, fourth, third, second,

[13:43] first." Because first was like we were

[13:44] doing 40 mph and it got to the point

[13:46] where I can go from sixth to first to

[13:48] sixth to first to sixth to first and he

[13:49] wouldn't feel a single shift. And it's

[13:51] not be it's not just because I'm that

[13:52] good. It's because that is just that car

[13:55] is a perfect example of how a great

[13:59] dance partner is just a neverending

[14:02] pleasure.

[14:02] >> I didn't think it sounded that amazing

[14:04] in the car.

[14:05] >> No. Which is interesting because the

[14:06] part of the story of that car is that

[14:08] the Formula 1 derived the racing derived

[14:10] V12,

[14:10] >> but like we've said in the past, you

[14:11] don't want a race car. The race cars

[14:13] don't sound good.

[14:14] >> And that car is despite that story is

[14:16] actually not a race car. Like it doesn't

[14:17] feel like a race car in a good way. Like

[14:19] it feels smoother and more streetable.

[14:21] >> Some weird guttural strange like it's

[14:24] either clutch or timing gears or

[14:26] something's going on behind you. It's

[14:27] kind of some unpleasant noises which

[14:29] just add to the experience that

[14:31] >> the Courage GT is like that too. There's

[14:32] this mechanical feel that you're like,

[14:33] am I breaking something? But I feel like

[14:35] some of the best cars have that.

[14:37] >> How do you like this? The way the CGT

[14:38] sounds inside the car.

[14:40] >> It's not as good as the outside for

[14:41] sure. And and the other funny thing

[14:43] about Kur GT because I I I watched a Kur

[14:45] GT versus LFA with Popes and I it and um

[14:47] I really think that the LFA might sound

[14:51] better. Um the Cur GT is obviously the

[14:54] better drive. I mean, everyone who spent

[14:55] time in the cars feels that way. What

[14:57] are you going to tell me that dual that

[14:58] single clutch trash is good? The Cur GT

[15:01] is the greatest driving car regardless.

[15:04] Okay.

[15:04] >> I think the funny thing about courage

[15:06] sound whenever I start up a cars and

[15:08] coffee the kids all gather around

[15:10] >> doesn't sound like anything at zero

[15:12] nothing.

[15:12] >> It's before car right it's before the

[15:14] car companies figured out the startup

[15:16] drama and cars that were loud 15 years

[15:18] ago are quiet now like this happens to

[15:21] us we had uh we did a ZR1 episode so we

[15:23] had C4 ZR1 uh 56 and 7 5 6 whatever it

[15:28] was 67 and 8 and you know C4 like they

[15:32] were talking about the sound it's

[15:35] And then C like you know the later cars

[15:37] are getting progressively louder and

[15:38] louder and then you start a C8 and it's

[15:40] like

[15:42] >> they figured out that's exactly what

[15:43] they did. They figured out the start

[15:44] drum and in fact I remember I worked at

[15:45] a Ferrari dealer in 08 and people would

[15:46] constantly be coming in getting tubes

[15:48] installed and I assume those companies

[15:50] don't do modern the cars are so loud now

[15:52] that I imagine maybe they're still doing

[15:54] that stuff but back then it was almost

[15:55] like part of the purchase like okay

[15:58] which exhaust do you want us to install

[15:59] for you before you take delivery. You

[16:01] know,

[16:01] >> there's a weird thing that happens,

[16:02] especially in European um car companies

[16:05] where they're run by old people. And so,

[16:07] like if when I when doing research on

[16:10] some of the videos, like research on BMW

[16:11] E31, the 850i, they did a whole there's

[16:14] an entire section in the book that they

[16:16] the sort of engineers wrote afterwards

[16:18] about how that all the Italian stuff was

[16:21] a nuisance and they did everything they

[16:23] could to quiet the V12 down. And you

[16:25] just want to grab him by the throat and

[16:27] be like, are you stupid? It's a V12. I

[16:29] think about the 8 series. One of the

[16:31] things I think about is they were

[16:32] probably thinking about the CL, right?

[16:34] And they wanted to make a BMW a more

[16:37] BMWish, but they were that was probably

[16:39] their top right competitor, but they

[16:41] were old. They were old.

[16:42] >> They were old and boring. But who thinks

[16:44] Hold on. BMW Z1. I just finished a

[16:46] Revelations episode. You guys are

[16:47] getting a sneak peek. Uh BMW Z1

[16:50] Revelations. Same thing. They were like,

[16:52] we don't want to make we don't want to

[16:54] make a car that pummel the background.

[16:56] This is Dr. Olish Bettz. So Dr. Bez who

[16:58] did a Aston Martin afterwards, right? He

[17:00] was he even he was like, "We don't want

[17:03] a car that assaults the road with extra

[17:04] horsepower. We want a car that's stable

[17:07] so drivers will come fast in and fast

[17:09] out." And they did. Their goal was to

[17:11] make the quietest sports car on the

[17:12] road.

[17:14] >> Are you dumb?

[17:14] >> Yeah, they don't.

[17:15] >> Are you Did like are you drunk? What is

[17:17] wrong? Isn't the whole point of these

[17:19] cars the experience?

[17:20] >> What a shame. That car could have been

[17:21] so much cooler. Although I still think

[17:23] it is cool and I've had it on various

[17:24] like cars I want less. It is

[17:26] surprisingly valuable. Uh you said you

[17:28] have one other ultimate dream car.

[17:30] >> Well, it was the one that doesn't exist

[17:31] and then it was really the advantage and

[17:34] the other one is 911 ST. I mean I just

[17:36] hate to be that predictable.

[17:37] >> Wow.

[17:38] >> Because 190 Evo 2 thing.

[17:40] >> Oh, it's up there. Oh, yeah. I'm sorry.

[17:42] Look, now here's the thing is I don't

[17:44] dream. I don't want If I had actual

[17:46] cubic money, I mean, would I probably

[17:47] have a McLaren F1? Probably. Would I

[17:49] have a T50? Yeah. Um an Evo 2 is up

[17:52] there. The reason I the reason it's not

[17:55] didn't come to mind right away is when

[17:57] you look at the 1906 16 valve lineage.

[17:59] You have the early car which is has the

[18:01] head was cast at Cossworth no catalytic

[18:04] converter 185 horsepower and then you

[18:06] get the the sort of smogged version

[18:08] lower compression less aggressive cams

[18:09] blah blah blah.

[18:10] >> That's all it has is 185 horsepower

[18:12] >> 185 for Europe 164 for the US 167 for

[18:14] the US. Yeah. You didn't need a lot of

[18:15] power. It only weighs 2,800 lb.

[18:17] >> So my car I had a US car. I liked it.

[18:21] Sold it. I got I drove a Euro car, loved

[18:24] it. The the US car revved to 6,500 and

[18:28] could barely make it there. It was all

[18:30] kind of over after 5700 and it trudged

[18:32] its way to 6,500. The Euro car slams

[18:35] into its 7100 RPM limiter like it needs

[18:38] another thousand, which the Evo got,

[18:40] right? The Evo rev to 8

[18:42] >> 7,800. But the price differential, like

[18:45] I paid 16,000 for my car. Yeah. All

[18:47] right. It's now worth multiples of that.

[18:50] But at, you know, now my car is worth, I

[18:52] don't know, 50, 60. I have no idea.

[18:53] 70,000 bucks, whatever it is. An EVO is

[18:56] five times, six times the price. It's

[18:58] not six times the experience. It's six

[19:01] times the looks, but I don't own that

[19:03] car for the just the looks. So, I Yes,

[19:05] if I had the money, I would have an

[19:07] maybe an early 190, but certainly an Evo

[19:09] 2

[19:09] >> and a 911 ST.

[19:11] >> An ST would be Well, I thought this was

[19:13] dream car r, right? And if this if this

[19:16] isn't dream car ru then like if I need

[19:18] to buy a new car that's kind of amazing.

[19:21] Nothing beats a 911 ST.

[19:23] >> If you had to buy what new car right now

[19:26] I guess costs no object. What really

[19:28] lights your hair on fire?

[19:30] >> Not much. Right. That's the problem.

[19:32] >> But you got to speed for sure is up

[19:34] there.

[19:34] >> Okay.

[19:34] >> If we're counting that as a new car

[19:36] still.

[19:36] >> Uh I love that car. It's crazy that they

[19:38] sell for 700. Otherwise I probably would

[19:40] have done it. But I don't think it's

[19:42] worth that. But other than that, there's

[19:44] not all that much. Truthfully,

[19:46] >> this is I'm sorry, but there are plenty

[19:48] of people in our industry who are like,

[19:49] "This is a great time to be an

[19:51] enthusiast." I find it interesting,

[19:53] especially, this is one of the big

[19:55] things I have about Ferrari. I find it

[19:57] especially interesting that this is how

[19:58] we feel, considering that there has

[20:01] clearly been a demonstrated demand, not

[20:03] just from internet losers, but from real

[20:06] people with real money, that manual

[20:08] transmission analog cars are desirable.

[20:11] Carrera GTS at at three million. Uh

[20:14] F-50s at 10. F40s at five. 911 STS are

[20:18] trading in the secondary market for

[20:19] double. And that's double already pretty

[20:21] strong price point.

[20:22] >> Double the that the ST's price point was

[20:24] double what GT3 was a couple years ago.

[20:26] >> Right. Right.

[20:26] >> And so you're sitting there saying you

[20:28] it's not like people are saying I want a

[20:29] brown diesel wagon manual like the

[20:31] enthusiasts tend to. These are real

[20:32] people who are willing to spend the

[20:34] money. Where is Ferrari with this car?

[20:36] Where is Ferrari with a modern F40?

[20:37] Where is Porsche? The reason Porsche

[20:39] Porsche dumb has grown so much is

[20:41] because they still make a manual.

[20:42] >> They make cars for enthusiasts. And I

[20:44] hate to admit that because I'm not

[20:46] really into that whole Porsche culture,

[20:47] but like if we're honest here, if you're

[20:49] buying a new car, you're not going to

[20:51] Ferrari. No,

[20:52] >> you're not going to Lamborghini. These

[20:53] are like those are have become and that

[20:55] wasn't always the case. Ferrari was a

[20:57] connoisseur brand that made enthusiast

[20:58] cars for a long time. And I'm I'm fine

[21:01] if they want to go and make the SUVs and

[21:02] the automatics and the stuff that's

[21:03] shouty, but you have people spending 10

[21:06] million for F50s. If you did a 300 unit

[21:09] production run of a manual something,

[21:11] you could probably price it at 10

[21:12] million. And you can't tell me, you

[21:14] can't tell me you it's it costs three,

[21:16] however much that is, 300 million, three

[21:19] billion dollars to develop that car.

[21:21] >> I have been saying this to car company

[21:22] executives and product planners for

[21:24] years who get like belligerently in your

[21:27] face as a journalist because they're

[21:28] like, "You're an enthusiast. You don't

[21:29] understand this." And my canned response

[21:31] is, "If your car was that good, why why

[21:35] are your old cars worth so much?" Right?

[21:37] If the current M3 was that great, and

[21:39] the M the current M3 is quite a good

[21:40] car, actually, why is everything old

[21:42] worth so much, right? And then you say,

[21:45] tell me about the price difference when

[21:46] you go to the Hagerty price guide or any

[21:48] anywhere and just look at the price

[21:50] difference and it'll say plus 80% for

[21:53] manual, plus 140% for manual.

[21:55] >> Right? These aren't just these aren't

[21:57] just random idiots. People are paying

[21:59] actual money, new car money or more.

[22:01] >> Look at Gordon Murray's car. They they

[22:04] offered was it a dual clutch or a single

[22:05] clutch automated manual on T50

[22:07] >> and one two people two people chose it.

[22:10] >> I didn't even know that that was a

[22:10] possible.

[22:11] >> So he said forget it. Take it off the

[22:13] offering. One person cancelled his

[22:14] order. The other one said yeah thank

[22:15] you. Save me from a mistake anyway.

[22:17] >> Huh?

[22:18] >> It the market has spoken. There is the

[22:20] question is if I need to get from here

[22:22] to across town, what's the most

[22:24] efficient way? Right? I'll take a taxi.

[22:25] I'll take an Uber. I'll take a Whimo.

[22:27] You can drive. I'll drive. Whatever it

[22:28] is.

[22:29] >> What's the most fun way? It's sure as

[22:32] poop isn't going to be getting into a

[22:33] bus. I'm going to dance my way across

[22:35] town and Emanuel's a dance.

[22:37] >> Porsche almost lost it, too. 911 GT3.

[22:39] They went PDK. I I worked for Porsche at

[22:41] that time and I remember a lot of

[22:42] meetings where it was like we're trying

[22:43] to push people into PDK. This is our

[22:45] future. Obviously, it was more they made

[22:47] more money. But once the automakers

[22:48] started to realize you didn't

[22:49] necessarily make more money with the

[22:51] automatic,

[22:51] >> you actually could do this.

[22:53] >> I and I don't understand why Ferrari, a

[22:55] public company, doesn't pursue that.

[22:56] >> They have their head so far up. It

[22:58] >> makes no sense though. certain

[22:59] orififices, they just I hate to say it

[23:01] because 296 is a wonderful car.

[23:03] >> Wonderful car.

[23:03] >> Um I I actually like that V6 better than

[23:05] I like any of their V8s, but the it's

[23:08] off the shopping list. A because the way

[23:11] it looks, but B because it is so

[23:13] expensive and C no manual.

[23:14] >> I have this thing that I call all these

[23:16] modern supercars that I call them rich

[23:17] guy go fast cars.

[23:19] >> We're just like McLaren's like rich guy

[23:21] wants to go fast. Boom. He's in a

[23:22] McLaren. Buy a McLaren Tamaria. like

[23:24] they're they're pretty a lot of the cars

[23:26] are pretty competent, but like

[23:28] >> there's there's there's no need to know

[23:30] anything or

[23:31] >> competency isn't enjoyment, right?

[23:33] >> Going fast isn't the fun part. You want

[23:35] to go fast going get a 747.

[23:37] >> And with that in mind, my number two

[23:40] >> Oh,

[23:40] >> ultimate dream car. A lot of the Sultan

[23:43] of Brunai cars.

[23:44] >> That's not just your ultimate dream car.

[23:47] >> There's I'll take whatever they got.

[23:48] >> You know what though? There's that

[23:50] green. Yes. Do you know that guy?

[23:52] >> Yes. I just met him at a car show. What

[23:54] you'd like personally know him? I'm

[23:56] interested in making an offer on that

[23:57] car.

[23:57] >> Oh, I don't know if you'd sell it. I can

[23:59] I can

[24:00] >> Let's talk.

[24:01] >> Okay, here's the deal. I will connect

[24:03] you if I get to drive it.

[24:05] >> Yeah.

[24:05] >> Okay.

[24:05] >> I think you'll probably be underwhelmed.

[24:07] You ever driven a 456?

[24:08] >> Don't care. It's a green wagon stick

[24:12] shift V12 Ferrari.

[24:15] >> Oh, I That's very difficult sound effect

[24:17] to do.

[24:19] >> There it is.

[24:20] >> There it is. Um, I I think the

[24:23] >> the sound guy always laughs when I say

[24:24] >> I think the Sultan cars are the coolest

[24:25] things in the world.

[24:26] >> He commissioned all these cars. He did a

[24:28] Bentley SUV called the Dominator, the

[24:30] Bentley Buccaneer, which was a twodoor

[24:32] long Bentley coupe. Like somebody who's

[24:34] like it was beautiful car W140 station

[24:38] wagon. Seven of those.

[24:39] >> I just saw a black one on Instagram the

[24:41] other day. Cool.

[24:42] >> They were all the W140 wagons were

[24:43] apparently sulten cars. Uh, apparently

[24:45] there was a V12 version as well. They

[24:47] all are right-hand drive, which is

[24:48] annoying, but I would

[24:50] really get into a Sultan car.

[24:52] >> I really want that 456 Venice, which I

[24:55] think isn't a Sultan car. The Sultan

[24:56] commissioned a run of those, but I think

[24:58] he only got a few and then some and then

[25:00] some didn't go to Brunai.

[25:01] >> We talked about

[25:02] >> I don't know if that one is

[25:03] >> that one was an automatic, too.

[25:05] >> That one's an auto.

[25:06] >> Was it was a Mercedes automatic that he

[25:08] has now been converted back to

[25:11] >> He should have done a lefthand drive

[25:12] conversion while he was at it.

[25:13] >> It's still It's right hand drive.

[25:14] >> Yeah.

[25:15] >> I kind of think that's hot.

[25:16] >> I just don't like driving right-hand

[25:17] drive. I would convert it. You'll learn

[25:21] >> salt and stuff. That 45 fix.

[25:24] >> That is That car is I haven't seen it in

[25:26] person, but it's local to me.

[25:27] >> I know it's in the Bay.

[25:28] >> He Yeah, they he showed up in another

[25:30] car and was I was talking to him and I

[25:32] friend of a mutual friend in introduc,

[25:37] hey,

[25:39] >> there's this really really rich guy

[25:41] named T. He's got huge money and I want

[25:43] a commission. And the commission is just

[25:45] like just give me a day. Just give me a

[25:47] day with that thing.

[25:48] >> Oh man.

[25:49] >> Maybe. Oh yeah, that is a that is a very

[25:51] cool car.

[25:51] >> Uh that's it. That's all you dream

[25:53] about?

[25:54] >> I mean, I do dream about other stuff. I

[25:55] kind of dream about like some big

[25:56] American boat.

[25:57] >> Really?

[25:58] >> Like I I kind of wouldn't mind

[25:59] >> 70s Cadillac.

[26:00] >> 70s Cadillac or like a or like a boat

[26:03] tail riv like some of the Riviera stuff

[26:05] is gorgeous. Even the front wheel is so

[26:08] I I would totally rock a Toronto. Can

[26:09] you imagine the burnouts you can do with

[26:11] a 400 500 cubic inch V8 and frontwheel

[26:13] drive?

[26:14] >> Yeah. But

[26:15] >> like I said, probably I kind of want

[26:18] >> I there like I want a GMC Cyclone really

[26:21] badly.

[26:22] >> I don't.

[26:23] >> Yeah, that the Cyclone was on my list of

[26:24] under 30 cars actually. Under 30,000

[26:26] >> that we Yeah, we both did a list of

[26:28] under 30,000. Mine's on that list, too.

[26:30] So, we will find

[26:30] >> You want a Cyclone?

[26:31] >> I I typhoon

[26:32] >> lust after the Cyclone. Not the Typhoon

[26:34] here. And if we do that episode, I'm I'm

[26:37] ruining it. It's It's 8 in shorter

[26:40] though. Hold on. It was in my notes. or

[26:41] it's only eight inches longer than Oh, a

[26:45] Kuji Corolla. Oh,

[26:46] >> it's They're tiny. They're itty bitty

[26:48] and they're black and they're like

[26:50] chunky and they're just great looking

[26:52] and they are so Have you driven one?

[26:54] >> Yeah.

[26:55] >> Stupid fast. Like dumb fast and silent.

[26:59] Like they make no noise and like it's

[27:00] just

[27:01] >> I wonder what would have happened if

[27:02] they had a decent transmission.

[27:03] >> I mean it's literally everything. I

[27:05] don't do trucks. I don't do American. I

[27:06] don't do V6s. I don't do turbos. I don't

[27:08] do all drives. I don't do automatics. I

[27:09] don't care. But we would I want it.

[27:11] Yeah. Uh, okay. Those are that's what we

[27:13] dream about. We don't have big dreams.

[27:14] We should have done a different video.

[27:16] Uh,

[27:18] thanks for watching Jason Kamisa, living

[27:21] legend. Goodbye everyone.

[27:23] >> Bye.