WoW Patch & MMO News Recap — Full Breakdown & Transcript

[01:13] >> Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Sky, lead us in. We're firing off on multiple >> cylinders tonight, ladies and gentlemen. Hawkman928 with the sub at tier one. G money with the sub at tier one. Trojan, what is going on? Gino in the

[01:29] chat, what's going on, good looking baby? How we doing? Orman Lange, 100. I don't know that guy, but welcome. I'm glad to see you. Zentron, Big Will. Ladies and gentlemen, if you guys are here bright and early

[01:43] here bright and early in the chat, let's get some ones in the chat, baby.

[01:55] >> I'm to head out. >> great week. I'll see you guys. >> We'll see you next time. >> No, but seriously, yo guys, lovely to see everyone again. It's been a very hot minute. It's been like 3 weeks.

[02:08] had to take a little bit of a break during the downtime. Me and Lance pretty much a little bit about what's going on. Uh, baby? Yo, Gino, always good to see you, man.

[02:21] Um, we pretty much have been going nonstop on World of Warcraft for about 8, 9 months straight of just nonstop

[02:33] multiple shows a week content. >> It's actually a lot longer. >> Yeah, but like I'm I'm I'm I really mean like the hype cycle, the pre-launch into this. Like it was like since

[02:47] this. Like it was like since way before housing was announced. >> So we have fully revealed like man, now it was a this break. We haven't missed February of last year. >> Yeah, I don't know. It was a very long

[03:01] time. Let me tell you. That's all that needs to be said. >> And yeah, so it was at the point where me just on World of Warcraft content pushing in general between three

[03:14] >> I've also just been working. >> whatever and yeah, so it was a lot. So we took a little bit of a break. And through this time we tried out maybe >> Oh. >> a little bit casually, just to sort of,

[03:28] you know, get our brain out of it a little bit. Big Will, what is going on, baby? Been a minute. How we doing? How we doing? I saw Classic Plus and needed some interesting stuff to talk about that today as well. And it's it's not

[03:42] like a giant show format today, but we talk about and just discuss and then just chill out and talk with you guys. you guys are giving out awesome primes today. Thank you guys. Guys, if you want

[03:55] to toss out any primes for free on the channel, you don't have to spend money, Um but if you guys want to show some love on the primes, you know, it helps keep us going and everything like that. It helps It helps us come back. You know

[04:08] interesting. >> the comeback kids if you never leave. >> That's true. Technically, you're kind of right. >> Technically, we came back. >> So, anyways, yeah,

[04:22] we played some Guild Wars. Played some Guild Wars 1, played some Guild Wars [music] 2. Uh I played some Warhammer online, >> Uh we played some Star Wars: The Old Republic.

[04:34] and then just last night we started playing some World of Warcraft again with the new patch and everything going on. And uh it's been fun, man. It's been while pop around some MMOs that I used to love

[04:49] and enjoy and just see how things were, see how things are currently. Um check some new updates and just get a general feel of the game and the space of MMORPGs because like

[05:06] is amazing. WoW does a lot of things great, like phenomenal. But it's good to see how like, "Okay, how can I get a different opinion and >> to In order to get a different opinion, you got to try other things.

[05:18] >> And here's one thing I've learned in my time away and playing other MMOs.

[05:30] >> Yes, uh G money, I owe you a dance next time I do a rank one push stream, which should be either this week or starting sometime But yes, I'm I owe you that. But yes, I do agree,

[05:43] Lance. Absolutely. Like I think World of Warcraft does some things very, very well. Right off rip, one of the best like you said. >> Yeah. >> And like when you press a button in

[05:57] World of Warcraft it's responsive. Your character does the action. There's no character does the action. There's no clunkiness going on. Like I've played three or four different MMOs in the last like month. And every single one isn't

[06:11] as fluid as World of Warcraft when it comes to just combat responsiveness and >> It's not. And I've even played Guild Wars 2 and I know people love Guild Wars want to offend a Guild Wars 2 player. They will go off the rails on you.

[06:27] That's something I've noticed. Be very careful about what you say about fans. [music] They will freak out. But >> Yeah, you definitely have to watch your mouth. I mean, of course they do they do

[06:40] great stuff. Exonic, what's going on good looking? Uh for some reason that's not working. Fun. >> Um but yeah, I would say honestly, man, I I had some I had some fun taking a step

[06:53] back. There was I enjoyed some of these games. But I will say and I I think I that we that I wasn't playing WoW or I was busy or whatever. I'm like, "Damn, I want to play WoW." >> Listen, Big Will. Obviously, don't worry

[07:07] about it, dude. Trust me. Very sorry to hear that, bro. And um >> I've been there. It's a a nuclear situation going on. It is a is a tough situation that is. If you ever uh you ever want to talk to

[07:23] community that have gone through similar things uh including me and Lance. So, up. Hit people up in the community. Uh hope everything's good with the

[07:35] God bless you, buddy. >> Yeah, definitely >> Sending sending some love toward Big Will, uh ladies and gentlemen. Um so yeah, I've been coding the next big space sim MMO in

[07:49] Yeah, okay. Trove is making an MMO. Love you, buddy. No, Trojan, stop coding What you need to do is code a >> Mhm. >> And that sim is called life. Ask Max all

[08:05] >> Ooh. >> The painting process has started on the Lich King. Yo, that's insane. Exonic, by the way, when we get that I actually think I can send people to your store.

[08:19] I'm not even kidding. Unironically, not even joking. Uh okay, on it, boss. Oh, no. You sound like one of those like people you find in looking for group for a raid. On it, boss. And

[08:32] anyways, but yeah, man, it's been It's been a doozy of a month, guys. The patch just released um just yesterday. A pretty cool release. Me and Lance got on a little bit. We were playing the uh heroic world

[08:45] tier. And uh cool content. I got to say, I think I think there's a lot of good that comes out of it. And, you know, just for uh just for you guys, we'll hop on over really quick. Uh let me see if I can

[08:57] pull it up for you all. What I What I really enjoyed about the heroic world tier is is what I think it could mean for the for it to come out now, just for what it is.

[09:12] >> Like if this was something that came out maybe even at the point five patch. Right? Like you add this in instead of even ritual sites, maybe. >> That could be cool. Or even at the start of a patch, some

[09:26] sort of heroic world tier while you're doing this in the main story quest. >> You know You know, my character what I'm 270 279. if I'm alone, it still feels dangerous. Like I have to

[09:40] you're going to get your butt whooped. You're going to get your butt whooped. much everyone has been. And right now guys, it's a perfect time and to just chill and and relax. Maybe try a couple different games, check out

[09:56] Uh see if there's anything on sta- on sale that you've always wanted to try be. Always such a good time because give it Watch, I'm telling you the announcement of the new season is going to come

[10:11] sometime this week or maybe if we're not lucky early next week. All Lance was either saying Thursday or next week. So, I Thursday, Friday-ish or next week.

[10:24] >> My prediction was today. Yeah, well, tough [ __ ] And then I changed it to >> Yeah, so um Yeah, so we we're playing some content and um I think right now it's a good

[10:36] refresh cuz the new season's going to come out and then the hype is going to come back out and then it's going to be all hands on deck on wow again. So, um before that happens, definitely definitely a good time. But um quickly I

[10:49] ladies and gentlemen, and we could even rate some of these together. Um some of these systems Let me see if I could drag this down. Make it look There you go. Uh I want to rate some of these systems with you guys together. Almost not in

[11:02] rating consistency. >> Just first impression. >> Yeah. Um and we're going to rate it first impression S tier through F tier. Where would we rate it? Um right off the rip, we got a The first one is heroic

[11:16] Um you know, travel to one of the two new zones. You encounter the you know, the harder the harder mobs, the world quests, uh couple new systems there, the Uh Mega, what up, good looking? I was just thinking about you yesterday, by

[11:30] the way. Hope everything's good, buddy. Hope Hope everything's good. Miss you, and we could sort of rate this thing together. So, right off the rip, Lance, how do you feel about heroic world tier? Right now, like just it's in in its

[11:45] first iteration on what it can do for the game and how does it play? How does >> Well, I I do want to and I said it yesterday, it does feel >> Yeah. >> Okay, but things I love about it. I love

[11:59] >> Yes. >> that it's very compact. >> Yeah, I was going to say that. >> Uh it also it feels dangerous. Like I'm >> Yeah. >> Like obviously, you know, it's not the

[12:13] >> Yeah. >> Um I think the rewards are a little weak for how late it came in the season. for how late it came in the season. It's fun. OH, RB.

[12:28] SHAMAN. RB WITH A $10. GUYS, if you're in chat, chat, man. Show some love to your community members. RB states HWT heroic world tier is an experiment with actual live retail. Wow. Granted

[12:43] that we all know it was a major when it was in remix, it's an experiment right now. If it's a hit, better believe it'll be a major game feature. >> Um and I think it needs to be I think it but I think it should also be something

[12:55] that you could turn on from level one and do in Chromie time. And make your more XP or maybe you get more rewards. Maybe they add transmogs if you level from one to max in heroic world tier. >> I don't know. Maybe add challenges like

[13:09] go heroic world tier and go deathless, you get a reward or something. I don't know. But definitely, it's it makes the world feel alive again. >> Listen, I'm going to be so real.

[13:22] >> Listen, I'm going to be so real. The open world in retail sucks. And that's just the truth. After the first two weeks of the season, lit a season, not a patch, a season being open,

[13:35] open world is dead. And dead not in the sense of no one's doing content. I just mean in the sense of it's just trivial. There's it feel bleh. Like everything's a one-shot fest, nothing's

[13:47] difficult, nothing's scary, nothing's dangerous. You just fly around from like simulator to simulator to event and event and then you're doing dungeons and Like heroic world tier is the first time not

[14:02] only do mobs feel dangerous, I actually feel somewhat rewarded doing activities >> Well, because there's a little bit of friction there. >> are lame.

[14:17] I mean, I'm I'm the only thing that would make me like give me power now is myth gear and and myth crest, right? So I don't think it needs to be that, but if it comes earlier in the season, it

[14:29] could be good. Yeah. Right? Um and it could be a legitimate way for people to kind of bridge that gap. The elves, this it could give solo players a lot of [ __ ] to do. >> Now, design-wise,

[14:43] it's tough because it let's say you launch it right off rip, right? >> It's something to work to. >> How do we design this thing to where difficulty so >> where it's difficult enough where when

[14:57] you go in there it's like, "Whoa, like I'm I'm getting my ass whooped." >> Like you shouldn't be able to go in there and just lollygag around. Like I start. >> Yeah, you should treat it as like a

[15:09] heroic zone. Like it needs to feel like it's deadly. You cannot fly around. You're running around on your mount. World quests give good resources, whether it be gold, currency, faction reputation, uh it could be even

[15:25] profession material like whatever it is that that world quest is giving, give me a lot of. Not only that, there should be open world events. Like I I mean there's so many things they can add and implement.

[15:39] >> Yeah, there could be a ton of things to make it way better. And I think it's possible. And I think it's there. But as a first iteration to just start, I do I'm I'm excited more about the future than what

[15:55] >> Yes. Yes. >> So, for that reason, personally, I'm going to rate it just for now on how it was implemented, 11.0.7 or 12.0.7, sorry.

[16:09] [ __ ] war within brain. Um I'm personally going to rate it a B, Okay? Now, I want to hear what you guys would rate heroic world tiers first iteration right now. We're talking first

[16:24] iteration, okay? This This is not even like near final product, then you're looking at something A plus, maybe S. But we're we're at it like first iteration. Personally, I'm looking B, maybe even B

[16:37] Lance, what are we talking about? And be honest. No lying, your own personal >> actually going to say A. A or B? if I play >> what an A is.

[16:50] at this point in the season where my gear is not that good still, this would still be very valuable to me. Okay? And if it was valuable, then it's then it's a lot of fun. You think

[17:05] A is very high. Like where would you rate delves right now? >> I think this season delves are a B. >> Okay. >> I think this is better than delves. Now, where we where are we at with pray?

[17:19] >> Pray is pretty good. >> That's understandable. So So So you're looking at C with pray. >> A minus, okay. Ramfis says B minus, G money says B

[17:32] minus, Jaros says B minus, G walls says B B minus, pray is dead. >> Yeah, pray is tough. Man, they need to they need to add to pray cuz pray is about to be straight up gonzo if they don't add to it. They need to

[17:45] that system go. It has potential. >> very hard if if you're rating it based off of what you can get out of heroic world tier for your guys' mains though >> It's full mythic gear at this point.

[17:59] >> It's The thing is is it's not bad. The problem is, right, is we spent what, over an hour goofing off in heroic world tier doing quests, the quest lines, world quest. >> Um Juan, what's up, baby?

[18:14] baby. Always good to see you. >> Um we So, for example, ladies and gentlemen, when it comes to rewards and and feeling like rewarded for doing the some comeback kid icons in the chat. We just hit our 10 out of 10 sub goal.

[18:31] Uh I think we got like six or seven tonight. Chill on that. Uh and uh yeah. YouTube and Twitch, please. >> You already did that. >> But anyways, um the rewards for it like Lance said

[18:46] not that good. And the problem isn't because the rewards for this specific mode is bad. It's just the simple fact that the rewards for the void forge and the bonus rolls in mythic plus is too strong. It's way too powerful. And not

[19:00] only that, like now you have the spore fall raid, you can use bonus rolls in there. It's like >> No, it just came too late in the season for for what it is, but >> You know, if they if they make season

[19:14] that's >> Yeah. That would be sick. >> Like imagine if we can get Eversong Woods heroic world tier. >> I mean, think about this. This is going to sound crazy. What if

[19:28] anytime you did heroic world tier, it scaled that world's content to your scaled that world's content to your level? So, you can go back to any zone I And this is the big end game, right? And this is me thinking way far ahead

[19:41] player that loves to do that thing, right? Imagine going back to any zone in the entire game, whether it be Elwynn Forest, it can be Westfall, it can be Redridge, it can be Thousand Needles,

[19:54] Stranglethorn, any zone you could ever imagine, but it's scaled to a heroic world tier level to get increased rewards from either that expansion or current expansion content or you know, things to go back there and a reason to

[20:09] >> Interesting. >> Like >> Here's Here's where I know wild players would [ __ ] on you for it. still there? Don't know if that ever was a goal, but that it would be insane.

[20:22] >> be the wrong streamer. >> Uh no, but yes, it is still there. >> We're We're 1,000% short. You could start with 1% right now. right now. Um so, here's where wild players would get

[20:35] pissed at you, right? They'd say, "I don't want Redridge to be hard. Now stronger." >> Yeah, well, they're idiots. >> [laughter] >> They are idiots because Yeah, you don't

[20:51] You could go to the easy version, but this would then allow it them to utilize the entire What if What if they just said this week Wrath of the Lich King is out there. >> Yeah.

[21:04] going to there. This is fun. >> Yeah. >> By the way, then you don't even need to world tier where if you do the done the raids become like all of them become

[21:17] >> This is fun. >> Or time running. You could go do quests there. You could do the dungeons there on like a mythic zero level and you can >> Woah. Woah. Woah. >> I mean, [ __ ] dude.

[21:29] >> I mean, [ __ ] dude. >> Get this guy a [ __ ] contract. walking. That's it. That's what you just invented. could be >> Yeah, maybe I don't want to do a do it

[21:42] >> Yeah, maybe bi-weekly and then you have a week off. >> minute details, but that's a good that's a cool idea and I I think that would be Blizzard's calling him now. That's crazy. No, but I I think something like

[21:56] that is genius because guys like sort of Lance fed off the idea. I was like, you know, okay, how can we sort of implement it in the older world? [ __ ] that. [ __ ] the whole every zone all the time. Have it just be expansion

[22:09] >> Yep. >> You know, time walking heroic world tier where every single expansion has a time like a heroic world tier event where you can crank it on and it's hard as [ __ ] The world quests are difficult. The zone

[22:23] quests are difficult. You can get increased reputation, currency, and rewards from those expansions. Brand new exclusive recolored transmogs, mounts, uh a ton of stuff. It could be decorations for housing. It could be

[22:37] >> You could you could put recolored of whatever whatever your class is most iconic transmog was from that expansion. achievements, you start getting yeah, whatever. Recolor [ __ ]

[22:51] >> Do like mini remixes once a month or even if it's every other >> Blizzard has joined the chat. That would be insane. Dude, that would be insane. >> And by the way, also What's the biggest problem with Remix?

[23:05] >> Sky. >> This is Scott here, and I got Lance. >> This is Scott here, and I got Lance. He needs a 999 contract today. Get it going, star? >> You're insane.

[23:17] >> We signed it, sorry. >> What's a lot of people's biggest like thing they don't want to do with Remix? Difficult. No, they don't want to Yeah, hard, but they also don't want to have to make a new character. True. Right?

[23:31] >> You know what would be cool, like you can even just level through heroic world like Man, guys, wouldn't Yo, this is so This chromie. >> Raise your hand if you would love to

[23:48] re-level some classes, but everything you do is like super difficult and hard. I don't know about you guys. I would love to level a brand new warlock and be like, "Yeah, let me go struggle my ass off in every single dungeon, every

[24:04] quest, every everything, and then get certain achievements that unlock things certain achievements that unlock things like tabards or like cosmetics or titles >> Well, what if >> Like for every class that you got to

[24:16] level 90 in heroic world tier, maybe maybe even add more challenges to it, like a a warlock, you get master demonologist or some crazy [ __ ] It can even be like a a different spell effect or something.

[24:32] You know what I mean? Hardcore retail. I I mean, it sounds like a meme, but like implement >> challenges into the game. >> challenges into the game. >> Yeah, why not? Solo self-found hardcore

[24:45] >> [music] >> removed from the challenge because I I personally think deleting it's just so mean. Like In in the big 2026, what are going to delete the I don't have time for that. Maybe, like, if your character

[25:01] challenge, not literally deleted from existence. I think that's kind of crazy. Maybe that's just stupid. Maybe that's stupid. If you do it, you get an I don't know. I don't [ __ ]

[25:17] Um but either way, um no, I I I don't see a reason why not. And I think I die, you can't access heroic till tomorrow. Holy [ __ ] that's crazy. Could

[25:29] you imagine? A death in heroic world tier, you're literally done for. pal. >> Yo, I'd be pissed as [ __ ] "You cost me my game time, you son of a bitch."

[25:44] cosmetics weren't lame like some of the gear we have. Oh, yeah. I would say about 50% of cosmetics in retail are just overblown crap. >> Problem is that that happens, classic Andys will come to retail. Good.

[25:58] the point because Guild Wars 3 was announced, ladies and gentlemen, and the and better developers. You got to understand, we can't have a war with classic players anymore. It's actually a war against other MMOs

[26:13] >> Yeah. >> As one. >> Yeah, wow. I like that. If you die, you're gone. Just have certain servers living, that's Yeah, I agree. I think you do the same thing that they do. You

[26:25] can transfer your character, whatever, right? Anyways, uh heroic world tier, I think we can all relatively agree right now in the very first iteration around a B to B plus A minus-ish range. Um not bad. Uh omnium folio

[26:42] >> It's just a bland borrowed power system. They didn't take any risks with this. I interesting like like what was the system from BfA? the I want something cool, man. I I like just out of control. Like let's do it,

[26:57] [ __ ] it. Let's have fun. My only Yeah, my only problem with it is just boring. Yeah, this is boring. It's like it's you're just adding it just to add it. It's not actually fun. It's worse than like the cloak from

[27:11] Karash. And it's worse than Cersei's like signet? Yeah. What about the belt? And it's worse than I think they just did this now cuz now they don't have to make three systems

[27:23] for the expansion. It's just one and they add on to it. Stupid. Don't like it. Um but yeah, I personally I would rate this probably a D. There's nothing really fun about this. I

[27:35] would just put it right C. Sure. I I guess. Um the Wrath of the is cool. I watched the fight, haven't done it. Looks cool. Yeah, I I think

[27:47] this is cool. Once again, I would probably rate this around a B. with this, but like one boss raid end of if you're if you're rocking with your guild, do it. Have fun, enjoy it. What

[28:01] guys think it's cool? Do you guys think this is bad? Terrible, good design, bad design, what are we thinking here? What's the general mount. I actually really like that mount. Yeah, I want to get that mount.

[28:14] Uh currently on the eighth kill in mythic today. Yo, are you How? Is it mythic today. Yo, are you How? Is it that easy? hop on. It's a good one boss raid for for the

[28:28] end of the season, yeah. B B C B C. I tanked it on heroic, it was not hard. Mhm, interesting. Do we just I guess we have to send that

[28:42] out heroic and then try to kill mythic and bang our heads against the wall. >> I mean remember it's flex you just need 15. You could chain bonus roll it. >> Yeah, apparently you can just keep

[28:57] >> That's got to be a bug. Maybe it's not actually. my ass in there. >> Yeah, I on my warlock I definitely need

[29:12] to get in there like 100% Re-rolling is nice to get 298 quick. You can run as many times that you have rolls. Wow. >> How hard is it on mythic? >> Yeah guys on a difficulty level like what boss is it equivalent to like

[29:26] Like around there or is it like twin dragons difficult? Like what are we thinking in terms of difficulty? Has Has anyone done it on mythic that know the >> Scalder will know. >> Scalder, what are we thinking?

[29:39] roll? Wait, there's a quest that gives you >> I'm Ares >> It's It's difficult but it's doable. >> I'm Ares is the one boss rate in the in the Antorus the Burning

[29:54] >> All right. Gino says it's stupid easy. Gino is it Gino says it's stupid easy. Gino is it easier than Chimaras? Be honest. >> If that's true whatever. >> hard as Chimaras that's very doable.

[30:09] >> It's an ad fight? Big seed of corruption. Want to be a big seed. I've done it on three tunes. >> About as tough as Veracious? >> No, shut up. You're a liar.

[30:25] >> Wait, Veracious is the first boss. >> Imperator? >> There's no way it's the first boss difficult. There's no way.

[30:38] Gino's a dog but >> than heroic Lora? It's easier, [ __ ] off. >> Wait, heroic Laura Laura is >> about like a boss a boss one through

[30:51] three range. A mythic boss one through three, okay. Add fight I have fun so okay okay okay. All right, I mean there it is. Um I have not done the lore walking so I can't even rate this.

[31:05] always think lore walking is very good for the game but I also like to do it as a one two punch with the story campaign when is ever it's active. And because Blizzard loves their players, uh they actually delayed the story

[31:18] campaign a month. So we don't get to play that. We also don't get to do turbulent timeways. >> June Wait, it ends that we made? What do you think of it? Good.

[31:31] middle when you called me. Right in the middle watching it. guys. >> August 11th Wow, so >> August 11th it ends. Then I was >> that's coming back again.

[31:44] >> exactly right of when Man, I've just yeah. Let us see. Let us see. There's actually a lot for me to do. I have a lot of reasons to play the game

[31:58] right now. If you guys want to see me rant a little bit on uh World of channel. We're going to start posting content like pretty consistently on there on just anything going on talking discussing. Um so yeah, I'm going to I'm

[32:10] going to start getting back into uh first second and third channel content. tomorrow on the second channel news video. Already have some plans for the we're going to be more consistent. So if you guys are interested, uh definitely

[32:22] going to be posting on that third channel. Um so yeah, turbulent timeways I would love to play some turbulent timeways and log in with some old >> That one makes sense because they're They're to make it so turbulent time

[32:36] starts. >> I get it. Yeah, haha, very funny. But how about this, Blizzard? Wholeheartedly. >> [laughter] >> I'm just chilling. Uh all jokes aside,

[32:51] I don't care. It's not really my problem. Like don't advertise this as as going to give it to me and you know, jerk my ween for 3 weeks

[33:03] >> to get that now. >> Like that's not cool. Like I don't know. >> I don't know. >> Um going on with this patch. So unless there's stuff like that. Man, I don't

[33:17] know what's going on. There's just no class changes anymore, right guys? Like they're probably doing big reworks for the next to class updates and changes. Like it's donezo.

[33:29] waits, uh I think it's >> How many weeks from the patch? >> Well, how many weeks is >> How many weeks is turbulent time waits? >> Six.

[33:41] >> the week after turbulent time waits ends. >> Uh either way though, let's uh let's continue. Um very interesting, ladies and gentlemen. Uh

[33:55] I know this may not be a lot of you guys' cup of tea, but a lot of information going on. [ __ ] off. With classic plus potentially and classic in general, uh a big hot topic in the community

[34:08] right now. Um data miners may have just uncovered the next iteration of World of Warcraft classic, which could be code named Project Camelot. very, very interesting. While Blizzard continues their fight against private

[34:23] servers about, you know, the last couple weeks how they're bunch of servers including Ascension, which was in my opinion the biggest Um and the community speculates about the future Wild Classic. Stiven, I guess

[34:37] has recently shared the heroic and epic versions of a World of Warcraft Camelot >> really interesting heroic and epic versions of said

[34:49] I guess content patch? Like And this is something they usually do, you know, with like they've done TBC heroic or epic edition upgrades. They've done um you know, retail wow all that. They do

[35:03] put out, they do heroic and epic versions. It's the the tier ups. >> What if Classic Plus is not even on Azeroth? name they're using for whatever it's actually called.

[35:16] >> But what if it was actually in Camelot? >> All right, are you done? >> You're so fried, bro. >> King Arthur. >> All right. Anyways, >> um new heroic and epic licenses for the

[35:28] World of Warcraft Camelot were pushed. Not much information about it, but it does look like a brand new wow game unrelated to the current midnight/last Titan. I suspect Classic Plus everyone talks about. Okay, I did look more and

[35:42] talks about. Okay, I did look more and can confirm it 100% is patch 1.6. can confirm it 100% is patch 1.6. Or 1.60 in main line Camelot. So, um World of Warcraft

[35:55] is based on like the 1.0 sort of patch release release engine or whatever it's called. Uh drops shout out to you, baby. Hope everything's good. Uh don't worry, we're

[36:08] get that 1% title. I'm not done. Think I'm finished. Still got that to do. I'm finished. Still got that to do. Um but um but yeah, so 1.6 is a part of the classic string of release. And uh I believe

[36:26] classic? Wasn't it like >> 1.1.1 or 1.12? >> Some [ __ ] >> with classic they were using 1.13. >> Much love. >> Much love, man. Much love.

[36:42] But yes, you guys can see. So, interesting here, uh and while Blizzard information related to this new mainline game, it's been confirmed that it is related to the mysterious patch of 1.6 that has been visible on Blizzard's

[36:55] that has been visible on Blizzard's internal servers since October 2025. >> Oh. >> Um a good amount of time for an internal

[37:07] server to be up completely, just one and done internally testing. Which leaves you to believe that this definitely falls within the classic category of everything. And they're they're just going crazy. What's

[37:22] >> Uh >> Uh and the top 1% is like 3780 something. So, I'm I'm like two dungeons behind, but um I'm going to get some I'm going to run this mythic raid, get a bunch of loot, get stronger, and then

[37:38] make a huge huge push to get ahead and probably go for a zillion 20s. And uh I should be near like >> 4K. Yeah. But we'll see what's going on with that.

[37:51] play affliction. I'm going to get some borrowed power with the folio in 4 weeks. Crazy. Um with all the various teasers from Blizzard, uh yeah, yeah, Longdale, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. So, yeah, I mean, very interesting

[38:05] stuff, guys. Uh do you guys think this is classic plus? Lance, what are we thinking? >> Yeah, I mean, 100%. I mean, what are we talking about? I don't know uh

[38:17] But like, they're all making videos and talking about this and like could this be classic plus like Bro, we all know it's getting announced at BlizzCon. I've been saying it for literally like 3

[38:31] BlizzCon, I said, "Yeah, they're announcing it." That's when they're announcing classic plus. What are we talking? The amount of videos you'll see on one topic.

[38:44] >> It sucks. I'm going to be real, [ __ ] sucks and uh it's it's just tough. I don't know how long you can it is what it is. Uh whatever this project Camelot turns out to be,

[38:58] Blizzard is apparently considering two separate purchase options for the game once it becomes available. Will these versions include like the classic bundles, or will they include 3-day early access similar to

[39:11] Midnight's epic edition? That's interesting. Um well, first of like man, Oblivion, where they introduced cosmetics for purchasing the game

[39:25] um in a different, you know, like what is the word? In a different tier. Um on. Um but ever since then, it's a very, very

[39:38] common thing for video games to add one or two skins for video games to add one or two skins to a purchase or a pack, XYZ. Every MMO >> But yeah, by the way, if your if if your question are they going to add things

[39:52] like that? 100%. Yeah. >> So, I the question I was going to lead to ask was, do you guys think they're going to add some sort of mount, cosmetic, transmog, or whatever? Or

[40:05] they've been working >> Are they going to try to monetize something that they've been working on for 3 to 4 years? Yes. Hm.

[40:19] I mean yeah. Be dogs that just want to wag their tails again. >> [laughter] man, poor classic creators, bro. >> [laughter]

[40:39] >> And the amount was with an auctioneer and I'll buy whichever version. >> They're def I mean they're going to want to make money. They're investing in a whole team and they have this whole team now working on this project.

[40:51] >> For now it looks like over 10 months. >> Much longer than that, bro. >> like the final bill is >> only that I mean they've they've now had like actual classic every other version of

[41:03] classic's pretty much been on life support with like very limited support. >> they make it a simple block box price of even just 30 bucks. >> They're going to go standard is going to be the 40, they're going to have a 60,

[41:17] and they're going to have like a 90. Guaranteed. >> We'll see. If I'm them, I'm thinking hey, let me make let me start at 29.99. And we'll go $10 above every tier.

[41:30] >> Because I think the cheaper you go, the better the better chance you have of getting every MMO player out there to come try it. that's what I think. But we'll see. I don't know. I I I don't

[41:43] know [ __ ] No one knows [ __ ] And that's the thing about that like I don't I >> bro. >> That's the thing I don't love talking about classic content in general because and that's why I stopped making content

[41:56] on classic in general simply because it's nothing but just speculation all the time. And it like I feel like you're a fraud in a way. Like you're just a phony. You're sitting here talking about things

[42:09] that are just like not it it's nothing's confirmed, nothing's real. How are you going to make content as a content creator speculating things and putting these ideas to people that just aren't true. Like I I never understood that.

[42:24] Like there have been so many creators I've seen in the classic space literally talk about and swear up and down about all this stuff that just it's not love you, buddy. Um I'll see you, dude.

[42:38] >> Thank you so much for for stopping by. >> else for them to talk about, to just They got to talk about them. >> [ __ ] spew. >> Right. And then um another one

[42:52] that I wanted to uh check out. >> Oh, Zachary with a member for 1 month. Yo, guys, if you're in the channel right now, let's get some comeback kid icons in the chat for Zach. Shoutout to you,

[43:04] baby. Thank you, man. I appreciate the lou. Thank thank you. lou. Thank thank you. Um thank you, buddy. Appreciate it. Um Data miner spot World of Warcraft Camelot in Blizzard's servers. So, um

[43:18] >> No. >> Oh, you didn't Wait, you didn't see >> Yeah. >> Oh, you didn't see the leak? >> This is going to be fresh. Oh, no, this now I have to pull up a

[43:37] Hold on a second. Now I got to pull it up on the big big screen just just for Lance. This is why I say Lance needs to get on Twitter, guys. Lance isn't on Twitter. Now,

[43:49] this is a current leak that's been floating around, okay, Lance? On the scheduling of everything World of Warcraft, okay? So, we have mainline expansions, you

[44:03] know, War Within, the timing of it, Midnight release, last Titan, and then beyond, right? Now, scrolling back, classic >> Is it really? >> Or look at midnight.

[44:17] Definitely didn't release release in the middle of Q2. >> actually like right here. um this is project Camelot in classic.

[44:30] So, this was Cata, classic fresh leading into mop, TBC wrath, right? But then, era {slash} Camelot is going to be released around BlizzCon, quarter four,

[44:43] a little shortly after. >> What is that? What what is >> Camelot is not >> It's not classic plus. Alliance. Camelot is not classic plus. It's official.

[44:56] >> It's not World of Warcraft? >> No, it could be a different mode like >> Okay. >> And classic plus is different, and they King. >> Well, I I've been saying they want to do

[45:09] Wrath of the Lich King after or classic plus after Wrath. >> And then, Camelot season two is going to come. Camelot theme, and they've been working on it this whole time?

[45:23] >> The Dark Age of [ __ ] you. >> actual Dark Age of Camelot, that was 2030. >> A classic fresh again? >> Another classic fresh in the middle of 2028.

[45:42] think >> Also, their timeline on the last Titan's >> way, your eyebrows are punching together in sort of wonder. But first of all, this is going to happen either way, and guess

[45:54] who's going to be there. All the same Joe Schmoes. >> Classic There's not going to be another classic fresh. >> I don't know. After classic plus releases, I don't think so.

[46:07] >> But anyways, uh Camelot and classic plus are actually different. think now I'm actually excited for what Camelot is. >> If that's true. Would I prefer it? Sure, yeah. I would

[46:21] prefer to them to stall. >> Yeah, I would prefer them to stall as long as possible. Let's do Wrath of the Lich King. Let's do whatever the [ __ ] Camelot is. And then move into classic plus.

[46:34] >> If classic plus What's live ops? Like live operation? What is that? >> That'd be like uh the team that works on remix. be the era >> would be an event kind of like remix.

[46:49] >> But then get ready for this. An RTS called Warcraft Chronicles and then an ARPG based around Arthas. >> That's sick. >> Hold on, wait. Guys, they're cooking.

[47:03] >> The Chronicles uh >> Live action series? >> And an anime series? No. >> Yeah. that's they can't rumble. >> Wait, they can't rumble.

[47:15] >> No, but this is real. >> They can't No. Warcraft Legends? is a leak. >> Legends? all China. >> Yo, China gets

[47:27] >> Damn. >> But apparently there's an Arthas ARPG and a Warcraft Chronicles RTS. >> ARPG, do they mean ARPG like Diablo or >> ARPG, do they mean ARPG like Diablo or do they mean ARPG like

[47:42] like God of War. >> This is all fake, Napple. There's a zero real, by the way. By the way, good to see you, buddy. >> Also, why is the live action series in the Arthas ARPG section?

[47:55] >> Cuz I assume they want to do a live-action series on Earth. And then they're going to do an anime series on whatever Warcraft Chronicles all, thanks. >> and then they have some arcade stuff,

[48:09] leak, bro. I'm I know it's >> Don't believe in this leak, yeah. This is all a big scam. But, this is what's been floating around >> at the top. >> Yeah, yeah, of course, of course.

[48:23] Yes, yes. And why is it always on an Android cell phone? Can anyone like break that down Like, why does everyone's fake leak have to be on an Android? Like, you can't just You You can't just

[48:35] take a screenshot on your PC? Like, what era do we live in? >> When When did this come out? >> Like, 2 days ago. announced or after? >> Uh our boy

[48:49] reacted uh says, "How in the world does a team leak something classified as confidential? And now my grandmother rolling on her wheelchair knows about it? This got to be fake, and if it's not, boys a support job on keeping

[49:02] Um something else interesting uh could be nothing, but there is a mention of the Shendorei race. Unsure now if this is for classic plus or retail, but it could be connected to

[49:16] TB EBD NPC race one and two horde/alliance. Um but possibly the skyborn thing that we data mined back in 12.0.5. I don't know what that is. What is that? >> Skyborn is like um hit me on that.

[49:30] Basically, blood elves who are from like the uh Hinterlands. >> Interesting. >> Facial hair. >> Hi, Mary. How are you? What do you guys think of that? What's up with this?

[49:43] alliance. >> That'd be High elf alliance. Blood elf horde, do you mean? >> Amani and Ethereals, all right. >> Yeah, you just walk up, click, and buy it.

[49:55] >> Yeah, that one looks really good. >> Definitely, definitely go do that. So, very interesting thing there, too, that that I saw. And this was the original one. Shout out to Shadow for the 9-month member. Holy [ __ ] that's insane.

[50:08] last Titan is getting slept on low-key. Let me tell you. >> They're definitely going to give us last Titan news at BlizzCon. >> out some big like Okay, before we get into our next topic, man, I would love

[50:24] if my [ __ ] would work today. It's when he clicks on this thing. >> Okay. Um Before we get into some of the other number one, I want to talk about Classic Plus, and then no one let me forget

[50:37] I want to discuss last Titan. Retail beyond. So, first of all, the Classic Plus thing, personally, I think best-case scenario, they have another some sort of fun Season of Discovery-like game mode

[50:51] called Camelot released in, you know, at the end of this year, post-BlizzCon, like they said, "Hey, just like they did last surprise, and this is going to be released in 2 months from now. Haha, you

[51:06] know?" That would be awesome. And then that keeps everyone's mind off And it leads us into Classic Plus eventually after this is finished. buddy. Which side is he on? As well, insane.

[51:21] Now, personally, I think that would be a better idea because you go from Camelot into Wrath of the Lich King into Classic Plus. And that is plenty of time for them to cook up the best Classic Plus we could probably ever

[51:33] imagine. Thoughts on that? another seasonal thing, bro. >> Yeah. Oh my god, I almost just got just said out of my I was about to say some crazy [ __ ]

[51:48] >> because I'm I've never like if that's true, I've never heard of a pickier, whinier, bitchier player base than than that one. that one. >> I just don't know like man.

[52:01] >> they started they turned on Season of Discovery when they realized it wasn't the forever classic plus? >> So, it doesn't that forever video game does not exist. It doesn't exist whether it's retail wild, Guild Wars 3, Riot

[52:14] MMO. It doesn't matter. The forever game are perfect, it does not exist. We have to get that out of our heads. The last >> Classic plus is going to be that, bro. Like that's it. It's done. Watch your

[52:28] mouth before I put some soap in it. Okay? >> I'm going to spank your little bottom. >> I can't I really can't do this anymore. >> Bro, classic plus is a forever game. Stop.

[52:42] >> That's the problem and that's the problem with the community. They're going to sit here and hold on to that thought and when it doesn't end up the say it's a [ __ ] hole. That's what happens with modern gaming now it

[52:56] It has to be the best game of all time or it's just a [ __ ] >> Or it's AI slop. >> Or it's just slop. Yeah. >> I'm back, kid. Retail is that. Listen, say what you

[53:09] >> way, you're right. It is 20 years. >> Listen, I'm not saying anything, but I've always come back to retail. I'll leave it at that. personally.

[53:23] Necro, what up good looking? How we doing? But for me it is technically when it comes to classic plus, personally, I would love for them to take as long as possible. I would hope for an end 2027 release date. They go

[53:37] for an end 2027 release date. They go end of 2026 this Camelot thing and end of 2027 Classic Plus or uh early spring 2028 Classic Plus then. That's what I would prefer. Let it cook.

[53:51] >> Don't release anywhere near Last Titan. Yeah, do not do that. That is a big So, either they're going to rush it out or they're going to take super long. BlizzCon. Nerdy, what up? How we doing?

[54:06] there. Um other than that, also I wanted to Um other than that, also I wanted to talk about Last Titan. Last Titan, yes. Um now, when it comes to retail and beyond, right? You guys have to

[54:21] understand the industry right now with MMOs in general, Guild Wars 3 officially announced. First of all, that is a big segment that I want to wrap up the uh stream on talking about some of that

[54:33] stuff cuz they have an update over on that game as well. Um very, very big deal. Out of nowhere, it seemed like the MMO community was straight-up, honestly, on its [ __ ] last legs. Between Lord of the Rings MMO getting

[54:47] uh Ashes of Creation was the biggest scam, literally, of all time. Unchained, when's >> hold on. Wait. Not in terms of like money donated or literal scam. I just mean in the sense of people had the

[55:02] highest hopes for it and it let them down the biggest out of everything ever. >> Oh, Cane's off. >> Yo, Cane Sauce is a crazy name to have, >> Dave Sauce better than Cane Sauce. >> Shoutout to you with the Twitch Prime

[55:15] sub. Guys, let's get some comeback hit icons in the chat. Wow too? Yeah, [ __ ] That's what I was kind of going to lead into in a minute. Now, when it comes to Last Titan, I'm going to be real. I don't see them doing anything

[55:28] absolutely crazy. I see them almost pulling their punches design. And then prepping the sort of post And then prepping the sort of post um the post last Titan saga situation.

[55:43] Like, what is that? Is Is it a wild two situation? Is it an updated like gameplay overhaul? Is it a graphical update? Like, what is it, Lance? What are you thinking? They didn't There's no way they're not

[55:57] like they didn't frame these three expansions as the World Soul Saga without them thinking of something massive happening afterwards. Right?

[56:09] Because if there's not how do you Like, how does the next next expansion even get me hyped? is is is Metzen going to get back on stage in 2029 and be like

[56:23] "Guys I'm here to announce the next saga where you're still going to get your eight dungeons, one raid, four zones Like, they have to, you know they got to go huge.

[56:39] again. Or hey guys, we're redoing this. Hey, we're redoing combat completely. Hey, we're porting We're porting World of Warcraft to a new engine. Something

[56:52] give. Right? To get in my opinion, to get people hyped, you know. Um I don't know. I could agree I mean, you

[57:05] guys got to understand from even Guild Wars' perspective they made it very clear they're investing in the future of what an MMO should look like. You guys got to understand WoW has been running on the

[57:18] same style of engine for 20-plus [ __ ] years. for 20-plus [ __ ] years. Like, there has to come a point where we say to ourselves, "Hey enough is enough.

[57:32] We got to make some sort of major change or update, whether it's a new engine, whether it's a graphical update {slash} overhaul, whether it's a gameplay overhaul or update. Because well, it's just they keep

[57:46] talking about how they they want to like Holly says many times in many different they want this game to go on for another 10, 20 years. engine. You can't go 40 years on the same engine.

[57:59] >> Because I think half the reason why these patches are coming out so these patches are coming out so bad these days is the code and like the code is a mess. The engine is just

[58:11] By the way, they're really beating this thing. From what I've heard by the way also, I heard this patch was a [ __ ] mess on >> I haven't played I haven't really played this patch, but I've heard this patch

[58:24] this patch has been like like terrible on bugs? Cuz that's what I've heard. I don't know if that's true or not. I I really couldn't say, but I Well, one thing Blizzard does pretty good is even if they were going to make

[58:39] >> Bug City. >> run, buddy. came back to Versailles and feel like the graphics are so outdated. I I'm going to be honest. They're they're stylized,

[58:54] I know are. Like I'll be real, I'm a ginormous WoW fan. Like like I I I don't mind it, but like I think they're going stylized in the direction that I don't Like like like I don't know. Like I don't

[59:07] know how to say. Like there's some things that look a lot better in modern that I wouldn't want them to do is try to make it look realistic. No, I think that's a bad idea.

[59:22] But what about like maybe darker a little bit instead of so like I don't know like everything's kind of >> Void storm isn't. >> Yeah, but like okay.

[59:35] Void storm is cool. But even some of the mobs, I'm not saying all of them cuz scary in there. But other like like for example like the void lieutenants, they could have looked a lot scarier. Like they pulled back

[59:48] punches on those guys a lot. Like Voracious, first raid boss. Like he he like Like he's cool looking but like he could have looked a lot darker, a lot tougher, a lot scarier. Like yo, it should be terrifying. But

[1:00:03] we're like we're dealing with the eternal darkness that is supposed to consume everything and every like anything and everything in its path. anything and everything in its path. Like it should look very dark and creepy

[1:00:15] Like it should look very dark and creepy and terrifying. Terrifying sound design. Like I don't know. >> Sound like Asmon? >> No, it's I I know you're meming, but you

[1:00:27] know what I mean. I Like there's there's great parts of course about retail and I think some of the mobs could have been scary. There are some mobs that are creatures out there that creep me the [ __ ] out. Or like that one boss uh

[1:00:42] >> Yeah. >> They did good on him. >> dragons were cool. I thought they were cool. >> But like I'm just saying certain mobs >> I don't think art is a problem.

[1:00:55] The art team every like it looks good for what it is. I just think um can do. >> AI realism looking Yeah, no no no. Definitely you don't want any like unreal engine

[1:01:10] boo boo like [ __ ] that [ __ ] Yeah, those those videos where it's AI like this is what wild two girls look like. Those all look like [ __ ] Like literal buzzwords slop. They all like [ __ ]

[1:01:24] >> Yeah, every time. >> Please god, don't ever bring that back. >> This is wild, too. >> [ __ ] you'll ever see in your life. >> looks horrible. >> Zero out of 10.

[1:01:36] >> They kill it with Diablo horror Yeah, Diablo's crazy. >> Diablo's on another level with how they handle [ __ ] like cinematics and mobs crazy. >> How they handle things, the Diablo team.

[1:01:49] >> Well, one thing you don't want Wild to be is Like you don't want it to be >> Well, no. It shouldn't be some sort of grim, dark universe. That's not what Like there's there's life in World of Warcraft. There's beauty in World of

[1:02:03] Warcraft, like In In just go to Warcraft. Like play the old Warcraft game. Like it's not all terrifying Legion and Like it's not all terrifying Legion and [ __ ] Old God or or the Scourge or

[1:02:15] >> want don't want Wild to be that because we already have Diablo. We have that world. We have that Azeroth is not Sanctuary.

[1:02:28] >> Azeroth is not anything like that. >> Yeah, it's not Sanctuary. Um and that's needs to be made. >> Maybe they make a Diablo MMO and move >> Can you imagine? >> We need more content equivalent to the

[1:02:41] >> We need more content equivalent to the Wild cinematic. even more. >> I don't think it's a Wild situation. I would like Like if we're going to do the Xal'atath

[1:02:54] a little bit. Cuz like we were supposed to lose and technically we didn't technically lose cuz we came together stronger. >> No, we lost.

[1:03:08] Didn't. >> You got everything she wanted. >> That wasn't really a part of her plan. >> my problem. paying attention. >> Okay, then tell me. Mr. I get offended

[1:03:22] >> not going to pay attention, then you can't say we didn't. times? >> down into the world soul. That's it. >> I know, you said it five times. >> But that that was her plan.

[1:03:34] >> Okay, then why why didn't we lose there then? Like why would she leave? Why why did it have to like okay, now I'll see you next episode on Dragonball Z? Like why not just finish me there? >> one because of the way a [ __ ] MMORPG

[1:03:48] story has to go, right? Like they have to lead you there, obviously. They have to lead you to the next raid. You can't finish the story there. >> So we're writing story based off an eight-week content cadence now?

[1:04:02] >> That's how every MMO always has to write story. If you're going to like you can't Hey, we're going to make this boss >> So sorry, are you telling me we're elongating Xal'atath thing? >> the joke's line up

[1:04:16] rather than making the best story >> with the fact that it does have to last uh the rest of the [ __ ] saga, yeah. I mean that's kind of par for the course when you have a villain that's supposed to

[1:04:30] >> Then we can't kill her >> Maybe we shouldn't have >> lost in the season one. Maybe it should have like built up to that a little bit more rather than

[1:04:43] we get these three raids >> fits the take over the void spire. her whole stick, right? You think it makes you think something, but really it's >> Personally, the opposite for the last

[1:04:55] >> And like don't get me wrong, I love Xal'atath. It's become the same like I don't think it's the character. I think it's the writing of it. Cuz it's it's just a little repetitive. Like she does

[1:05:08] something bad, something bad happens, we're just about to catch her, she gets away, and it's on to the next thing. And it be it's the same chase and pattern for literally two plus years.

[1:05:21] Dragonflight really. But I couldn't even tell you. So, like don't get me wrong. Like I just thought of like Like and I can't I can't make a final opinion on it yet cuz we don't

[1:05:33] next patch. We don't know where we're going. We don't know if it's officially know if it's going to be somewhere completely different. We have no idea. We have some assumptions, but like I've no idea. My point is is like I want to

[1:05:47] see some actual [ __ ] impact. Like I'm ready. happen yet? >> Pretty pretty clear we're going to end up with the world soul in the last raid.

[1:06:02] >> Let's do it. >> Which will then lead the last Titan. back. >> Cuz my problem is is like, okay, we're Empire strikes back scenario of the saga. Like

[1:06:19] the part two of a saga is supposed to be very heavy hitting. Supposed to be a very big deal. Something drastic is supposed to happen. Part one is usually the setup, which is you know, what the war within was.

[1:06:33] Which was obviously like a new hope. And now it's leading like something's got to happen. >> War Within was meant because of War Within was supposed to be stand-alone expansion.

[1:06:48] And then Metzen comes in and changes it and wants to make freaking you know, a trilogy. But they had to rework all of the War To basically kind of go full circle to end kind of where you start anyway.

[1:07:03] Then get us to midnight. This is really where the story is This is really where the story is starting.

[1:07:17] you think you won? Sure, let it It's okay. We can think we She accomplished everything she wanted to. We definitely didn't win. We didn't win anything.

[1:07:33] We didn't win anything. Maybe stopped the bleeding. I don't know. I wish she won. But And then yeah, and last time we're going back to Northrend.

[1:07:46] And they are revamping it. Probably going to be dope. Probably going to be dope. >> Uh yes, that'll be cool. I'm excited to get a revamp on Northrend to see how that would look.

[1:07:58] Um that would be awesome. I wonder what the zones are going to look like, you know, I don't know how many like in-game years it's been But I'm sure the zones are drastically

[1:08:13] Ghostlands and all these other zones. Like, they're drastically different. Like so really curious to see

[1:08:26] how everything's going to be. Really interested. next season announcement on where we're going to go and what we're going to ready. >> I really hope we don't have to kill

[1:08:39] >> I really hope so, too. >> I really Cuz I like him. >> I want to hang out with my guy. >> Yeah, he's my boy. And I wish I could Um Bro, what if we see her and Sylvanas

[1:08:53] Bro, what if we see her and Sylvanas have a one-on-one? She the only way, by the way, I think a WoW 2 works you? Is if they make it a very very different

[1:09:07] game from wild one and kind of do what Guild Wars where they're going to continue to work World of Warcraft maybe less, right? Like maybe instead of 18-month

[1:09:19] expansions three every three years you get a con- an expansion or maybe mini expansions every two years or something. different game.

[1:09:31] Like very different. Otherwise, why the [ __ ] am I leaving my collection in World of Warcraft? Right? To go play what? Wild with better >> Um the sure pissed off. Um What size monitor? I have a 4K 32-in

[1:09:45] really matter cuz you you could just adjust the UI scale to scale however it monitor specifically and then go in the edit mode and just slightly organize how >> [music] >> it's going to be a very very

[1:10:01] Well, and they they've made it very clear at least from my understanding from what that that team said for Guild Wars they're making a very different And I think that's the only way you could do it to make people be like,

[1:10:13] "Well, why is it even worth my time to get rid of like to lose everything I've gained and achieved and accomplished and and achieved and accomplished and collected?"

[1:10:28] Uh that's a good idea. I think we've printed some before, uh but I think white, too. That could be an idea, too. Like maybe we do white and then like a sort of We do need to start thinking

[1:10:41] about BlizzCon shirts. Yeah, that would be neat. Um I mean, depending on the patch coming out, we might do a new shirt. Um it just depends on the patch coming out. And then we'd have to talk to a designer and

[1:10:55] people would be interested. See if it'd be uh you know, cool enough to check But yeah, no, I think we would definitely need a BlizzCon shirt.

[1:11:07] BlizzCon T preview, I don't got [ __ ] homie. I can't even I can't even pretend that I've done anything. I I I don't know yet because this patch. >> If If the patch and we couldn't come up

[1:11:21] with a good idea for this patch, like this patch would be like the BlizzCon >> In a In a way, yeah. >> And if we If we can't think of anything, then maybe we could just do something CBK, take Blizz I don't know, some lame

[1:11:33] >> Yeah, I I don't know. I'm not sure. We'll We'll have to see, really cool BlizzCon style shirt. Yeah, we're going to do a We're going to do a Everyone will get there. Hopefully, we all wear the same shirts. We do a CBK

[1:11:46] >> Yeah, yeah, that'd be fire. >> And uh yeah. Going to do that. >> Yeah, Trojan said he's going to buy me >> He He told me that. >> Wow, what?

[1:11:59] Oh, actually, he said he was going to buy me dinner. to buy you dinner? >> Yeah, he said he was going to buy me a a crazy. That's weird. He said he was going to

[1:12:11] get me like taco bell. Why the [ __ ] is he getting you a ribeye? Bob Shaman! >> E-Dub! >> That's hot. >> What a [ __ ] name? Mr. Cools, much

[1:12:24] love with the 10 big bones. Guys, if you're a freaking supporter of the donations and the streams and the community, let's get some comeback kid man. >> Wait, this is Show some love. Yo, triple

[1:12:36] >> Is Is there a Chili's around the Anaheim Convention Center? And is Are the comeback kids taking over that Chili's? Listen, I swear to God. Can someone find out if there is a Chili's around the Anaheim Convention

[1:12:51] Chili's around the Anaheim Convention Center? And if there is, I swear to God I will go to jail. Everyone, I'm not even kidding. I will go get a triple dipper and a margarita.

[1:13:05] And I'll be that one annoying loud guy at Chili's. The $5 ritas? I don't give a [ __ ] Be careful with the drink from Trojan. Be careful with the drink from Trojan. That's crazy. Someone ban that guy.

[1:13:19] That's crazy. Y'all don't give a [ __ ] Give me a triple dipper. Give me some mozzarella sticks. Mozzas? Yo, after the freaking last Mozzas? Yo, after the freaking last Titan announcement

[1:13:33] The thing is we have to figure out when we want to do the CBK meet up because I probably going to do a little bit of I want to do that like the Friday night? Do you want to do

[1:13:47] that and then have to go to BlizzCon? I think you do that maybe Saturday. >> I don't know about you, but I What the [ __ ] beers. >> a [ __ ] fraud. You're such a fraud.

[1:14:00] don't be telling people that. They're going to take you dead serious, bro. Not that a thing? There's going to be a Wildhead party? Not >> There is a content creator party. I just don't know what day it is yet.

[1:14:18] >> That's kind of >> You know what Drake says? Why you going to fight with me there? >> [laughter] that. >> Uh it's at the Hilton. Oh, [ __ ]

[1:14:33] >> Do you know what day? >> That's crazy. please. >> Yeah, actually I think wait. I think the or is it Is it either Sunday or Friday, right?

[1:14:48] >> Usually is day in the Hilton lobby at the bar it gets packed. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. >> Last night of BlizzCon always is. >> You're not invited. That's [ __ ] >> Well, I know. I know.

[1:15:00] >> Well, I know. I know. At last BlizzCon Team Liquid did a a party one of the nights. Yeah, they invited me, but >> Wow. You you big time Team Liquid.

[1:15:14] >> Look at this guy. I would like it if they could capture the spirit of Wildstar 3 and how campaigns were in that game. I can see a solo mythic plus

[1:15:26] >> You mean what? Warcraft 3, yeah. >> I can also see a mythic plus path where there's a leaderboard. Also, I think Ironman kind of challenges. I mean, yeah, they're like I'm kind of sick of Wildstar pulling punches in

[1:15:38] terms of like really trying to innovate cuz they're scared of like bad reps. Like just swing away, man. Like let's just do >> It's tough to innovate when your game is making you so much money and you don't

[1:15:51] >> Yeah, you don't have to do anything. And I made that point in in a video the >> No one really there's no other game besides Final now. >> There Yeah, and that's what I've said.

[1:16:04] It's like, do we blame the number one leader for not innovating >> Yeah. >> Yeah, I mean, like little to no >> They're doing something right. >> I mean, do I blame them? No.

[1:16:18] >> But now now that Guild Wars 3 is announced now that Riot is still popping announced now that Riot is still popping off with hiring huge time developers get the best of all the Warcraft. Like, I'm going to be honest. And that's what

[1:16:32] >> Yeah, and I don't think they would change anything for this BlizzCon, but at the next one you might have some >> [ __ ] 2090? uh 8, probably. >> Yeah, probably. They're definitely going

[1:16:44] to do it by 2027 by yearly. For sure. I I don't think they're >> last BlizzCon was 2023. >> Oh, daddy. Probably 2029. And they're probably going to classic plus expansion. Um

[1:16:58] thing is that with Shadowlands is that was a That wasn't playing it safe. They Yeah, everything was [ __ ] So, when you [ __ ] up, you [ __ ] up. And Final Fantasy at that point was at like hitting its peak.

[1:17:12] You know, it is what it is. But, since Shadowlands, like Dragonflight, for all intents and purposes, good expansion. War Within, good expansion. Midnight, expansion. I heard by the numbers, it's actually performing better than any

[1:17:25] >> Listen, I By the way, I'll state something very clear. I stand very like confident and strong that Midnight gameplay so far, and just general systems and raid and Mythic Plus, has been very fun and very solid. It's miles

[1:17:43] ahead of War Within season 1. This is my personal opinion. Miles ahead of Dragonflight season. So, just those two off the retail modern We clearly don't need to talk about

[1:17:55] >> Yo, Shadowlands season 1 actually banged. competition is BfA, which I didn't play BfA really. I hated that expansion. It I It'd be very biased if I said anything. So,

[1:18:09] can't really say. Um but, I do know that this is the best season opener that we've had in minimum the last 5-6 years. Minimum. So, is. Razer, what's up? Good looking. How are you doing? Always good to see you,

[1:18:24] buddy. Hope everything's good. Uh okay, we also dive into today, ladies and gentlemen. Uh little bit of a side topic, uh but it is Guild Wars. Um cuz this this is This is definitely something I

[1:18:38] want to keep my eye on as well as the communities eye on. I I don't know when it comes to the comeback kids what we're going to be doing when it comes to Guild Wars at all. I tried Guild Wars 2. I like the game, but personally it's just

[1:18:52] not for me too much. Uh I like it. I enjoy it. It's just not for like I I I still get the urge to just play World of Warcraft over it. Uh would I love to make Guild Wars content and play Guild Wars 3? Yeah, it sounds good, but

[1:19:06] I don't know though. Anyways, just want to keep us uh sort of in the loop as MMO enjoyers. And uh yeah, so let's go from here. Today Guild to be talking about the core philosophy that defines the way we make games. So

[1:19:20] grab a cup of your favorite drink, sit back, and relax. It's reading time. When didn't start by asking what a sequel should look like. We started with something more fundamental. The core philosophy that defines how we have

[1:19:32] built games at ArenaNet over the last 21 years. Our philosophy is relatively an inventory of the genre at the time. Isn't this what he said in the interview the other day? Very similar, yeah. I so I don't need to say that. Uh no

[1:19:45] subscription fees. Okay. I mean, right off rip that's a pretty big one. Um so ideas behind Guild Wars was simple. Players should be able to buy the game Guild Wars was launched back in 2005, that wasn't the norm. Subscription fees

[1:20:00] Wow, that just goes to show how far ahead Wow was for its time. Jesus Christ. Wow releasing in 2004 is out of control. It's just not normal. Just one in a billion.

[1:20:12] Like played Guild Wars 1 classic. I could have guessed that this game maybe came out in like 2000 2001.

[1:20:24] World of Warcraft is incredibly ahead of it. A classic, wow. That is that's pretty wild to think of. Um sure. Uh that wasn't the norm. the MMO model. Choosing not to have one wasn't just a pricing decision. It was a

[1:20:38] statement about accessibility and long-term value. We carried that forward into Guild Wars 2 and it remains just as important today. Guild Wars 3 will be a buy-to-play game at release. There will be no subscription fee.

[1:20:55] >> Yeah, I mean I I think anyone who who knows ArenaNet probably knew they were going to do that. Um they don't do subscriptions. They tend to make their money on the game itself and then expansions and and

[1:21:10] >> Yeah. A Netflix HBO series for World of good. I mean I don't know what we're doing not doing this already. Like are they scared to [ __ ] it up that bad? Like >> No, I think it's what story do you tell?

[1:21:25] And how long do you take to get there? To get to Arthas. Cuz we know that's what everyone wants. >> That model matters because it puts players to feel like their time in the

[1:21:37] something they owe. Want to take a break and go play other games? Great, go for Ready to come back when the next Guild Wars 3 expansion comes out? Wonderful, Wars 3 expansion comes out? Wonderful, we'll be here waiting for you.

[1:21:53] We've been looking carefully at the newest round of modern MMOs and the broader array of live service games that often look suspiciously like MMOs and have evolved. In many of these newer games, the subscription hasn't

[1:22:07] disappeared. It's just been reshaped. You have paid battle passes, paid recurring seasonal tracks, and similar paid systems often function as a new kind of ongoing fee. And that model is going to work for some

[1:22:19] games, but it's not aligned with how we think about player freedom in a Guild Wars game. It's a It's a of subscription fee hidden inside of a neat optional little package. It obfuscates the subscription from the player.

[1:22:34] subscription fee, we mean it. No monthly fees, no battle pass. Just buy the game trust and you feel like we're delivering experiences you love, we'll have expansions and other things you could buy from us if you think they are worth

[1:22:48] your investment. >> Interesting. I mean, sure. Uh love it cuz like

[1:23:03] I don't want to play it safe. I don't want to win it all. You could look at it that way, but for me, I look at it as very safe. >> No, it's actually less safe.

[1:23:17] out of you, and the only way they're going to make money is if they make again. So, now they have to make expansions that you feel as though are Or you have no skin in the game. You could just not buy it. I mean, let's

[1:23:30] just be real. They've lived perfectly fine in Guild Wars 2. So, like I'm I'm a dumbass like in some ways, obviously, like they're clearly doing something right. Um but

[1:23:44] I just don't know how you're going to end up with the resources to I don't know, it feels like they're just not really interested in that number one spot. Does that make sense? They're I don't think they have to be to

[1:23:58] to be. Like they're not interested in it. They don't care to be the number They want their little cubby. Want to sit in their corner, base as dedicated, and move on. >> Oh, you But you know what? When you're

[1:24:12] in When you operate in that, you could do things that you want to do more. You could actually take more risk. You don't have all the eyes on you, and I bet you their their shareholders are probably

[1:24:26] not like Microsoft. have a little bit more freedom. >> It's a good thing. I mean, I'll be real. It's a good thing. Guild Wars 2 sells goals, so they make

[1:24:38] a way to make money too. >> make their money, but they had They have their cash shop. They sell trans models. >> way, my my thing isn't, "Oh, how are they going to make money?" I mean, they clearly know how to make money. My thing

[1:24:50] is, "How can we make the best MMO out and be the number one MMO?" Like, can they do that with the resources they have? That's what I'm someone makes money. Someone's got to make money somehow. If you're an adult

[1:25:04] and you're a working [ __ ] worker in this world, you understand that like you're upset at a company trying to make money, you're an idiot. They So, like, they act They They operate in the green every every

[1:25:17] >> Okay. That's a fact. >> My question is, is that enough green to measure up against big hitters such as World of Warcraft, Riot MMO, and try >> whoever there's publishing this game or whoever's investing in Guild Wars 3 gave

[1:25:33] them the money, they must think so. They definitely have people doing the data analysis to to give them the money to make this to give them the money to make this game.

[1:25:46] they'll be fine. No, yeah, 100%. No, I'm not I'm not saying you. I'm not saying term. Uh I'll probably check it out. I played Guild Wars 2 for a bit. Wasn't By the way, I like Guild Wars 2. I just I have some problems with it. By the

[1:25:58] way, can you do dungeons with groups while leveling up? I've I've been trying to [ __ ] do it. >> You know what I really like? I like the way they do their questing. Or I like the heart system. I like their

[1:26:11] >> That stuff's cool. >> Um their MSQ. I like that they put you into little cutscene and you talk and you get the story that way. I think wow needs to do more [ __ ] like that. Like every time there's an a main story

[1:26:26] not a cutscene, but something that puts you in a dialogue so you have to listen to what's going on and you can't just accept a race off. >> Even if it's just the main story. >> Yeah, just the main story. It only has

[1:26:41] to be the main story, but like I always say, bro, if you want people to take your story seriously. >> is that really to implement? >> It's each race has two to three voice lines for male or female.

[1:26:55] And that's it. And you can just simply up the pitch or lower the [ __ ] pitch. my character voiced, but have whoever's talking be voiced. >> there and have them tell you it. Like I mean, if we want to get real lazy, sure,

[1:27:08] >> But how much is it really going to cost for a a 30 questline [ __ ] voice actor? Like are we Like are we serious? I'll do it for free. You bring me to Blizzard. I [ __ ] I'll do it from home. Like how complicated is this?

[1:27:23] >> Like what are we doing? Like it's time to level up. >> If you're going to >> The thing is the masses of people aren't and this is no knock on anyone.

[1:27:38] And they don't care to read. >> And they're going to just go with think the common consensus is of what your story is. >> Unless you really put the story in front of

[1:27:52] >> even then most of them don't give a [ __ ] Speaking of other things you can buy from us, this one's pretty simple in the Guild Wars 2 but our philosophy in this area remains true to this day. We think

[1:28:04] spend money on items that provide visual distinction and offer more ways to [music] no pay to win, but they're going to buy shop items, for sure. Respecting it's always been about a core It's always been a core part of Guild Wars,

[1:28:18] than ever before. One of the most common games require massive time investments to play. Historically, MMO engagement has been viewed as an experience like a second job, where players spend a large

[1:28:31] before they can actually engage in the fun parts. Only have 30 minutes to play? to just organize your inventory, figure out what kind content you'll be you're up, and oh oh no, time's up. Yeah, I mean, sure, okay, obviously. Players

[1:28:46] so many modern game experiences Okay, so pretty much. Preparing to have fun, that means our responsibility isn't just to time spent in the game feels meaningful. This has always been important to

[1:28:59] ArenaNet in Guild Wars. Okay, cool. This is all good. We want to investment, so I long break from the game. Uh there will be a new Hall of Monuments to connect to your accounts. Okay, yeah, I mean, sure.

[1:29:12] Yeah, okay. We'll We'll talk more in detail about the future of this and the content and gameplay systems. Um we're evolving to create a new take on the MMO that respects players' time and investment. I I'm I'm very

[1:29:24] Like, what what are your actual solutions? their class system's going to be for this game. >> Innovating evolving the MMO genre, this is interesting. Uh one of the most

[1:29:37] important part of our philosophy is one that sometimes surprises people is that Uh they're very different games, that in the same world, each one was built to push against the convention of its time,

[1:29:49] solve player problems relevant to that era of games, and explore a new idea in isn't the same as it was during the development of Guild Wars or Guild Wars 2. Okay, if we approach Guild Wars 3 by simply extending what we've already

[1:30:02] done, we miss the opportunity to move the genre forward. Okay, yes yes yes, just make a sequel where I ask the same question we always do. What does the next ever Yeah, this is what he said exactly almost beat by beat.

[1:30:14] >> Hey, did we talk about the wild patch? Well, Ryan, you kind of missed it. >> Yes, sadly Ryan, if you want you can just go back on the YouTube stream. We the stream-ish. >> Yeah, we spent about an hour

[1:30:27] >> We're just wrapping up the show. We're just some general consensus MMO news and just discussions. Um Okay, is there anything? >> Okay, so this is Guild Wars 2 is the opposite. Okay, this is where I want to

[1:30:42] talk. Guild Wars 3 lands near the middle of the MMO spectrum which supports the goals we have for our movement and combat systems. While it fits the definition of an MMO RPG significantly more than Guild Wars Reforged does, it

[1:30:56] doesn't try to replicate the large-scale gameplay pillars [music] gameplay pillars [music] that show uniquely define Guild Wars 2. >> Well, in Guild Wars 2 they're like you'll have zergs of

[1:31:11] 40, 50 people just doing like world bosses and [ __ ] Or like realm V realm. >> Okay. >> They want more smaller scale. >> We're sure that all three of our games can coexist as different experiences on

[1:31:25] different timelines telling different stories about the world of Tyria. >> Eventually somewhat broad and vague and you'll all want to know more about the Uh yeah, on the launch of Guild Wars 3 and there's plenty of time. We'll

[1:31:38] detail in the future as we share some more information on the various game systems, content systems, and concepts that make up Guild Wars 3. Yeah, sure. Um okay. I mean, yeah, this is this is all cool stuff. I mean

[1:31:52] I'm I'm definitely excited to hear more. Uh I want to see their idea and their actually means. >> I want to see how they do combat. >> Yeah, that and the class system is very important to me like right off rip. Most

[1:32:07] patch to get in. That's what I'm ready for. >> I don't know about you guys. >> Tomorrow, 1:00 Eastern Standard. >> Think so? >> Yeah.

[1:32:20] Yeah. Uh I guess we'll have to see. Um but yeah, hopefully hopefully that'd be cool. Uh I also want to play some WoW I think I'm ready to hop back in, maybe do some spore fall raids, get my bonus

[1:32:32] loot out there, get my omnium folio unlocked. Start pushing some mythic plus again and uh crank this out. Yo, Gino, are you uh are you doing 19s or 20s? Actually, I guess 20s now on any of your tanks?

[1:32:46] resilient 20s, dude. You ready to get push some 1% with me or what, man? What's the play? What's the angle? I'm trying. But um yeah, I mean that's kind of all we wanted to talk

[1:32:59] we wanted to talk about and discuss and chill out? Now is the community part of the show where you guys can throw out a uh you know little >> and we'll talk about it. >> Well, I don't know about all that, but

[1:33:13] yeah, throw out a 99-cent super chat and you're lucky enough to where we'll talk about it cuz we're [ __ ] I'm just kidding. Um if anyone wants to talk about it. Mushroom dance mushroom dance raid.

[1:33:26] Yes. >> Let's do politics. Oh god. Uh I took a break. >> True. I feel you on that, buddy. >> Um I don't know. I'm excited, man. I I

[1:33:39] think there's a lot to come. By the way, guys, don't forget uh we do have uh our other channels in terms of like content that we're uh that we are doing.

[1:33:51] content that we're uh that we are doing. Um do not forget. Oh, oopsies. Oh. have the Comeback City Show channel, which talks about news World of kind of just a chill out vibe casual talk discussion channel.

[1:34:06] those. Subscribe. We're going to be putting on more content on both of those very, very soon. Um but yeah, uh I think it's time to uh get hype. WoW is back. >> WoW is back.

[1:34:20] content. I'm excited to see where this new season takes us and what it means and what we're doing. And uh yeah, that's about it from us tonight, guys. Um we love you guys very much. We will see you Saturday night. Uh we will do a

[1:34:35] see you Saturday night. Uh we will do a show maybe plus a rage stream maybe or something. >> We are killing Rotface Mythic five times Saturday night. Be there, be square, or you getting carried.

[1:34:48] >> Hey, we're going to bring my my boy Goop. Goop? >> No, I don't. Never spoken to him outside of stream. My dog. >> WoW is a good MMO but not like many

[1:35:00] >> WoW is a good MMO but not like many other MMOs. That's so insane to say. WoW is back. Night guys, yo. I love you guys very much. I'm going to head out of guys. God bless. We will see you Saturday. Love you guys. Peace out.

[1:35:14] Saturday. Love you guys. Peace out. Peace, peace, peace.