WoW Midnight & MMO Evolution - Full Breakdown & Transcript

[01:13] welcome to another episode of the Comeback City. We've had a lot of drama. Let me lower the mic a little bit. Uh, by the way, this is this might be a little bit of a scuff stream. Have had a lot of technical issues over the last

[01:25] week due to some problems behind the scenes. Um, but we are here. We're live. We're rocking. We're rolling. Uh, how is my desktop audio? Guys, if there's

[01:37] anything wrong when it comes to audio or settings or visuals, please let us know settings or visuals, please let us know because uh there's a lot going on. Okay. gentlemen? Hoping everyone's having a great time. Welcome to another episode

[01:51] of the comeback city. I am Sky. >> I am Sky. I mean, I'm Lance. >> And we are both Sky. So, I hope everyone's doing decent. Um, welcome. Welcome one and all. We have to do completely top to bottom. Uh, you know,

[02:06] over from Streamlabs over to OBS. So, hello guild. Hope everyone's doing good. Thank you for mating for notifying the doing? Ladies and gentlemen, if you guys are here in the chat and you're ready

[02:19] for an awesome episode of Hype Midnight World of Warcraft Copium, let's get some World of Warcraft Copium, let's get some ones in the chat, baby. Come on, ladies the chat. Let's get hype. We got a lot to get into and not a lot of time. We're

[02:36] busy adults. We're here to have fun, but not for a long time cuz you got to take >> guys. We're not here for a long time. We're here for a good time. That's We're here for a good time. That's right. Um, so hopefully things are

[02:49] relatively smooth tonight. It's weird. Why is this Why is that a vertical >> Seems loud. >> Uh, yeah. Sorry, Lance. I'm trying my best here. Trying my best. There's a lot going on.

[03:02] There we go. That seems a little bit more leveled. Holy [ __ ] [laughter] Yo. So, shout out to everyone in the guild, man. The guild is growing drastically. By the way, right now guys, I think we're filling up in terms of the

[03:14] the first guild and, you know, making sure we're we're full over there prepped have one question to ask you before we really dive into the show. >> Do you guys know what you're going to Maine heading into Midnight? Wow. Guys,

[03:29] it is officially on the clock. We are now 3 weeks away. Exactly. Holy crap. Well, a little I would say a

[03:41] little bit less >> because I understand the I understand >> But thank you so much. Skier reaches 25 stream. That's insane. Thank you, buddy. Shout out to you. 25's insane. Wow. Scalder, you and your freaking

[03:55] Scalder, you and your freaking devastation, man. Yo, Ali Ali Tasat, what's going on, baby? Guys, we got to do a quick roll call. See who's here early. We got Luna, Maten, Leaky B, Julia, Radio, Mango,

[04:10] which is Juan Epstein, Nomagnanis, Rita Rabbit, Justin Cody, Hell's Rocker, Handline, Hayden, CR, Weave, Justin, CR, Weeave again, Dannibals, uh, Erochi, Shadow for the Casual Dad, Ramfist, Shadow, Atheian, KJR, XJ, XJR. Holy

[04:29] [ __ ] Who does the starting song before you guys start? That would be the Midnight. That would be Shadows by the Midnight, Singing, although >> I wish it was.

[04:41] >> Wish it was. So, yeah, guys, a lot to go into. Let's go through some of your responses really quick. Uh, and once again, if you guys are in the guild, let time. Get everyone bring them to the comeback city. The show is about to kick

[04:54] some warm-up questions. I want to talk to you guys and hear Lance's opinion as well. We got Resto Shaman, Paladin. Whoa. Elemental Shaman. That's insane. Whoa. Elemental Shaman. That's insane. Blood [ __ ] destruction warlock.

[05:07] Uh, survival hunter but back to marchman. Okay. Pali demon hunter decal main to red pali but time for monk. Oh, you're crazy. Uh, mage paladin all day. That's crazy, dude. Prop pali or big daddy bear. Listen, there's a lot of

[05:22] variety here. There's a lot going on down in the world of the combat kids in the community in the guild. Okay, >> Lance, the question is 3 weeks out. What

[05:34] need to know what what's going on. What's in it for Lance? >> Where's my alert box? >> It might not be now, though. I'm I'm actually considering maybe changing it up. Oh, I don't have my alert box to uh

[05:48] >> No, >> I'm considering unholy death knight. >> Considering unholy [ __ ] death knight. >> Could I could lean that way. I don't know yet. We're going to see, you know, >> never happened. Uh, healer bear. Wow.

[06:03] Okay, that's crazy. Listen, guys, last discussion and topic obviously is really big. We do have a very important Wowhead post and It's been kind of like the, you know,

[06:16] the trend right now with one of these add-ons out, Lance. And, and let guys, let me know if you've heard of this add-on. It's an add-on that will display the total play time of each class on your account. And I saw someone's

[06:29] account. It was like 900 days of just Paladin. usually pretty loyal to Paladin. Will to say still. It's a little hard to say cuz there is still going to be tuning,

[06:43] but they're not bad. Rhett seems fine. Are they insane on the damage meters? No. But when is Rhett Elely really ever insane on the damage? They're just I would say good to above average. Some best utility in the game. Always great

[06:57] to have. >> If you like red, play your red. We're going to go through this add-on in just a second and talk about it and download it and maybe we'll share some

[07:10] all you guys are playing and how long you've played some of these classes. You'll be a necrolancer. That's crazy. Hunter BM and farming. Wow. Well, the death knight is pretty smart choice. [ __ ] you're probably right. Uh,

[07:23] hoodies, what's going on, baby? Welcome to stream. I'm at round three years. 27 to stream. I'm at round three years. 27 days. 70 days. days. 70 days. 3 years. 270 days/played. Is that true?

[07:36] animal. >> You're You're a god, bro. You're a god. >> You're You're a god, bro. You're a god. >> Yo, you are a god. A little loud. Holy [ __ ] >> Where was I? What? What dungeon was I in

[07:51] Shout out to you. >> What was that for? running yesterday. The music in there. >> I forgot what it was. >> No, it was a Wrath dungeon that I was grinding to get this. Check the text.

[08:06] But >> bro, I want you to put the music on because it literally did not feel like I was playing. Wow. It felt like I was like watching Bleach. Wow. >> And it was it was just so crazy. There

[08:18] >> It was crazy. >> How [ __ ] interesting. Look at you. >> Also, I I ran some time walking last night with some brand new guildies who >> That was very cool. We did a whole five stack of just comeback kids.

[08:33] >> It's getting to that point, guys, where now remember, you're in the Comeback Kids Guild. You got a community epoch with the resubscribe with the prime. Our So, we'll have to see if we can get it fixed up on the next one. But, thank you

[08:46] love. If you guys are in the chat, show some love to your community support members, man. Let's get some comeback kid icons in the chat cuz guess what? It ain't never too late for a comeback. For a comeback. That's right. Let's go put

[08:59] some comeback kid icons in the chat. Shout out to you. Much love, buddy. interesting though when it comes to that music. You know, I've realized music, man, can have such a ginormous impact on an experience of something. Like it

[09:12] could be anything. I I listen it could be a coffee shop. It can be walking into Universal Studios or Disney. It you know certain songs can bring you back to memories. Like how many of you guys have played World of Warcraft for 15, 20

[09:25] years, 10 years, however long, and you hear a certain track and you instantly go back to a moment that you're like, damn, I remember doing that and doing XYZ during this time while that song was on. For example, some of the Elwin

[09:39] music. Thank you for the follow, Jing. uh for for some of the Elwin music, I remember very vividly being a lot younger, but leveling a human rogue and killing uh the bears and the murlocs as well as the wolves over at the camp to

[09:54] the right logging camp. Yeah. And I remember doing those quests and what I was listening to was the Elwin Forest, but also on my headphones was Imagine Dragons Demons. I know. I'm sure you know that song, but I was listening to

[10:09] that song and every time I hear that song, it instantly transports me back to Elwin Forest, which is very odd, but um you know, it's crazy how things like that. Do you have any songs in like, you know, in the IRL world, like for maybe

[10:22] EBC or doing your uh >> Oh, yeah. Shade 100%. Shade during during COVID and during uh >> you know, during that whole >> 2019 all the way to TBC. How funny. >> I just listened to that while I was

[10:36] >> How funny is that? >> So, isn't it funny that if you ever hear said song, it takes you back. Do you guys have any songs in IRL that you usually listen to that you love to hear >> and then maybe you're playing World of

[10:50] Warcraft and if you ever hear it again, it transports you back in time to a certain area. Grizzly Hills music. Yeah, it's classic. The music in the in sends >> For sure. Absolutely. >> Absolutely. Without a doubt. System of

[11:04] That's >> Oh, you know, I just heard the singer >> Yeah. >> Just passed away. that's horrible. >> Yeah.

[11:16] >> I'm here without you, baby. >> Are you still with me in my dream? >> My wife told me that right before I was getting out of the the car to come into >> Yeah, that's horrible. >> Big rest in power.

[11:30] >> Rest in power. >> That sucks. Ever song. Woods. True. Any gifty subs? [laughter] >> It's Dani Starting Zone. I love that music, by the way. And I listen to Azerist music all the time.

[11:42] >> Gang Stout with the Prime. >> Thank you so much, Gang Stout. Yo, I got to get it going in just a second, guys. >> For me, it's Dana starting zone. Oh, >> Luna. Wait a second. Luna, wait a second. You

[11:57] just did. You activated something in my brain. Hold on. Calculating. calculating answer found. I remember being in middle school playing Dranai with my brother.

[12:09] I'm a paladin. I don't know what the [ __ ] he was. I don't remember. And we're going through it and we're looking for the blood elf bandit to find the bandit >> Oh, that used to be so much fun. >> You see what I'm saying?

[12:21] >> So things like that, man. That's what I'm talking about. Howling fjord all >> you know, what's crazy is we're listening to Northern Transport music right now, which is I mean it's I would say it's along the same sort of boat.

[12:35] anything for me personally? No. But still good music. Uh, Warsong Ghost soundtrack. Oh, yeah. Let me tell you something. That music reminds me of when I would just play a blood elf rogue. I would farm the cursed fell blades from

[12:50] RFC. I would kill people at like level 13 14 as a combat blood rogue slicers >> and then I would delete the character >> I don't know what was wrong with me back then but we did it. So ladies and

[13:05] gentlemen, we got three more weeks of hype before we start the show. We're we hit the 20 minute mark. Uh really quick, number one, if you're in the guild online, type in guild chat, let them know the comeback city, Sky and

[13:18] out. Get the community. get the guild in here. >> I'm going to be honest with you. Um, people and and what I would kind of recommend is

[13:30] >> try not to play so much WoW right now. >> try to kind of take a step back because there's really not that much to do right now anyway that's going to help you come midnight. It could be better. take a

[13:44] step back, enjoy a little time away because in 3 weeks time, I know we're all going to be a little degenerate at the start of midnight. I know I'm going of days off work. >> I told my wife, "Listen, guys, or or

[14:02] >> Yeah. That first week, [laughter] he goes, "Listen, guys. Hey, hey, that's my son. That's what I'm telling my son. But listen, I'm gonna have to freaking play this." it guys. Okay, so yeah, listen. I'm I'm taking a

[14:17] been logging in to just kind of target farm some transmog weapons I want. >> but I'm not really like >> it's smart doing anything. >> It's smart. Um, additionally, small topic that I want to dive into.

[14:30] Uh, the Burning Crusade officially launched the other day. So, we're here. Has anyone tried it out before midnight? Cuz I'll be honest, I'm raising my hand here. I have been playing a bit of TBC and I

[14:45] don't want to knock anybody for anything. I still hold a very special place in my heart and I want to hear your guys' opinions as well. Classic and TBC are some of the most incredible experiences of all time.

[15:00] There's not much better. Really, there really isn't. It's such a phenomenal, nostalgic, wholesome, amazing experience. chest, guys. And this is going to hurt to some of

[15:14] you. I no longer see Classic and TBC as my main version of World of Warcraft anymore at all. When it comes to the

[15:26] first thing I think of of World of Warcraft, it isn't classic anymore. It isn't classic. It isn't TBC. It's actually retail now. And what I mean by that is that I think for me, for someone who has not

[15:39] too long to play every day at all, let alone all week, >> okay, >> classic just does not mesh with me. >> classic just does not mesh with me. Well, it takes so long in classic or TBC

[15:51] Well, it takes so long in classic or TBC to do anything. And it is very very difficult to find myself enjoying something in there because I feel like I'm just it's everything takes so long and not because I want the easy way out

[16:05] but just simply because it's long because >> I don't know what what am I trying like >> well that friction does create it creates immersion right and >> and you you don't want to like walk the

[16:17] line of saying that's a bad thing right it taking time is not a bad thing >> it's the style of the and it makes everything feel more meaningful. Right. >> But I could definitely understand where you're coming. I haven't even tried it,

[16:30] and do some leveling on on the side before midnight. like, >> man, when you've already been there and you've done that now, not once, but twice, and this is the third goound.

[16:45] >> It's like I'm tired. >> Does it feel worth it to do? >> Listen, I'm I'll put it this way, ladies and gentlemen. Okay. I'm very pampered in what I can do. I'm very lucky. Lucky in a sense. Hold on. I don't want to say

[16:58] children. Of course, I have my woman I have that responsibility. But I don't have a big mortgage. I I work from home. full-time living. Of course, it's exhausting. 7 days a week, of course.

[17:13] But guess what? Everybody in this chat works hard. So, if if you make the >> I can't see that name. >> Benji Maggus, thank you for the prime. and I really appreciate it. It doesn't exist the whole I work too hard thing.

[17:25] >> of course. >> But my point is is just for me as someone who's still just too busy with my my work and my woman and my family.

[17:37] Shout out to you, Benji Maggus. Yo, if you guys are here, get some comeback kid >> OH, >> GUYS, we got to make this one a habit. All of us in this chat, we're a strong, tight-knit community here on Kids, man.

[17:51] Jack Shinra, thank you so much for the prime as well. Come back hit icons in >> I wish I could help with the the Twitch. I cannot read Twitch at all. >> Um, but my point is, guys, is it's it's just simply you got to know what version

[18:03] fits for you better and works for you. For me, classic and TBC. And man, you I want to hear your thoughts on this, >> okay? I hope I don't get that same feeling about Classic Plus cuz what if it comes

[18:17] out and it's just >> it's incredibly slow and it just doesn't hardcore player. >> But also I could see that being because there's going to be different and new things still at the end of the

[18:31] >> So even if it's a little bit longer, it's not going to feel like this for TBC because you've been there and done that now just like I said twice already. That's awesome. And it's like, oh, okay, this feels a little bit like a

[18:45] because it's games, but it's just like you've been there already. And there's >> I could see in Classic Plus it being different cuz there's new [ __ ] there. The problem is I've been playing retail for a year and a half straight. I do not

[18:59] I haven't touched classics in Season of Discovery. Like, I have not at all in the slightest. So, going back to TBC, guys, listen to this. They don't have a [ __ ] dungeon journal built into the game. It doesn't exist. There's no such

[19:14] thing as like a real solid group finder. They did add one because they didn't something like that. So, technically that wasn't in the game either. Trade chat. Why is why he is [ __ ] naked? >> Yeah. Why are you [ __ ] naked?

[19:27] >> Yo, who's naked, bro? I'm not naked. Put a shirt on, man. >> Listen, so they don't have a dungeon journal built-in game. The trade chat in every chat window is spammed, okay, with people being like, "Want to sell summons

[19:41] 10g, want to sell boost, looking for bis tank, looking for [ __ ] bis this dungeon spam." It's like, you want to talk about immersion breaking, I feel way, you want to talk about a game that is desperately in need of add-ons to be

[19:58] able to play, it is for sure classic in TBC. And obviously I'm not throwing shade or attacks at anybody, but a lot of the times classic players say certain things that don't really add up to what they're up to. Like I had this amazing

[20:14] tell you about it. It's very awesome. I'm sure you've experienced it. Was Crusade. It was very good time. Incredibly slow. Took about two hours to >> What dungeon? >> It was Ramparts. The very first dungeon.

[20:30] It was lit. Okay, probably an hour and a half. Let me let me stop because we wiped we wiped three times. Now, when you die in classic in TBC, >> not only do you have to run back to the dungeon when the [ __ ] respawn is 6

[20:44] miles away, you have to run in and then run to the end of wherever you died from. >> Bro, you it was lit. It's a 15minute >> Sometimes you forget that those that was the way. Even if you played classic,

[20:59] even if you played back then, sometimes now you forget that that's how things >> Yeah, of course. >> And um I think no matter what now, if you die in a dungeon, >> well, Anaki, one thing, um those little

[21:14] mythic things and all that selling this, this, and that, those boosts, that's not this, and that, those boosts, that's not technically supposed to be allowed, right? Aren't they supposed to be trying to go? They have their own channel for

[21:28] that. >> Yeah. So, technically it's not supposed to be allowed spamming something like that in chat. Like they they want you to for something. I think LFG they have a tab now in midnight for that. But

[21:41] L. >> I have no idea. I forgot. >> We were talking about you forget that. >> Oh. Oh, you forget the quality of life it's just like, >> bro, even something as simple as a

[21:56] dungeon journal to see what boss drops what, so I can go farm something. It >> And it's insanity. >> Guys, also, you know what was driving me >> Guys, also, you know what was driving me crazy is the talent tree. It was driving

[22:11] me [ __ ] crazy. I couldn't do a basic like load out to see if I like this build and then lock it in. Every point you lock in, that's it. You're dunzo. So, you mess up one point, you're in trouble because obviously one point mess

[22:25] you need the capstone talent is very critical. So things like that. And then um you can't change specs whenever. It's just dual spec, you know, and and it's realize like like yeah, things like this should

[22:42] like like yeah, things like this should just be basic. Like uh I I kind of like the And listen, when I'm in the mood to play classic, I actually don't want all of the quality of life of retail cuz then I just Why am I playing classic?

[22:56] >> Right? So, I think I really do think it works for that game and it does it fits for >> and and like I don't want Classic Plus to have

[23:10] >> No, absolutely not. Listen, and and I want to ask you guys about this when it comes to Classic Plus as a retail player who may be very casually interested. I'm players because they're probably going to get their m their way most of the

[23:25] your thoughts. What are some things that you feel could be in there? And then what are some things that maybe could be a stretch? Like for example, obviously transmog is a stretch, right? Uh more flight paths. That seems like something

[23:39] definitely build banks. That seems like an easy win. >> An LFG tab, not like looking for dungeon as in teleport you there, but an actual LFG tab to find groups and it's like retail. Feel like that's a win. So

[23:52] things like that. And I'm I just want to hear your guys' thoughts. Maybe as a >> Brandon. Leveling raids. I don't think that's a good use of uh >> I think I think maybe more dungeons. Sure. But I I don't think making raids

[24:07] is a good use of time. >> Yeah, because time unless they just copy thing? >> Unless you mean like Sod. But then that

[24:19] only Yeah, but that only works. It worked for Sod because we were forced >> Yeah. They they kept you at those levels. So, if they're going to do level banding and like, okay, you're 25, let's make a 25 raid. That's different. But if

[24:32] 1 to 60. I don't think it's, >> by the way, this is a hot take. I love the way Sad progressed. This is a hot take. I want to hear you guys' yours in a second. Let me ask this question to the audience members in

[24:46] question to the audience members in here. We about 140 150 people. Do you guys like the idea of those level brackets where you're level 30, locked in, black fathom depths, you're there for about two months, onto the next,

[25:01] bada ba boom, and and see how it goes. By the way, if they do it, if they could do it and keep it so you know, it's an 8week cadence. You're in these dungeons that gives you a week to level and then you're running your raid 7 weeks, boom,

[25:14] >> That would be cool. And by the way, would help them >> but also >> not even just that because they should >> I don't want them to do it side. If they're going to do that, have the whole

[25:26] way to ready to go, but >> it could allow them to get data they need for endgame. >> Wow. Remove the bonus XC from dungeon >> 100%. Right. Let me tell you something, guys. on TBC right now. It is every

[25:41] single streamer that will talk [ __ ] about retail. They'll be like, "Retail has no world experience. It's a dungeon simulator. It's an instant cube pop simulator. You sit in a a capital city and just instantly tell it's all

[25:53] [ __ ] There's no story. There's no world." Every single one of those players right now, you go on Twitch right [ __ ] now and look it up. Every single one of them are dungeon spamming as much as they can. Zarya was on

[26:07] stream. He had a notepad on his stream. This is obviously no knockar. He could do whatever the [ __ ] he wants. He had a notepad comparing what the fastest like uh uh comps were for running this specific dungeon and he was timing

[26:21] comparisons between melee cleaves of warriors and a shaman healer caster cleave or warlocks and mages and he was compar it was [ __ ] insanity. it was crazy. >> Going back I want to go back to the

[26:36] great. >> I I don't want to just interesting and >> you know I didn't even consider that when I was about Nicholas Lee. I agree. >> Okay. I didn't consider that but I think

[26:50] >> I think they have to and maybe not even 8 weeks. Maybe maybe 6 weeks is good. >> Sure. But but think about it like this. You get maybe one or two more dungeons up to that level bracket 1 through 30. You get a max level dungeon and you get

[27:03] You get a max level dungeon and you get a raid man raid. But don't give us Sod did. >> I think the BFD gear was fine. the ancient walker was >> Well, there's a few outliers, but for

[27:17] the most part, the BFD gear was fine cuz like even the sword, the the hydra sword >> Yes, >> it was caster gear. It wasn't melee gear doesn't matter. >> Even the tier sets were fine cuz I think

[27:31] there were like a three-piece sets for like basic [ __ ] Um, but from what I remember correctly, the the the spellcaster gear was absolutely >> because that weapon was giving you like gear that was 60 in in regular vanilla.

[27:44] >> I think it was maybe 20 spell power >> and the staff of Jordan gave you I >> That was ridiculous. >> All right. You don't want to do that. >> hot take introduced tier system like delves to classic plus dungeon.

[27:57] >> Interesting. >> Or maybe cosmetics. Sure. right. And that's what I was just saying. Like I think the BFD gear for the most part outside of a couple of outliers was fine. Number was when it

[28:09] got ridiculous. >> By the way, Valyrian, I agree. Make LFG like mythic plus group finder. No teleport to dungeon and then you have to nothing wrong with that. >> They have that now in classic.

[28:21] >> Okay. Well, make it better. >> It's still half big to be very clear. that's really good. Do you guys think that would be bad or good? Like literally the the mythic plus group finder tool. So you you click the

[28:35] group because people are already using a [ __ ] version of it in that stupid add-on board. >> Yeah. And that's what I'm saying. So we >> Yeah. We have to do the [ __ ] that retail is doing right now where we're

[28:48] eliminating the use of [ __ ] add-ons. Bring it in the game. Edit mode. True. talking about. A barber shop. Can I get a barber shop? Can I cut my [ __ ] hair? Bulletin board. Bulletin board is swamp, bro. God. Major swamp. Summoning

[29:04] agree. Get rid of the whole warlock summoning services. That [ __ ] is crazy. Like, >> yeah, you got to stop those mafias and do it. >> Yeah, 100%. It's literally like you go

[29:17] in Burning Crusade right now, your chat, bro, is oh my god, it's swarmed with people selling you [ __ ] And this is why people on Classic, they they buy gold on

[29:29] these shady sites, Lance, because they see all these conveniences that retail would normally give them, but they're locked behind pay walls and gold, so >> It's the same [ __ ] >> There's nothing. And by the way, listen,

[29:43] I I I think for Classic Plus, a lot of things TBC ended up adding >> is the original Classic Plus. Like, they definitely need to do [ __ ] like that. 100%. I agree. like summoning stones should be in um

[29:58] the way I think >> summons today that's crazy >> I think they should base and especially if you're going to do like these these dungeons uh like level bending raids >> do TBC itemization on the on the

[30:11] >> for sure I agree um now I want to ask you guys this is a hot take the history of wild phase 3 saw has never been seen you can't overlook that data I don't know what that means I think you maybe meant phase two near the

[30:26] end of sod was a [ __ ] disaster but it also it wasn't a disaster just because of sunken temple let's make that clear >> no the peak of sod was at the end of phase one about to go into phase 2 I know for a fact 100% that was the peak

[30:40] of sod in terms of player count number that will never change let me go back to this is very critical I want to hear your thoughts would it be that bad to have something like delves in classic us where it's a solo player exper. Hold on.

[30:55] Wait a second. Let's talk about it before we instantly give a no. Let's >> I don't want to necessarily say no >> because I feel like they would do delves better and I feel like it would be a better experience in classic.

[31:07] >> Think about it. I would say maybe do it but do it more in a way like where you can't do it maybe solo at all, >> but maybe you trio. >> But what's the point in that? >> And no companion. Okay. No companion.

[31:23] >> That would be ridiculous. >> Then you should have to do duo or trio. >> So it's just a mini dungeon group. Then tanks would you would never find a tank again. >> Yeah, but this is still classic, right?

[31:35] companion would be dope. >> I'll take duo. tank necessarily. >> I'll take duo. >> Duo would be dope. By the way, if you could duo, we would probably do it

[31:47] >> Oh, right. It would probably be the biggest reason we would play classic. >> You're probably right. [laughter] Um, the most fun I had inside was Karazan Crips patch. Wow. That, you know, a lot of people said that. A lot

[31:59] of people said that. Threeman dungeons prop pal and dis priest would own. Yay. world. That's crazy. They need a companion, but not them. An annoying one that's just >> No, I I think in in classic I I wouldn't

[32:13] be It just doesn't fit. Hunter, pet tank. Uh, yes, that would be kind of >> Yeah, hunters would be a good per person to bring. Hunters having to buy ammo True. >> Uh, definitely you can't take away that

[32:27] Classic Plus. Don't take things like that away. Um, no. I mean, you can't. >> That's immersion putting like that is good for immersion having to buy ammo. I know it's annoying as [ __ ] and I would not want it in retail ever again, but in

[32:42] classic I want I would want it. >> Yeah. Now, a a big one for me, and we're about to get into the to the meat of some stuff right now. A big one for me the fact that I couldn't test out a build and like see what's going on, see

[32:57] how I feel, see if I like the game play. Either that or I'm spending a lot of probably don't have. >> No, I do not. Thought it takes. Should >> No, not again. Never again. >> I just don't think it fits in sadly. You

[33:11] to stand there in a classic dungeon. Oh god. And classic plus needs to be think totally different. I just think it needs to be that nice in between of convenience features. Honestly, it shouldn't even be more like classic. It

[33:26] should be TBC plus. >> You have to keep it classic like and I know everyone keeps saying things like classic coded where it's like you keep that spirit. Otherwise, what the [ __ ] is the point of playing it if it's like

[33:40] >> You want it to still feel like classic. I mean, you're right. >> I mean, you're right. >> More ways to play. Make it so it's not cool. >> I agree.

[33:52] >> Right. Um, also >> hot [ __ ] take. Oh boy. This whole world buff shit's got to go. >> And the being able to stack a million potions and flasks and elixirs. >> Let's just ask the chat. [ __ ] your

[34:06] opinion. Hey guys, 150 of you in here. Who thinks world buffs and absolutely insane requirements of potions and buffs and food buffs should just die? Anyone in this chat would possibly disagree with something like that? That is the

[34:21] with something like that? That is the most absolute swamp ass game design I've ever seen. Now, in terms of theory, immersion, and just being overall cool, it's very cool. I love the idea of I killed Ania, I turn in the quest, we get

[34:35] powerful because of it. But the problem is it's not like that. It's actually they're not designing it like that. And now the players don't play it like that. They play it as a meta opportunity to freaking parse a little bit higher on

[34:49] their [ __ ] doyur. >> The BFD world buff was perfect. And that's that's what like just Okay. >> Yeah. Wasn't it like movement speed? It is fine. >> Yeah. Like Okay, fine. One. And it's

[35:02] good for casters. It's good for for melee characters. I don't I don't think it should be. >> I have to go here, here, here, here. it's not like It's not like it was anyway. Now everyone's just getting

[35:16] teleport. Forbid you get ganked by a rogue. >> You don't have a trinket. You're sitting a a cheap shot kidney into a blind full reset sap cheap shot kidney combo. No one in the game is living that. Not even

[35:30] >> Well, Zero, you still should have flask. I just don't like the whole >> popping mongers. It's [ __ ] It's mongoose battle potion. Agility pot, strength pot, strength food. >> Once again, you go to it the way TBC did

[35:45] >> Go to TBC. I agree. >> I agree 100%. If a modern MMOR RPG was made today, it wouldn't have a worldbuff system. Classic Plus has a problem of modernizing. I think >> yes, but also those players don't want

[35:59] it to be modernized, which it is what it is. that's how they want their game to be. But if you were if a new game released and it was like the same game as classic

[36:12] today, it would not be popular. No, absolutely not. >> If this same game was released today, no, people would not pick it up. It'd be too It'd be too much for a niche category of MMO players. Like these

[36:28] players that still play classic, they love the fact that it's figured out. They love it. Even though they want to pretend like they don't and they wanted a new exciting world. No, they love it. >> No, they don't pretend. I I heard a few

[36:41] creators say that they like it because it is solved >> and that now it's like they love the optimization of trying to push it to the >> I mean, I'm sure it's fun. Are you saying if TBC came out today? No, I

[36:54] >> Classic. TBC is different. >> If you made I think I think that too. >> It's apples and oranges TBC, but I I'm sorry, but I'll never play classic. >> that's fine. It's not for everyone. >> Yeah, there's nothing majorly wrong with

[37:08] classic. Classic I yo, I will go to my grave saying I think the best MMO ever is classic. Wow. But hold on. You got to understand there's there's there's little caveats that come to this statement. It's the best MMO ever during

[37:23] [ __ ] co when we all have 10 hours a day to play if not more. It's the best It's the best MMO ever when you're in your teens and high school. When you play all day. It's the best MMO ever

[37:36] bills and mommy and daddy are paying everything for you and you got no responsibilities, no kids, no wife. Best MMO ever. But if I'm an adult, I don't >> I don't have time. Benji, shout out to you. Gave out one community subs. Thank

[37:50] some love. Get some comeback kid icons in the chat, baby. Comeback kid icons in retirement that are playing MMO these days. That's definitely true as well. >> For sure. I I What do you mean? There are a couple people in our guild

[38:05] >> that I talked to in voice chat. For sure. The real conspiracy. Oh boy. came out. Never had someone paying my bills. >> Just turned 40. >> Well, that's pretty cool. Never had

[38:19] someone never had someone bills. >> Oh, wow. >> When he started, he was already paying >> Oh, that sucks. >> Yeah, but also it's Yeah. I mean,

[38:32] >> I got to experience WoW when I was in elementary school, middle school, high school. I grew up playing WoW. >> I work Yeah. No, I definitely >> And uh I was very fortunate to be able to go through my entire life. You guys

[38:45] have to understand me and Lance our entire life literally from like earliest memories are World of Warcraft. without >> I don't know what type of games I was

[38:59] playing like what Guitar Hero like >> definitely a lot of Guitar Hero. So my point is is like we have a passion and love so deep for World of Warcraft. It's love so deep for World of Warcraft. It's embedded into our entire conception of

[39:13] embedded into our entire conception of children to teenagers to adults like top to bottom. So like when we talk about things when it comes to World of Warcraft and the love we have, we it's not some [ __ ] fake, you know, look

[39:26] for views type. Like no, it's our life. And now literally it is my whole life think you guys get my point. >> How How old are your niece and nephew? >> Oh, that'd be cool. >> Yeah, that's what I'm waiting for

[39:39] I can't wait to introduce >> Mary, you were in your 50s when WoW happened. >> Oh, wow. Mary, how old are you? >> By the way, Mary, I see you in other creators chats all the time.

[39:53] >> Yeah, Mary, I caught you in a Tales and Everel stream the other day. >> I've seen Mary in other people's chats. She is a World of the Warcraft. World of Warcraft ride or die >> fanatic. She loves WoW.

[40:06] yeah, Zugsy. Let's go. I agree. Classic is the best MMO for a time when we had would take forever to do anything. Yeah, because your whole life was you had nothing to do. You know, I play retail on my Steam Deck. Yo, Brandon, Steam

[40:21] Decks are [ __ ] I was just playing on it last night actually until 2:30. >> That's crazy. So, I've been playing WoW since I was 10, about to be 27. My brain function in is wired to wow. We're literally in the same exact mode.

[40:35] >> Literally. >> Yeah. A couple of years younger. Creedy, thank you. And Lobos for the follows. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much, guys. I appreciate the love. Thank you. Um, okay guys, I think it is officially

[40:47] breaking down some stuff going on across the industry as well as World of Warcraft. So, oh, with that being said, let's get into the weekly cooldown. right, it's time for the weekly cooldown. your full recap of everything

[41:00] that went down in World of Warcraft this week. From blue posts and patch notes to class changes, leaks, and more. We're breaking it all down for you right now. Whether you missed the day or the whole week, click that Hearthstone and get

[41:12] week, click that Hearthstone and get ready cuz this is your reset. We're here and we're ready to rock and roll. Let me fix my chat. Hold up. started on this? >> Let's hear I see a bunch of people

[41:25] when they Luna said she started when she was 32. Uh other people saying they >> Mhm. >> There did you guys think there's no way >> No [ __ ] way. >> Like when you first logged And then let

[41:41] me ask you this. If you knew that World of Warcraft would be a part of your life downloaded it? >> Oh, I don't. That's a tough question. Lance? That is a very tough question to

[41:54] ask. Like I dude I don't Yeah, for me I have to say World of Warcraft is my life and not not in a completely addictive way just because like >> I have such a deep passion and love for

[42:09] >> I would have taken it more serious. [laughter] that question for everyone, not just the people who who are, you know, maybe a

[42:21] little bit on the older side. Anyone who's been playing for more than 10 years, just if you've had more than 10 years playing World of Warcraft, if you would you have [ __ ] hit the download button and bought the game? Look at

[42:35] Malinu on the bottom. We'll go through his comments at all, bro. I'm sorry. >> Fix right really really quick, guys. I don't know where my alert box is. Hold on. Can't find it. 19 years over and over again.

[42:50] elementary school. Now he has three kids. That's insane. >> Wow. Incredible. Shout out to >> started in 2005, man. 60 phone typing. Holy [ __ ] Sorry about that. >> I'm 69 now. Started when WoW was

[43:04] >> I'm going to be honest, guys. I think we're at the point as a community and and people and players, I think if you've been playing WoW this long, you're going to see it till the wheels fall off. Either you or the game. Either

[43:19] your wheels are going [laughter] to fall off or the game are. Like I don't think personally. Well, hold on. Let me ask the question before and I know where you're going. >> Let's say WoW goes another 20 years and

[43:31] it's going strong. Do you do you see yourself still wanting >> Me? You? >> Absolutely. It's my dream as a content creator to be able to hold down content for the best MMO of all time. I take

[43:48] such pride in the fact that I get to put out content at a very high level and give people quality entertainment uh uh guides and and things to help them in their dayto-day that I people I look up to. Okay? All these people in the

[44:02] chat, all you people playing for 20, 30 years, 60 years old, 70 years old, 50, years, 60 years old, 70 years old, 50, 60, 40, 30, I look up to you because you're exactly where I want to be. I want to be 50 years old playing WoW as

[44:15] passionate as I am. I want to be 40. I want to love the game. I want to love I want to do the whole thing. So, for me personally, absolutely. It would be it personally, absolutely. It would be it would be an honor to help them live out

[44:28] however long they play or however long they live to give them content. It's a they live to give them content. It's a pleasure of mine. No problem. 100%. >> Yeah. No doubt. And that's the truth.

[44:43] >> I I agree. And I've seen the sentiment now in chat a couple of times. I hope out to you. Thank Thank you so much if you guys are here. Come back kid icons >> Come back kid icons in the chat. We got to get to the point where Oh yeah,

[44:57] Scalder's already on it. Shout out to Kiko. Thank you. Uh, keep going, Lance. Sorry about that. I've now seen a few people in the chat say that they hope that they get to play with their kids one day. And I know for a like I I feel

[45:09] the same way. You know, my son Oh, absolutely. I I can't wait till the day like, Atlas, this is what this is what I've been doing. Like, this

[45:22] has been my thing. I You know what I was thinking the other day? I was just thinking the other day like, yo, how how crazy would it be if I'm building up this house in my in the neighborhood and I eventually show it to him one day?

[45:37] >> wouldn't that be [ __ ] insane? Is that crazy? That would be awesome. >> Like, yo, here's my house. Like, what? Or like obviously a horrible situation. Or like obviously a horrible situation. Like, what if I pass away and I have my

[45:50] son or daughter or Atlas or you know your kid, they go, "Man, what was he up to in WoW like when he was alive? Like, what was he doing? What like this? Is this his home? Why did he decorate it like this? Why did he put the walls up?"

[46:02] to think about? >> 100%. And that's that's one more thing that makes this game feel like a world, >> right? and your baby and uter already >> That's good. >> Let me tell you, by the way, so um you

[46:16] guys know that new housing trailer that came out during the state of Azeroth with the Aussie tribute in it. >> Yes. So, I've been my my son, he watches that video. He loves the rogue killing the void walkers. He freaks out every

[46:30] one and a half. He's almost two. But every time he sees the rogue stabbing this void walker, he looks at me and he goes for him. But that's one under for the follow. Appreciate it. Huge. Thank you.

[46:44] Um but then when my mom I'm coming home starts playing, he's now singing it. And just today he started going mama home. And he's never strung too. It's just crazy. And it's a very interesting. >> I can't wait to be able to sit him on my

[46:58] lap and be like, "Son, this is this is my game." for for all you people in chat, how many of you have kids that you want to have them play World of Warcraft bullshitting, cuz I have a follow-up question.

[47:11] I want to know now for those of you answering yes and you're putting it in chat now. This is a very interesting discussion. What class are you going to try to push on your son or daughter to play like

[47:27] when they're playing with you? And and this is very interesting. And why are Are you going to have them play a tank? Are they going to play D? And why? I'm just very curious. I just want to hear the the, you know, because one day I'm

[47:40] >> I >> What about you? >> I'm not going to try to push him into anything cuz I want to see >> Interesting. >> Because I do think the the class you

[47:54] really speaking to you when you end up maning has something to do with personality. I I do. Well, think about it like this. Most the time if people main warriors hardcore, they usually work out and they're in shape and

[48:07] they're fit or they're big. >> Usually, if they play a mage, they're >> usually built like me. >> Yeah. If they play something like a warlock, they're a bit emo and they're dark and they like they're

[48:20] >> Or the demon hunter, for example. Who's our homeboy that makes the content? Jedith. You ever seen his haircut and the way he edgy? He's a little on the >> He's a little edgy. So, my point is, you're absolutely right. Classes have

[48:33] >> Yeah. I want to see I want to see where he goes cuz I don't want to push like >> Yeah. >> Cuz that's also not going to help him see what makes him fall in love with the game.

[48:46] >> Let's go through some of these responses here. Uh Zithril says, "I'm here. I have soon. That's epic. I I want to hear about that journey." Keragene, I need a tank. So, they have no choice. Likely a druid. Mage or paladin? They better

[49:00] learn the tank. Daughter, mage, son, probably warrior. That's what I'm identify my husband's body by the back [laughter] of his head from always play. [laughter] of his head from always play. Oh god. Uh me. My daughter's a computer

[49:12] gamer. She tried WoW. She'll try WoW one day. Okay. Those are my favorite to play. She wants to play a hunter because she likes pets. I mean, >> That's such a true thing. My son still plays with me. He's 51. I love that.

[49:25] Holy [ __ ] Mary. What a legendary life you live. I need a pocket tank druid. She loves animals. Death knight. I want to see a cringy goth face. [laughter] >> Yo, what if you just start showing her Warcraft 3 or your kid Warcraft 3 and

[49:41] >> What if the Lich King? >> Yeah. What if their first game was like >> Holy [ __ ] >> By the way, that's smart though. >> Yeah. Absolutely. your your APM in multi like uh uh uh oh my god, what's the

[49:54] things at once. >> Sure, whatever. But there was there's another term for it. But >> you have them play Warcraft and then you you introduce to them World of Warcraft and Classic.

[50:08] [ __ ] mind. >> Yeah. You show them Warcraft first and >> Wow. that no because that would push them into wanting to be either a paladin or a death knight

[50:21] >> There ain't no way you're going to play through the Artha story line and not want to be a [ __ ] paladin or really know what the hell's going on. >> They probably depends when you start. >> Probably have to tell them about it.

[50:33] >> What about gun hunter player [ __ ] right? Pocket healers. Let's go. I had to create characters in vanilla out to support his character. Oh man. >> [laughter] >> My son's a huge gamer, but his thing is

[50:46] FPS game. Yeah, that's usual. That's very typical. It's very, very typical. very typical. It's very, very typical. Um, APM axes per minute. I'm a druid. man. Anyways, I just wanted to hear that from you guys. I thought that was

[50:58] interesting. Uh, let's get into some of this. Uh, more class changes on and UI improvements coming with midnight patch 12.0.1. Um, hold on one second. Let me fix something. Uh, can I There we go. Much God. Um, so Blizzard re made an uh

[51:14] new patch. We're going to get some improvements here. One of them is based on the UI enhancements, the damage meters, boss alerts, and more. So, I believe if we click this link, we'll actually get some um clearer breakdowns.

[51:29] I'm not going to go through class changes. That is a slog. I mean, guys, I shout out for the follow. Thank you so much, guys. We're getting a lot of guys so much. We have almost 60 viewers right now.

[51:42] >> That's crazy. >> That's crazy. Shout out to you guys. changes. Um, in the cooldown manager, icon padding can now be set to zero. Uh, but there was there was one that was big. Where is it? I don't know where it

[51:57] is. There was one that was like pretty There was one that was like pretty sizable in terms of change. Um, I think maybe I might have it. Let me go over here for a second, guys. Fix name

[52:10] plates, please. Oh, yeah. True. You're absolutely right. 100%. >> Twitter. Am I signed in on my Twitter here? Let's wait. Huh? I believe

[52:27] [clears throat] think is it? this up. Shout out to Mr. GM as usual. [ __ ] incredible content creator. Uh,

[52:41] in patch 12.0.1, you'll be able to change the boss ability warnings to show as bars instead of just default. >> Oh, interesting. updates here. And then there were also changes.

[52:53] >> That's actually good. >> No, absolutely. It's a major W. By the and I'm I'm not trying to rag on classic anymore. I'm over that. But >> when I was on TBC, I was like, "Oh, man.

[53:06] this spell. Let me let like instinctively I was like, "Yo, let me open up the cooldown manager." And then I was like, "Holy [ __ ] that doesn't >> and then I need to go download Weor and then find the [ __ ] animation and then

[53:19] >> Bro, you don't even know Manager is awesome. >> you know. Listen, it's not as powerful as Weak Wars was. Definitely, but it's

[53:31] >> The level of convenience it brings is just peak to me. That's also my point. I'm assuming you were talking about on the Steam Deck. >> Uh, no, it wasn't that difficult. Um, oh, he got his collector's edition.

[53:44] >> A lot of people have started, by the way. You should probably check your edition yet? >> Do you know where your tracking is? >> No. >> And now you have two common. Why is not

[53:58] >> And now you have two common. Why is not barbshot tracked by cool down? It is. What do you mean? I thought it was. I'm almost positive it was. Am I Am I crazy? >> Yeah. Uh not being able to track the trinkets or potions is is pretty bad.

[54:13] >> I've seen someone whose workound is that they created an actual bar >> and hid all of the ones that aren't in use and just put their potions and >> Yeah, very interesting. >> And uh trinket and just put it there. It

[54:26] is mating. Okay, cool. I thought so. I thought I was [ __ ] crazy. Uh 12.0.1 1.1 class changes, map update, login screen, UI updates. screen, UI updates. I I cuz I saw one for the DPS meters

[54:39] that was like a really big honestly like a notable change that I wanted to bring thing. >> Oh yeah. Did anyone go to this northern >> anywhere? I want to go to that. >> Hold on. Going to the northern live

[54:51] thing on February 21st in Toronto. Broform, are you going to that? Let me >> I would love to go to that but getting to Toronto take time off for the launch would be tough.

[55:06] >> Uh let's get >> any Canadians a who are going to go. See you later. Um so they also made some additional changes to the pre- patch. Uh

[55:19] pretty horrible. It's not a good event. It's not fun. It's not cool. Uh the theme is a little bit bland and they could have done substantially better. In my opinion, the worst pre-patch event of all time. Now, with that being said,

[55:33] do to make this thing better? How can we avoid this disaster from happening ever again in World of Warcraft? Um let's see if they continue to make actually good changes. Um Twilight Rare event completion now gives 35% of a level for

[55:49] including ritualist and rare kill experience. for leveling up. It will now entire level. >> Is it every time you kill a rare? >> So like you do the whole event, you walk through whatever. So it gives about 35%

[56:05] of a level. Uh which is pretty good. Uh I also saw something along the lines of world quests. Yes, I believe it's right here. Uh world quest will give you a fat amount. Um >> for example, this is 8,000 XP plus 6.

[56:19] >> for example, this is 8,000 XP plus 6. That's about 24k. So 24K is about 66% of >> Uh is that is that right? Yeah, I guess. Yeah, it's about relatively. Yeah, there you go. The numbers right. 66%. Um so doing each world quest actually gives a

[56:33] doing each world quest actually gives a pretty good amount of XP. But you know, still >> the event is horrible. It's bad. It's good. So guys, my point is, and the reason why I added this is not to just

[56:46] tell you >> if you're Andrew, what's going on? If >> if you're Andrew, what's going on? If you guys are leveling from 70 to 80, now is a great time to just log in once a day, do a couple world quests, bang it

[56:59] out. See you later. So, if you if you have any alternate characters you'd be interested in trying my monk. Yeah, whether it be your a monk, a hunter, whatever alternate class, get on them, do a couple world quests, keep them in

[57:11] the zone, and then log in every couple days, and you will level up very, very >> Yeah, I should do that. So definitely definitely take uh advantage of that. Um, additionally, there was a very interesting interview guys over the last

[57:25] few weeks uh for World of Warcraft. Has anyone else heard of quotes or anything >> or thoughts from this week of World of Warcraft? Um, when it comes to Holly Longdale, anybody anybody heard any discussions or talks or topics or drama?

[57:40] Cuz typically around retail World of Warcraft, there is nothing but drama. Warcraft, there is nothing but drama. Lance, have you? Um, yeah. Yeah, I uh definitely I uh been, you know, I heard a lot of the

[57:56] >> Did you really? What was the drama, Lance? Talk to me about it. Not that I agree with any of it. And um I wish we did not call it Warcraft. Yeah. By the did not call it Warcraft. Yeah. By the way, I think a lot of people who

[58:11] are upset about that either a didn't actually watch the interview or are taking something that was kind of said as like, okay, yeah, Chris Metson said that, but like she said it in a laughing way, like it's a tongue-in-cheek way he

[58:24] says it like, oh yeah, you know, >> I wish we didn't even call it that, you yeah, that's kind of, you know, intimidating. I wish we didn't call Warcraft. And then she says right after, but she's like, "Yeah, but no one, you

[58:37] they're not upset that they called it Warhammer, right?" And it was like, >> "That's not what was said." Yeah. Mouth. And that's kind of leading into what he And that's kind of leading into what he was saying. It's like it was like very

[58:51] >> obvious that it wasn't meant like >> she said it and yeah he said it was like oh you know a joke around the office is Mson comes in and he goes oh man I wish we didn't call it Warcraft right like and if you actually listen to the

[59:07] [ __ ] interview or you understand how to like digest and and have media literacy at all you would understand that the way she was saying it was a [ __ ] joke. [laughter] She She laughs right after saying it and then says,

[59:23] >> "Oh, yeah, but like no one thinks that about Warhammer." So, it's like, "Use >> You know, listen, it's it's like classic players being hysterical over it and Holly." Like, "Oh, this is this is the woman running World of Warcraft. What

[59:37] [ __ ] She's been running she's been handling MMOs since [ __ ] EverQuest. Shut up. She handled one of, if not the greatest MMOs of all time.

[59:50] And you want to sit here and act like, "Oh, she's a woman. She's running WoW >> You don't like Holly, she gives you bad vibes. How is that vibes? >> Also, by the way, ever since she took over the ship, which was in sh the

[1:00:02] middle of Shadowlands, she took over right when [ __ ] started turning around in 19.5, the game has been nothing but getting >> Say what you say what you will about this, guys.

[1:00:15] Since Holly Longdale has completely taken over, the course correction of World of Warcraft has been insurmountably better.

[1:00:27] Shadowlands, I felt I was like, "Holy [ __ ] Classic just came out. There's TBC in a couple years." That's what I was thinking. And I thought to myself, is this the death of Retail WoW? like will I ever be interested in retail

[1:00:43] Dragonflight I saw the trailer, I still wasn't that interested. >> I remember when the Dragonflight expansion launched, still wasn't that interested. Even though we were getting views, still not that interested.

[1:00:55] with The War Within. >> I'm like, maybe I'm a little bit more like the more I play it, the more I understand what's going on, the additions they've made in the changes. The course correction took so much work.

[1:01:10] The damage these expansions caused have been a disaster. But my point is is the leader at the helm is changing things nothing for the better. Now of course

[1:01:22] the vibe check is a personal thing. It is what it is. But the truth and fact of the matter cuz I only try to talk about facts not feelings and opinions. Okay. Fact is, the game is course corrected drastically better ever since Holly's

[1:01:37] gone on board and she is a badass. >> First off, do you guys understand the the how massive World of Warcraft? >> World of Sims, that's cap leaky. you're just going to like if you're going to argue, man.

[1:01:52] argue in bad faith, that's one thing. >> Let's have a real discussion here. I get me'd on every day I put out a video, man. Like let's have a real discussion, community discussion, guild discussion. Like let's let's work

[1:02:06] through it. No memes. No memes. No memes. Even though I like joking that version we got in Dragon Flight was just sluggish and bad. Are you are you >> Oh, I >> because if you're talking about like the

[1:02:19] Guild Wars 2 version, which I mean that looks cool, but um crazy. >> That's crazy. [laughter] Take out the talent tree completely. You talent tree now. >> Maybe a hot take. Hot take.

[1:02:33] >> I like the talent tree now. >> I like it. >> I mean, the thing is with talent trees in general, especially in the way WoW is played now, it's always going to be an illusion of choice, right? Okay.

[1:02:46] >> You know, if you're trying to play at the highest level. So, like it depends. But I do know like optically I think people enjoy this more than they enjoyed like the mop talent trees. I would say >> Atheian, you're hilarious. Uh, Kelly,

[1:03:01] what's going on, Max? How we doing, baby? Welcome, welcome. Love you, buddy. I'm Mojo. Thank you for the follow. Appreciate the love. Um, skyriting is more safeguards for health. By the way, I think you're right. Cuz like I I'll

[1:03:14] try to have Star do skyriding and she gets like dizzy and nauseous immediately. Isn't that weird? I don't feel it even for two seconds. But but when you do skyriding, you get kind of weirded out with your eyes and it's like

[1:03:29] >> I believe we eventually go back to mop talent roles. And you know what? That wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing. I'm not saying that's a good or a bad thing. >> time to full screen. Ooh, mop talent trees aren't a bad thing. That [ __ ] was

[1:03:41] talent trees of all time. >> You know, when they initially brought us >> let's ask the people before you get your point. What do you guys think? Should we go back to Mr. Pandaria classic type talent trees where it's like three

[1:03:54] and you have maybe six or seven. Go. Sorry. No. So, like I think when they initially, you know, showed the dragonfly ones and then we got to play much cooler and it makes me >> feel like it's cl like, you know, gives

[1:04:08] >> Wow. >> First time chat by one under just to say no to you. Shut your ass up. >> Well, I'm not saying that they should. >> I'm just messing. I just >> I don't think the mop talent trees

[1:04:20] >> Because >> Okay. Are they worse than cataclysms? >> No, I don't think they're I actually think Cataclysms is the worst they've >> I do. I think the mop and beyond like Mop to Shadowlands is that better than

[1:04:35] Mop to Shadowlands is that better than that. And the thing is all of those points and while it's still illusion of choice, yeah, but all of the points mattered and they gave you something powerful every single time. Listen, I

[1:04:47] will say the second you got them, it was a superhero point that you used. >> But the leveling bracket and we've seen videos on this probably even from BelleUR. Like the progression scaling is so steep. Like it's one level you feel

[1:05:00] this and then you're not doing anything until you get it again. >> It sucks for leveling. >> I would say my point is I it was all [ __ ] It was all [ __ ] You had to set talents. It's just and of course

[1:05:14] this the best build ever. Okay, whatever. But there is still minor versions of choice that don't lose you grandandy like a vast amount of percentage in DPS loss tanking ability

[1:05:28] or heals. Like for example, if you don't pick the right talent in Miss Pandera, you're going to lose a chunk of either DPS, survivability or whatever. Like a chunk very heavy. Now, with the modern day talent calculator, it's very

[1:05:42] minuscule. It could be a couple percentage points at best at your best percentage points at best at your best day. Like, so I feel like there's, of choice because there's always going to be a meta build, but it's a lot less

[1:05:55] like more impactful if you want to [ __ ] off and do whatever build you want, if that makes sense. Does anyone understand like what I'm saying here? Am I crazy? >> I don't I don't think you're crazy. >> I don't disagree. Um, but I don't think

[1:06:07] I I think people hate on those probably more than they should. And I do think it makes it easier to design the game, >> especially at a time when they were adding every [ __ ] expansion some sort of borrowed power on top of it.

[1:06:21] >> I'll I'll give in a little bit. I think if they modernize Misipand area talents and they combined it with things like the hero talent tree as well as Apex talents then you got some good stuff because

[1:06:34] well that's kind of what they had because during that time we went from I mean if you're going to talk from like Legion you had your Legion artifact plus that plus then in BFA you had that plus your uh Azerite gear. you have these

[1:06:48] things on top of it. And I think if you're going to go into a route where maybe they do start like adding some more b I can't [ __ ] speak borrowed more b I can't [ __ ] speak borrowed power then yeah that's not a bad thing.

[1:07:00] I I do think right now it's not no [ __ ] borrow power. Never bring that [ __ ] back ever. Do not ever bring borrowed power. Always work on evergreen systems like spend time investment on things for the future. [ __ ] borrow power. Never again.

[1:07:13] My point is is if I think a system like that can only work in today's day and age if you combine it while maybe a little bit of expanding on the hero talent trees each of them be a little bit of expansion on apex talents. I

[1:07:27] think I think that would be enough to where it's like okay we might have something here that feels not like swamp ass.

[1:07:40] power was mostly bad because warb bands didn't exist. Wait a second. Back to into the borrowed power discussion/argument? Cuz we've had a hot take debate me and Lance on borrowed power. I This is our

[1:07:54] biggest argument me and Lance have to the day we die. He likes the idea of borrowed power. I [ __ ] hate it. >> When done right, >> artifact weapons [ __ ] bang. I don't give a [ __ ] what no one says. Heart of

[1:08:07] >> did not bang. >> [ __ ] Heart of Azeroth >> did not bang. But yo, artifact weapons, [ __ ] >> legendary legendary armor and items. Shadowlands.

[1:08:23] >> Exactly. What else do we got? Complete borrowed power. Think beyond uh mop. Uh, was the legendary cloak? Wasn't that still Legion? Was that Legion or or BFA?

[1:08:35] Which one was that? Legendary cloak. >> BFA. >> Yeah. >> That's still That's a two for one [ __ ] ring? >> Was there any borrowed power? I guess I

[1:08:47] >> You had covenants >> part of Azeroth. Yeah. [ __ ] right off. >> Shadowlands, that's a great example. Borrowed power there as well. think? >> Hold on. Because you know what?

[1:09:01] community right now. something like covenants if they don't make it so and like don't make it so you can't change there. That was actually that bang too. I'm sorry. I also think if you do the covenant systems properly like

[1:09:16] the actual renown progression that could feel good. I also think that would bang feel good. I also think that would bang too. And I but that's different though. Obviously you don't tie covenants to power. You tie them and and you give

[1:09:29] think they believe they did that at uh what patch was that I believe right when >> right when [ __ ] homeg girl took over. >> that's very coincidental. Weird. Anyways, my point is um Covenants

[1:09:48] and Shadowlands certain systems can work with just two expansions later of modernizing. You know what I mean? Legion was the best bar of power. Yeah, Legion was the best bar of power. Yeah, Lance Lance will beat his chest at the

[1:10:00] made. >> And just say that. That's what I was going to say. Lance will Lance will go like King [ __ ] Kong to the Empire State. He'll climb there. No chalk and all. Climb up, take off his shirt, show

[1:10:14] the dad bod. Legion's the best expansion ever, >> bro. 100%. >> No, no. TBC is great and they're both in my top three. Legion is the best expansion.

[1:10:28] >> Yes, for me I think Legion is the best expansion of all. The dungeon pool is really solid. The first introduction mythic plus. Um the raids are S tier almost across the entire board. Class order class order stories and artifact

[1:10:45] weapons and artifact powers. There was there was reasons to log in every day. I think the introduction of world quest as well, right? Um, so Nicholas, in Legion, I wasn't much into like following the WoW community and I just kind of played

[1:10:59] with you, I just loved it. >> Wait, wait a second. Were there world >> World Quest was a Legion thing. Okay, >> that's when they stopped doing dailies versions of World Quest, I think, are better than today's. I think World

[1:11:14] >> They took longer to do, >> but they were more impactful and they also gave you those emissary chests that had the ability to give you rare things. legendaries in mounts and remember that. >> No, no, no, no. Legion world quest were

[1:11:26] have actually gotten worse. >> Well, 100%. >> Cuz they've stagnated and they haven't like they really need to implement and >> Let me tell you something right now. >> If they give us world quest 2.0 on top

[1:11:39] of Prey, on top of delves and labyrinths, >> uh Chris Medson is not the reason Legion was good. He he's Chris Metson's like a story guy. He's not a game design like he's not designing gameplay systems and

[1:11:53] elements. Story overall design is like his bag. >> So, I don't know if we can I don't want to say Chris Metson is the reason Legion was good. I don't want to go that far. Um but he definitely had something to do

[1:12:07] to do with probably the story becoming good again in the future. You know, in Midnight and Beyond. I agree. You can't really improve on old world quest due to limitation.

[1:12:21] >> World quest due to limitations. We can't improve on world quest. That's tough. I >> I just don't find that believable. There has to be a way. >> No. I'm pretty sure if we [ __ ] even us as a team here sat down for 5 hours

[1:12:34] fix. >> Okay, let's talk about it. Let's ask We got 180 people in the chat combined across YouTube and Twitch. How can you make world quests better? I'll start. Back in Legion, they had the four the

[1:12:50] idea was if you did four quests in XYZ variant, for example, um in for reputations for like the wardens or if you did them for the people from Ajara or the High Mountain Tribe, you would then get an emissary chest. in that

[1:13:07] chest. It would give you a like some gold, whatever, but then also a very small chance at a very rare exclusive reward, whether it be cosmetic, a potential mount, and even a legendary. I remember this very clearly cuz I got one

[1:13:20] >> Juny actually makes a good point. The addition of special assignment is to better. That's cool because the special assignment >> I was in true >> was kind of like fun actually. Some of

[1:13:32] love. Good night, man. The one in the aisle of dawn when you have to fly the >> Yeah. >> Um, >> I think the special assignments are pretty cool. Oh, the one in [ __ ]

[1:13:44] guys. >> But at the end of the day, what's the reward here? Like I I it does give us a piece and I believe it's a veteran piece if I'm not mistaken. It's your first epic that you can obtain and

[1:13:59] I remember because in the war within I got my weapon. brain dead take. got my weapon. brain dead take. >> Um, my point is, my point is this. That's just another quest. How can we make it to where I'm like, like, yo, I'm

[1:14:14] maybe my weekly world quests, which are like, but they never scale them, so they're end up irrelevant in two weeks. My problem is, how can we get that feeling, ladies and

[1:14:28] gentlemen? Feelings is what get people to do certain things. How can we get them to have a good feeling of wanting and needing to go do world quests right now? You will catch me doing world quests the first week of a season.

[1:14:43] >> Prey could help with that, too. >> Ray will absolutely help with that. making it so when you're doing world quest, you might get [ __ ] bombarded >> because the idea of prey is you're forced to be out in the world and do XYZ

[1:14:57] right next to it. >> Tie world quest to other activities to Bring back emissary caches with the >> in Legion there was world quest that would tell you to go do a dungeon.

[1:15:11] that? >> Sepho uh Sephiloon. Can you tell me what that the boss rush and DF. I don't know what that is. I'm sorry. I I'm an idiot not play enough. Prey is optin, not force. Remember that. True. What I wish

[1:15:25] right, man. If they could scale the special assignments forwards, much like >> Interesting. >> My problem is, guys, is we all know you the season. They're irrelevant afterwards. You never do them again.

[1:15:39] They're boring and they're horrible. Hey, 800 800 gold is 800 gold. >> 50 bucks is 50 bucks, huh? >> 800 gold for like one.

[1:15:53] going? >> No, but I'm just saying 800 gold is not >> 50 bucks is 50 bucks. That's all I heard. That is the craziest [ __ ] Make rewards actually rewarding, not

[1:16:08] True. Uh, the problem is we're being bribed to do activities rather than drawn. Oh, I like that. Very interesting. the rewards, so like

[1:16:21] >> Oh, you need world quest to reward profession points or transmog tokens or something or even mount tokens. >> You know, I didn't make that argument that there should be a currency earned out in the world for the activities that

[1:16:34] you perform that can build >> all this. The solution was in Legion >> What? Heroic world tier. >> Heroic [ __ ] world tier. and then scale the rewards up. That's the fix. That's literally the fix to to World

[1:16:48] Quest to make them better. What are we thinking? Actually, they already did it. They figured it out in Legion Remix. We have the answer. That's it. Holy [ __ ] What are we talking about,

[1:17:11] great first step. And then add in bosses, add in add in elite camps, bosses, add in add in elite camps, right?

[1:17:23] listen, I love the idea of heroic world quest. You don't need to convince me. Like, I love heroic world tier. Make them [ __ ] juiced up to the guilds. Let me get some cool achievements that can lead to cosmetics. Give me rewards

[1:17:37] toward professions. Give me better rewards toward gear. Or maybe even like >> Even give me not just I think what is the first one? What's the first crest it like is it weathered crest actually? >> Yeah, I think we

[1:17:50] carved crest as well. So, you go from weathered to carved and then and then anything beyond carved you have to do group content or really difficult delves >> like [ __ ] Yeah, sign me up. I'm there. >> Yeah. Also allow you to do heroic world

[1:18:04] >> Wait, really quick, chat. If you guys are in YouTube right now, we're about 10 viewers away from our alltime record on Twitch. If you guys want to show some love to the comeback kids and the community, head on over to the Twitch

[1:18:17] with a second tab. I'm putting the link right now. How sick. >> This is called inflating the numbers. Shout out to you guys. Boost it up. >> Go for it. >> No, but how sick would it be?

[1:18:30] >> Fine. Let me open a tab. How sick would it be if when you were leveling you could do heroic world tier in regular game and make it hard scale it so okay fine you get more XP and you'll get more chances at some better loot while you're

[1:18:43] chances at some better loot while you're leveling who cares are you kind of >> but how cool would that be would anyone opt in would anyone opt into heroic world tier if that was an option while leveling

[1:18:56] >> yo you're kind of cooking and then also Yeah. >> Another one. Make it so while you're leveling, you could do heroic world tier dungeons to make those harder, too. >> What the [ __ ] did you just say?

[1:19:11] >> More XP for the for the kill each. >> You're doing that thing again, Lance. drops more loot. >> What about heroic world tier mythic >> I didn't say that, dumbass. Like, >> you're saying heroic world tier dungeon

[1:19:26] is just while you're leveling. >> Okay. What kind of world could you give? whole group. >> So, what? Just like an extra one or two >> Is that worth it? >> More XP while you're leveling.

[1:19:40] That's insane. My My alert box is broken, guys. I'm sorry. Trying my best. broken, guys. I'm sorry. Trying my best. >> What's going on? Good luck. Maybe >> you don't think that if they gave more XP while you were leveling in more group

[1:19:54] in heroic world, they wouldn't want it. >> People would absolutely do it for way, it'd be good for collectors, too. Collectors, holy [ __ ] we have 100 viewers on Twitch. >> That's insane, guys. You are incredible.

[1:20:07] huge animation setup. Or do I? Wait a second. Chat, you know what time it is. If you're here in the chat, [music] let's get some huge.

[1:20:25] Oh, and we got a sub. Shout out to you community members. Let's go. absolutely amazing. This is such an amazing stream so far. Really, you guys

[1:20:41] today. I've been exhausted doing work and prepping and doing everything. And with the show with you guys. And it's crazy. >> Yo, heroic pet battles. Heroic

[1:20:55] consumables. Bro, YOU'RE [ __ ] INSANE. YES, [laughter] BRO. Heroic consumes. Heroic transmog. Heroic [ __ ] weapon grind. >> bro. [laughter] Heroic [ __ ]

[1:21:10] Heroic [ __ ] heroic talent. Heroic erotic roleplay game. Guys, we figured out how to fix World of Warcraft. >> [ __ ] I'm so smart.

[1:21:23] You're [ __ ] good. Grim Blade, shout out to you with the gift of tier one, baby. Thank you so much, man. Mythic consumes. [laughter] Yo, you guys are [ __ ] fried. Yo, you guys are beyond cooked, bro. Heroic crafting. Wait,

[1:21:36] heroic crafting recipes can create logging in. Download. >> Heroic authenticator. To log into your account, you have to win tic-tac-toe 100 times to be able to log in.

[1:21:50] times to be able to log in. >> Heroic PC to buy at Best Buy. Yo, we figured the [ __ ] out. Heroic >> heroic neighborhoods. >> Heroic sub. >> We figured it out. Yo, hell's

[1:22:09] crazy. What about my heroic internet connection? True. Heroic WoW token. >> Yes, we're [ __ ] dude. >> Yo, retail is the best, bro. >> Yo, someone clip this and send it to a classic [ __ ] streamer. We probably

[1:22:22] have a meltdown right now. >> Heroic Brutusaur. >> Heroic Brutusaur. >> Oh, it comes with a transmog repair as >> Oh, it comes with a transmog repair as well as a a [ __ ] uh uh [ __ ]

[1:22:35] >> No, it already comes with that. A [ __ ] like trainer to train anything >> Oh my god. >> And crafting [clears throat] table. >> And crafting [clears throat] table. >> Crafting. Yeah. Heroic Brutusaur. $500.

[1:22:49] >> Yep. the $500 heroic brut. >> And it also comes with an item >> And it also comes with an item generator. The heroic item generator. You get to make items. Holy. >> Do you guys play classic at all or

[1:23:01] just yesterday. >> Yeah, I was just playing TBC last night. >> what a disaster. >> I'm a heroic bot. >> Uh I love TBC and I love classic. They're they hold the closest place to

[1:23:14] my heart in terms of WoW. The problem is is that the game just just takes too much time to do anything and I I don't have the time. I'm more of a casual WoW player and that's why I I

[1:23:26] enjoy retail a lot. And classic is just I don't know. It's a little empty for me, believe it or not. I know that may sound crazy. Hot take classic. Wow feels empty. Mythic prepack. Dude, you guys are insanely smart. And by the way, I

[1:23:40] think that's due to the community, not actually the game. Um, quest and the designs and the dungeons and the like how the game's designed. I actually think the community in Classic could potentially be worse than League

[1:23:56] could potentially be worse than League of Legends. know you were, but I do. I think they're [ __ ] [ __ ] [laughter]

[1:24:11] keep getting sidetracked. I can't even get to the news, guys. Let's get to the >> Okay, >> let's talk more about heroic chill. [music] >> No. Um, we got a good debate, too, bro.

[1:24:23] I You think I made animations for Holy [ __ ] You made a huge >> [ __ ] huge animation. Oh my god, guys. I'm so sorry. I don't know why that's I'm so sorry. I don't know why that's playing again. Holy [ __ ] I am so sorry.

[1:24:36] >> I do want to just make it clear. Yeah. No, the classic player base is not as bad as leaks. I do want to say that classic players are just heroic dungeon runners. Um, classic players just do everything that they would do in retail,

[1:24:49] but takes more time because they think >> they think more time is more meaningful. >> Yes. >> And with more steps >> and and with more work. Wait, heroic

[1:25:02] classes. Oh my god, you cooked >> the heroic bard class. >> the heroic bard class. We need heroic huges. Oh [ __ ] Heroic emotes. Yo, wait. We kind of do have a form of heroic emotes cuz if you're a

[1:25:17] member, you're a heroic comeback. >> You guys are insanely smart, dude. We have the smartest chat on [ __ ] >> We have the smartest Wow chat, bro. You guys [ __ ] insane. >> Insane, bro. Heroic classes sounds like

[1:25:30] something out of Oh, god. >> They had zero hero classes planned early in vanilla. Like human mage could be arc mage. Oh man, that sounds awesome. Yeah, demon hunters >> and then uh dwarf warriors were going to

[1:25:43] >> berserkers or something. >> No, it was uh what's the what's the hero >> Uh mountain vein. >> Mountain veins. >> Oh, interesting. Wasn't the DK introduced as a hero class? Yeah, I mean

[1:25:55] the technical title term. >> Yes, DKs. >> evokers and demon hunters are all considered hero classes. Crazy how monk >> Cuz they're not a hero. >> Cuz they don't care about monk,

[1:26:09] >> Well, they're not like a legendary thing. Like in the lore, you see a demon hunter, they're they're pretty [ __ ] >> I agree, CJ. I think retail retail leveling needs to in a way get just overhauled. I I don't even know how

[1:26:24] just overhauled. I I don't even know how they fix it because the main content is people who have played for 20 years, investing resources in leveling is just not really an option. It's not really effective. Uh how they fix leveling in

[1:26:37] retail, I don't I don't have an answer. I'm I'm going to be honest. Well, it's a because you don't want it to take forever because you want people to be where they could actually play with >> heroic mythic plus.

[1:26:52] >> That's in [ __ ] that's the move. >> Like this is the ideas we need at how are you? >> But actually, you know what they they're doing? They're making some pretty good changes to leveling for new players come

[1:27:05] uh midnight where you're going to go through the dragonfly story. of the raids and do story mode raids and actually see the whole story. And then war. >> Also, you could also do lore walking in

[1:27:17] you could do stuff like that. >> Well, they're going to push you into >> It's cool, but they need to up the XP on [ __ ] like that like substantially. Like it's not enough even in the slightest. Like it's very underwhelming when you

[1:27:30] got to get through all but because they want you to go through the whole leveling campaign that we did to level up a streamlined version of it. Then they want you to go through the undermine and cares to go from 70 to 80

[1:27:43] and it's supposed to be like a 4hour thing. It's beyond mythic legendary. >> That's true. >> It's actually uh Bobby Cotek's yacht back in the day. Bobby K. >> Shout out to Bobby. Big Bobby Kodic.

[1:27:58] Heroic campaigns. Holy [ __ ] I mean, this is insane. The ideas coming out of >> Well, no, because I like at the start of an expansion do getting your 10 levels. I wouldn't want that to ever go away. >> I mean,

[1:28:11] the best part about >> Oh, leveling actually doesn't need to exist. Yeah. No, that's crazy. I I'm going to be honest, Osiris, leveling is so fun when a new expansion comes out. Like I find so much enjoyment and this

[1:28:26] is exactly why I say things about classic players the way I do because they they sit here and say things and this is quotes. This is not [ __ ] Retail has no soul. Retail has no world experience and this is that and retail

[1:28:40] doesn't do this right or that right. But when a classic expansion comes out, all they do is dungeon spam. For me, leveling is getting out in that world,

[1:28:52] understanding what's going on in these brand new zones and why, what's the story, questing, doing the quest, meeting the characters, understanding the reputations and why I'm even helping these this faction and and learning like

[1:29:07] that's for me. Now, I'm not saying that's for everybody, but my point and what makes my leveling journey just peak is is being out there in the world while classics just spam dungeons. Yeah, [ __ ] muppets. You're right. I mean,

[1:29:19] you're right. You're 100% right. Don't need a level up every now and then to experience that. >> So, you want me >> if they But if they didn't have that start of an expansion, a lot of people

[1:29:31] would just not do the campaign at all. >> Retail WoW is an amazing experience. I about it. Well, I think the tides are changing a bit and people are trying to >> starting Nicholas, you're saying 80 to 90 like at the start of the expans at

[1:29:44] the start of the expansion should be like faster than it probably is all >> but for me for the last like four expansions you could go from get to the max level in like 12 hours

[1:29:58] >> and also three zones not even four. >> Yeah, it takes like 12 hours. Yeah, it's >> Yeah, it takes like 12 hours. Yeah, it's really very fast. A lie. Retail is for the heroic young. Classic is for people that log in to walk. Um,

[1:30:13] no. I just think I think it's a time thing. I think you ask anybody whether they're an adult or they're young or a teen, whatever. If you have more time on your hands, you can play classic and enjoy the piss out of it. The problem is

[1:30:27] is everything just takes so much time in classic. Mounting up is 3 and 1/2 classic. Mounting up is 3 and 1/2 seconds. Mining an ore is 3 seconds. Like drinking and eating food and getting together a party and running

[1:30:43] corpse running and [ __ ] like everything takes so much time that I don't have to play a [ __ ] video game all day. Like I want to just play the video game and enjoy what's going on. And that's what retail gives me. And

[1:30:58] that's why it's like it it's it's so much it fits me so much better as an adult. and I'm not in COVID and I could play 10 hours a day. Retail just it gives me exactly what I want when I want. Not because it's easy or it's

[1:31:12] free, but just as just because it just it just gives me what I want when I want it. I want to go do dungeons, okay, I can do it almost in a matter of less than 10 minutes. I want to go do solo content, I'll go run some delves. I want

[1:31:26] to join a raid, a quick raid pug, I can. Like there's there's way less friction like and that's why I'm hooked on retail. I'm stuck. Can I JOIN YOUR >> WELL, >> someone send him the Discord.

[1:31:40] >> Uh, someone send him the Discord, please. I literally still can't log into my Discord. I'm still hacked, by the way. Shout out to all you guys that Cargo and Hammer on a podcast. >> I would [ __ ] love to get on a

[1:31:53] >> I actually like both those guys, particular Hammer Dance. He's actually I >> I would love to get on a podcast, but >> I like as a person. >> I don't like the way he thinks about the game at all.

[1:32:08] >> Caros is so stubborn. >> Love the I actually love his content, by >> I love his content. >> But let me tell you something. Cargo is so stubborn. He doesn't want to change the way he thinks even for a second. He

[1:32:23] wants to stay in 2004. That's it. [ __ ] right off if you think otherwise. And that's the truth and I've heard it from his mouth quote verbatim. >> No, I'm Yeah, I'm good. >> But I would love to have a classic

[1:32:36] person come on the show or go on someone else's show and talk just general topics and discussions and because you know this thing is is like these classic players have like a a potato sack pulled over their head on like how retail is

[1:32:52] when it's really not like that. Like they think retail right now is literally all housing and it's just microtransaction bananas and [ __ ] I don't even know what they think you're like. Isn't that sad to think? I I know

[1:33:06] there's things you can buy on the for housing. I don't even know what they housing. I don't even know what they are. There's really not much at all like at all. Classic lets you play the game retail.

[1:33:18] dungeon spam a classic and not do a story quest to unlock a feature. That's not true. Actually, as Koozie said, yeah, attunements are a thing, buddy. >> Those are a thing. And listen, I'm not saying that's good or bad, but let's not

[1:33:31] to do in classic. Let's not like rewrite history to fit our own narrative. Let's >> Uh, retail needs to get rid of scaling. I do think that uh >> well actually no because you always feel

[1:33:45] a little bit weaker as you level when you're leveling up becauseardless you're up you >> you're feeling unless you're constantly getting better gear which you're not you are technically

[1:33:58] >> well the stat scaling changes >> you're getting weaker >> like if you have 100 agility at level five it's going to be very different from 100 agility at level 35 understand so the scale scaling is substantially

[1:34:11] different. So, in a way, there's scaling in classic and there actually isn't in power. >> I mean, it's just different scaling. >> Uh, >> with that being said, I don't like the

[1:34:25] fact that everything's always bring CO back. Yo, I don't want to say it, >> but if there was another CO, >> which will be CO, but I wouldn't mind a >> Give me a lockdown. [ __ ] the CO. Give me a lockdown. Why do people want to skip

[1:34:39] have a max character though, you deserve the choice then. Uh what do you mean skip the story though? Like literally a free max level? Like what do you mean? just skipping the score story if you've already done it, they have that in

[1:34:52] and go right into world quest giving you fat XP. character. Yeah. >> Yeah. And then other activities as well. matter how much it dresses up and pretends otherwise. Sure.

[1:35:05] pretends otherwise. Sure. >> Okay. It will happen again. If it not a matter if we get a news pandemic, but when? Okay, let's I don't know. a pandemic. >> Well, you're not an epidemiologist, so

[1:35:17] >> I'm not hoping for a pandemic. I'm simply just saying I'll take a lockdown. Okay. >> What story quest are you talking about have story quest, per se. >> No, they definitely do not.

[1:35:31] >> So, there's nothing really to skip or not skip. You have to understand classic is one of those games where in order to understand what is actually going on, you need to read between the lines very deeply. And 99.9%

[1:35:47] of classic players pretend like they do when in actuality they don't. They couldn't tell you the single bit of lore of almost any zone that isn't completely on the nose. Like, do they know what's going on in Wetlands? And why? Why are

[1:36:01] the Black Rockck there? Why are um why are there wellplings everywhere in like right now has >> actually Nicholas you're wrong. Classic have to dig or actually read. >> They actually have a lot and they're

[1:36:16] >> There's no cut scenes or anything. >> But you need to understand the characters pre even entering into Warcraft. Like that's why there was how out? Like >> it was a [ __ ] 10.

[1:36:28] >> Yeah, classic definitely has stories. So my problem is is like

[1:36:40] Stormwind do you not know or are you asking me genuinely >> wait me are you ask are you actually asking cuz we'll answer any questions you have where's Varian during classic he was not in the kingdom he was

[1:36:54] >> Varian was fighting in an arena >> [ __ ] slave >> he was fighting in the arena with uh uh what's her name that were was going to be her delve companion. Yeah, she she was with him.

[1:37:08] Yeah, she she was with him. So there and then Anikia >> Wait, Katrina Prestor. >> Presto. Yeah, that's the name I know. She was sent by her father because he

[1:37:20] the time. Yep. >> Was what was his name? Was it Bolvar? >> was the the the what's the name? >> Regent Lord. >> The regent like there's a term for like a temporary in ownership. There's a name

[1:37:35] for that. Um that he was there and he knew that his daughter acting as a mother figure can get influence on >> and Bvar wasn't No, no, no. Bolvar was just Nefarian was the one who kind of

[1:37:49] >> Where are you at right now? >> I'm talking about Onik's father. >> Oh yeah. knows that Anduin has no parents at the time. And he knew that he parents at the time. And he knew that he if he sent her there as a motherly

[1:38:02] day-to-day duties as well as being inside the capital, she can have influence in him on him growing up into adulthood where he would eventually humanity. >> Oh yeah, she thought she killed Varian.

[1:38:17] >> Oh, really? I didn't know that. >> That I didn't know. >> That I didn't know. He daddy. Yep. Exactly. Ania, he has split him with the I don't

[1:38:32] know. Uh Variant was captain of the Naga on an island just north of Theamore. game all along. I saw what? >> Wait, is that true? I'm looking that up. >> I don't think that's true at all.

[1:38:44] >> Pretty sure that's a meme. But >> wow, Varian. And even if that is classic, that's confirmed like not canon. There's no way. Is that true? Does anyone have like

[1:39:00] >> But they definitely don't do a good job of explaining to you where he is in classic at all because well, you don't see him until when does he find database >> Ren King of Stormwind

[1:39:14] >> Yeah, because he's not in the game. >> Big island near Theramore. Hold on. This is what This is what it says. Hold on. I'm just showing you guys what I'm seeing online. Okay, let's try to settle down. Big island near Theramore. There's

[1:39:27] a huge place with a 20man AQ event, a lots of Naga. There's a sewer system, and at the end is the king. Deleted in patch. Yeah, that's not meant to be. >> Yeah, but that's not meant to be, can it?

[1:39:41] >> Yeah, an Easter egg. >> That wasn't meant to actually be. >> He's guarded by 62 elite nagas. How we got into the sewer with Naga's

[1:39:53] bias? Never. No, he's more or less just there to be awesome. Yeah. No. Yeah, this isn't actually like this is just a fun little Easter egg. Well, yeah, you >> Thank you. >> You have to go find you have to go and

[1:40:06] search the the the lore, right? Which is neither good or bad. Um, but it's so funny when you hear people it's like they didn't even they don't and they never did it in any point in WoW's history and then they they have

[1:40:21] don't actually know >> or especially they have opinions on the they don't even play and they don't even know what the [ __ ] is going on. classic TBC Wrath, there's no problem with that. It's phenomenal peak

[1:40:37] expansions. But if you want to sit here and pretend like their story is amazing and then you really don't know [ __ ] about [ __ ] and then you're ragging on retail when retail has honestly been banging the last two expansions. Kind of

[1:40:49] cringe. You guys remember the vanilla quest with no ending called the missing diplomat? I know that name. >> That's in That's in uh BRD. >> Oh, really? >> Was the guy locked up supposed to be

[1:41:01] there? >> It's the escort. I don't know. It was absolutely. And obviously there's nothing against classic players. My problem is that like like the thing about classic players is they don't just

[1:41:15] let you enjoy your game. Like I don't rag on classic W. I love classic WoW. I love TBC. I love Wrath. They're very amazing expansion. Yeah, but if you like retail, you're just a woke chud. Okay.

[1:41:31] Okay. Like, so shut up. You're woke. If you like retail, that's it. It's over for you, bro.

[1:41:47] I mean, that's what that's what happens. That's Yeah. I mean, you're not wrong. Like, apparently, if you like anything other than uh you know, classic, you're you're a dumbass. That's the only thing I don't like about classic players. And

[1:42:01] much Wow, this is actually a good classic track. Uh, shout out to this Temple of the Moon. Wow, it's really good. Let me turn that up for you guys. You can hear that a little bit. My only gripe with classic players, man, is they

[1:42:15] made us feel like absolute [ __ ] for wanting to make retail content. Like they hate I like people that were dedicated like supporters and in the community hard. They were like, "You guys are never going to make it." Quote,

[1:42:28] "You're never going to make it. It's too saturated. Good luck, though. Like, damn. Like, you're that mad I don't want to play and make content on Classic right now. Like, damn. Warcraft sounds so

[1:42:43] aggressive. Is that weird, though? Yeah, but you're taking that out of context. That's not what that quote was at all. >> I mean, but if he like, Sure, if saying Warcraft is too aggress Yeah, that's [ __ ] corny. But that that's not what

[1:42:56] entirety of that context of the interview. So be careful. >> By the way, you are right. Blizzard does have a bad habit of putting a lot of the >> But once again, I learned everything. >> But once again though, that's a lot of

[1:43:09] player base doesn't >> doesn't actually read the story. And it's so funny that people act like they care when they don't seek out the story. attention to the story. So, it's like for the people who do want to do it, go

[1:43:24] I don't I don't want them to put novels to be their whole story, but I don't dive deep. They have a way of really diving deep.

[1:43:38] classic is the same ecosystem. Like why can't World of Warcraft lovers just love World of Warcraft. I don't just love retail. I love classic >> like to death. By the way, yes, the ending cinematic for Dragonflight is

[1:43:53] 100% it was cringe. No one can say otherwise. >> The final one where it's like we did it with family. Yeah, that was lame. >> [ __ ] awful. >> But I

[1:44:05] Dragon Flight was soft." But there was some pretty like hard [ __ ] in Dragon Flight. when you start looking back, there's some [ __ ] that goes on with tier and in the blue dragon flight thing and also in like with Farak, there's some

[1:44:20] pretty dark [ __ ] in there. Like they're they're forcing these unborn eggs to not be protodrikes and turn them into these dragons. Like there's some pretty crazy [ __ ] Imagine liking both game modes for

[1:44:34] that's not a thing for some people, which is very interesting. I just feel like because if you ask a retail player their thoughts on Classic, it's 90% very positive and that they love the game. It's just not for them. And that's kind

[1:44:49] It's just not for them. And that's kind of where I stand right now. Like I I really love retail. Like I love retail. I'm having so much fun, but I also love >> CRW do you know the story at all or you just

[1:45:03] [ __ ] spewing nonsense? Cuz there's definitely dark [ __ ] in the story. Even in the war within, there's been some pretty crazy [ __ ] happening. about the fact that they were forcing their Narubians to evolve like against

[1:45:17] their will or the the one Narubian who was [ __ ] keeping people as like like on strings and and like torturing them and using them as puppets and [ __ ] That's what about even the world of Caresh and going and the whole world is

[1:45:32] it's like Dune where the whole place is like a free-for-all [ __ ] wasteland and it's like mad depressing and we have to stop this all powerful being from destroying probably everything. Like

[1:45:46] >> No, there's definitely some dark [ __ ] It's like these people go and say the story is [ __ ] it's it's cringe or it's it's soft because they see one trailer or one [ __ ] animation. Like you don't even know the story.

[1:46:00] >> It's not even Nah, it's not even like that, bro. It's not even these little small clips. Don't forget about Narc. That's crazy. It's not even these these they hear something coming out of a streamer's mouth and they they parrot

[1:46:14] it. someone who doesn't know the story anymore, doesn't read the doesn't like anymore, doesn't read the doesn't like Asmin example, like he'll say [ __ ] are just going to yeah, you know, he's right, but he doesn't know [ __ ] about

[1:46:28] WoW anymore. Like when he did play WoW, he was God amongst men. He's a [ __ ] legend. Problem is, he doesn't and he knows what he's doing for views nowadays. Yeah, I that's why I can't watch him anymore. I grew up watching

[1:46:41] that [ __ ] Asthma Gold for 10 years in my life. I grew up watching him. I can't watch him anymore because he's just nothing but negative like clickbait meme troll content. Just not for me. >> We went from Narubians to Mad Max

[1:46:54] goblins to old god. Well, the cosmic thing was always going to be there and I think >> that's a that's a product of them having to pivot to the fact that this was going to be a World Soul saga mid

[1:47:07] >> mid development. I would love to talk to Caros if he like knows the story of Warcraft in the classic. >> Like I'm just out of curiosity. >> I if he does, I would want him to just break it down for me so I can learn too.

[1:47:23] break it down for me so I can learn too. Like like what makes you only love the 2004 version. Like that's it. Nothing can change. Who all uses autoqu quest except and turn in? A lot of people do. Or even if they don't, they are not

[1:47:35] accept, going to the blue marker, doing the quest, going and turning in, completing, and on to the next. That's like probably maybe 90%. Darn to sound like Baron Shadow. That's

[1:47:48] crazy. Uh, they're tripping. Like, Asmin pretends this was dark fantasy. This game always looked absolutely silly. >> Well, well, hold on. World of Warcraft. >> Warcraft had some dark stuff, but World of Warcraft always had like been a thing

[1:48:01] since it's always been very stylized. That's the word. People who have played EverQuest and MMO RPGs beyond World of Warcraft have always thought it was a Warcraft have always thought it was a soft video game. Period. You ask any

[1:48:15] hardcore old school MMORPG player, they looked at WoW like, "Yeah, that game." >> Any EverQuest fans that used to play who who know who could confirm this that EQ players used to say WoW was like the [ __ ] baby game.

[1:48:28] >> Star Wars Galaxies. Yeah, that too. Like compared to those games, it it was nothing even close. Like you wish >> it was they used to call actually from what I understand they used to call it the Disney game.

[1:48:42] >> Yes. It's always been called [ __ ] WoW's always been pretty >> no matter what. No ma and I've been hearing this my entire life. No matter any direction you go retail WoW is

[1:48:54] always going to get [ __ ] on no matter what. Period. re EQ players laughed at the idea of Warcraft killing EQ. That's crazy. >> but it's not grim, dark, or serious. >> No, I don't think WoW was

[1:49:09] >> ever grim dark. And yeah, I know people like to bring up like Warcraft 2 and like the art. >> Yeah, that wasn't World of Warcraft. >> But even even in those games, like in Warcraft 3,

[1:49:22] >> like Chen Storm Stout's there. Yeah. Freaking out if a panda's added to the game is [ __ ] crazy. >> I mean, he was there, right? Gnomes are >> I just want epic [ __ ] It's not Disney or Dark that's the real issue. It's epic

[1:49:35] maidens. When I was in Manford Omega and I was >> that was pretty [ __ ] epic. >> It was the most epic gaming moment I've

[1:49:47] ever had. And in terms of epic scale with music, boss fight, design, difficulty, leading a raid team, guild, it was it goes down as my number one

[1:49:59] video game experience of all time in terms of epic scale. Like, yo, is this incredible. >> I mean, we were having planets thrown at >> Yeah, incredible. >> EQ, Ultima Online, NAC.

[1:50:15] AC is what? What? I don't know that one. I love Oh, Ashok's call. I love WoW storylines. I've heard all of the chats regarding the new WoW killers. Well, mean, don't get me wrong. >> Round 15. [laughter]

[1:50:30] >> Yeah. Fighting a bloody Death Star. Yeah. >> No call. That's great. The very end of an expansion was epic. There was also the Deran explosion, but that's Well, hold

[1:50:43] on. There were definitely epic is a very tough order to fulfill though. You can't say everything is out. >> Oh, dollar explosion was not what I mean that's pretty that was a pretty [ __ ]

[1:50:56] >> to open the expansion. By the way, I didn't get spoiled on that. I know >> Mhm. >> I didn't get spoiled. So, when that me at the start of the war with >> I literally laughed. I was like, "Wait,

[1:51:10] "Oh." I was like, "No, I just got teleported somewhere." That's what I thought. I was like, "Yo, there ain't no way they just did that the start of this expansion." >> Cataclysm had the right amount of eel

[1:51:22] [ __ ] >> Cataclysm had some crazy the quest line where you're [ __ ] they're telling you the story of that Deathwing came and you have the [ __ ] they turn you into the giant gnome who

[1:51:35] punches him in the face or or the the one thing where it's like I forgot what it was. You're riding on the back as like an orc and there's a blood elf on bike like >> or you're a dwarf. You know, there's

[1:51:47] there's some goofy ass [ __ ] there, too. >> It's so It's just so mindboggling to me. every sing and even in these recent World of Warcraft commercials, and I there's always that level of goofiness that WoW will always have. Like, and

[1:52:02] don't get me wrong, like there's some things about these latest WoW ads that I don't like at all. Um, but there are some things that I do really like enjoy. Like they make me feel like the old like these feel like old school

[1:52:17] like uh you know those like Aussie Osborne ads like they're a little goofy. >> yeah, by the way those videos you guys think the night elf mohawk wasn't a >> Yeah, it was cool >> but it was cool because it was goofy.

[1:52:31] >> All right, listen up. Here it is. Rated T for team. >> Like things like this. >> Having downed Atrean the Grand >> Lightbringer crown in hand, Velicia Dawn

[1:52:44] Sworn was finally ready to slay, build, >> You know what I mean? >> And show off in a home of your own. In

[1:52:56] Azeroth, adventure is calling you home. >> Yeah. And it's it's that little it's it's cool as [ __ ] Gives the little bit of fun and cool cinematic woow universe and then they go into the goofy stuff.

[1:53:10] Like it makes me feel like those older ads, you know? Am I Am I crazy for thinking that or am I just absolutely losing my [ __ ] mind? >> I can only imagine the hate that video got. Like I already know. Wait, what was

[1:53:24] >> Oh, what the [ __ ] [laughter] >> The team. I think this is another one. >> When it came to the night, >> Mortimer's place had the best vibe, but

[1:53:38] being undead meant his snap game was Build, decorate, decorate, and host in a home of your own in

[1:53:53] Azeroth. Adventure is calling you home. >> I think this is kind of cool. Like listen, is it a lot of housing ads? Yes. years working on it. >> Like, and it's going to bring in a lot

[1:54:05] >> I mean, they're definitely >> Let me ask you something. >> Have you ever worked on something for five [ __ ] years and then crazy? >> That was also That was a [ __ ] great

[1:54:20] >> That was hilarious. >> I don't Now, there are some [ __ ] that I don't like. Like there's some ads that I've seen on housing that I don't like >> Yeah. >> Now, I will say also they need to be a

[1:54:34] lot more consistent on what animation team they're rocking with because the more serious animation like where it's a little bit more high they go this route with that recent ad

[1:54:48] with the blood girl? Like if like we have to we have to get a very consist like what's the animation team we're rocking with here? Yo, I love that >> I thought it was cool, too. But my problem is is like, let's be a little

[1:55:00] bit more consistent. Anyways, that's my beef. Um, but I think this stuff like understand, bro, working on a [ __ ] project in doing nothing but investing, digging into your bank account for 5 years. Yeah, man. I would say, yeah,

[1:55:15] they're going to shove housing ads down my [ __ ] ass because it's the hottest now. >> Um, so Osiris, I I worried that they are trying to please everyone while pleasing no one kind of

[1:55:28] thing. I don't know. I think that's like >> like I I understand the sentiment there and I understand like that phrase, but them making more content than ever. Like now we're having extra raids in

[1:55:44] between patches. We're having right now, by the way, this is going to be the first nine bosses we've had in one tier. this going to be 10 bosses in in a tier that we're going to have uh at this raid tier. Plus, we're still getting our

[1:55:56] getting all this stuff. So, like the content there is staying the same. All they're doing is adding a new form of content to try to cater to maybe some understand how that hurts anything. And it's a completely different team. They

[1:56:11] completely different team for housing. >> And as we could see now, it has not hurt all. Like we're still getting eightweek content patches and that's not changing.

[1:56:23] >> I think he's talking about this quote from Bell Are the other day. >> Yeah, because but that's a that's a very common thing that people say. If you try That's a that's a very good sign. >> Well, this just got a [ __ ] million

[1:56:36] views. >> Yeah, that's fine, too. But whatever, you know, is what it is. >> I don't know. I can't I don't know. Uh,

[1:56:49] not sure. Um, I'm doing housing right now as I'm listening to this podcast. well so far. I'm just worried they're going to spread themselves too thin. >> I heard some [ __ ] like and I don't know how true this is, but I heard that to to

[1:57:02] keep while operating last year it cost $100 million. >> Feel like that's nothing. >> It's a lot for an entire year of World doing what they're doing. I heard it was like 100 million at the 8week cadence is

[1:57:17] [ __ ] amazing. I thought it'd be a lot more with the size of their theme. I mean, think about how much they're racking in a month across all versions of WoW and microtransaction,

[1:57:32] bro. I think the Brutusaur, how much did that just make them alone? A lot. Okay, so what are we talking about? But I know they don't give a [ __ ] about like that. Not even one sparkle pony.

[1:57:51] guys. I I think I think the state of MMOs is obviously in a very bad spot, but I think we can all agree that I don't think WoW is going anywhere, man. [music] Whether it be retail or the copium that is Classic Plus and what,

[1:58:07] you know, that may or may not bring. Like, this game ain't going anywhere. Like, this game ain't going anywhere. like it is the MMO of our time and one of the best games ever, if not the best. So like I think we're at the point where

[1:58:26] concept, but I also think that they just were too powerful and and had some things that were just very unhealthy for the game. >> So you can't do that. like you can't like you can't have that much power to

[1:58:39] where you have your little [ __ ] farm and your mine and all this [ __ ] >> in the garrison. Um I like the way that they're doing it now with with housing. housing was something where it's like you had your own little instance and it

[1:58:52] was just your plot and that was it. Yeah, that would suck balls too. with people and then they have these endeavors which cool, right? >> So much fun. Yeah. like that is going to

[1:59:05] I love the fact that you could have your watch video recently. Wow. In 2026 is I've watched it three times, by the way. >> Oh, really? I mean, and by the way, I see the script. Didn't see anything. I just watched it and I was like, "Holy

[1:59:20] shit." >> It I felt like it's such a good video. >> Like >> I And as I'm writing it, I remember calling you. I'm like, dude, I [ __ ] love retail.

[1:59:33] >> If you guys are looking for a video to talk about just straight hype Midnight and retail WoW in general, check out this video that I'm linking you guys right now, bro, I'm telling you guys, you will not be disappointed. And by the

[1:59:47] way, 99% of what I displayed was nothing but facts. >> You did a great job. >> Like, it was nothing but facts. So, if isn't a [ __ ] safe classes to main video,

[2:00:00] >> well, that that's one of my that that's the that's the type of video that I just >> I know >> I love talking about like WoW philosophy, game philosophy, and I like just hearing

[2:00:13] game should be, whether I think it whether I agree with them or not. >> Dude, retail's awesome. Yeah, for real. I think, man, I think retail is [ __ ] I think, man, I think retail is [ __ ] cooking right now. Yeah. I I I I And

[2:00:25] it's so And I don't even get angry at certain people who [ __ ] on the game. I just feel bad. Like I feel so bad that nowadays it's it's the day and age of like just cancel culture in a way. Like like

[2:00:41] but not culture, but more video game cancel. Like people like Asmin Gold and some of these other streamers, they have so much [ __ ] power, bro. And to like sit here and [ __ ] on a game when it's doing so good right now, it sucks. And I

[2:00:56] >> But the thing is, I say this all the time about like people who have left WoW. I think it's they have put so one so much like time and effort into the game that when they stop playing it, it's like they're upset and they feel

[2:01:11] >> oh, I can't believe I wasted my life on that game and now I'm going to hate it. like it's an ex-girlfriend and they just want to [ __ ] talk it playing the game they'll still [ __ ] go on every content creator's videos

[2:01:26] how do you keep playing this stop playing it and then the classic players still do it for retail and it's like this is not the game I love do that [ __ ] it's so [ __ ] lame I've never hated on a gamer for liking game

[2:01:41] even the games I despise like Fortnite bro if you want to go play Fortnite okay But like I'm not going to go [ __ ] on your life right now. Like what the [ __ ] >> So they have said and while Jango that's a cool idea, if Blizz would end the saga

[2:01:55] that, that'd be cool. But they've already stated that's definitely not the case. >> Um, in the sense that like if they make a 2.0, it' probably be like an Overwatch 2 where it's just like updates for the

[2:02:10] a brand new game, but they're already working on 17.0. Yeah, World of Warcraft wouldn't get some brand new client like WoW 2 thing like like a Guild Wars situation. It would it [music] would probably just be drastically upgrading

[2:02:25] the state of the game. Now, you have to understand the reason for that is very simple. 20 years people have given into this game with everything they've collected top to bottom. They're not going to give that up and it would be a

[2:02:38] going to give that up and it would be a nuclear disaster if they did. So >> I I also don't think they'll ever do an MMO Starcraft of Warcraft players. >> Man, doesn't it?

[2:02:51] do that. >> I would probably go full time into making Starcraft. >> I mean, it'd be the hottest thing. to keep your things, which is why I'm saying if they do it, it would be like

[2:03:05] saying if they do it, it would be like an Overwatch 2 where your account stays. >> I don't know. >> If they do another saga, I hope it's not >> Shout out to you. Thank you for the sub. >> You know, I don't want them to get in

[2:03:20] >> Guys, if you're in the chat, get some comeback hit icons in the chat. Shout community members, man. Thank you. >> Thank you so much. By the way, if you guys want to show some additional love for primes, only primes. You don't got

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[2:03:44] for a handout. >> Uh, just if you got any primes, shout there. >> So Overwatch was originally supposed to >> Yes, Project. >> I remember hearing that.

[2:03:57] ended up like basically scrapping the RPG version of it, used all the assets, and then made Overwatch. But originally Overwatch was supposed to be an RPG, an MMO RPG. And yeah, we are pretty much Osiris, you're 100% right. We're pretty

[2:04:12] much already playing WoW 2.0, maybe even WoW 3.0, right? If you know, how different it is from classic

[2:04:26] housing, little things like delves, little things like warb bands. These are all things that are if they weren't if they weren't thinking about, you know, keeping this [ __ ] ship sailing for the next 20 years, why

[2:04:41] all of a sudden? >> No, absolutely, guys. And they said it in an interview recently, they're setting up the next 20 years of World of

[2:04:53] something where they're going to try to like, all right, we're develing

[2:05:14] Warcraft should be very stylized, but model updates should definitely be a consideration. Do they need to look more real? No. Just maybe a little bit of more fine-tuning and then give a lot more customization options across every

[2:05:29] single race. >> Like we don't need Shout out to Bucky. Thank you with the Prime. We don't need brand new races every expansion. Like we refine all of them. They're already in game. Like make them look better.

[2:05:43] >> Yeah. We need more customization options especially like to the level that um the especially like to the level that um the vis visms are for for Draier. Like those characters get to do crazy [ __ ] >> I mean [ __ ] the Draier. What about the

[2:05:57] >> Yeah. Or them >> their customizations are incredible. >> Yeah. >> They make everyone else's absolute swamp ass looking. >> Araneer customization is the best in the

[2:06:10] game. I mean, the amount of options you have >> Absurd. >> I disagree on the no races. I think uh every Xback with a new without a new race or class has suffered.

[2:06:24] >> Um yeah, but I would I would take definitely an expansion where there's no meant updating and adding new things to all races >> like more customization.

[2:06:41] Yeah. Okay. Um,

[2:06:55] I still think this may be pure copium. I still think the last titan is going to bring new specs to World of >> H that could also, you know what, that could be a thing that they're going to

[2:07:10] even after Last Titan, >> maybe more specs. >> It would it just seems very odd like what what is going to be the box feature then? I don't even know. Like >> Well, Iceman, they did say that, but

[2:07:24] now and they have different teams for different things. So like they don't the team that works on raids is not that same team anymore. ones respect? Well, I'm probably maning it. So I think it's pretty cool.

[2:07:41] You know, I don't think it's going to be for everyone and it is pretty simple on the surface. Um but that feeling of like fighting against leaving meta is pretty [ __ ] sick.

[2:08:01] Yeah, I mean I think that's we should do something like that. Legion? That's a [ __ ] that's a bold thing to say.

[2:08:15] >> That's a hard task and only time could tell. Listen, I I will say right now, if Labyrinths Smash and then the Prey system feels good, not just early launch, but really far into each season,

[2:08:28] still feels good, makes me want to go out in the world. If PvP is doing what I'm hoping it's going to do, we have it to have a very serious comp. I I think, you know, I really think I think The Last Titan is going to be the real

[2:08:41] punch that's going to be the best. I used to think it would be Midnight, but I think everything that they're learning when they get into that's when they're going to really hit their stride. And I think that's going

[2:08:55] to be the [ __ ] knockout punch. Um, but I think Midnight would be good, but to like, especially cuz we're going back to Norwind. I think that's going to have a lot of [ __ ] like people being like, "Oh [ __ ] that's that's going to put it

[2:09:09] up a tier automatically the fact that we're there." A revamped Northwind is >> Yeah, people are going to flip out for that already. Um, also if they just everything that we have in Midnight goes to the Last Titan and then they add

[2:09:24] >> I mean, yeah. >> Yo, imagine they keep the prey system in over there? >> Who the [ __ ] knows what they could make if so if we have labyrinths, prey, delves, you already have the housing.

[2:09:37] can do if they if they make another leap. Who the [ __ ] knows? So, yeah. mean? >> Revamp. Remaster. Is that what you mean? about in classic? Like, are they going to release release WAD?

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