WoW Future: Classic, Retail & More — Full Breakdown & Transcript

[01:44] Lance. Nope. Yep. >> Quiet. Quiet. Quiet. And there you go. Shout out to Lance. Cameras. All sorts

[01:56] gentlemen. Hope you all are having a good time. Welcome back to another episode of the Comeback City. I am your [music] co-host, Sky. I'm Lance and we are here with another episode of the Comeback City World of Warcraft show,

[02:10] podcast, goof off hour and a half, two hours of just chilling out, vibing, a couple segments, having a good time. If you guys are here bright and early

[02:22] and you're hyped for season two, let's get some ones in the chat, baby.

[02:37] You guys are the ones. Hope you all are here bright and early. Let's go through the roll call. We got Will in the chat. Nerdy Gino, of course. Scald Deer, General Hooha, Ram, how we doing? How we doing? Chasing Shadows, how we doing?

[02:51] Trojan, Juan Epstein, what's up, baby? George Leonard, Dwey, Arby, Hell's Rocker, Keith, we got a bunch of people. Papa, uh, Mike Shay, George Leonard, Papa, uh, Mike Shay, George Leonard, Alice War, Code Earn, Co

[03:11] That That actually gave me a run for my money. Shh, Renoud, Cody, Huntgar, let's everyone doing, man? Uh, we got a lot of interesting thing to talk about, by the

[03:23] way. Um, first and foremost, got some stuff with retail, some new information, new updates when it comes to, [music] I guess, the general patch that is live updates. So, we got a couple things like that. Uh, turbulent timeways and

[03:37] stuff just went live also this week. Big leveling uh, you know, chance to to to surprisingly, we also have some private server stuff I wanted to go through. servers. Blizzard shutting down some stuff, but some lowkey W's from private

[03:53] servers putting out some crazy content. What the hell's going on right now? Um, and then we're going to wrap up uh the stream. Uh, you know, just hanging out, talking, chilling, vibing, and uh I guess goofing off, going through a Q&A

[04:05] for the uh you know, the people, the community. Lance, how you feeling? You look really shitty right now. Like, of all days, you look like [ __ ] Is there something wrong? Is there something bothering you? No, I'm just kidding.

[04:18] week. You know, >> turbulent time ways. I know. I know. You >> Oh, I yelled. This kid's going to lose it. I know you just finished leveling up your shadow priest. Guys, is there anyone in the chat that is leveling up

[04:32] potentially for the new season? By the way, Jeffrey, welcome to the live show >> Oh, and another one on Twitch. [music] >> If you guys are in the chat, give some shout outs. We got Jeffrey Weiner Weiner in the No, I'm just kidding. Of course,

[04:48] Jeffrey. He is here for the first time. Shout out to you, baby. Guys, get some comeback hit icons in the chat. And we also got Kelair mispronounced your name. Long time YouTuber any first time on the stream.

[05:01] can heal next season. By the way, rest of Shaman. Personally, I really enjoy the [ __ ] out of it. Just saying. Just saying. Finally might level cap a rogue just got some major buffs. Outlaw's looking a lot better, by the way. One of

[05:16] heading into new season. Very interesting. Sub might have just got some new buffs as well. Gormal's bite might be a fun button to press. Who knight by the way. Good choice. The tier set looks a whole lot better. Not great,

[05:29] before. Ranfest already has six level 90s. Absolutely insane. Not leveling everything with time warg and will get my buff for the mount. Yeah, you're insane. Uh frost death. Yeah, I heard Frost by the way. Papa is absolutely

[05:43] insane by the way. Love that profile picture. Looks awesome. Uh, making it even 1519s 90s. Do we? We may need to log off of World of Warcraft for a bit. Uh, going to jump

[05:56] tune at some point. Leveling a warlock myself. Yo, listen. You need Warlock advice. Hit me up. Why would Why would they do that? Top 1%. 3,900.

[06:09] >> In your head or Let's go. Which spec are you playing? Let's go. Which spec are you playing? Uh, I'm playing uh uh uh I'm playing a spec that embodies the spirit of suck

[06:25] affliction. Playing affliction warlock. Um, going on, baby? Big clappers in the chat at three. Leveling the hunter. Shout out Enrique. Let's get it going. I feel safe here. I wouldn't

[06:40] >> Big mistake. Uh, swapping to my rep paladin from from the wind walker monk. was playing Windalker season 1 and Lance, you're swapping your class. What season? Well, that's I don't know if I'm swapping. Let's relax. Okay, relax.

[06:56] >> Oh, wait. We leveled the shadow priest. Guys, I got a new camera angle [music] to uh show off today. I forgot to add it to the scene. talking. >> Yeah. No, I don't think I'm I'm hard

[07:09] swapping yet. Um, that remains to be seen, but we did level the priest, but I seen, but we did level the priest, but I do enjoy my wind walker a lot, so we'll we'll see. I will say as I was leveling the priest, and now that I'm playing it

[07:23] >> that didn't work. >> It just feels like [ __ ] home, man. >> Leveling a priest feels like home. Playing a just playing my shadow priest, it feels like home. >> Wow. Leveling a priest feels like home.

[07:35] Thanks for the sub, man. Yo, uh, Hell's hopes everything's good with the old optical, uh, you know, lifestyle that you're in. Optics, you know, big you're in. Optics, you know, big visions, big eyesight, glasses,

[07:49] you know, my glasses are, you know, we're doing we're doing our thing. hanging out with you. I miss hanging out with your Discord about you being super you, man. >> I got to go get my eyes checked.

[08:02] checked? my my glasses. >> That's all I got. I don't know like that terminology, so I don't want to. >> He's our vision guy. True. If he was a class in World of Warcraft

[08:18] or Dungeons and Dragons, I might say he would be a scout or a shaman with faright or a shaman with faright. Hells has the vision. >> Hunter with eagle eyes. >> Still hooked on the survival hunter

[08:31] though. 275 280 PvE PVP so far. That was pretty good. By the way, guys, another thing before we get into the show. Um, G Money with the sub, too. What? Yo, guys, hype train is in coming. Let's get some comeback hit icons in the chat. If you

[08:43] guys are here and you're hyped, dialed in, locked in, ready for season 2 of the hype train for us over on the Twitch. If you guys want to throw over a free Twitch Prime, you're more than welcome to go on to the Twitch. Let me

[08:56] really quick on YouTube. you guys want to go over there, throw a free Twitch money at all, but just uh you know, keep that train going. Um but additionally, something. Yo, yeah, the PvP. Uh right now, guys, it's really really easy to

[09:12] progress through PvP. So, if anyone's trying to get some of those PvP rewards like the cloaks, the elite transmog set, uh even the mounts and stuff, very easy to go through. I mean, you can go two out of four on a solo shuffle and

[09:26] literally gain points at this point. So, very easy. Right now is definitely the anything you want to talk about before we get into it? Um, just talk about maybe my how miserable I

[09:40] >> No, I'm just kidding. >> No, I need to go with this. >> Yeah. Yeah. Don't worry. That's our uh >> They could see that. seconds. Is that okay or we >> No, that's not good. I'm going to have a

[09:53] >> No, but you know, listen. Um, >> very excited. for season two, guys. Wow, >> Cuz it's a different camera and I don't working on the king. >> I really wanted to set that up, but uh

[10:09] crazy. >> Some of us have real jobs. >> Oh, real chops. >> Video games. Guys, listen. When I play >> Video games. Guys, listen. When I play video games, video games are good. I

[10:23] And I always tell everybody whenever I say, "Hey, what's your career?" I always just say, "I'm a streamer." Guys, how many times do we stream a month? Honestly, we're looking at like maybe if we're

[10:37] probably about five or six. Probably like six, seven times. >> But I just tell everyone I'm a streamer. Best get out of jail free card ever. They think I'm an idiot. I'm actually not an idiot. They sleep. I'm up. Go

[10:51] not an idiot. They sleep. I'm up. Go Lance. Talk to me. Shadow Priest with all the class changes because we all know new season means class changes and adjustments. Great time to play a new main. Great time to check out new

[11:03] classes, get hyped. Zoom CDK with the sub. Yo, thank you so much, baby. I to the Yo, thank you so much, baby. Appreciate the love, Zoom. Thank you. Appreciate the love, Zoom. Thank you. Thank you. Um, so

[11:17] >> Yeah, they're playing right now. >> Oh, the USA's on. Oh, I didn't even know that. Yeah. >> Go

[11:29] Tried one more. It feels like Yeah. >> Yeah. And and I think I think RB everyone has that one class or even spec that is just like it's the comfort fall

[11:41] back. This is the thing. And I think as WoW players, we always want to try some >> right? You want to give something else to try to cool, you know, maybe life is better on the other side. Yeah, >> I will say this. I had I've had maybe

[11:54] some of the most fun I've ever had raiding on my monk this season. >> Um, but uh I am I am uh I'm itching I'm

[12:07] >> Let me ask you guys before we get into the show cuz we're about to transition into it right now. What is the one class slashsp spec for you to where it's like

[12:19] >> yeah this is my fallback option 100% like this is going to be good George by night with the sub by the way that it had just pushed us into a hype train had just pushed us into a hype train level two shout out to you George

[12:32] pitos pestos love you love you thank you thank you yes yes very good very good train level two now if you guys are in the chat let's get some twos in the >> Yeah, baby. Big twos. Big twos.

[12:53] class to where like no matter what, if anything terrible happens, I could just play this class or spec and I know I'll be okay. Big Tooth. Yes, Tooth's in the chat. Guardian Druid for sure does everything I want. Yeah, a lot of

[13:07] announcement ruined my rest of the season. Now playing it got me hooked on Guild Wars 2 again. Damn. By the way, I was enjoying Guild Wars 2 for a minute, but then Oh, that was probably Star Le. Um,

[13:21] I was hooked for a minute, but then they announced the new season and I they announced the new season and I said, "I'll see you later." Like, um, night. >> Did you really?

[13:34] went to bed. >> That sounds about right. That sounds about right. Uh, mage, hunter, or windwalker monk? Definitely miswaver. Not always the best, but the one will I will always do good with. Yeah,

[13:46] going >> funny? A lot of people are saying Windalker, yet you never see Windalker in the world. for the sub. Thank you. Thank you, buddy. Shout out to you. Shout out to

[13:58] you, man. I feel like the music is so up and down tonight. It's either super loud or super low. I cannot get an even sort of, you know, push on it, guys. Don't know what's going on. Hells with the 11month membership over on YouTube. Yo,

[14:12] tonight. Uh, thank you all so much. Hell's for the 11 months. The real question is, where's the BlizzCon party going to be at? The hype is real. Holy [ __ ] this makes me feel like I'm in Season of Discovery and I can't breathe

[14:24] with all donations. Oh my god. Uh, where's the party going to be at? >> In my pants. We We are going to figure that out as we get closer. Um, I actually put Trojan in charge of um figuring out the party. That's weird and

[14:37] >> He told me he was going to he was going to buy a um a gigantic bottle of uh whiskey for everyone. >> Trojans's buying everybody whiskey. >> A giant bottle. >> Yeah. Yeah. You said

[14:51] >> Yeah. Whiskey. >> Wow. That's incredible. >> uh EDUB with a $10 donation. Guys, let's get some comeback kit icons in the chat. It takes two seconds to take your

[15:04] >> roll over to a goddamn emote and say thank you with with a CBK emote. Show man. A $10 donation. Thank you guys for your work. You help me mentally more than you [music] knew. Let me let me tell you something, by the way. Eub,

[15:19] donation. You definitely don't have to donate. You come here more than enough to be able to hang out and enjoy each other's company. More than a pleasure to make content for you. But secondly, um, thank you for watching the content

[15:33] cuz honestly me and Lance, we love streaming, but we only stream for our super like dedicated community members. Like I'm not saying we don't get anything out of this, but it's more like just for fun, hang out with the guild,

[15:46] talk, [music] community, wow, and chill out and vibe. You know what I mean? Like uh comeback here membership, buddy. I'm in charge now. We're [ __ ] then if that's the case. Uh, I don't know what that noise was. It sounded like a bits

[15:59] thing. >> I think that was the Gigantify. >> I'm not getting any notifications for the other I I don't know what it was. If the way. >> That sounded like bits. If I I'm

[16:13] you know about bitties, bro? >> Throw some bitties. I'll show my titties. No, I'm just kidding. Okay, let's uh let's get into the show. We're information right now, guys. Sorry. uh been a lot going on with uh when it

[16:26] comes to just uh everything going on. So, let's jump into it. Uh my Twitch chat or my YouTube chat is down again. Jesus, that's so annoying. Hold on, hold Jesus, that's so annoying. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold

[16:44] that one. Yes. Yes, there it is. Um maybe some Wow, honey. That's crazy. Okay, so here we go. Data mine class tuning and tier set changes. every single bit of this. I'm just going to like Oh, wait. But I don't want to go

[16:56] official notes. Hello. >> These data mine ones look like crap. >> Who wants to do that? I don't want to do the work to do the percentages and stuff. Take me back. No,

[17:12] Take me back. No, right here. There it is. Oh, man. I did this. Uh, Blood Knights tier set got redesigned pretty much completely, which that is a major W because it was absolute swamp ass before. Any Blood DKs

[17:27] hear about it. Uh, they're getting a rework here. Vengeance, Demon Hunter, I'm pretty sure this is really bad for them. One of them for like generating is kind of sucky. Uh, balance shard casting wrath that they're fixing that.

[17:42] which is a W cuz mages are literally one getting some buffs. Doesn't matter. Uh class is still [ __ ] Pal paladin has set along with updates to talent tree. I don't know why they updated talent tree.

[17:55] fine. Literally was never a problem. They just needed some number changes and just overhauled them entirely. Why? Because allin is literally Blizzard's >> They don't love any. >> I disagree. Hunter gets a rework.

[18:08] weeks. >> Oh, you didn't see the marksman changes, >> They added more. And guess what it's too? Please stop. >> They centered their tier set around

[18:21] explosive shot more. >> Um, so yeah, W on there. Uh, retribution don't I I don't I don't know what I actually remember what they did. Two set has been up. Okay, wait. I I actually don't remember these.

[18:33] No, wait. Where's uh feral got some minor changes. Nothing crazy. Look. Uh, explosive shot damage increased by 50%. The two set now increases bonus shots damage by 5% was 20%. don't know. Uh yeah. So, okay. Uh cool, cool, cool,

[18:49] paladin. Uh >> Trojan will play warrior next patch. >> Yo, by the way, Exonic, what's going on, baby? Yo, Exonic was sending me some

[19:01] updates of the Lich King figurine he's making. Yo, insane. By the way, hand painted nuts. It's around here somewhere. I outgot where I put it. Um, choose each target affected by your room now increase your critical strike chance

[19:15] was haste. Oh, what? That's terrible. Now, Now, oh, since it's more desirable stat for holy. Is it? Is that a thing? Yo, hell's is

[19:28] crit strike more needed than haste on a freaking holy priest? Is that normal? freaking holy priest? Is that normal? I don't know if that's Yes. That yes. change then. Okay. So that's W. That's

[19:42] I'm an idiot. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. I'm Okay. Okay. Okay. Haste is bad. I despise tomic fars here feels so boring since midnight. Yikes. Bro, I'm going to be honest.

[19:55] we have a problem because I don't think you like rest of shaman. [laughter] Like like especially with the new healing rain changes coming and I think the tier set like being isn't the tier set baked around like healing rain. Ooh, you're

[20:10] not going to have a fun time. You might have to swap uh healers, bro. Do we? Not looking good. Other resto the druid. >> Resto druid. By the way, resto druid just got phenomenal buffs. You know,

[20:22] absorb shield now to themselves and it makes them resistant to knockback effects. So, really good for PvE. Uh, a lot of mana cost reductions. You might have to swamp. True swamp. Big swamp. Hey, pretty bad. Okay. Okay. Okay.

[20:37] Koozie, you see the subtlety rogue changes? Gormal's bike got redesigned. This looks kind of interesting. >> Koozie, did you see Germany

[20:49] in the World Cup? Did you see Germany at all? Um, what else? Oh, man. Koozie, I know you're super excited about this. Check this out. Venomous Abyss two set now causes your primary target to erupt at a fire nova every 2 seconds for 6

[21:02] increased damage to primary target of your Voltaic Blaze. Yes, this is This is this is going to turn enhancement shaman around. Absolutely not. I'm a liar. This is ass

[21:17] swamp. Enhancement is F tier heading in the next patch. Absolutely terrible. Not looking good. And by the way, same [ __ ] with restoration shaman. does not look >> like >> we're hoping we're going to get some

[21:30] changes. We got [ __ ] nothing. Pure single target damage increase, which I guess it's maybe a W. No one even knows yet because the tier says has been re-released it and now the raid testing is going to come next week and then

[21:42] anything. So, we're [ __ ] Either way, can anyone get me a Discord link? Yes, I can. I got you right now. Don't switch.

[21:54] Uh, one moment. Hold on. >> Wait, Trojan. Ferrell was so boring that warrior. That's crazy. There's the Discord, guys. If you guys want to hop in there. >> Did you not look up a video of how Frell

[22:08] >> That's crazy. Uh, literal [ __ ] changes for Warrior. Uh, Protection unironically too crazy, but still looks kind of cool, especially since Colossus might be playable uh playable again. Uh, demolish seems like a lot of fun to play.

[22:24] >> Who would play Protection Warrior if Gladiator stands came back to the game? Camelot? >> That's really funny that you asked. >> I can't talk about >> Don't even say that. Don't even say

[22:36] >> He wants to talk about what he can. I I can't talk about some things, but I >> Don't say it. I told you guys saying anything. off the stream. >> It's crazy.

[22:50] Moving on. We'll talk about classic stuff in a minute, as well as some private server information, but limited information. it at that. Just know my name is Lance for a reason. Don't know what that's

[23:03] supposed to mean. Uh, so far all I've heard is bad. That's crazy. I miss the way. I actually enjoyed the piss out of that. Um, because

[23:16] I'm not going to lie. Yo, you're crazy, Koozie. I'm not going to lie, I was Wrestle Shaman season 3 War within. Don't make me turn off the stream. >> We play tested classic plus. It's not >> Now he's trolling. Now he's trolling.

[23:31] Big meme. Uh anyways, like when it comes to class changes, there's some bigger ones. Arcane got a couple updates when it comes to like they actually got a couple defensives that are really good specifically for them. Nice stuff here.

[23:44] Hunter [ __ ] tier. Guardian just fixing issues still. Their apex talent still bugged. It's literally unusable right now. Uh feral minor DPS increase changes. Uh balance literally nothing. Vengeance. Uh honestly, they can use

[23:57] some more love. Uh I heard there was an issue when it comes to like them pulling weird now with their sigils. And then the blood is like technically an improvement when it comes to tier set, but still they don't love it. So I I

[24:11] supposed to do with that information. Um moving on. Um, moving [music] moving moving on. Um, moving [music] moving moving moving in movie

[24:23] Welcome back to the show. Uh, okay. July's trading post. Ignite a true blue haven't seen the trading post at all. I literally don't know one item and it just came out today. Did anyone hit up the trading post yet? Goal, you escort

[24:40] someone else watch that? Do you really? >> Yeah. Oh, really? >> You should pull it up. Hold up my phone. I can't. I don't have the fox. You don't have Fox. Uh, little cool robot here. A couple

[24:53] robots. >> Little eye patch action. Okay. Okay. Little top hat. That's kind of cool. Cowboy hat. Yeah. Fire. What? I want Cowboy hat. Yeah. Fire. What? I want that. Mid. Tabard.

[25:08] >> Uh, you know what I've been getting every time is like the little every time is like the little >> fire. What? on a goblins. Insane. >> If USA wins the World Cup, we have to call it soccer. Yes, cuz that's the

[25:20] American way to say it. >> Um, that's all kind of cool. I don't of that crap. >> Uh, honestly, this July, this uh trading post was kind of mid. Uh, not going to lie, unless you're into actually Dewey,

[25:35] you just said that. Unless you're into goblin stuff. Yeah, exactly. Uh, kind of take a second and go through some of these special effects stuff. football. Yeah, that's crazy. I don't I don't know. [music] I don't know. I don't know

[25:47] wrong with America. I don't know why we do [ __ ] like this. US is such a [ __ ] hole. Um always got to be different just in for the sake of being different. Um I stuff coming in the next season as well cuz some of these could have be really

[26:01] interesting. Uh perfect your guillotine technique to ricochet to a second nearby applying venom fang to both targets. Damn. drop out of vault is diabolical. Yeah, it's [ __ ] awesome. I think what you

[26:18] mean. Yo, so your attacks have a chance to throw an axe and poison them, but then if you have the set bonus, it's a it poisons have the set bonus, it's a it poisons and throws an axe on two people for a

[26:32] There's no way that's balanced. >> How much does that procute? Koozie. I'm just saying it's freaking sick. [ __ ] sick. Oh, they don't have

[26:50] >> Which one? The one-handed. >> The guillotine tech. Oh, it's a trinket. the weapons. So, you can either get the onehanded or the two. >> Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. I understand. I understand. I understand.

[27:04] >> And they are they do have the models for sure of both of them. sure of both of them. Mazor ra I'm on Muso you in 3D. Okay, that didn't work. I just looked it

[27:17] Okay, that didn't work. I just looked it up on Google. Doesn't exist. All right, supposed to do with that. Sorry, guys. I'm trying my best here. But either way, that's still insane. Those are insane items. Like crazy. Uh there's a couple

[27:32] your damage attacks have ability a chance to sear the target for 5,000 holy honest, I would much rather try to like target farm a [music] weapon and trinket combo like this than just craft my weapon.

[27:49] Like, I don't know about you guys, crafting my best in slot weapon week two >> I hate it. >> I hate it so much. dungeon? >> I I I [music] think these are just the

[28:02] dungeons. Yeah. So, there's a one-handed insord, one-handed agility, [music] and insord, one-handed agility, [music] and a dagger. Yeah. Okay. Bleed, you're healed. Okay. Wow, that's cool. Okay. Bleed damage. That one seems like the

[28:15] best one. Like, absolutely. Damage spell. Have a chance to launch a moat of holy damage split among nearby enemies. Damage increase by 30% per additional enemy >> up to 150%.

[28:29] You mean to tell me it's a 30,000 damage proc? Wait, that's not balanced? Wait. Yeah, 150% by 13 is actually roughly around

[28:43] 30k. 30,000 damage when this thing procs. That's a lot of damage. That's good. Wow. That's definitely the best one out >> Depending on how much, what's up, baby? How we doing? Right.

[28:58] >> And then there's a lot in the raid, guys. Check this out. Main hand dagger. attacks have a chance to inflict breath of corruption. This is agility dag, by the way. Dealing nature damage and red and rending a necrotic tear that

[29:11] persists until death and increases the damage of this effect by 5% up to 10 times. Oh my god, it's a beautiful raid weapon. Oh my god, that's awesome. can dual wield daggers now. >> [ __ ] Wait, is that is that not main

[29:27] >> Oh my god, it's just one hand. >> Demon hunters can dual wield daggers uh >> Oh, what the No, that there's no way that's going to be unique. There's no going to have to make that unique. >> That's disgusting

[29:41] be your abyss, right? >> I mean, it already is probably. And it's haste mastery. It's usually like amazing for everybody. >> Very rarely is haste mastery like not amazing. I really hope raid weapons are.

[29:55] >> Like you want to get a raid weapon? >> I think I'm going to do raids as hard as I think I would like to like get [music] our team together. Shine over with the prime. Thank you so much, baby. That's a lot of subs and primes and donies

[30:11] bitty bitties titties titties titty titty bitty bitty bitty bitty prime >> Maybe I'll be able to afford this um this baby shower. >> Nope. I told you you're not affording that. No, haven't. Don't you know I've

[30:24] been embezzling all the money that the stream makes and stealing it all? That's dollar, by the way. >> Moving on. Uh, Aman Muso, the war blade,

[30:36] have a chance to apply venom fang, dealing damage before bursting to for Multiple applications may overlap. Yeah, these are awesome. Spells and abilities have a chance to increase your mastery. Oh my god. It's just a giant mastery

[30:53] stick. It's 200 mastery. It's double mastery >> and then a mastery proc. Who would that be good on? Who's >> guys? Is there any Is there any agility users that's like god tier need mastery?

[31:07] think. Like how about survival? Survival need mastery. I don't even know. >> Windalker's mastery. Like for sure. >> I mean haste mastery is good on it, but >> Hunter's pretty mastery heavy. Feral and survival. I mean,

[31:23] survival for sure. Yo, guys, that's insane. insane. It's double mastery stat baseline plus a giant mastery stat nuke. Wow, that's dude. Do you guys know what

[31:36] Wow, that's dude. Do you guys know what 6700 mastery is? That's a lot. Yeah. Like on a proc like total with with your regular stab bone. That's [ __ ] >> Wow. Oh. >> Oh, it's the same thing with crit with

[31:49] the bow. >> The bow. What if crit was a bad stat for >> Oh my god. You imagine? Um, main hand dagger full crit. By the not. Oh, these are just very unique items. Okay. Agility dagger, full double

[32:06] Your attacks have a chance to inflict breath of corruption, dealing nature that's a good execute weapon as well. Oh, it's a main hand though. Oh, so Outlaw can't use that cuz Outlaw right now is using uh daggers in their off

[32:21] hand. Very odd. That's They have to fix that. Trojan survival." >> Wow. Holy [ __ ] That's going to be that. That's like absolutely. Get ready to farm that.

[32:36] >> 150% of this. Um, okay. The next one, the one-handed [music] intellect dagger. Oh my god. Your spells have a chance to drain a nearby enemy's will, reducing their cast speed and increasing your haste. There's

[32:51] a mini haste proc on this weapon. And it's double haste stack. What? Also not a main hound. Wait. Yeah, that's not main hand either. So yeah. So survival devour is probably going to want one of each of those weapons. You

[33:05] can get a nine. I think you can get nine out of six on that one. Oh my god, guys. 100 of a stat on a like a onehander is incredible. Especially if

[33:18] it's like really strong to the point good on shadow priest. Yeah, I'm sure. good on shadow priest. Yeah, I'm sure. Especially to the point where Like so many times if you want two onehanders like main offh hand, there's

[33:31] at least one stat out of the four that is just like yeah, it's not good. But like yo, double down on haste is juice. That's disgusting for Warlock too or I'm probably going to have to chase that. That or the one that has a chance

[33:46] >> You know what that means though? That's fun. That means on the bosses that could to get it, right? >> Yeah, absolutely. >> And if you bonus roll in heroic now, it gives mythic,

[34:00] in the vault. >> I I I would assume you can bonus roll a weapons. >> Jesus Christ. >> Am I wrong or am I right? >> Wait, wouldn't they go to one out of

[34:15] >> No, because the only way you can get to the nine is if you do the last the >> Oh, they have to be on mythic. You get the vault. So, I guess you probably could bonus roll it.

[34:28] >> Yeah, like they're not going to drop the nine out of six. They the nine out of six has to come from the vault. >> What the [ __ ] How's that going to >> Come from the vault. I mean, that's terrible. Um, your attacks have a higher

[34:40] damage over six seconds before bursting, dealing damage to nearby enemies, multiply. Yeah, that's phenomenal, too. Crit mastery two hands getting a myth loot from a heroic raid. I would still say that's harder than

[34:53] doing a plus 10 this season. Like, heroic raid is still harder than a 10. >> Yes, absolutely. And it will stay that way. So, get we're getting myth loot from heroic raid. [ __ ] go. Heroic raids are back. Uh,

[35:09] let's check this out. Uh, double haste stat one-handed sword. By the way, your spells and abilities have a chance to increase your haste by 354, [music] >> but reduce your Wait a second.

[35:21] >> You can dual wield that on survival if you went like, >> Yeah, but the auto attack build is that I wonder if that's a thing. Could that potentially be a thing? Trojan. I mean, obviously Outlaw could be

[35:35] phenomenal because >> USA one zero at half. Thank god. Okay. Balls. Damn. Oh, but it's strength. It's not >> You're creepy.

[35:48] >> dude. >> Okay. All right. All righty. Uh, can trip armor. Whoa. Okay. Male uh chance to increase your

[36:00] items. This is going to be this is going >> you got to get your ass in her. >> I got to get into that raid. I got to like for sure." >> Well, also you want Yeah. You also want

[36:13] vault every week, right? >> Yeah. >> Like even once you clear heroic raid >> 100%. Now you have a reason to go in cuz they can drop as mythic. >> Yep. Wo. If you bonus roll or in your

[36:25] >> Yeah, that's what I'm saying. >> Yeah, that's fire. H critical shot for know what else too? >> Once you What the [ __ ] >> Scott? Once you finish the whole raid and you get AOTC

[36:38] >> in your vault, any of the bosses loot can drop even if you don't kill the last first six, which are Yeah, you could kill the first six, which are always a >> To an extent. >> Once you're in mid-season, those shits

[36:51] are all easy as hell, and then you have a chance at at rolling for any of those >> to the point where like I hope this raid bangs. Season one was like mythic plus season. Season two is like raid season.

[37:06] weapon. Oh, Frost DK. Yeah, right. I'm >> The stats don't change and you get a canrip armor piece as a tier set. >> Yep. >> Yeah, that's sick as [ __ ] Love that.

[37:19] >> Yep. This is the cloth one. >> So that these are chest, head, head, and then legs. >> Let me see the interesting mastery. are terrible on affliction. >> Actually, maybe not this season with

[37:32] Heller cuz I think they buffed the [ __ ] out of Heller's wither damage. So, it never know. Um, and then mastery for plate as well. Interesting. Interesting. plate as well. Interesting. Interesting. >> Cantrip jewelry. Jesus Christ. [snorts]

[37:47] >> Anthrops. >> More, more, more. >> Uh, reduction against the deadly venom. That's cool. That's cool. Uh, they have ones from King's Rest. Standing still for four seconds increase your speed.

[38:00] >> Okay, that's best in slot. >> Catnips. True. Verse mastery. >> Catnips. True. Verse mastery. >> Sure. Uh, damage taken from deadly venom in the coiled aisle and within the venom abyss raid. Wait, that's really

[38:15] >> by 7%. Yeah, that's pretty cool. >> Wait, that's good. >> Well, they're all necks, right? >> No. Neck, finger, finger, neck. But you can essentially >> Holy [ __ ] this one is two. That's got

[38:29] to be from the last boss 100%. >> Drop from Gore Rattle. The [ __ ] is a >> That's not the last boss. I'll tell you that much. your critical strike but reduce your other ST. Yo, that's dis that is a

[38:42] disgusting ring and a double. Oh my god. Double crit ring, dude. Double crit ring, dude. Bro, what? bro. Who the hell wants first master? >> I don't even know what we're doing here.

[38:58] Um, yo, double crit ring with a crit proc. Holy [ __ ] now. >> I like that name. A curebane reoquary,

[39:12] a Priebus. >> Is it a Priebus or abyss? >> I mean, both, I guess. Essentially, cuz some of these drop from dungeons, but I big ticket items. I need like a list of like my best [ __ ]

[39:27] >> sockets. Yeah, I guess you're right. That's a absolutely disgusting neck That's a absolutely disgusting neck piece. Filthy. Oh my god, guys. Is no one freaking out about this?

[39:47] reason to seek out the final boss in the venomous abyss. So yeah, that is the >> I don't know why it's saying drop by Goret. Probably a bug, but holy [ __ ]

[40:02] I need that item. I need to farm it on normal. That's disgusting. Um, trinkets as well. This is where it gets really fun. Um, salute trinkets, both new to midnight, returning from previous dungeons. Uh,

[40:17] returning from previous dungeons. Uh, Ibound Grotto's Lair. Okay, bro. instead diminish title insight before beginning the cycle a new with haste. I

[40:29] mean, that's a classic trinket there. Really good. Venomous abyss raid. Wow, there are a lot of trinkets in here, bro. Mid high chance to grab focus tech. Increase

[40:41] may overlap. That's not bad. When two or more applications are active, your focus 20%. [singing] >> Disgusting. Yo, how come melee always gets some fire trinkets, dude?

[41:00] Arus has a very high chance to Arus has a very high chance to That's not good, right? Seems like [ __ ] >> Let me see. >> It puts a dot on somebody when they die.

[41:13] Deals 300% damage of of its remaining damage to everybody else. It just does. you mean? What world? >> Elves, dungeons, mythic quest. >> Bro, you think you're going to get more

[41:25] >> 100%. >> You're absolutely fried. >> Um, this is a tank trit. No one cares about the tanks. >> Whoa, whoa, whoa. >> Chance to pull an artifact question. No.

[41:37] do. I love that. Next. >> Dodge pairing a blocking as a nope. See on that. You have a high chance to follow up your attacks with ravage, mutilate, or tempest based on the number of nearby enemies. What? The killer

[41:51] effect on your next attack upon defeating an enemy. >> Wait, that's interesting. >> Tempest. Yeah, I don't really know what >> Ravage as in >> the druid ability, utilate as in the

[42:03] ability. >> I don't know. I don't know. That's just >> Sick. >> Oh, that's [ __ ] sick. >> Uh, healer trinket. Oh boy. High chance of fus to talk about pre-natural venom

[42:16] healing. Okay, whatever. Sure. Spells afflicts you with hex lords doom That's the one. >> And then you consume it. That's literally just better spy master. Yeah.

[42:31] Fire. Wait till I have cooldowns. Pop that. And then you just say this ascend. >> And then you just spam spam seed ascend. >> I love dude. I love I love

[42:43] >> Yep. Let them know >> sending them know guys who loves dealing big numbers. You know you remember a trinket you know what trinket I missed? It wasn't even a good trinket or remember in the war within season 1

[42:56] where you got that trinket that turned you into one of the Narubians? Like the >> it was super fun. >> I just liked turning into the Narubian. >> I thought it was really interesting >> because it made me go ascend. Dude, I

[43:09] >> because it made me go ascend. Dude, I used to have that on an elemental shaman cuz that's when I played an elemental and they were pretty [ __ ] disgusting that. Really? >> Yeah. Fire. That was a really fun tree.

[43:23] >> Yeah. >> You drink the potion. It like 2 and 1/2 >> Jesus Christ. >> I really liked that. I don't know why I I I saw something. Then they had the one

[43:36] where you'd have to you'd have to have the weak where it said jump three times. that on hero like week one. I never put >> Yo, I put that [ __ ] on. >> Oh, you freaking ascend when you

[43:48] >> bite the heart and embrace the ravening hunger, gaining 400 strength for 20 seconds. Nice little onuse trinket here. While the hunger persist, gain a vi very target with every attack. Wait, so it gives you a giant strength buff for 20

[44:02] gives you a giant strength buff for 20 seconds and it has a potential on hit then further increases your strength or what? That's broken on a minute and a half cool down. No, that's got to get nerfed. Wait,

[44:15] No, that's got to get nerfed. Wait, that's actually not balanced. Okay, I didn't know we were uh giving melee uh >> uh font of venomous rage. Channel a torment of venomous rage over 2 seconds.

[44:30] stuff. >> Um, I feel like this raid is going to be >> No, but I feel like it's going to end up being easy. >> Think so. >> Yeah. Well, you say that at least like

[44:45] race I'm thinking about just like race to world first. I think they're they're going to make it pretty easy so that the those guys could finish that raid before Blizzcon happens so they can be at BlizzCon. Okay. Okay. That's kind of

[44:59] BlizzCon. Okay. Okay. That's kind of cool. That's kind of cool. Um All right. All right. All right. That seems interesting. A 4minute cool down trinket. Dude, wait. This has to bang. Okay. Wait.

[45:14] Channel a torment of venomous rage over two torrent. Sorry, it's hard to read two torrent. Sorry, it's hard to read from [ __ ] far. dealing 770,000 damage over 2 seconds and splattering all nearby enemies for 135,000.

[45:34] Wait a second. I want that. Is that from >> Sure you do. >> That's hilarious. I just want to suck

[45:46] >> That's actually spray. >> Is it? That's not You're not sucking anything. You're shooting and [ __ ] You're spraying. >> I want that. Yo, that's fire. >> Why is everything that dropped from

[45:59] >> Why is everything that dropped from Oolletch say Gore Rattle? Does is Oolletch going to turn into Gore Rattle at the end before she dies or even uh Unleash venom invites centered on your targets. Those are those are

[46:15] one minute cool down. Damn bad. harmful spells and a chance to inflict damage split between nearby enemies. Once again, aren't really great. This sort of thing. Plant the banner for 15 seconds. Fighting within 12 yards of it fills you

[46:28] with battle fervor. Granting 560 of your highest secondary stat. That's actually while banner stands will extend banner duration. >> Interesting. If you could drop that [ __ ] when you know you could stand still for

[46:41] a minute. >> It's very interesting. I mean, it might >> That's a lot. >> Yeah. And 12 yards. Like you have some room to play. There's some wiggle room. >> Very interesting. Um, take a sip of

[46:54] venom, gaining 900 of a random secondary staff for 15 seconds. Afterwards, a staff for 15 seconds. Afterwards, a random secondary stat is reduced. >> You gain Narak's favor of growth. Your healing spells and no one cares. It's

[47:07] Narc. Your ability to have a chance to echo with the war god. fit a chance to proc strength. Cappo, thank you for the follow. Appreciate it.

[47:21] thank you for the follow. Appreciate it. Wait, 25 move speed for Alice. [music] You getting Alex favored Mark of Frost increasing critical strike by 70 for 15 on? Great vids. Keep it coming. Capital, it's my pleasure, buddy. Thank you. Um,

[47:34] stacking up to 10 times. That's kind of nasty for raid fights. If your health falls below 25%, the reservoir ruptures, barrier. >> Oh, it's a tank.

[47:46] >> Oh, it's a tank. >> Wait, that's fell energy store within the crystal sacrificing a bunch of health to infuse the target or ally absorbing form a shield. No one cares. Damaging

[48:02] abilities have a chance to echo increasing critical strike by 158 for 30 seconds. Okay. Okay. During this time, each of your attacks increase your That's pretty good. Wait, for how how many seconds does it

[48:16] just add to the 30-cond one? 30 seconds is a long wait, it's a 30-cond cool down. Wait, what? Wait, so you just have perma up? Wait, that's not right. There's no way.

[48:31] >> No, there has to be a cool down, right? And it's just not showing, right? Wait, 30 second cool down. I don't know. That might be bugged. cold tier and pimp class. True. That is a W class by the way. Ground your titan.

[48:46] erupting around your target inflicting nature damage split and then you absorb spells and abilities have a chance to uproot a light spawn. Mid. Always mid. Brace by light increasing mastery. Your

[48:58] damage abilities can call a beam of radiant light. No, not good. packs have burst [music] around you dealing. No, absolutely not. Damage spells have a chance to stir the void, erupting for problem is these little damage trinkets

[49:13] are either super hit or just absolutely terrible. [music] Like useless. That's the problem. Oh, feather. Damn, I'm going to miss my own use haste trinket, bro. Uh, mark your target for execution. Increasing your haste. Oh, thank you.

[49:25] marked, each of your attacks against them grants an additional 20 critical strike as the void urges you to finish the kill up to a mega yield. That is that is disgusting. Wow. Where does that drop? I need that void.

[49:39] >> Void scar arena. Holy [ __ ] Versatility. I'll see you later, buddy. Versatility. I'll see you later, buddy. Versatility. I'll see you later. answers [music] and then increase your haste by a bunch

[49:55] >> for 20 seconds. That's the potion. That's the trinket I was talking about. what I'm saying. I thought you might go Ellie back there. I thought you might go Ellie back there. There could be a world that it happens.

[50:08] call a Ruby wellpling. Absolutely. >> Maybe we should give balance a shot. I >> Like you started with in this problem with balance back then was that it was so undertuned and [ __ ] and I had to do so much work

[50:21] for little output and it pissed me off. [music] So I just stopped playing it. just literally unplayable. There was no like major skill gap or healing. And because there was so much like snapshotting on AoE on bosses this

[50:34] season, it was just like what is Starfall about to do, right? Nothing. grant phenomenal power. Wow, look at you. Phenomenal power. Bad, bad, bad.

[50:47] Okay. Uh interesting. I mean, you know, there's uh there's some stuff here that's that's kind of cool. Uh, also by the way, recently guys, all right, V, >> I mean, like, you know, you try to hit copy paste, the [ __ ] control doesn't

[51:01] register. I'll see you later. I don't know why this V guy keeps coming up. already know. We looked this up last time. TS. >> We saw this last time. This happened. >> [ __ ] it.

[51:16] >> How to meet V. >> All right, continuing. Yeah. >> Sideire TV interview with Ian Hazakosis. content schedule. Did you listen to this friend, Lance? This interview?

[51:31] >> How was it? Did you enjoy it? >> You want me to be like honest? >> Yeah, of course. I always have to be honest. thought it thought he asked answered in other interviews and he was just kind of asking the same questions

[51:44] >> did >> I knew all the answers to because all of these questions have been asked >> interest already in other interviews. >> Interesting. >> Interesting. Okay. Okay. Um, anything

[51:56] >> No. >> Uh, do you want to go through some of this or is it like not really worth it? >> It's cool. want me to go through it? There I can barely see these things from here.

[52:12] >> I forgot how to read. >> Okay. I mean, with regards to this season, feedback has been great. There's been lots of Yeah, I mean, sure. Thanks for letting us. Yeah. Mythic Plus has been night and

[52:26] one. Yeah, War Within season one. Yeah. But I mean, they've been improving improving, >> you know. [music] I And by when I say improving, I just mean making Mythic Plus easier since season one of

[52:40] was easier than season 1. Season 3 was easier than season 2, and now season one >> Yes. >> So, they're just making it easier. I if that's an improvement. >> They'll ask Koozie what he thinks of.

[52:53] game. Yeah. >> They've had to pivot and provide rewards through the lower end, but they're excited about the new top 1% mountain excited about the new top 1% mountain title. Yeah, that's cool. For raids,

[53:06] the flexibility that has been given to both pugs and anything else. Those PvP season. >> It's been a great PvP season. It's >> it's been a great PvP season. >> Don't say that.

[53:18] >> in what world? >> Big World of Warcraft shield, but I just >> "Holy [ __ ] I just watched the Sidu video where he said this could be the worst PVP he's ever met." >> Okay.

[53:32] And this is his livelihood. >> EVP is crazy. right, continue. There's now a dedicated team to the Delves experience. That's >> Labyrinth. >> Labyrinth, right?

[53:45] >> By the way, guys, Labyrinth officially >> or T minus 16 weeks away. They're a mere >> Probably. Actually, it's less. It's less than like 12 weeks. >> Wait, how many weeks are we away from the next season now? 6 weeks.

[54:05] >> 14. >> They're 14. A 14. >> A 14 weeks. What the hell? Oh, brother. Yo, 14 weeks for Labyrinth. I don't know about you guys. I'm hyper [ __ ] Uh, continuence.

[54:20] No. I And by the way, I don't think that any of the answers that Ian gave were his pro. Like, I don't think it's his problem. I think the the questions he was getting and this is no shade to side bear but the questions were so vanilla

[54:34] and bland probably because they gave him an hour so it's like okay yeah what do I do but it just felt like all every single question >> hour is a long time >> yeah we had even in 1 hour it felt like

[54:49] all of the questions were things that I've heard them answer before like maybe in this once again no shade to sidebear but maybe We should have these people like watch all the other interviews that have been happening for

[55:03] the last season so we don't repeat the same questions. I don't know whatever. Either way, um they want to do more with outdoor for well. >> Yeah, sure.

[55:15] >> Let's keep adding on to that. I thought heroic world tier is better than Prey. housing? >> No. has been great, one of the things that the team is reflecting on is some of the

[55:27] formulaic. >> Thanks for that. And I'm just going to not even going to read that. Ian's answer to this was, "Well, it's very easy for us to to know what to change when the the wide majority of the player

[55:43] base is pissed off and they're all angry at something and we know that we need to clear goal." Okay. He's like, "Well, the bit formulaic is because right now people have been enjoying the formula.

[55:58] people saying that the game sucks right now. So, obviously, you're not going to please everyone, but I mean, they've had the most Mythic Plus participation that they've ever had

[56:10] they're not going to think that they're doing wrong with Mythic Plus now." But yeah, one area that they're focusing on focusing time on is the raid 10:30 flex. 20 person mythic came out. Mythic plus and delves is cut into some

[56:25] the season 2 raids give you better rewards in the great vault. So they can and delves. >> True. You can keep going. The of plate spinning and having to give attention to the one that looks the

[56:38] other game out there that has the diversity of the play styles and the motivations that WoW has. They look at the data on what players are going doing base. >> Okay. Solo players or players who had

[56:52] endame and then realize they ran out of things to do without joining a guild or having more people. That's what the existence of things like Yeah. I mean, play the game solo or with a small group despite there being not too many content

[57:06] creators for it. They have a wealth of data to draw from. >> Well, yeah. I mean, but I think like it comes back to the majority of the WoW it comes back to the majority of the WoW player base. They pay for their sub

[57:19] and they log in and they'll do things like solo content, level up, farm mounts, and do all these things, but they're not sitting here watching content creators are commenting in the YouTube videos or on the forums.

[57:34] And uh yeah, I think what they're saying, they're saying millions of saying, they're saying millions of people do this. Millions. are just playing solo. So,

[57:49] great content for them. >> Yeah. Well, they don't give a [ __ ] to watch it cuz they don't >> they don't give a [ __ ] alone. >> Most most WoW players don't give a piss to WatchCon. They'll just play the game.

[58:02] obviously a good percentage out there, but not most the percentage. watching. >> Most of the player base are older. They want to enjoy their game, interact with their community, Discord,

[58:16] >> They log in for a little time to take a break from their real life. your content. It's my pleasure to make you guys content, man. Um, continue. community, it can feel frustrating if feedback is being given and they do

[58:32] they're just listening to a different portion of the community at that specific point in time. I don't think we need to talk about the add-on part. It's, you know, the same jargon that they've been giving the

[58:45] whole time. >> Yes. Wow. They really went into it. rushed or halfbaked, it's not something they want to take lightly. There's a lot desires. While they're trying to serve a very diverse audience, they committed to

[58:58] of the team effort to meet that cadence. [music] Moving faster doesn't always doesn't mean that they are sacrificing quality. Yeah, I mean, yeah, sure. Go Obviously, you're not supposed to say it, but it's what's been happening

[59:12] recently. Let's be real. Let's stop. Let's cut the [ __ ] It happens. It's okay. Sometimes [ __ ] isn't perfect. >> I'll say the last patch was pretty good. This one has been fine. 5 is was really the disaster. Hey Beas, how is sobriety

[59:26] the disaster. Hey Beas, how is sobriety treating you by the way? Good. Very good on her days clean actually. How about you? Anyways, moving on. Awe patch is an

[59:40] Interesting. If they're getting lots of bug reports for QA and print out. Okay, interesting. Then why didn't we get that for the.5? It's the question. Uh Ian does acknowledge 12.5 players. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, sure,

[59:53] this is all stuff we know. Sporefall and the mythic lockout results store, but it's somewhere between a one-off and the future of all rating. Okay, they've heard a lot of feedback about old school mythic lockouts. More

[1:00:05] previous, and there are AOTC guilds looking to progress past heroic. Don't see a clear path to doing so. There's a lot of value in a fixed raid size for they need to tune to a cutting edge levels, and players will absolutely

[1:00:18] manipulate raid size to find the optimal raid size. Yeah, sure. Uh, I guess full flexible is not the future of mythic, but it's not impossible. Okay. And brings up the potential of the rigid mythic raid lockouts being

[1:00:32] awesome. Uh, dream rift bypassed all mythic lockout issues and was an easy mythic boss. I don't know about or easier. Okay. What was a good player lot about the effects of a loot structure change as it [music] would

[1:00:45] change the boosting structure and mythic splits. They want to do the thing that is best for the most players, but also need to consider that competitive mean, yeah, that's just World of Warcraft or MMO RPG players in general.

[1:00:58] Like, they're always going to take the road like easiest traveled, not the most going to take intentionally the harder road? >> Like, if if if the meta is, okay, we can get this boss down easier at 15 people

[1:01:12] with this comp, like 239, whatever the [ __ ] it is, 2310, whatever, then we're going to do it. Like, okay, 100% sure. Like, the illusion of choice is always [ __ ] every time. There's no such thing. It doesn't exist in MMOs.

[1:01:26] you end up pleasing no one. By the way, um I actually disagree with that. I I kind of because like, kind of because like, let's think about it. Last season,

[1:01:40] >> they clearly were like, "Okay, we're going to please the casual player base." casuals like >> No, I think they Well, they actually didn't try to please everyone. They made a They had a clear stance. That's what

[1:01:53] easier. >> Yes. And guess what? >> What? Had a lot of people playing. >> No. Yeah, I agree. I But I I think that was a good thing. Like I don't think they were trying to please everyone. I

[1:02:08] think they tried to please casuals. I think that was the target audience. you know, for the overall health of the game. >> Cuz they're the majority player base. >> Well, yeah, but the the generates are

[1:02:21] goals anyway. >> Yeah, I guess you're right. Egens aren't if someone had some gear, you know, they did all the content before that and parallel dungeon and get raid gearing, which complicates things. Community is

[1:02:35] well aware of this and knows how to look for more than an more than item level. rating key history. for a plug for a raid. You're looking at achievements and experience. Okay. What what item level and

[1:02:49] say about this [music] right now? Like for real though, like I don't know. I didn't even hear the interview, but I feel like there are so many valuable as

[1:03:01] it's very tough, right? And and you have to it's like the people that you give interviews to. It's like they're going to ask the questions on the type of things that they do in the

[1:03:16] game. So, it's like if you're going to go and and get someone who tries to play they're going to ask questions that really pertain to them. And then for someone like, you know, me, it doesn't not it's not very important

[1:03:31] questions. Um, confirmed, ladies and gentlemen, just as of the other day, there will absolutely not be an official fresh season of Discovery server. out. Why am I bringing this up? Um DBZ, what's going on, baby? How we doing? I'm

[1:03:44] doing pretty good. Um Agran just stated on Twitter the other day, um there will be like officially like flat out, there will be no fresh season of discovery. is not as trivial as most people think. Requires many teams and a large portion

[1:03:57] Then there's an ongoing effort to manage each phase. Yeah, absolutely. That's a distraction we cannot afford. I hate to come in and definitely say these things, play this current revival in vain of hope of some fresh realm to spin up. And

[1:04:11] now. While I love Sod, I'm very excited about the current event that's happening. [music] It would be irresponsible for us to split our time on this right now. Thanks for asking those. So you see you at BlizzCon. Very

[1:04:23] funny. So many hints this guy throws out here. You know, one thing you got to love about Agran, he tries his best. You know, he's always going to try his best. community. Um, I mean, that's as clear as he could say as just wait for Classic

[1:04:36] Plus's announcement. Like, we're working on Classic Plus. It's getting announced. reason I wanted to bring this up is because of that. Um, I mean, Classic

[1:04:48] Blizzcon. It's just going to happen. I mean, I don't listen and I want to go full screen for just a second. I don't want to harp on this topic too long. Jesus. Uh,

[1:05:04] not the right. That's not the right. There you go. [ __ ] Was that There you go. [ __ ] Was that Um,

[1:05:18] If they spun up some sort of classic that's just like minor class changes, that's just like minor class changes, some quests, and like maybe some boss updates. I'm going to be real. I am definitely not playing

[1:05:33] Classic Plus. Like if that's No, like I'm definitely not playing it if that's I'm definitely not playing it if that's what it is. I don't know about you guys. Like Classic is awesome and I love Classic and I enjoyed it in 2019. I

[1:05:49] enjoyed the TBC thing. I enjoyed Wrath. I enjoyed a little bit of hardcore. I I enjoyed a little bit of hardcore. I liked it. It was fun. But like, bro, liked it. It was fun. But like, bro, how many times are we going to do the

[1:06:01] same thing over and over? Like, literally top to bottom, same thing. [music] Like, pretty much same classes, same zones, same zones, even if they add 10 to 15 quests like

[1:06:15] I don't know. Like, it's just so not interesting. Like, you'll play for the hype and make content, dude. If I'm not hyped, I listen, one thing about me is if I'm not enjoying making content on

[1:06:30] something, I am like, I'm just not going to do it. Like, I make my money like in a variety of ways as a content creator. It's not just views. Like, I have agents, I get sponsors, I get deals, you know, I got other things that I make

[1:06:45] money from. Like, like I don't need views to make a If I needed views to make a living, I would not be making World of Warcraft >> Even though like World of Warcraft is awesome and I love WoW Rocket, how we

[1:06:59] doing? >> Um or Rock Rocke Eater on Twitch. Shout of Warcraft, >> I would not make content on WoW. I would just go chase any popular game that's out or coming out. Make all the same

[1:07:15] templated copy paste videos that all these [ __ ] people do and go on to the next game and rinse and repeat. But I love WoW. Every time I always crave to month or two. I'll come right back to WoW. It's just it's the same thing. But

[1:07:30] WoW. It's just it's the same thing. But man, I don't know about you guys or you Lance and you know, you know, correct me if I'm wrong, but holy [ __ ] jumping if I'm wrong, but holy [ __ ] jumping into classic right now, it it sounds

[1:07:43] don't know when the la When's the last time you guys have like actually seen some classic gameplay? Like Like for real, like when's the last time you've seen like classic WoW like, "Hey, let's go do a dungeon." Have you seen When's

[1:07:56] the last time you've seen something like that? you. I'm asking you. >> Oh, I [music] mean once a week I I you watch classic content all the time. >> Yeah, but like game play. >> I mean I don't watch any WoW gameplay.

[1:08:08] >> Okay, so like really just sit there and like watch someone stream WoW and play. >> Let me give you this scenario. I'll do you one better. >> I boosted a character in TBC not too long ago, a couple months ago. Okay.

[1:08:23] long ago, a couple months ago. Okay. Every poll you're pulling like four guys and then you have to eat and drink for like 30 seconds, 40 seconds, rebuff.

[1:08:36] >> [ __ ] torture. >> I get it. >> I get the hurts my brain. >> I played the game hundreds actually thousands of hours in a row of >> classic. So now I get it, buddy. Um,

[1:08:59] here. [laughter] He says, "As a content creator, I make He says, "As a content creator, I make money in all sorts of ways."

[1:09:12] a game. It's just the the type of WoW I like. For me, my favorite WoW content is like lore content. That's the that's that's the [ __ ] I I really enjoy. >> Like Karazan [music] Library. >> Yeah,

[1:09:27] >> Mostly lore content is what I >> four hours of lore to fall asleep to, >> Yeah, I mean whatever. >> Catch my first live stream. What? I miss [ __ ] Been about an hour and a half. My throat is killing me. Pause all night.

[1:09:40] >> No, I don't think Sad should have kept going. >> Liz, what's your take on playing Camelot? Are you at all hyped? Listen, based off what I know about the Camel lot and I can't say

[1:09:55] no. Not. I don't think you should be too. know anything about that game. [laughter] Um, Bellar is a lorehead.

[1:10:11] about for Camelot? We don't know anything or if it's real. So, I don't know. I mean, listen, if you want I like the name Camelot. >> Here's my guess, guys. As someone whose literal livelihood

[1:10:26] is world like like picture your guys' day. You wake up, you go to your job, you do whatever you got to do. You know, you work whether you're a mechanic, you you work on base somewhere, you you own a company, a business. Okay, that's

[1:10:40] cool. My job is literally understanding World of Warcraft the best I possibly can. digesting things and giving you guys the enjoy the game as much as possible. That's literally my job to like a

[1:10:54] there's a million things that go behind it when it comes to actual content creation and whatever. But when it comes to that, if I had to guess when it comes to that, if I had to guess what their plan is right now, it's

[1:11:09] whatever at BlizzCon is, it's there's going to be a classic plus announcement. I actually don't think [music] that's what Camelot is. I don't think Camelot is classic plus. I'm guessing it's some sort of temporary fun classic mode. Not

[1:11:26] like Season of Discovery, but a variant of just fun [ __ ] off type stuff. Then it's going to lead into Wrath the Lich King. Wrath of Lich King will finalize That is my guess >> if I had my guess. Yeah, I don't think

[1:11:41] we see Classic Plus till after. I do not think we see classic plus absolutely until after Wrath. They want to milk that Wrath train. And you know who loves Wrath the most? Eastern like countries.

[1:11:57] >> They Well, yeah, sure. Classic general. But Bellar made a video about Camelot. It's like 80% confirmed real. Yeah, because Bellar definitely doesn't just >> Belle. >> Um because it's a hot topic. Definitely

[1:12:10] he doesn't. % >> I used to love's content so much. >> Um, it's been mined. >> I mean, they could have mined the name whatever is coming is going to be called Camelot.

[1:12:25] >> Yeah, >> they did that for Overwatch. >> I'd be very surprised if whatever is coming is actually going to be called Camelot, buddy. >> I'd bear is very credible.

[1:12:44] the other. >> That's true. >> I stop watching Bellar's videos entirely because he will literally I don't >> I don't even want to talk about it. Let's just [ __ ] get off the topic.

[1:12:59] Let's just [ __ ] get off the topic. Point is is I think I think honestly when it comes to classic plus hell's with the $10. Thank you so much, buddy. off the shaman. By the way, guys, I was at a WWE show there eating a slice of

[1:13:14] pizza. I got my best friend Lance right next to me. Lights are down. Entrance pizza. [music] Buff Shamas. That's when Shamas were really weak. Uh >> I wouldn't say you are a a shill. I

[1:13:27] the game. >> Yeah, he's definitely he's he's a view >> Yeah, that's what it is. He's not a shill for actually like talking about get off the top. >> They like banned him from going to

[1:13:41] >> I don't even want to talk about Belli anymore. Please. Like, let's get off the like if we're going to Kas and Evo. Great content. Awesome content. Truthful and like honest, real [music] reviews, real opinions. They say when [ __ ] is

[1:13:57] good, they say when [ __ ] is bad, not for the views, and they get [ __ ] on either if it's good or bad. Like, real content creator. like big fan. Pyromancer, another amazing content. Always real as [ __ ] Doesn't care about the views. Is

[1:14:11] always going to give his real opinion. Like awesome creator. Sorry I brought him up. No, it's not like that. I'm just saying it's just like I don't want to be negativity and gets pissed off. Like that's I don't want to do that. Like

[1:14:23] we're here to hang out, goof off, and have fun. Not and trust me, I love gossiping and goofing off, but like when it comes to us, I don't want to hate on good time. I want to talk about World of Warcraft in a good light. Like I was

[1:14:36] saying though, when it comes to classic and let me know if you guys agree, Blizzcon. They're obviously going to announce a classic plus a variant. I give much information, maybe hints, teases, some stuff like

[1:14:52] chances they go in the Wad? I don't think they're going the WAD. Um I think characters over to retail. Um, they're going to release some info on Classic to announce a thing like Season of Discovery, like they did. It's going to

[1:15:06] be, I'm assuming, Project Camelot, whatever that is. It's going to be some sort of seasonal fun server to enjoy. That server will end. It would lead us into the timeline of the release of Wrath of Lich King after BC releases.

[1:15:20] And then after Wrath Lich King, Classic Plus will be released. Last Titan will already have been out. It that's the goal. I don't think they're going to do this thing where like they're going to contest Classic Plus and The Last Titan

[1:15:35] I don't see that happening. There's no [ __ ] way. Like retail is their cash where they make all their money. >> They wouldn't [music] same time. Cuz I think >> No. They would never. If I'm them, the

[1:15:51] >> No. They would never. If I'm them, the best thing to do would be go do Wrath >> and then when you do release the CL whatever classic plus is like the >> it ends up being the only other server besides that and era. Season of mastery

[1:16:05] is not the same as TVC. And by the way, Season of Mastery was was released like very quick turnaround with like barely any weight, like any know what I mean? So, it's very different. And they did

[1:16:20] Dragon Flight and Sod. And >> they did Dragon They did sod during the end of I think it was the start. Actually, not the end. It was like the midpoint of season 2 or three. >> Dragon Flight was already out when Sod

[1:16:34] >> Yeah. Sod came out post Bl. Within announced. >> Yeah. No, no, no. It it was way after. >> By the way, I remember making dragonfly content. N way. Way after Dragonfly was

[1:16:48] Dragonfly. >> No, no, no, no, no. I was way after. >> Why would a fun mode have two paid tiers? I don't know what you just said. Try it again. They did see some Where do you think they go after Last Titan since

[1:17:01] they're wrapping up the stories? I personally at Sonic post Last Titan, we need some drastic huge updates to World of Warcraft. Like we just wrapped up a three tier saga that we pitched how many years ago? 2023

[1:17:15] >> 2023 is when it was announced. >> It's getting wrapped up 2023. >> When? 28. >> Yeah. End of 28. >> End of 28, right? Early 29. If we're wrapping it up there, we're looking at

[1:17:28] 2029, early spring, mid midsummer release of something incredibly big/ exciting. >> I I predict a Realm Reborn type >> I agree. >> I agree. like a Realm Reborn type

[1:17:44] overhaul. >> WoW plus will be WoW 2. Do you mean like >> WoW plus will be WoW 2. Do you mean like um like post L last Titan? Wow 2 it to an extent, right? Like to an extent it's like that's a general

[1:17:57] >> talking about like classic plus being WoW 2 cuz that's not going to happen. >> because retail players and classic players don't want the same type of >> Not at all. >> And then you just be pissing off both.

[1:18:09] whole classic thing has been great since 2019, like it's awesome. But pre209 it of Warcraft player. Like you play WoW, you just play WoW. Everyone's on the re-release of Classic, there's been just such a giant civil war. It's like just

[1:18:26] so much split and and like non-stop [ __ ] and like one side saying one such a division and it's so crazy that that's even happened. And it sucks. You

[1:18:38] but the licensing to heroic edition of play, but we don't even know if that licensing is for that ed that version. >> Yeah, that wasn't confirmed either. >> That wasn't confirmed either. And by the way, when it comes to classic plus, I

[1:18:51] timestamped [music] and everything. Me and Lance were saying that if they were to make a classic plus, it's going to have a box price of probably $40. This is what we said. and then potentially extra additions on top

[1:19:07] >> We literally have a short on that and they were and so many people were like, "Yeah, these kids are idiots. They have no idea what they're talking about. Blah blah blah blah blah." Like all this stuff. But

[1:19:19] guys, what do you want them to do? You want them to take years of development time, take away the classic team, not develop post Mr. Panderry into WAD, and you want them to take that whole team and what? develop for years and have

[1:19:33] How [ __ ] >> get paid? It's But it's more like they have to make the money back to pay them >> from Yeah, obviously. Like, who the hell are you? That's how a company works. >> Yeah. Microsoft's not going to let them.

[1:19:45] retail. That's why they give them quality of life stuff to look like No. I and try to convince classic players to go like classic players are the most

[1:19:58] stubborn people on the planet, and it's not a bad thing. They've also said that there's not much crossover between the player bases. So like they understand they know there's a very different like >> they understand that they have different

[1:20:11] >> Yeah. They and and there was an interview recently where they said like we are well aware some people prefer a classic, some people prefer retail. >> Yeah. Yeah. So they're not going to try to and make the circle fit into the

[1:20:25] square hole. >> Yeah. Very rarely is there a player that will like actively play both games. You're either playing one or the other. back and forth. >> Some, but we're talking being a common

[1:20:39] >> Some, but we're talking being a common thing. It's not not a common thing at >> What? I couldn't tell you the last time I played classic. >> And most retail players don't touch classic. And that's not a bad thing.

[1:20:52] It's cool. It's just the problem is is like okay like classic plus is supposed to be coming. They're now developing and putting resources into it obviously and don't know some classic content creators are weird and I don't blame them cuz it

[1:21:08] make content on. There's literally nothing to make content. So I don't blame them but like so many videos and streams and things coming out like yeah we know this is going to happen. Classic is going to have a 2026 release. Classic

[1:21:20] plus is coming. It's announced at Blizzcon. It's going to happen possible that it comes out in 2026 because it's it's definitely not impossible.

[1:21:33] happening. I don't see it happening. If I had to If I was a betting man, I wouldn't bet on it in 2026. I would say 2027 earliest if I had to bet. But I

[1:21:45] say 2027 earliest if I had to bet. But I could even see a 2028 release. talk to anymore cuz they play classic and I don't about. Yeah, I definitely have friends that I've lost because I don't play

[1:21:57] classic anymore. >> Um, just is what it is. >> There's that dude doing a full lore series on Chronicles. Pretty good stuff. Haven't seen it. Link Lance loves that

[1:22:09] then retail updates came more and I got bored of classic. Bro, guys, I was a classic content creator for a little while, probably a year and change

[1:22:21] straight. Let me tell you something. I love doing those videos, but they just they're there's nothing to make videos on. Like, you got like once a week, once every two week type videos, and even though I love making that content, it

[1:22:37] just it it was so inconsistent and I I couldn't I couldn't I was chokeolded. I was in like a freaking headlock by a dude that's 250 pounds. I'm I'm stuck. There's nothing to do. So like me and Lance who swapped retail, bro, it fits

[1:22:52] everything I want better. I could play the game less, enjoy the game for the time that I play it more, make more content, focus on more updates, guides, content, focus on more updates, guides, class guides, news videos. Oh my god, it

[1:23:07] it fit me perfectly to like Well, Sod when it was when it first came out make on it, right? >> Yeah, we were Yeah, we were banging on Sod for a minute and it was fun cuz there was like constant dev updates.

[1:23:21] Like, dude, every day on Wowhead, there was some sort of dev update like >> Sad. When it first came out, there was a ton of I mean, there was I feel like ton of I mean, there was I feel like there was updates from the team every

[1:23:35] talk about. >> So, it's much different than >> so much fun >> than anything that they've had since Sod >> Being that communicative was so fun to make content on.

[1:23:48] make content on. >> My whole life was play SOD, make a news video on top. The reason the reasoning was that I think Blizzard like they were like just experiment do your thing guys. We're not even going to mess with you so

[1:24:00] >> they had to say >> yo a Yeah, you got to stop tweeting. You got to stop posting every day. >> Yo, shut your mouth. Stop it. >> You're you're saying too much. >> Yeah, that's what it was. Mystery to

[1:24:14] find Runes was cool, too. Yeah. I mean, listen, guys. listen, guys. Like there's nothing better than a fresh Like there's nothing better than a fresh almost like unexperienced experience for

[1:24:26] Wolverine. Like there's nothing better. Sod, you know what made Sod phase 1 great is obviously that there was new things in the world, but also they made you feel powerful like early on, you know, like

[1:24:43] literally every class was getting very powerful abilities early and it was fun. Like your characters felt fun early on. Yeah. >> Like even though I'm playing classic, my character felt strong as [ __ ]

[1:24:59] were, you know, you had all these different like metas that were forming around the different leveling brackets that were was awesome. Like the 25 bracket, even though hunter pets were broken and you had druids one-shotting

[1:25:11] it was fun. There was new metas. And then at the 40 bracket, there was new metas and all the different events. Yeah, it was sick. If If Classic Plus doesn't have like If I'm still wanding as a priest all the way up while

[1:25:26] leveling, I'm pissed, bro. There's has to be they have to do enough changes to where retail players are intrigued, but not enough changes to where classic players aren't pissed. Does that make sense? So, they have to find that

[1:25:40] perfect balance. I'm going to be honest. >> It's like Wrath. >> It's a very difficult balance to find. >> Honestly, Wrath tuning. >> The Wrath the Wrath classes. >> I thought Wrath gameplay was good.

[1:25:55] >> Bosnia coach got a yellow. What's the score on that game there, buddy? Incursions killed Sod for me. Incursions were absolutely swamp ass W fell apart when retail hardcore took over. Uh, no. Sod fell apart when phase 3 launched and

[1:26:09] >> incursions broke the game. It ruined the economy. Everyone's gold was pretty much >> and then sunken Temple was the worst raid out of all of them when we all know

[1:26:21] Depths. Um, they [music] should have split it to like 10 bosses. split it to like 10 bosses. um about it. So phase three was the um about it. So phase three was the worst phase by far. Terrible. And uh

[1:26:35] yeah, wasn't fun. That's what killed Sod. Okay, though. And then they copy pasted the PvP event, which no one wanted to do that again. We wanted something new and interesting. And then they didn't add any maps or anything or

[1:26:48] I mean, they were just under too much of a time crunch. It wasn't their fault. They didn't have the manpower. They had no idea it was going to be as big as it was. They had no [ __ ] idea. It dominated classic. Sod was classic. Like

[1:27:04] took over. So, fell apart for me when they fed my mage healer. True. Um yeah. I don't know, man. Very interesting. Uh we also have a couple other things. Uh, we have this whole Conquest of Azeroth situation going on and like obviously I

[1:27:20] much because like I mean there's really just no need. Um, but man just really posted this now? >> I I did not. court or something like that. >> Oh, was that true?

[1:27:35] >> they thought they were going to be cute posting this. think that's >> By the way, I will say it's a great video. No, this is a [ __ ] awesome video. I'm going to be honest. I I I've

[1:27:47] version of WoW in forever. Wait, US scored again? That's great. Did we just score while being down a man? They shut down the conquest of Azeroth down a man? Where is it? >> USA.

[1:28:09] You can't download COA. Oh man, >> Azeroth a vast world. >> And I I I don't want to get into this

[1:28:24] too much. I just want to watch the opening sort of thing together cuz I found this very interesting and and I don't like any private servers. A lot of scumbags. >> Like Ascension being the greediest.

[1:28:38] >> Well, hold on. I know. But I will say about Ascension, they do things incredibly different compared to everyone else. Even though I hate they >> brimming with lore and mystery.

[1:28:50] >> For years, you've explored its storied surface, fought off the scourge's and tinkered with Nongon's quirky inventors. You've slain cultists worshiping ancient horrors. >> Like the voice over, the shots, like

[1:29:05] they do an excellent job on production. I don't think I can make a video this >> Think so. >> Yeah. >> Aided Aloon's faithful in healing corrupted lands and turned back the

[1:29:17] clock with dragons to mend rifts outside our time. >> But what if seeing these classes was just the beginning? What if you could just the beginning? What if you could actually play them?

[1:29:29] step into a realm re-imagined with 21 all all >> 21 new classes in the original Warcraft trilogy. 21 21 classes.

[1:29:46] then why didn't we just make our own game? Like, why did we do this in the WoW universe? Like, all new classes. Why? Why did like

[1:29:58] like you had to rip the IP in a way like between the story and the world? Like make a story and a world >> not that either. Like >> what do you mean the pre-made assets, the buildings and the 3D models and the

[1:30:12] lore and the >> being able to do all the animations are already in there? Like >> they're not making and they're >> Yeah. But they're not making >> Yeah. It's like it's like going into a

[1:30:26] >> Yeah. It's like it's like going into a [ __ ] Cinema 4D store or or what is an dropping and seeing what works. >> Yeah, I mean there's great ideas. >> Now they're getting sued to Oblivion. Yeah, Ascension's [ __ ]

[1:30:40] interesting. >> Look at all these classes. >> Look at that. He's a Draxer >> in classic. [laughter] What the [ __ ] is going on? and experience it in a completely new

[1:30:54] >> rediscover the magic >> master like >> and the big sweaty men killing each other that emod a journey >> where the path forward isn't already

[1:31:06] >> This is more than a realm. >> It's your chance to thousands of other players and become part of a living breathing. By the way, that's definitely >> of thousands of >> they added buffs in this game.

[1:31:21] >> Someone watched Asmin Gold. >> What a weird thing to try to like make a selling point like >> big sweaty men. Is this >> you couldn't just say like smoking hot elves. Like I feel like that would be

[1:31:34] >> I don't know. >> [ __ ] guys. watch this whole [ __ ] video. The idea is this private server, they made

[1:31:50] variant, and they do a lot of really good stuff, but the biggest selling point obviously is 21 brand literally 21 classes and not just like one spec. We're talking each class has minimum three specs and there's like

[1:32:05] three or four classes that has four specs. So, in total, there are 70 specs completely new to World of Warcraft top to bottom. Absolute insanity. And don't

[1:32:17] to bottom. Absolute insanity. And don't get me wrong, awesome stuff. like, we're just we're like we're stealing everything. I mean, it's

[1:32:29] private servers, I technically have to respect this one the most because they just do crazy [ __ ] But also, they have the funding for it. Like the the microtransactions on Ascension are absolutely out of control. Like you can

[1:32:43] buy anything on there. >> Fight for mode >> all this stuff. I just I thought it was interesting. I I don't know. Joe, is this is this like 100% true? Like you

[1:32:57] can't download this thing anymore. That's crazy. When they started asking for donations, they were asking to get sued. sued. They also have a shop.

[1:33:15] That is absolutely honestly. I don't know. I don't know, guys. Just going to be I don't know, man. Crazy. Just crazy. My point is is like

[1:33:27] if I wanted to play classic, I really don't want to go do the same cookie cutter thing I've done. If they're going to do this classic plus thing, like if they're really doing it, take as long as possible and make it

[1:33:41] take as long as possible and make it incredible cuz once it's out, it's done. There's no turning back. It's done. It's finished. You'll either hit a home run or you are going to fall flat and people are going to meme you for it.

[1:33:55] The more time they take, the better. I know people are saying that if they take too long, this game's going to release or this game's going to release. None of that matters. If they release it good, if they release a good product,

[1:34:08] they're going to be fine. You guys will play classic plus, right? It depends. If it's if it's literally just minor class changes, a couple quests, dungeons, I'm not playing that [ __ ] You won't catch me going into core again. I'm I can't do

[1:34:20] be molten core in class, >> okay? But like, you know what I mean? To the extent of like same [ __ ] Like, you won't catch me doing it. I don't care about the views. I make money in other ways. Trust me, I'm fine. I'm I'm I'm a

[1:34:35] >> You're a big boy. >> I am not going to do it. big boy. >> I'm a big boy. It's true. If that's the case, I won't do it. But if if we're talking like yo, they're dead serious.

[1:34:50] Like we're talking overhauled zones and experiences, like a bunch of crazy class changes and updates, things we've never seen before, dungeon updates, like a ton of new dungeons added, zones added, leveling and profession overhaul. Like,

[1:35:05] out. >> It has to feel new >> for me. Like, yeah. >> Give me something [ __ ] new. I like I'm not a classic content creator where I'm gonna [ __ ] you guys and be like,

[1:35:18] "Guys, you have to keep playing this server because if you don't, maybe one of our members will quit. So, you have to keep going for us. You're [ __ ] cringe and you're lame trying to have people stuck playing your classic WoW

[1:35:30] non-stop. Enough already. It's sick. You're mentally sick." No, but if it doesn't feel like even if honestly even if the classes were the same, but at least it's like I'm doing new [ __ ] I'd be happy.

[1:35:46] >> Yeah, even if they overhauled the leveling into something like we've never seen, I'll do that. I'd prefer that over than an endgame. >> Because if we're going to sit here and talk about classic, what's the best part

[1:36:00] >> Chat, let's let's ask the chat right now. chat. What is the best part about classic World of Warcraft? I'll let you guys answer. What's the best part about you guys let me know what's the best

[1:36:14] you guys let me know what's the best part? Do we have any takers in the chat? I'll let you guys uh hold on to that one for a second.

[1:36:38] of an answer. >> Legendary answer, by the way. >> Are you Are you telling me that you're an endgame player? Like you you actually

[1:36:50] enjoy raiding in classic? Like that's what you like to do? That's what you play the game for? Yo, [music] guys, I'm going to be completely real and I'm not experience. If you like endgame content classic, that's perfectly for you. My

[1:37:04] personal opinion. Yo, let me tell you something. Raiding an endgame classic is the worst [ __ ] you'll ever experience in an MMORPG ever. It is miserable. World buffs are a

[1:37:17] disaster from the video game that should get deleted, never exist again. Okay, those rotations are the worst [ __ ] I've ever seen. The boss mechanics are the worst [ __ ] I've ever seen. like aesthetic and story very good, fun,

[1:37:31] enjoyable. The buildup to it, incredible. 10 out of 10. Doesn't even get better, literally. But after that first raid, >> it's done. Classic is done. It's done.

[1:37:45] >> Carol. Wow. >> You know what? For me, what makes raiding in classic fun is the chance of getting your item, but the actual game play of raiding and classic is not fun. Yo, for me, nostalgia, I guess, but the

[1:38:00] leveling grind and 20-minute rides on Flights to Dungeons were great for the for the time at the time. Yo, yo, them 20 minute flights are crazy, bro. That's my problem, though, also, guys, with classic is like, bro, I don't have time

[1:38:15] to do this [ __ ] Like running anywhere takes an hour. Doing you have to go change your talents. You have to go all the way back >> So much >> if the leveling is new, I think I'd be

[1:38:31] okay with it because I wouldn't even care about getting max level the leveling. >> So like it wouldn't really matter to me. care is because they don't actually make content either. They just stream and get

[1:38:45] clips. That's it. That's not making content. That's just streaming. That's all they want to do. They want to stream and play the video game all [ __ ] day. fun than you. >> I'm sure they do. And no, they don't.

[1:38:59] >> Yes, they do. >> No, they don't. >> Dude, I I have more fun than you. >> You definitely don't. You hate your >> Oh, [ __ ] >> Hot take. Oh [ __ ]

[1:39:13] >> Oh [ __ ] Let's get into it. >> He got me good, >> but let me tell you, >> I'm going to shove a big Mac up my ass >> just because of that. So, >> anyways, NOW WAS MORE FUN.

[1:39:27] >> Classic creators just went to play the game and stream because all they want to do is play video games all day. And that's cool, man. That's fine. But that's cool, man. That's fine. But that's not actually making content. like

[1:39:40] >> it would need to be a new leveling journey, new zones, new Yeah, that would be the the thing that would make me if it's a completely new leveling journey. clap for it. >> Yeah.

[1:39:52] >> Um yeah, I don't really care much like the raids. I'm I'm cool. You need added more dungeons. You should have like level up bracket raids. That'd be cool again, you know, like a 3 week long like phase. I

[1:40:06] >> get really powerful gear while I'm leveling. >> I just want to draw out the leveling as long as possible. Once you're max level, >> They're never going to do something like they're going to add Mythic Plus. That

[1:40:18] will never happen. They're not going to add something like delves. They're not going to add like heroic quests. Maybe they'll add heroic dungeons. Maybe if we're lucky, by the way, which I still don't think they'll add. But like even

[1:40:31] then it's okay. But like dungeons we've done a million times. I want something new. I don't want vanilla.

[1:40:45] Yo, you want yo gun to my head? Put me on a brand new [ __ ] realm. Give me a new universe to explore an entire new continent. Like, give me something I've never seen in the classic universe. Then I'll be

[1:40:57] interested. Yeah. And as a retail player, we bring in the most money. We have this. We have the say our wallets matter. >> Yep. Our wallets matter. While you classic players are seasonal and

[1:41:11] I'm the real WoW player. Just stick to retail and quit whining, guys. Clip that and send it out right now. Ready? Here we go. I would say as a retail player, we bring it Stop, man. For real. I would say as a retail player, we bring in most

[1:41:26] the money. We spend money on housing decorations, mounts, level boost items. [ __ ] I even buy wild tokens with gold. And I spend a lot of money. I deserve to

[1:41:39] And I spend a lot of money. I deserve to have a great say in what classic is. And I say, "Give me transmog. Give me housing.

[1:41:52] >> Yes. Yes. Yes. I was I wanted that one. Boo. Yeah. Boost too. Wow. Wow token. I >> Yeah, >> dude. Actually, let me just buy the raid gear. That would be sick. >> Wait. Purchasable raid gear with gold.

[1:42:07] could just buy it with >> from the main menu. Yep. >> You don't even have to log in. >> Actually, I'll do you one better. You through the battlelet. You can do it on a web page.

[1:42:19] >> Okay. >> You can do it from mobile. You can buy app. >> You're spitting. I mean, you're >> This is why retail wins. Yes, >> dude.

[1:42:33] >> Retail W Classic L. Let's get some Retail W's in the chat. Retail W. everybody. I want to see the chat flooded on the screen. Retail W's in the

[1:42:46] chat. Let's go. Why are you tribalizing this by saying we retail? What do you mean? This is what we want as retail players.

[1:42:58] >> Retail W's. >> See that? >> See that? >> Come to me, my children. Retail W's. W Rage Bait. Yo, by the way, Spoon, getting baited that easily is [ __ ]

[1:43:14] fried. Get out of the chat. You actually don't deserve to be here if you're getting baited by some stupid [ __ ] like that. That's crazy. The other guy too, what was his name? Just stick to retail and quit whining.

[1:43:28] Oh my god, you're fire. Yo, to get baited by some stupid [ __ ] like that. Yo, no wonder classic is dead. >> Oh, cuz you're [ __ ] playing it. occasionally purchase accessories items just the ways to support the game

[1:43:43] outside monthly subscription is something I mean listen all jokes aside I when it comes to classic I genuinely think there's going to be cuz they're going to make you purchase it. I'm assuming it's going to be $40 or

[1:43:57] $30 and there's going to be heroic or epic edition upgrades. Have I cleared the mythic raid? No, but I'm subtop 1% in mythic plus so suck me. By the way, else? >> Yeah, got that ass.

[1:44:11] >> Yeah, got that ass. >> Look up my logs. Sky Dark. Look me up, >> little Timmy. Well, we just did a a classic uh rage bait. >> We did a classic rage bait where we saying we want transmog in classic. We

[1:44:23] >> flying mounts, too. We need that. Wow tokens. Housing. >> Yep. Housing. >> And you can purchase raid items with gold through a mobile app. And classic players are getting offended because

[1:44:36] they thought we were serious. Um because they think this is what happens in a retail stream. I think you um sit here and talk about Oh, by the way, parsing uh 99% in the

[1:44:50] case you're wondering. By the way, Leaky Leaky Bo, Leaky Bo, uh look me up in case you're wondering. >> Uh not going to lie, I wouldn't mind housing a classic. Yo, unironically

[1:45:03] sick. Unironically, as long as there's no microtransactions, a small little guild neighborhood doesn't have to be big, could be 15, 20 plots, unironically >> By the way, you should hope that they would have microtransactions for the

[1:45:17] your game. >> No, you can't do that. You can't give Blizzard that evil corporate company money. You retail shill. >> see now you see what I'm doing now. >> You see how quick I've switched up on

[1:45:32] >> No, I did. >> Now you got it. >> No, you're just a retail shill. I play classic. I'm the real WoW player. All the original developers left and they're stuck with peasants like you. Don't take

[1:45:45] your furry and your housing decorations with with your Vulpira and your housing and your WoW tokens. I'm going to go buy my WoW goat on illegal >> Uno reverse is crazy. >> If Vulpira never got added and Seth did,

[1:45:59] I think WoW would be a much better game. Yo, unironically World of Warcraft. And I know there's some Vulpira fans, even though it's really cool. There's some cool moments where I like Vulpira, too, but Seth

[1:46:11] definitely should have been added. Or ogre. Vulpira being a hoorde race is the And that's actually me being dead serious. Don't bring fries into this. Yo, nerdy, it has to happen. We got to bring it up. Even though I had a vuler

[1:46:24] rogue. Wait, can we play And I'm Proud to be American where at least I know I'm free and I won't forget the men who died and gave their life to me cuz America

[1:47:02] I bless the USA. Rockets, jets, eagle. Eagle, America. Like I want I want Sylvester

[1:47:14] Stallone with an M60 shirt off, spray oil. American flag. Not even the camo one. American flag. Bubba hot dog, >> dude. Grill, dude.

[1:47:28] >> Fireworks. >> You're spitting, dude. Sitting at the >> Burgers. >> Apollo Creed and his American flag >> that's America to me. >> And he's fighting

[1:47:42] >> in another terrorist in another universe. Um, Rocky's the one who dies in part four of Rocky and Apollo Creed with those American flag trunks is the one who actually wins. >> Yes, there's another universe that

[1:47:55] happens and then instead of in the past. Yes. Uh, what's that screaming eagle meme? I don't know. So, classic plus boys, who's hyped? Yes. Transmog. boys, who's hyped? Yes. Transmog. Yes. Pay to win USA. Your elves and

[1:48:09] bikinis sounded like a vulture, bro. That's crazy. Explosions in the eagles. You made me salute. Nice. [laughter] Y Ram is so funny, bro. I don't know, Ram is so funny, bro. I don't know, guys. Um, honestly, just sitting here

[1:48:23] rambling. You want to know what's the best about classic talk? You can just sit and talk and ask questions to the chat >> and just speculate >> and just speculate [ __ ] the entire

[1:48:35] time. You can do it all day. All jokes aside though, now because of that. First of all, Rocky for is a fantastic movie. [ __ ] >> It's a great film movie, bro. I can't wait.

[1:48:49] >> Or what's the what? What's the uh the Wolverines? That's another >> [ __ ] >> Not New Red Dawn. >> Yes. >> Yeah, 100%.

[1:49:02] been a Wolverine? Ready? Here's my resume. Ready? resume. Ready? >> Stop. you could have been. >> What about What about Could I have been

[1:49:17] an outsider? >> Why are Johnny me? >> What are you Why are you bringing up the Outsiders? That's a What do you mean? [ __ ] is wrong with you? >> All right, that's all I got. Hey, man.

[1:49:30] He's a top 1enter. He could have [laughter] been. Yo, by the way guys, in case you're wondering, the only reason I'm doing this stupid [ __ ] in Mythic Bust this season is for clowns like that guy to tell him to look me up. I'm top

[1:49:43] 1%. He literally did not say another word in the chat. He left. I'm not even kidding. Unironically, he didn't say another word. He literally left the chat when he said, "What are your pusses? Have you even mount though? Mount's

[1:49:57] >> I do love the mount, but the mount's a personal thing." And for the cool mount, you know, you haven't cleared mythic raid. [ __ ] Leaky is still here. I mean, you're right. I haven't cleared mythic raid. I don't have a mythic raid team.

[1:50:11] You're 100% right. You got that a million%. You have me on that. I did Laura on heroic. That was enough for me. I wasn't interested in mythic. Mythic beat me 100%. You got me 100%. I wasn't up to the task.

[1:50:25] But top 1% on a [ __ ] spec in the season top 1% on a [ __ ] spec in the season where they first added 1% mount in the most competitive season of all time of World of Warcraft history. Yeah, I would

[1:50:38] say that's a pretty big W. Pretty big W, bro. So, I don't know. By the way, Gino, you ever need help? You know, like the easiest Mythic You're fried. This is not the easiest Mythic Plus season. You're f You're fried. It's

[1:50:52] the most competitive Mythic Plus season ever because literally the the mo the [music] every existence possible on a [ __ ] spec solo queued by the way. Solo queued. >> It is. No, it's not.

[1:51:06] >> No, it's not. These dungeons are terrible. When's the last time you run Algathar Academy? >> Go run Algathar Academy. Let's see if that's the easiest mythic plus season ever. Go ahead and get on that. Anything

[1:51:19] ever. Go ahead and get on that. Anything else? aa absolute swamp. And by the way, you die one time, your keys bricked at a plus 20. Literally one time someone dies like it's cooked a thousand times. Not on a mythic plus 20. That [ __ ] is ass. I

[1:51:35] have to do that this week, by the way. Not fun. Wiped in that too many times. And the boss is the hardest design yet this season. Terrible. Pituron's easy. There's a couple dungeons that are easy this season. I'll be real. I'll be real.

[1:51:50] I'll be real. Yeah, but doing plus 10s is not 20s, dude. It's different. At a plus 10 to 14 range this season is a joke. Nothing kills you. season of War Within? Are you talking about season one? Cuz no, it's not.

[1:52:07] Season one of War Within was one of the hardest, if not the hardest seasons of hardest, if not the hardest seasons of all time in Mythic Plus. Definitely not. >> Are you talking about >> difficult?

[1:52:20] >> Are you talking about doing plus 10? >> He definitely like even do mythic plus and I was doing 10 easy. >> I tried some 16s and my spec is so damn

[1:52:33] squishy. I understand why we don't see any above 19 max. >> War Within was easier is what I said. No. And what? No. No. What? Oh, midnight. Oh, word. Midnight is easier than War Within season one.

[1:52:48] Midnight's Mythic Plus pool is not easier than War Within season 3. I did War Within season 3. I did the same thing on Arcane Mage. Now, I was lucky there because I rolled the spec that actually was meta. I will admit, I got

[1:53:00] groups. I'll be real. But this season, I'm literally top to bottom solo Q. No warlock. >> Yo, Grim Batl was annoying. was impossible. You get one-shotted by a cast if a cast went off.

[1:53:16] But >> season 3 was easier than Midnight season 1 at the highest level. >> Priory was tough, too. >> Priory was tough, too. >> Priory. Ooh, buddy.

[1:53:30] >> Dawn breaky. >> Not every season. We're just going to have to agree to disagree. Like, no. Memes aside, I know I'm memeing about aside, when it comes to we're just going to have to greet it. Cinder Brew was

[1:53:44] tough. Yeah, too. But it was fun. >> That first poll in Cinder Brew leaky, you have to admit it was fun. Even though it was suicide, I remember that though it was suicide, I remember that was my first I think I hit 2 million DPS

[1:53:56] or not 2 million. What was it that back then? It was like 10 million. It was something crazy. I have the clip on on a destruction warlock. That was fun. That was fun. At least you won't group with me.

[1:54:10] At least you won't group with me. Listen, let me tell you. When Yo, I'm at Listen, let me tell you. When Yo, I'm at 19 right now. Whenever I log in, I am forced to drain all of my time figuring out how to progress through mythic plus.

[1:54:23] I don't have an option. It suffocated me this entire season. I will never do this again. Never again. I I just have no interest. Not because I don't think I Stone vault. Yeah, that's a disaster of a dungeon as well. And so was uh the

[1:54:37] what was the season 2 dungeon with like the vampire one. >> Yeah, >> in uh Shadowlands. remind me of the name. >> Uh right.

[1:54:49] >> No, the one with the I forgot. I don't know. How do you feel about Shadowlands Mythic Plus season? By the way, I actually heard good things. Plus was tough. >> It was just hard. Yeah, I heard good

[1:55:02] things when it comes to design. Yeah, the Shadowlands. Exactly. I just forgot the name of it. Halls of Atonement. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Very difficult >> Mythic plus seasons were hard. >> Very hard. But I like the dungeon

[1:55:16] design. Is that bad? Except for [ __ ] um obviously the mystic tier. That was a um obviously the mystic tier. That was a terrible [ __ ] I [ __ ] hate >> We got that season. >> Yo, season one of War Within was a

[1:55:30] >> Nightmare, bro. >> Castra is banging. easy post nerf. I I still didn't even like it. I don't know. I've just gotten

[1:55:42] so much better over time with retail. Like retail forces you to get better at the game. Like I've gotten so much better at the game this season between having like multiple [music] kick targets, focus kicking, better priority

[1:55:56] targets, focus kicking, better priority damaging, survival better, like like macroing things together. Like I've gotten so disgusting at the game. I'm so good at my warlock and I never say that. Like I never try to say I'm good because

[1:56:10] I really don't think I am. But no, I I am I'm very good on my I'm I am [music] sometimes. Weird thing because I know I love it when I was going, but the zones >> tell tell about it, Lance. >> The zones of Shadowlands were

[1:56:27] >> The zones of Shadowlands were >> spectacular. I mean, all outside of >> All the zones were good. >> Could there be an argument that Shadowlands had the best leveling experience post

[1:56:40] >> Like Legion? post like Legion onward like the I would say Retail 2. >> No. Get the hell out. >> Even Dragon Flights was better. >> Yeah. War Within's leveling was really good.

[1:56:53] didn't like the Shadowlands of >> I did, but I like War Within. >> Go through Mald Draxis. Uh uh uh uh uh. Oh my god. The Kieran.

[1:57:05] >> Bastion. >> Bastion. Yeah, Bastion. zones a lot. >> The night phase zone. >> Revenge.

[1:57:18] >> By the way, even while leveling, covenants are super cool. Especially the to try them all out. [music] >> Yeah. Very cool. Oraos. Come. Yo, Oraos. >> Yeah. Very cool. Oraos. Come. Yo, Oraos. Oh, daddy. Yo, talk about an F tier

[1:57:32] [music] like capital. Yikes. Piano arcane mage. Please, God, no. Oh my god. Even though I don't like Arcane Mage now, I hate what they did to Arcane Age now. But no, that version of Arcane was [music]

[1:57:47] >> there's so intimidating. >> There's a world where they make a whole expansion based off like they don't have the Reendras people being in a Shadowlands and they make just a vampire

[1:58:00] area on Azeroth and they make a whole vampire expansion. >> I'm going to be honest. >> A dark gothic vampire expansion. draining >> the draining villain. Give me homeboy

[1:58:13] back. What was his name? >> No, no, no. Hell no. I'm talking about >> Oh, Denathrius. >> Give me Denathrius back as a villain. Anima draining worldending threat. Sucking the souls of

[1:58:29] something. Bro, I'll take something cookie cutter like that and that shit's cool. I don't care. I'm chilling. >> Listen, everyone liked Desire. >> I think that's in Last Titan. Yeah, they

[1:58:42] there's some sort of super weapon or something going on. >> Yeah. Like how sick would a whole vampire expansion would have been? Like that gothic aesthetic the music was [ __ ] sick.

[1:58:54] all the time. And then what if like [music] what if that whole essence like [music] what if that whole essence like turns people into vampires and like like some of like the biggest heroes in like of our you know people

[1:59:08] like Hoarder Alliance get turned and you have to fight them as raid bosses or into a vampire >> world into eternal darkness. >> I miss some fanfiction level [ __ ] >> Firefight was super dope. Absolutely.

[1:59:24] I got that boss on heroic I think on like week four the sub 5% I [ __ ] you not like six or seven polls in a row but we couldn't [ __ ] kill him through the then literally the guild that was with disband broke up didn't do it

[1:59:41] I did however parse a 100 I'll never forget on uh what's that boss's name Sludgefist was that his name he runs into the barriers that was my first ever 100 bars was fire experience.

[1:59:57] Oh gee, that was fun. Uh but okay, ladies and gentlemen, uh that is going category turn vampire no longer wheelchair. Yes, finally someone with a brain around here. Um check out the third camera by the way. Even though

[2:00:12] like the uh the film is messed up because I actually don't have a uh a L. Let me see if I could just add it real quick.

[2:00:27] Where is it? I don't think I see it. I don't know what else. Can I just copy filters?

[2:00:43] Oh, I think it's cuz the white balance is wrong. Oopsies. stream with the hug. Nah, man. I'm mad at him. >> No, I love him. Yo, I don't know if you guys know this is my IRL brother right

[2:00:59] >> No, >> I don't know if you guys know that. Um, friend >> like kind of like brother from another Yeah. That it's Yeah, it's cuz it's going through the camera. I didn't set

[2:01:12] visually test it out a little bit. Uh, but yes, we will see you guys Saturday, >> No. >> Saturday, July 4th. >> Oh, then no. We will not. We will not see you Saturday. Um, so yeah, guys,

[2:01:26] have a great July 4th. Remember, America, USA is the best. Um, we will maybe stream maybe I'll stream some gameplay Sunday night. Do you guys kiss off camera? Yes, we give a kiss. Good night. See you later. Uh, we saw the

[2:01:40] pictures. You can't lie, Lance. You ever seen What was that one like famous guy that Tom Brady? >> Tom Brady. [ __ ] weirdo. >> I mean, his son, he was like a six-year-old, man.

[2:01:59] Will you be making a guild when Classic Plus comes out? We don't even know if we'll be playing it. Depends on what it is, buddy. See you guys later. Um, yes, we will be making a guild when Classic Plus comes out. By the way, uh,

[2:02:13] was memeing and trolling about the classic stuff. We're glad to have your very, very much. Have a wonderful July 4th. Be safe. Don't do anything stupid horror stories. Have a good time. Enjoy your family and real quick.

[2:02:29] >> Guys, I do want to say this guy really doesn't want me to talk about it, but we do know a classic book. One day when the NDA lifts, I'll tell you guys all the NDA lifts, I'll tell you guys all about it. Listen, I will just say this.

[2:02:48] leave it at that. Guys, we love you. We have insider information. If you want to find out, [music] come to the next stream and make sure to donate because that's that's what Classic's all about. It's all about supporting your streamers

[2:03:02] through the [ __ ] And right now, guys, I'm broke. I'm a classic creator now and I'm broke, >> guys. 100 gifted subs. We'll set a goal. We'll set a goal. >> If you could get 200 gifted before my

[2:03:15] >> If you could get 200 gifted before my baby shower next weekend, we will talk all we'll do the classic plus tell all for everything we know about classic. >> Classic plus tell all the >> No, it's the AMA classic plus for

[2:03:30] >> Just know that, guys. >> Yes. Yes. >> All it will take 1,000 gifties. You know what? The price just went up. You know what? The price just went up. You want classic [laughter] news? 5,000

[2:03:44] gifted and I'll give you all the insider info. >> Let me tell you this. We'll give you all the info we know. Quote me on that. All right. Anyways, love you guys. God bless. Having a great

[2:03:57] July 4th. Enjoy your family. We'll see you guys in the next one. Peace out.