Sora is Dead - WAN Show March 27, 2026

[00:09] LAN show. Okay, seriously though, you need to calm down for a second because we have a huge show this week and you know how we've been talking about the idea of a good news LAN show? >> Yeah. We're easing ourselves into it.

[00:23] >> Okay. April is going to be good news LAN show month. Okay. be in the LAN show. >> if it's extremely important news? >> If it's extremely important news, we could maybe have a single car vote

[00:37] single car vote or or we could do an extremely important bad news LAN show >> We should bring back the like really really dark scene for the single car

[00:49] >> We could do that. We could do Then people can easily skip it. It's news LAN show and we're going to be starting with some pretty freaking good starting with some pretty freaking good news today. Sora is dead. That's right.

[01:02] news today. Sora is dead. That's right. OpenAI just flipping flipped the switch. It's gone. We're going to be talking about that. Also, in some mixed news, Meta and Google were found liable in a landmark social media

[01:17] Um we'll get into it in a little bit more depth later, but for starters, um more depth later, but for starters, um $3 million in damages to the plaintiff and that may just be the tip of the iceberg. What else we [snorts] got?

[01:32] >> Or the Zuckerberg. Oh. >> thought of that the first time. >> Zuckerberg's tip? Uh anyways, Wine 11 is a game changer in potentially some actually really cool ways and we have a double jeopardy here. Uh Bigger Battle

[01:47] double jeopardy here. Uh Bigger Battle Mage has has arrived and uh Crimson Desert is apparently finally supporting Intel GPUs. No one knows why they That was a really up thing for you to say.

[01:59] What? Zuckerberg's tip? Why would I want to THINK ABOUT THAT? to THINK ABOUT THAT? >> [laughter]

[02:26] Jawa, Squarespace, [music] Tello, and Proton Mail, alongside our wrap partner dbrand, our laptop partner Razer, and our chair partner also Razer. Let's jump

[02:38] right into our headline topic today, which is Sora is dead, long live Spud. On Tuesday, OpenAI announced the demise of the video generation app and API that

[02:52] was front and center in a billion-dollar licensing deal with Disney just a few months ago. A deal which is also coming to an end, according to the Hollywood Reporter. OpenAI is also scaling back some of

[03:05] ChatGPT's shopping features as they shift their focus to business and productivity tools, apparently code-named Spud, as they continue down offering. It is not clear whether the core model

[03:19] will be folded into another model, uh preserved in some way, or just outright preserved in some way, or just outright discarded as they walk away from Sora video generation. Let's talk a little bit about, to start, the technical side

[03:34] bit about, to start, the technical side of a video generation service and why that might not be economically viable like ever.

[03:47] >> It could be, but >> Yeah. to individual end users, >> I mean, there's there's been a theory craft that like, uh, you know, fast forward, hopefully a lot of years, and political campaigns

[04:03] lot of years, and political campaigns could be custom tailored per person. That's not a consumer use case. Because it's all about who's paying for

[04:16] token. Because at the end of the day, OpenAI has to figure out, and they really don't have a lot of time right now, what a business model for their product is going to look like. Did individual users pay for tokens for on

[04:30] Is [snorts] that how that worked? Um, my understanding is that >> it once for that video Riley and I did. Yeah, my understanding is that you would you would pay for tokens if you want to generate video on it. Yeah, that's a

[04:43] little weird. I I the the thing that I suspect could eventually happen is if like if the platform is trying to generate videos that draw you in. raising alarm bells about how this could be a direction for YouTube.

[04:58] Um, where YouTube stops being well, maybe it starts embracing the name even more. Um, you know, and it ends up being content that they're generating for you based on your viewing habits, and

[05:10] eventually there are there are no really creators. It's just platforms making Um, I could see viability there. But yeah, I mean, I never really understood the business model of Sora making any sense,

[05:24] did either. I don't know a single person who actually really used it beyond the who actually really used it beyond the first like few days. I mean, to me what it was was simply a a marketing stunt. It was a it was a billboard. I mean,

[05:37] they clearly didn't do the groundwork ahead of time to deal with the licensing issues that they were obviously going to have with it. They kind of patched together that deal with Disney. I believe that wasn't the only deal they

[05:53] influencers to get permission to use their likeness. So they generated a bunch of buzz that way, but way, but I I heard and I don't know I don't know

[06:06] how true this is. How much was Sora costing per day? Let me see if I can find a credible number, but from my understanding it was costing anywhere from hundreds of thousands of dollars to as much as millions of

[06:20] dollars per day. Hold on a second. Where is this from? Yeah, I've I've got this post on Reddit that has zero up votes. So I think I'm going to just not quote anything from that.

[06:34] >> [laughter] >> But CBC reports that an analyst, okay, sure. Here we go. I will Oh my god. Okay. >> Where's the article? Oh, there it is.

[06:48] I'm going to derail this a little bit. We're going to come back to it for a second. Sorry, no key timestamp guy. You're just going to have to kind of work with me here. I have a confession to make.

[07:00] You ad blocking? I installed Brave on my phone yesterday for the explicit purpose for the express purpose of blocking an ad from a page.

[07:14] This is the first time >> Ladies and gentlemen, we got him. outside of content >> We got him. I have engaged in web ad >> How's the hat feel? Um I mean, hypocritical.

[07:27] Right? Because that's the whole reason that we have the policies we have internally here. That's the whole reason that I don't use it is because as someone whose business is supported by by ads in a not insignificant way, it

[07:43] would have felt very hypocritical for me to block ads personally >> [snorts] >> However, I had and I I kid you not, I wouldn't say this if it wasn't true, I had no

[07:59] choice, Luke. I was forced to block ads. you click it it just doesn't work unless you have an ad blocker? Um >> I'm going to see if I can find the right link. Yeah, this is this is the one. So,

[08:13] I'm going to open this link in Chrome here real quick and I'm I'm going to show you what I'm talking about. It's from uh it's an article I was trying to Uh I don't know I don't know how well

[08:25] this here, but here's the article uh Tesla is not in fact operating an autonomous vehicle service and I wanted to read the comments on this. You know, you know what a fan of comments I am. Yeah, here it is. It's still Oh, no, no,

[08:40] no. Okay, so it's fixed now, but it's not fixed because they fixed it. It's fixed because the size of this banner ad is not as wide as the one that I had. So, when I opened up this article yesterday, I was getting a banner that

[08:53] was so wide that it covered part of the first comment here. Okay, just like this one and extended all the way to cover the expand button. >> I couldn't Yeah, it was taller. So, I couldn't click expand

[09:08] to see the comment section. I literally could not interact with the website in order to use it That's pretty sick. >> without engaging an ad blocker. Freaking irritating. Anyway, on that

[09:23] Okay, back to this CBC article. One moment, please. Let me just disappeared. Generated by AI. Right, right, right, right, right. Uh so, yeah, CBC. Hold on. Dollar sign.

[09:36] was also by some accounts an expensive flop. In November one analyst suggested generate a 10-second video. That actually doesn't sound that crazy. Based estimated this would cost the company about 15 million dollars

[09:52] >> [snorts] >> And that's a number that's kind of hard to pin down because how much of your video generation cost is your fixed cost >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. >> How much of it of it is the

[10:07] infrastructure that you had to build >> GPUs that are already sitting there. >> GPUs that are already sitting there. >> in order to accommodate the volume of tokens, the volume of requests you're getting, and then how much of it is the

[10:19] actual energy of that actual video generation task that you did? And it's it's hard to decide how much of that fixed cost you amortize across how many cost individual engagements, right? So, it's

[10:37] sure, but what I think we can say with certainty is that it was flipping expensive to run with as far as I can tell no model to profitability.

[10:51] Cuz like you've talked extensively in the past about how expensive it is to >> Yeah. Right? And you know what's funny is and this is going to kind of this kind of turns the whole idea of AI being

[11:06] an efficiency booster and a cost saver sort of on its head, but let me kind of let me kind of present it this way. YouTube has all of the challenges of hosting a video platform, right? Whether we're talking VOD or short form or live

[11:22] streaming, you've got to deal with all of the encoding. You've got to deal with all the storage. You've got to deal with all the bandwidth. But YouTube has an army, a literal army

[11:35] a literal army of free labor. Yeah. Or at least not free commission labor. Yeah, like like skimmed. So they they will be making money the more of them there are kind of labor, yeah. But the but but the humans

[11:49] who are uploading content to the YouTube platform that nobody watches, well, hey, have to store it. That kind of blows. >> And storage isn't getting

[12:01] used to. >> No. So so there's you know, there are still things that kind of blow about that. But hey, they didn't pay anybody to make the content. So they all they have to do is apply

[12:13] their you know, quality filter and algorithm and there there's a path to a Sora, every they had to pay for every single piece of content, no matter how good or how bad it was.

[12:28] On top of any encoding and bandwidth and storage. storage. I mean, YouTube is already unassailable without them having to pay, whether it's a buck 30 or whether it's 13 cents,

[12:42] whatever it is per generated video on the platform, they ain't paying for it unless it makes money. Unless it generates revenue. Um so yeah, it's pretty it's pretty clear that it was it was a showcase for

[12:56] their latest video generation model and what they're going to do with that, I don't know because they yeah, like just going straight pay to play, straight B2B is obviously something that they could do. But to

[13:09] your point, you know, how big is the market going to be for that? And yet is how much competition is there going to be there? one doing video generation right now. >> Yeah.

[13:22] The not even like right at that time. Like at that time like oh, AI social media platforms thing. Those were Those were Those were a big deal, right? I'm trying to I'm trying to figure out how much it would cost

[13:36] um for the YouTube and Twitch live viewership of this show right now. Oh, is that what you're doing? You're >> still kind of building up, um but there's like 5,200 on YouTube and

[13:51] there's like 5,200 on YouTube and about 1,800-ish on Twitch. So, let's say about 1,800-ish on Twitch. So, let's say that's 7,000. Um Sure, let's say that. Hours streamed? We've been doing like four, I think.

[14:05] Well, we did over 4 hours last week. I totally didn't realize what was going on and I'm like, "Oh my gosh, that's crazy." Let's say I don't know if we're advanced HD or just standard.

[14:19] I'm not sure. Uh do you want me to do something while >> ready? Yeah, let's see your mouth. >> doing low latency, which I believe it is on YouTube and Twitch right now. >> Yep. Um we're not even looking at chat,

[14:32] but we're doing one channel. Channel type, I'm just doing standard. I'm not is between these are. Full HD 1080p because I think I'm pretty I'm pretty sure we are streaming that. 4 hours streamed, 7,000 viewers. This

[14:45] show, but let's just keep it where it is for now. And the cheapest area for viewership generally of North America, and it's still 2,000 USD. That's wild.

[14:57] streaming is expensive. >> pay that much for every Floatplane LAN show stream, do we? Well, there's not that many viewers on Floatplane. Right, right. Oh, god. Yeah. There is a decent amount of viewers on

[15:10] Floatplane. But, that's that's the IVS calculator. So, like And obviously, getting like volume discounts and stuff. Um but, as far as my understanding goes, like Kick is running through

[15:22] Yeah. Which has always been a really interesting part of that whole Cuz IVS is, you know, parent company of Twitch, you know. Yeah, 730 chatters on Floatplane, but the chatters menu also doesn't count

[15:37] perfectly because there's different forms of ad blocking that can block that and we've never bothered to like do the work to make sure that that's 100% >> It doesn't matter that much. >> What's the value in that? Yeah, it's

[15:51] just like not There are so many You guys let us know >> [laughter] >> that there are like so many things that we could be working on that are probably more valuable than that.

[16:04] we are trying to get things like TV app and other things out. Um All right, let's just highlight as we move out of the Sora discussion, the time that Luke and Riley tried Sora and

[16:18] played around with it last October. That is over at lmg.gg/floatplane. That's a pretty fun little exclusive over there. Um The paper says headline topic, but we're

[16:32] know what? Actually >> I'm lost and confused. I think I do know >> No. Okay, I'll take the paper down. There's >> There's going to be so many topics

[16:45] it? Where is it? Where is it? Where is it? >> to do the CW announcements today. Oh, it's like right at the top. >> Listen. >> [laughter]

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[20:35] now? Let's do them now. Let's do one now. Sure. That's all I got. Hi, specifically Luke. It's an interesting name for Luke. Mhm. I don't know, I like it. Specifically Luke. Yeah, not Lucas.

[20:48] Not Lucaniel. Not Lukaziah. Lukaziah [laughter] would be okay. >> like just Luke, too. >> Just Luke it. >> [laughter]

[21:02] >> Dear god. Okay, sorry. I'm going to call you that from now on. >> anyway, what happened to the hype around the 970 XT? I love mine, but everyone kind of makes me wish I got a 570 TI. Also, I will pay hundreds for a black

[21:18] shaft screwdriver. Uh, I mean, I think it's just like classic Nvidia bias. Where you're just like, I mean, having what is it, 95% market share is going to make people

[21:32] Yeah. I don't think it's necessarily that you like made a bad choice or anything like that. It's just Look at that. Look at Look at Look at that. Wow. So, if people are going to talk about cards, it's

[21:44] probably going to be the cards that they have. And if 95% of people have that card. Uh, it doesn't even specify the card. It just says Wow, there's AMD Radeon TM graphics, and

[21:57] there's also AMD Radeon graphics. I think these are on board. >> One of them's not trademarked. >> on board ones. Um, so you have to go all the way down to Brazillianth place to find a single AMD discrete GPU.

[22:14] >> It's a generation old, and they're they're looking at they're looking at less than 1% of the market. Yeah. of less than 1% of the market. Yeah. of Steam gamers.

[22:28] and more mainstream. Newer mainstream. How far do we have to go to find a 90 something XT? something XT? Last gen flagship at 0.5%. Oh, fallen to

[22:42] 0.27% of gamers. Whoopsie doodles. And like, it's actually very surprising. I I Hell [laughter] yeah. It's above the 970. Did I miss it? Jeez, I don't think so. I

[22:58] might have, but I didn't see it. 90s. >> Yeah, so like I I I and it's like a chicken and egg problem to a certain degree where >> Wow. a lot of people are just buying Nvidia um and that kind of informs the

[23:13] pre-built market. A lot of the pre-built market is only really serving Nvidia GPUs because of that. Um but then a very surprising for me and likely for you because you seem to be in the community of people that's building

[23:27] their own computers. Um A massive amount of people buy pre-builts. Like way more than I ever would have thought. Um would have thought. Um It's it's a huge market actually. Even

[23:40] think of as DIY >> Like hardcore Like MSI apparently is I don't know if this is on the record or not. Well, whatever, I'm going with it. What's Cliff going to do? Yell at me? Um MSI is apparently just like slaying it

[23:55] as a system integrator. Yeah. And like I mean, yeah, it makes sense, right? That it's not like they don't have motherboards and GPUs. So like what? They could sell you a motherboard and a GPU or hear me

[24:09] out. Here you [laughter] go. works, right? >> funny that the hard part is RAM now. Um computers.

[24:22] actually really surprising amount of it is people just don't want to bother. Um like I I experienced this for the first time kind of as I was ending my my time working at like Best

[24:36] a buddy of mine who was one of my supervisors at Best Buy who had moved on and we we were chatting and he was talking about how he was going to he was Okay. >> NCIX had a cool service where it wasn't

[24:53] configure it yourself and then they build it for like 50 bucks or something. fact, I think you could get it as cheap as 25 if you used the old classic PC builder interface where we didn't even bother putting together like recommended

[25:07] configs for you. Uh, okay. Like 25 bucks or something to build a computer, and it was warranted if I remember correctly. warranty on the system as a whole. >> Yeah. And they treated the sale like a

[25:22] parts sale. So, a lot of hardware manufacturers will actually give you a different warranty for your parts if it was through a system integrator. So, NCIX would give you an invoice for all your individual

[25:35] and accessories. >> would be another line item for the build PC build service or something like that. So, what that means is 2 and 1/2 years down the line when your NCIX PC warranty is up, you can contact ASUS and

[25:50] get a new motherboard. Yeah. If you are are so inclined. Yeah. So, like I actually knew quite a few people who ended up just going that route. I even computers built by me and then were like, "Well,

[26:04] bother you, and it was like 50 bucks, so I just did that." And it was like, "Okay." So, like I ended up knowing a would have been very comfortable building their own computer, but just

[26:17] kind of had a lot of other stuff going on, and they needed a new computer. It's 50 bucks. And there's so many things like that. I think it's easy for us to be in our bubble where we go, "I'm so passionate about this thing, and I

[26:29] legitimately enjoy it. Why would anybody pay someone else to do it for them?" And our lives that we're just not that passionate about, and we just don't feel like dealing with. Like it took me, this is an embarrassing amount of time, but I

[26:44] had a leak in the differentials and a leak in the shocks, and I I the skid leak in the shocks, and I I the skid plate on this RC car.

[26:57] >> And just just didn't get around to fixing it. just didn't get around to fixing it. Because I bought it as a kit from Arma and so I didn't piece it together. I didn't know exactly you know, what the

[27:11] standard of the particular brushed motor is and I'd never actually installed the didn't even know how to like get at it and open it and I didn't even know exactly where all the ceiling o-rings were in the shocks. Like I didn't I just

[27:27] didn't understand how it went together and that barrier of not knowing exactly what to Google in order to find the answer that you need was high enough

[27:39] that I just it just sat in my garage for years and years and years. away broken. Use this mantra for everything." This may surprise you, but the last 9 years have been pretty busy for me.

[27:52] >> Yeah, sometimes you don't really have that that luxury. think that's a a really good but you know, a little bit more dramatic comparison of like I could do my taxes.

[28:08] these days. Just because I don't want to worry about it. Yeah. What if I do something wrong? Yeah. I kind of really rather

[28:20] it just didn't go wrong. Sometimes the stakes are so much higher than the cost. right? >> Yeah. Cheaper not TO PAY THEM. >> [laughter]

[28:35] >> SPEAKING OF NOT PAYING, someone else said it's $50 plus $100 for Windows. I'm pretty sure NCX would let you build a computer on the computer configurator >> They did. And then they would would have a drive with Windows to test with and

[28:47] >> And then they'd nuke the Windows install. Yeah, so like no, actually you didn't have [laughter] to do that. NCIX was kind of based in some ways. Yeah. There were some ways that, you know what? I I Look, I I've made it very

[29:00] clear I didn't agree with some of the direction they were going for the business. I've also made it very clear that just because they listened to me success. They were headed into a very challenging landscape with Amazon coming

[29:15] hard at Canada and Newegg doing the same. But there were some things about NCIX that were were pretty cool. I know other computer shop that I can imagine would have let me come in on a

[29:27] weekend, borrow their known good working hardware to troubleshoot my computer so part I needed. Like that was that was crazy and they were just they had a pretty yeah, let's make it work kind of culture

[29:41] within the rigid confines of their policies. Sure. [laughter] Yeah, yeah, It's the I think the best way that I could probably put it. Um Yeah, and so it's I don't know. I I

[29:55] think this is a big part of the reason why we have 95% market share on Nvidia which is why we keep talking about the graphics cards cuz we're trying to help them. Hey, ding ding ding ding ding ding ding ding Topic brocked. Is it time for

[30:09] ding ding Topic brocked. Is it time for >> brocked a topic. our weekly Intel Arc B 580 MSRP We haven't done this in a long time. Well, listen. It's supposed to be It's not really weekly anymore.

[30:21] >> I I I I I I I I I I I I I got to call back in. All right, what do we got here? An ASRock Challenger for 300, Steel Legend 309. Okay, we've got an ASRock Lumi Arc for 289.

[30:36] Do we get any bonuses with it? Do we get any games or anything like that? We >> No. We don't. 40 bucks over MSRP. Okay. All right. Well, in the midst of the rampocalypse, we can no longer get

[30:52] an Arc B580 for MSRP, but there is a silver lining. There's an open box ASRock Challenger, final sale, non-refundable. That's for $259. So, it's there. Open box product disclaimer. How scary

[31:06] Oh, my god. Why wouldn't you just link make me click two things? Previously opened and unused and blah blah blah. Expected to blah blah blah blah blah blah.

[31:18] blah blah blah blah blah blah. Usually do not come with a warranty. was never registered by the previous owner. Ooh, that's uh Accessories may or sketchy for certain products. Like, if it didn't come with the IO shield for a

[31:33] Yeah, I I'd be pretty irritated by that, too. With a GPU, I'd say there's not too >> Oh, yeah, that's fair. Um Uh 289, that's a that's a downer, but I Uh 289, that's a that's a downer, but I also can't go too hard at

[31:48] uh Onyx or at Intel given the current state of things and the fact that that is a 12-gig GPU for 289 and you sure as heck are not getting anything with 12 >> what it is? If Intel cheap If Intel is listening, if you guys could somehow

[32:03] flip the script, there's going to be a topic in here about how uh Crimson Desert didn't support Intel cards. We'll we'll talk about that more Um but if you want to flip the script on

[32:15] that, it could be really interesting considering it does now. Mhm. Yeah. >> bundle it. >> To to take it from like it didn't work at all to it's now bundled with the

[32:28] >> That'd be crazy. I'd [snorts] love that. And I think I um Crimson Desert Steam available now. Yes, I was totally born in 1983.

[32:43] Yeah, it's very positive. People seem to like it. I haven't played it, but 83% positive. Wow. Yeah. Yeah, that's impressive. Yeah. All right, cool. Meanwhile, a 5060 with only 8 gigs of VRAM is 370 bucks. So,

[32:59] Arc B580 is still looking like a pretty spectacular value. Yeah. Uh if you buy I always forget was it what it is. Is it just lmg.gg/newegg? got me. Thanks, Low Plane Chat. What did they say though? I didn't see it. Yeah,

[33:14] it's lmg.gg/newegg. Nice. All right. Should we jump right into uh new topic? Yeah. Routers? >> We can do some good news. Do you want to do some medium news? No. I want to do

[33:28] good news. Wine 11. >> Yeah. Looks like an absolute flipping game changer. And the timing of this, right in the midst of Linux challenge

[33:40] about Did you see that Reddit thread on the LTT subreddit this week? Someone's like, I decided to do the Linux challenge alongside Linus and Elijah and >> too. saw that too. Not going back. >> Really cool. Um all right. For the first

[33:54] >> Really cool. Um all right. For the first time, Wine 11. So, Wine is short for time, Wine 11. So, Wine is short for Wine is not an emulator. It's the foundation of uh of Proton and running x86 games on Linux. Uh anyhoo,

[34:09] Wine 11 >> very good. NT Sync, a Wine specific implementation of the NT synchronization primitives, mutexes, semaphores, events, etc. that are baked deep into the Windows kernel that are relied upon to

[34:23] keep the various threads of modern multi-threaded applications, particularly games, coordinated. Up until now, Wine, and by extension Proton have utilized Esync and Fsync, which were clever workarounds that were

[34:37] developed by Elizabeth Figueroa at CodeWeavers, which um fault. >> But were a massive jump. But But they But they had some challenges because they just weren't deep enough. With

[34:52] Nsync, Figueroa abandons the approach of trying to replicate Windows behavior with existing Linux primitives and instead introduces a new kernel driver now. We're going kernel, baby. That directly models the NT synchronization

[35:05] directly models the NT synchronization API and exposes a /dev/ntsync device for Wine to talk to. These new features have already been in use in some distros, including Basite, but beginning with kernel 6.14,

[35:19] mainline Linux kernel, meaning that users of more mainstream distributions benefit from the new code. >> Awesome. Now, for many changes uh for

[35:31] many changes For many games, this is going to be a small or even completely insignificant change. But for some games, particularly heavily multi-threaded games, the impact is uh pretty impressive. Dirt 3

[35:47] >> [cough] >> That's ridiculous. >> Went from 110.6 to 860.7

[36:00] Wow. Tiny Tina's Wonderlands jumped from a 130 to 360, and some previously unplayable games outright, like Call of Duty: Black Ops 1, are now playable. In other Wine news, Wine 11 now has its own complete implementation of WoW 64,

[36:16] so that's Windows 32-bit on Windows 64-bit, the subsystem that allows 32-bit and even 16-bit Windows applications to run on 64-bit systems without needing >> [sighs] >> That is so cool. There's a bunch of

[36:30] all come together to make the experience of Windows gaming on Linux the best it's you want to throw the link to the XDA Developers article that the various chats? >> Another thing that feels fantastic Wow,

[36:45] this >> excited about Wine 11. >> excited about Wine 11. >> [laughter] about this is you seem to be cursed in regards to timing, right? There was the

[36:58] then there was the like whatever, I don't know, I I don't follow Pop!_OS, but that that thing with the the desktop environment that happened next time. Yeah, the Cosmic thing. This is the first time I think that the

[37:11] timing has actually been really good. Yeah. Cuz this is happen How Okay, we're Linux challenge. I think we're over 30 days. Okay. Yeah, but like I I'm I noticed you were still running it on

[37:26] I noticed you were still running it on your laptop. I saw that when we uh I mean, I'm setting up for the show. >> I'm clearly clearly still Linux-pilled right now. Yeah. Um I know at this point I

[37:41] I really really don't see myself going back to Windows on my laptop. I had to use Windows had to use Windows on someone else's system and it was very icky. You rage out about it

[37:56] start the show on this machine. >> Yeah. Yeah. Cuz like something will happen, like some AI thing will reinstall itself or Recall is like back on here after Dan scrubbed Recall off the system. It's

[38:09] like right now it's it's running okay. I don't know how it's using 50% of its RAM. That's insane. But um it's not like going crazy with the fans like it it it was previously because of failing to install Windows updates, but

[38:21] the it's it's just kind of there's ads, there's little pop-ups all annoying. So, at this point I'm not having any problems with my laptop and it's actually been more productive to have Linux installed. Like I've spent

[38:35] system with Linux installed than with Windows. So, there's like no way I'm >> have issues. The the Teams for Linux, like that weird web app thing, mostly works really great.

[38:49] My webcam is still not working, but that's that's a separate issue. >> Is that Is it working in other applications? Uh no. Okay. But Teams for Linux is just like it doesn't allow me to click a link

[39:02] Like if I click a if I click a link in here, it just just doesn't do anything. >> Yeah. So, there's like there's definitely but I mean, realistically, is

[39:16] [clears throat] link, and then and then I can paste and go? >> It is an extra step, though. It was a few extra steps. Yeah. But but you know what I didn't have to do is reaffirm

[39:31] for the umpteenth BILLIONTH TIME >> to open in Edge. >> [laughter] >> So, it's like not even necessarily that much less clicking. You're damned if you do, you're damned

[39:43] if you don't, right? So, I might as well be damned in my own way. Yeah. >> You know? Pe- Peter has a take here. Peter from Floatplane says, "My personal take is personal personalization is a red herring. A proper Linux system just

[39:56] works and there's no need to tinker." That's a big part of what I'm talking Linux Mint running on my laptop and I've had to do nothing. Everything has just worked. It gets out of my way. The updates are really easy easy to deal

[40:09] with, unproblematic. There's no like, "Are you sure you want to not save this to OneDrive? Are you sure? Do you want me TO RECALL THAT FOR YOU? YES, I'M SURE. DO YOU WANT TO OPEN THIS WEBPAGE IN EDGE? There's just like none

[40:22] >> like me to stay Would you like to stay signed in? Yes! For the 40 trillionth time. >> YES, I WOULD! >> YEAH, SO THERE'S NONE OF THAT. >> I CLICKED THE BUTTON. Don't ask me again

[40:35] >> [laughter] >> And like I have I haven't even changed my background on my laptop, let alone like anything else. Like I've done I've done nothing. Um my [snorts] desktop I've done more

[40:47] tinkering with, but my yeah, my laptop I've done nothing. I'm very happy with >> WOULD YOU LIKE TO SIGN in to just this application OR SYSTEM-WIDE? JUST THIS [screaming] APPLICATION! HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL YOU? Every

[41:01] system-wide. >> like to sign in TO MS PAINT? NO! >> EVER. OH, DUDE. DUDE, oh man, sorry. I'm going off. I'm >> It's Linus' turn. >> I got an email I got an email earlier

[41:16] >> I got an email I got an email earlier this week from SwiftKey, okay? From SwiftKey. And I'm going to show this to you, because this They bought it. This bur- This killed my brain, okay? So, first of all, first of

[41:29] all, I'm mad, because they are they're cramming OneDrive so far down my throat >> [laughter] >> From Microsoft, "We are writing to let you know that SwiftKey [snorts] accounts will be retired as of the 31st of May

[41:43] To ensure a smoother, more secure experience, we'll be transitioning to standard Microsoft account sign-in for all users. Why this change? Well, it's better." Sure.

[41:59] No, it isn't. Blah, blah, blah, your typing data will be more securely stored in you guessed it, OneDrive. privacy, blah, blah. You got 1,000 Microsoft reward points, whatever those

[42:11] It simplifies your experience by using the same credentials you already use for other Microsoft apps and services. Fair enough. I have a Microsoft account, so sure. Fundamentally, this doesn't make a difference to me.

[42:27] If it worked. Okay, what does this mean for you? If you already use Microsoft to backed up to OneDrive as soon as it's ready. No further action is needed. Okay, first of all, Microsoft, I mean, you have my account. You emailed

[42:41] me. So, you clearly know how I sign in. Do I use a Microsoft account? I don't know. You tell me. I probably haven't signed in to SwiftKey >> That's just for starters. Hold on. If you signed in with a different

[42:55] account, e.g., Google or Apple, you'll need to connect a Microsoft account to don't have an existing Microsoft account, you can easily create one with the same link below. Okay, fair enough.

[43:08] the same link below. Okay, fair enough. Connect your Microsoft account now. Connect your Microsoft account now. Oh my god, this works on mobile. a whole rant because I did it on desktop.

[43:23] Here, I'm going to show I got I have Okay, now I have to show you this. To show I'm not crazy. Yeah, I mean, it does It is a mobile application, but it's an email. So, like So, I opened it on my laptop. One

[43:35] >> SwiftKey. [clears throat] Okay, this is This is crazy. here. Connect your Microsoft account now.

[43:52] dumps me on the SwiftKey homepage. It doesn't take me to the account. Hold on. use my Linux super power super granular screen brightness here. Okay, it just dumped me on the SwiftKey homepage.

[44:05] There is nothing on here about anything to do with account migration. Nothing. There's a link to the Google Play Store, view supported languages. Luke, back me >> Oh, yeah, for sure. Back me up on this, okay? Here's my You're going to You're

[44:18] just so just so I can prove no tomfoolery. Here's the same email. I'm do it. >> I watched it the first time. Yeah, yeah, >> Here's the page. Yeah. Okay? Yeah, yeah. So, okay. I Okay, so because I use

[44:32] Google to sign in. And so, I I went and I signed in to my SwiftKey account also on my laptop because I happened to be on my laptop when I got the email. There was nothing in there about where the data was stored cuz I was pretty sure I

[44:46] nothing in there. >> You probably would have >> So, the only way to access this flow is to happen to open it on mobile. to happen to open it on mobile. That's crazy.

[45:02] >> MRO Mutt says, "Thanks for making me feel normal about this whole SwiftKey thing." That's crazy. to the

[45:15] The Why Why would you send me to just your home page if I open it on desktop or a laptop? The You're You're Microsoft. You know about laptops. All right. Okay, I'm marking I'm marking

[45:28] this later cuz I actually would strongly prefer not to lose my my dictionary. SwiftKey is a significant part of my stickiness on Android. Yeah. Um because

[45:40] on iOS it sucks and I've never actually verified this, but I assume it's due to Apple's better privacy Probably. around third-party apps and being able to monitor what you type, right? Um but for better or for worse, I've used SwiftKey

[45:55] for like 10 years now and it has an extensive dictionary of everything that I need to talk about, which includes a lot of tech terms. And I care about my >> Efficiency, yeah. you know, the same ducking Sorry, I said ducking so I

[46:09] same [laughter] ducking thing a million times. And so having a dictionary that really works is is really important to would I would really like to keep my SwiftKey library. So, yeah, I'm going to

[46:22] were we talking about? I don't remember. >> Linux stuff in general. I I I I think challenge is going. I I realized, I think it was yesterday, that I should ask, like, "Oh, when is the Linux challenge over?"

[46:37] when last time, I'm pretty sure we were getting like weekly updates and all talking together about like when we were allowed to go back. Um and I thought it been a lot of chatter. And with how it's been being filmed,

[46:52] for like a while longer. Yeah. >> Um and I'm totally fine with that. I think the only thing drawing me back right now >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> I really liked Forza Horizon 5. I didn't

[47:07] a honestly a lot of fun with Forza Horizon 5. It's a great game. And Forza Horizon 5. It's a great game. And Forza Horizon 6 is coming on May 19th. But I genuinely with with the experience that I had very recently of using someone

[47:20] think I might dual boot and just treat it like turning on a console. Right. I'll dual boot, play Horizon, when I'm done just boot back into Linux. Do you think it'll work on Wine 11? No. Ah, I'm pretty anti-dual boot. I I

[47:36] >> I don't like it either. >> It's like uh >> is supported on Linux? Really? >> Horizon 5 is gold, apparently. I just looked it up on ProtonDB while you were talking about it. Wow. Yeah.

[47:51] I didn't expect that. I mean, I didn't expect it because of the multiplayer. Mhm. That was my guess. Is cheating a major issue in Forza Horizon? I don't I don't think I ever played online. I don't care at all. It

[48:05] to play. So like even if you just like can't play multiplayer or whatever, that care. Um Okay, chat says it has a stupid amount of cheating. Okay. Yeah, I mean I'm not too surprised.

[48:20] Uh yeah, like Didn't didn't uh Valve just ban a million accounts? Is that I didn't see that in the doc. I didn't see that this week. And >> Yeah, that's wild. >> accounts. They're all playing CS. Yeah,

[48:32] Counter-Strike 2. 960,000 accounts. Like cheaters are just >> It's crazy. >> Is the first thing I was about to say when I when I read out that chat that yeah, cheating's everywhere in Forza

[48:47] who would want to cheat in a racing game? like I could apply that exact same logic. Who would want to cheat in a in a strategy game? You know, wouldn't that just defeat the entire purpose of

[49:01] >> [laughter] >> Right, yeah, well, suppose. It's not just Okay, so someone pointed get weekly case drops. Yeah, I heard that was a thing. There's a video I saw

[49:15] a spectator. >> Yeah. And all the bots detected that could see their gameplay, and they just all disconnected at the same time, and it was like a massive percentage of the lobby just all auto disconnected.

[49:29] But I've also heard that like people in ranked games will just like openly on the mic ask each other if they're like cheating, and if if like four out of five of the players are cheating, they'll just vote

[49:42] players are cheating, they'll just vote kick the fifth one. could have been staged and acted out, but yeah, it's like way too much. But yeah, the Forza Horizon 5 the single

[49:56] additional add-ons are really cool. They collaborated with Donut. And there's like a Donut Media little like mini challenge thing in it, which like build up a car and blah blah blah blah blah. It was It was awesome. So,

[50:10] if if it has a gold rating, maybe I'll just wait. And then play it on Linux anyways. I don't need to play on release day. I "Real racers and real race cars are cheating, too, you know. Mercedes this

[50:23] year in their F1 engine is probably illegal." Okay, that one I understand. That's like as far as my understanding goes, it's part of the fun of F1 is they work around the rules and then adapting year to year. That's like I A

[50:37] bunch of people that I know that watch watch it because they find the technological engineering side of it to be more interesting than anything else. I don't know. All right. Why don't we jump into another topic here?

[50:52] >> [snorts] >> Maybe we should do a short one here. Sure. Uh this is just more of an FYI than anything else. Ubiquiti has patched three significant flaws in their software and firmware, including a path

[51:05] traversal vulnerability found in version 10.1.85 and earlier of the UniFi Network Application, aka UniFi Controller, and UniFi Express version 9.0.114 and earlier. Uh see the security

[51:19] advisory for details and patch as soon as possible. Uh very, very important because that's uh that's really bad. It can allow account takeover. So, patch all your UniFi stuff. Please, please, please, please, please. And the source

[51:33] here is Ubiquiti. Here's the advisory bulletin. You're going to want to Let more people than this need to see it and make sure that they act on this. This is very, very important. Network infrastructure

[51:45] not to be taken lightly as far as security goes. I'm doing it right now. >> Only for your like home stuff. Okay, good. Yeah, I was like, this is No, no, good. Yeah, I was like, this is No, no, no. No, I don't do that anymore. No.

[51:59] On the subject >> On the subject Had to intervene there. On the subject of networking infrastructure and security routers [laughter] are illegal in America now. Okay, that's a bit of a

[52:14] sensational headline, but it's also not that far off. >> An FCC policy update earlier this week effectively bans the sale of consumer-grade routers that are not made in the US, which as far as we can tell

[52:29] is pretty much all of them except some percentage of Starlink routers, unless they have already received FCC Which I think is going to be a lot of them. Which is which is all of them.

[52:41] And so this is kind of like the drone thing. Remember when they banned all non-US-made drones and but then all the ones that are for sale now are fine? Honestly, to me this kind of rhymes with

[52:54] China banning battery banks that aren't made in China. like that. >> Oh, no, no, no, it's a particular certification. Yeah, that's not made in China. That's

[53:07] But as far as my understanding goes, it's China. Uh well, I mean, most battery banks are made in China. Uh but like say hypothetically >> CCS? Um

[53:21] say hypothetically No, it's triple C, I believe. Say hypothetically we were to make a battery bank. You could get it certified for that. >> And let's say our cells were made in hypothetically, you know, Korea or you

[53:33] >> Sure. And our PCBs were made, you know, wherever and you know, whatever, right? Stuff, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um We could totally just do CCC that. Does is are there certification houses outside

[53:49] of China that do that certification? >> No idea, but finding a certification >> It's pretty simple. They've got to be all over the place. Yeah. Yeah, that's not a big deal. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh okay, there is a little bit more to talk

[54:02] through on this one. It's not clear exactly what constitutes consumer grade, but foreign made appears to be anything physically manufactured outside the US is based in. This policy change comes after the

[54:15] commission received a national security determination, which states that vulnerabilities in foreign made small and home office routers represent unacceptable risk to Americans. An FCC fact sheet clarifies that the update

[54:28] does not prohibit the import, sale, or use of any existing device models that the FCC previously authorized. All new models will need to be approved by DOW of DHS. Or oh or DHS, I think that probably

[54:42] means. I'm going to go with or. Boop, there. The FCC notice also offers some details on how companies can can can obtain conditional approval with exactly zero questions about security, but it must include a detailed time

[54:57] bound plan for onshoring manufacturing to the US. and ASUS expressed confidence in the security of their respective supply indication that they would move any manufacturing capacity to the US for

[55:12] consumer routers. >> You want some real expensive routers? Um Yeah, I mean, is that our conversation our our discussion topic for this one? There's some like uh

[55:24] hmm I don't know how I'd find this. Uh Serve the Home had a video on it. Or what was it Serve the Home Serve the Home was on Geerling's channel, I think, um talking about a like really cool looking I'm

[55:38] pretty sure it was a router, but it was very expensive. I mean it yeah, ServeTheHome's talking about it, it's probably expensive. about it, it's probably expensive. >> [laughter]

[55:50] covers and things that are very expensive. Perfect circle, completely Yeah. >> And he does a lot of commercial job. Well, he was on Gearlinks channel and

[56:03] stuff. Ooh, yeah. >> Gearlinks also sometimes covers some >> He does and I think this is 600 bucks and it's probably 600 bucks American. Like oh, real dollars. A lot of dollars. Yeah, I think it was this video. Oop.

[56:18] that out at some point? Thank you. >> usually watch YouTube with ads. They're Where where is it? It's not that one. It's what's in his hand right there. >> I love Patrick's shirt. Nice. I love that they're both just like

[56:31] solid color, white text. Nice. Uh but yeah, it's it's a pretty cool looking little thing. looking little thing. This one.

[56:45] >> I've heard of this thing. Monorouter, specifically dev kit model. Yeah, I made in the US, but it's it again, it's 600 US dollars. Final price of the kit Woo. I think I've heard of this. Sorry, what's it called? Mono?

[57:00] Not made in the US. Oh, it's made in the EU. Okay. EU. Okay. Well, little device. Maybe check that out. What do you want,

[57:13] Sammy? Bye. Bye. Bye, Sammy. Czech Republic. Oh, these guys reached out at me out to me at some point. Oh, well. Did I not reply to them? I think I meant to. Well,

[57:27] meant to. Well, oops. video they sent me that was about like the development of this thing. If it's the one that I'm thinking of, we raised $500,000 to manufacture our high-end

[57:41] it for sure. I don't even know what his name is. Yeah, that's that's super cool. I totally I did not mean to ghost these marked the email as read. I wasn't trying to set you up for that. I had no

[57:53] Yeah, that's I mean I I think everyone misses an email from time to time. >> Yeah, sure. Um but yeah, wow, yeah, good for them. That's fantastic. They're they're across the line now. Well, it is I mean it is

[58:07] fantastic, but also I'm pretty sure if you go to his like his actual YouTube channel. Okay, Tomasz, right? And then what's his on one second. >> All good.

[58:31] zero dollars. >> Yeah. >> [laughter] >> I don't know. >> I don't know. Um

[58:45] Um I Ah, dude, and then there was the recent thing where Derbauer got recent thing where Derbauer got completely over on some not copper Yeah, um >> It it's so funny because every time we

[59:00] "It took us 3 years to make a screwdriver. Ask me why." You know, "It we took 3 years to make a 4 years or however long it took to make the cables. Why is that?" Uh people there there will inevitably be like a

[59:16] that are like, "Yeah, it's because you guys are so incompetent and blah blah." Dude, creating anything is so hard, and I creating anything is so hard, and I think that it has fundamentally altered

[59:31] think that it has fundamentally altered my perspective to move from from selling like being a merchant to reviewing and to actually making to to to to to being

[59:46] responsible for everything from the initial funding to the final delivery the final quality of the delivered product. the delivered product. It's so much harder and it makes it it's

[59:59] it's given me I think at at times a perspective that people have found Um where I'm and it can come across I think a little and it can come across I think a little bit bootlicking where I'm like yeah but

[1:00:14] I I get it. I see their side. I see their I see their side. I see their perspective because I mean here let's bring up something really uncomfortable. ModMat

[1:00:26] >> Oh you're publicly talking about it. >> is the ModMat? Where is the ModMat? Where is it? Where is it Linus? Where is it? I don't I know nothing about it. I know it doesn't exist. What it where it is

[1:00:41] is it is figuratively in a space that illustrates the challenges of creating physical products. >> [laughter] >> That's where it is right now. Right now.

[1:00:53] >> It's releasing on April 1st. Ah no no it isn't. It totally is. Sure. >> [laughter] >> April 1st joke is that it's a joke that

[1:01:06] So >> didn't say which year. >> didn't say which year. Jesus.

[1:01:21] >> Apparently not made in the States. So, totally irrelevant to the conversation, luck. It's funny how a lot of people will assume that States. Like I saw we we had a video

[1:01:34] not in the dock. ARM whole video about that earlier this week. You You should go watch it because ARM instead of just licensing IP or providing sort of pre-fabbed

[1:01:51] um you know, ready for you to integrate into your own silicon sort of IP Uh core designs, what do they call them? CCS or something? C Whatever the I forget forget what they call them, but basically these like kind of

[1:02:04] their processing cores that you can, you know, couple together your own processor out of. Instead of just doing that, they actually are going to be directly selling ARM-branded silicon in the in the data center now uh specifically for

[1:02:19] AI. To their credit, what they're after is making AI way more efficient, which is like if we're going to have AI, it being more efficient seems like

[1:02:33] Um but anyway, where was I? Where was I going with this? Right. Uh I saw a bunch now we have like, you know, America-made, you know, an American CPU something something something." It's like, "Bro, like Acorn started in in

[1:02:49] talking about? It's not an American company. >> [laughter] >> I'm like What about Intel and Qualcomm? Okay, so hold on a second. This was something that I I looked up like three

[1:03:02] times to make sure that I had it right. IIIRFTW says, hasn't made their own chips since the BBC Micro." So, ARM got up on stage and we're an ARM chip." And I kind of went, "Well, that doesn't sound right."

[1:03:17] like what you guys did the first, you know, time. And there's that famous story of how the arm chip was so efficient that they powered it off and just like there was enough power in the signal lines or something

[1:03:31] that it would like stayed powered on for a long time or something, and they came still outputting or something. Yeah, it's crazy crazy efficient chip. But that was made by Acorn. That was before they became arm, uh which happened I

[1:03:46] something like that. So this is >> the Acorn name. This is the first actual arm CPU.

[1:03:58] that video. Yeah. Yeah, it did okay. It did okay. I mean, it it's the video form of like a press release. Like I can't benchmark it. Um this this has major

[1:04:11] major implications for the tech industry. It was very interesting to me being at the event and seeing arm stock drop during the keynote. And I was like, >> Really? "What?

[1:04:25] I don't understand this. Why is it dropping? This actually seems huge." >> [snorts] >> And then now we're [laughter] >> And then now we're [laughter] we're back

[1:04:40] >> Everything's just based on uh whatever's more entertaining, I >> Ebalurid says, "This happens to Apple stock every keynote, too. Really? So is this just like is this like a high-frequency machine trading thing

[1:04:54] that's just like the play? You know, you I I Stocks are based on vibes. Yeah, I get it. And not advice. Like not advice, it. And not advice. Like not advice, guys. I This is not financial advice. Um

[1:05:07] but I I think it's a pretty exciting opportunity. I don't love the way that they were so focused on its application for AI in the product announcement because you're when you tie your cart to that

[1:05:23] horse, you kind of live and die by it and and when you look at the implementations of arms cores that are have already made their way like you can you can rent an

[1:05:36] arm instance from Amazon right now. Like you can go right now and you can get a graviton instance and you can like use arm data center processors right the second. Um and they they don't have to be for AI.

[1:05:49] Um and so I would have liked to see them talk a little bit more about what else these CPUs can do because I'm sure they can do other stuff. Um but I also understand why in the current climate with so much build out happening

[1:06:03] around AI um why why they focused on it. It's just I wish they had I wish they'd talked about oh and also all this other stuff that's legacy stuff some point in the future. We can do that, too.

[1:06:22] sponsored by arm. Our trip down was sponsored by arm. So take that for for what it is, but I'm they're I'm not sponsored here and they're not going to Yeah, I'm saying whatever. Nice. Nice.

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[1:09:31] I WAS ON THAT ONE FIRST. Which one was your first one? THAT ONE. NO! [laughter]

[1:09:43] [laughter] in landmark social media addiction trial. Two landmark rulings against social media companies happened this week. Tuesday, a New Mexico jury this week. Tuesday, a New Mexico jury ordered Meta to pay $375 million

[1:09:56] for misleading parents about the safety of Facebook, Instagram, and WhatsApp. Then on Wednesday, an LA jury found Meta and YouTube negligent for harming kids through addictive platform design. Awarding the plaintiff in the case $3

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[1:10:23] uh like the newspaper? Yeah. Uh okay, cool. To investigate investigative journalism, let's go. To investigate the risks that children are exposed to on Instagram and Facebook. Internal documents and testimony from former

[1:10:36] employees show Meta repeatedly ignored warnings about child safety. >> [laughter] >> No one would have ever guessed. The New Mexico Oh, nope, sorry. Law enforcement

[1:10:48] also testified that Meta's crime reporting was deficient because Meta relied too heavily on AI moderation, generating high volumes of junk reports that made investigations practically impossible. Surprise, surprise again.

[1:11:01] During that trial, Zuckerberg and Instagram lead or sorry, Instagram head Adam Mosseri testified that that harms to children were inevitable on their platform due to their massive

[1:11:15] user bases. Huh, okay. Um cool. The $375 million penalty, $5,000 per violation with 25,000 violations, is substantial but is less than 1/5 of what

[1:11:29] the prosecutors initially sought. Though further restitution might be ordered as the case moves to a bench trial in May where a judge will rule on public nuisance claims that could see Meta being forced to change how its

[1:11:43] >> Interesting. >> Uh the LA case was a 7-week trial brought by a 20-year-old woman okay. Uh sure. Uh I think at the point it's just that she's young and pretty much is at an age now where she

[1:11:59] >> Got it. Okay, okay. >> that's the only reason we're mentioning >> Sure. Um her argument was that Meta and platforms with features like infinite scroll, that's

[1:12:13] kind of the primary one. Uh auto play which kind of ties into infinite scroll. that infinitely scroll but you have to press the play button. Uh and push notifications that exploit dopamine responses to keep kids hooked.

[1:12:26] The plaintiff's lawyers focused on the app's design rather than their content which I actually personally completely agree with which is what allowed them to get around section 230. Uh I think any app that infinitely

[1:12:38] scrolls you should be looking at critically. Um anyways, Meta's defense tried to argue her struggles Meta's defense tried to argue that her struggles were caused by other factors, a difficult family life, bullying at

[1:12:53] Um they pointed out Yeah. Uh they pointed out >> is Floatplane. Yeah. I think you should scrutinize why it of the platform. And I think the end

[1:13:06] >> Yeah. I think the end result of scrutinizing that on Floatplane is uh it doesn't really actually do anything, uh which is fine. And then I think you Instagram and be like oh wow, this is

[1:13:19] >> saying no, I I think you should scrutinize it though. And I have had Floatplane does that. But I In my case, I think it's fine. Not infinite, that's an end. But I think it's

[1:13:33] I think it's long enough category still. >> Yeah, and I managed to scroll through so enough that it's not a great infinite

[1:13:45] >> Yeah. >> It's Yeah, it's it's Yeah, it's like the platform's really not designed for that type of infinite scrolling like Twitter, YouTube, Instagram, etc., Facebook, etc.

[1:13:58] are all designed to really like that is what they're for and they're designed to play everything and all that kind of stuff. Floatplane is really not like >> Sorry, carry on. >> DEFEND THIS FOREVER. ANYWAYS, OKAY.

[1:14:12] >> [laughter] >> Meta's defense caused by other factors. A difficult family life, bullying at school. They also pointed out that notes from 6 months of therapy didn't mention social

[1:14:25] media addiction or name any apps. >> Imagine going after someone that way. Imagine someone saying, "Hey, your product damaged me." And you being like, "Yo, y'all broken cuz your family sucks and

[1:14:40] >> And our platform was just we just uh took advantage of that. >> Couldn't help noticing that you had 6 months of therapy. How did they get the notes? Dude, I don't know. Like did did she put

[1:14:53] >> I guess. They could ask for something like that, maybe. >> crazy but to me that >> to me. I mean I I've I've never I've never >> No idea. Look, there's a I am not a

[1:15:07] >> No idea. Look, there's a I am not a litigious person. You know, if I'm ever I want to make it clear that if I'm ever pushed to past the limit like I Yeah, I'll I'll I'll I'll do it but I really don't want to and I've managed to be in

[1:15:19] this industry for this long without ending up in a courtroom. I'd like to keep it that way. Um what what was I going to say here? It was uh Yeah, so I don't so I don't know

[1:15:33] like how this process works but from everything I've heard it sucks. [snorts] >> Yes, you can absolutely get therapy notes. Wow, that's super sketch. >> [laughter] >> No.

[1:15:48] advice. Here, I'm going to sit over here for a second. I tried I freaking hated uh >> That's a story for another time. Maybe >> Yeah. Yeah. [laughter] Uh jurors nearly unanimously sided with

[1:16:03] the plaintiff awarding her $3 million in damages with the jury still deliberating on punitive damages which could significantly increase the payout. >> Yeah, $3 million sounded like just a slap on the wrist but if you um sort of

[1:16:17] look at the bigger picture here there are over 3,000 similar lawsuits pending in California plus more than 40 state attorneys general who have filed against Meta and that $3 million is to one person.

[1:16:39] could be kind of fun. Uh discussion question section 230 has been the bedrock legal defense for social media companies for 30 years. These two juries just rejected it. If that precedent holds up on appeal, what

[1:16:52] like when platforms can be sued for how their algorithm serve content to kids? I think it could look a lot more like it used to look where you friend people and actually posted. >> The internet being cool again would be

[1:17:07] >> It'll be so cool. >> Well, I would I'm a little older now. I would use Facebook. Me too. >> Like the old one. Yeah, me too. I would an active user. And like you can you can go on my Facebook, you can see that even

[1:17:24] when Facebook was >> cool. What? Kind of cool. What are we going to find me. They want ID laws for app stores. Oh, I this is that's that's not what we're talking about.

[1:17:37] >> with you that that sucks, but I think these things are different. Where am I? don't know how to find myself on Facebook. I literally don't know how to use Facebook. This is cute, though. I don't know. This

[1:17:50] is This is from the the LTT channel. Nice. Don't talk to me or my son ever >> [laughter] >> Good job, social media. Anyway, the point is I I like posted not at all, but I'm if I was actually posting to people

[1:18:04] who I actually am connected with and care about, then I I'd probably I'd probably use it just cuz I don't socially interact with those people in person all the time anymore and it's it's easy. It's convenient. It's just

[1:18:16] it's easy. It's convenient. It's just it's so it's so unusable now Yeah. that there's no temptation whatsoever >> Messenger, short-form dopamine abusing garbage trash content is like everywhere now and it's also on Facebook.

[1:18:32] Oh, it's especially on Facebook. had >> go on there to message a family member very recently. Jumped on Facebook on desktop and just like looked around for a sec and

[1:18:45] was just like It's so bad. And if you frequent communities like am I the you'll see you'll start to see the like you'll see you'll start to see the like repurposing and recirculation of like AI

[1:18:58] different twists. And so there'll be a version of it that you notice on where you know, he cheated and then this happened and then this happened and then with my dog and you like you've got these these stories that are just

[1:19:12] designed for you to like keep staying engaged to find out what happens next. And it's it's all Yeah. Except when it isn't, but it seems to be all fake. Yeah, so gross.

[1:19:27] I don't know. The The comments about the age verification for app stores thing, I don't I understand where you're coming from about these things being related

[1:19:41] because this whole thing is algorithms for kids. No, but that Okay, this is same time that have similar topics. >> And I also think that if we are if we're talking about this product being

[1:19:57] designed to be harmful for kids in a way where it's keeping you engaged through intentional like dopamine spikes. It's not a far reach to go, okay, but then is it also designed to be harmful

[1:20:11] >> Yeah. And >> it's harmful to everyone. And and so we could end up with a very good outcome here. You know, in much the same way that you know, marketing is restricted in many territories around products like

[1:20:25] cigarettes, drugs, alcohol. It used to be for gambling. I don't know good thing and then we decided, "Ah, you know what? Forget it. Let's just let it Uh serious skaper is I think their their

[1:20:40] name. It says, "This is walking the internet as we know it." Meaning LTT Actually, neither of those that you named will be liable at all based on the >> Because we don't algorithmically serve content.

[1:20:53] >> Yeah, we don't do it at all. So, I I haven't personally read Section 230, but the notes that we have in the doc here um say specifically that platforms can be sued for how their algorithms serve content to kids. It's not the content

[1:21:07] itself that they're liable for because, yeah, Section 230. They didn't create the content. They can't be responsible for every user-generated piece of content that's uploaded to their sites. But what they can be responsible for is

[1:21:22] But what they can be responsible for is curating it algorithmically to generate curating it algorithmically to generate a stimulus a a stimulus response chemical reaction in your brain that keeps you hooked on it. That's the

[1:21:34] conversation, not the content itself. So, there's not a single platform that we operate that would fall under that. And serious skaper is making a bit of a

[1:21:46] opening the door is the sort of the next thing that they're saying here. And you thing that they're saying here. And you know what? Maybe. I I I personally do not immediately dismiss a slippery slope fallacy argument because there's plenty

[1:22:01] of historical precedent for the slippery slope absolutely being a thing. Where I take issue with your argument, though, is that I don't think that this slope that we're on in this particular ruling leads to repealing Section 230 or

[1:22:19] or significantly revising it. I don't think that anyone in their right mind is going to make a platform responsible for every single individual thing that a user posts because it's not realistic.

[1:22:34] It's just plain not realistic. >> Yeah, algorithmic suggestion is is quite >> Yeah, algorithmic suggestion is is quite different from UGC. needs to change. I I totally understand the whole slippery slope thing and that

[1:22:49] being a concern. I think where we're at now is like extremely toxic and extremely negative for all of humanity that is addressed somehow. I don't know that this is the best way.

[1:23:03] change. >> think Serios Skater might be a little kind of barking down the wrong path a little bit saying literally the ones who want laws to pass that would require ID laws aka surveillance is these giant

[1:23:17] tech companies. And this is the next step. No, no, no, no, no. They want ID laws and all of that. They want more personal information. They oppose this. personal information. They oppose this. They lost this case. This this this

[1:23:30] lawsuit they lost it. This is not the direction they want to go. This is the opposite of what they want right now. Um so this is we're not saying yes, that's this is good because it

[1:23:44] benefits Facebook and Meta and and and Google. That that's not what happened here. What happened is Meta and Google lost Yeah. in a way that is has the potential to make the kind of algorithmic serving of

[1:24:01] content that has become so addictive um that it is doing measurable damage to uh illegal, hopefully, or at least

[1:24:13] >> We we should stop this topic, but I'll throw in one last thing. It says this case came out and said pass KOSA, which is a surveillance law. Yeah, but Right. They can say whatever they want. They could come out and say chicken

[1:24:28] wings are are better than burgers or I prefer hot dogs and waffles suck and I'm a pancakes boy and it wouldn't mean anything. >> Let's talk more good news. >> I understand your point and I think it

[1:24:41] is a a valid concern. Bigger Battle Mage is here. Bigger Battle Mage is here. The Arc Pro B65 and B70 were announced earlier this week and we've got a couple of spec sheets here.

[1:24:57] we've got a couple of spec sheets here. One for the B65 and one for the B70. Let's go ahead and let's go ahead and pull these up. This is so funny. I'm on Intel Arc reading about Intel Arc. Yo dog, I heard

[1:25:10] you like Arc so I put Arc on your Arc so you can Arc while you Arc. [snorts] I don't think they call this Arc anymore, but the joke is that Intel's product specifications website where you could just kind of

[1:25:22] >> Arc. >> Used to be called Intel Arc. All right, so what do we got? What do we got? Microarchitecture XE2 TSMC N5. unless you're like a loyal long-term

[1:25:37] customer you ain't getting no N3. So yeah, Intel probably wouldn't fall under their own GPUs going forward it sounds like. I whatever. So the 65 gets 20 XE cores and the 70

[1:25:52] gets 32. So this is what was probably supposed to be the rumored B770, but the bad part of the news is we're not getting that in a consumer card. The good part of the news here is that

[1:26:08] hey, at least it's coming to to light. So it does exist, which means maybe if the RAM apocalypse, you know, ends reasonably soon we could get it someday or something. And it also means Intel has not abandoned GPUs.

[1:26:24] Everything Intel does that shows that they're still making GPUs is encouraging for me because we must we must not have a monopoly in this we must not have a monopoly in this space. So, either 20 or 32 ray tracing

[1:26:36] units. All right, that's pretty cool. Vector engines 162 56. Oh, wow. So, the the B70 is like a much much beefier card. Oh, yeah. It's a It's a thousand >> Higher clocks. She's She's a She's a big boy. Yeah. PCIE Gen 5 by 16 for both of

[1:26:52] them. And both of them This is pretty cool. Have 256-bit This is pretty cool. Have 256-bit interfaces and 32 gigs of GDDR6 That 32 gigs >> memory. is pretty nice. That is a fat

[1:27:06] >> memory. is pretty nice. That is a fat amount of GDDR memory I think a lot of dual GPU setups. A lot of these are going to end It's uh It's very clear what Intel is trying to do here. Yeah.

[1:27:20] >> They are trying to get home lab people running Arc, optimizing their AI crap for Arc, so that longer term, their data center accelerators are going to have people

[1:27:33] familiar with how to use them. It seems pretty smart. I am not super on top of this stuff. Someone in in chat said is it GDDR6 and I I went to go confirm that it is, but I

[1:27:47] also think that should be. It's real You're really just care about It's real You're really just care about the capacity a lot. I'm pretty sure. workloads that I suspect people are going to be using this for. I want to

[1:28:01] add that caveat before we keep going. Uh it it's Okay. So, we we covered this in a fair bit more uh detail in that video that um Uh, we worked on with uh with Nick Harris from the lab. Yeah, so what was that? That was a H1 H100 card, I

[1:28:16] think it was. Was it H100 or H200? It was It was an like it was an older, uh, data center AI accelerator from Nvidia. And uh, what we what we talked about And uh, what we what we talked about was, okay, like capacity and speed and

[1:28:31] sort of the relationship there. So, for certain AI workloads, the speed actually matters quite a lot. Okay. >> And that's why you have these HBM stacks that are sitting right next to the die. Um, and from my from what I can

[1:28:46] remember, and this is one of those things where I will often go and relearn something so that I can do a video about it. And then if I don't touch it for 6 of the details and then I'll have to like go touch up on it again. But from

[1:28:58] what I can remember, uh, a lot of it is down to training. You want the speed for training. And then when it comes to, uh, when it comes to inference, when it comes to actually using the models, the

[1:29:11] speed of the memory is not quite as important, but the capacity of the memory matters because you have to be able to fit the model into your working memory or else your speed drops off dramatically. So, having faster memory

[1:29:25] might make you a little bit faster for inference, a little bit, here to here because all of a sudden you're swapping out to storage and that's brutal.

[1:29:39] So, yeah, GDDR6 not going to be the end of the world and the fact that it's on a 256-bit bus is going to help. So, total bandwidth that Intel quotes is something in the neighborhood of I think it was 660 GB a second, 608 GB a second, which

[1:29:55] is not industry leading by any stretch of the imagination, but with this much at home, right, where they're not trying to do this at an industrial scale, >> [clears throat] >> it's going to be faster enough for just

[1:30:08] having that capacity. Um that this could be very appealing for home labbers. Yeah, yeah. I want to take think it was in the pre-show we were talking about the expense of live

[1:30:22] streaming. Was that in the pre-show? Uh no, that was in the main show, I >> Either way, I know I I realized I I wanted to do an updated count because I wanted to do an updated count because I saw that, you know, on on YouTube where

[1:30:35] Oh, this is an older Oh boy, where did it go? now. So, we we've kind of like cooked a little bit. WAN Show takes a little bit to get its viewer viewership up. But, I noticed something that was wrong the

[1:30:48] first time I came to the the calculator, um which was I I totaled our viewership between YouTube and Twitch. Mhm. So, I got to 10,800, but then I saw I saw this and I remembered this. Average viewer watch duration 50%.

[1:31:01] currently watching, that is not how that would work. So, if we round it down cuz I know WAN Show takes a little bit to grow its viewership and we just go to 10,000. We hit pretty close to peak after about the first I'm actually just

[1:31:14] looking at it right now. About an hour in, we're pretty close to peak. Yeah. Um and if we change this to So, we go down to 10,000, so we shave off a decent we can also do 90. Which one do you want to do? Uh I wish we could do 75.

[1:31:31] Yeah. Uh let's do 90. Let's do a worst-case scenario because I also think watching. So, >> I did. Yeah. So, we'll round up on the >> a thousand. >> That's crazy. Please tell me we're not

[1:31:44] because we're not all watching on Floatplane, right? We've got Floatplane, right? We've got uh

[1:32:01] Show, really? Okay, so what Luke is trying to say is head on over to lttstore.com. Okay? Oh, sure. And send us send us a checkout message. Just go ahead and, you know, grab one of our new flexible

[1:32:15] magnetic cable management arches. >> worm boys. Yeah. Uh or you can pick sale, uh open-box commuter backpack. Oh. Uh buh

[1:32:31] How do I get to the US store? To the very bottom there, the little Yeah, I URL. Uh okay, well, they're still on the US store. Well, anyway. Uh

[1:32:44] something, send a merch message. Every little bit helps. Don't do that. What? >> Oh, shoot. Balls. Balls. >> [laughter]

[1:33:03] >> [laughter] >> Uh >> do Should we do >> Ow, that hurt. Yeah, that was a >> [laughter] >> Well, that way I'll remember.

[1:33:17] Uh there might be other ways to do that. I've tried all the other ways, Luke. Cat of nine tails. Let's do the Apple Business thing. Apple unveils Apple Business, an all-in-one

[1:33:30] platform to completely replace and consolidate their current offerings. It productivity tools, device management and productivity tools Business will feature built-in mobile device management or MDM using their new

[1:33:46] blueprint system to let admins reconfigure devices with specific apps and security policies. Additionally, it introduces managed Apple accounts with cryptographic separation between personal and work data. Cool.

[1:34:00] Uh apart from IT features, like honestly, as someone who has done IT stuff, get your personal stuff off of >> [laughter] >> off of our things. I don't want to see your bank account publicly shared in a

[1:34:14] >> [laughter] >> It's not I actually specifically want the responsibility of that being even possible.

[1:34:26] Keep it on your own stuff. Anyways, rant over. Uh apart from IT features, Apple Business also adds customer engagement features such as brand profiles, customizable place cards in Apple Maps.

[1:34:38] Oh, neat. Um and tap to pay branding. Apple also announced for their US and Canadian users later this summer that business will be uh able to businesses, maybe, will be able to create search results ads for Apple Maps and a

[1:34:53] suggested places interface. Sure, I don't know. Um out of all the things to make exclusive, ads is a dick. I'm out. Yeah, that's a little odd, but anyways, uh the platform will be freely available starting April 14th in over 200

[1:35:06] This is incredible. Um this plus the MacBook Neo Apple is just >> Apple's coming for your neck if you're a

[1:35:18] huge variety of different companies. >> If you are an educational, if you if you >> If you are an educational, if you if you rely on shifting like huge numbers of books to educational institutions or in a corporate environment,

[1:35:33] Apple sees your pie and they're like, "Hmm, yes. Yes, your pie We can take your and your pie and your pie. I'll have all the pie. I'll just have all of it. Um Yeah. They're cuz already you see so many MacBooks in

[1:35:50] corporate and in education. And that was with sort of previous versions of of of a mishmash of this functionality. Bringing it all together in one easier to manage package, because that that's

[1:36:05] give me reasonable hardware, make it easy for me to manage, and I literally won't even call someone else unless it's just to get a competitive quote to like, you know, keep you accountable. Keep you honest. Um

[1:36:19] Once someone locks in, there's a lot of inertia there. there's a lot of inertia there. But in spite of the inertia of, you know, Chromebooks and Windows, I don't think anybody's thrilled with those

[1:36:31] >> No. And so for Apple to come in and say, "Hey, we can take all of your problems and we can make them go away Also the incredible annoyance of managing them. Oh, it's just free. With that Apple

[1:36:44] we're going to spit shine spit shine that Apple for you. Dude, this is like a game changer. And I've talked extensively about this in the past, but whatever the young'uns grow up using

[1:37:00] >> Yeah. Yeah. has a serious impact on what they're going to want to use when they get older. It's one of the reasons that the piracy of the Adobe suite was such a game changer for Adobe. Um And why as far as I can tell, DaVinci Resolve is

[1:37:12] years. >> Yeah. And I'm not piracy in that case, but just free access to it. Um with hardware with hardware purchase. Uh hardware purchase. Do you still have to buy anything to get DaVinci?

[1:37:26] Dan? >> Yeah, you can get a pro version. Right, But otherwise, DaVinci's just free. We're These guys are such mad lads. And We're These guys are such mad lads. And it's so good. Such mad lads. Um

[1:37:39] Where was I going with this? Right. So, but unlike a Chromebook where there's a lot of friction around continuing to use a Chromebook forever because of just you know app compatibility and it it it's always I

[1:37:51] compatibility and it it it's always I think it will drive me crazy forever. think it will drive me crazy forever. If Google loses this Chromebook thing you guys were Linux. You had an opportunity

[1:38:06] You had an opportunity to embrace the Linuxness of Chrome OS. You decided not to. Yeah. That will always That will be like That will be like a Microsoft phone level like like Intel missing the the

[1:38:22] open AI thing's going to turn out, but like I'm going to say No, I'm going to say Microsoft phone. That will be like a Microsoft phone level colossal up to me to look back on and go if this Chrome OS thing doesn't work out, the

[1:38:37] fact that you guys didn't just embrace >> Dude, yeah. Linux on it and not try to make it just a browser, I'll never get over it. Yeah. Uh but yeah, this is this is crazy. >> Hold on. When Bingo Cronified says they

[1:38:53] enable Linux underlay and app get stuff like VLC and OpenOffice on Chrome OS via Linux. Trivially easy, but it should just They should be promoting it is what between allowing it

[1:39:08] allowing it and pushing it and contributing to it like what Valve is doing. Google should have been doing what Valve is doing. have been doing what Valve is doing. Like really making Chrome OS a Linux

[1:39:21] >> The biggest push for Linux in recent history was the Steam Deck and still is the Steam Deck. Yeah. Like if you look on ProtonDB, tons of the comments are Steam Deck based. Yeah. Because there's so freaking many

[1:39:37] Yeah. Because there's so freaking many of them out there. going to say something about the Apple platform or were we done? it probably didn't matter much. What, the Apple platform? I think it's

[1:39:50] really important. Uh He doesn't know. He doesn't know. Mac OS is Unix-based, which is interesting. Um I think as well, just like another competitor in that space, I think it's actually really good. Um

[1:40:05] I'm very frustrated with all of the current offerings. I think they just kind of suck. Had a conversation recently about our setup because we're trying to figure out moving off some of them to save money

[1:40:18] which sucks. Um and the the conversation was something about like basically, I don't know, uh email Help me. >> Yeah. Yeah. We're trying to reduce that.

[1:40:32] everywhere, and the reason why email sucks everywhere is because the basic functionality of email has been fine for a long time, and search is bad >> just like, "K, whatever." And then you get to messaging. And it's like, "Okay,

[1:40:46] well, the messaging options are either really bad or too expensive for what >> Dude, I searched for the word patent in my Gmail inbox the other day because um our wonderful boss asked me to find out if I had ever corresponded on something

[1:41:02] to do with a patent with someone. And I searched for it. results out of order?" And it turns out it defaulted to relevancy, which I decide what's relevant. I'm What are you talking about? I want So

[1:41:18] scrolling. And I all of a sudden I come to something that's from very recent. And I So I realize it's not chronological. I'm like, Sure, if you want to have like a here's the three or four that I think are the

[1:41:30] top, yeah, that's fine. But by the time I'm sorting By By time I've scrolled infinitely, you know, through three pages of results or whatever, obviously you didn't get it. Also, like

[1:41:43] >> to me in chronological order, obviously. >> If I do a super vague search term, like >> I'll get Maybe just give me the most recent one, >> Oh, it never does though. >> one from three years ago. I'll do like I

[1:41:57] don't know, flight San Francisco. And it'll be like, "Ah, yes. I do understand that you have a flight to San Francisco in three days, but I'm going to give you your ticket from seven years ago. Hope you wanted that." It's just

[1:42:10] like, "What? Bro, come on." Um so, like yeah, basically nobody cares about email cuz it's just sort of all junk. Um nobody cares that much about chat because it's like, "Do I care enough about how much better Slack is to pay

[1:42:24] more for it compared to Teams?" I don't know, maybe. Developers kind of do, but Um so, most of it just kind of gets we've ran into is like, "Wow, OneDrive is a fantastic piece of

[1:42:39] while Google Drive might be kind of neat, Google Workspace bundling their AI it so expensive. >> Oh, dude, I was trying to What was I trying to do the other day? I I was try Oh, I was trying to write an

[1:42:54] email. Um hold on. Let me see if I can find >> I believe if you you can get it out now, where they kind of forced AI junk to be included with their subscription.

[1:43:06] >> No, it was it was doing a bunch of like like kind of like a spell check or grammar check, like squiggle under the words in my email. And I in 10 seconds >> didn't spend that much time. I couldn't figure out how to turn it off, and it

[1:43:20] changes to me, and I'm like, "No, it's an irate email, and it's it has an irate tone intentionally." Um I I was so annoyed, and I I'd have to

[1:43:32] I'd have to go and actually like type an email right now to get it to try to do sent last night and I'll put it in >> But yeah, the the biggest hurdle that we're running into is one moving off of a chat system that you're currently

[1:43:45] using onto another one is definitely possible no matter where you go, but there is a lot of like resetting up group chats and resetting up channels you'll definitely lose some productivity in the switch. So it needs to be worth

[1:43:58] on the thing. Okay, sounds good. We can figure that out. Um but the last one is just drive. Um trying to get out of Google Drive to Um trying to get out of Google Drive to something else um

[1:44:11] is proving a little daunting if we do want Should we Should we talk about Should we Dan? It's not doing it right now, so I don't I don't exactly know why. But this

[1:44:24] is funny. Have I told the story about the conversation I had with um someone recently? Where one of the things that um I've started feeling tempted to do is to typo something on purpose in my

[1:44:38] by a human. So I said I sent her an email. Super time checking out the blank. Uh still under NDA. Uh my only more of it. Looking forward to working together closely going forward. Here's a

[1:44:54] typo to prove I wrote this instead of delegating it to AI. So I've officially done it once now. >> [laughter] Uh try ownCloud. We're We're trying a few different things. The The primary

[1:45:08] one where we've set up locally right now is Nextcloud just to play around with >> out to us like all the time. Quite frequently. Okay, yeah, that is the one. Hey. Hey, you you know what they say. Uh

[1:45:24] if you don't get a date the first 500 times, you should definitely ask again. them. >> that's not advice. Yeah, don't do that. >> [laughter] >> Not legal advice. Don't do that.

[1:45:37] >> But that's harassment. So, we're we're looking into that. And Sebastian posted in Floatplane chat and said, good. It's unfortunate." I think the things that Google Drive is really good

[1:45:50] at are honestly getting worse. I think its search is so abysmal that it's actually genuinely difficult to use at this point. Yeah, like why is it that

[1:46:02] this wrong cuz I know I've had issues sometimes like searching for a doc when I'm in Google Drive or like searching for a file when I'm in Google Docs. Like they don't seem to be able to decide whether they're just one platform or

[1:46:16] whether they're like separate platforms. >> Yeah. And I can never quite remember the rules of which things work across which other things. >> It's very weird. Um so, I'm not going to get into anything specific right now.

[1:46:28] Someone brought up Proton's platform. I honestly didn't consider that one. Um Yeah. It's an interesting idea.

[1:46:40] launch. Yeah, how is it? >> The primary thing that we need from their like Drive is their collaborative stuff because I will never be able to pry Excel even

[1:46:53] out of the cold dead hands of many people at the office. It It still hands. So, there's going to be desktop app apps required for from Microsoft amount of people. But outside of that, we need highly collaborative documents

[1:47:09] both in sheet form and document form and form form. Oh, Google Forms is actually kind of good at Yeah, we seemed to be in a competition for years about can we find ways to buy Google Forms in other ways

[1:47:25] Google Forms? And I don't know why, but we seem to be mostly done doing that >> Sorry, buy them in other ways? >> Yeah, just try to find an external company that basically just has Google Forms and then pay for that and then use

[1:47:38] it for things internally. We we did that like a lot. There was there was a lot of that going on. But don't we just use Google Forms though? Oh, no. What? I about right now. >> Uh, I don't know why we paid for Google

[1:47:51] >> like JotForm, someone someone in chat guessed it. I think JotForm was like a bunch of things internally. >> But we do use Google Forms for a lot. all-hands and it was >> we also paid for JotForm. And we also

[1:48:06] paid for I think one or two other things that are basically just Google Forms. >> you were saying this was a strategy we were pursuing. like it was. Yeah. Yeah, well, man, there's been a

[1:48:20] where someone has like a particular snowflake tool that they want to use and just do this in a spreadsheet?" Yeah. Um, I mean, I was always just like, do this in a spreadsheet with a some

[1:48:34] >> It turns out Google Sheets is like really powerful. No, it's not Excel. Don't shoot me. But it is very powerful. Yeah, it's funny too. If you look at the like Microsoft Office, um,

[1:48:48] let me try to find this. I was poking around Microsoft Office subscriptions of funky. Um, you can just buy Excel. Like non-subscription. Really? It's like kind of hard to find it. Um,

[1:49:03] buy Excel. That's actually pretty cool. Yeah. Yeah, Boink. 170 bucks. >> Oh, well, I would do that. You can just >> PC or Mac. Turn data into useful insights. Can you imagine if it was your

[1:49:18] job to write the marketing blurb for Microsoft Excel? Hold on, what else they Spread Share your spreadsheet with others and edit together in real time. Files must be shared from OneDrive. Compatible with Windows 11, Windows 10,

[1:49:30] Compatible with Windows 11, Windows 10, or macOS. Wow! Thanks, Microsoft. Requirements. Additional system requirements. Internet access, Microsoft account. Oh, you >> [laughter]

[1:49:44] actually. I didn't realize you could actually just do that. Um so that was that was fascinating. They're making the support period for standalone apps super short compared to what it used to be to encourage Microsoft 365 sales. That

[1:49:57] makes sense. Uh but even even if you look at their subscriptions, I was kind of poking into this. So we need So yeah, you have plans And your nice cheap one is eight bucks. Mhm. Um but this one, you can tell what

[1:50:14] they they you can tell they know about Excel. That was the most interesting thing for me to discover. Cuz this the cheap one, the $8.10 one, only includes the web and mobile versions of Excel. So you can't get the desktop version. And I

[1:50:28] Taran. I was talking to Taran about how I think it's interesting that through their subscription models they self-incentivize they self-incentivize not making their web versions good.

[1:50:40] Mhm. Which I find so funny because >> perverse incentives. Like it's something you find like fascinating. >> very fascinating to me, I guess. Um but like yeah, because the jump to get the

[1:50:53] It's literally double. >> And I noticed that if you go for I think have to find it so we don't necessarily have to share yet. Oh, no, here it is. Just Microsoft 36 Oh, what the freak? Uh just Microsoft 365 apps for business,

[1:51:10] more expensive. >> [laughter] internally that people really just need desktop Excel cuz it's so much better

[1:51:24] than everything else. And they they must have it. strong incentive to not make the web version good because the web version is right next to that with more other features at like half the price. Yeah.

[1:51:40] everything else. >> Microsoft is like the the Facebook got. >> Yeah. But only with Microsoft Excel, everything else is just like how can we try to make this Excel

[1:51:56] bouquet look compel more compelling than the other Excel bouquet? Yeah. Yeah, it's it's it's that was wild to me cuz I'm I'm basically trying to there's a lot of like what happens if we go down X or Y path? It's like, do we

[1:52:11] stick with just Microsoft? Do we stick with just Google? Do we go with some hybrid we have now? Do we use Apple numbers? >> Do we do something weird like that? And one of the static

[1:52:24] for certain people. Yeah. It's not a crazy amount of the company, but it is >> people, some of the people who work in like logistics and planning and like >> They just need more powerful sheets. Yeah. Um so, sounds good and it just

[1:52:38] turns out yeah, I mean it might just be 11.70 a month to get uh Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Outlook and they will open one of those apps. they will open one of those apps. [laughter]

[1:52:51] Maybe. Yeah, or PowerPoint. I imagine using PowerPoint these days. I Yeah, I >> just easier. Yeah, to be clear, I'm not saying It's not better. >> is better, but I'm saying for how good a

[1:53:06] >> is better, but I'm saying for how good a slide needs to be Yeah. 98% of people who need to make slides, where no one's really going to look at them, Google Slides is fine. Um yeah, Sifilis says, "I use PowerPoint

[1:53:20] fine. It's It is fine. We're not saying it's bad. We're just saying that for how closely anybody's going to look at a PowerPoint slide, yeah. Yeah. Uh okay. Do you want to move on? Yeah.

[1:53:34] Crimson Desert finally gets support and soon optimization for Intel GPUs after initially locking out Arc cards at launch. This was This was shocking to see how this played out in public. Yes. >> I don't normally see Intel just like

[1:53:49] publicly put someone on blast like that. >> did. And I honestly, I'm here for it. I >> Yep. They're acting hungry, which is what I like about Intel's Arc guys. >> Yeah. Like they're acting They're acting hungry. They're acting scrappy. Do we

[1:54:05] have the original like quote from them somewhere in here? Uh yeah, it's right here. "Over the past several years, we've reached out to Pearl Abyss many times to help test, validate, and optimize support for Intel graphics,

[1:54:18] providing early hardware, drivers, and engineering resources across multiple generations of Intel GPUs." That is an absolute mic drop of a truth bomb after

[1:54:30] can't. Oh, no, we can't." >> Yeah. Uh you know, "Look into the return You put [snorts] all the support on the table, and someone literally says, "If you have this product, look into the return policy for our game because we

[1:54:44] are just uh not interested." That sucks so much. >> That sucks so much. But I am happy that they seem to have pivoted since then. >> Yeah. Yeah, shout out shout out Okay, Crimson Desert devs, shout out

[1:54:58] Intel team for just burying the hatchet and getting things done for the sake of and getting things done for the sake of gamers. Um Um David Gauthier, who says, "It's worth noting Intel's currently approaching 1% market share,

[1:55:11] which sounds really small until you consider that we think of AMD as like, know?" And AMD's at like approximately 7% lower than that right now. >> to say, wherever these numbers are from

[1:55:26] are painting a a better picture than was recently in my head. So, hopefully those >> Nvidia was closer to 95 right now. >> they were, too, but hopefully we're wrong and those numbers are right. Yeah, that would be awesome.

[1:55:39] >> I I I'm going to say again, it would be a sick uh you know, 180 maneuver if if Intel was able to get it nicely optimized and that'll be awesome. Want another good news WAN Show item?

[1:55:52] >> Yes. Uh just a reminder, guys, we are gearing up for good news WAN Show month. Next month, April is going to be all good news WAN Shows. If it's not good news or can't at least be interpreted in a positive way,

[1:56:05] uh maybe we'll have a carve-out for one bad news topic on the WAN Show. That's It's going to have to be important. >> Very important. Critical. Yeah. >> Yeah. Uh so, good news WAN Show is coming next month. We're very excited

[1:56:19] coming next month. We're very excited for it. Also, some other WAN Show news is we are going to be starting the WAN Show transition quite soon. We're moving Show transition quite soon. We're moving from the LTT channel to the LMG Clips

[1:56:32] channel, which is soon to be rebranded as the WAN Show. That is going to start on April 3rd, 2026, and for some period of time, it will stream to both channels simultaneously. Uh that soft transition is going to

[1:56:46] Uh that soft transition is going to continue for some number of months, and in the weeks leading up to the full final transition over to the WAN Show channel, we will be sure to make multiple announcements so nobody gets

[1:56:59] lost trying to find the show. I had a fun idea. Because, you know how people can be resistant to, you know, change.

[1:57:11] You know how they can be. And, you know, there there can be sort of there's there's a friction to, you know, transition, you know, platform transition, even if it's within the same platform.

[1:57:27] simultaneously streaming on both platforms for a really long time? I'm talking like 6 months. But, hear me out. Every week

[1:57:39] the YouTube stream gets reduced by like 50 kilobit per gets reduced by like 50 kilobit per second. [laughter]

[1:57:53] stream. >> I knew what you meant. Yeah, so so the the LMG Clips stream on YouTube would be full full bit rate. explaining it. >> so well, no, because the community will

[1:58:06] self-police at that point. It will make people go, "Hey, what's going on?" And then it will make people discuss it. And then they'll they'll go, "Oh, okay." And >> they can transition over to the other one.

[1:58:19] Interesting. I wonder if I can lower the frame rate as well. Uh I'd say that would be towards the very end. Like where we we start we make it like 10 FPS. What 1 FPS when show would be really funny.

[1:58:31] >> Yeah, and so and so the whole >> too entertaining. the whole conversation of it is just going to be "WTF is going on here? Can't these guys "Dude, they've been talking about this for 6 months. Go watch it over here.

[1:58:46] And so we just we make it like we make it like a meme. And then it can even be, people that you know are going to engage with this like very stubbornly. Like, I'm going to hold out till the end. I will I will literally refuse until the

[1:59:00] on Xbox 360. >> watch at 10 kilobits per second, you know, or whatever. Like, I think I think that something like this would be a really good way to really ease the transition.

[1:59:15] >> one oddly colored pixel will be the only [laughter] thing coming through. Deepfriedaudio? Yeah. Yeah, we could have we could we could go until we um Wait, someone pointed out

[1:59:28] I'm trying to Oh, the like old glitchy ones. >> Oh, actually, I didn't mean that. I meant the like in the intro. Oh. WAN Show's that are all corrupted on YouTube. Uh

[1:59:42] oh, well, okay. That's Hold on. Wait, where are they? Yeah, no, these guys. >> Until we actually look more like these guys than like these guys. You should just AI overlay us, turning us into pixel bros. Someone pointed out

[1:59:55] people will be stubborn in these situations or something. And like, yeah, won't I think it's going to be a combination of people are going to be stubborn and also when we stop streaming on LTT, I think how the algorithm works

[2:00:09] in the like viewers like you watch this thing, therefore I will recommend it even realize they're on a different channel. And and with the slow transition, we'll also give the algorithm a lot of time to learn who

[2:00:22] these overlapping audiences are. So, I'm I'm with the audio. I think we should leave the audio alone. degrade [clears throat] the video

[2:00:36] experience until finally we're down to like, yeah, a couple of pixels kind of barely intel barely even able to make out what you're looking at. And we go, "Hey guys, you may have noticed over the last few

[2:00:49] months that the video quality on you on the LTT channel has been a little on the low side. This is the last WAN Show here. We're moving over to the new WAN Show channel." And this is actually really important because the WAN Show is

[2:01:01] really important because the WAN Show is now officially co-owned by me and Luke 50%. And we have to have it on a separate Intellectual property, corporate ownership, blah blah blah blah blah blah

[2:01:15] blah. For the Floatplane people, I believe the plan right now is that it's It'll just be on the LMG channels. >> Yeah. I think I do think we wanted to talk to Sammy and get it split out into its own sub channel, but that does not

[2:01:28] That would literally actually just we should just do that anyways. Yeah. Uh cuz it's for organizational reasons. >> Yeah. So, it just looks like this. So, on the side you've got Linus Tech Tips and then you've got all

[2:01:40] your various sub channels. Uh so, we would just add a a WAN Show one and then >> Yeah, exactly. Speaking of Floatplane, Sammy has some Floatplane announcements that he wants us to talk about. The Korean Tech Mall video was released very

[2:01:55] to wait till Monday to see that, it is available a a right now. available a a right now. Um and this is this is really how I felt what I've forgotten in Korea's largest tech mall? If you guys are regular WAN

[2:02:11] Show viewers, you'll know that I streamed from South Korea la la la last week? Two weeks ago? Time's a blur. I don't Two weeks ago. least. >> about how I forgot my camera and forgot

[2:02:25] my microphone and forgot any means of setting it up in any ergonomic way. So, I had to go shopping and I wasn't planning to make any videos. And if I'm going to go to a tech

[2:02:39] in a country that I've never made a tech mall video in before, then I guess I might as well point a selfie camera at myself. So, oh, it looks like Well, it this video. Wasn't it Wasn't it Yvonne's idea, too? Yeah, yeah. She was like,

[2:02:53] a video cuz you're going to go shopping anyway." Um it had a really different vibe from a lot of our content because I shot the whole thing myself. Just me and an iPhone

[2:03:05] camera operator. I wasn't >> I I'm I'm realizing like literally this format of you self-filming only really shows up sometimes in like maybe a scrapyard wars or something like that. >> Yeah. It's it's like this is almost

[2:03:19] >> Like this would usually be like some video you would just DM me. Like it's not it's not really like Yeah, not a super common Linus angle on on on the public video platform. >> it's a really it's it's kind of a fun

[2:03:34] video because I I end up finding a lot of like really weird stuff. >> Like there's parts of this place that seem almost abandoned. Um like the amount of just random old systems and e-waste and like

[2:03:50] just vast empty hallways with just like garbage in them and stuff. It's a it's it's kind of a weird video. a weird place. Um anyway, on top of that, I have

[2:04:06] more videos to release for you guys. Wow, look at that. Wow, look at that. Here's a second DankPods video. Second collab with DankPods, boom. Going public, his system got broken on his way

[2:04:19] public, his system got broken on his way to Whale Land because Wade apparently has never seen the classic Linus Tech Tips episode how to pack your PC.

[2:04:34] What Who Who's this guy? Who's this guy? How to pack your PC 40 There it is. Okay, well, maybe we should have had a less click baity title. How to not smash your PC gaming rig packing and moving

[2:04:48] because it had a lot of tech tips that he could have used. His computer got all bashed up. It was making rattling noises when we when I shook it to start the video. Um so, I I helped him fix it and then and then my Linux curse struck.

[2:05:05] So, I fixed his computer in a hardware fashion and then broke it in the software by just being there. >> I heard about that. I [laughter] didn't do anything. I had so many witnesses. Adam witnessed

[2:05:18] it. One of our new camera guys witnessed it. Wade witnessed it. They saw me. I did nothing. I broke his basilite and I'm sorry, but I didn't do anything. >> I was just present. Yeah. Anyway, that's a that's a pretty fun

[2:05:33] video. It's pretty good one. Uh we also have extras from that video. Finally, we made a an alternatives to Discord video giving you guys uh some some ideas for

[2:05:45] other software that you can use now that they've got their um their their ID stuff that they're working on. I'm going to go ahead and make that live now as now on Floatplane. These will all obviously come to YouTube

[2:06:00] >> We're we're a little late on that. Yeah, but it's a it's a good video >> Yeah, it's it's solid. I'm I'm actually really It was one that was done when I I just >> [laughter]

[2:06:14] other day that he he really likes Wendell's thumbnails and Wendell's thumbnails and >> [laughter]

[2:06:27] UM THIS ONE >> [laughter]

[2:06:42] >> [laughter] >> when you actually don't give any how your video performs and you are just doing it for the lols. >> Just for the love of the game, man. I love it. I love it.

[2:06:56] >> I respect it so much. That's so based. What a guy. [laughter] That's so based. What a guy. [laughter] Just cute cube Wendell. All right. Thank you for that.

[2:07:11] Uh I can't tell what's going on right now. Did I release everything that I was supposed to release? I think so. I have the Wade video, the Sorry, I'm like doing actual work right now, so I'm confused. Korean Tech Mall

[2:07:24] in the Discord. Did did I get them all? Yes, okay, I got Awesome. So, three early access videos now So, three early access videos now available at lmg.gg/fpwan.

[2:07:40] >> Tech Tips show? Uh-huh. I guess this is part of like making sure that you get your commissions, Mr. 50% owner of Linus Tech Tips show. Yeah, I know, that's >> It's mostly only only relevant if something fundamentally changes. Yeah.

[2:07:54] [clears throat] now. It's really important to to do it now. Yeah. All right. You know what else is really important to do now is talk about how the Supreme Court in the US has ruled that ISPs, Internet Service

[2:08:10] Providers, are not liable for user piracy on their networks. A lawsuit between record labels and US ISP Cox Communications over an alleged failure

[2:08:22] to deter repeat piracy received a Supreme Court ruling in Cox's favor. I personally am also in favor of Cox.

[2:08:37] They're a really really big company. Um okay, maybe. Well, in this case, in uh I remember actually I actually remember talking about this on LAN show

[2:08:49] like half a decade ago. Like this has been this has been gumming up the works for a long time. Oh, here it is Yeah. The case began in 2018 >> Yeah. when record labels led by Sony and Warner said that Cox received tens of

[2:09:03] thousands of infringement notices identifying repeat violators, but then terminate those accounts. >> Which is weird cuz usually they they usually they send out just such a surge of Cox argued that

[2:09:18] previous rulings against it would force ISPs to act as copyright police, which is actually kind of a fair point. A 2019 jury in Virginia had found Cox liable damages. A billion dollars in damages to my Cox?

[2:09:33] my Cox? Not to my Cox. No. I won't stand for it. The fourth I don't want that kind of torture. threw out the damages and part to determine damages. Cox then asked the Supreme Court to

[2:09:46] intervene. Um yeah, it's hard to really be on the side of big ISPs. >> also wondering if this could be a bad thing cuz would this could this shift attention to users?

[2:09:58] attention to users? Possibly, but then if the ISPs are not liable, then you can guarantee that they're not going to like do the work care and cooperate any more than they like absolutely have to because at the

[2:10:12] end of the day, you don't want to be the ISP that customers start talking about how you get people like sued for piracy. And the whole going after end users thing proved to be so unpopular back in the early 2000s that the record labels

[2:10:29] gave up. Right, yeah. They like there there are yeah, there are artists who there are yeah, there are artists who even still today wear that that cone of shame for for going after individuals

[2:10:43] downloading their songs. Like I just I don't I don't see it happening. Then again, hey, the world keeps finding new ways to be even more dystopian, so no guarantees, but this does seem like

[2:10:57] no guarantees, but this does seem like overall for user pi excuse me, privacy Uh and if you happen to be a pirate, then it also seems like a plus for that as well. Here's a downer. Qualcomm shut the door

[2:11:13] on Snapdragon X DSP headers open sourcing and Linux support hopes seem to be fading. Qualcomm has closed a GitHub issue requesting open source DSP headers for Snapdragon X chips with a blunt no plans for that as of now. Linux can

[2:11:28] still boot on Snapdragon X laptops, but without full DSP headers, full upstream support for things like audio, sensors, and NPU offloading remain out of reach. Interesting move. >> not not in with the current vibe.

[2:11:43] >> Bold move. >> Yeah. This may help explain why Tuxedo canceled its Snapdragon X 1 Elite Linux laptop after 18 months of development, and Canonical still relies on patched packages in a Qualcomm specific

[2:11:55] work-in-progress kernel. I also find it interesting because at their summit that they had, which myself and and Nick and Lucas attended, I would genuinely say the most prevalent topic of question

[2:12:09] we're walking around talking to people and stuff, was based around Linux. There was a lot of people in the audience that were very Linux pills. I think probably and I think Qualcomm recognized this, a higher percentage than probably users.

[2:12:23] >> Well, yeah, because when you're a brand new hardware with, you know, brand new Let Let's Let's face it, especially in the earlier days of Windows on ARM, it was very much a very It was a really

[2:12:38] Linux. Some of your software wouldn't work. like kind of hacky workarounds. There were benefits. The battery life was game-changing at the time. That was before Intel had some really competitive

[2:12:52] offerings in terms of battery life and AMD, too, for that matter. um So, it's So, it seems to me that it kind of makes sense that you'd have a kind of similar user archetype. Someone who's

[2:13:06] order to try something new um get some benefit that is very meaningful to them. And they publicly promised continued Linux upstreaming work back in 2024.

[2:13:22] And so, I'm looking at this going like, "Guys, you're already niche. >> You already seem to be having a hard time making inroads. And I understand why the temptation would be to see that fact that your

[2:13:37] volumes are pretty low and and kind of circle the wagons. You know, focus on focus on the biggest piece of the pie, the biggest prize. Hear me out. Go completely the opposite direction.

[2:13:51] Go completely the opposite direction. >> so. Be the king I think so. of how well Linux. >> hardcore, very vocal in a good way for accomplish that. >> And they tend to be evangelists.

[2:14:07] They tend to be the kinds of people who who will wait until something is, if we're being real not really good enough for mainstream and then THEY'LL BE LIKE EVERYONE SHOULD TRY it and it's way better to have those guys on your side

[2:14:21] right now than to just alienate them and then also >> loud about that which is not good for you. not offer anything interesting to the mainstream normies. Right now you're you're you're doing neither and and I

[2:14:35] and I don't think this is going to work out great cuz I could see like I could compelling gaming performance for instance. At least the the new generation is are they out or they rumored I can't remember. Whatever that

[2:14:47] but but their GPUs are pretty solid and I could see Qualcomm being a legitimate contender in things like handheld Windows gaming machines. Sure. Why not? >> Definitely. I think honestly with with some of their mini PCs they're showing

[2:15:01] off and stuff totally makes sense. But now you're going up against the Steam who's designing a piece of handheld hardware today would I want to be able to support all the various operating systems that can

[2:15:14] Would I want to be able to run Steam OS? Would I want to be able to run Basite? Would I want to be able to run what's the the Windows game optimized mode called that you worked on with the Xbox team? Whatever that that thing. I'd

[2:15:28] think shutting a door right now feels like completely failing to read the room. Yeah. Which room when the door into it is closed?

[2:15:45] >> You don't have to call me that on camera. OH MY. >> GROSS. >> [laughter]

[2:16:03] >> Next topic? >> Oh this is great. EU consumer protections strike again. You want to do this one? Sure. This follows the unrelated news that Nintendo is cutting Switch 2 production

[2:16:16] by Hey, I see you pressing that button, Dan. Oh, was it you? No, it was me. No, button to He mashed the narcissist button like 25 times. >> [laughter]

[2:16:31] >> Okay, that's bad news. >> Approximately a cut of 2 million units this year. WOW, CRAZY. WAIT, did you >> No one predicted this at all. Hmm, interesting. If only there was more than

[2:16:44] >> Wow. The good news for it? Oh, I thought you read the whole title. No, I didn't. EU consumer protection strike again, a new Switch 2 revision with a removable battery. That's cool.

[2:16:57] To repeated reportedly release there? Oh, in the EU. Yeah. And then America, maybe? I mean, even if it didn't, I would imagine >> them. the gray market for Switch 2s with the removable battery would be like

[2:17:12] >> Big time. That'd be That'd be sick. removable battery? That sounds great. I mean, it's not It's not a phone, right? Like I can I can actually really understand it with a phone. This tightly

[2:17:26] fit in my pocket. I have to be able to take it into the swimming pool and you take, you know, pictures of, you know, my kids learning with my stupid phone. But something like a game console, I I I

[2:17:40] don't need it to be 0.3 mm thinner. I think it's probably fine for it to just have a removable battery. This is so cool. Yeah, I think people don't care at >> [sighs and gasps] >> The Switch 2 is boring.

[2:17:53] Ooh. It's boring. I played some Mario Kart World with my son on the plane on a recent trip. It It's was right. >> that game. It's it's

[2:18:08] it's really sweaty. The best Mario Kart experience. >> no way to win whatsoever if you There's no way to even be remotely competitive if you don't sweat super hard. Which I find pretty

[2:18:23] like not fun. >> Kart game, bro. Yeah. What are we doing? >> Like if you want to play Why is there like under map mechanics? >> want to play Assetto Corsa, like play that.

[2:18:35] You know? Like can Mario Kart be Mario Kart? And I understand that some people want to play Mario Kart super sweaty, and I get that. You can though. >> But you can play super sweaty without

[2:18:47] literally driving on a completely different track that the other players >> Yeah. Like Mario Kart 8 and deluxe and whatever else, like the variants of it, you could absolutely be super sweaty,

[2:19:01] else is not going to be anywhere near as enormous as Mario Kart World. Um and in my opinion, the mechanics are Um decently heavily incentivizing drifting

[2:19:14] more than World does. Pretty in line with 8, in my opinion, is a great thing for the game because everyone can drift. Mhm. It's very But getting it so that like the lines are really perfect and stuff is a skill

[2:19:29] rewarding, but it's not like game-breakingly rewarding. >> Yeah, like I just Like there was one that I was in first, and my son was in And he just like took a shortcut I didn't know about

[2:19:43] and won. And it's like like I'm not I'm not like mad about it. Because it's just Mario Kart. Yeah. But that's also the That's also the other thing though, is like it's just Mario Kart. Why do we need to do that? Why do

[2:19:56] >> were small. >> They're usually very small. and they >> Maybe you could gain a position. And they could be very difficult to execute. Often

[2:20:09] >> Yes. Where you would only really take it if you kind of needed to. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, and you'd honestly be better off with a mushroom. In a lot of cases. Yeah. Or the shortcuts are are are kind of everywhere

[2:20:23] across corner with a mushroom instead of, you know, going through the like going over grass or whatever. >> Yeah. Maybe you Maybe you do it wrong on from then on it's pretty easy. >> the track just like splits into two and

[2:20:37] of them are going right and you just like don't know which way you're supposed to go. It's just that's not a race anymore. That's maze pathfinding having a lot of fun with Mario Kart World.

[2:20:52] But if the Switch sales are anything to go by, a lot of people also just like kind of aren't. Yeah. Um Bananza is supposed to be really good. I haven't played it. >> [sighs]

[2:21:04] and then sell it. Yeah, I could see that. I could see that. I mean >> Emma's super super into Donkey Kong, so I bought Bananza for like her to play on the Switch and then the house stuff

[2:21:17] it. Nice. Solid. >> But we'll probably play through that and then yeah, there's nothing else pulling me towards the Switch too that feels makes sense. Yeah.

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[2:24:03] storage, docs, sheets, calendar, authenticator. I don't know what wallet I think I got lots of stuff. Is this new? It never came up on my evaluation. >> They don't have a chat. >> It's been expanding very aggressively.

[2:24:18] Make a chat. If that makes sense, we can use Slack. I think it'd be really happy. I don't want to pay for Slack. Slack is a little bit less expensive than >> want a little bit less expensive. We're

[2:24:32] either. >> there are potentially free options we've there's there's like >> you pay for. There is Yeah. structure. >> Self-host Mattermost. Mattermost has

[2:24:45] look into that. >> We have such a weird team structure. >> of software >> For a 100-person company, we do so much different stuff. It's crazy. Like there are companies our size whose

[2:24:58] entire thing is they just like make drill bits. And everyone just is moving in one direction, like making drill bits. Like I We have apparel, and we have like like

[2:25:12] engineered goods, and we have a video platform, and we have flipping an events production company, and >> procurement is makes us so weird.

[2:25:26] Like none of the film production software includes an entire procurement chain. Right, because why would we have to procure something in order to make we have the thing, we can't make a video about it. And we have to have sometimes

[2:25:41] about it. And we have to have sometimes 40 things for one video of the you know Like an AMD ultimate tech upgrade. Yeah, even more. videos a quarter. Which also no one does. Yeah.

[2:25:55] >> It's crazy. Ironically Teams is like actually set up really well for us channels and things. Yeah, you can No, you can do that. platforms. Yeah, but on Slack we can't dictate the order. Yeah, but you can

[2:26:08] that. Like there's ways to make it better. I do agree that that sucks. You can't build someone's hierarchy for them. That's also like do we need that?

[2:26:20] figure out something else? Never been a problem on the Discord side. Well, it wouldn't save money if we went to like something self-hosted or like one of the other ones.

[2:26:33] >> If If Discord had better user management, we could use Discord. But it's like kind of meh. Meh. Kind of meh. Meh. Sorry.

[2:26:51] video of one of their kids that their kid asked them to send to me and it's of them driving around in you know those uh those like really rugged cardboard boxes that you can get for free at Costco. Yeah. Um they're like sitting in it like

[2:27:03] dashboard and they're like dry scooting around in it on the floor. He's like kicking the thing so that it like goes for a little bit. And um I was just I was just like why do we buy them expensive toys? It's

[2:27:18] >> Yeah. Yeah, I love to see kids using imagination, man. It's uh it's refreshing. Um my eldest daughter is getting into this um animation platform on on the iPad that

[2:27:34] you draw every frame and she made this little uh she's made a couple little little uh she's made a couple little like short things that one of them is cats catching mice and then at the end of it her kind of punchline

[2:27:47] is she has a shot of just like a pile of dead rats and mice and the mice going to I I don't know. She's an interesting child. I mean every child's an interesting child. She's really into cats. Um and

[2:27:59] then that's why she chose cat as her stage name. Like she's just like she's Korea recently. We went all the way around the world and you know what she cafe. Literally we have cat at home.

[2:28:13] >> [clears throat] >> Um Anyway, she [snorts] made another one that's like like this dragon thing that like goes and it does a thing and I don't know. It's it's it's pretty cool

[2:28:25] and as far as I'm concerned we have car votes in our screen time rules for if you are making something. Sure. So if you are designing something for 3D printing, that doesn't count. If you are doing an

[2:28:39] animation or you're like making a stop motion thing with your with your phone or whatever, that doesn't count. And it's really it's really cool. Google Family Link actually has some some wonderful tools for carving out

[2:28:52] particular apps, particular times um so that you can say okay, yeah, you get like 45 minutes of general use. This particular app is limited to like 15 minutes and these apps you can use anytime you want, as much as you want.

[2:29:07] Um really awesome. So like something like I have Kindle Unlimited so they're the Kindle. I don't care. I don't care if they're looking at a screen or at a paper page. At that age all I care about is they're reading.

[2:29:21] So you can you can fine tune that. It's pretty cool. Yeah, yeah. has flatly refused to comply with emerging laws requiring operating

[2:29:35] systems to collect age data at setup. >> Based. They have said they will never require personal information, ID, or an account. Based. In their Twitter statement, they said, "If GrapheneOS devices can't be sold in

[2:29:47] so be it." Based. The statement was prompted by Brazil's digital ECA law taking effect March 17th, which carries fines of up to 9.5 million dollars per violation. California's similar law takes effect

[2:30:01] January 2027. This stance creates a real problem for GrapheneOS's new Motorola partnership, which was announced at Mobile World A hardware vendor selling devices globally would have to comply with local

[2:30:13] meaning that Motorola may have to restrict sales of GrapheneOS phones geographically. Linus Linus comments. Linus Linus comments. I hadn't seen that until now.

[2:30:27] >> [laughter] >> I genuinely didn't read that. Uh I don't think we need to get further into like, what are these laws? Are they supposedly about protecting kids? What are they actually for? Collecting data?

[2:30:39] >> Maybe you'll have to go on to a road trip outside of California to buy your phone. Like Samsung saying that AirDrop support is enabled by default after all on Galaxy phones. They're rolling it out to Galaxy S26 devices via a One UI 8.5

[2:30:54] directly with iPhones, iPads, and Macs through Quick Share. No third-party apps default through Samsung's Though Samsung's own promotional video initially showed it off showed it as off, causing some confusion before the

[2:31:08] how to make this work without Apple's involvement when it launched on Pixel 10 last year, and Samsung is now the second Android OEM to get it with no word yet Android OEM to get it with no word yet on when other Galaxy devices will

[2:31:20] follow. Uh our discussion question is, now that AirDrop works both ways and green message bubbles are no longer the social albatross that they once were. Are there any major friction points that will remain?

[2:31:35] Status. Status? Yeah. I think people still think you're weird. That's so funky cuz like I I don't want this to come across the wrong way

[2:31:47] because I don't care, but like my Android costs more than your iPhone. symbol? Don't ask me that. Okay, I'm just trying to I don't get it. >> an old >> [laughter]

[2:32:02] care. I never cared. >> it's such a silly thing. Like I I mean I think caring about like oh, they have a old car therefore poor therefore bad is stupid, let alone

[2:32:18] phones. Like I I think the whole thing is just >> So I'm the wrong person to consult with on this. on this. I will never understand.

[2:32:30] >> Oh, you didn't waste your money on like some device that's just going to basically be useless in like 3 to 5 years, huh? Okay, cool. Um My car is 60 this year says gas racing

[2:32:44] That's pretty cool. >> Sick. There's definitely a there's you know, this >> become expensive again. >> become expensive again. >> [laughter]

[2:33:03] Yeah, which I mean [laughter] makes sense. AF. Yeah, this is this is kind of my point. Yeah. I I I got to say I do find

[2:33:18] the car situation a little confusing like I um um People in general seem to spend a lot ever have. >> It's so weird. I don't get it at all.

[2:33:35] civic? >> Oh yeah. And then you know how long I drove the vault? Yeah. You literally know the finances of the company.

[2:33:48] Really? I never put that together. Until you just listed it that out. But civic? You got a hand-me-down? >> Yeah, I had a Volkswagen Jetta. Never mind. Yeah, you never drove that one. >> Cuz you had a you also had a golf. Yeah,

[2:34:02] the minivan. Yeah. Have you ever driven our minivan? I >> drive the golf. >> I think you're still over 50%. No. >> At least not once. I'll let you ride the

[2:34:14] would be kind of crazy. >> That'd be kind of crazy cuz you're up >> [laughter] >> I did ride Taipei. >> Yeah, that was scary.

[2:34:26] >> [laughter] >> That was a little wild. So Luke's lived in all of Linus's houses, too. Oh yeah, that No, no not in the current one. Although I did offer while you had

[2:34:38] live with us and he refused. He wouldn't. He didn't want that Pokémon. >> I stayed at my parents. Uh so I'd be down here.

[2:34:51] >> [laughter] >> You'd be up here. >> I mean I'd give it a shot. >> Even with Yvonne or my son when he was quite a bit younger, I think he was probably about 10 when when I was riding

[2:35:03] with him on the back. Weigh a lot less than you. I don't know >> Yeah, you might have to like three exit. You'd be up so high and your legs are not really that long that you would not be able to put your foot down. Yeah.

[2:35:18] Until we were quite quite horizontal. Um and also this is really hot if it was operating. we >> Is there foot placements? Yeah, the pegs

[2:35:31] It's a little too pixely, but yeah, okay, I can imagine. Yeah. Yeah, so you put these down and then you're pegging. It would look hilarious. It would look so ridiculous. You would look like you'd look like Donkey Kong in

[2:35:45] Mario Kart on my bike like sitting on the back of it like that. Yeah. Um >> [laughter]

[2:36:01] >> TCL has been banned from calling some of its has been banned from calling some of its TVs QLED due to a lack of dots. That is to say a lack of cadmium and indium in the optical sheets for their TVs. They

[2:36:16] court. They also found that this meant the TVs did not have the color performance that is normally associated with quantum dot or QLED technology. This ruling comes as a result of a lawsuit filed by Samsung where they

[2:36:29] commissioned testing of TCL displays and accused them of misleading consumers in their marketing. Damn. TCL and Hisense are also facing class action lawsuits in are also facing class action lawsuits in the US over the marketing of QLED TVs.

[2:36:42] Yeah, I would um I actually support Samsung's efforts here It's kind of based. I had a recent um experience with a TV manufacturer where they uh talked to me and explained and showed some of the work that they do not to

[2:36:57] reverse engineer their competitors' products, but to evaluate their breakdowns that they'll do on it to really understand the performance of their competitors' products so they know what they're up against. And

[2:37:12] we'll have a video on this pretty soon, but there were some shocking revelations unless you have the engineering expertise to literally disassemble the

[2:37:24] TV and and and watch it operate and get scopes on it and like really know what it's doing, you would never know. Um and there's much like you see in seen over the years in phone benchmarking, there's a lot of cheating

[2:37:37] that can be done Oh, yeah. when TVs are detecting particular test patterns or detecting particular test patterns or scenes, and um it's getting harder and harder to not only stop that cheating, but even

[2:37:50] notice it because it's a feature, not a bug, that every TV these days has an AI everything on the screen. So, they really do know everything they're displaying, and they can tune the image, and they can tune

[2:38:05] the behavior of the TV accordingly. Uh Samsung actually has gotten caught their brightness during test patterns, if I recall correctly. That was on what, the S95B? Let me know in chat if anyone remembers. I'm pretty sure that was a

[2:38:18] thing, but I don't want to say that and be wrong. Come on. Anyone? Was that Samsung?

[2:38:31] this cute little 14-year-old ThinkPad. This was fun. That got upgraded for 25 bucks. No one? No one? Still no one? Yeah, a YouTuber named Onion Boots set out to make a near-perfect ThinkPad since the

[2:38:46] peeling Energy Star sticker was just enough to justify it never becoming a display piece. The near-perfect ThinkPad's general specs are a third-gen ThinkPad's general specs are a third-gen Intel Core i5 2230M

[2:39:00] Intel Core i5 2230M or an i7 3520M. Isn't this a specific model? I don't know. Okay. Uh 16 gigs of DDR3 and a 12 know. Okay. Uh 16 gigs of DDR3 and a 12 and 1/2-in LED backlit TN panel at 1366

[2:39:12] >> Ooh, that display is a yikes. >> is kind of the biggest problem here. It's a decent amount of memory actually. Uh Onion Boots claims that it's not a full HD mod, but rather a simple swap to an IPS LG panel. Uh it's from the same

[2:39:26] year and has the same resolution. A little unfortunate, but the jump from TN to IPS is pretty sweet. Um Onion Boots simply didn't feel So it's only 25 bucks. Anyway, I just thought it was cool. Hey, don't don't

[2:39:39] >> older laptops, sometimes you can uh improve your display, throw an SSD in with something like, I don't know, Linux Mint. My discussion question here though is actually kind of unrelated. Can we stop doing this?

[2:39:55] Can we stop doing this? Tom's Hardware Bro has a name. Bro has a channel name. Okay, yeah. It's here, and you do eventually get

[2:40:09] It's here, and you do eventually get into it. One intrepid YouTuber, uh-huh, uh-huh, okay. Where where where do we get The YouTuber fold are we here? Um

[2:40:22] saying the article that brought this to my attention was Tom's Hardware, I said traditional written media site reports that a YouTuber has upgraded their 14-year-old ThinkPad. Can we not?

[2:40:38] We all have names. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk. Oh, I've watched Onion Boots before. I was going to say I feel like I recognize one video that went freaking crazy. >> maybe it would be pretty good for their

[2:40:51] channel if everyone who reported on the cool work that they're doing, um maybe named them in the headline. That would be pretty cool. It is a super you think the laptop video is like neat but isn't going to draw you in, I need

[2:41:05] boots has a video called a a web revival. The internet didn't die, you're just not on it. And this video is awesome. It's really cool. Uh So maybe check it out. It talks about like websites like this that is his that

[2:41:19] are up right now which like feel like older website. You can see the links these older style websites link to each other and it's like a cool old surfing the web style feeling that you can find on the internet if you if you go to

[2:41:33] these different sites. So check that video. It's cool. He he references a go check out. And it's a yeah, it's a actually just genuinely awesome video. background of that site? Uh I don't Is that what I'm Is that what

[2:41:47] I'm looking at here? Hold on. Hold on just a gosh darn minute here. Oh my god. just a gosh darn minute here. Oh my god. Oh. So I think it's not like I'm doing it as well and I'm clearly not playing like

[2:42:00] with you. So it's it's local but yeah. >> yeah. Yeah yeah yeah. I mean that's Minesweeper. That's that's That's a that's a Minesweeper if I've That's a that's a Minesweeper if I've ever seen one.

[2:42:18] Something I have always >> Name your egg. Egg hatching in 21 seconds. This feels very Neopets.

[2:42:35] Very very cool very cool video and it links to other people's sites. side of my trackpad. Don't play mine Don't play Minesweeper with a trackpad. Don't play Minesweeper with a trackpad. Um

[2:42:52] >> Valve has finally detailed Steam Machines verified program. At GDC 2026, Valve confirms that games need to have stable 1080p 30 FPS in order to earn the Steam machines verified badge. So, the same performance bar as Steam Deck

[2:43:06] verified, just at a higher resolution. Any game that is already Deck verified automatically qualifies, and the Steam machine is confirmed to have six times the performance of the Deck. This 30 FPS floor is just the minimum for the badge.

[2:43:20] Valve has previously said that most Steam titles can hit 4K 60 FPS on the hardware as long as you enable FSR upscaling. Our discussion question. Oh, that's an interesting one, actually.

[2:43:32] Sony and Microsoft tell you exactly what their consoles can do at launch. I mean, sort of. Many games do have a performance or quality toggle now. But the our discussion question goes on to ask, is Valve's ah, depends on the game

[2:43:46] approach good enough for people who want the simplicity of just plugging play? So, don't know that Sony and Microsoft's ones are always necessarily fully true. No, but they definitely simplify the message. Yeah. And you

[2:44:01] mostly understand what you're getting. I mean, Sony had that whole debacle where the PS5, and then just kind of quietly removed it.

[2:44:14] I understand the argument, and I think it's valid. I think the audience for Steam stuff is a little bit different. I think so, too. Uh I also think that the saying like, "Mhm, pretty much everything's going to be fine." I think

[2:44:29] kind of whisk that away a little bit, and I suspect there'll be an understanding that like at launch an Xbox is going to play a certain amount of games, and at launch the Steam machine is going to play

[2:44:41] you're going to have to understand that there's going to be some scale there. I'm going to come out and say, most people don't care. Yeah. And like, but really actually don't care and the people who do

[2:44:56] probably know better than to buy a Steam machine and expect to run at you know 4K 120 FPS. Okay, so you can run Star Citizen on Linux? So if you can play games like that I

[2:45:10] I found myself doing the thing sometimes too. I saw this. Okay, all right. I'm just checking. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I try to resist. >> I try to resist too. I I saw that I saw

[2:45:25] I run Star Citizen on my Linux box. I use Arch by the way. I have no issues I still didn't click through. >> Yep. But I saw this. Yep. But I I yeah I >> wants your click. Make sure to support Reddit.

[2:45:40] >> Small up and coming platforms like Reddit need your help. what was I going to say? Yeah, but if like you know, if you're able to run games like that like Damn. How how are they supposed to verify

[2:45:52] stuff? Yeah. What does What does run Star Citizen mean? >> So like whatever. I I think their explanation is discussion question. I think it's a fair thing to point out. It isn't as clear

[2:46:07] and easy as the console ones, but I kind of prefer this cuz it feels a lot more legit and I hope that people read it properly. Our last big topic here Anthropic's Claude can now I'm not I'm

[2:46:21] sticking with my pronunciation Claude. >> Claude Oh, I see. can now control your computer. Anthropic has launched a research preview of computer use for Claude Pro and Max subscribers on Mac OS letting Claude open apps, navigate

[2:46:34] browsers, fill spreadsheets, and handle multi-step tasks on your computer. It pairs with dispatch, a new mobile tool that lets you assign tasks to Claude from your phone and have it execute them on your desktop. Anthropic warns the

[2:46:46] feature is early, can still make mistakes, and uh they advise against now. They also say, haha, Claude will always ask permission before accessing new apps. Linus' comment,

[2:47:00] uh this is yeah, when I posted the news in the newsfeed, >> [laughter] >> Even Microsoft has been restrained enough

[2:47:13] restrained enough to not just let Copilot do stuff on your Which I have talked about sort of defeats the assistant on my computer. If it can't do anything, then what's the point of it?

[2:47:28] But also, that's totally fine. Well, it looks like Anthropic has kind of gone, assistant on your computer if it can't just like completely do stuff for you?" And now we get this.

[2:47:42] Um this was the wrong answer, but answer, but uh I guess we have it now.

[2:47:55] comment. Um I don't know, there's been multiple things that have been able to do this already. I I I think by adding it to Claude Pro and Max, you're you're bringing it to more mainstream people. Uh-huh. Um which is going to be freaking

[2:48:09] interesting that the thing that Microsoft was pushing is going to happen on Mac from someone else before it will happen on Windows with >> Yeah. Um It's pretty funny. Uh

[2:48:23] just Windows doing Microsoft doing current era Microsoft things, I guess. yeah, interesting. >> Kitslane says, "My AI assistant cannot Help." I had I had somebody

[2:48:39] uh invite their AI assistant to a Discord call that we were in the other and prompted it with voice in the Discord call and then told it to leave the Discord call and it disconnected. Um it's a weird world. People living on

[2:48:53] right now. >> [laughter] >> It's uh yeah, it's interesting. I was looking into like I really want to have uh a local setup going. Um

[2:49:05] and I was looking into building one and just ram. Holy god. >> You can borrow mine. I I mean it's >> Cuz he wants the experience of setting it up. He wants to He doesn't actually

[2:49:19] >> [laughter] >> I FEEL CALLED OUT. Like that's the whole thing. That's like my whole life. That's why we like That's >> [laughter] >> Because I'm the kind of person who loves

[2:49:33] game that much. You know? >> I see you. Yeah. I didn't know Luke felt like that, too. I do want to use it but I'm not going to end up using it as much I'm not going to use it enough to like

[2:49:47] >> Hey. Have you tried your Bigscreen Beyond >> But I looked into setting it up because the the room that Okay, so the computers are in a

[2:49:59] different room now. So where the base stations were set up is not where the computers are anymore. Um >> The new Yeah, yeah. The new room that the computers are set

[2:50:14] space. >> He's going to do it. So I've been trying to figure out basically is it worth it to get another pair of base stations basically and have base stations in there in the smaller room that I can

[2:50:27] use like at my desk with my computer. >> Base stations more like based stations. >> Or should I just put them up where they were and then find some way to tether

[2:50:39] all the way into the other room? Mhm, long range tether. Risky. Yeah. I'm sure there's a way to do it. >> a separate box in that other room. >> Yeah. That sucks.

[2:50:51] >> Yeah. Just like as far as I can tell everyone else, I'd really rather not build a computer right now. >> [laughter] okay. Um but yeah, the the amount of available

[2:51:05] now is kind of rough. So it's like okay. And another annoying thing, we asked And another annoying thing, we asked them like not to seal over the holes for

[2:51:19] stations were and they left one of them just fine, but they totally like sealed >> you have to put a hole in your wall. Yeah, two of them. Two holes? >> it's two. Pretty sure it's two. Two holes, do they make a half though?

[2:51:32] >> Um But we're not getting a super long Ronaldo Buruca, I'm fine. This is not an injection site for my horrible addiction. Um I just That would be a I think yeah, I know. Brutal spot. Oh my

[2:51:46] god. I dived for an epic badminton return and it was amazing and I I slid Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it was awesome. >> Don't do it at all, but especially not there.

[2:52:00] I mean, might not [laughter] You might not do it again. >> All right, let's jump Let's jump into after dark. Are we at after dark time?

[2:52:12] Let's do this thing. >> See, it's it's the common curse. incredibly long show and now we're at after dark before we were last time. >> Oh yeah, how'd that happen? >> Oh, this the show's going to be really,

[2:52:26] Yeah. million years long. >> that? [laughter] Every time you complain show. And every time there's too many I wonder if it's a self-fulfilling prophecy prophecy.

[2:52:39] >> I I think maybe cuz you're trying to correct for Yeah. We're just too good at this? >> [laughter] >> At least one. Factually correct. Yeah. All right,

[2:52:52] let's see what we have for you today. Hey Tall Tall and Short. Hope it's a good news wan show. You were correct. It's pretty nice. I'm trying to find a good recommendation for a CPU upgrade for my friend still on AM4

[2:53:08] because 5800X3Ds are gone. Are the XT CPUs worth >> In my opinion, no, not really. Um Um >> [sighs]

[2:53:24] because on the one hand, an AM4 chip is still good enough to game. Like you you're not giving up much as soon as you're up at like 1440p unless you have like a a god tier GPU. So, you know,

[2:53:38] the good news is they're probably having a pretty good experience. Um the bad news is that if they want to upgrade at this point, their options are kind of kind of limited without going for a full new

[2:53:52] platform, which I would assume we're trying to avoid trying to avoid uh spending money on DDR5. off topic, but that is one of the things I was looking into is like what is the

[2:54:04] most cranked processor I can get that's still DDR4? there's some >> thinking 5950X. into this. >> I wouldn't sp- I wouldn't want to spend

[2:54:18] an old platform. Uh So, a you're spending 336 bucks. And the bad

[2:54:31] news about that is you're not really getting much out of the other eight cores from from a gaming standpoint. >> Oh, yeah. See, in my perspective, I'm go. Um

[2:54:43] I mean, like this is like it's okay, but like by the time I'm spending $300, like the whole RAM thing. >> 100%. Yeah. Yeah, it's been it's been a >> 100%. Yeah. Yeah, it's been it's been a thing. Yeah. Um hold on. Intel, um what

[2:54:57] are the bloody What are the bloody new ones called? I know there's that like oh, it's DDR5 and DDR4 on the same motherboard thing. I wish they would just have the I don't know, the cojones to just it's just DDR4.

[2:55:11] Whatever. Modern CPU, four slots DDR4. Go for it. Go for it. 12700K is what Pankratz is recommending. 12700K. Yeah. That's probably Well, ooh. That's actually

[2:55:24] Oh, that's a new price. Hold on. Let me find it on like eBay or something. Why in the bloody hell are the Core Ultras, the new ones? Oh, yeah. Those are still Those are still in They're kind of Okay. Ooh, expensive.

[2:55:37] >> So, by the time you're spending that kind of money, this is a much faster chip. Um and uh this guy this guy is actually like kind of

[2:55:50] uh for 220 bucks. >> chips are pretty wicked. I wish building computers was like a thing that people were doing right now cuz it was so sad seeing that video like not just get like 2 million views cuz everyone's so hyped

[2:56:04] on the new processors. >> Yeah, like that the Core Ultra 5 250K awful name Oh, yeah. >> um pretty exciting chip. >> Yeah. And just no one can afford RAM. Yeah.

[2:56:18] But by the time I've saved $100 compared to that that 5950X, right? Because I'm getting 18 cores. Yeah, not all of them are performance cores or whatever, but I'm getting I'm getting 18 cores now instead of 16 cores. Like let's have a

[2:56:32] instead of 16 cores. Like let's have a look at uh 16 gigs DDR5. Remember, I just saved $100. Yep. So yeah, it's $220 for DDR5, but I can probably sell my DDR4 for some money and I'm going to now all of a sudden I'm

[2:56:47] platform upgrade. I'm moving to PCIE Gen 5. I just I I just by design it feels like AMD by no longer producing X3D chips for the AM4 platform is

[2:57:02] is kind of undercutting what was supposed to be one of the the promises of that platform is having that upgrade path. And in some ways it's not AMD's that the second-hand market for these X3D chips was going to go absolutely

[2:57:18] bazonkers. Yeah. Um but on the other hand, they like totally probably could make X3D chips and then AM4 users who didn't go X3D earlier would have an upgrade path. Um but it's but you can see like it's

[2:57:32] like back when I bought a minivan and I realized that it wasn't cheaper to buy a used one per sort of like usable remaining um low maintenance life because everyone had made the same spreadsheet that I

[2:57:46] In the same way, everyone has access to the same performance data that I do and calculation going, "Okay, how do we position our products so that they're

[2:57:58] like, you know, these ones are pretty okay, but what you really want is this pricing. They're balancing that against how much their CPUs cost and their make it They're trying to make the one they want you to buy more compelling and

[2:58:11] compelling. So that's probably the route that I would go right now if you were looking for a go right now if you were looking for a serious upgrade on AM4 and X3D is not

[2:58:23] really an option. And Pancrat's is advice is pretty good. What did you say 12700K? Yeah. Um that's that's a really solid option as well. I'm just saving some money by sticking with the DDR4,

[2:58:38] changing our CPU and I'm not sure if we're getting enough of an upgrade for your local market, too. >> That yeah, 100%. Yeah. Um and what's nice about uh my option of going DDR5 now, even

[2:58:54] though like that sucks, is that DDR4 is also benefiting from the RAM apocalypse in terms of its value. So, the fact that you have some DDR4 helps take a little bit of a bite out of that DDR5 upgrade. Yeah.

[2:59:12] Hi LLD. My dad has been stealing my screwdriver a lot lately, so I'm getting one for his birthday. Nice. What is your favorite present [clears throat] that you have received from your kids or your parents from you? Oh, wow. Favorite

[2:59:25] present from my kids. There's a really cute one they made me. They made me an cute one they made me. They made me an an iPad that was like a little um like a not like a pop-up book, but like um like a lift the flap thing. So, it

[2:59:41] then in each app they like wrote something nice under it. That's cool. oh, you know what? There was another really good one they did for me. They made me pajamas that had like vinyl iron-on things of just things I like.

[2:59:56] So, it has like a badminton racket on it and like a cat and like a bunch of just like kind of random stuff like that. I wore those into the ground. Uh usually Yvonne is the actual, you know, driver of the stuff that my kids

[3:00:09] >> That makes sense. Um I don't need anything from my kids. Their smile when I walk in the door is like realistically all I ever hoped to need from them. Hallmark card? Um, sorry? Hallmark card. I don't want a Hallmark card.

[3:00:22] card. >> Oh, sure. I've just said rather have >> Oh, sure. I've just said rather have nothing than like spending wasting $6 on a on a card. Mike I don't know how much a Hallmark card costs. They're a

[3:00:35] insane. So stupid. >> No, dog. >> I'm going to hear about saying that, but Um I what

[3:00:48] I don't know if it's necessarily my favorite, but one of a very memorable at least up here there was a lot of conversations around like are you are your parents going to get you a car? Um, that was not going to be a thing

[3:01:02] for us, but my dad bought me It's supposed to be a gift from you to your parents. Oh, hm. >> No, I've got some cool ones. I'm trying to think of like what's the

[3:01:19] I mean, I think the one you did this year was really cool. you. It's over now, so no one's going to harass you there. >> Um, Lord of the Rings was like a huge thing for my family. Like my mom has a

[3:01:34] huge like chest of memorabilia from back contests that I think you had to like know try to win to get us an advanced screening for I believe it was Two

[3:01:47] mom. Um way around. It was my mom and I that went. I think it was I think I won it. Anyways, whatever. Um

[3:02:00] very very very into Lord of the Rings and they had a 25-year anniversary thing this year and the hobbits and the actor for Gimli and

[3:02:12] be there and you could do like meet and greets and photos and stuff and I got everybody tickets to go there and like meet people and and whatnot. And it's it's interesting. I think I talked about that a little bit on on the show here,

[3:02:25] um how it kind of went. Yeah, I know it wasn't how you expected. >> No, I mean the show was terribly ran. It was actually like kind of fascinating how poorly the show was ran. I talked to

[3:02:39] remember his name right now. I I hope I give him a shout out last time I there that like really helped our experience not be really terrible which was which was awesome. Oh, someone in chat said John

[3:02:53] Rhys-Davies is a bundle of joy. Yeah, he was like amazing and from watching the movies Gimli is like one of my least favorite characters cuz he's like very definitely just used as comedic relief most of the time.

[3:03:07] I actually appreciate him in the movies way more now cuz I've met John Rhys-Davies in real life and I'm like, "Oh, he's just kind of like that." >> When we were all taking photos, he was like tickling people to try to get them

[3:03:20] to laugh and he'd like get really happy if he got you. He'd be like, "Ha ha ha." It was he was very funny. That's fun. And yeah, like the the you have to toss me scene it's so good. Felt a lot more like real

[3:03:36] less acted. That's just kind of what he's like. Yeah. Yeah. So, But yeah, that's that's probably one of my my uh

[3:03:48] that one was awesome. Yeah, it was pretty sweet. >> Up next two quests. Linus, what is your strategy to keep your mind sharp? What do you do? Diet, reading, sleep? We know about

[3:04:03] exercise, but what else do you do? And Luke, when's that chicken recipe? Help a It is. It is. You can find it lmg.gg/floatplane. makes it. Yep. So, he shows you how to do it.

[3:04:17] Uh keeping my mind sharp, I mean, is it sharp? sharp? >> [laughter] so. I I It's the same answer that I I give

[3:04:29] everyone when they ask me something like this. You know, oh you know, how did you how did you work so hard in the early days of LMG? And how do you do this? And do that? And I don't have a choice. I

[3:04:45] I get home at the end of the day and I have a splitting headache very often because you can only you can It's It's a weird thing because it doesn't seem intuitive. Your brain's not a muscle, but it does it in my experience, it does

[3:05:00] I My brain gets really tired and there are certain things that make it more tired than other things, but when you run a avoid those things. You don't really have that that luxury of

[3:05:17] like this task is not good for my mental health. You get fortunately a lot of support if you have a good team, and I do, but at um you can't just like hide from things and

[3:05:32] if you do, they tend to snowball and get bigger. And we've had those experiences many times over the years where we've tried to avoid a problem and ultimately it has turned into a much bigger problem. I No

[3:05:46] Um power through it. Terrible advice. I you know, not great for self-care, but um how do I do it? Like that. Yeah,

[3:05:58] sometimes you just got to do it. For a for a bit of a slight jump back, this is it. If you're looking for it, there's your title. I I do I do read. I try to sleep. I often am not able to sleep anymore. I don't know if it's like

[3:06:13] just age or stress or kids or whatever it is. Um, This year's been really rough. >> I try to not eat total garbage, although

[3:06:25] that I can remember. >> you doing that thing I recommended? Uh, Okay. >> It doesn't taste that great. okay. >> oh, the uh, the powder? Yeah. Uh, I

[3:06:37] haven't tried that yet. Okay. Um, no, no, no, no. When I'm No, I'm talking >> That was a different thought. >> So, I went down for a little workshop. Um, a buddy of mine, Danny's, a badminton guy, but he runs a paint shop.

[3:06:51] Uh, Jake actually introduced us of all people. And so, he runs like a paint spray shop. And um, after my terrible experience painting my bike, um, he was like chatting with me and was like, "Oh, yeah, I could like maybe like show you

[3:07:05] how to paint some stuff." And I was like, "Oh, yeah, I could get like a care son's really into the channel. Anyway, we we figured out a deal. And Danny's a time. Um, he's come out and run a couple of

[3:07:18] like badminton Reddit group meetups at our badminton club. The world is so small. And um, you never know what kind of connection you're going to make by just like being nice to people. So, anyway, we've So, we've done a few

[3:07:31] help me figure out my paint gun. Uh, so like that again, I maybe will be somewhat competent this time. It won't take 2 and 1/2 years. Um, anyway, I was on my way back from that

[3:07:45] a lot. And I was like, "Oh, is Krispy Kreme And I was like, "Oh, is Krispy Kreme still open?" So Linus has a thing for Krispy Kreme. >> myself a dozen of the Krispy Kreme

[3:08:00] >> eat them all? That evening it was probably the most perfectly baked batch of Krispy Kreme donuts that I have ever eaten. The glazing was perfect, not too much sugar. Like the bottom still

[3:08:16] had no sugar, but it was like down the sides. So it wasn't like too sweet and sides. So it wasn't like too sweet and it was like the lightest chewiest like it was I ate eight of them that evening

[3:08:28] and four the next morning. Three and a half. My my daughters caught me up with the last one in my hand. They were like any for us?" [laughter] Cuz I had intended to share them.

[3:08:45] I don't know how they make something that has so many calories in it taste so light. It's incredible. And I even I went probably going to be like a crappy batch from like many hours ago." But it was

[3:09:00] like the freshest perfectest batch of Krispy Kremes I ever had. I just Oh man. It was so good. It was so good. That's pretty sweet. >> Yeah, I so I cheated like super hard earlier this week and then I punished

[3:09:14] earlier this week and then I punished myself on the Stairmaster. okay today. So clearly wasn't that bad. Yeah, pinch test Yeah, pinch test.

[3:09:26] Uh there's like dude, be I'm I'm closing in on 40 and there's like there's like won't go away anymore. >> just start to carry more weight. >> just start to carry more weight. >> It just sucks, man. It sucks.

[3:09:46] I've been losing decently consistently lately. I started with the knee problems. I sent you a little video of it. I started the the treadmill walks again. I have like a foldy treadmill that can unfold and go

[3:10:00] under my desk. Um and that's been pretty good. Part of that is just getting back that. >> Oh, yeah. Is annoying. because like I'll just be so laser in on work or whatever

[3:10:14] switch. Um but then once it's going I can stay on it for a while. Um Yeah. >> No, no. Dan was saying it's it's only

[3:10:28] 190. Yeah. Yeah, and I was just I was [laughter] in chat clarifying. It's 190 [laughter] in chat clarifying. It's 190 each. Yes. Yes, no. 190 each. That's actually way better than I would have expected.

[3:10:41] >> Uh let's see. McDouble calorie. You get a McDouble it's 400 calories. Yeah. So, I sat down and I ate four McDoubles in one sitting. Which That's >> Oh, no. We're not I'm not saying it's good. I'm not I'm saying like okay, if

[3:10:55] >> Dan seems to be trying to seems to be trying to rationalize my terrible >> I was surprised that like a donut is not McDonald's crazy thousand. I I try to go with medium to be to be

[3:11:12] pretty chill. 750 calories for a medium milkshake from McDonald's. Yeah, milkshakes are brutal. I love milkshakes. >> What about like a fries? >> But I just I almost never do it anymore.

[3:11:26] Sometimes I will share a milkshake with Yvonne if she has one, but I just I can't. A medium fries is 350 calories from And like who's getting medium? So, we're talking 560 calories for a large fries

[3:11:38] >> is a Canadian one. I'm sure the American size is bigger. Wouldn't be too surprised. So So it's like for you know, for that many fries you get a few donuts And I would. I think I would take three Krispy Kreme donuts.

[3:11:53] >> take three Krispy Kreme donuts over >> a lot Oh, McDonald's fries. Okay, if they're freshly fried though. Look, you guys have heard me dunk on McDonald's a lot of times on this show. Oh, sorry. [laughter] Sorry. AJ not not

[3:12:07] our AJ, but but FullTwangChat AJ. So I run an ice cream parlor. Our brownie >> [laughter] >> That's insane. That's insane. >> These numbers, like the fries and the

[3:12:21] saying like, "Oh, it's like surprising that it's only 190." Um eating 12 of them is One serving of eating 12 of them is One serving of McDonald's plain hamburger bun is 150

[3:12:34] This is what I'm saying. It's actually very surprising that it's that low. >> Probably cuz I I think the it's it's a cake one, right? So it's mostly like kind of air. It's pretty airy. Yeah. It's pretty airy. I haven't had one of

[3:12:47] Most of it probably comes from >> many years. Sugar rather than like fat. Anyway, you've heard me dunk on McDonald's a lot of times. But I am a fry enjoyer. McDonald's fries are Dude, when the

[3:13:02] >> fresh McDonald's fries Pretty good. Yeah, I I I'll just I'll eat them without even thinking about it. I I can't have them within reach. Like our kids don't eat McDonald's much, but when we do get it, I have to just put

[3:13:17] reach them cuz I'll just eat them all and they won't even get any. opinion for a hybrid motorcycle? What kind of miles per gallon or liters per

[3:13:33] kilometer target should it hit? Should it be feet forward or standard or sit it scooter style? That is totally >> [laughter] >> Personally,

[3:13:46] I do not have nor do I have any interest in a hybrid motorcycle. I I like my old in a hybrid motorcycle. I I like my old crappy 23-year-old bike from 2003. Um

[3:14:00] it makes motorsports noises which makes me happy, which normally I don't care about. I don't care about it for my go-kart. I don't care about it for my full-sized car. I just don't care about like like that type of engagement with

[3:14:15] the vehicle anywhere except my motorcycle. Um and the efficiency for me of a motorcycle is a lot less important than the efficiency in my life or a much larger vehicle in my life. Like

[3:14:30] little fuel. >> Like a van, right? Like a like a Honda Odyssey. Like a much larger vehicle like that. Um that. Um and so I just I can't I can't care too

[3:14:44] much about that. I also never ride very far. So comfort is not a major concern. So I I'm on like the street bike. I'm like all folded over the the handlebars and stuff. I'm the wrong person to ask is what I'm trying to say right now.

[3:14:59] Cuz the way I use my bike is just completely unaligned with your very practical concerns and I'm so sorry to give you such a non-answer. But at least give you such a non-answer. But at least it was a thorough and long one.

[3:15:15] Aloha LDL from Hawaii. What is your best component overheating story? My 6950 was hitting 114 due to cheap thermal paste. >> Oops. Thanks for selling PTM 7950.

[3:15:27] >> Yikes. I've I haven't really had a lot of tons story. I mean I I've definitely had some issues. There's been uh I mean

[3:15:40] I mean there's the multiple times that I've accidentally boiled water in a loop and uh therefore caused it to build pressure and explode tubing off of the >> [sighs] >> Like that's that's a thing cuz you run

[3:15:54] putting things together quickly. So if you don't have the fans running on a radiator because you know, whatever. If it runs for long enough the coolant will get hot. Maybe not

[3:16:07] maybe not like boiling boiling, but enough that you're getting pressure >> and I I've I've had that happen before. I I don't remember the specifics around it, but it's funny. I think I think everything lived. I

[3:16:20] anything like that cuz as long as it's clean water and you you get it off right away and you turn cut the power, uh you can actually can actually Harbor's very survivable. Like that Coke

[3:16:34] spilled Coke on the running machine and then we like cleaned it all and turned it back on. We didn't stage that. We don't fake stuff. don't fake stuff. That happened. It all lived. Yeah.

[3:16:48] when when Bingo Chronified posted that the MacBook Neo is funny. You had a 30%. >> Yeah. Uh was it Optimum Tech that did it? Some someone did it. Sorry. Um and it's it's a little more

[3:17:02] complicated than that. I haven't actually watched Optimum's video, um but I do know ETA Prime. Sorry. ETA Prime did it. Uh so I haven't watched ETA Prime's video and uh so I don't know exactly how they did it. Uh what I

[3:17:15] suspect is that it's really similar to the mod that we did back on the M1 MacBook way back in the day where you're just using the bottom of the chassis as a heat sink. So it's not not as simple as Apple is harder to stupid to to put

[3:17:29] I mean there's clearly a little bit of that, but it's not that they were too cheap to put in a thermal pad. It's that Apple has to follow guidelines for how hot the skin temperatures of the device can get. So they're not allowed to just

[3:17:43] put the CPU or SOC as it were heat directly into the bottom of the chassis temperatures if it was sitting on your lap. It sounds like Alex actually. Oh,

[3:17:56] just threw in a thermal pad. Oh, that's Um, I haven't watched the video, but he got a bunch of views on it. Heck but he got a bunch of views on it. Heck yeah. Cool. Um,

[3:18:08] know where it's at in the video, but you guys will have to just check it out. guys will have to just check it out. Nice. It gets Oh, cooling upgrade here.

[3:18:20] I'm just looking at it myself, but yeah, that's that's pretty sweet. I saw um, probably without this cooling upgrade that people were getting you know, with settings pretty low and whatnot, uh, but above 30 FPS in

[3:18:36] All right, Dan, want to hit us with another? Linus, did you get the Nomad No. Not you fix it video soon? No, I getting it working. I I did watch someone else's video getting one of them

[3:18:52] working. It's the highly involved. Um, it's it's >> talking about cuz he was muted. So what what device? Uh, Nomad MP3 player from the DankPods collab video. Yeah, we're we're not fixing that. It's just I don't

[3:19:06] care that much about it. I'm so sorry to the Nomad enthusiasts who wish that we I double pressed. Uh, a couple more here. Hello Linus, when your kids had a pure toddler meltdown, how did you and approach that?

[3:19:21] And did you de-stress afterwards? De-stress? was Uh pure toddler meltdown is one of those things that if you handle it right, you have to handle it only a few times. And

[3:19:36] um the bottom line is that you can only give positive reinforcement for behaviors that you want to see again. So, if a meltdown gets the slice of cake,

[3:19:48] you will see that behavior over and over and over and over again. And if a meltdown gets you seated on a bench outside the restaurant where you are within eye shot,

[3:20:01] but not allowed to participate, it might even be a little cold that night. You're less likely to see it again. And we we did have to go through meltdowns with all of our kids at one stage or another. And sometimes those battles

[3:20:15] the story on Wine Show before of the time that I was in an IKEA cafeteria for I think it was a total of three cycles of other people starting and finishing

[3:20:27] their meals while I sat there battling it out with this crying child over that bite. And she said, "No." And I said, "You don't understand. You will take another bite."

[3:20:42] And after that, there was no question because when I said, and it literally I brought this up the next time we we had a battle over food is I said, "You have to eat this broccoli." And she said, "No." And I said, "Okay, well, we can do

[3:20:56] it the way where you take the bite now and you eat the broccoli now, or we can do it the way we did it IKEA. Where you sat there and you cried for whatever it was, and you did take the bite. So, how do you want to do it?

[3:21:17] >> The tough part is you've you've got to be you've got to keep your cool. You yeah. You have to be you have to keep your cool in the moment because if you lose it and you threaten

[3:21:31] something that you're not willing to follow through on or that you shouldn't follow through on you've completely you've completely broken the system. You have to stay controlled and you have

[3:21:44] reasonable and that you will follow through on. Um yeah, it's a man, it's tough. for the Luke. You mentioned Forza Horizon earlier and

[3:21:59] I'm wondering if you've played any of the older For- Forza Horizon games. Two games. No, I've thought about going back actually because there was uh I think I originally wanted to get

[3:22:12] to be completely honest, I actually really did not like the drifting in off-road. I really really liked the off-road I really really liked the off-road drifting but the like on-track on-road

[3:22:25] kind of hated. Um it just felt like liquid. It didn't feel like it was I I don't want it to be an actual sim. I wasn't playing a Horizon for a sim um but it just it felt way too whack. Um

[3:22:44] even like Mario Kart drifting felt like it was more grounded in something that it was more grounded in something that made sense. Horizon games but yeah, I've never really got around to it. There was

[3:22:58] almost like too much content in Horizon 5 uh to the point where when I when I was done, I was just like okay, I think I'm going to take a break okay, I think I'm going to take a break from racing games for a little bit. Um

[3:23:13] Kart World. >> No, I don't like it. Oh, you don't like this? >> it's just worse than eight. I'm not necessarily saying it's bad.

[3:23:25] >> worse than eight. And it's not necessarily how it feels, but it's how like the game interacts with it, how it rewards it, when you should use it versus other things, stuff like that. Is it just cuz you're used to eight? It

[3:23:37] >> open to that as a possibility. >> I only ever played Mario Kart DS extensively and it's really close to DS. So, I was able to just pick it up and And I really don't like the drifting in eight. I mean, okay, fair enough.

[3:23:51] The Mario Kart drifting eight versus world is like insanely different than Horizon. The reason why I brought it up was because like in Mario Kart you can kind of like really feel the bite of the road as you're trying to drift. And in

[3:24:06] in in Horizon 5 and and some people uh corroborated this in Phil Ping Jet as well. In Horizon 5 when you take a drift car tuned for drifting and you take it on the road the road just might as well

[3:24:18] It's just like you're just kind of floating around. Like it's it's very I've been in cars while they were drifting. I've drifted in other games. Yeah. It's you're really kind of like

[3:24:32] fighting with the engine and the road so so to make yourself go around this thing. There's a lot of like force feedback. Like a lot of it. And in in do do do do do do do do do like it's just I don't know, it's weird. And

[3:24:44] that's why I actually preferred drifting off road was because fighting the like gravel and dirt or whatever actually ended up feeling a lot more legit than trying to drift on the on the actual asphalt. Yeah, Pancratis is saying

[3:24:58] weird with drift cars. Yeah, it feels really weird. It doesn't feel good. Um I I main thing with world wasn't how the game like rewarded and incentivized it more than anything else.

[3:25:12] but yeah. Well, I think that's all for now because I am busy playing vibes.fish and I have no further time for Wan Show.

[3:25:28] So, we will see you again next week. Same bad time, same bad channel. Oh, and also on another channel next week. Oh, yeah. So, go subscribe to LMG Clips cuz that's going to be the Wan Show channel. It'll

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