The Power Scaling Iceberg Explained

[00:00] quick who would win Spider-Man or link

[00:03] how about Captain America versus Batman

[00:05] or Gojo versus journo Power scaling is a

[00:09] controversial and complex form of media

[00:11] analysis but it's also one of my

[00:13] favorites for some people the only

[00:15] exposure to the Hobby is dorks on

[00:18] Twitter commenting don't care Goku

[00:20] Stomps under any post about another

[00:22] character but there's actually multiple

[00:25] large communities full of fun and

[00:27] thought-provoking conversation and that

[00:29] is the side of it that I want to share

[00:31] with you today this Iceberg will cover

[00:33] everything you'll need to know about the

[00:35] mechanics and Concepts behind power

[00:37] scaling as well as some of the more

[00:39] common debates memes and even some

[00:42] controversies getting more and more

[00:44] Niche the deeper we descend this is the

[00:47] power scaling

[00:54] Iceberg tier

[00:57] one these are simple Concepts and ideas

[01:00] that are very easy to grasp if you've

[01:02] ever seen anyone discuss who would win

[01:04] in a fight you've probably seen these

[01:06] terms thrown around power scaling power

[01:10] scaling is the comparison of different

[01:11] characters powers to discern which is

[01:14] likely to win in a hypothetical battle

[01:17] the basis of all power scaling is

[01:19] transitive relation I know that sounds

[01:21] big it's not if a is bigger than B and B

[01:26] is bigger than C then a is most likely

[01:29] bigger bigger than C it's that simple as

[01:32] an example we've seen that Naruto beats

[01:35] pain in a fight and pain beat Kakashi so

[01:39] even though they never fight at this

[01:40] point in the series we can determine

[01:42] that Naruto is stronger than Kakashi

[01:45] this also works with characters across

[01:47] different franchises instead of

[01:49] comparing who they've beaten a fight we

[01:51] compare their stats and what they've

[01:53] accomplished attack

[01:56] potency one of the most important stats

[01:58] to consider when power killing a

[02:00] character attack potency is just how

[02:02] much damage a character can do this

[02:04] might be from how they Punch Kick shoot

[02:07] a laser cast a spell whatever the point

[02:10] is how much damage can they do a lot of

[02:13] the time this will be measured literally

[02:14] and scientifically we see the Hulk punch

[02:17] through this wall made of concrete and

[02:19] after we do some math we know this punch

[02:21] is at least 100 Newtons of force much of

[02:25] the time power scalers develop shorthand

[02:27] for when they don't want to or can't

[02:29] calculate specifically how much force a

[02:32] character exerts something like kid

[02:34] Goku's Kamehameha blew up a car so we

[02:37] know his attack potency is at least car

[02:40] level this is less than super boy whose

[02:43] heat vision destroyed a building so he's

[02:45] building

[02:46] level

[02:48] durability durability is simple how much

[02:51] force can a character take before they

[02:53] pass out or die some characters have

[02:56] average human durability a single bullet

[02:58] from a handgun could would end them but

[03:01] stronger characters often take much more

[03:03] powerful attacks and aren't hurt at all

[03:06] Feats a feat is a citable example of a

[03:09] character showing one of their stats if

[03:12] all might punched so hard he created a

[03:15] tornado that is a strength feat and can

[03:17] be referenced in discussions about him

[03:19] as proof that his punches are at least

[03:22] that strong now sometimes people will

[03:25] discuss anti Feats or instances where a

[03:28] character looks particularly weak or

[03:30] Showcases of vulnerability this isn't

[03:32] super common but it does

[03:34] happen speed this is one that seems

[03:38] simple but is actually pretty

[03:39] complicated in some matchups at its core

[03:42] speed is calculated as distance traveled

[03:45] over time 10 mph a meter per second Etc

[03:51] where this gets complex is when you

[03:52] compare how fast the character runs to

[03:55] how quickly they can react to an

[03:57] incoming punch for example or or if

[04:00] their flying speed is actually faster

[04:02] than their running speed

[04:04] Etc one punch man onep punch man is a

[04:08] web comic Manga and Anime originally

[04:11] created by one who also authored mob

[04:13] psycho 100 the main character is saitama

[04:16] a superhero who is comically far more

[04:19] powerful than every other hero and

[04:21] villain in his series saitama frequently

[04:24] appears in versus debates and most

[04:26] people erroneously assume that he can

[04:28] win a fight against any any character

[04:30] out of all of fiction because that's his

[04:33] gimmick we'll get into why that's wrong

[04:35] a little later but for now all you need

[04:37] to know is that there's a sizable group

[04:39] of people who believe the one punch man

[04:41] is the strongest character in all of

[04:44] fiction

[04:46] range range is how far away a Target can

[04:49] be and still feel the effect of an

[04:51] attack a good example is the Punisher

[04:54] who has a range feet of just over 2

[04:56] miles sniping someone with a very

[04:59] powerful gun but instead of projectile

[05:02] attacks range could also be about how

[05:04] wide a character could spread a force

[05:06] field how far away someone can be and

[05:08] still have a telepathic connection Etc

[05:11] range is all about distance and how

[05:14] effective an ability is based on that

[05:16] distance

[05:19] stamina this is how long a character can

[05:22] last before they become exhausted a

[05:24] great example of this most people

[05:26] understand that Goku is far stronger and

[05:29] faster than Naruto but Goku's greatest

[05:32] battles typically last an hour or less

[05:35] while Naruto has battled non-stop for

[05:38] over 24 hours and still he's tossing out

[05:41] high level attacks at the end Naruto has

[05:43] more

[05:44] stamina

[05:46] intelligence how smart a character is

[05:49] but this actually has some important

[05:51] variance most people assume intelligence

[05:53] is about how good you are at math but

[05:56] there are many forms of intelligence

[05:58] Ingenuity or the ability to to come up

[06:00] with new ideas quickly and effectively

[06:02] is a very valuable type of intelligence

[06:04] in battles someone like Spider-Man has

[06:06] this in Spades but this is entirely

[06:09] different from kinesthetic intelligence

[06:11] or Mastery of the body characters like

[06:14] Goku or Gojo can perform complex and

[06:17] difficult martial arts after just seeing

[06:19] them once this is a very powerful form

[06:22] of intelligence that is completely

[06:24] separate from mathematical or logical

[06:27] reasoning Goku wins

[06:30] this refers to how sort of like there

[06:32] are those who think saitama is the

[06:34] strongest character ever there are a lot

[06:36] of people who think Goku is the

[06:38] strongest character ever and love to

[06:40] make sure everybody knows it they are

[06:43] wrong of course and usually they're just

[06:45] doing a little harmless trolling which

[06:46] is all in good fun but unfortunately

[06:49] these are the people who tend to make

[06:51] others disillusioned with power scaling

[06:53] and view the whole hobby as a brainless

[06:56] shouting match tier two

[07:01] this tier has some of the ideas and

[07:03] vernacular of those who have already

[07:05] engaged in a few debates

[07:09] bfr bfr or Battlefield removal is a

[07:13] potential win condition in some debates

[07:16] consider Superman is fighting The Hulk

[07:18] and instead of punching him really hard

[07:20] or using his heat vision Superman throws

[07:23] the Hulk into space now Hulk may be able

[07:26] to survive in space but he has no way of

[07:28] actually making it back to Earth to

[07:30] finish the fight even though he doesn't

[07:33] die Hulk still loses this fight because

[07:35] he was removed from the battlefield he

[07:38] was

[07:39] bfr environmental

[07:41] destruction this is a character's

[07:43] non-battle attack potency essentially

[07:46] when a character is so strong that they

[07:48] damage the world around them without

[07:50] intentionally attacking it maybe a

[07:53] character is constantly on fire like the

[07:55] Human Torch and just by standing still

[07:57] he burns the grass that he stands on how

[07:59] much damage he does passively to the

[08:01] environment can be used to add Credence

[08:04] to calculated attack potency or even

[08:07] describe why for instance Captain Cold's

[08:09] freeze gun wouldn't affect him

[08:13] Canon Canon is the concept of continuity

[08:16] or rather the idea that specific

[08:18] versions of characters exist with unique

[08:22] histories abilities and Feats once you

[08:25] understand the idea of Canon you can

[08:26] grasp that there are many different

[08:28] versions of a single character there's

[08:31] pre-crisis Superman post crisis Superman

[08:34] New 52 Superman rebirth Superman reev

[08:37] Superman caval Superman DC Au Superman

[08:41] and many others only then can you grasp

[08:45] how silly of a question Goku versus

[08:47] Superman really is well which versions

[08:50] are we talking about are we doing some

[08:52] sort of amalgamation how do you balance

[08:54] that sort of amalgamation and this is

[08:57] why people end up arguing in circles so

[09:00] many Debaters can't wrap their mind

[09:01] around the fact that there are different

[09:03] iterations of a single character which

[09:06] leads us to Goku versus

[09:09] Superman this is a debate that ravaged

[09:12] the internet for literal decades the

[09:14] Allure is obvious Superman is notorious

[09:17] for always being strong enough to defeat

[09:19] any villain he faces and Goku is the guy

[09:22] who always finds a way to get stronger

[09:24] and come out on top they're both aliens

[09:26] sent to Earth by their parents and end

[09:27] up becoming her greatest protector so of

[09:30] course people want to know which one can

[09:32] punch harder whole thing only got bigger

[09:34] when screw attack's death battle made

[09:36] two videos about the fight with Superman

[09:39] coming out on top both times this was

[09:41] highly controversial both times but

[09:44] we'll talk about death battle in a

[09:45] little bit blood lust this is a term

[09:48] used to describe a status that can be

[09:50] applied to characters in a matchup a

[09:53] bloodlusted character does not act how

[09:55] they normally would instead their

[09:58] personality is erased and they use their

[10:00] entire Arsenal immediately with the

[10:02] intent to kill their opponent this

[10:05] condition is usually used in battles

[10:07] with opponents who typically hold back

[10:09] considerably or those who are too

[10:12] good-natured to try to kill someone

[10:14] think Spider-Man Sonic the Hedgehog or

[10:17] deu

[10:19] noell to noell an attack it's sometimes

[10:22] called tanking is when a character's

[10:25] durability is high enough to take an

[10:27] attack directly and suffer AB absolutely

[10:29] no damage Batman's strongest punch would

[10:32] do nothing to Thor so Thor could noell

[10:36] Batman's punches speed Blitz this is

[10:40] when a character uses their

[10:41] significantly higher speed to take out

[10:44] an opponent before they even have a

[10:45] chance to react someone like the flash

[10:48] or Quicksilver could speed Blitz a

[10:50] character like Daredevil so arguing the

[10:52] fight any further would be

[10:54] redundant

[10:56] hacks hack is a term that comes from a h

[10:59] a cks hacks like you're playing an

[11:02] online game against someone and they're

[11:04] obviously hacking making the fight

[11:06] unfair hacks abilities are those that

[11:08] tend to ignore strength speed durability

[11:11] anything like that for example

[11:13] Spider-Man could obviously beat up

[11:15] Doctor Strange in a fist fight but not

[11:17] if Doctor Strange uses his magic hacks

[11:19] to send Spider-Man to a different

[11:21] dimension or turn him into Play-Doh or

[11:23] revert him back into a baby those are

[11:26] hacks abilities now some of these hacks

[11:28] have specific weaknesses although that

[11:30] tends to happen more often in anime and

[11:33] manga power levels power levels are a

[11:36] concept introduced in Dragon Ball Z it's

[11:39] over

[11:41] 9,000 where a character's strength speed

[11:44] and durability could all be neatly

[11:46] represented in a single number it's

[11:48] where the over 9,000 meme came from

[11:51] measuring a power level even though that

[11:53] was actually a translation error and it

[11:55] was 8,000 but whatever what most people

[11:57] don't get is that power level lels were

[11:59] deliberately introduced to show that

[12:01] with martial artists who wins in a fight

[12:04] comes down to more than just raw power

[12:07] and after the Frieza Saga these were

[12:09] phased out of the series but that didn't

[12:12] stop fans from speculation of what cells

[12:14] power level was or Super Saiyan 3 Goku

[12:18] and this rudimentary form of speculation

[12:20] gave way to what would become a lot of

[12:22] modernday power scaling Alien

[12:26] X Alien X is one of the many aliens that

[12:29] Ben Tennyson can transform into from the

[12:32] Ben 10 series the important thing to

[12:34] note is that he was popularized by Kuro

[12:37] the artist in a video called why Ben 10

[12:39] can beat Goku Superman and pretty much

[12:42] anyone in the video Alien X was gassed

[12:45] up to be completely undefeatable and I

[12:47] want to make note here that his powers

[12:49] are incredibly impressive he was even

[12:51] able to survive the destruction of the

[12:53] universe and then recreate and so most

[12:56] people considered him basically

[12:57] equivalent to God

[12:59] this isn't correct and some of the terms

[13:02] we'll get into later will explain why

[13:04] but the important thing here is that

[13:06] this cemented Alien X up there with Goku

[13:09] and saitama as a popular character for

[13:11] people to tout as the strongest in

[13:14] fiction

[13:16] multipliers a multiplier is a simple

[13:19] numerical value used to describe how

[13:22] much more powerful a character becomes

[13:24] whether it's after a Time skip or after

[13:26] a transformation the most well-known

[13:29] known multiplier is Super Saiyan which

[13:31] boosts the strength speed durability and

[13:34] attack potency of a character by 50

[13:37] times simple multipliers make

[13:39] extrapolating hypothetical Feats very

[13:42] easy if we know that Thor can lift 100

[13:46] tons and his belt of strength gives him

[13:48] a two times multiplier on his strength

[13:51] then we can calculate his max lift at

[13:53] 200 tons

[13:56] easy

[13:58] Stomp a stomp is when one character very

[14:01] very easily defeats their opponent

[14:04] because the matchup was unfair Rock Lee

[14:07] versus the Silver Surfer would be an

[14:10] obvious stomp as the Silver Surfer is so

[14:13] many magnitudes stronger faster and more

[14:16] versatile than Lee so he

[14:19] Stomps Death Battle Death Battle is a

[14:22] long running YouTube web series by screw

[14:25] attack and Rooster Teeth where The Two

[14:27] Hosts whiz and Bo stick power scale two

[14:30] characters and then watch them compete

[14:33] in a versus Battle ultimately declaring

[14:35] a Victor and explaining why they won

[14:38] death battle is a lot of fun to watch

[14:39] and has some really impressive

[14:41] animations sometimes but it's sort of

[14:43] notorious in more serious power scaling

[14:46] circles for how often they get things

[14:48] wrong they frequently use amalgamations

[14:51] of characters ignoring Cannon and

[14:54] confusing the parameters of the fight

[14:56] they also have a habit of rigging it so

[14:58] the less popular character wins even if

[15:01] they shouldn't all to stir up

[15:03] controversy and boost their views in the

[15:05] algorithm with all the angry comments

[15:07] they get and finally sometimes they just

[15:10] post easy Stomps that anyone with any

[15:13] knowledge of power scaling will know the

[15:15] outcome is going to be exactly what they

[15:17] think it is before the video even plays

[15:20] unfair matchups like The Flash versus

[15:22] Quicksilver ultimately death battle is

[15:25] fun but wrong very frequently even

[15:27] though some people treat it like gospel

[15:29] it's

[15:30] not tier

[15:34] three now we're getting to real

[15:36] Community Centric lingo if anyone throws

[15:39] around these terms they either consume

[15:41] power scaling content regularly or they

[15:43] do a little bit of it themselves this

[15:45] doesn't mean they know what they're

[15:46] talking about though so make sure to

[15:48] remember that

[15:51] fallacies a fallacy is a common belief

[15:54] or argument that is based in unsound or

[15:57] incorrect logic there are a lot of

[15:59] fallacies that are frequently used in

[16:01] power scaling debates but to give you an

[16:03] example one of the most common is ad

[16:06] hominin this is where you try to say

[16:08] someone is wrong and your evidence is an

[16:10] attack on the person not the actual

[16:13] character that they're debating about

[16:15] you could tell me that Batman could lift

[16:17] 10 tons and instead of disproving that I

[16:20] could just say that you're stupid and

[16:22] you don't shower enough you you stinky

[16:24] you smell these are insults not

[16:27] arguments and that makes them an ad

[16:30] homonym fallacy we'll get into plenty

[16:32] more fallacies further down the

[16:34] iceberg character induced

[16:37] stupidity this is when a character self-

[16:40] imposes restrictions or limitations on

[16:42] their abilities because they aren't

[16:44] smart enough to use them correctly a

[16:47] great example is denji from chainsaw man

[16:50] he can unlatch the chains on his saws

[16:52] and theoretically use them to swing

[16:54] around like Spider-Man but he never gets

[16:56] the idea so he doesn't do it

[17:00] Dimensions Dimensions or dimensional

[17:03] tearing is an important part of higher

[17:05] level power scaling debates first you

[17:08] need to know that there are three

[17:09] spatial Dimensions length width and

[17:12] height this is true in the real world in

[17:16] power scaling any character with an

[17:17] ability to affect two or more Dimensions

[17:20] is infinitely more powerful than a

[17:22] character that can only affect one

[17:24] dimension and so on so if a character

[17:27] could affect the fourth dimension with

[17:29] their raw strength or speed it can be

[17:31] inferred that they have more than

[17:34] infinite three-dimensional strength or

[17:37] speed it's important to note that this

[17:39] does not include hacks hacks are by

[17:42] Design special abilities that bypass

[17:44] typical physical limitations so

[17:46] affecting a higher dimension in that way

[17:48] does not mean you have an infinite stat

[17:51] in this

[17:52] Dimension Game

[17:54] mechanics a lot of times in video games

[17:56] the character will have wildly varying

[17:59] abilities depending on how the player

[18:01] chooses to play because I found a glitch

[18:04] that lets link travel across Hyrule in

[18:07] 1.6 seconds that doesn't mean Canon link

[18:10] can actually move at the speed of sound

[18:13] or however fast that would actually be

[18:15] in the same way sometimes video games

[18:17] have mechanics that let you do things

[18:20] that don't make sense in the world good

[18:22] example of this is inventory if I wanted

[18:25] to scale Minecraft Steve I probably

[18:28] wouldn't take into account the fact that

[18:29] you could completely fill up his

[18:31] inventory with gold ingots and he would

[18:33] technically be carrying an entire

[18:35] planet's weight in metal around with him

[18:38] these game mechanics are usually ignored

[18:40] when scaling

[18:42] characters this

[18:44] one uh this is a word that is British

[18:48] slang for a very specific form of self

[18:54] massage yeah that probably won't get age

[18:57] restricted if I phrase it that way

[18:58] basically in power scaling this means to

[19:01] overe exaggerate a character's abilities

[19:04] intentionally or not to make them seem

[19:06] stronger than they actually are

[19:08] sometimes people will do this by using

[19:10] fallacies and other times their math is

[19:12] just wrong if done unintentionally this

[19:15] can be really annoying but it can be a

[19:17] ton of fun if you're just goofing around

[19:19] and seeing how strong you can make a

[19:21] character while using a bunch of logical

[19:24] fallacies for a good example check out

[19:26] this episode of my podcast where we

[19:28] debated stiltman versus Big Wheel I

[19:31] promise it's pretty funny

[19:34] lowball so this is the opposite of the

[19:36] previous one to lowball a character or

[19:39] feat is to assume the weakest possible

[19:42] version let's say Superman punches a

[19:45] building apart a lowball estimate would

[19:48] assume the building was only as big as

[19:50] we saw and that it was made of weak

[19:53] materials but a high ball would assume

[19:56] the building is taller than we actually

[19:58] saw and was made a very durable metal or

[20:00] something the lowball is the safest and

[20:03] most reasonable argument when gauging

[20:06] something standard

[20:08] equipment do you know how Canon

[20:10] describes different versions of

[20:12] characters well individual versions of

[20:14] characters can also differ quite a bit

[20:17] depending on their equipment I could say

[20:20] MCU Tony Stark specifically in Iron Man

[20:23] 2 but in that movie he wears like three

[20:26] different armors standard equipment is a

[20:29] term that means the character only has

[20:31] at their disposal what they usually do

[20:34] in most stories standard equipment

[20:37] Batman will definitely have batarangs

[20:39] and a grapple gun but probably will not

[20:41] have the bat shark repellent he keeps

[20:44] around specifically in his

[20:47] watercraft

[20:49] jobbing when a character jobs they lose

[20:52] a fight they should normally win this

[20:55] tends to happen in order to make a new

[20:57] villain look stronger but sometimes it's

[21:00] due to a character induced stupidity uh

[21:03] maybe it's just bad writing that's also

[21:05] a possibility great example is Vegeta he

[21:08] jobs in basically every fight he gets

[21:11] into always finding some way to lose so

[21:14] Goku can show up and win in versus

[21:17] debates jobbing is taken into account to

[21:19] invalidate stupid anti Feats like that

[21:23] one time flash got knocked out by

[21:25] Catwoman that was the Flash jobbing and

[21:28] should be assumed he normally would not

[21:30] lose in a fight against

[21:32] Catwoman flying

[21:35] brick a flying brick is a term used to

[21:38] describe Superman type characters very

[21:41] strong very fast nearly indestructible

[21:44] and very strong notable flying bricks

[21:47] include Superman Thor Goku omn Man

[21:50] Captain Marvel the Sentry

[21:54] Etc

[21:56] scans a scan is an image of a comic or

[21:59] Manga page usually a specific panel used

[22:02] to demonstrate a point often someone

[22:05] will ask for a scan of something that

[22:07] seems unreasonable if you told me

[22:09] Spider-Man has said he could beat The

[22:11] Hulk in a fight I would ask for a scan

[22:13] of that conversation for you to prove it

[22:17] Buster so this one has two meanings but

[22:20] they're towards the same point Iron Man

[22:23] is known for crafting countless

[22:24] different armors some of which are

[22:26] specifically designed to de beat a

[22:28] single opponent the Hulk Buster is the

[22:31] most obvious example but he has built a

[22:33] Thor Buster as well more generally the

[22:36] term Buster means the ability to defeat

[22:39] or destroy characters will often be

[22:41] called City Busters or Planet Busters

[22:45] this is shorthand this means that they

[22:46] have the attack potency to destroy a

[22:49] city or a planet I don't need to debate

[22:51] if freza could beat might guy Frieza is

[22:55] a known planet Buster and guy isn't you

[22:58] can get into all the details but that

[22:59] shorthand makes it really

[23:02] simple

[23:04] suppression a character will supress

[23:07] their full potential and fight in a

[23:09] weaker State most of the time and this

[23:11] is known as suppression there are a lot

[23:14] of reasons for this in Dragon Ball the

[23:16] saans enjoy battle and they purposely

[23:19] start off fully suppressed and work

[23:21] their way up to max power sometimes

[23:23] suppression is character induced

[23:25] stupidity but other times it makes sense

[23:28] maybe going all out drains the

[23:30] character's life away or makes them

[23:31] weaker over

[23:33] time Batman with prep this one is a meme

[23:37] essentially because Batman has so many

[23:40] contingency plans for all these

[23:42] different scenarios there are a lot of

[23:44] people that think with enough prep time

[23:45] he could defeat literally anyone a lot

[23:48] of this stems from the fact that he did

[23:50] manage to craft a bullet capable of

[23:52] killing dark side which is a crazy feat

[23:55] but that doesn't make him Unstoppable

[23:57] also this one is kind of silly because

[23:59] there's no way to calculate the

[24:01] effectiveness of prep time like I don't

[24:04] know would he lose to Thor with a minute

[24:06] of prep time but two minutes oh he would

[24:08] win he's going to beat the God of

[24:10] Thunder

[24:11] easy

[24:13] solos okay this one is my biggest pet

[24:17] peeve to Solo in a fight Means A Single

[24:21] Character defeats many opponents by

[24:24] himself that is what solo means one

[24:27] alone so if I put up a picture of 10

[24:30] Shonen characters and ask who wins and

[24:33] you said Goku solos that means Goku

[24:36] could beat everyone there all at once by

[24:40] himself that is the right way to use the

[24:42] word the wrong way is just

[24:45] interchangeable with winning like omn

[24:48] man versus homelander oh omn man solos

[24:52] no no no no he doesn't solo it's a

[24:55] one-on-one fight what would soloing a

[24:57] one-on one fight even mean it's

[25:00] ridiculous people just use words without

[25:02] any clue what they mean please if you

[25:05] take anything from this video just know

[25:07] that soloing is when one character beats

[25:10] many characters it's not just synonymous

[25:12] with

[25:13] winning lifting strength versus striking

[25:17] strength this one is simple but a lot of

[25:19] people get it mixed up tell me who's

[25:21] stronger Mike Tyson or Arnold

[25:24] Schwarzenegger the correct answer is

[25:27] both Arnold could lift more weight but

[25:30] Tyson can punch a lot harder the two are

[25:33] not mutually exclusive so when people

[25:36] discuss strength it's important to know

[25:38] that lifting strength and striking

[25:40] strength are related but they're not

[25:42] interchangeable in the same way who's

[25:45] faster Bruce Lee or Usain Bolt obviously

[25:49] Lee can fight faster but bolt can run

[25:52] faster fighting speed and travel speed

[25:55] are different stats too and should be

[25:57] measured separately if you want to

[25:59] measure fighting speed well that leads

[26:01] us into our next one reactions and

[26:04] perceptions essentially this is how

[26:06] quickly a character can see something

[26:08] coming and react to it either by

[26:10] blocking it dodging countering whatever

[26:14] in the real world reaction speeds are

[26:16] limited to three things number one the

[26:19] speed of light we cannot react to

[26:21] something before we see it number two

[26:23] are neurons it takes time for our eyes

[26:26] to Signal our brain that something is

[26:27] coming and number three actual reaction

[26:31] time this is based on training and you

[26:33] can get better at it a lot of boxers

[26:35] instinctually Dodge punches but most

[26:37] people would just get smacked in the

[26:39] face by a similar attack in fictional

[26:41] worlds all three of these limitations

[26:44] are malleable characters can often see

[26:47] things that move faster than light even

[26:49] though they shouldn't be able to see

[26:50] anything at all this is all part of the

[26:53] suspension of disbelief but it's

[26:55] important to know when gauging reaction

[26:57] times

[26:59] Goku's Universal

[27:01] punch this refers to a clash between

[27:04] Goku and beerus at the start of Dragon

[27:06] Ball super it's sort of Infamous because

[27:09] before Super Dragon Ball characters were

[27:11] usually scaled to solar system or Galaxy

[27:14] level at the very high end but after

[27:17] sharing a strike that threatened to

[27:18] destroy the entire universe including

[27:21] the entire universe sized Realm Of

[27:24] Heaven as well Dragon Ball scaling was

[27:27] thrown into an entirely different realm

[27:29] of power a lot of people like to

[27:31] downplay it because they find the scale

[27:33] so impossibly large and of course there

[27:36] are others that assume this meant Goku

[27:38] was all powerful they were all wrong and

[27:41] it led to a lot of discussion respect

[27:44] thread this is a collection of a

[27:46] character's Feats neatly compiled for

[27:49] easy reference usually with links to a

[27:51] scan of each feet the point of a respect

[27:54] thread is to make future debates easier

[27:57] with a quick place to look for

[27:59] everything you might need to know about

[28:00] a character for example a thread titled

[28:03] respect Hokage Naruto would outline all

[28:07] of Naruto's abilities as an adult with

[28:09] scans for his strength speed attack

[28:12] potency hacks

[28:14] Etc tier

[28:17] four slightly more Niche and slightly

[28:20] more complex this is where Petty

[28:22] arguments begin to turn into long essays

[28:25] in the YouTube and Reddit comments but

[28:27] if you like like that sort of thing

[28:29] let's

[28:30] go

[28:32] hyperbole hyperbole is essentially

[28:35] outrageous exaggeration in the context

[28:38] of power scaling this refers to

[28:40] character statements and guide book

[28:42] descriptions that tend to really

[28:44] exaggerate things in order to get the

[28:46] viewer all hyped up notable examples

[28:49] include Shonen Jump ads describing every

[28:52] single new Dragon Ball movie or game as

[28:55] the most powerful battle in history or a

[28:58] certain Naruto guide book that said part

[29:01] one Kakashi was omnipotent with his

[29:04] shingon which is clearly not true and if

[29:06] you don't really know what omnipotent

[29:08] means don't worry that's in the next

[29:10] tier

[29:12] inconsistencies this refers to a

[29:14] character or ability behaving

[29:17] differently at points in the story even

[29:19] though it shouldn't maybe Daredevil is

[29:21] normally fast enough to dodge gunfire

[29:24] but someone smacks him with a baseball

[29:25] bat and it's never explained why these

[29:28] sorts of things are common in Long

[29:30] running comics and shows and need to be

[29:32] considered when discussing versus

[29:34] battles plot induced stupidity so you

[29:38] know that character induced stupidity is

[29:40] when a character doesn't act in the

[29:42] optimal way because they're kind of dumb

[29:44] well plot induced stupidity is when a

[29:46] character doesn't act in the optimal way

[29:49] even though they should be smart enough

[29:51] to know better this is basically just

[29:53] bad writing plot and do stupidity or p

[29:58] is important to point out when

[30:00] discussing a character's intelligence

[30:01] because maybe they're usually smarter

[30:04] than how they act in these weird one-off

[30:07] instances

[30:09] FTL FTL stands for faster than light and

[30:14] a shorthand for describing how fast a

[30:16] character can go I'll briefly go over

[30:18] the other categories subsonic means

[30:22] slower than the speed of sound or about

[30:24] 760 mph Sonic is the speed of sound

[30:29] Hypersonic is five times the speed of

[30:31] sound from there we have a really really

[30:34] big gap then we get to relativistic

[30:38] which means approaching the speed of

[30:39] light basically anything a tenth the

[30:42] speed of light or more is considered

[30:45] relativistic then we have FTL and

[30:49] finally mftl or much faster than the

[30:52] speed of light they're actually even

[30:54] faster tiers we'll talk about later but

[30:57] these cover 9 9% of characters that

[30:59] you'll see talked about area of

[31:03] effect so you understand attack potency

[31:06] right how strong your attack is how much

[31:08] it can destroy area of effect is a term

[31:11] that relates to potency Superman might

[31:14] punch doomsday with enough Force to

[31:17] shatter the Earth but then why doesn't

[31:19] the Earth actually shatter it's because

[31:22] the area of effect is limited to

[31:24] Doomsday's face all that Force isn't

[31:27] being spread to the planet this is why

[31:30] characters in a lot of anime like Dragon

[31:33] Ball for example don't shatter the

[31:35] Galaxy every time they

[31:37] Spar

[31:39] Universe a universe is an infinite 3D

[31:43] Space Bound by a single dimension of

[31:45] time when characters are described as

[31:48] crossing a universe instantly or

[31:50] destroying a universe remember from our

[31:52] section on Dimensions that this means

[31:55] they have an infinite 3D stat

[31:58] although they might just barely be

[32:00] brushing into 4D because there are so

[32:03] many different ideas floating around in

[32:05] fiction some universes are distinctly

[32:08] finite not infinite or maybe they're

[32:11] bound to different Realms like Heavens

[32:14] Hells different planes magical Pockets

[32:17] the thing that binds all these places

[32:19] together is that they exist on the same

[32:22] timeline they make up one Universe

[32:25] stepping outside of that and we get into

[32:27] a Multiverse which I will discuss later

[32:30] no

[32:32] powers this one is a meme it's a common

[32:35] occurrence for someone on Twitter to pit

[32:37] two characters against each other but

[32:40] with the caveat that they don't have the

[32:42] powers they normally have usually though

[32:45] we have no way of actually determining

[32:47] what this means would no powers Goku

[32:50] simply have no key control would he

[32:53] still be bulletproof and super strong

[32:55] because that comes from Saiyan

[32:57] physiology or what about Daredevil would

[32:59] he fight like he could see but he didn't

[33:02] have his radar sense we have no earthly

[33:05] idea which is why these fights are

[33:07] usually pretty silly and there isn't any

[33:09] sort of distinct

[33:11] answer magic system a magic system is

[33:15] the specific functions and rules of a

[33:17] particular franchise for example Naruto

[33:20] has chakra and the characters in the

[33:23] universe use chakra in all sorts of

[33:25] different ways chakra is distinctly

[33:27] different from bending which is the

[33:29] magic system from Avatar the Last air

[33:31] bender and then some universes have

[33:34] multiple different Power Systems one

[33:36] piece has devil fruits but they also

[33:39] have hockey JoJo has hamon and it also

[33:42] has

[33:43] stands burden of proof

[33:46] fallacy this is a fallacy where someone

[33:49] makes a claim let's say gone freaks is

[33:52] faster than lightning and when asked to

[33:55] prove it they turn around and say no no

[33:57] no no no you prove he's not faster than

[34:00] lightning this is wrong the person who

[34:03] makes a claim must be able to prove it

[34:06] either with a scan a statement or a

[34:08] scale that shows G really is faster than

[34:12] lightning every Pokemon versus one

[34:15] trillion

[34:16] Lions this is the closest most people

[34:19] get to doing any power scaling as it's a

[34:21] popular question on Twitter and for

[34:23] streamers to debate about usually they

[34:26] end up using a bunch of f IES and just

[34:29] horrible math but it's all for jokes and

[34:31] shouldn't be taken too seriously uh for

[34:33] anyone wondering the Pokémon win and it

[34:35] isn't even a little

[34:37] close word of

[34:39] God word of God is a term used to

[34:42] describe an author's statement about a

[34:44] story that wasn't actually shown inside

[34:46] the story if hirohiko arachi said that

[34:50] joro's star plattinum could punch with

[34:53] the force of the Big Bang but it's

[34:55] clearly never shown him doing that any

[34:57] in JoJo that would be considered word of

[35:00] God on the flip side death of the author

[35:04] is a common literary criticism that

[35:06] basically says the author's comments

[35:09] outside the work itself shouldn't be

[35:11] considered and you should judge the

[35:13] story on its own merits at the end of

[35:16] the day it doesn't matter which Camp you

[35:18] fall into as long as you agree on one

[35:21] before you engage in any

[35:23] debates reality

[35:25] warping this is a subset of hacks

[35:28] abilities that specifically involves

[35:30] altering the nature of reality to your

[35:32] will you might have a weak reality

[35:35] warping ability like you can change the

[35:37] color of something or maybe you have a

[35:39] very strong reality warping ability like

[35:42] you can turn people into candy whatever

[35:45] it may be these are basically considered

[35:47] magic hacks and tend to bypass

[35:49] durability unless otherwise proven not

[35:52] to Sailor

[35:55] Moon Sailor Moon popular magical girl

[35:58] anime icon from the 9s is on this list

[36:01] because most people have no idea exactly

[36:04] how powerful she is to put it briefly

[36:06] she is much faster than the speed of

[36:08] light capable of destroying Dimensions

[36:10] has hacks that can let her time travel

[36:13] survive the destruction of a universe

[36:15] and exist outside a fourth-dimensional

[36:17] time space and actually recreate the

[36:20] entire universe not long after she's

[36:22] insanely

[36:24] powerful

[36:26] Kirby much like Moon Kirby is a cute and

[36:29] innocent character that's secretly

[36:31] extremely powerful for anyone willing to

[36:33] do a little scaling Kirby has punched

[36:36] enemies across planets cracked worlds

[36:38] with his 200 million Megaton punches

[36:41] escaped black holes and survive small

[36:45] supernovas and all of this is with the

[36:47] big asterisk Kirby is a baby star child

[36:50] meaning that his powers are roughly

[36:52] equivalent to how much weaker a baby

[36:54] human is to an adult theoretically adult

[36:58] Kirby would likely be a multiversal

[37:00] reality warper with fourth-dimensional

[37:02] attack

[37:05] potency Seth the

[37:07] programmer this is going to be a long

[37:09] one uh Seth is a very notorious member

[37:12] of the power scaling Community

[37:14] especially recently he was well known

[37:17] across the internet for his toxic and

[37:19] edgy interactions with people always

[37:21] trying to go others into debates and

[37:23] just steamroll them he would debate

[37:26] Dragon Ball Naruto com iics he'd also

[37:28] talk about politics philosophy the age

[37:31] of consent anything as long as he felt

[37:34] he could win the argument and he was

[37:36] just about as sore a winner as you could

[37:38] get the thing is when he wasn't debating

[37:41] in Discord he would actually make some

[37:43] pretty informative YouTube videos and

[37:45] had a lot of great collaborations with

[37:47] other power scalers Chuck swag KAG six

[37:51] noodles uh king of lightning there's a

[37:54] ton of them he was super entertaining

[37:57] but he love to play up this villain

[37:59] Persona where he would mock his fans

[38:01] call them losers virgins Flex how much

[38:04] money he makes and just generally act

[38:06] like a huge jerk he really only stopped

[38:09] getting away with it when Clyde his

[38:11] former friend and collaborator dropped a

[38:14] big video explaining why he stopped

[38:16] working with Seth it detailed a lot of

[38:20] horrible things Seth had done

[38:22] manipulating people lying trash talking

[38:25] backstabbing defrauding his patreon

[38:26] supporters basically anything he could

[38:29] do to Lord his power over others and

[38:32] this included some very sketchy

[38:34] interactions with miners Seth since

[38:37] dropped a big explainer about how that

[38:39] was misconstrued and how he never did

[38:42] anything explicit and though most of the

[38:44] internet abandoned him a chunk of his

[38:46] followers are still around here's the

[38:48] thing Seth really did his best to focus

[38:52] the entirety of this controversy on this

[38:55] brush with the minor which he could you

[38:58] know mostly disprove rather easily but

[39:00] in doing so he shoved a lot of the other

[39:02] stuff under the rug where he wouldn't

[39:04] need to address it but I will spell it

[39:07] all out here for you very simply Seth

[39:09] the programmer is extremely insecure he

[39:12] craves the validation of his fans and

[39:14] the people who think they're his friends

[39:16] and when he's feeling bad he dumps on

[39:18] them to lift himself up he didn't write

[39:21] or edit the vast majority of his best

[39:23] videos and many of the really good

[39:25] scales he used were divised by other

[39:27] people and he took all the credit he's

[39:30] an egotist but he's also a huge fraud a

[39:33] liar and a massive hypocrite and if this

[39:35] seems like I'm being super harsh and

[39:37] mean it's because I actually really used

[39:39] to like Seth a lot back when I was an

[39:42] edgy teenager um he's actually pretty

[39:44] sharp and really good at debate um but

[39:47] everything about him is toxic and after

[39:49] getting a peak behind the curtain and

[39:51] learning how he begs his friends for

[39:53] validation while acting to the public

[39:56] like some match Mo Uber mench I really

[40:00] just kind of pity him now here's hoping

[40:02] he actually get some help instead of

[40:04] pretending like nothing

[40:07] happened tier

[40:11] five okay we're getting into bigger

[40:13] ideas now sci-fi jargon and theoretical

[40:17] physics are pretty much the norm from

[40:18] here on out so buckle

[40:21] up

[40:23] omnipotence omnipotence is someone who

[40:27] is is all powerful what's important to

[40:29] note is that this is in the most literal

[40:31] sense an omnipotent character can do

[40:34] literally anything in any dimension in

[40:37] any place in any way that they want

[40:40] there is no limit to how much they can

[40:42] lift how fast they can go how hard they

[40:44] can hit it is the maximum across the

[40:47] board can an omnipotent character create

[40:50] a stone so heavy that he couldn't lift

[40:53] it yes doesn't matter that that doesn't

[40:55] make sense it doesn't need to to he's

[40:58] omnipotent of course a lot of Time

[41:01] characters who are very powerful will be

[41:03] described as omnipotent but they

[41:05] actually are not um we'll get into a few

[41:07] of them later but for now just know that

[41:09] those are mostly

[41:12] hyperbole

[41:14] outliers an outlier is a feat or an anti

[41:17] feat for a character that doesn't make

[41:20] sense when their other Feats are taken

[41:22] into consideration for example if Batman

[41:25] can usually lift 500 lb but in one

[41:28] single issue from 1972 he can lift 2,000

[41:33] lb that is an outlier because there are

[41:36] so many more instances where he can lift

[41:38] 500 we consider the 2,000 lb feet to be

[41:42] an outlier and we ignore it now some

[41:44] people will consider rarely presented

[41:47] abilities to be outliers but that's

[41:49] different a feat is only an outlier if

[41:52] it is regularly contradicted not if it

[41:55] just doesn't get referenced all that

[41:56] often

[41:59] Association

[42:00] fallacy this is a fallacy where someone

[42:03] draws a false conclusion just because

[42:05] two characters are associated for

[42:08] example deu from my hero Academia was

[42:11] able to beat the villain muscular and

[42:13] because AA is in class 1a along with deu

[42:17] he could also beat muscular this is

[42:20] wrong gravitational binding energy this

[42:24] is the amount of energy it would take to

[42:26] completely disperse a Celestial body or

[42:29] effectively overcome the force of

[42:31] gravity keeping it together this means

[42:34] planets moons large asteroids and stars

[42:37] it's calculated with this equation where

[42:40] U is the force we're looking for in

[42:42] Jewels G is the gravitational constant m

[42:46] is the mass of the planet and R is its

[42:48] radius the calculation for stars is only

[42:51] slightly different as it also includes

[42:53] the value n which is the polytropic

[42:56] value basically it says what kind of

[42:59] star it is white dwarf red giant Etc uh

[43:02] these are equations that tell us exactly

[43:05] how strong a feet is in a measurable

[43:08] number

[43:10] Multiverse a Multiverse is a fifth

[43:13] dimensional time space that contains any

[43:16] multitude of four dimensional universes

[43:19] each individual Universe in a Multiverse

[43:22] has infinite time and space so a

[43:24] character who can affect more than an

[43:26] enti entire universe with their attack

[43:28] potency has edged into multiversal

[43:32] destructive

[43:33] capability Universal Energy System we

[43:37] talked about Power Systems earlier

[43:39] essentially the way magic Works inside a

[43:42] fictional Universe the universal Energy

[43:45] System is one of three ways to classify

[43:48] magic systems it basically means that if

[43:50] a character has a supernatural power

[43:53] like shooting a laser or firing a spell

[43:56] then there other stats would be roughly

[43:58] analogous the energy system is universal

[44:02] Goku's Kamehameha is in the same tier of

[44:05] power as one of his punches as well as

[44:08] his level of durability if a character

[44:10] blows up a star you can assume they'd

[44:12] probably survive a star exploding too

[44:15] the second type is a nonphysical Energy

[44:19] System this is basically the opposite so

[44:21] a character may have a fire spell or

[44:23] something that could blow up a building

[44:25] but that is in no way evidence that they

[44:28] could survive a building that blows up

[44:30] their magical Feats and their physical

[44:32] stats are not related but their magical

[44:35] Feats are assumed to be related so if

[44:38] your fire spell is building level your

[44:40] wind spell is probably also building

[44:43] level and finally we have a limited

[44:46] Energy System this is where you don't

[44:48] assume anything is related nothing is

[44:50] analogous so a character may use magic

[44:53] sometimes and Technology other times and

[44:56] their Feats with e either are not

[44:57] assumed to be proportional nor do they

[45:00] scale to physical stats every single

[45:02] thing is

[45:04] separate appeal to motive

[45:07] fallacy this is a fallacy where you

[45:09] attack the person arguing instead of the

[45:12] argument but instead of AD homonym this

[45:15] one isn't an insult instead you attack

[45:19] their motive you only think Sasuke beats

[45:22] Naruto because you're an ucha Fanboy

[45:26] that's an appeal ultimotive fallacy and

[45:28] it's not a legitimate

[45:30] argument weak

[45:32] homelander so this one was a meme on

[45:34] Twitter for a while and it's pretty

[45:36] funny in the Amazon series The Boys the

[45:39] most powerful soup is homelander a

[45:42] flying brick and dark parody of Superman

[45:45] the joke is that while he's the

[45:47] strongest inside the boys Universe he's

[45:49] actually quite weak when you scale him

[45:51] against other fictional verses it's

[45:53] funniest when you know how much of a

[45:56] vile monster he is and he loses handily

[45:59] to the most sweet and innocent

[46:01] characters like Kirby deu or

[46:04] tanero galatis

[46:07] hunger in Marvel Comics galatis is a

[46:10] living force of nature that consumes

[46:13] worlds eating planets to maintain the

[46:16] correct level of entropy Across the

[46:18] Universe because he absorbs the powers

[46:21] of these planets his power actually

[46:23] varies depending on how long it's been

[46:26] since he last at a planet and so in

[46:29] versus battles people will often specify

[46:32] full galatis or starving galatis or

[46:35] mildly hungry galatis it's kind of funny

[46:38] so there were some memes about okay

[46:41] could Thanos be galatis if he had like a

[46:43] late brunch but no dinner yet and it's

[46:45] already 700 p.m. funny stuff like that

[46:49] astral

[46:50] resistance this is the ability of a

[46:52] character to defend against attacks made

[46:55] not to the minder by body but the soul

[46:58] or Spirit a character with strong astral

[47:01] resistance could tank the forced

[47:03] projection attack Doctor Strange does uh

[47:06] where he knocks your soul out of your

[47:07] body they would get hit and nothing

[47:09] would happen or like in Dragon Ball

[47:12] where hakai attacks destroy the body and

[47:15] the Soul surviving one would prove you

[47:17] have a high level of Astral

[47:20] durability [ __ ] second an [ __ ] second is

[47:24] a very very very very very very short

[47:28] amount of time it's used to calculate

[47:30] speed Feats by characters like Sonic or

[47:33] the flash who are just ridiculously

[47:36] nonsensically fast in case you're

[47:38] wondering an addcond is equal to one

[47:42] quintillionth of a regular second put

[47:44] another way the number of addos seconds

[47:47] in a normal second is the same as the

[47:49] number of normal seconds in about 30

[47:52] billion years and the Flash has stated

[47:55] that he's able to proceive

[47:57] and understand events that happen in

[47:59] less than an add second yeah chew on

[48:02] that Squirrel

[48:05] Girl Squirrel Girl is a Marvel Superhero

[48:08] real named Doran green who has the

[48:11] ability to control an army of squirrels

[48:13] she's sort of Infamous in power scaling

[48:15] because she tends to only show up in

[48:17] stories and One-Shot the villain just

[48:20] overwhelming them with a mountain of

[48:22] squirrels they may not that may not seem

[48:24] like a big deal uh if she fought like

[48:26] King pin or modok or something but she's

[48:29] beat Thanos galatis Dr Doom just with

[48:35] squirrels the one above all and the

[48:39] presence the one above all is the god of

[48:42] the Marvel Universe and the presence is

[48:44] the god of the DC Universe now I don't

[48:47] mean a god like Thor or Zeus or dark

[48:50] side I mean capital G God omnipotent all

[48:54] powerful unmatched they exist above all

[48:58] other beings in every dimension in their

[49:00] respective cannons and are usually

[49:02] referenced whenever someone is talking

[49:04] about a truly omnipotent character if

[49:07] you're wondering what would happen if

[49:08] they fought each other it's the exact

[49:10] same thing that would happen if they

[49:11] fought any other true omnipotent

[49:14] instantaneous and eternal stalemate kind

[49:18] of anticlimactic

[49:20] huh Stan Lee

[49:22] argument this refers to a popular clip

[49:25] of Stan Lee discussing discing a

[49:27] question he frequently got from fans

[49:29] which character would win in a fight and

[49:31] his response is that the writer decides

[49:34] who wins and that's that arguing about

[49:37] it is completely pointless and so many

[49:39] people use this to describe power

[49:41] scaling as pointless or inherently

[49:44] stupid but here's the thing I don't

[49:46] think Stan Lee was right not exactly see

[49:50] he was a writer it was his job to tell

[49:53] stories and make them entertaining so if

[49:55] you asked him who win between Spider-Man

[49:58] and Iron Man his gut reaction isn't to

[50:01] start doing math but instead to concoct

[50:03] a story where the two of them would have

[50:05] a reason to fight and then figure out a

[50:07] way to make that fight fun to read maybe

[50:10] Spider-Man is tweaking the Shocker

[50:12] gauntlets after he got in the tough and

[50:14] then he ends up using them to take down

[50:16] Tony that's not cold calculated versus

[50:19] Battle it's an exciting story if you

[50:22] don't believe me take a look at this

[50:24] Stanley might not like ranking

[50:26] characters by power but there are a ton

[50:28] of official Marvel panels that power

[50:31] scale the characters for us like this

[50:33] one here which shows us seven popular

[50:35] Heroes and tells us exactly what their

[50:38] maximum lifting strength is enough

[50:42] said all right that's the end of tier

[50:44] five we're halfway through this Iceberg

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[51:21] right back to the

[51:23] iceberg tier six

[51:28] in this tier we're talking about more

[51:30] than just two characters fighting but

[51:32] instead larger groups and more nuanced

[51:35] competitions things are getting kind of

[51:39] complicated attack name

[51:41] fallacy this is a fallacy that asserts

[51:44] an attack does exactly what it's named

[51:47] for example Vegeta has The Big Bang

[51:50] Attack it's pretty easy to tell that

[51:52] this actually doesn't have the force of

[51:54] the Big Bang behind it or de's 1 million

[51:58] per smash word of God later clarified

[52:01] that the 1 million per was simply

[52:03] hyperbole deu was using it to psych

[52:06] himself up it wasn't actually 10,000

[52:09] times stronger than his maximum so if

[52:11] anyone wants to tell you that cyborg is

[52:14] really firing a million DB from his

[52:17] million DCB sound Cannon you can tell

[52:19] them that's the attack name

[52:22] fallacy the kardashev scale this this is

[52:26] a scale used to calculate a

[52:28] civilization's technological development

[52:31] it's all centered around how efficiently

[52:33] they can capture and use energy at the

[52:36] bottom are subtype one these are

[52:39] civilizations unable to completely

[52:41] capture and store the energy of a planet

[52:43] that would be us humans in real life we

[52:46] may be able to harness some geothermal

[52:49] and wind power but not up to 100%

[52:52] efficiency then we have type one who as

[52:55] you might have guessed can 100%

[52:57] efficiently use a planet's energy their

[53:00] Mastery goes to the point where they can

[53:02] even control physical phenomenon like

[53:05] earthquakes and volcanoes type 2 cves

[53:09] can directly consume and efficiently

[53:11] utilize the energy of an entire star

[53:14] this makes them incredibly powerful as

[53:16] stars are gigantic Fusion engines

[53:19] finally type three civilizations are

[53:22] completely utilizing the power of an

[53:24] entire galaxy this is a crazy amount of

[53:28] energy and this is where cardash shev's

[53:30] types ended but with all the different

[53:32] stories in Fiction more types were

[53:34] eventually introduced type four can use

[53:37] all the energy in a galactic super

[53:39] cluster and type five can use an entire

[53:43] universe type six can generate more than

[53:46] entire universe of energy in a single

[53:49] second continuously forever and type

[53:52] 7even is so powerful that the amount of

[53:54] energy they manipulate is beyond Beyond

[53:57] calculation civilization tearing system

[54:01] this is a different way to scale a

[54:02] civilization as opposed to the kardashev

[54:05] scale while that measures how much

[54:07] energy a people can produce the

[54:09] civilization teering system instead

[54:11] keeps track of how advanced their

[54:13] government and technology is starting at

[54:16] the bottom we have pre-industrial they

[54:18] haven't yet discovered electricity

[54:20] they're relying on simple tools and

[54:22] animals for transport and battle after

[54:24] that there's post-industrial essentially

[54:26] what every nation on Earth is like today

[54:29] beyond that is planetary a single

[54:32] civilization that controls an entire

[54:34] planet all under one government a

[54:37] stellar civilization controls a whole

[54:39] solar system an Interstellar Civ

[54:41] controls multiple solar system from

[54:44] there it goes Galactic Intergalactic

[54:46] Universal multiversal higher dimensional

[54:50] and finally

[54:52] Transcendent

[54:54] omnipresence omnipotence is is to be all

[54:57] powerful and omnipresence is a single

[55:00] element of that to be all present

[55:03] essentially this is the peak of speed

[55:05] you exist everywhere in every single

[55:08] location simultaneously now it's

[55:11] important to note just because you're

[55:12] omnipresent doesn't mean you're

[55:14] omnipotent you may be everywhere at once

[55:17] but you might still have weaknesses you

[55:18] can't lose in a race though that's the

[55:21] one thing you have

[55:23] here

[55:24] omniscience omniscient I is to know

[55:27] everything all things that have happened

[55:30] are happening or will happen you have

[55:32] access and full view of all of it this

[55:35] includes what people are thinking after

[55:37] all thoughts are just electrons firing

[55:39] inside neurons and you can see that

[55:42] happening No Limits fallacy this is a

[55:46] fallacy that assumes because a limit has

[55:48] not been shown that no limit exists for

[55:52] example Superman Has Lifted 100 tons a

[55:55] million tons a billion tons and he's

[55:58] never struggled the No Limits fallacy

[56:02] would state that he can lift literally

[56:04] infinite weight since we've never known

[56:07] that he has a limit we've never seen a

[56:08] limit this is an assumption and it's

[56:11] wrong this is also sometimes called the

[56:14] world of ants essentially if there's a

[56:16] character who gets in hundreds of fights

[56:19] but only ever fights ants and they

[56:21] always win just by stepping on them the

[56:23] No Limits fallacy would say they could

[56:25] beat any character ever because they've

[56:27] never lost inside their world of ants

[56:30] this is also wrong and by the way this

[56:32] is why saitama doesn't beat everyone in

[56:35] fiction he may beat everyone in his own

[56:37] series but that doesn't mean there

[56:39] aren't characters outside the series who

[56:41] couldn't beat

[56:43] him Tune Force this is the ability of a

[56:46] character to use very powerful reality

[56:49] warping for comedic Effect characters

[56:52] like Bugs Bunny are a great example he

[56:55] can teleport shape shift lift infinite

[56:57] weight alter the malleability of objects

[57:00] transform his environment his abilities

[57:02] are seemingly Limitless but only if

[57:05] they're for comedic effect this is known

[57:07] as Tune Force short for cartoon

[57:10] sometimes characters will have a limited

[57:12] amount of Tune Force a rale from Dr

[57:15] slump has crossed over with Dragon Ball

[57:16] super and while she's strong enough to

[57:18] beat Godly Fighters that she has no

[57:21] business fighting her comedic Powers

[57:23] don't let her contend with beerus who is

[57:26] too serious and Powerful for toune Force

[57:28] to work on

[57:31] gerer gerer or gold experience requium

[57:36] is the standability of joro giovana from

[57:38] JoJo part five ger is sort of Infamous

[57:42] in power scaling or at least it was for

[57:44] a while for its wacky ability Return To

[57:47] Zero it can return anything to zero and

[57:51] if you're confused what that means it's

[57:53] intentionally vague that's what makes it

[57:55] powerful you run up to punch jno well he

[57:58] returns your position to zero so you

[58:00] never moved uh you manage to land a hit

[58:03] on him he returns the damage to zero he

[58:06] punches you to death guess what he can

[58:08] return your death zero so you live over

[58:11] and over again infinitely and get this

[58:14] jono doesn't even need to see the attack

[58:16] coming gerer can act without his

[58:18] knowledge he even did so against diblo

[58:21] during his time skip arguably scaling

[58:24] his awareness to high fourth or low

[58:27] fifth dimensional slap on a healthy

[58:29] layer of No Limits fallacy and for a

[58:31] while many posters thought Geer was

[58:34] completely

[58:36] unbeatable power levels current

[58:39] year this is a reference to a very low

[58:42] effort form of YouTube video that gets a

[58:44] ton of views despite how inaccurate they

[58:46] are basically the person making the

[58:49] video picks two characters let's say

[58:51] Naruto and Sasuke and then they assign

[58:54] them power levels based on on different

[58:56] points in the story culminating with

[58:59] their current strongest forms and some

[59:01] ridiculously huge number to go along

[59:04] with it these numbers are not based in

[59:07] anything substantial they're just

[59:08] guesses but they do sate the Curiosity

[59:11] of little kids who are just starting to

[59:13] get into versus debates that's why they

[59:14] get so many views as long as you don't

[59:17] actually take them seriously they're

[59:18] harmless

[59:19] fun grandmas Luke this refers to Luke

[59:24] Skywalker as he was depicted in the the

[59:26] Star Wars extended Universe the now

[59:28] non-cannon collection of books telling

[59:31] the story of the Star Wars characters

[59:33] after episode 6 Luke became

[59:36] substantially more powerful in these

[59:38] stories to the point where he could do

[59:39] with the force what was barely

[59:41] recognizable from the movies he could

[59:43] fold space to teleport himself and

[59:46] objects he has nanc reaction times can

[59:49] project his thoughts into thousands of

[59:52] Minds across the Galaxy simultaneously

[59:55] and he even uses the force to affect a

[59:57] black hole in that Cannon he's the most

[1:00:00] powerful force user who ever lived and

[1:00:02] is frequently used to scale other Jedi

[1:00:05] and Sith against speed force

[1:00:08] LOL this is another meme this time about

[1:00:11] the flash all versions of The Flash be

[1:00:14] they Jay Garrick Barry Allen Wally West

[1:00:17] all of them tap into a supernatural and

[1:00:19] extradimensional power known as the

[1:00:21] speed force this Force grants them their

[1:00:24] tremendous speed but also allows them a

[1:00:27] myriad of other powers some of which

[1:00:30] make no sense for example the speed

[1:00:33] force will surround and protect anything

[1:00:35] The Flash is holding so when he picks up

[1:00:37] a person and runs them across the

[1:00:39] country at 1,000 miles an hour they

[1:00:41] don't splatter apart from the g-forces

[1:00:43] or sometimes when he needs a costume he

[1:00:46] can just summon one out of speed force

[1:00:49] energy whatever the hell that means it's

[1:00:52] the speed force I ain't got to explain

[1:00:54] [ __ ]

[1:00:56] varying fourth

[1:00:58] Dimensions this is an important one to

[1:01:00] understand when discussing characters

[1:01:02] who affect or control time see we are

[1:01:05] aware of three spatial dimensions and

[1:01:08] one temporal Dimension the fourth

[1:01:10] dimension is time this is generally the

[1:01:13] case in most fictional universes but in

[1:01:16] some this is not the case and the fourth

[1:01:18] dimension is separate from time meaning

[1:01:21] there are four spatial dimensions and

[1:01:24] then time is the fifth Dimension make

[1:01:27] sense so a character in that Universe

[1:01:29] could transcend three-dimensional speed

[1:01:33] but instead of time being affected they

[1:01:35] would simply begin moving fourth

[1:01:37] dimensionally it's a bit difficult to

[1:01:38] wrap your head around I know but just

[1:01:40] remember the fourth dimension isn't

[1:01:42] always

[1:01:43] time slow

[1:01:46] Thor Thor Marvel's God of Thunder is

[1:01:49] very powerful and Incredibly fast as

[1:01:51] well he has very good traveling speed

[1:01:54] Feats as he normally flies through space

[1:01:57] unfortunately he has significantly more

[1:01:59] battle speed anti Feats what this really

[1:02:03] comes down to is plot and du stupidity

[1:02:05] the writer needs to find a way to keep

[1:02:07] The Godly Avenger tied up so the rest of

[1:02:09] the team actually has some time to shine

[1:02:12] this translates to Thor being smacked

[1:02:13] around by slow moving attacks hit by

[1:02:16] cars shot with normal Guns Etc in

[1:02:19] reality he has plenty of battle Feats

[1:02:21] that show him with much greater reaction

[1:02:23] times but because there are just so so

[1:02:25] many many scans of Thor jobbing to slow

[1:02:28] moving objects there's a peras of belief

[1:02:31] that Thor is super strong but very

[1:02:34] slow interverse

[1:02:37] mechanics so you understand magic

[1:02:40] systems Naruto has chakra Avatar has

[1:02:43] bending but what about this let's say

[1:02:46] Ang tries to do Spirit bending an

[1:02:48] ability that takes away his opponent's

[1:02:50] ability to bend and he uses it on

[1:02:54] Kakashi would Spirit Bend ending sever

[1:02:56] Kakashi's ability to use chakra would it

[1:02:59] stop a Jedi from using the force this

[1:03:02] question is how the mechanics of

[1:03:03] abilities work across Universe are

[1:03:06] important and must be decided before a

[1:03:09] debate if you hope to get anywhere

[1:03:11] otherwise even the weakest of characters

[1:03:13] from Hunter Hunter could defeat Goku

[1:03:16] with a simple Ren projection that's kind

[1:03:18] of

[1:03:19] silly Ash's Pikachu this is a reference

[1:03:23] to the Pikachu from the Pokémon anime in

[1:03:25] game

[1:03:26] if you take the time to actually

[1:03:27] calculate every battle this Pikachu has

[1:03:29] been in all the XP he should have earned

[1:03:32] from those fights in conjunction with

[1:03:34] some of the crazy Feats he displays in

[1:03:35] the movies he becomes disgustingly

[1:03:38] powerful for example in the 18th movie

[1:03:41] during a clash against the antagonist

[1:03:43] Hoopa Pikachu's Thunderbolt is able to

[1:03:46] counteract the force of six of the most

[1:03:48] powerful legendaries in existence

[1:03:51] including Dialga pelia and gutina it's

[1:03:55] lumped in with some attacks from other

[1:03:56] legendaries but through scaling it's

[1:03:58] clear that they were holding off Hoopa

[1:04:01] so Ash's Pikachu is literally on the

[1:04:03] level of the Pokemon gods of time space

[1:04:06] and antimatter and if you don't believe

[1:04:08] me I'll put the scale for this one in

[1:04:10] the

[1:04:12] description

[1:04:15] sttgl in the gyx anime guran lagon the

[1:04:19] main character Simone the Digger Pilots

[1:04:21] a Mecca along with his crew team die the

[1:04:25] Mecca continuously evolves throughout

[1:04:27] the series attaching onto and absorbing

[1:04:30] larger and larger enemy mechs towards

[1:04:33] the end of the show Simone's spiral

[1:04:35] power or Humanity's indomitable Spirit

[1:04:38] push their Mech to evolve to extremely

[1:04:42] high levels of power their Pinnacle is

[1:04:45] super Tangen tapa guran lagon which is

[1:04:48] what sttgl stands for this enormous

[1:04:52] construct dwarfs the entire universe and

[1:04:55] has 11th dimensional multiversal attack

[1:04:59] potency and durability omnipresence

[1:05:02] probability altering attacks and this is

[1:05:05] all with the implication that it can

[1:05:07] continue evolving further forever

[1:05:12] sttgl is usually used as a benchmark

[1:05:15] when discussing complex multiversal

[1:05:17] opponents or as an easy dunk when

[1:05:20] someone says Goku is the strongest anime

[1:05:22] character ever he's not

[1:05:26] dodging

[1:05:27] lasers this refers to a character's

[1:05:29] Feats where they Dodge out of the way of

[1:05:31] a laser attack and how that doesn't

[1:05:33] necessarily imply they have light speed

[1:05:35] movements or reaction times for example

[1:05:38] if you shot a laser gun at Batman and he

[1:05:41] dodged the blast it's likely because he

[1:05:43] got out of the way while you were aiming

[1:05:45] and pulling the trigger not after it

[1:05:47] already fired this is important to

[1:05:50] understand so characters aren't

[1:05:51] accidentally scaled up to outpacing

[1:05:54] photons

[1:05:55] tier

[1:05:58] seven from here on out we're getting a

[1:06:01] lot of deep Cuts strange arguments

[1:06:03] confusing logical fallacies and Niche

[1:06:06] ideas that Debaters will reference like

[1:06:09] top level chess players bringing up

[1:06:11] famous strategies and

[1:06:13] gambits higher dimensional

[1:06:16] existence we sort of covered the basics

[1:06:18] of this one already we know a being with

[1:06:21] fourth-dimensional strength has more

[1:06:23] than infinite three-dimensional strength

[1:06:25] but often times they're typically bound

[1:06:28] to three dimensions and only express

[1:06:30] higher dimensional stats when

[1:06:32] participating in their outlandish

[1:06:34] battles but a being that has higher

[1:06:36] dimensional existence is by their very

[1:06:39] nature Unbound by our three dimensions

[1:06:42] physical distance and its implied

[1:06:44] limitations do not apply and so they

[1:06:46] appear Godly in turn for example Mr

[1:06:50] mix's Pedic of DC Comics is a

[1:06:53] fifth-dimensional imp he can c usually

[1:06:56] teleport reality warp and use all manner

[1:06:58] of hacks because spending any time down

[1:07:01] in the third dimension is like entering

[1:07:04] Minecraft creative mode for him

[1:07:08] Omniverse you know that a universe is an

[1:07:11] infinite 3D Space Bound by time and a

[1:07:14] Multiverse is a collection of universes

[1:07:16] bound across a Fifth Dimension but what

[1:07:19] about a Multiverse of

[1:07:21] multiverses this is what's known as a

[1:07:24] hyperverse and that name sticks for the

[1:07:26] 6th 7th 8th 9th 10th and 11th Dimensions

[1:07:32] but if you're feeling really cheeky and

[1:07:34] you want multiple 11th dimensional hyper

[1:07:36] verses all collected beneath a 12th

[1:07:39] Dimension this is known as an Omniverse

[1:07:43] it's essentially incomprehensible for us

[1:07:46] to Fathom but there are fictional

[1:07:48] characters that have this level of Power

[1:07:50] Note Omniverse is sometimes used

[1:07:53] interchangeably with outerverse

[1:07:55] if a character is called outer versal

[1:07:58] this means they are Beyond 11th

[1:08:00] dimensional in attack potency durability

[1:08:03] speed

[1:08:04] Etc argument from incredulity fallacy

[1:08:09] this is a very common fallacy that

[1:08:10] people often struggle to argue against

[1:08:12] because they don't know how when someone

[1:08:15] commits this fallacy they claim

[1:08:16] something is wrong simply because they

[1:08:19] can't believe it they refuse evidence

[1:08:21] simply because it seems outlandish to

[1:08:24] them for example some someone making

[1:08:25] this fallacy might say I don't care if

[1:08:28] you have a scan I don't believe

[1:08:30] precrisis Superman destroyed a solar

[1:08:32] system with a sneeze that's too stupid

[1:08:35] so it didn't happen he can't do that

[1:08:39] ultimately this is a really childish

[1:08:41] argument but that's what makes it so

[1:08:43] difficult to

[1:08:44] refute gag

[1:08:46] character a gag character is one whose

[1:08:49] purpose in a story is for comedy

[1:08:51] primarily usually with a heaping helping

[1:08:54] of Tune Force the reason they're on this

[1:08:56] iceberg is many people believe gag

[1:08:59] characters inherently win versus battles

[1:09:01] by their very nature taking that a step

[1:09:04] further they can then apply the term gag

[1:09:06] character onto a character who happens

[1:09:09] to be funny and suddenly they now have

[1:09:11] an argument as to why they're Invincible

[1:09:14] of course we know by now that Tune Force

[1:09:16] often has limits and Powerful gag

[1:09:18] characters are still subject to the

[1:09:20] world of ants argument so if you run

[1:09:22] into this argument in the wild now

[1:09:24] you'll know it's both

[1:09:26] Krillin versus

[1:09:28] Marvel this is in reference to Sunny

[1:09:31] straight the English voice actor for

[1:09:33] Krillin in Dragon Ball Z he made a

[1:09:35] Twitter post in 2017 where he stated

[1:09:37] that Krillin despite being relatively

[1:09:40] weak in his own series could defeat

[1:09:42] every character in the Marvel Universe

[1:09:45] with ease and defeat all the Avengers at

[1:09:47] once this led to a bit of a dog pile

[1:09:51] where hundreds of power scalers sent him

[1:09:53] arguments scans and quotes from guide

[1:09:55] books telling him just how wrong he was

[1:09:58] and while he tried to argue a little bit

[1:10:00] at the end of the day he responded

[1:10:01] pretty charitably with a wow you guys

[1:10:03] sure know a lot uh maybe there are some

[1:10:05] pretty strong Marvel characters out

[1:10:07] there I think he handled it well but

[1:10:10] some people still reference it when

[1:10:11] discussing how little the general public

[1:10:13] actually knows or understands about the

[1:10:16] complexity of these things but as long

[1:10:18] as you're nice about it remember it's

[1:10:20] okay to be proven wrong sometimes we're

[1:10:23] all having fun with this you don't need

[1:10:24] to be V triolic or

[1:10:26] snarky SCP

[1:10:30] 682 known as the hardto destroy reptile

[1:10:33] this is one of the countless entries in

[1:10:35] the SCP Foundation Wiki a collaborative

[1:10:38] fictional Secret Agency that captures

[1:10:41] and retains anomalous monsters and

[1:10:43] objects 682 is a large lizard with the

[1:10:47] unique ability of adaptation what this

[1:10:50] means is that it will instantaneously

[1:10:52] evolve in order to survive whatever

[1:10:55] situation it's put in if you put it

[1:10:57] underwater it grows gills if you drop it

[1:10:59] in lava it becomes heat resistant put

[1:11:01] him in space hey he no longer needs to

[1:11:04] breathe what makes him so formidable is

[1:11:06] when you start to get creative well if I

[1:11:08] threw Naruto at him he'd likely found a

[1:11:11] way to nullify chakra if I pit him up

[1:11:14] against Superman he'd grow immensely

[1:11:16] stronger and gain the ability to fly and

[1:11:19] if you had SCP 682 fight super tangin

[1:11:22] tapa G and lagon he'd likely evolve into

[1:11:25] an outerversal being see how quickly

[1:11:28] this becomes

[1:11:29] insane immeasurable

[1:11:32] speed we discussed speed earlier from

[1:11:35] subsonic all the way to massively faster

[1:11:37] than light and if you understand

[1:11:39] infinite speed too but beyond that is

[1:11:42] immeasurable speed when something is

[1:11:45] immeasurably fast it not only can move

[1:11:48] infinitely fast but it can travel

[1:11:50] through time see if speed is distance

[1:11:53] over time the only way way to go faster

[1:11:56] than infinite distance over finite time

[1:11:59] is infinite distance over negative time

[1:12:02] going so fast you finished the race

[1:12:05] before you start it looking at it

[1:12:07] another way say that there were a closed

[1:12:09] space where time does not exist if you

[1:12:12] or I were there we would be frozen

[1:12:14] completely unable to think or move

[1:12:16] because time does not pass but a being

[1:12:19] with immeasurable speed is able to move

[1:12:22] even in a realm without time it is only

[1:12:25] a single step down from True

[1:12:28] omnipresence Zeno the Omni

[1:12:31] King introduced in Dragon Ball super

[1:12:34] Zeno is the little guy who sits a top

[1:12:36] the hierarchy of gods because Dragon

[1:12:39] Ball is the series that got so many

[1:12:40] people into Power scaling to begin with

[1:12:42] there's a very large consensus who

[1:12:44] believes Zeno is omnipotent this is not

[1:12:48] true Zeno may be the most powerful being

[1:12:50] in Dragon Ball but we know that at the

[1:12:53] very least he's Bound By The Fifth

[1:12:54] Dimension ition as multiple versions of

[1:12:57] him exist across different timelines

[1:12:59] Zeno is not all powerful he is not on

[1:13:02] the level of the one above all or the

[1:13:05] presence Mario and Luigi versus

[1:13:09] seepo this one is a bit of a meme but

[1:13:12] it's pretty funny it started as a

[1:13:14] Twitter thread pitting various video

[1:13:16] game characters against one another but

[1:13:18] the reason it got so popular is because

[1:13:19] of the outcome Mario and Luigi take this

[1:13:22] fight easily and it's not even close

[1:13:25] close obviously sepo is an extremely

[1:13:27] powerful character he's the final boss

[1:13:30] of Final Fantasy 7 but Mario and Luigi

[1:13:33] specifically from their titular RPG

[1:13:35] series like Dream Team or Bowser's

[1:13:37] Inside Story have way crazier Feats they

[1:13:41] regularly bounce back attacks with the

[1:13:42] Bros Hammer that are far stronger and

[1:13:45] faster than anything sepo can put out

[1:13:48] especially from their confrontation with

[1:13:50] dream Bowser who had fifth-dimensional

[1:13:52] attack potency the Mario Brothers can

[1:13:56] even destroy seph Roth's Soul after

[1:13:58] killing his body which makes this a very

[1:14:00] clean

[1:14:02] Victory Kishimoto doesn't know how to

[1:14:04] beat

[1:14:06] MAA this is in reference to a rumor that

[1:14:09] Kishimoto the author of the Naruto manga

[1:14:12] supposedly stated that M ucha had to be

[1:14:15] removed from the story and replaced with

[1:14:17] the villain kaguya because he could not

[1:14:19] figure out how to possibly defeat him

[1:14:22] this is not true uh but due to the

[1:14:24] pervasiveness of this rumor a lot of

[1:14:26] Naruto power scalers believe that this

[1:14:28] makes MAA omnipotent or incorrectly

[1:14:31] scale him as stronger than kagia

[1:14:34] stronger than end of series Naruto and

[1:14:36] Sasuke and just about every other

[1:14:38] character this is a pretty common thing

[1:14:40] in these sorts of debates where people

[1:14:41] will reference different word of God

[1:14:44] statements that were never actually made

[1:14:46] in the first place they're just rumors

[1:14:48] so always be sure to ask for a source or

[1:14:50] a

[1:14:50] scan

[1:14:53] tioo this is a YouTube tuber who's made

[1:14:55] it his goal to get more people

[1:14:57] interested in Zoology or the study of

[1:14:59] animals by power scaling them he uses

[1:15:02] video gaming terminology in a comedic

[1:15:04] fashion referring to continents as

[1:15:06] servers and different species as builds

[1:15:09] but at the core of his content he does

[1:15:11] meticulous quality work outlining the

[1:15:14] size speed weight strength and special

[1:15:17] abilities of countless different animals

[1:15:19] and has made several great tier lists

[1:15:21] scaling different animals within a Genus

[1:15:24] or in a bio

[1:15:26] tier

[1:15:28] eight this tier covers a lot of the

[1:15:31] Heavy Hitters although there are more

[1:15:33] below too extremely strong characters

[1:15:35] and universes that often come up in

[1:15:37] tertiary

[1:15:39] discussions Cosmic armor

[1:15:42] Superman also known as the thought robot

[1:15:45] this is one of the most powerful

[1:15:47] versions of Superman across all cannons

[1:15:49] despite the fact that it's not actually

[1:15:52] Superman created by the outer versal

[1:15:55] race of beings known as the monitors and

[1:15:57] described as being powered by the very

[1:15:59] concepts of symmetry Duality

[1:16:02] probabilities and possibility Cosmic

[1:16:04] armor Superman is literally a plot

[1:16:07] device it takes the physical appearance

[1:16:09] of Superman because it fulfills the role

[1:16:11] that Superman does in every narrative

[1:16:13] but on the grandest scale possible

[1:16:15] within the DC Comics it can adapt

[1:16:18] instantaneously to any Potential Threat

[1:16:21] manipulate reality causality and even

[1:16:24] the plot of the the story

[1:16:26] itself

[1:16:28] Kratos the main character of the God of

[1:16:30] War series The Ghost of Sparta is far

[1:16:33] more powerful than most people believe

[1:16:35] primarily due to the lore surrounding

[1:16:37] his in-game Feats when he manages to

[1:16:39] unlock the power of Hope or the Undying

[1:16:42] Will to carry on he gains the ability to

[1:16:44] manipulate Concepts an abstract

[1:16:47] existence that allows him to resurrect

[1:16:49] eternally even if he's killed the power

[1:16:52] to negate the immortality of those he

[1:16:54] fights as well as negate curses he has

[1:16:57] low multiversal level attack potency was

[1:17:00] able to battle on par with Thor and the

[1:17:02] nidhog who could chew through the fabric

[1:17:05] of the

[1:17:06] Multiverse lime

[1:17:09] green this is an obscure meme a

[1:17:12] reference to Gojo from Jujutsu Kaizen

[1:17:14] Gojo's primary cursed ability is

[1:17:16] Limitless or the ability to manipulate

[1:17:18] the concept of infinity he has the curse

[1:17:21] technique blue which allows him to

[1:17:23] essentially create a black hole forcing

[1:17:25] matter closer together his reverse curse

[1:17:28] technique red does the opposite

[1:17:30] repelling all matter in a burst of

[1:17:32] energy and when he performs both

[1:17:35] simultaneously essentially combining the

[1:17:37] power of positive and negative Infinity

[1:17:40] you get Hollow purple harnessing the

[1:17:43] power of the imaginary number to create

[1:17:45] an Infinity that does not exist in this

[1:17:48] reality it deletes from existence

[1:17:50] anything it touches in a gigantic

[1:17:52] torrent lime green is the fan-made

[1:17:56] concept of Gojo creating yet another

[1:17:58] extremely powerful attack that surpasses

[1:18:01] the others following the nameing

[1:18:02] convention of a color uh lime green was

[1:18:05] picked because of how weirdly specific

[1:18:07] and funny it is I should note that part

[1:18:09] of this meme developed from a quote from

[1:18:11] the author of jjk who said Gojo succeeds

[1:18:15] at anything he tries of course people

[1:18:17] have interpreted this to mean he could

[1:18:19] literally beat anyone ever um and of

[1:18:21] course they're

[1:18:23] wrong Z know

[1:18:26] Goku this is one alternate universe

[1:18:28] version of Sun Goku from the Super

[1:18:30] Dragon Ball Heroes promotional anime and

[1:18:33] manga series it's important to note that

[1:18:35] this is a different version from the

[1:18:36] Goku people usually discuss this version

[1:18:39] lived through all the events of the

[1:18:41] non-canon movies as well as the timeline

[1:18:44] of Dragon Ball GT so Zeno Goku can

[1:18:47] transform into Super Saiyan 4 but not

[1:18:49] any of the god forms or Ultra Instinct

[1:18:52] he also has a slew of Feats from the

[1:18:54] Super Dragon Ball Heroes manga in anime

[1:18:57] where he acts as a Time patroller

[1:18:59] battling villains that threaten a

[1:19:00] multitude of different causalities due

[1:19:03] to the absurdity of his Feats and the

[1:19:05] Feats of his enemies Zeno Goku scales up

[1:19:08] to sixth dimensional or complex

[1:19:10] multiversal he's currently much stronger

[1:19:13] than Canon

[1:19:14] Goku post Hawk Argo prompter hawk

[1:19:19] sometimes just called the post Hawk

[1:19:20] fallacy this is when someone assumes two

[1:19:23] events happening in sequence have a

[1:19:25] causal relationship for example

[1:19:27] Spider-Man's costume was ripped when he

[1:19:30] fought against Green Goblin in this

[1:19:31] particular issue Spider-Man won this

[1:19:34] fight therefore we know that his costume

[1:19:36] being ripped is what gave him the

[1:19:38] strength to do it this obviously ignores

[1:19:40] the multitude of other reasons

[1:19:41] Spider-Man could have won the fight and

[1:19:43] while it may seem silly a lot of people

[1:19:45] use this

[1:19:47] fallacy multiversal Dooms Slayer the

[1:19:50] Doom Slayer also known as Doom guy is

[1:19:53] the main character of the Doom series of

[1:19:55] video games put simply he hates demons

[1:19:58] and he loves killing them using a vast

[1:20:00] array of different increasingly bigger

[1:20:02] guns what's so interesting about him is

[1:20:05] that if you read the lore associated

[1:20:06] with the games it becomes evident that

[1:20:08] he's not just some building level super

[1:20:11] soldier type character he slays Khan

[1:20:14] mcir the Supreme Being of the

[1:20:16] six-dimensional space known as erak and

[1:20:19] while fighting against the forces of

[1:20:21] Hell which is a higher dimensional plane

[1:20:23] than ddac Doom guy actually implodes the

[1:20:26] Multiverse containing an infinite

[1:20:28] variability of branching timelines hell

[1:20:31] is not bound by time space or even

[1:20:34] Dimensions it is only Bound by the

[1:20:36] concept of chaos and its dark lord davo

[1:20:40] uh is the source of all of Hell's power

[1:20:41] and yeah Doom guy killed him too

[1:20:44] destroying his very

[1:20:45] essence Super Boy

[1:20:48] Prime this is an alternate universe

[1:20:50] version of Superman who lost his home

[1:20:53] planet in the crisis on infinite Earth's

[1:20:55] storyline slowly driven mad by this he

[1:20:58] eventually cracked and went on a tear

[1:21:01] across the Multiverse trying to destroy

[1:21:03] everything and bring back his own

[1:21:05] version of Earth what's so special about

[1:21:07] Super Boy Prime is that he is

[1:21:09] significantly stronger than post crisis

[1:21:12] Superman as well as most other

[1:21:14] kryptonians he's immune to Kryptonite

[1:21:17] and Magic he's immune to reality warping

[1:21:19] hacks too he casually tortured Mr Mixie

[1:21:22] spck and was unaffected Ed by Dr

[1:21:25] Manhattan his presence alone strikes

[1:21:28] fear Into the Heart of Green Lantern

[1:21:30] rings not Green Lanterns but the Rings

[1:21:33] themselves his punches not only shatter

[1:21:36] Dimensions but rewrite realities his

[1:21:39] punches literally create retcons he

[1:21:42] shattered the anti- monitor in a single

[1:21:44] strike making him sixth dimensional on a

[1:21:47] very low

[1:21:48] lowball metahuman

[1:21:51] Ash so we know how powerful Ash's

[1:21:53] Pikachu is is but what about Ash Ketchum

[1:21:56] himself believe it or not due to some of

[1:21:58] the shenanigans that take place in the

[1:22:00] anime 10-year-old Ash is actually a very

[1:22:04] powerful superhuman he has relativistic

[1:22:07] reaction speeds shown while dodging

[1:22:09] light based attacks from Pokemon he's

[1:22:12] fast enough to run straight up a wall

[1:22:14] strong enough to casually lift a cosmoem

[1:22:17] which weighs over 2,000 lb he's jumped

[1:22:21] hundreds of feet in the air and even

[1:22:23] Tanked is level attacks all that and it

[1:22:27] still took him 20 years to finally

[1:22:29] become a Pokemon Master he should have

[1:22:31] just started throwing hands with the

[1:22:33] Pokemon

[1:22:34] himself tier

[1:22:38] nine we're too deep now it's your last

[1:22:41] chance to turn

[1:22:43] back the Scarlet

[1:22:45] King the SCP Foundation has thousands of

[1:22:49] entries but perhaps the most important

[1:22:50] entry is SCP 001

[1:22:54] and that's because we don't actually

[1:22:56] know what 001 is there are 10 proposed

[1:23:00] possible contenders for the spot with

[1:23:02] the other nine being deliberate

[1:23:04] misinformation created in order to

[1:23:06] prevent the real one from being

[1:23:08] discovered one of these proposals is

[1:23:10] known as the Scarlet King an ancient

[1:23:13] evil God of chaos that consumed all the

[1:23:16] other Elder gods and has been attempting

[1:23:18] to enter our reality to lay waste to it

[1:23:22] the king's mere presence in our world

[1:23:24] would tear apart the fabric of reality

[1:23:26] and spell an end to the universe and all

[1:23:29] adjacent causalities he has an

[1:23:31] outerversal existence and immortality

[1:23:34] SpaceTime and conceptual manipulation

[1:23:38] and he possesses an acausal form meaning

[1:23:40] if you manage to destroy him in the

[1:23:42] present it will not affect him in the

[1:23:44] future and he can simply return he even

[1:23:47] destroyed the world tree an infinite

[1:23:50] Library filled with platonic

[1:23:53] Concepts dark

[1:23:55] Schneider a dark wizard from the battle

[1:23:58] sign in bastard dark Schneider is

[1:24:00] Infamous among power scalers for his

[1:24:02] ridiculous amount of specific hacks

[1:24:05] abilities and resistances I'm going to

[1:24:08] give you an Abridged list for the sake

[1:24:09] of brevity but know that he has a lot

[1:24:12] more than this he has a collection of

[1:24:14] barriers known as dispel bounds Each of

[1:24:17] which is designed to repel a different

[1:24:19] type of attack there's a dispel Bound

[1:24:21] for magic reality warping Psy attacks

[1:24:25] physical attacks herbicide insecticide

[1:24:28] gas attacks sound waves anti-

[1:24:31] assimilation immortality eraser there's

[1:24:33] a lie detector anti-p paralysis

[1:24:36] anti-poison anti- camouflage even

[1:24:39] penicillin whatever the hell that means

[1:24:41] and every single barrier can repel up to

[1:24:45] 67 billion attacks every second and if

[1:24:49] you somehow manage to break through

[1:24:51] every barrier you need to destroy dark

[1:24:53] Schneider on three separate planes of

[1:24:56] existence or he'll immediately

[1:24:58] regenerate He even wears a set of armor

[1:25:00] connected to every single Dimension so

[1:25:03] higher dimensional beings need to

[1:25:04] contend with that before attempting to

[1:25:06] attack

[1:25:07] him reality

[1:25:10] Equalization this is an important

[1:25:12] concept to grasp when discussing

[1:25:14] interverse battles where one character

[1:25:16] hails from a lower version of reality I

[1:25:19] don't mean a lower Dimension but a lower

[1:25:21] form of reality so for example sord word

[1:25:24] art online or Tron they both take place

[1:25:27] in Virtual Worlds so the characters

[1:25:29] would technically immediately lose

[1:25:31] against any character from a physical

[1:25:33] world reality Equalization is where we

[1:25:35] say okay if this character from Sword

[1:25:38] Art Online is going to fight this

[1:25:40] character from Black Clover or assuming

[1:25:43] they both have a physical existence for

[1:25:45] the sake of this hypothetical

[1:25:48] battle DC humans double

[1:25:51] stats so in the Marvel Universe

[1:25:54] superheroes are always running around

[1:25:56] real cities like New York Chicago La Etc

[1:25:59] but in the DC Universe all the cities

[1:26:02] are fictional Gotham Metropolis West

[1:26:05] City Star City but what most people

[1:26:08] don't know is that all the real cities

[1:26:10] also exist New York City is just North

[1:26:13] of metropolis coast city is just south

[1:26:15] of San Francisco so if all these cities

[1:26:18] exist the actual Earth must be larger

[1:26:21] than Earth in real life right otherwise

[1:26:24] how would you fit twice the amount of

[1:26:26] cities and that's where the scale comes

[1:26:28] in the theory is all human characters on

[1:26:32] DC's Earth actually have twice the

[1:26:35] strength and speed of a normal human

[1:26:37] because the gravity is double they look

[1:26:40] normal on their home Earth but if you

[1:26:42] took Batman and placed him on Marvel's

[1:26:45] Earth he would be a genuine

[1:26:47] superhuman

[1:26:50] Popeye the cartoon sailor from the early

[1:26:53] 20th century com comics and cartoons

[1:26:55] Popeye is famous for his spinach gimmick

[1:26:58] where he gulps down a can of spinach and

[1:27:00] through the power of Tune Force grows

[1:27:02] impossibly strong but he does more than

[1:27:05] lift heavy things poey actually has some

[1:27:07] Bonkers Feats he can send his punches

[1:27:11] through radio waves punch hard enough to

[1:27:13] alter the weather use his bicep like a

[1:27:15] crystal ball and gaze into the future he

[1:27:18] can manipulate his own age survive in

[1:27:21] space without air or an atmosphere shape

[1:27:23] shift in into a rocket ship transmute a

[1:27:26] lion into a basketball and even survived

[1:27:29] reality being deleted and he doesn't

[1:27:32] even have access to a can of spinach

[1:27:34] because he can summon one from thin air

[1:27:36] with a whistle or petition spinachia

[1:27:39] goddess of spinach and no I didn't just

[1:27:42] make that last one up that's

[1:27:44] real 9in

[1:27:47] skulls several years ago there was a

[1:27:50] post on the who would win sub renit

[1:27:52] asking if Batman could defeat a

[1:27:54] Silverback Gorilla in hand-to-hand

[1:27:56] combat the outcome of that particular

[1:27:58] debate isn't important what is important

[1:28:01] is that one of the commenters tried to

[1:28:03] argue that the gorilla could not suffer

[1:28:05] concussive damage to the head because

[1:28:07] its skull was quote 9 in thick now in

[1:28:11] actuality a Silverback Gorilla's skull

[1:28:13] is about 9 in Long which is probably

[1:28:16] where the commenter got confused uh but

[1:28:19] to put that into perspective if the bone

[1:28:21] of a gorilla's skull were 9 in Ines

[1:28:24] thick Not only would their head be three

[1:28:27] times as big but they could stop sniper

[1:28:30] bullets with their foreheads 9 in of

[1:28:33] solid bone is such a ridiculous and

[1:28:35] implausible assumption to make that it

[1:28:37] became a meme and people would often

[1:28:39] reference it like well uh maybe Ichigo

[1:28:43] loses to Naruto but what if Ichigo had a

[1:28:45] 9in skull what

[1:28:47] then tier

[1:28:51] 10 this is the bottom there's no

[1:28:55] escaping now embrace

[1:28:58] it argument from

[1:29:01] narrative this is a fallacy where one

[1:29:03] argues not using the Feats or scaling

[1:29:06] for a character but instead by analyzing

[1:29:08] the role they play in a story and

[1:29:11] transposing that onto the hypothetical

[1:29:13] Narrative of a debate I think the best

[1:29:15] example I can give is the two death

[1:29:17] battles between Goku and Superman the

[1:29:20] conclusion they reached was that

[1:29:21] Superman wins not necessarily because he

[1:29:24] has Feats that are greater than Goku's

[1:29:27] but because in Superman stories he's

[1:29:30] always as strong as he needs to be to

[1:29:32] win so in this scenario where he fights

[1:29:34] Goku he's as strong as he needs to be to

[1:29:37] win it's important to understand that

[1:29:39] this is a fallacy and if you were to

[1:29:41] take this seriously then any protagonist

[1:29:44] would automatically beat any other

[1:29:45] character you put them up against

[1:29:47] because protagonists have a nagging

[1:29:49] tendency to win their battles of course

[1:29:52] gone freaks defeats Vegeta in the story

[1:29:55] of Hunter Hunter gone is a freak of

[1:29:57] nature who always pulls out a victory

[1:30:00] see it's silly and it's it's

[1:30:02] wrong as

[1:30:04] athoth the works of HP Lovecraft often

[1:30:08] delve into a Pantheon of gods renowned

[1:30:10] for their Cosmic horror or the way their

[1:30:13] unfathomable existence strikes fear into

[1:30:16] the reader through inherent

[1:30:19] incomprehensibility most popular of

[1:30:21] these Gods is cthulu but the greatest of

[1:30:24] these Gods is the demon Sultan aatho

[1:30:28] ruling over time and space from a Black

[1:30:30] Throne in the center of chaos this outer

[1:30:33] veral Supreme deity is omniscient

[1:30:36] omnipresent and omnipotent his very form

[1:30:39] is not only a causal but a conceptual he

[1:30:43] cannot ever truly be perceived and every

[1:30:46] time someone glimpses his nature they

[1:30:48] see a completely different

[1:30:50] form sugs verse

[1:30:54] this refers to a collection of stories

[1:30:56] written by liony C sugs built upon the

[1:30:59] initial idea of pushing the very

[1:31:01] boundaries of What fictional characters

[1:31:03] are capable of achieving the quality of

[1:31:06] his writing is generally considered to

[1:31:08] be rather poor but Suggs himself as an

[1:31:11] interesting individual and he has a

[1:31:13] rather pervasive digital footprint

[1:31:15] across various different websites and

[1:31:17] forums scaling different characters and

[1:31:20] explaining his own character's abilities

[1:31:22] to give you a general idea of what to

[1:31:23] EXP ECT when reading Suggs verse content

[1:31:26] many characters are not only omnipotent

[1:31:29] but have power equal to omnipotence

[1:31:32] multiplied by Infinity now you probably

[1:31:36] guessed this is inherently nonsensical

[1:31:38] it doesn't make any sense but that's how

[1:31:40] Suggs verse characters function they are

[1:31:42] literally different conceptual forms of

[1:31:45] logic used to describe their abilities

[1:31:48] Spade logic and sugs logic when a

[1:31:51] character grows powerful enough they

[1:31:53] stop operating in accordance with

[1:31:55] logical principles and Ascend to the

[1:31:57] complex and confusing principles of one

[1:31:59] of these new forms of logic and at the

[1:32:02] very peak of power that a character can

[1:32:04] attain they tap into our final entry in

[1:32:08] this

[1:32:09] Iceberg reality fiction

[1:32:12] Transcendence Beyond Infinite Strength

[1:32:15] beyond the outerverse transcending

[1:32:18] causality omnipotence all forms of

[1:32:21] platonic Concepts and logic sitting at

[1:32:24] the very highest point in all of fiction

[1:32:27] is the real world our real world the one

[1:32:31] where you're watching a YouTube video

[1:32:32] right now the greatest feat a fictional

[1:32:35] character could possibly achieve would

[1:32:37] be to affect us affect the real world

[1:32:42] that is reality fiction

[1:32:44] Transcendence of course there's a

[1:32:46] simulated form of this Deadpool or

[1:32:49] She-Hulk will leave their comic book

[1:32:51] story and actually go speak to the

[1:32:53] writers at Marvel Studios but those

[1:32:55] events are still bound within the comic

[1:32:58] book or TV show where they happen this

[1:33:00] is just breaking the fourth wall true

[1:33:03] fiction Transcendence which we could

[1:33:05] call breaking the fifth wall is if

[1:33:08] Deadpool were to actually step out of

[1:33:10] the screen and shake your hand and until

[1:33:14] this happens the throne at the absolute

[1:33:17] Pinnacle of power scaling Still Remains

[1:33:20] unclaimed

[1:33:24] wow that was a lot honestly with how

[1:33:28] many different characters and worlds

[1:33:30] there are throughout all of fiction I

[1:33:32] could probably make an entirely separate

[1:33:34] Iceberg filled with more Niche and

[1:33:36] interesting power scaling topics and

[1:33:38] Concepts but I think this one gives you

[1:33:40] a pretty damn good intro into the

[1:33:43] hobby the last thing I want to say which

[1:33:46] is sort of like my love letter to the

[1:33:48] communities that I've been browsing

[1:33:49] since I was in Middle School is this

[1:33:52] power scaling is a fun F harmless

[1:33:55] activity for nerds who like math and

[1:33:57] debate as long as you're not toxic about

[1:34:00] it and you don't spend your time

[1:34:01] bothering people with hot takes they

[1:34:03] didn't ask for power scaling is a great

[1:34:06] hobby just like writing fanfiction or

[1:34:09] shipping or making stand edits or

[1:34:12] whatever else power scaling is a totally

[1:34:14] legitimate way to appreciate media that

[1:34:17] you like and if someone tells you it's

[1:34:19] stupid or pointless or annoying tell

[1:34:22] them they have no right to police how

[1:34:25] you choose to engage with your favorite

[1:34:28] stories