Thor Ragnarok + Love & Thunder Revisited! | Road to Doomsday

[00:02] Doomsday literally mean the same thing? I'm Eric Boss of the New Rockstars Doomsday, our weekly Marvel rewatch titles that paved the way to Avengers Doomsday coming this December. And as

[00:14] the second Doomsday teaser told us, Thor will return in Avengers Doomsday. And name on the set chairs in the March 2025 cast announcement video. And in this the god of thunder was truly reconceived by director Taiko Watiti in two films,

[00:29] Thor Ragnarok and its follow-up for ghoul Thor Love & Thunder. Jessica Clemens and I had a hella of a time comparing one of the MCU's greatest ones. We're going to talk about what really happened in that drop off and

[00:43] character discovered by Taoiti and refined by the Russo brothers will be take over the wheel again in Avengers Doomsday. We're going to talk about why was Thor crying? Why is he praying to Odin now in Doomsday? What happened to

[00:56] adopted from Gore in Love and Thunder? will Dr. Doom be the scariest threat that Thor faces? Join us as we offramp down the Bifrost bridge one more time on this Road to Doomsday.

[01:09] I think with Thor Love and Thunder, it's it's not great. >> I'm like, it's funny, but Tao, was that the only reason you put it in here? Was because it's funny. Thor Ragnarok. It has like a sense of purpose, a thematic

[01:21] purpose, and it takes itself seriously. It clearly does its homework, is just truer to the character of Thor and his Norse mythological underpinnings than any other movie before it. Asgard is not a place, it's a people. And New

[01:34] Rockstars is not a channel. It's a couple of nerds named Jessica and Eric talking about Marvel movies as we tick away the weeks to Avengers Doomsday. Uh, we're talking about Thor Ragnarok from 2017 and 2022's Thor Love Thunder.

[01:50] Really? Two movies that represent the height of the Infinity Saga and the depths of the multiverse saga. Right. >> Was this the first movie to come? No, after Well, it came out after after Thanos. After everything, after Endgame.

[02:05] after Multiverse of Madness in summer of 2022. >> Tell me the order it went in after Endgame. Okay, so after Endgame in uh 2019, we had Spider-Man Far From Home and then we had Co and then we had Black

[02:20] Widow. Then we had Shani, Eternals, >> then we had that was 2021. Then we had >> Okay. >> Multiverse of Madness >> Okay. Thor Thunder was the last one. It tied it up. Or was that World Wakanda?

[02:34] >> Oh, well uh it's weird where you draw the line, but I believe phase four ended [clears throat] Thor 11. >> Okay. Okay, perfect. So that was that bunch that entire bunch you said [laughter] was was the such a crazy a

[02:48] >> It was a mixed bag was a I that was that's actually putting it very nicely. >> Yeah. We wanted to pair these two Thor movies. Maybe it would have made more collectively, but we want to talk about the Taikoatiti era Thor movies because

[03:02] really the first one is like a snapshot of when all of culture was falling in love with Taikoiti. And then the second one was when people were starting to get a little sick of Taikoiti. And it's not necessarily anyone's fault really. It's

[03:16] just you could see that with Thor Ragnarok, he really cared deeply about he was just kind of like making movies during co is really hard. let's just do what we can and then he got >> something out and that's what we have

[03:30] we first watched it it's funny to revisit Thor 11 Thunder because you and I saw the we had the premiere for that I cried at the end of it we made this video where I was like it's like a 10 out of 10 and then like months and years

[03:44] >> was I just like going through something that week was I was I just I was about to get married I really wanted like a kid daughter and I don't know I the the

[03:56] later where I was like yikes. >> To be fair, re-watching it, it's just uh >> Yes, >> it's just really [ __ ] boring. and going back and watching it and I feel the only thing I feel bad and play

[04:10] devil's advocate for with these two movies together as Taiti's movies. It something fun because it's hard. I will say uh James Gunn isn't wrong. I never know what the [ __ ] Thor is about. I

[04:22] don't or like not the Thor movies, Thor the person. Um it's like eventually he into being the comedic relief and being not as necessary. Everyone had their own uh like whatever what have you storyline. And I feel like even off of

[04:38] Thor's was Loki's. And so I was like, "Okay, what does Thor want? What does does Thor want that doesn't have to be like, oh, I just have to save the "Oh, I have to kill Thanos because I look stupid." And then he got he gained

[04:51] because I didn't kill him." And then now it's all over. And it's like, "Okay, now >> Yeah. I I will say that like Thor loving or Thor Ragnarok shows that like Taek does take the character of Thor, the god of thunder, and his whole mythological

[05:05] origins and his family history very seriously. It uh it was really when the the character a bit of a joke, an endgame that I think Tao was like, I can this joke going. >> Take him. that I that's why I give it to

[05:19] what the [ __ ] do I do with him now?" And even in Thor Ragnarok, which is called of it are everything that doesn't have to do with Thor. Uh it's like everything dad, everything that was going to happen to uh Asgard. Even knowing what the

[05:35] Valkyrie were is like more important than me. It's just Thor's there to like like I was like, "Okay, Thor, what are you what about you? Other than being captured, what the hell are you doing?" Right. Also, Taigawati wrote Love and

[05:49] >> Uh, he did. He wrote Yeah, he wrote both movies. >> This is me saying this grain of salt. I just think he's not the greatest writer. Jojo Rabbit nicely. >> Yeah, I thought Jojo I think Hunt I

[06:02] certain kind of story. >> Yeah, maybe that's >> uh and I do think like the the it's a very difficult task uh to have a many different directors through so many huge events. And I really do think it

[06:16] huge events. And I really do think it was a loss of translation between uh the Russo brothers having control of the character after what Titi had kind of redefined the character. Uh they kind of kept that seriousness in Infinity War.

[06:29] reunited him with his mother. A reunion that I don't think any viewers needed, but we didn't mind when we saw it. And then going into Thor, Love and Thunder, think that plus trying to shoot that movie during COVID uh and with Titi kind

[06:44] of losing his enthusiasm for the IP is what led to the issues. But uh but I do lessons now that the Russos are regaining control of the character, even from the little we've seen of Thor in that uh teaser that we saw in December

[06:59] and in the Cineacon trailer that we saw. Hopefully soon in the trailer, maybe watching this video. Um, you really do feel like the Russos have gotten back to the basics with Thor as a character and let him be the proper god of thunder who

[07:15] is warning the others about threats and I I really like Thor from the Doomsday >> Yeah, he's very fun. >> Yeah. Um, so but let's revisit Ragnarok. Let's figure out like what what really cool things Taquiti did with this

[07:29] brothers are going to try to bring back um specifically in Doomsday. Um so looking back at Thor Ragnarok. This came out in 2017. Yes, it was directed by Taika, but we should be clear written by Eric Pearson, Craig Kyle, Christopher El

[07:44] Yoast, and Taikoiti kind of made it his own. But the screenplay was written by kind of a studio team. Eric Pearson has been Marvel Studios longtime scribe. Um, so this came out November 3rd, 2017. Thor Ragnarok opens with Thor, of

[07:57] the character, bound in chains by Certter, voiced by Clancy Brown, who's a fire giant demonic figure who's intent on bringing about Ragnarok. That's the apocalyptic end of Asgard that's prophecied throughout the annals of

[08:12] history that is like part of this like um it's like a destined event according um it's like a destined event according to Norse mythology. So, um the the Asgardian characters in the Marvel uh lore are have been worried about this

[08:25] event coming and Searcher's like, I want this to happen. Thor is able to get away and defeat Searcher. Uh in this really great um uh like immediately it's living delivering on the trailer we had for this by having

[08:39] the same music kicking in. Uh it's an incredible action sequence. He basically beheads this fire dragon that's chasing him. But Thor's been away from Asgard for a long time. And uh in that time that he's been gone, Thor finds that the

[08:52] Asgard is Loki, remember? And Thor the dark world. It ended with Loki being in charge. He had he actually did not die. So yeah, Tom Hston, I think that's superior to Love and Thunder is just the Loki factor. Loki's been pretending to

[09:07] be Odin this whole time. He's staging plays where Matt Damon and and Chris's brother is in there. Uh Thor and Loki though they travel to Earth to find Odin, the real Odin. Uh but at this Shady Acres retirement home, it's been

[09:21] demolished. They they're intercepted by Doctor Strange, Benedict Cumberbatch, kind of picking up with like that that postredit scene that we saw in 2016's Doctor Strange. They travel to where Odin actually is. U we find out in this

[09:33] re-shot scene on the Norwegian cliff side that the old man is dying. He says, "My sons," and he includes sons as in Loki is his son, too. who Tom Hston dies, he tells him that they actually have a sister, Hela, played by Kate Kate

[09:48] who was so dangerous that Odin had imprisoned her. But once he dies, she is into golden dust, floating off into the ocean, and then Hela comes back and it's awesome. Thor and Loki try to stop her, but she grabs Mujolnir and it shatters

[10:03] in her hand because she used to wield that hammer. So whatever uh worthiness charm that Odin placed on it, she can just kind of break through that. She can lift that thing, too. Uh, she pursues them as they're escaping through the

[10:15] Bifrost, but then they crack through the crystalline Bifrost out into space. Uh, when she arrives to Asgard, she immediately kills the Warriors 3. Zach Levi doesn't stand a chance as a recast fanrol. Uh, [laughter]

[10:29] she makes a second in command scourge. Carl Urban is in this movie. We can't forget. Um, and she raises her army of the dead as she just kills many in Asgard. Her ultimate goal is to use the Bifrost to expand beyond the nine realms

[10:43] fled with the sword that she needs to activate Heimdoll. But she goes through Odin's vault. She claims that that uh Thanos gauntlet that we saw in the 2011 Thor is a fake. She calls the casket of ancient winter's weak. She does take a

[10:58] look at the uh the blue tesseract that Loki will steal by the end of this movie to set up the beginning of Avengers Infinity War. But where did Thor and Well, they have crash landed on the trash planet of Sakar. It's just

[11:12] basically a big old dumping ground, but it exists at the exit of a bunch of wormholes or Einstein broen bridges or devil's anuses as they've called in this Valkyrie. Tessa Thompson arrives in this movie. Uh, she presents him to the

[11:26] Grandmaster played by Jeff Goldblum as a new gladiator fighter for his coliseum. a coliseum that has past gladiators on the outside of it, including Beta Ray Bill, Hulk, and other certain Marvel cameos. Thor ends up fighting his friend

[11:41] cameos. Thor ends up fighting his friend from work, Hulk, played by Mark Ruffalo. Basically, he gets ragdollled the way his adopted brother Loki did in Avengers his adopted brother Loki did in Avengers uh 2012. Um, Thor had wound up on Sakar

[11:55] after the events of Age of Ultron when he took the Quinn jet out of Earth's of these wormholes and ended up on Sakar. And he's been a gladiator here during the events of uh Civil War and that's why he wasn't in Civil War. Uh

[12:08] just before Thor did. And he used that extra time to get close to the Grandmaster, but Thor manages to convince a dehulked Bruce Banner and Valkyrie to come with him to Asgard to stop Hela. And Loki helps him steal a

[12:20] ship. Uh it's my birthday. Another great scene where it's very funny and just a really great colorful action sequence. Loki attempts to betray Thor at the last moment, but Thor is ready for it and betrays Loki instead. Thor, Valkyrie,

[12:33] and Bruce, the defenders as they're called in this movie. Uh, or revengers, whatever you want to I I said defenders. They're the revengers. Yeah, I'm a dumb dumb. Uh, Bruce, they fight their way off Sakar and they use a wormhole called

[12:45] where Heimd Doll and the Asgardian refugees are fleeing Hela. I forgot to mention something. The get help game that Thor and Loki use is delightful in this movie. Uh but basically they get to Asgard uh where the refugees are fleeing

[12:59] Hela and Scourge and the Army of the Raised Dead. Uh and let's not forget Hela's massive wolf Fenrris. Thor Thor fights Hela and loses an eye just like his father Odin. Uh but as we know according to legend Odin had to

[13:13] sacrifice that eye to gain cosmic wisdom. And that's the kind of wisdom that the god of thunder not the god of hammers but the god of thunder gains in of the dead. We find out that she was a Valkyrie whom Hela slaughtered in the

[13:26] past. Um, Bruce does hulk out to fight Fenis who eventually is thrown over the edge of Asgard which is a flat planet as Sher Shepard thinks Earth is. Loki shows Earth is flat. >> There's a certain number of celebrities

[13:41] know what? >> Too many NBA players. [laughter] >> Loki shows up with a different stolen ship from Sakar. This one loaded with a group of revolutionaries led by Corg Taoiti. a lot of fun ones in the

[13:54] different gladiator combat um people. The three-headed one where you have in the middle Taika's face, Chris's face, and I believe either his stunt man or his brother his brother's face. Uh Meek, like we can't forget about Meek, the

[14:07] scissor person in this movie as well. Um the refugees load onto the ship. This is, I believe, the Statesman is the name of the ship. No. Yes. Yes. While the army of the dead is destroyed, but Hela remains. Thor fights his sister to buy

[14:20] time while Loki goes into Odin's vault to combine Cer's skull with the eternal Yes, Ragnarok's not a place. It's a people and it must go in order for them to escape. Uh Certur gets his revenge on Hela. In fact, earlier Hela went in the

[14:33] vault and saw his skull and she's just like whatever. She underestimated Certur and he's the one who got her in the end. Loki, Thor, and Hulk and Valkyrie escape with Heimdoll and the refugees as Searcher destroys Asgard and Hela. The

[14:45] mid-redit scene, Thanos's spacecraft, the Sanctuary 2, overtakes the Statesman Earth, leading to the opening scene of Avengers Infinity War. And in a declares the revolution on Sakar a tie. Yes, [laughter] revolutionaries are not

[15:01] a big fan of the Grandmaster. Um, so revisiting uh Thor Ragnarok. Your >> I love Thor Ragnarok. probably the Marvel movie I've watched the most, weirdly, but I think it's because it equally is just entertaining and doesn't

[15:15] actually ripple that much of the MCU other than like the postredit scene. Um, I think it's just like fun. I think the most it does ripple is for like she Hulk cuz then you're like, "Oh yeah, Hulk has a child there." Like that's mainly like

[15:27] a child there." Like that's mainly like >> Scar [laughter] Scar as a car scar scar J?" >> Exactly. That's where I'm like, "Yeah, room. It was, it just feels like a movie that you can watch and just really enjoy

[15:40] without having to like use it as homework or have to like figure out where everything is and where everything is supposed to go. Um, and it's so nice to watch Loki. It's so funny to watch Loki in this movie. This is the I'VE

[15:53] BEEN FALLING FOR 13 MINUTES. >> THERE'S SO MANY GREAT lines in this >> There is a there's a bunch of really good lines in this movie. It's so good. And that opening fight scene is amazing. And also Clancy Brown is so [ __ ]

[16:05] funny. It's a crown. I thought it was an eyebrow. [laughter] I thought it was one >> It's such It's got such a deep bench this movie. I mean, you talk about the this movie. I mean, you talk about the leads of like Ruffalo, Hemsworth, Hston,

[16:18] Kate Blanchett, maybe one of the best >> Blanchett, Jeff Goldblum, Tessa >> Tessa Thompson, Carl Urban is [ __ ] Irving. list. Anthony Hopkins comes back. >> Anthony Hopkins.

[16:30] >> Uh, man, it's just uh so great. Like so much is working well in this movie. And then the newcomers are just instantly great as Valkyrie. >> And the I I forget her name every time

[16:43] funny. The person that works alongside Jeff Goldblum. >> Oh. Oh. Oh. From um >> the New Topaz is the name. >> the New Topaz is the name. >> She's so [ __ ] funny. Oh my god. Her

[16:55] and Jeff Goldblum was such a good match. I think they just all had so much fun like even though >> Rachel House is a New Zealand actress. >> So [ __ ] funny. So so funny. She's such a funny person. But I think that

[17:08] was like everyone was just having fun. Yeah. And it was like Sakar was such a whatever you guys want to do. Make it [ __ ] Wizard of Oz up in this [ __ ] >> I What works really well in this movie is like as goofy and as like kind of

[17:23] is like as goofy and as like kind of silly almost uh saccharine artificial some of these sets look like once we get to Sakar. uh and as like visually kind to Sakar. uh and as like visually kind of almost desaturated to a sense

[17:35] sometimes this movie can look like uh it has like a sense of purpose, a thematic purpose and it takes itself seriously. It's not completely undercutting the character of Thor leading up to this point. Yes, it is comedic. Yes, it is

[17:50] irreverent. And yes, it does deconstruct some of the [ __ ] that we saw in the second Thor movie and maybe in some of the the Jos Sweden um written subplots the the Jos Sweden um written subplots for Thor um uh in Age of Ultron.

[18:04] for Thor um uh in Age of Ultron. However, it also clearly does its homework with like the with Odin with the cover up of Hela as like this prethor the like Asgard needs to be destroyed

[18:16] according to the Ragnarok event and it actually follows through on that is just really gnarly and very bold and feels >> truer to the character of Thor and his Norse mythological underpinnings than any other movie before it. I think Hela

[18:30] brought Hela and Odin, that part was completely every time we got to Asgard, most horrible [ __ ] because we were watching like all the uh all the soldiers or whatever the guards be like, "We're not going to work for you. You're

[18:42] you." And then she took them all off. She wiped them all clean and just kept the weakest, right? >> And then he had his own internal battle of like [ __ ] dude. Like >> I don't want to die, but my people are

[18:55] So, it's like it was nice to get that piece of like things are really hitting the fan on Sakar 100%. But we can be funny about it, but we all know that back to Asgard as soon as possible.

[19:08] feeling like, man, you did away with the Warriors 3 that fast. They did this movie does make a joke out of the Warriors 3, which like >> I mean, I don't know. I I rewatching the first Thor and the second Thor. I really

[19:22] do like the Warriors 3. Um, so to get rid of them so quickly and uh what was the other thing? Oh. Oh, no. Lady Sith at all in this movie. >> I think I think those were the the past years. And I don't think I'm not saying

[19:36] they deserve to be treated like this, but I think just like the Warriors 3 was they were like, "Oh, she was a joke in like, "Oh, sorry that Jane dumped you." And then it made it feel like it was so

[19:49] Thunder showed up, I was like, "Oh, she's important to you." >> So, it's like I think it was better to like cut that [ __ ] off, cauterize it, never would have brought the Warriors 3 back cuz it's like, "Oh, if they were so

[20:02] good then leave it there cuz now you just kind of made it a bit." >> I don't mind revisiting Loki and they get into that one like room or whatever he was in when he kept getting kicked in the nuts. That's funny. That's fine. the

[20:16] >> Yeah, cuz that took us back to a moment then, but us bringing them back was >> Agreed. Agreed. I think the the certain parts of Thor's backstory that get parts of Thor's backstory that get jettisoned in uh in Thor Ragnarok, like

[20:30] I think Taikoiti did try to bring honestly Thor Love and Thunder is more of a sequel to Thor the Dark World and this Thor Ragnarok and how much it embraces Jane Foster and Lady Cyph and and like other gods of this universe. I

[20:45] there's like a great sense of exploration where Thor isn't someone who and Earth. He's someone who like can bounce around the cosmos in a very fun Galaxy. Yes. >> And I I can see the idea behind teaming

[20:59] >> It makes sense. >> But in execution, it didn't really pay >> It just made him more funny, and I didn't want him more funny. Like I The Guardians is really good at balancing like comedy with like sadness, but I

[21:15] incorporate >> Thor. He's a different tragedy and he's also a god. So it's a lot different. It's like the Guardians are supposed to they're the ones that are like the pieces of [ __ ] Thor's never been a

[21:29] been the silver spoon. He was throwing things on the ground as soon as he got I'll give devil's advocate for that. I'm like, it seem it makes sense on paper, but then actually when you think about

[21:42] make this man blend with these these rag rag tag group or whatever the hell you with Thor on it. >> Oh, totally. I think the the decision to team up Thor with Hulk was really the special sauce of this movie. It was like

[21:57] what people wanted to see since Hulk punched Thor out of the frame in 2012 in I mean that that's really what made this movie so successful is seeing Thor or seeing Hulk in that marketing the arena fight is just incredible. Uh we can talk

[22:13] about the Thor of it all in a second but I think we also while we credit the Ruffalo team up of this >> um uh uh Jeff Goldblum and Kate Blanchett get the assignment so well in this movie.

[22:26] >> They are um iconic in both of their performances. Um they fit in this world. They seem to understand the direction from Taikoiti. They they they just fit into the Marvel world in ways that like you don't always see with big actors

[22:39] Bale fits into the Marvel world as well as those two do in this movie. >> I think they I it feels like they wrote Jeff Goldblum for the Grandmaster. Like Goldlum. >> Wait, wait, what did I say? They wrote

[22:52] >> Wait, wait, what did I say? They wrote Jeff Goldby [laughter] they wanted someone that's like not just like like not sexually fluid, but just like a woo whimsical kind of I live in a dump,

[23:05] >> but like I'm fun. It's better than the collector, but it's like it's like a James or not James Gun, I think Jeff Goldblum does such a good job with it. the wizard again. It's like looking at the wizard, but like the wizard of the

[23:19] dumpville. Like if this is like uh what is that board game Candyland? There's king. >> He He does uh I think someone at Marvel executive was like, "Look what Benio del Toro did

[23:33] Just do a version of that because they're both elders of the universe. were free to do whatever you want." Kate Blanchett though is someone who like gets both like the the costume and the visual effects that would be applied on

[23:46] top of her in ways that maybe only Josh Brolan understood as Thanos because the way she understood how her antler crown would grow as her power grew throughout the film and how she could like >> change her silhouette and the way she

[23:59] moved her body, how she swept it back and it grew like as if it was this elaborate hairpiece is just incredible. I I would have loved to watch a lot of women play that role just for fun, but I love that it went to Gabe Blanchett.

[24:12] Kate Blanchett also because I think Kate Blanchett doesn't is not afraid to have she's been doing so many roles that she's like, "Yeah, let me be [ __ ] mean as shit." It's like the This is a weird not great analogy, but Rachel

[24:25] George because Rachel McAdams is not Regina George. She's like, "Today I'm a want to play someone that was so [ __ ] mean." Like, it just wasn't really me to at it. And I feel like Kay Blanchard's like, "Give me any role and I'm gonna

[24:39] try it and I'm gonna play it really [ __ ] well." She plays a gay woman very [ __ ] well. >> And I think you are a gay woman, Kay Blanchett. But like playing this role, she was just like, "Oh, I want to be a

[24:51] super." It's It's kind of how I'm expecting um what's her name with Clea? >> Oh, I want to see Charlies. I want to see it. I need to see I need the Doctor she's going to chew just like this. I really want to believe that that Charlie

[25:07] Theron is going to like [ __ ] murder as Cle. Like it gives me the same vibe. >> We should talk about Hulk in this movie because I believe this is the first movie that shows the transition into the smart Hulk form that we see in Endgame

[25:21] and beyond of this is a Hulk that can talk. Now, he's not great at talking, but I believe physically in this movie it is like the largest Hulk appears on screen. He looks like he's like 12 feet tall as opposed to 8t tall, but he can

[25:34] kind of string together, you know, bad grammar sentences, but he is smarter and he's more in control. Like he's just kind of like a jock in this movie. He's like Maximus in this uh Sakar arena. He's not rampaging around Sakar breaking

[25:50] >> He He has a bed that he sleeps in. >> That bed is giant back in Deadpool and Wolverine. This is also the movie where I which I love. You acknowledge how like Hulk is not stupid Hulk, but he's also not the smartest Hulk, but he recognizes

[26:06] um he recognizes Natasha cuz he gets the screen record. That that's that's the Natasha's like, "Hey, okay, now turn the ship back around." He turns it off. But then when they go back into the the vehicle, he sees the recording and

[26:19] >> The Scarlet the voice of Scarlett Johansson. >> Sun's getting real low. Sun's getting real low, big guy. And he's going ship. >> He dents the the Quinjet. Um the Yeah,

[26:35] but I do think like seeing Hulk have a bit more personality I think was was fun wanted to see like what does it look like when someone who looks like a big green muscular monster can actually just like talk and have to sit in a room with

[26:49] me. And I think they loved that too much from this movie. And they didn't realize audiences liked about Hulk in this movie was just seeing him fight Thor in the in the arena. Uh it wasn't like seeing him

[27:04] um stew in a hot bath and then looking at his ass as he's walking around. >> I I liked him. I liked him talking with Valkyrie a lot. Um because but only thing because I was like, "Yeah, I like see Mark Ruffalo has the Avengers. He

[27:16] has Natasha. What does the Hulk have?" And it's like, oh, this is actually a world where Hulk is like revered rather than hated or feared. And I was like, oh girl. Like, hell yeah. Let's see how he works. And I like that like they started

[27:31] even like after he switched into uh normal Bruce Banner, he was just like, I've known you from somewhere. Don't I know you from somewhere? I like you. I like that we kind of get to stretch what Hulk can do in those regards. Yeah. I

[27:45] know damn well we're not getting a movie anytime soon. Uh, and if we do get a movie, how are you gonna do a Hulk movie without acknowledging he has a son? up in Spider-Man. >> I hope it doesn't. I hope it doesn't

[27:57] >> But also, I'm not going to the deadbeat dad allegations for Bruce Banner is now. And we should all hold him accountable if we see him not talk about >> on on Rape My Professor at Empire State University. Someone's like, "I don't

[28:11] think my professor pays child support." Oh, and that's a big [ __ ] deal if he support, I'm like, [laughter] I'm like, YOU GO PAY. ALSO, I don't know how child support works on Sakar, but I feel like he should be doing something.

[28:24] Don't don't let this man don't let this that man slide. >> I I do think the Russo brothers did have Thor Ragnarok on their mind for Avengers Doomsday. I think just that shot of a

[28:39] short-haired Thor praying to his all father Odin. Like Thor is the last time Thor was thinking about Odin this much was in Thor Ragnarok. Not as much in at that point. So like the whole idea of Odin being an all father who appears to

[28:54] his son through this kind of spectral form I think is very important to the Thor and Doomsday. Um and I think this whole idea I mean Doomsday and Ragnarok are basically synonyms, >> right? So like the Ragnarok is the Norse

[29:06] version of a doomsday of an apocalypse. Uh so basically Thor has lived through seeing his world explode into flame. He's about to live through that again in doomsday. So I think he is an important elder statesman of the Avengers now who

[29:20] was like look >> you know when when Asgard had to be burned from Certur it was this prophecied event. It had to happen um I Earth to Midgard. It's not in our prophecies. So there's some other dark

[29:35] >> I think it would be nice though to see him be like this is just what has to be not maybe all superheroes, but there will be people in the world of the this has to happen. Not not because it like has to, but it's not they can say

[29:51] what God expects. But I think there are going to be a lot of people that think just like Thanos and are like, "Yeah, maybe we need this world tore up to come that's something that Thor will have like that will be his unfortunate like

[30:05] movie. We'll be like honestly we should let this happen. >> There's no fe defeating it. We just have to save as many as we can. Love and Thunder, we'll talk about like the love of it all and how that

[30:17] Doomsday because I think based off of what we've seen, she will. Um the moment that we saw in the Cinema Cineon trailer where Dr. Doom stops Stormbreaker >> uh is almost like the exact framing of Hela stopping Molir in Thor Ragnarok.

[30:34] to freak out Thor. He's going to be like this is a threat that I have not faced since my sister. Uh but you have other powers that even Hela did not have. So do we think we'll get any kind of reference to what Thor went through

[30:47] specifically in Ragnarok? Is >> I think he'll bring it up. I think he they are basically the same events and only a couple people can arguably say the X-Men's universe first and we see the X-Men

[31:00] those people come into whatever universe they can also acknowledge like hey this is what happened to us d Thor will be like when all my people died we could only take like five like there I think this is now the time to go to people

[31:14] what can we do so he better bring it up I I I'm not trying to say like he has to >> Yeah. >> A a man just destroyed your planet and do we handle this? >> I think I'll make a $100 Koshi bet on

[31:29] >> I'll do it on something else. >> Uh of Thor saying the line in Asgard, we >> Oh, that's a good one. >> In Midgard, you have terms like Doomsday because of X-Men. >> Because of Apocalypse. I don't think I

[31:44] don't think they want to say Apocalypse anyways. But, um I agree with you. And if they don't say Ragnarok, they he will be like, I've been through this before. >> It'll be some kind of reference. It will be a reference though because he has

[31:56] been through it. Um and no one else has. >> Yeah, cuz kind of the Statesman craft that they're on at the end of this movie is kind of like the life rafts that Reed Doomsday. They're going to there's going to be a bunch of people in a viewing

[32:09] window of a life raft ship looking at their world be destroyed. Did Did Thor also brought it up already though in Endgame and Infinity War where there was people died because >> he talked about that in Infinity War. He

[32:23] Guardians found. >> I'm trying to think of the argument he and it seems more about like everyone being like, "Oh, so we should just let everyone die." And he's going to be like, "Well, yeah." [laughter]

[32:35] >> I don't I don't think Thor will be like that. I think Thor is going to be like the Asgardian people were able to resettle in new Asgard. There's nowhere for us to resettle now. I think is >> Well, I think uh in short ways, yeah,

[32:49] that's why I'm like I think he's going to say it in a nicer way than I'm saying it, but I think he is going to be like >> I think eventually they're going to have that are about to go into the flames and this is that. And unfortunately like

[33:02] Infinity War did do a lot of it. This one will be like, "Oh no, there is no defeating it. There is no coming back. We We don't know what to do. He just ripped apart different parts of the globe." Like, that's insane. This man

[33:14] destroy us. He destroyed the globe. So, what are we going to do? We don't even have a a ground to stand on. It's going to be It's going to be insane. And I >> Yeah. [laughter] Um, I also think the praying the idea of a praying Thor, I

[33:28] connection between Ragnarok and this next one. Although there are prayers that we'll talk about in a second, but just to kind of like catch everyone up on how this movie even came together. The whole idea like uh the whole idea of

[33:42] Ragnarok was first mentioned by Kevin Feige um back in late 2014. That was when he was announcing his big like phase three slate that would lead to Infinity War and people saw the name Ragnarok on screen and got very excited.

[33:55] A year later, Taikoiti presented a reel to Marvel that showed off the tone of Zeppelin's Immigrant Song, which features prominently in the first trailer for the film and the final film in its opening 20 minutes. Chris

[34:08] was happy to play Thor, that he'd grown a bit bored with the way that Thor had "We've done Regal, we've done Shakespeare, and we've shown that. I think it's time to go, okay, cool. Let's try something different." together. He

[34:22] and Taikoiti leaned into Hemsworth's comedic chops that everyone kind of figured out when they saw the 2016 Ghostbusters film. How funny Chris Hemsworth was. Uh to present a new version of Thor to the MCU with said a

[34:36] in a way kind of dismantling and destroying the old idea and rebuilding Everybody's got a slightly new take on their character. So in that way it feels like this is the first Thor. A wild thing to say after there have been two

[34:52] Brana, the other directed by Alan Taylor Thor appeared in directed by Jos Sweden's [laughter] >> I think he's he didn't mean that completely. Maybe he said well I feel

[35:06] project. I'd be like who gives a [ __ ] about those sad dramatic ones? Don't you want to care about mine? Uh but I also am like I've watched this one a million times. I've watched the first Thor maybe twice. [laughter] like I'm like I don't

[35:19] children. I'll say that much. >> Now Marvel never requested that any of the earth-based characters in previous Thor films be included and that um and that the film would take place in the Marvel cosmos. Specifically, Kevin Feige

[35:33] are a lot of different planets outside the nine realms that we visit in this film. So that's also why we don't see Eric Selvig either or or or Darcy Carden people who are like considered part of the Thor, you know, lineup that just are

[35:48] not part of this movie at all or its vision at all. Principal photography began in July 2016 in Australia and wrapped in October of that same year. Taikaiti made it a priority to hire indigenous and Aboriginal Australians

[36:00] for the crew, saying it's a responsibility to have the indigenous to a country and you're bringing money into the economy and creating jobs, but responsibility to look after the people that have less opportunities. I thought

[36:13] that have less opportunities. I thought that was great. Um, and so this is this was like in the midst of phase three. We went from 2016 where we had Captain America: Civil War going into Doctor Strange. Thor shows up in the postredit

[36:25] months later, we have a trailer for Thor Love and Thunder, a movie that's going to unite him with Hulk. and Doctor Strange is going to be be in the midst of that. It felt like the continuity, the cinematic universe was thriving, was

[36:38] whole wholesome. It was alive and well. It didn't feel over complicated. Didn't homework. Just watch these movies a couple times a year and you're set >> and then >> and then it wasn't until later on when

[36:51] overall, uh, Thor Ragnarok was a massive Thor Ragnarok. >> A plus cinema score. Audiences. >> Great. I think it was great. I think it it, when it originally came out, some of the gripes that we all had here were

[37:04] like the pacing and timing of it. Um, but I was like I was on a roller coaster of fun the entire time. It was such a ball of fun. It's so easy to watch. It's so fun. >> It's very fun. I will say the um a lot

[37:17] >> It's very fun. I will say the um a lot of Taoiti's cinematography, it's not all it is all on him. The shot composition is shot like what we do in Shadows. Um, I'm like, "Oh, yeah. This is >> Rewatch the scene." And a lot of the

[37:29] color balancing is just >> it's clear Taikoi doesn't care about that stuff because like when when Thor and Loki are in the town square looking at Shady Acres, it's like this looks like Flash Thompson and Spider-Man No

[37:43] >> Yeah, it is. >> Um when we get to the Odin countryside where like clearly that was reshot from this dirty alley where we had a hobo version of Odin. And while it's a beautiful scene in the finished edit, it

[37:58] does have a lot of CG quality that at the time we didn't care about because sequences were incredible. The stunt fighting was awesome. Um it's just like

[38:10] uh the way the Bifrost bridge looks like the the lighting is just like a little too even. and it doesn't have uh a lot of cool vibrancy until the god of and then the lightning creates some cool lighting effects on the character. Um

[38:26] but overall it does get away with it just because it it accomplishes so much that we're willing to forgive some of the visually dull stuff that Titi >> he did not do that in the follow-up film.

[38:39] >> So you ready to move on >> to Thor Love and Thunder. >> To Thor Love and Thunder. Uh, so Thor Love and Thunder was directed by Taikoiti, written by Taoiti and Jennifer Caitlyn Robinson. This released July

[38:51] 8th, 2022. So what had changed? Again, we talked about this. Uh, we went from a movie that came out right before Avengers Infinity War. Uh, literally this movie came out and then three like Ragnarok came out in early November

[39:05] 2017. 3 weeks later we had the Infinity War trailer that had so much Thor in it. So, man, it really felt like this was the ramp up into Infinity War and Endgame. Then Thor got fat in Endgame. Uh, but he's losing the weight now. We

[39:19] have uh by the time Thor 11 Thunder was coming out, I believe we had had no the come out yet, but we had seen these other movies, these late 2021 movies.

[39:31] But in uh late 2021, of course, Spider-Man No Way Home comes out and is a massive massive hit. So, it it creates this kind of like this sense of security among Marvel fans throughout the first half of 2022. We're like, "Okay,

[39:46] >> Marvel never really missed a wink. Yes, that COVID thing happened, but No Way Home came out. The Multiverse Saga is going to be great. We had a trailer for Madness at the Super Bowl where it showed the X-Men are part of it. But

[40:00] then in 2022, we have Moonnight that comes out and Moonnight's good. Moon Moonnight is fine, but there's certain things that happen in Moonnight where it feels like they don't really know what they're doing. Uh that goes into Mis

[40:14] Marvel that comes out in June. A great show. Iman Valani, incredible casting, but there's certain episodes in it where we're like, huh, what exactly are they doing? Uh, Multiverse of Madness felt like a very much re-shot film, a film

[40:28] that we really liked, but had certain qualities where it didn't have the cohesion that a lot of that Thor Ragnarok had and other movies that were just directed by these other kind of singular aur.

[40:41] That brings us to July of 2022. Thor Love Thunder happens. The trailers for Love Thunder happens. The trailers for it had us a bit unsure what it was going >> Yeah. But >> I think they had a lot more and maybe I

[40:54] more Christian Bale in it than I thought. Or is the other way around? >> Okay. There was one way where I was like, is this the love story of Jane having cancer or is this them trying to defeat Gore?

[41:09] merged together. I remember they announced this at all the way back at the pre-COVID 2019 Comic- Con that happened right after Endgame and that was the big announcement like Taikoiti's like we're doing the Jason Aaron story

[41:22] line we got the mighty Thor Jane Foster Portman's back she's holding Muolnir and so everyone's like okay let's see what you do with this here's what they did with it 11 Thunder opens up with Gore

[41:36] Christian Bale and his daughter trudging through a barren wasteland Gore's daughter dies of starvation and dehydration, Gore is brought to the lush realm of his god, uh, who's like a sun deity. This sun deity does not care at

[41:51] all. Uh, but then a god-killing weapon, the necro sword, sort of chooses Gore, and Gore uses this weapon to kill his god, spilling his golden blood, and vows to kill all other gods, becoming the god Butcher. Meanwhile, Thor, our god of

[42:06] thunder, is roaming the galaxy with the Guardians of the Galaxy. They're all teamed up as we last saw them at the end of Avengers Endgame. He has lost the looking buffer than ever in this movie honestly. Um he's got a full like

[42:19] American Gladiators build now. Uh but when Thor learns that new Asgard, the new Asgard in Norway is under threat. He leaves the Guardians to go save the day and runs into Jane Foster. Natalie Portman is now back. She's now wielding

[42:32] Mujolnir in this movie. Despite her dying of cancer, she has visited New Asgard where the shattered remains of Mujolnir have reforged and she is one hell of a Thor. She's a lady Thor. She's looking pretty buff. They use some VFX

[42:47] to make Natalie Portman look larger. Uh, but the way Mjolnir looks in this movie is actually pretty rad. It's like cracked and broken. She's able to use it as a range weapon where the pieces go out like projectiles and then return.

[42:59] they're fighting off all these like the these shadow realm forms that that Gore has taken throughout New Asgard to take the children of of uh New Asgard. The kids have been kidnapped. Yeah. But Jane has stage four cancer. She really sought

[43:14] out Molir as a last last dish effort to beat this cancer. Uh there's a lot of doesn't have time to process because a small army of shadow beasts has captured these children and all the parents of Asgard are pissed off and have to like

[43:27] something has to be done. So Thor and Jane Foster and Corg and Valkyrie, they Jane Foster and Corg and Valkyrie, they go to Omnipotent City, home of the gods, and they seek help from Zeus, played by Russell Crowe in this movie. There are

[43:39] a different representation of mythological gods of Earth here. There reference to a god of carpentry, which is probably a reference to Jesus Christ different celestials that are in the background. But in Omnipotent City, they

[43:55] learn that Zeus is kind of an [ __ ] he prefers to hide from Gore rather than help defeat him. Also, Thor learns that Gore plans to travel to eternity, the the kind of wellspring of eternity. Uh, and that if he succeeds, he'll be able

[44:08] he'll be granted one wish, kind of the wishing well logic of eternity in this movie. And Gore's wish will be to be the end of all the gods either way. So, Thor and the gang end up steal stealing Zeus's lightning bolt. They kill Zeus

[44:21] with it. Uh, this is after Thor gets stripped of his clothes and uh, we see some fun tattoos on his back. >> Um, they take their goat boat. Yeah, we can't forget the two goats, the two screaming goats of this movie. Uh, they

[44:35] the shadow realm, this kind of tiny Rick and Morty planet where Gore is holding they arrive, it's clear that Gore has as bait to dupe Thor into bringing him Stormbreaker so that he can use

[44:49] Stormbreaker is kind of like a portable byifrost. He wants to use it to travel byifrost. He wants to use it to travel via to eternity that way. Uh, but Thor survives the fight intact. Both Jane and Valkyrie are injured or weakened. And

[45:02] pile of he's just like a stone face cuz uh Zeus's lightning just kind of broke him apart into stones. In New Asgard, it's revealed that Jane's cancer isn't healing because of her time as Thor. Uh, this is a lot is revealed here through

[45:16] some pretty bad CGI of poor Axel Heimdel's son leading to a lot of complaints about the CGI in this movie. So, Thor heads to face Gore alone, but lightning bolt to imbue the newly freed children with lightning power. And we

[45:30] got a bunch of superpowered kitties in this movie. Together, they fight off a bunch of shadow monsters, but Gore very nearly kills Thor. Jane shows up with Mjolnir at the last moment. Together, uh, she and Thor destroy the necro

[45:43] sword. Even so, Gore makes it to the Eternity Wellspring realm. Jane dies in Thor's arms, reminding Gore of his daughter, and when he uses her wish to revive her, pleading with Thor to to look after her. Yes, Eternity in this

[45:56] movie transforms into the entity known as Love, played by India Rose Hemsworth, Chris Hemsworth's daughter. Uh Thor ends up honoring this promise and in a cod we see him and this child love heading to battle together in a classic Thor

[46:10] adventure as we hear sweet child oh mine. Back in New Asgard, Valkyrie leads the recovered children in training and a monument is built for Jane. In a mid-credit sequence, we see Zeus sending Hercules to find and kill Thor. And in

[46:24] the postredit scene, Heimdoll welcomes Jane to Valhalla. The appearance of Brett Goldstein as Hercules. And the postredit scene is, I think, the third of the Marvel postredit scenes where people are like, "Oh, wait. We may never

[46:37] >> Okay. >> Still looked good. Still look good as Still looked good as Hercules. And out of all of them, >> uh, other Blade, other than Blade, I'm only looking forward to him. [laughter]

[46:50] And it's not going to happen. >> I'm pretty sure Clea will show up in >> I assume she will. So, she's out of I put her out of the lighting cuz or the put her out of the lighting cuz or the lineup in my in my horrible way. I'm so

[47:03] without understanding what happened between him and her in that world. Like, so I'm I have to see Clea at some form again. There's no way you guys can not. >> And I think they will in Secret Wars, but I mean, when are we going to see

[47:16] >> That's the thing. I was like, I don't know. And I would love to see Hercules. Um, I'd love to see, but it would have to be again another kind of like oneoff this would be the third movie of Thor that's like silly stupid.

[47:29] >> Like cuz I don't think Hercules is like in the comics Hercules is fun, but he's not like as fun as Thor. So it's like what the [ __ ] the POINT OF BRINGING HIM BACK? UM, and that's Star Fox should come back, but I also don't think Star

[47:42] >> Yeah. [laughter] >> And also Harry Styles I don't think will recasted, which is fine. which is completely fine. >> Yeah, that's I was like I don't think Angel What? Angel Julie is going to come

[47:56] >> No, >> I think with Thor, Love and Thunder, it's it's not great. It it it it's it's fine. There's a lot in it that actually works very very well. But I think this just came at a time when Kevin Feige was

[48:09] stretched too thin. I think it was when he was busiest. was when like they were in between uh Moonnight, Mis Marvel, and She-Hulk in that summer of 2022 when like they were looking ahead to 2023 titles, Ant-Man 3 and Black Panther

[48:22] Wakanda forever, Black Panther forever. They wanted to give Ryan Cougler all the right. But even then, a lot of people were questioning like, do we really want Cougler's like, "Trust me." And we were right to trust him because he made

[48:36] guy [ __ ] died." Yeah, >> my guy [ __ ] died. TACO WAS EASY HAS >> RIGHT? I KNOW. AND AND I think Wakanda [laughter] Forever is a much better >> Yeah. Especially someone that had to adapt on the fly. I'm like 100%. This

[48:49] reading it, I said the children didn't need to be a part of it. you're reading it where I immediately was like this didn't this was not we were emotional at the end because watching Jane die and that child come

[49:03] back was actually emotional. Those parts were emotional and that was at the very end. But all that other [ __ ] in the middle, I did not need. And there were other [ __ ] in that movie. And I don't know what he was doing that made him go,

[49:17] you know what? I'm making it a CHILD STORY. LIKE I DON'T I don't understand it. I don't understand. Like I honestly don't even think we had to go cuz the nothing came of them going to the hall of Onipid City. Nothing came of it. And

[49:29] a lot of [ __ ] was taken out was deleted scenes. So what was the [ __ ] point? Sorry. WHAT WAS THE POINT OF EVEN LIKE WRITING? I'm more mad that at the whole Tao, was that the only reason you put it in here? Was because it's funny? Cuz

[49:43] [ __ ] in there except for make it great for people like us that can be like, "Oh, there's Jesus. There's uh Black Panther's [ __ ] God. There's this." Like, there was no reason to go there. And [clears throat]

[49:55] it's it's it makes me just very frustrated cuz the ending was very sad and very emotional. I do not like watching Jane Foster die of cancer slowly throughout the entire movie and then finally know like I have to go and

[50:07] very emotional. But everything else up until that point I was like >> what are we doing? What are we doing? >> That's right. It's a major I I think I think Taikoiti at this point trusted himself too much and I think Marvel

[50:20] Studios trusted him too much in this movie. It needed Eric Pearson. It needed their their instudio writers. Pearson also was the reason Thunderbolts was as good as it was. A lot of people love to credit Jake Shrier and those and those

[50:32] writers from Beef. They are half of it, but Eric Pearson is the other half of it. And I think he wasn't in the room for this movie. I think it was shot second unit directors who really made Ragnarok as great as it was. And I think

[50:46] Taika was just like he's made so many stories that once he sees something that looks like one like Hunt for the Wilder People or one of these other Jojo Rabbit type stories of like taking a child and killing off a character and finding a

[50:59] way to heal that that anything else in the movie he can just throw in there that uh I think he wanted to explore like the silly cosmos. You have the bird people in the opening battle with the indigarens you have

[51:11] beginning was >> I don't I don't even think it was too much. I just think it was like all thematically disconnected to the story >> And I think that's too much. I think I don't think that's too much, but I also

[51:23] think I mean I devil's advocate for one reason and that's that yeah, how the hell are you going to pick up from after Thor was with the Guardians? Like what just flying through space? I guess them all defeating things kind of works

[51:35] we're kind of tired of this guy, so we're going to leave him with these screaming goats." The screaming ghost was another bit that's like, oh yeah, of it. [laughter] >> I think I think they it was funny at the

[51:48] beginning and then it's like we have to live with this whole nerd immediately. I'm so sorry. Okay, so like in tone it changed a little bit too much. I think the Jane Foster story line was the one part I did really like of it. Um but

[52:02] that was only again because I was like this very smart woman is trying to beat cancer and realizes oh maybe this will help and it's just making it worse. help and it's just making it worse. But she's willing to take that to it.

[52:15] But she's willing to take that to it. Don't come at me. But how recogniz recognizes they have to sacrifice their own being, their own life to like save

[52:28] everyone. And I was like, "Oh, Jane, don't you don't even like this man." But for him." >> I I think um I I like the comic storyline that he was adapting for Jane Foster. I don't think it works in this

[52:40] movie. >> I I just think it's like it's what was discovered about Thor as like this cosmic planet hopping hero and Thor Ragnarok to kind of make this sequel this legacy sequel to Thor: The Dark

[52:54] World. Um I I just don't I've always I've said this for a while. I think Natalie Portman was miscast as Jane Foster. I just think she's too good of a talent to not to say the character Jane Foster is not great. I just think it's

[53:06] >> should have been. Should have been Cad Dennings. Cad Dennings was great, too. I just think like the character as uh he as Thor was redefined by Ta and then by the Russos in Infinity War. I think that

[53:21] Russos in Infinity War. I think that handoff was like for me peak Thor. Like this is exactly what I want Thor to be. He's his subplot in an Avengers movie is to forge a god-killing weapon. Are you kidding me? This rocks. uh seeing him

[53:34] fight in a gladiator arena with Hulk. Awesome. That's all I want from him. And then having to be okay with uh his prophecy Norse mythological doomsday happening. Awesome. Um teaming them up with the Guardians of the Galaxy, I

[53:47] think, does not work as well. Part of it is because they were too big of a group. And honestly, they were a group defined in a specific way by James Gunn in volume 2 that the Russo brothers were able to bring in enough in Doom or in

[54:00] Infinity War and Endgame that like I didn't want to see Taika's take on them. I wanted to see James Gun's take on them. So like that also did not work without having Loki in there. This movie really suffers without Loki.

[54:12] about Thor is I'm like I'm tired of this character only being there to lift other people. Like Thor, I'm so sorry, but was there to lift Loki's voice. And now in else around Thor. Yeah. >> What the [ __ ] I'm so

[54:26] Gore, the God Butcher. And >> that's the only [clears throat] That's Foster story line because that was better to me than what they did to Gore from the comics. Gore was supposed to actually be the most badass being on the

[54:40] planet. like and I wanted I and this is also a Taiko Watiti note that he can do about it. I would have loved to actually see gods that genuinely know what Like I love the I would have loved the first god being like a real god, not

[54:57] like some feed me grapes. What's that >> shows up later? [laughter] Yeah, but I didn't want him to be like like whatever. I'm like living like I wanted like the god that literally fell and was like please help me and Gore was

[55:10] like absolutely not. I'm going to kill you. Like Gore could have been on p when cooler than what we saw >> when it was like Gore was like I'm going to make a deal to kill all [ __ ] gods. That sounds so much cooler than what we

[55:24] >> And and Tao was saying I think these scenes must have just been really poorly specifically Christian Bale said that he shot scenes with Jeff Goldblum with Peter Dinglage and with Lena Heiti. >> Oh yeah. Yeah.

[55:37] know about that because I guess her agency sued her for under reportported >> I thought she said it in an interview. >> She also said that she would be shooting scenes. Yeah. Yeah. Um but she did shoot scenes for Thor Love and Thunder. We're

[55:51] by Thor. We were going to see Etri get killed by Gore. Excuse me. Gore, not Thor. And we were gonna see Lena Heiti play some other deity within the Marvel cosmos. And like we didn't get to see Gore butcher any gods other than that

[56:04] >> What was his name? The the NAME IS GORE THE GOD BUTCHER. HE WAS A BUTCHER. bunch of kids for the whole movie. >> And [laughter] need to do that. You did not need to do that. He could have just been

[56:16] Thor's like, "We just got to GO AT HIM. WE JUST GOT TO GO AT HIM." AND THEN HE GETS THE BYIFROST. He just leaves a trail of blood behind him. It's like how um in one I think it's in one longer adapt like comic book where literally

[56:29] planets that are being destroyed realizing that like um what's his name is there uh that made uh the that made the necro sword. What's that guy's name? >> um from the Venom. Venom. >> Yes. Um

[56:43] And that was also another part that I was getting irritated with because we had so many theories beforehand about like [laughter] everything with the necro sword that just didn't null. Yeah. >> Null. Yes. Technically necrosord all

[56:55] that he forms. >> Yeah. But I was like but that comic is so fun to watch like Phoenix be like uh these planets keep dying and there's a man that keeps just going through them all. I wanted Gore to kill a bunch

[57:08] leaving a trail of gods being killed and you being like Thor being like I got I like he's going to get too far. He's going to kill me. Like he's going to kill everybody. Instead, they were like, "Let's get these children. Let's let's

[57:20] villain like this, >> right? One of those. I I do feel like Like there's no way that if you're talking with Titi who made Thor Ragnarok, you don't want to have that montage. I honestly think those scenes

[57:35] think they would have been too And I think Gore the God Butcher naturally is were going to make. I don't think it's possible to make those two together. >> Well, and I think they were either too comedic. I bet like Feige or someone

[57:50] like you have to cut those and I'm sorry we can't we can't afford to reshoot >> I would don't tell me if ever in 30 years when I'm on my deathbed if Kevin me know about it cuz I bet it does feel also very weirdly edited. Everything

[58:05] feels like [ __ ] something was taken out at one part. Yeah. And we knew that when they go to Omnipotent City, like there's like so many deleted scenes, but movie that I feel like keeps getting edited weirdly.

[58:17] >> Yeah. The whole movie feels like uh I mean just the VFX, the the lighting, the set. I think we forget a lot of Marvel that was shot during this time was shot on like the volume. It was shot on green screen and it looks bad.

[58:29] were like, well, it's during co we need to have some kind of movie that Spider-Man No Way Home could get it done. So surely we could do this for Multiverse of Madness and Thor Love and Thunder. And it just did not like it did

[58:43] not have a craftsman and a VFX team. Maybe the VFX team were just overworked the best we can give you." And Tyke is like, "I'm happy with it." And the you know what? Enough of the Marvel fans were actually okay with it at the time.

[58:58] probably people weren't really that like fixed on it. But it's weird to go back now on Disney Plus and look at that and be like, whoa, they rock is also bad. So just does not acknowledge and I feel like for if you start me at the

[59:13] beginning bad end me at the beginning bad. I I just get used to seeing looking eternity like >> Yeah, And you know what? It looks like it was shot in a Best Buy parking lot.

[59:27] there was I think the difference is is that Thor Ragnarok has a lot of great looking fight sequences that they cook in those scenes and then just Thor Love >> It doesn't. >> Uh, and it's a shame. But I don't This

[59:43] like. >> We talk about the great I we just talked about Thor Ragnarok. I love Thor Ragnarok. I love Thor Ragnarok. But the remember that as we go into Doomsday, something is happening with Thor's new

[59:57] adopted daughter. And this is a a cosmic deity that Dr. Doom has kidnapped. She deity that Dr. Doom has kidnapped. She is the transmuted form of eternity of eternity has basically transformed either part of herself or all of herself

[1:00:12] into love as she is now played by India Rose Hemsworth in Avengers Doomsday. So does that mean that Dr. Doom has power over eternity in this universe. complained about how like you don't want kids in this. [laughter]

[1:00:26] everybody's review of like, "Okay, they don't want our [ __ ] kids in this." >> Yeah. But what's the possibility that he's like, "Okay, you hold the ground to go up real quick." >> Oh, so you're saying it's possible that

[1:00:39] she's not kidnapped in it, that she's left behind. Okay. I think she's I think be stronger than all of the little kids that are in the event. Little kids, people that are 25 and below [laughter] strong. I think she's going to be like

[1:00:52] guess the that child will be the strongest. Franklin Richards. strongest, but he's not in our universe, right? So, technically it would just be Where do we know? >> They're in the 838 universe or 828, I

[1:01:06] >> Love and >> Love and Thor are in the 616 universe. She's probably the strongest of all the kids, so it makes sense that she would minute. I do think when he tears apart the world, she'll be on that part that

[1:01:19] got tore apart. >> That'll be what makes him want to fight. [laughter] again. >> Wow. I feel like that's what Black Panther is going to fight for. They're going to be

[1:01:31] like, whoa, my entire everybody is gone in Wakanda. >> I think you might be right. If I had to put uh betting odds on it is that India that opening scene and she's not going to be part of a Doom kidnapping kid

[1:01:45] videos, but I just feel like since we did after Gore does this in Thor Love again and make their villain just someone who kidnaps kids. Mark my words, it'll never happen. Cut to December and I'll just be like

[1:02:00] >> if he can I would be mad if he kiss anyone other than Franklin. Franklin's you want. the only one he needs. >> That's the only one you need. And that love. Leave her behind. She's already been snatched up a couple times.

[1:02:13] >> So, we don't think Jane Foster or Valhalla will be referenced in Doomsday. Thor dies. >> So, here's I think that once we get to Battle World, we'll see a recreated form

[1:02:27] of Asgard and maybe a Valhalla where you'll see someone like Hercules or they just take Well, I don't think they would, but why not use this opportunity parts to keep >> because it sucks.

[1:02:40] >> It does suck, but like Thanos ice cream. It's easy to do. It's easy. I think it's easy to do. It would be annoying if they were like, "Yeah, out of everything in [laughter] New Asgard in Norway."

[1:02:53] New Asgard in Norway." >> I I um I think Norway is a beautiful country. I think what they make look like new Asgard in Norway in this movie and every shot that isn't a wide shot looks like [ __ ] in Thor 11 Thunder looks

[1:03:08] like [ __ ] >> Yeah, it's clearly a backlot stage and I revisit that right now. It's just like too much of a joke. >> But I think that what's beautiful about it is the docks and the ships and you

[1:03:20] doing community theater. >> I don't think about that at all. But I think it's like if you're taking parts of different places, I think like, like Wakanda is also beautiful, but to take Wakanda feels like, yeah, of course

[1:03:34] actually it would be crazier to see you guys not take Wakanda. I think it'd be give a [ __ ] about that. >> We'll see a version of Wakanda. And I a new Asgard. I just think like >> to Marvel fans looking for like, whoa,

[1:03:48] into a land mask. We got to see the golden palace of Asgard, not like the that. I think you're right on that front. It's like I'd rather see that than I'd rather see the docks of New

[1:04:02] >> I think we saw a version of the Asgard palace in the void in Deadpool and Wolverine. I think we do see it. >> Well, they would. It's like, wouldn't New Asgar It sucks cuz I'm like I'm so tired of us teeing up so much stuff for

[1:04:14] Thor without it being justified. And I [laughter] well only in the way that something of his own. And I feel like I would have been more interested in seeing in uh Endgame when he went off with Rocket. You know who else I I would

[1:04:27] Rockets, but I knew that was going to be Rocket's movie eventually. So we weren't going to see it. But Rocket's past is much more influential to me than Thor's past. So I was like when he got to see his mom again, I was like I don't care.

[1:04:41] But that was just me cuz I was like you had that opportunity. Um, so I'm like I like, "Oh, here we took a piece of Asgard." I'm like, "No, he doesn't doesn't deserve it yet. Get make him work for it. Give him something to work

[1:04:54] >> I think if you're going to team up, like we saw Thor, Rocket, and Groot work together in Infinity War. We saw Thor and Rocket work together in Endgame. Um, that that worked. I would have loved to see Thor and Mantis together in Thor

[1:05:07] >> That would have been fun. >> Or maybe Thor and Nebula together. I I of like, okay, these people are going to go together, these people. And then when it came to like Thor and like the Guardians, they were like, "We don't

[1:05:19] just kept going and they were like, "Uh [ __ ] we got to put him with someone." >> Cuz I don't think Yeah. Maybe Nebula would have been kind of fun, but it would just been me her being mean to him the entire time. Mantis would have been

[1:05:31] fun cuz they're both But then it would have felt like her her and Drax again. >> I guess Nebula, you have a similar kind of thing that Corg presents of like a a body that can kind of fall to pieces and then be reassembled. [laughter]

[1:05:45] >> Yeah. Yeah. That's a bunch of rub rubble that can just fall apart. It makes sense that it's Rocket. And Rocket is also good in that way. That's like, hey, look deeper into yourself. It's not that serious. Like when he was coming at uh

[1:05:57] himself, >> right? [laughter] >> So, it makes sense. and Groot was just there for the ride. So, it helps him and Star-Lord, I would have been irritated. >> So, overall, can we say that like the

[1:06:09] Russo brothers are not exactly looking back at Thor Love and Thunder? think that's fair. And also, I do think that more Thor, Love, and Thunder leaned that more Thor, Love, and Thunder leaned more toward likeing up Jane Foster than

[1:06:21] other things. You know what I'm saying? Like I feel like they would look at Thor Love and Thunder. >> It's just interesting that they are She was like the third character we had confirmed when these teasers came out.

[1:06:34] >> Like Clea to Strange barely. I think Love had more screen time than Clea did. And I'm still because at least Clea's was or uh um Lo's was a full-on scene, but I'm like you can't do their stories without explaining what the [ __ ] is

[1:06:48] now attached at the hip. He has a [ __ ] kid. If you're going to bring him in, I got to see that kid. >> I got I got to see that kid. I'm so to when we have to do a we did your homework video for Avengers Doomsday and

[1:07:01] >> It's going to be an hour [ __ ] long because you got to talk about where this daughter came from and that's like damn it." You would hope that we wouldn't have to include Thor Love and Thunder. >> We're talking about 40 movies you got to

[1:07:13] attached it to it. It's the same with how I feel now about Hulk and and Scar where I'm like I just want to be I wanted to be acknowledged that he is a >> never let him escape that. >> I will not let take my foot off his neck

[1:07:28] us should. >> Before we get to the box office Thunder came to be because I do think that the lessons that uh were learned by by the Russos and by Kevin Feige now for

[1:07:42] mistakes made with this movie Thor 11 Thunder that are being corrected now. But uh looking back to 2017, Ragnarok was such a success that Taikoiti and pairing up for another Thor film right after that. And in July 2019, Kevin

[1:07:57] called Thor Love and Thunder. This is at Comic- Con in July 2019. They said at date. They didn't know that CO was scheduled to shoot uh backtoback with Shanqi in Australia beginning in March

[1:08:11] The release date was pushed back and filming was now scheduled to start in 2021. Taikoiti is very positive about the project all through these delays, 10-year-olds told us what should be in a movie and we said yes to every single

[1:08:25] movie and we said yes to every single thing. Yep, we could tell. Principal photography began in January of 2021 and lasted through June of the same year, though there were re-shoots in early 2022.

[1:08:37] Yes. Um I there was quite a bit as we've talked about quite a bit that was removed. I think this movie was heavily edited that they shortened it down. Uh not only were was this montage removed that would have shown Lita Heiti uh

[1:08:52] Peter Dinklage and Jeff Goldblum, there was a whole sequence where Lady uh Lady Thor Jane Foster would have powered up where they elevated Natalie Portman on a crane that we saw on set video that was removed from the film. I think those

[1:09:05] re-shoots uh the story of those re-shoots hopefully will be told told 10 years from now on deathbeds of some of these people. But I think more than Multiverse of Madness, this film

[1:09:18] compared to what Taikoiti had planned changed the most. And I think he was just kind of like, uh, just cut this, cut that, and it was just sloppily edited. >> Uh, the film was actually pretty

[1:09:31] successful when it came out. It still made a good amount of money. It made made a good amount of money. It made over $760 million. Uh, it just got mixed score. >> B+.

[1:09:44] That's more what I would give it a B+. I would give it a C minus. Um, and really it's the legacy of Thor Love and Thunder it's the legacy of Thor Love and Thunder that I think would be the ultimate story

[1:09:56] of Thor Love and Thunder. Uh, in the years after, like when Black Panther Wakanda Forever came out, like that was so specific to Chadwick Boseman and Ryan Cougler and Angela Basset that Marvel Studios judged it differently. But when

[1:10:09] came out and underperformed a lot of people like they were judging Quantum Mania for lessons really that they had learned from Love and Thunder when uh Bob Iger said we don't need to be doing a fourth whatever. It wasn't a fourth

[1:10:23] movie that he was really talking about there. >> I don't think they will. >> I hope they don't. I genuinely they don't need to give anyone fours. Not until the other ones that got twos get

[1:10:36] twos. >> Um, there the fourth Avengers movie fourth of >> You can do Avengers all the time. Those >> Have there ever otherwise been a good fourth anything? Captain America 4? Not

[1:10:51] >> No. What the [ __ ] Also, do we call Captain America 4 Captain America 4? >> no. We call it Brave New World. But >> I because I also I'm like that's a different Captain America. And unfortunately, it's not good. [laughter]

[1:11:04] franchise, Ghost Protocol. >> Oh, well that's Mission Impossible is always gonna be good. Um, I also think like James Bond movies will also be movie. Uh, >> Rocky was Ivon Drago.

[1:11:16] >> Oh, okay. That's a great one. Yes. >> But I'm like those ones work, but like when it comes to Marvel, I don't think we are good at get we recognize that the And then when you give them a fourth one, it's like okay, what the [ __ ] is

[1:11:29] it works for Spider-Man because Spider-Man becomes a different person. being like, "Oh, this is who the character is. They're getting into getting their footing, whatever, what have you." A lot of tribulations.

[1:11:42] Someone in their family close to them is going to die. But then on the fourth Yeah. >> And Spider-Man gives us that. I think like, I know who I am. It just [ __ ] sucks. It just [ __ ] sucks. Thor, I'm

[1:11:56] >> It's interesting. I think Spider-Man Brand New Day might be the first >> fourth of a series for a character getting a fourth movie that breaks that >> I think it will. I think it will. I I think Spider-Man's so good. And they

[1:12:09] they're doing. I feel like I I I'm actually more interested in how they're depression. Uh that we're in we're in the sad Peter Parker right now. I'm here?" I would love to see SP I'm excited for what Spider-Man 5 will give

[1:12:23] >> Well, let's do the box office challenge for Thor Ragnarok and Thor 11 Thunder. it's >> I think I don't 2017's weird. 2017's weird. I think the pandemic I could do, but global 2017 cuz we've talked about

[1:12:38] I don't know. >> So, the weekend, November 3rd, 2017 before Thanksgiving. Such a weird time for Thor Ragnarok to come out. [laughter] Domestic Thor Ragnarok is number one at 122.

[1:12:53] >> It beat 100 million. That's huge. >> You are not. And the other one, the 16 and below. [laughter] >> I probably won't know the number two. >> Can you give me any clues? >> Um, it has uh I think it's a bunch of

[1:13:08] women. It's kind of like Bad Santa meets the Will Frell bad stepdad kind of movie with uh Mark Wahberg. I think this movie, let me just double check. >> No, >> I liked Girls Trip.

[1:13:23] >> Yeah, this is who I thought it was. Okay. Yeah, it's starring Katherine Han, >> You didn't? But you know what I'm talking about, right? No, I don't. Oh, >> Oh, Bad Moms. Okay. >> Bad Mom's Christmas, though. [laughter]

[1:13:36] >> this is a bad A Bad Mom's Christmas. Yeah, this is their sequel. >> They They did really well in the first one. Okay. Second movie, third movie. Um, starring Chris Rock. Scary.

[1:13:50] There's only one movie that man has done in the last 10 years. He's the star of >> Oh. Oh, it's the the Jigsaw movie. >> Yep. Yep. Yep. Jigsaw. >> It's just called Jigsaw. Also, let me make sure that it is cuz you both said

[1:14:05] uh Jigsaw movie. Actually, you know what? I was actually wrong. Uh Spiral was the 2021 movie with Chris Rock. Jigsaw was the one before that. I am so sorry. That is on me. Either way, no one saw it. [laughter]

[1:14:18] Oh, god damn it. Number four. It's a Tyler Perry movie. >> BOOM. HAPPY HALLOWEEN. YAY. [laughter] >> All I had to say was Tyler. >> Well, I remember October 2017 was was media's month.

[1:14:30] >> Oh, did you see this movie? Um, I think this is a Universal number five. Number five. I think it's Universal. Only did not make that much. Um, let me see who stars in this one, too. I did not see this movie, but you know who does really

[1:14:43] like this movie? Evan. >> Get Evan on the phone. Is it a franchise film? >> No. Uh, it's starring Gerard Butler. >> Oh, >> Jim Sturgis and Ed Harris.

[1:14:56] >> It's Geostorm. >> Okay. it. [laughter] >> He's always talking Geostorm. Doesn't he have that Geostorm chest tattoo? >> I think he has a hat. [laughter]

[1:15:09] >> The Geostorm hat. Okay. So, that was for domestic, which is not the greatest, but first one worldwide is? >> Can I I think I can go off the top before. I think you can do all of this. Number one was uh The Last Jedi,

[1:15:23] >> Uh number two was Beauty and the Beast, >> 100%. >> Number three was Give Me the It was it another Disney? >> No, it's a heist movie. >> Oh. Um this would have been Fast and

[1:15:35] >> I think. So, >> Fate of the Furious. >> Yes. >> Yeah. Uh for now, you're losing me. I >> This is another Universal is a child's movie animated. Uh the new tries of

[1:15:47] >> I don't know. >> Oh, maybe Despicable Me Despicable Me 3, a different >> and number five is another Universal >> um uh >> live action uh adapted from a 19 Well,

[1:16:01] >> Oh, Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle. >> Thank you. Number nine was Thor Ragnarok. >> It did not make it. None of these are Marvel, but one is Disney Beauty and the Beast, so we did well there. Universal.

[1:16:15] one. I'm sorry. So Disney kind of dominated this year. three are Universal. Okay. >> Um Okay. And now for Thor, Love, and Thunder. July 8th. The weekend of July 8th.

[1:16:29] >> Okay. The weekend of July 8th in 2022. Remember, we are still basically in are breaking through. >> I saw this movie in theaters cuz we This is the first premiere I think we went to after like pandemic time.

[1:16:42] >> Okay. Was Thor Love Thunder number one? >> Oh, let me look. Yes. Thor 11 Thunder Maverick, right? >> No, number number three is Top Gun Maverick. Okay. Between that, >> another Universal Child movie.

[1:16:56] >> Yes, the Rise of Groove. >> Rise of Grew. Okay. >> Rise of Grew. Okay. >> And number four kind of makes sense. can you give me the studio?

[1:17:08] >> That was a good That was a good impression. You're If you can't guess it, that's because you can't guess it. That was a good impression. >> Yes. That was >> That was a summer movie.

[1:17:21] Well, yeah, it was a summer movie. I just remember my mom watching it so many >> Okay. So, summer >> and this I didn't recognize it was a summer movie. Another Universal Dinosaur Picture

[1:17:35] Dominion. >> Yes, it was Dominion. The worst one. That's why I kind of gave it away. But now worldwide 2022. I think you can guess this again. Number one. >> Number Avatar: The Way of Water was

[1:17:48] >> Number two, Top Gun Maverick. >> That's crazy that on its debut like weekend it was so low, but worldwide it [laughter] made so much money. third movie. >> Well, it wasn't It was number three in

[1:18:03] July 8th, but when it opened in June, it was a huge opener. Um, and number three at the worldwide box office in 2020. in the top five that we just mentioned >> Oh, Jurassic World Dominion. And then Minions Rise of Grew was number four or

[1:18:18] >> Five. You got it. You know it. >> Um, was it >> was it Marvel? Oh, no. Multiverse of >> Multiverse of madness. Number eight was Thor Love Thunder.

[1:18:30] >> Okay. So, the, you know, I remember famously Spielberg hugged Tom Cruz and said, "You saved." >> Oh, yeah. You saved cinema. But really, he should have hugged James Cameron. >> No one's hugging. No director's hugging

[1:18:43] >> Maybe he hugged Tom Holland and Tobey Magcguire >> He doesn't respect superhero movies, but also I feel like every director has some sort of Maybe this just me projecting have a beef with James Cameron.

[1:18:56] >> Fair. [laughter] I mean, he's he's >> except for what's his name? Um ex uh Giamod Toro. Gam Toro and him are like this. [laughter] the uh I think what it was is that someone like Spielberg looks at the Marvel and Star Wars machine and

[1:19:09] it's like you guys are fine, but Tom Cruz making a legacy sequel. I remember thought it was going to be like when they did a legacy sequel to Independence Day. I was going to be like, "All right, this is going to suck." And then the how

[1:19:22] hard they cooked. Uh, Kasinski made something just iconic with Tacos they make >> that probably my favorite dad movie of >> Uh, that movie was that [clears throat] movie was so I remember I think we all

[1:19:38] and saw it and we were all like, "Holy [ __ ] wait a minute." [laughter] solidified it for me that I was like, "Yeah, I think Tom Cruz is the movie >> Is the movie star. Even uh when I went to go see whatchamacallit, we got that

[1:19:53] little trailer before Diggers that showed everything Tom Cruz has done and I went I [ __ ] forgot that this man's career is not only like 50 years, but he's been doing it every year when he was a kid, dude. He's been acting. And

[1:20:07] then like today, he's just great. He's just phenomenal. I mean, going from Rainman to uh Days of Thunder to Cocktail to >> all the [ __ ] that he's doing in the '9s or the ' 80s to the '9s, like

[1:20:20] >> I can't wait. I can't wait for everyone to watch Digger or at least see the trailer for it. Cuz I watched half of it and went, "Where is he? >> I was so confused at where he was. I was like, that's Tom Cruz. That's him."

[1:20:34] >> So, just off of the footage we've seen, let's do some predictions for like best >> I think Tom Cruz for Digger is going to be up there. I think once we see Andrew >> You just love that movie. >> I I haven't seen [laughter] it. I just

[1:20:48] >> it's going to go to it's going to go to Tom Cruz. That's crazy. I think they're >> Oh, the nominations. >> Um because I do think like you're going to see Shalamé for Dune part three. He'll be in the conversation

[1:21:01] didn't give it to him last year, too. >> Jeremy Strong for the Social Reckoning I there's going to be other some other indie darlings. are going to make it in there? >> Mad Damon might.

[1:21:14] >> Damon might. >> You got to see how much he's doing. >> But I think that's going to be one for the supporting category. You'll see the supporting category. You'll see Patinson and uh and John Bernthal in the

[1:21:26] >> I think the Odyssey and unfortunately Dune are going to be sweeping those getting >> picture probably picture and director. picture and director for sure. Uh damn, this sucks because Digger I would be

[1:21:40] for Digger. >> It's just so insane. going to be so good. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I think that's my most >> Digger more than Dune Part 3, >> which is so sad. But I think it's

[1:21:54] myself into with Dune. When we saw this trailer we saw at Cineon, I was like, I did not know what this movie was about and I'm so excited to see it. Like the the trailer, the c the way they have the camera like down here and Tom Cruz looks

[1:22:09] this?" >> It's Birdman meets Dr. Strange Love. >> And it's going to be like it's going to get all of us rewatching Kubri's Doctor Strange Love in a way that Interstellar got us rewatched in 2001.

[1:22:23] what that is. And I'm glad they've been hiding a lot of it. But I am very excited for Dune. I'm too excited for the Odyssey. Um, I'm disgusting. Like, I need to settle down. >> Actually, I think by the time this

[1:22:37] >> Oh, >> it's coming. Go see the Odyssey right >> As soon as it was like July 1st is tomorrow. I was like, >> it's almost here. So, that that and uh Spider-Man. I'm constantly like, "OH MY

[1:22:49] here." >> A lot of people are saying the first >> A lot of people are saying the first half of 2026 was a sleepy year in terms of quality. Um, I think we had Project Hail Mary and Obsession and Back Rooms

[1:23:03] >> Well, all these also you have to wait till the spring summer. Spring summer. >> Well, it's just this time in 2025, we had had sinners. We had a lot of really >> a front front front loaded year. >> Spring and summer are great years for

[1:23:16] theaters. I'm not going to the movie theaters in winter. I'm cold. I'm stuck Angeles. >> I'm not cold in Los Angeles, but if I'm back home in Washington, I'm like, IT'S 20°. GET ME OUT OF HERE.

[1:23:28] movies this December between Dune part three, Doomsday, and Werewolf. >> Werewolf is on Christmas Day. They He loves He's used to his movies not making weekend because he makes his movies always come out on like Christmas Day. I

[1:23:43] Christmas day. >> He's got a release day that he loves. got to GO SEE I GOT TO GO SEE uh Doomsday." >> Uh we got to see it like three times >> in uh Infinity Vision. I'm not seeing it

[1:23:56] in Infinity. You're refused. I think if you see it in any screen, any PLF will money either way. Damn it. >> All right, we'll leave it there for this episode of The Road to Doomsday. We hope you enjoyed this trip down Watiti Lane

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