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A panel of X-Men fans and critics react to and review X-Men '97 Episode 5, 'WeaponX, Lies, and DVDs at Titles.' They discuss the episode's homages to horror films like John Carpenter's The Thing and Alien, the pacing issues of the season, character development for Morph, and the use of the Brood as villains. The conversation also touches on the rushed return of Wolverine's adamantium claws and the potential for future storylines involving Apocalypse.

[00:35]
Homage to The Thing

The episode features a visual homage to John Carpenter's The Thing, with Brood Wolverine leaning into frame against Lady Deathstrike, mirroring a famous frame from the film.

[02:04]
Dead Guy on Pool Table Reference

A reference to Bill Paxton's death scene in Aliens is spotted, with a dead character lying on a pool table, echoing the film's iconic moment.

[04:01]
Criticism of Cal Dodd's Voice Acting

One panelist criticizes Cal Dodd's voice performance as Wolverine, stating he sounds too old and sing-songy, comparing it to Harrison Ford in Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny.

[05:14]
Morph's Powers Discussed

The panel debates Morph's powers, noting that the end credits state Morph can take on the physical attributes of the strongest X-Man, leading to questions about why he doesn't always turn into the Hulk or other powerful beings.

[07:48]
Morph's Unrequited Love for Wolverine

Maggie highlights Morph's one-sided love for Wolverine, which was introduced in season one, and hopes the character finds someone who loves them for who they are, not who they can become.

[08:53]
Omega Red's Inclusion

The inclusion of Omega Red is praised for subverting expectations, as the Weapon X storyline took a different direction than fan theories predicted.

[10:41]
Desire for a The Thing-Style X-Men Movie

Mike expresses a desire for a live-action X-Men movie that directly rips off The Thing, featuring the Brood in a snowstorm, after enjoying the episode's horror elements.

[13:38]
Rushed Return of Wolverine's Claws

The panel criticizes how quickly Wolverine regains his adamantium claws, noting that in the comics it took six years, and the episode lacked tension and development.

[16:05]
Pacing Issues in X-Men '97

The panel discusses the show's fast pacing, with some arguing it's a stylistic choice for a Saturday morning cartoon, while others feel it hurts character development and story arcs.

[24:39]
Morph's Confession as Jean Grey

It's revealed that when Morph turns into Jean Grey and says 'I love you,' it is Morph confessing their own feelings for Wolverine, adding depth to the character.

[36:24]
Apocalypse as a Villain

The panel discusses Apocalypse's role as a villain, with Mike calling him a 'jabroni' who is always built up but easily defeated, and Maggie noting he lacks the nuance of characters like Thanos.

[47:50]
Future Episode Titles

The upcoming episode titles are revealed: 'Strange Land, Savage Heart,' 'The Dead Man's Hand,' and 'Survival of the Fittest,' hinting at a Savage Land episode and Apocalypse's involvement.

[48:43]
Gambit as Death Theory

The panel speculates that Gambit will become one of Apocalypse's Horsemen, specifically Death, based on the comics and the post-credit scene from a previous episode.

The panel enjoyed the episode's homages and character moments, especially for Morph, but felt the season's pacing and rushed storylines detracted from the overall experience. They remain hopeful for the remaining episodes but wish for longer seasons to allow for deeper storytelling.

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What horror film is visually homaged when Brood Wolverine leans into frame against Lady Deathstrike?

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John Carpenter's The Thing.

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Which character's death scene from Aliens is referenced in the episode?

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Bill Paxton's character Hudson.

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According to the end credits, what can Morph do with his powers?

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Morph can take on the physical attributes of the strongest X-Man.

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How long did it take Wolverine to get his adamantium claws back in the comics?

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Six years.

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What is the name of the podcast Mike co-hosts?

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Nerd of Mouth.

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Which character does the panel speculate will become Death, one of Apocalypse's Horsemen?

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Gambit.

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What is the title of episode 8 of X-Men '97 season 2?

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The Dead Man's Hand.

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💡 Key Takeaways

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Homage to The Thing

Demonstrates the show's use of cinematic references to enhance storytelling.

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Morph's Power Limitations

Raises questions about character consistency and power scaling in the series.

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Rushed Claws Return

Highlights a common criticism of the season's pacing compared to the source material.

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Morph's Confession

Adds emotional depth to Morph's character and unrequited love storyline.

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Apocalypse as a Jabroni

Captures the panel's humorous yet critical view of Apocalypse as a villain.

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X-Men 97 Episode 5: Weapon X & Homages

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Starts with high engagement: host reveals missed homage to John Carpenter's The Thing, sparking curiosity and fan debate.

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Is Wolverine's Voice Too Old?

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Controversial critique of Cal Dodd's aging voice for Wolverine sparks debate among fans about legacy casting.

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Morph's Unrequited Love for Wolverine

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Deep character analysis of Morph's non-binary identity and emotional arc resonates with diverse audiences and LGBTQ+ representation.

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Apocalypse: Overhyped Villain?

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Humorous takedown of Apocalypse as a 'jabroni' villain invites strong fan reactions and debate about Marvel's big bads.

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[00:08] your host, Ryan, and today we are going to talk about X-Men 97 season 2 episode to talk about X-Men 97 season 2 episode 5, WeaponX, Lies, and DVDs at Titles of our Easter egg video. Before I bring our guests on, I got to point something out.

[00:21] it really, really bothers me that I missed it. So, as we'll talk about in a second, the episode is filled with really cool homages to John Carpenters the Thing and to Alien and Aliens. I did miss this. This drives me crazy. So,

[00:35] there's a moment in the episode, I guess, by the way, I should have said immediately. Spoiler alert for the entire episode, but there is a moment in this episode where Brood Wolverine like leans into frame against Lady

[00:47] Deathstrike, and it's obviously homage to this famous frame, probably the only that in our breakdown. And I want to throw it out there to you guys now. And missed or if you just want to chime in with your thoughts on the episode, the

[00:59] comments are open. And you know what? Super chats are always appreciated but not required. But we will be getting to the super chats a little bit later in the video. Now, we've got uh a newcomer to the stream today. Somebody I've been

[01:12] time. We got a couple old friends I can't wait to talk to. But first of all, let's bring her on. The deputy news editor from Collider. I cannot believe journalist. Maggie Love it. What's up, Maggie?

[01:24] like this has been like a long time coming. >> It's re It has because we have a mutual friend, Adam Lance Garcia. Star Wars canon author Adam Lance Garcia. >> He's finally

[01:37] >> Did he ever put you in a Star War? Because he put me in one. You're not >> It's You got to lean on him. I leaned on him pretty hard once he told me he had him as a guy who's trapped in our TV but doesn't know it. So, please don't tell

[01:50] him. Mr. Colton Agburn. What's up, Colton? caught that, right? >> I did. I How could I have missed? Okay. Did you catch the dead guy on a pool table? Like how Bill Paxton dies on a

[02:04] >> Oh, no. >> I caught that, >> but I didn't catch this. >> That's one of those things where >> I have a question. >> I sent Adam a death threat to put me in

[02:17] saying that all you had to do was just kind of do like a soft lean. times. We were chatting and I guess he just likes me more than he likes you. >> I guess it's all wrong. Yeah. >> And finally, uh, this guy coming up is a

[02:34] absolutely one of my favorite comedians and one of my favorite people in the world. And not for nothing, I'll I have documented proof he's a huge Wolverine Mike? >> Hey, how's it going? I this figure came

[02:48] in yesterday >> with the Landra two pack brood Wolverine and then this episode comes out. >> And that would just be from the Mark >> Yeah. >> Oh, that's sweet.

[03:04] >> Mike, I every time you're on, I like to point out your son's name is Logan, which isn't named after Logan Roy. >> Yeah. But also, I gotta hype your album, Satamantium, >> copy the album, and then that they,

[03:17] >> you know, copied your album in this episode. I know they didn't copy Mike's >> I thought that was a really cool thing, too. It's a great album. >> Don't Don't give some Don't give Frank something else to be mad about.

[03:29] something else to be mad about. Oh, another cloud to yell at. >> He's clean now, though. I'm happy for him. Like, he's him. Like, he's >> If only his art was. Exactly.

[03:45] by the >> very very sloppy uh and kind of a mess. 97. >> I just keep complaining about Frank your overall thoughts on the episode. What' you think of it?

[04:01] >> Um Cal Dodd is too old to voice Wolverine. Uh it just every time he Wolverine. Uh it just every time he talks it's got a sing song way. It's it talks it's got a sing song way. It's it he was great in the 90s and

[04:15] >> for a character with a healing factor. This guy's voice does not have one. He just sounds like it's like Harrison Ford in Indiana Jones level. It's >> I'm gonna I'm gonna press the button. It's Nicholas Cage. It's Nicholas Cage

[04:29] and Spider-Man Noir levels of >> you're old and distracting me. it just doesn't fit anymore and it's sad but you know people get older. Um I just thought there was a lot of fun here in terms of like yeah the homages and the fan

[04:46] service but you know this season has nine episodes. This is the fifth episode. It very much was a standalone thing and I'm not against that but it thing and I'm not against that but it also by episode five we should really

[04:59] feel like we're moving towards something and I don't know. I I felt like this one and I don't know. I I felt like this one could have been left u much like Bo Deo's uh text messages on the cutting room floor.

[05:14] >> Good point. >> Um talking about Morse's powers, right? What the he has the power of fan Well, definitely going to be getting into Morph in a second because I feel

[05:28] notice the end credits say that Morph takes on the physical attributes of strongest X-Man. Like literally, he can just become the Hulk whenever he wants >> But I don't know if maybe it's like tensing a muscle like with Clayface and

[05:41] But >> and why would he turn the Hulk? he could turn into Sasquatch? Because he's in Canada. >> I know. But see, that's one thing I >> But that's what I like about Morph

[05:56] fan service, but there's little things he does throughout the episode where you can tell like yes, he wants Spider-Man's ability to stick to walls, but he's also himself, which is why they kept him on the original show because the kids loved

[06:09] >> But like there's a moment he just turns into Guardian from Alph.

[06:23] me and Mike talking. Sorry. >> Sorry. He's carrying this just you go >> I thought the guardian thing and Mag let you chime in on this because like when keep going back and forth forever. I thought the guardian thing was him

[06:35] Wolverine trust, right? But then why not turn into Jean? So yeah, Mike, you got a >> And he did eventually turn into Jean and and Scott, you know, he he figured it >> think of the episode, >> I was like, in terms of this episode, I

[06:49] had a really good time with it. I have a soft spot for the like quote unquote filler episodes. It feels very much like the animated series to me. Um, I do have a lot of issues with pacing this season. I think that they are cramming way too

[07:04] much into it, way too fast. Um, specifically with like the past and for those to be like a couple of episodes, not something that was resolved within like one episode, but this felt the most like the animated

[07:17] series to me because there were all of those like bottle episodes or, you know, what's going on. And so I feel like this really stays true to that. I wish we had longer seasons. I think those episodes work when you have a 20 episode season

[07:32] like the original series, which we're not getting here. Um, but I had a lot of Saber-Tooth. I love seeing their antagonistic like dynamic. It's a lot of fun. Um I I loved what they were doing with Omega Red. And I also I love Morph.

[07:48] I think Morph is like one of the coolest characters. And I'm hoping that we get, you know, more of their story separate from Wolverine because like the one-sided unrequited love thing that we kind of got in season one is clearly not

[08:01] going anywhere. It's very clear that like Wolverine cares about Gene above anybody else. Uh, and I want the best for more. They need they need somebody for more. They need they need somebody who actually likes them. That is what

[08:13] mentioned Omega Red, and that was one the one thing in the episode where I was like, I love Omega Red. Great character, some great episodes in the original show, etc. But that was the one thing where I was like, well, yeah, this to me

[08:25] out. Like, who else can we get from the this universe? Who else is a super soldier? And well, I Okay, but I you know, I agree. I thought the same thing "Oh, we're going to do Inferno in one episode. Oh, we're going to do, you

[08:39] know, in the future." But with a budget this high, they don't they can't do those 20 episode seasons presumably. But so that's why I was interested. What was it you liked about Omega Red in there? I think it felt sort of like uh

[08:53] subverting expectations because I think obviously I had seen this episode well theories over the last like five weeks of people like theorizing what would happen with the Weapon X storyline and it ended up being so vastly different

[09:05] from like any theory I saw that I thought that was really fun. I think a they were expecting kind of like more weapon X stuff going on and not like and like I thought that was fun. I'm also like curious to see if any of this pays

[09:20] something that gets like picked up throughout the season or even like definitely like threads that you can pull on with some of the stuff played out here. I am sad about Maverick though. I was like

[09:33] >> I'm the one. I'm always the one. Like there's always like my one blurbo. I'm seconds. >> I'm sad about Garrison Kane." ask you what you thought about Garrison. He's got He doesn't get to go in the

[09:47] future and be like renovated by cable like he does. >> I just made him the most annoying person for two minutes and then I mean he is he is just [ __ ] Ryan Reynolds in X-Men Origins Wolverine

[10:01] Origins Wolverine >> and then they they just kill him off. It >> had to though. I love that they killed him off because one it shows you can die but if you're going to kill off anybody in that group at all about the one guy

[10:14] you know that's never appeared before. I I loved I loved seeing him dead. To me, >> And I mean, like, the good thing is is that none of these mutants stay dead. they're like, "Hey, let's bring back these guys."

[10:27] >> Yeah. When they do KCOA in season three or four, which I'm sure is where they're You've been really patient. What did you think of the episode? >> I thought it was good. It's good. >> Great. So, Mike, back to you. I uh I'm

[10:41] >> Great. So, Mike, back to you. I uh I'm sold on I I want a like the thing X-Men movie. Not not to be confused with Ben Grim, but like I I want a mutant movie in the mutant saga with the brood. I want them for some reason in a in a

[10:55] snowstorm just straight up rip off the thing. I I really want that live action movie now after watching this. >> I mean you Yeah, we basically got it in unearthing the ship, Saber-Tooth having a flamethrower like McCretti, which is

[11:07] also another one that I've missed uh in the breakdown. There were lots of little references in there of to the bottle [ __ ] and paranoia, but I really thought they're doing alien aliens. There were visual callbacks to that like

[11:19] called them a face sucker at one point even though we never see them actually even though we never see them actually do that. Um, but yeah, I I thought it was an interesting choice to go with the brood in this episode because if you

[11:32] look at like the very wide array of weapon X villains, they go with these run in the comics, like the ep the issues where Kitty Pride is infected and

[11:44] grappling with all that. That's some of my favorite Kitty Pride stuff. But they that there was an episode where Rogue ran into the guy she kissed and he was infected by a brood and it wasn't the best episode of the original series.

[11:58] >> Yeah. So, what did you think about the choice to bring them in or should we or someone like that who's more traditionally a Weapon X style villain? traditionally a Weapon X style villain? >> I mean, if you're gonna do like, you

[12:12] Let's make it like I mean the brood originally were just ripoffs of Alien >> and so why not like that I mean if that was the thing like there were a lot of

[12:24] things I enjoyed in this but it's like when Maverick said game over man it's the nose >> where it's like you could pull it back a little bit and just trust your audience a little bit you know and um but I think

[12:39] that they were cool like it's it's funny, you know, I watched this and then I read their first few appearances and I forgot they're extremely talkative in the comics. They're like really chatty. They

[12:52] word balloons. >> They're originally brought in by Death Bird to, you know, to take on the X-Men and then they do like this infection, you know, storyline and everything. And

[13:05] and and and look, I love when X-Men is more than just the mutant metaphor and they could fight [ __ ] in outer space and they could fight just regular super villains and stuff like that. I I think that's that's a cool thing. Um

[13:21] and you know, and and they did feel scary. Um it just I think you know, and on the brood, you you do need Brood Wolverine. That was great, but I think I think if there's like a an overall

[13:38] know I'm sounding like the downer here, but it just it just rushed through but it just it just rushed through Wolverine getting the claws back and in

[13:50] the comics that took that took six years >> and like the way that they did it and >> and like the way that they did it and the way they solved it like it fit but the way they solved it like it fit but it did feel a bit rushed and I I don't I

[14:03] wouldn't I wouldn't have wanted this episode to be a two-parter, but at the same time, I didn't think there was enough tension at times and they sped through it like quickly and then it's like now Wolverine just has the claws

[14:17] >> Yeah. In the comics, >> not only does it take six years, but there's a botched attempt from Cable Sun Genesis doesn't matter long story that turns Wolverine more savage for a long time, right? Yeah. Yeah.

[14:31] especially after seeing Savage form Wolverine in episode one? >> I mean, I was kind of hopeful that we'd have more time with this. Um, especially with I don't want to say that Marvel themselves hyped up the postredit

[14:44] scenes. I think fans really hyped up the postredit scene from last week. Um, so there was a postredit scene, I was like, when I was watching my screeners? Because I didn't really register that as

[14:56] was just like a little tag to be like, here's what's coming. here's what's coming. Um, and so I think people really like going to get Black Widow and Captain America like actually involved in this

[15:10] Weapon X storyline and not that that was just an homage to that one comic cover. um and like kind of implying, you know, some of the the connections there so dissimilar from like the super soldier program, from the Black Widow

[15:23] different like government entities doing like these secret programs. And so it was like an homage to that. And so I did come into this episode thinking like, oh, maybe we're going to get like a longer arc for Wolverine. Like that was

[15:36] like a a big thing to lose his his, you know, claws. And he kind of got it back so much so quickly that I was like, "Wait, are they back already?" Oh, yeah. >> He basically had one episode where he's

[15:50] episode, but then episode one where he's not a main he doesn't have many lines in >> and then like maybe one or two in episode three before we flash back to Egypt. And I that's my big takeaway just from this show in general. I just slow

[16:05] down. Like I'll take animation that maybe isn't as great to keep the budget for 20 of these episodes. >> I don't know. What do you think? Are we going on? >> I mean, yeah, that's this show ever

[16:17] since they came back with 97 and I haven't watched the original in so long. I I assume it did the same thing if I'm remembering right. >> Through every single comic run like >> Yeah. I mean, they they blow through

[16:29] >> Yeah. I mean, they they blow through everything. And I mean, I get it. I I everything. And I mean, I get it. I I mean it that's what this is. I I hate to say that that you know say it as a critique because it's never pretended to

[16:41] be anything other than yeah we we do a 30 minute episode and we jam-pack all of and there's an end and we don't linger on much. like that that's kind of the

[16:53] the entire thesis of this show and and as is like all the other shows in this universe like with Spider-Man and uh that which other ones were in it the Avengers Assemble that they did the same thing all these MAU Marvel animated

[17:07] thing all these MAU Marvel animated universe shows they stick to that genre this is styled as a Saturday morning cartoon >> so >> even later on I feel like evolution sped

[17:19] through a lot of stuff too. The Wolverine animated series sped through a lot of stuff, too. Like, it doesn't >> in my mind, it doesn't make sense of these comics that you could definitely like slow this down. But then

[17:33] at the same time, I have to remember that like this is a show designed for children and children's minds. Even in the '9s, we're like looking for upbeat and like fast, not lingering too long. I mean, look at things like Scooby-Doo or

[17:48] like any of those shows. was it wasn't like a mystery that lasted a season. It something fresh, moving >> the 90s. >> I'll push back on that. Go ahead. >> I was going to say like I mean [ __ ]

[18:00] Magneto and Professor X would not leave the goddamn Savage Land all season. Like and you know the the the original Phoenix saga was five episodes. I think Dark Phoenix was four. >> Pretty methodical.

[18:14] >> If you add them up, it's like 9 10 11 12 episodes from that season. That's because in season three they knew they had the bandwidth to do it. Like they rest would actually be aired in order.

[18:26] didn't last as long because those were longer seasons whereas now it's like >> true. >> And you even had a moment where like his >> And you even had a moment where like his claws break in this, you know, some kind

[18:39] of like I just can't be the same that I am. But that didn't that didn't even happen. Mm. >> That happened briefly in episode one. like they and he screams and it's painful. But you're right, there were so

[18:52] many comics in those six years that it took him to get the adamantium back that really went into this. In this episode, they used it in the final conversation between Morph and Logan where he says, "Look, some people are just one thing."

[19:05] Saber-Tooth is able to kill the bear and he wasn't because he just stabbed it I I think that they really could have given us something like Feral Wolverine or endangering the team. I guess I should say not threatening somewhere in

[19:21] the middle. Um >> or or it's the reason that >> sorry, it's the reason he got infected, you know, like make that the reason with my adamantium. I would have never even gotten to the point that these things

[19:33] gotten to the point that these things would take me over. And I felt helpless in a way that I never have in my 150 years of being alive. >> And that was scary to me. >> And what's

[19:46] often either. So there you go. Okay. >> We were just talking about how, you know, the I try to view it through the lens of this is a show that they are supposedly making that for kids to enjoy. But then, and I I'm no prude, you

[20:01] know, I let my nephew watch Deadpool and Wolverine. But I did notice quite a bit of like cursing in this episode and there's like, you know, the flashback where Wolverine stabs Magneto from last season and there's the blood on the

[20:13] >> Ever since you became a dad, you're you're such a prude about these things. >> Well, I'm just saying like it's like >> I would prefer and I'm sure we all would prefer because really I mean I I feel like this

[20:27] show it it's for it's for everybody that watched it in the 90s. I I would be interested to know how many kids are actually watching it. I I think I'd be more interested in animate it like the '9s and have it be a continuation, but

[20:40] give me like hour-long episodes so we can like, you know, flush this thing out. But it it's like they're trying to like walk this line and do both. So I I don't know. May maybe they need to pick which one they want to go with

[20:53] >> instead of trying to, you know, do both cuz what's that saying? Uh, don't don't halfass two things, full ass one things. >> Full ass one thing. Yeah. Yeah. limitation. I think, you know, Mike, you've worked in a lot of um uh writer

[21:08] and sometimes you just literally run into this wall. You do you want to explain what you think happens behind the scenes here when they make these? >> I mean, yeah, it's that they have like so little time. Uh there also in this

[21:24] case there is the Marvel Legends toy licensing of we got to highlight these characters and [ __ ] like you know you look at like uh in the in the first season of Spider-Man the reason Hobgoblin comes before Green Goblin is

[21:39] and that was it. >> Oh yeah yeah I was like back then it was like Toy Biz was you know in control of Marvel and Arod was like well, he's coming first in this. So,

[21:55] there is that thing of like pushing, you know, your main characters and and that know, your main characters and and that thing. And um and also I think, you know, yeah, trying to go for that

[22:08] standalone feel, but you have this real estate. You know, I'm I'm sure in the estate. You know, I'm I'm sure in the writer room there's a chart of, you know, where we they know where they want to go. So, they're trying to figure

[22:21] out how they get there. They're trying to make tons of people happy in a world to make tons of people happy in a world where no one is happy. Uh, and you where you look at like I mean this is the first Wolverine centric episode of the

[22:34] first Wolverine centric episode of the series. Um, and and do I think um it's cool they waited this long into it for that to happen? Yeah. And do I think he did he did deserve one? Yeah. I just, you know, um, and I I I think the one

[22:50] thing they did in this episode that was really smart that that I really do really smart that that I really do commend was Morph. Uh, just in terms of his character dynamic. I think he's the character that grows in this.

[23:04] sorry, Mike. >> Yeah, I thought you were >> I I would Oh, okay. >> Yeah, go ahead. in one thing. I I think just like the cartoon, the action figures are now also

[23:20] pandering to adults. Like as as as Mike had his his toy there at I don't think any kids are buying $30 Marvel Legends anymore. I I think it's >> I don't think kids buy toys. I think they're iPad kids now. Like Toy Story 5.

[23:33] just got because I think you showed before we were rolling. >> No, my bad. >> Oh, did you show it on camera? Okay. >> This is and his his mouth moves. And let me just say, uh, my Logan, my three and

[23:46] a half-year-old, loves this figure. He calls it big mean Wolverine. >> Nice. >> And we were playing with it last night. It as I was putting to bed. Uh, and the mouth keeps falling off, but you can't

[23:59] >> Yeah, >> you got to get and maybe I should be replaced at this point in time. >> Do you not have one to stock? You got to have one to rock and one to stock. N

[24:13] manag >> some of us guested on Screen Crush, some >> some of us guested on Screen Crush, some of us worked there.

[24:25] Because in the original series, he was supposed to be killed. The kids loved give him this cool PTSD episode >> called Courage, I think, in season four, and then they brought him back. So, um I think we all know this, but Bo Deayo

[24:39] added in this wrinkle where when he turns into Gene and says, "I love you." That is morph confessing that. So, it's like he gets a story kind of playing out thoughts? >> And as Maggie said, they are they they

[24:52] >> That's right. I keep I You know what? I keep misgendering them. And >> go to Austin with [ __ ] Huh? >> But for our for our Easter egg video, I noticed and I was like, "Shit." And I went back and re-recorded every line.

[25:05] I'm just locked in the 90s when >> Morph was a hymn. Anyways, what what do they're doing with them? >> Um, I I love

[25:17] I love what they have done with Morph. I'm a big fan of like soap operas, obviously. Like I I grew up in the 90s and the 2000s watching soap operas and I've always seen X-Men as a soap opera with superpowers. And that's something I

[25:31] really love about this show, like the original show and this show, it very much feels the same like way as the soap opera does. And so I think that the storyline that they've given Morph, which also is completely like copathetic

[25:43] series was they were very close. Morph were I loved this. >> What about Morph? >> Exactly. Like it makes I loved so many to it with season one and I was like but go back and watch the original series

[25:57] up those threads and were like let's play with this. >> And so I love this like idea of like unrequited love and I think it's it's unrequited love and I think it's it's fun that it also strengthens like

[26:09] fun that it also strengthens like Logan's obsession with Jean. Um, and I just want this storyline to have the payoff of more finding somebody who actually loves them for them and not who they can

[26:22] become. And I think that were that to become like an actual story line that was given maybe more than an episode to breeze through. Um, it could be a really interesting of of concept of not just for a character who is non-binary, but a

[26:35] somebody chooses them for them and not who they can become. And so I can see kind of the threads of like that could be something they're setting up for. And this episode felt like Morph is starting to realize I'm never going to be Gene

[26:50] >> for Wolverine and Wolverine is never going to change. He can't even be without his claws. Um, so there was like a lot of subtextual stuff that like was And I think that's one of the the reasons why I really like this episode

[27:02] because I was really looking forward to the payoff in some form or fashion of one. >> You know, I don't think this is a Wolverine centric episode. I think Warf is the main character of it.

[27:16] beginning. got >> See, now you're the one now. We're just stream along with ourselves right now. Um,

[27:30] such an interesting character because refresh my memory. They did come back in Age of Apocalypse and that's where the current design is, right, of the the were in the future. >> Right. Right. Right. So, it is I love

[27:44] how they've picked that up because there was no Morph didn't have to be in the reboot. like easily you could have >> slotted that character out and put in any number of X-Men, Psylock, Angel, whoever you wanted to um and done really

[27:56] job exploring that. It is the push back is always interesting to me because I'm like, of course they're non-binary. >> They're like Lee in um Critters 2. They're a nothing. So, you know, >> can can I say something?

[28:12] >> Yeah. >> I heard Oh, no. if you're listening to us on all podcast platforms, Colton just put up a graphic that declared me canceled. But I'm not even sure which I'm canceled for. Am I

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[29:39] >> The what? That Magneto one hurt me. >> You can't tell. >> She did. >> You also think that's why he got his claws back this episode? Well, the one guy that can control metal is dead. So,

[29:54] I guess I could get him. I'm sorry. Let me Let me do my modern W. So, I guess I me Let me do my modern W. So, I guess I could get him back. too sound? >> No. The first trailer for97, we were

[30:10] going, "Oh, CAD Dodd sounds very different now." You know, it's you. Jover. >> I just I'm going to get cancelled by Cal. I just I just want this Wolverine to start singing Fleetwood Max

[30:22] to start singing Fleetwood Max Landslide. You know, time makes us older. Children get older. And I'm getting older, too. >> It's all the smoking. It's all the cigars. That's what it is.

[30:36] >> it would happen. The only thing I the only thing where Mike I don't even pay you're right. When you have a healing factor, animation, but Dial of Destiny, it's the one part of that movie I really couldn't

[30:49] hearing old man Harrison Ford come out of young, deep, fake Harrison Ford face >> You know why? Because it makes you realize how old you are. >> And I don't watch X-Men to question my mortality.

[31:03] mortality. I watch it to forget that it's a thing. he turns into The Thing because that is also a reference to John Carpenters's Sasquatch again. >> Yeah. So, I was like, of all the people

[31:17] for him to turn into, why Ben Grim? Because they're doing The Thing. shirt. >> The thing. We actually do have We don't should have done that. Yeah, we do have a thing t-shirt. It's on the merch

[31:29] >> Right. Are we going to get back into a really nerdy argument about Morse powers? Because I Yeah. Yeah. That's next. So, there's a part where he stabs the sword into the wall. Folds up like good. Thank godamn

[31:43] >> put the graphic up. >> All right. All right. All right. >> All right. All right. All right. Oh, funny timing. I was so slow on that. >> I mean, now now wait, no. Ryan brings up a good question, Colton. That when when

[31:55] a good question, Colton. That when when when Morph is morphing into someone else, do you use the pronouns of the person that he has changed into? And since he is Silver Samurai in that moment, could he him apply?

[32:09] >> Let me tell you for uncancelling. >> I'm not touching that with a 10-ft pole. So you guys have fun. I'm going to stay. >> You remember remember when they made Mystique Nightcrawler's dad? They literally did the South Park thing with

[32:22] dad. Yeah. >> Yeah. And they're like because we've always wondered forgotten that. >> We always wondered who Nightcrawler's dad was. We thought the mom was Mystique and it's like no Mystique's the dad.

[32:36] >> Here's the serious question. Why doesn't he that why don't no need to make me >> Why don't they just turn into century and just win just win the win the show

[32:49] That's the >> Yeah, he doesn't doesn't have the power of flight and stuff like that, but does have the sword like what? Okay, if we're going to nerd nerd out about morph [ __ ] in season one Inferno, uh they turned

[33:01] into magic. Magic with a K, you know, Iana mutant. And I was like, okay, wait, hold on, hold on, hold on, stop. Because I'm really familiar with this original show. How is magic a character in the New Mutants uniform? Does this mean that

[33:15] the New Mutants have existed? Because in the original show, we see Ilana. She's a little girl. Yeah. And this show canonically takes place like three years later, which means that Oana went to hell, hung out with Bolasco, and then

[33:28] came back. So like, where's that [ __ ] story at? Or are we just going to turn mentioned Morphe and Easter egg factory. That's the one time in the show where >> "Okay, somebody's not paying attention here."

[33:41] >> Power breaks the fourth wall. >> Here's one that's that really that really bothered me in season one. when he turns into the blob and I'm a big he turns into the blob and I'm a big Fred Jukes fan and someone lands on the

[33:54] blob and then they everyone just nodded. Yeah, of course everyone just nodded. Yeah, of course you are, fatty. Um but but uh but remember someone lands on his tummy and then and then bounces back up. But the

[34:06] then and then bounces back up. But the thing is that's not a phys the Bob power isn't physical. He has a gravitational field that he controls which would be energy would not be a physical based power.

[34:20] say at the end physical based powers, you're 100% right. Which also means that if the juggernaut ran into the blob, if Morph is the blob, he would turn into a puddle of goo. >> Yeah. It also when he when in this

[34:35] episode when he turns into dead he turns into Deadpool just to carry Saber-tooth. Why would you turn into like a giant kangaroo and put him in your pouch or something? Like why? Like why would you turn into a smaller, skinnier person to

[34:51] carry this big giant guy? It doesn't. Other than hey look, Deadpool's in this >> Yeah. >> Makes my job easier. Runs up the numbers Sorry. >> No, I was just gonna say like I mean in

[35:04] >> Yeah. it doesn't necessarily make sense to turn into Deadpool in that moment unless they had like expanded upon like oh they all kind of know Deadpool um all just for us to be like oh that's funny it's Sabertooth and Wolverine

[35:19] >> oh yeah weapon X yeah it's a weapon X weapon >> which like also like come like if we're trying to make it make sense that maybe had seen something in reference to Deadpool somewhere in the office and

[35:33] thought oh I'll turn into Deadpool like what factors into like who they decide what factors into like who they decide to turn into. Like is it like purely something they've recently seen? Like especially since they made like the

[35:45] whole point of like looking all at all the documentation that was in the >> Um so maybe that was why Deadpool was like top of mind because I could imagine like in a stressful situation you're like, "Oh [ __ ] who am I trying to

[35:58] that I should be turning into right now?" I do think I one thing I like about the carrot because if it were me I like okay when I play Street Fighter 2 I always play as E Honda and I know two moves

[36:10] right because then you have your stock people you go to if I had the powers of morph I would always just probably turn into the Hulk but that would be boring >> say what >> I would turn into Apocalypse

[36:24] because that's what I want to talk about next uh Mike a few episodes ago I quoted you on show where I was like, look, I' I've reread like almost every storyline from Age of Apocalypse, which isn't really about him. He's a boring villain

[36:38] in my opinion, and I've quoted you where you like to say he looks goofy and has a big A on his tummy, but apparently he's the big bad. So, I was curious what you guys think about Apocalypse as a >> by the way, before the Greek alphabet

[36:51] existed, he still has an A on his tummy. >> Very true. Well, the Greek alphabet's based on the A, I think, is what we're getting from him. What do you guys think then Apocalypse going forward after this.

[37:06] >> Okay. Um, I I don't remember if I said this, but it is that thing like they they do build him up. He's always built up really well, and then it's that, you know I look like every person who's ever said, you know, there's that Simpsons

[37:20] episode, but you know, there's that Simpson episode when >> Lisa needs braces, but uh where they're selling the pretzels and the Yakuza are selling the pretzels and the Yakuza are on the on the on the lawn and Homer

[37:34] he's going to do something and it's going to be cool." And then he gets thrown through the window. Apocalypse is always like that where you're like, "Oh, awesome." And then his arm turns into like a Looney Tunes mallet and it's just

[37:48] like a Looney Tunes mallet and it's just stupid. It's the dumbest I am the Reaper stupid. It's the dumbest I am the Reaper of Oceans. And then it's like it's an anvil. I am a fan of the works of Chuck Jones.

[38:03] I am a fan of the works of Chuck Jones. I shall paint this black hole and I walk through it. But then when you try to, it is just a wall. I can see why you're >> Oh, man.

[38:17] >> But that's my problem with him. He's always built up really big >> He's such a jabroni. >> He's always sworn so easily. He really

[38:29] is. >> Yeah. Yeah. I have a ship named ship because that's what my label maker told me to name it. >> Just the stupidest thing. >> And he brings the apocalypse. Excuse me.

[38:44] >> very little. >> I am going to go through the dictionary and I will pick the most frightening word. Oh, look. Hey, apocalypse. I'm done. That's it. >> Yeah.

[38:59] >> Okay. To that point, we do see him kill Magneto. And I'm curious if you guys the big bad. But my problem with Apocalypse is they've set him up so many times in the original show. Oh, he's gonna conquer time and space. Well, then

[39:13] he doesn't. He's gone forever. He comes back. But like, it just seems like we keep hearing he's awesome. And I can't even think of a great comic book story his usefulness and >> what do you think the A stands for on my

[39:26] tummy? It's awesome. It should be awesome apocalypse. >> More like like awful apocalypse, right, Maggie? >> Hey. Hey, that's you know what I do to deserve that? That's just mean.

[39:39] So, what do you guys think about him going forward as a villain? Apocalypse. This is all more entertaining than what we usually get >> This is This is the thoughts Oscar Isaac had six hours in a makeup chair.

[39:54] >> I'm surprised he's still sane. >> I hope they can find a cool way to do super basic, but I I hope that he is like the villain of the the mutant saga. I hope like eight years, 10 years from now when they eventually do that, I

[40:09] think you do Apocalypse. I think that would be fun. Uh, as far finish. >> Well, I think he's a way cooler V. I I actually really liked him in his in Sabanur form like from the uh was it the

[40:23] 100%. >> Yeah, dude. I just did a video screen crush right now where I talked about I want a Fantastic 4 first step sequel where they adapt I think it's issue like 14 or 16 where they go back

[40:37] in time to Egypt and you know they encounter Ramatut and all that >> is it 19 I thought it was 16 >> I think it's either 19 or 20 let me see >> no I got you >> there and then there's uh there's this

[40:51] great comic it's a Kang the Conqueror comic and issue two of that you see them cross over the events of course mic was right. Uh they they cross over the events of that issue, issue 19 and Fantastic 4 and then um Apocalypse and

[41:07] you have the Fantastic 4 and the X-Men there at the same time. They bring there too. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's that would be a cool way to introduce him in the Mutant Saga and you could also

[41:20] the Mutant Saga and you could also reintroduce Kang and you could even like you if you want to go if it's in a Fantastic 4 sequel. I won't go too deep, Richards, which is Reed's dad, and then

[41:32] Kang and like maybe a descendant of Reed. >> Scrap all that. Have him be Reed's dad. Have him also be the new Kang the Conqueror. I I I think you that wasn't even a question at all.

[41:45] >> Sorry, Maggie. Can you start again? Because you we can you overlap. Can you >> I was just saying like I also agree like that would be the best way to do it. I distance themselves from the Kang stuff they've already started in the live

[41:59] action stuff and just focus on Fantastic 4 and like play with it there because I audiences. >> I I have nothing to do with Kang. I respect my girlfriend. We have never fought in a car and I would never I

[42:14] would never throw a phone at her. I would I would I would make her throw the phone at herself because she is weak and I am strong. Apocalypse though, he's not scared of the X-Men, but he's scared of being

[42:27] cancelled. Can we get the Apocalypse cancel graphic up ASAP? >> You relate to, right? >> Exactly. Um, there is there is a thing make Apocalypse the villain of the mutant saga, my problem with that is

[42:40] Apocalypse, right? In the comics, like Thanos worship death. >> Sorry, Maggie. Go ahead. >> The same like weird big head. Yeah, weird big head scraggly chin,

[42:52] right? >> Kind of a the big monsters, but also same character, >> but they're all their goals are all right? But then in the movies, they gave Thanos this nuance where he's actually

[43:05] right? He wants to kill half the people for a dumb reason because mathematically everybody would be alive in 50 years, >> but at least he had that anti-hero thing going with him. Apocalypse until X of Swords, I don't think ever gave him a

[43:18] Swords, I don't think ever gave him a meaningful reason to feel that way. Apocalypse stories before he became Apocalypse. Other than that, >> if you want And if you want to Magneto, there's no nuance there.

[43:30] >> Yeah. If you want half the population to disappear, just have Ryan explain Morse pronouns. >> Exactly. Yeah. Then like our viewers just plummeted, too. Yeah. Yeah. >> I'm watching it live. There's the dip.

[43:43] Colton, how [ __ ] how how dare you compare all those three characters. Thanos was such a better character because he was written and and mostly drawn by the same guy for like 20 years and had a through line that makes

[43:58] complete sense. The problem with Apocalypse was that he was sucked up into X-Men uh editorial and all that. when Louise Simson and you know and and Walt like first created him, there was

[44:12] like a very clear idea. And and the arc the archangel story, the original story is great because Angel, if anyone if anyone needed uh a revamp, it was that >> I love >> But uh you're you're a fan of the

[44:28] >> Okay, >> talk to us about it. I just I've always My first introduction to him was in the live action X-Men movies and I was like, what is this character's like tragic backstory? I want to know more. And I I

[44:42] picked up all the comics when I was younger. And um I think he's fun. I I think I I wish he had more activity in the X-Men animated series. Like the original series, the whole Rogue bit

[44:54] off probably because of it being mentioned um to us. I do want to go back mentioned um to us. I do want to go back to Apocalypse stuff though because as I've got my Rogue Magneto Age of Apocalypse here. I'm so disappointed

[45:08] didn't get to actually explore Age of Apocalypse because I thought and I think a lot of other people thought the way that season one ended, especially with them being like stuck in the past that like oh we're going to get some version

[45:20] of Age of Apocalypse like it's very clear that there was like these vibes and then nothing. And I was like, that to me I thought was going to be a more fun story because there's so much going on in Age of Apocalypse. And then they

[45:32] there goes that plan. >> But that's how but that's how they could alternate reality. You know what I you in just a second. I didn't realize until yesterday that the Age of

[45:44] Apocalypse comics were based on the animated series episodes, One Man's Worth. I never picked that up before. I thought it was the other way around. question. And I was going to ask is it because they've kind of already done it

[45:57] in the animated series but I guess not if the if the comic was based on the >> I mean they touched on it but the certain aspects of that were you know >> Yeah I was just going to say that like yeah know they've never really explored

[46:12] that storyline at all despite like other things picking up little little pieces of it other runs and stuff but it's such a good run too. It's honestly one of the more consistent runs in my opinion for all those characters.

[46:26] >> I It's one of my favorite uh it's definitely of all those ambitious 90s like that. It's it's my favorite because I think they really got to do things with like Beast is probably my favorite character from that. Like just the fact

[46:39] that somebody could be not just evil but the evil that he becomes Joseph Mingala to bring him back over to the other universe. But what does that mean for we but what do you guys think that means for the rest of this season? Do you

[46:55] villain, but we've already seen how the story ends, but is he really defeated in the future? Is Apocalypse a lame villain because we know how it ends? U we're at the halfway point. Last season halfway point was Remember It, and it very

[47:08] clearly set stakes. And I guess the death of Magneto was this season's guys think this can possibly go from here? Have they released all the episode >> Yes, I think so. >> Okay. And none of them stage. I was

[47:22] gonna say at the break neck pace at which they tell these stories, there's still time. We have what, four episodes left, but yeah, if if they've already of them are that, >> the episode titles I feel like a lot

[47:37] >> Yeah. >> Well, okay. Here they are. Um, I guess I should Let's see. Let's spoiler alert. Uh, the next one is a pretty obvious one If you don't know what that's a reference to, I won't spoil it. Uh,

[47:50] Strange Land, Savage Heart. Probably a Savage Land episode. Episode 8, The Dead Man's Hand. Gee, I wonder what that's about. And episode 9, Survival of the that Apocalypse is going to be the villain. So, yeah, I mean, you can kind

[48:04] of just read those and there's not a whole lot of leeway in there. The Savage Land was in the original series a lot. Uh, it was Sinister's temple was there and then they revisited it later on. Uh, Sauron was obviously there. So, I could

[48:18] especially if maybe Sinister's back there. But, I don't know. Do you guys think this is a winning formula for them to go through? I guess I guess should we warning? We talk about on the channel all the time. So, spoiler warning for a

[48:30] the comics. If you don't want to be the comics. If you don't want to be spoiled for this, um, check out now. You what? >> I I'm gonna have to say no comment. So I

[48:43] will listen to your theories. >> Oh, because you've seen them, right? yet. Um >> Oh, so this is Gambit is death. >> Oh, 100%. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[48:57] >> I don't really like that story much. >> We've been saying that since death. Well, yeah, they showed the playing card, but like I'm not a big fan of it's the reason he became death, he volunteered to become death, you know?

[49:10] So, it was less like I've been resurrected and more like he did it uh actually does emotionally manipulate him. And maybe that happens here too because remember >> in uh remember it

[49:24] >> what you said in remember it >> Gambit sees them kiss sees Magneto and doesn't know that Rogue turned him down. the middle of the genocide they didn't have time to stop and say oh by the way

[49:36] I turned Derek down I want to be with you. So he still when he's resurrected is thinking yeah Rogue turned me down. So maybe Magneto is able to make it an or maybe Apocalypse can emotionally manipulate him like he does in the

[49:48] >> Let's get to the super chats, guys. I got a few here. Um Gar Garzilla gave us two bucks. This is it's from the very start and said, "Let's [ __ ] go." And start and said, "Let's [ __ ] go." And here we go. KTK the King says, "Do you

[50:02] feel like we will see an adaptation on the Incredible Hulk issue 40 when fights the Greyhulk?" I don't know that issue. Do you do you um >> is he talking about Incredible Hulk 340? >> I believe is that the the McFarland

[50:15] cover with the the face and the claws? >> Yep. >> Yeah, I would imagine. I don't I don't think you need animated series, but I do think in Secret Wars I think Hugh Jackman came

[50:28] back for Secret Wars and said, "Give me all the things. Give me all the Spider-Man thing and the Hulk thing and I'll come back." said, "I honestly think Wolverine without Adamanthium and Storm Without

[50:41] Powers should have each been a seasonl long subplot." yeah, >> it was the original shows like we had Genus Phoenix for an entire season. Like Mike said, Magneto and Xavier were in

[50:55] really because they shuffled around episodes. They had these two-minute >> Yeah. >> I you know I think they could have done that. Why not? I wouldn't and I wouldn't have done them back toback seasons. It

[51:07] just feels like a little bit like kind of redundant to have her story and then of redundant to have her story and then his like right after it. I don't know. >> But they also the problem nowadays is, you know, to go back to, you know, the

[51:22] TV writing of it all. You don't know when your thing's going to get cancelled. It's hard to do any long-term planning. So, if you have an inkling, uh, if you do want to tell a story, if you do want to have a cameo, it's like

[51:37] can't. I don't know. Have him just turn into Deadpool like Carrie said for two. So, Deadpool's in the show. We can tell Deadpool. Deadpool. Like, he's he wasn't in the original show either. Just the same

[51:50] thing. He was cameos. So, I think that that is coming soon. I hope. Uh, Garzilla gave us 20 bucks. Thanks so much for that. says, "Before this one episode of the team getting back together with each other for the first

[52:02] time since defeating Bastion." Boy, that's true. We haven't even caught our more seeds of Wolverine wanting his adamantium back. >> Like a beach episode. If you watch Avatar, you know, the beach episode

[52:14] chance to >> rivals and I was like all of those skins on the Marvel Rivals game. Just let him go to the beach. Yeah, just let him go. Like do the do the creepy Marvel swimsuit issue. Um

[52:28] swimsuit issue. Um >> have the A on my anus. Oh >> Phil Rumba from Down Under. Give us eight Australian dollars. Says nothing

[52:42] to say, just supported the channel. Happy belated gotcha day for Doug. Thank you. Yeah, earlier this week uh was Doug's gotcha day on Monday. We gave him special treats and belly rubs from all you guys. Arman gave us two pounds and

[52:54] walk while listening. Thanks so much." Doug says, "Hi. Wishes he was there." And Garzilla, who's single-handedly keeping the channel alive, gave us another $5. And said, "This season's arc has to be done over two, I'm reading

[53:08] this wrong. This season's arc has to be done over two seasons. Nine episodes ain't enough." Also, Colton for Professor X. talking about if he keeps losing his hair, he can play Professor X. I don't

[53:20] think that was mean-spirited, at least intended that way. Um, besides, I think I'm farther along than you anyways for that. I just, you know, to be shown on camera. >> Um, I I don't know. I you know, they

[53:33] Winderbomb said he hopes the show runs for 10 seasons. >> Disney Plus has reigned in the live action big time, like the live action budgets, the live action um shows they greenlight. They're doing actual pilots.

[53:48] because production costs are lower, they are willing to say, "Yeah man, do it." Like, "Give us 10, give us five, give us the concepts and the creative team, maybe next season, you know, you think

[54:01] The first season, they didn't know. They didn't know. They didn't no idea. Like Bo Deo had already prepped the season two scripts. He was fired. There was these other things. So, they didn't know. Now, they know. And the same thing

[54:14] they thought it was a one and done. Season two, they had to put this weird because they didn't know what episode Fox would air the seasons. And then you get to go." So that's when they were able to do Dark Phoenix. Maybe the same

[54:28] thing will happen here. >> Yeah, I'm really hopeful. I really like Matthew Chanty, who's taking over things. I love the work that he did with um AC Bradley on what if um they're in issues. So I'm I'm really hopeful. And

[54:42] yeah, I think I think a lot of my complaints with this season are because complaints with this season are because of things having to be shifted around because of the bow situation because like obviously season two was more or

[54:57] less completely done by the time season 1 came out. And so then they had these don't even know if they were able to fully like this is not like me saying things I know or something like I don't even know if they were able to do

[55:10] anything with the season until more recently because of all with B >> and like are we feeling them having to cut stuff more later on in the the process and so there was no time to like port in something else like are there

[55:25] all of us are kind of talking about like connectivity that is missing. Is that out and be like we're not doing that for season 3. We can't leave that in there. Like that's left. I've thought a lot about that because like we know again Bo

[55:41] unreliable narrator he claims that he had planned to do Onslaught and they got >> and like I definitely feel like there are seeds of Onslaught that could happen >> probably not >> because of the onslaught of unsolicited

[55:55] photos that he sent to people. >> Oh stop it you stop it you right unre unreliable narrator for sure. Go ahead. Sorry. >> Is that what we're feeling though? Is there stuff that was tied to that that

[56:10] just had to be taken out and so then we're feeling like the awkwardness of to move episodes around? I mean, the freedom of animation is that you can move things around if you need to. >> True.

[56:23] >> yeah. And I think I was kind of tough on Matthew Chanty, too, with What If season holds up better than it did for me at the time. I just didn't like how it ended. So, yeah, he's done a great job here so far. Sorry, Colton. Go ahead. If

[56:35] anything good comes from all that terrible stuff that happened, it's maybe that we don't have to see Onslaught. >> I hate Onslaught. I'm so glad that we Onslaught. I don't ever >> Does anybody like Onslaught? I've never

[56:49] entire life. Mike, you're the only person I know who would own one. Do you like Onslaught? >> Uh, no. No. And he's a cheap ass character in Marvel vs. Capcom 1. Sucks. I I remember doing a talk back for

[57:04] season one of X-Men 97 like you were on vacation or something Ryan. I was like running the thing >> and I brought up onslaught and Mike was like no we're not doing

[57:16] we're not doing >> I mean he he was just a plot device to get Rob Lifel more work. So, >> oh yeah, but like I see so many people on Twitter like excited about the the premise and like potential of Onslaught

[57:29] >> They don't even know who Onslaught." No, no, they they just >> Yeah, >> because it's a cool It's a It's a It's a cool visual and it's also there is that thing of every comic was somebody's

[57:43] first. Every character does mean something to somebody. I'm sure there's a Garrison Kane fan that's still mad that we made fun of him 55 minutes ago. >> I have say if we're going to get Magneto back, my hope is that we get a

[57:58] resurrection of Magneto style story. I have it sitting here right here. I love this run because I love Storm and Magneto working together. I think they're two of the best characters and also like Omega level characters and

[58:10] they work so well together and I feel like we didn't ever really get to see that much of them in the show working together outside of like Magneto being like, "Yeah, he clearly respects her thoughts on things." But that's my hope

[58:23] that if we do get Mag you can't keep Magneto dead. I'm I'm currently still Magneto dead. I'm I'm currently still like in my bargaining stage deal of his >> I kind of like that he's dead because I feel like we're in this loop with him

[58:35] where it's like I don't like your dream Charles. This is going back to the maybe we can work together and we'll work together and it was so like back good ending >> and at least this season keep him dead.

[58:49] back. will be good. >> Which was Claremont's original plan and interesting. But again, Age of Apocalypse, that's basically what the whole premise is that Xavier dies and Magneto's there. What's the comic you

[59:02] >> Oh, uh, Resurrection of Magneto. It comes after Judgement Day. >> It's fantastic. >> I'm always looking for a new read. Right original Jackal stuff, uh, and all the Keran stuff from the Jerryway comics.

[59:17] And if you haven't read Legacy, I really recommend Legacy. Legacy is one of my favorite runs, >> specifically 2009 to the end of the run. was in college. >> Okay. Sorry, Cole. Were you saying

[59:32] >> we have a We have a Judgment Day video coming out >> Yeah. >> Not a book I've read uh either. Like 48 hours and I haven't. There's so many

[59:44] get through all the Krakcoa books because I'm a completionist. So, I'm like reading through XFactor right now in like the third arc. There's just so >> You're a what? >> What?

[59:56] >> I'm a what? >> A a complete What did you say? >> Oh. >> Uh and let's end it right there. Uh Maggie over at Collider. You got anything else going on, Maggie?

[1:00:10] >> Uh yeah, I have some X-Men stuff that just came out. I had some stuff with yesterday. I have >> great people by the way. Really, really >> I could have spent hours. Um, and then I have another video that's

[1:00:23] Um, and then I have another video that's Lenor um Morph's voice actor whose name I'm blanking on right now in the moment and um Adrian. And then I have some other stuff in the works that's

[1:00:36] thing. >> Always excited. We get your Twitter on Collider. Thanks so much. Talk to you soon. Let's do this again. Mike, what do you got going on? >> I have uh my podcast Nerd of Mouth. Um

[1:00:49] and this Monday we are doing an episode all about Cyclops. So, it is very >> Oh my god. >> That I am uh on on uh you know this episode to to plug that. I'm I'm really excited about it. But um well, basically

[1:01:05] me and my two co-hosts, we did a tier list of X-Men and they wouldn't give him S tier. They gave him A. And I was like, I want a full episode discussion where I'm going to convince you he deserves the S tier. And uh yeah, it's really

[1:01:20] fun. It's a celebration. And I I came up with my own reading list >> for them. Uh how to get into Cyclops, how to be a bigger fan of him. And uh >> Nerd of Mouth is one of my favorite podcasts. In fact, when I got my first

[1:01:34] iPod, it's like when I moved to the city and I actually first met you. It's one to. Is Jake Young still the co-host? Who's on there with you? >> Yeah. Yeah. It's me, him, and Holden McNeely on the LPN Last Podcast Network.

[1:01:47] And now we are on YouTube. Uh so, uh you know, Yeah. Yeah. We, uh we have a lot know, Yeah. Yeah. We, uh we have a lot of fun with it. Uh wrestling, anime. instead? >> Oh, that'd be great. Yeah.

[1:02:02] collab or something. All right. Thanks so much, Mike. You can find one nerd of channel and on your own channel. Everybody else got to talk at the end. specifically. >> Um,

[1:02:16] >> Yeah, there you go. All right. You lost privileges. Thanks, Colton. You can find to hear from you guys. What did you think about this episode? Uh, what you We're on our free to join Discord server. Let me double check I didn't

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