Camelot, Val, Zul'jan & WoWhead... Why People Are Unhappy: A WoW Podcast Obviously Episode #76

[00:56] Hello internet. My name is Tal Essen

[00:58] >> and I'm Evel

[00:58] >> and welcome to a WOW podcast. Obviously,

[01:01] episode number

[01:02] >> 76.

[01:04] >> 76. I don't know why I even bother

[01:06] asking anymore because it's a good

[01:07] number. [laughter]

[01:07] >> It's not like I'm going to catch you

[01:08] out.

[01:09] >> Well, we have to we have to get to like

[01:10] to the good numbers again. We need the

[01:12] fun numbers. [laughter]

[01:14] What's next?

[01:15] >> Ladies and gentlemen, welcome. We are

[01:16] here. Let's go.

[01:20] >> Oh, and on today's podcast, we are going

[01:22] to be talking about what players are

[01:24] unhappy about right now. And there's

[01:26] loads of it. Okay. We're going to be

[01:28] talking Camelot.

[01:29] >> Yes.

[01:29] >> We're going to be talking Zuljan.

[01:32] >> We're going to be talking Wowhead.

[01:35] >> And of course, we're going to be talking

[01:36] patch 12.0.7 revelations and all the

[01:38] revelations in there. Tell you what,

[01:40] >> there's a lot to talk about. You can't

[01:42] enjoy the new zone Val with its snowy

[01:45] goodness and its its beautiful icy cold

[01:49] feels. If you can't enjoy that right

[01:51] now,

[01:51] >> then you're never going to enjoy it.

[01:52] >> No, it's as simple as that, right? You

[01:54] know, like if you can't go into that

[01:56] zone and be like, "Oh, actually, you

[01:57] know, oh, that's kind of helping.

[01:59] Actually, that's kind of good." Uh then

[02:01] b you're screwed. You're never going to

[02:03] enjoy it. It's as simple as that. Hands

[02:04] up in the chat if you are enjoying Valve

[02:07] New Zone. Um, and if you're looking

[02:09] forward to what we're going to be

[02:09] talking about on the podcast today from

[02:11] Sunny Sunny Swansea, if you hear any

[02:15] noises of fans in the background, tough

[02:18] titty. Um, tell us sounds like it's

[02:20] getting picked up from a different mic.

[02:21] Oh. Oh. Oh. Okay. I think I just need to

[02:23] turn myself up a bit there.

[02:24] >> There you go. Crank yourself up, baby.

[02:26] >> In this heat. Yeah. You may notice.

[02:29] >> Yeah. Is that Is that a Hopefully that's

[02:31] a little bit better. Maybe [laughter]

[02:32] I'll check it. Hang on. Hang on. You You

[02:33] keep talking. You may notice that uh it

[02:36] is we are looking particularly shiny. Uh

[02:39] in case you haven't seen the news,

[02:41] there's a bit of a heat wave going on in

[02:43] the UK uh at the moment. Uh which is

[02:46] increasing the level of shine, which is

[02:48] increasing fan uh noise as well. Uh so

[02:51] yeah, but uh so I'm not actually looking

[02:53] at my PC right now. I cannot bear to

[02:55] turn on another giant machine. So I'll

[02:57] be reading chat on my laptop in front of

[03:00] me, which is why I'm looking down as I

[03:02] melt.

[03:03] >> [laughter]

[03:04] >> Yeah, I just meant like talk about uh

[03:06] super chats and stuff like that, but

[03:07] that's cool too.

[03:08] >> That's super chat. Absolutely. I meant

[03:10] like you show stuff really just like

[03:13] shoot the [ __ ] But that's cool.

[03:14] >> You don't want to You don't want to talk

[03:15] about my hair? I think my hair is

[03:16] looking quite

[03:17] >> You were very upset with your hair when

[03:18] you got it done. [snorts]

[03:19] >> I I was

[03:20] >> You You were moody for like a day and a

[03:22] half

[03:22] >> and the sun came out and it made it and

[03:24] it made it the right color. Anyway,

[03:26] >> Taling got older. It's true. Every time

[03:29] I [ __ ] your mom, I get a line on my

[03:31] face. Whoa.

[03:33] [laughter]

[03:35] [clears throat]

[03:35] >> God. Going to have to edit that out of

[03:37] the auto audio version.

[03:38] >> No, you're not. What are you talking

[03:40] about? [laughter]

[03:42] >> Anyway, um should you like Tally to

[03:45] continue saying things like that or if

[03:47] you'd like [laughter] us to talk about,

[03:49] you know, you're very, you know, some

[03:50] people are just into that kind of thing.

[03:52] Uh please feel free to drop us a super

[03:54] chat if you're watching on YouTube. Um

[03:57] we will go through those uh towards the

[03:59] end of today's show. Uh, drop us your

[04:01] thoughts, your comments, your questions,

[04:04] your anything you want to tell us. Uh,

[04:08] throw them in there. So, uh, yeah, I

[04:11] look forward to seeing those at the end

[04:12] of the show today.

[04:13] >> Yeah. Uh, looking forward to it. Yes.

[04:15] Make us talk about whatever you want.

[04:17] Uh, if you just want to kind of be like,

[04:19] yo, um, why are you complaining so much

[04:23] about the heat? Just get air

[04:24] conditioning. I live in like Texas or

[04:27] whatever where it's way hotter. Yeah.

[04:29] >> Um, and you know, I get out of my air

[04:31] conditioned into my air conditioned car

[04:34] where I drive for an hour to my air

[04:37] conditioned and then, you know, I might

[04:39] stop off in the like um Starbucks

[04:43] drive-thru on my way home

[04:46] to in my air conditioned house again

[04:47] playing WoW. And I'm hardly hot at all,

[04:50] man. So, like, what is what's wrong with

[04:53] you guys? [laughter]

[04:54] >> Yeah, exactly. Um, you've probably heard

[04:57] it already, but yeah, the the UK is it's

[04:59] built different. It's not quite built

[05:01] for uh heat waves. So, we get like three

[05:04] days a year, I'd say, which are kind of

[05:06] unbearable, increasing every year.

[05:08] >> And also, air conditioning didn't exist

[05:09] in uh Victorian times when most of our

[05:11] houses were built. Um, so it's, you

[05:13] know, they they're brick houses. They

[05:15] don't have like hollow walls and stuff

[05:17] and and they're kind of they're just

[05:19] they're just, you know, I guess you

[05:21] could retrofit them with air

[05:22] conditioning, but it would be a lot of

[05:24] effort.

[05:25] >> Exactly. For for just a few days. And to

[05:27] be fair, downstairs is kind of nice.

[05:29] Downstairs feels like a little cellar.

[05:31] Uh upstairs where the office is,

[05:34] [laughter]

[05:35] that's the maximum heat exposure we're

[05:37] getting.

[05:38] >> Yeah. Yeah. Because we're right

[05:39] underneath the roof here and our roof is

[05:41] currently um uninsulated. So when when

[05:44] the heat bangs down on it, it gets very

[05:46] very hot indeed. So uh yeah, so excuse

[05:48] that if we are glistening, and I know we

[05:51] are. Gosh, I know I am. Been glisting

[05:53] all day. Uh you know, I'm wearing linen

[05:56] shirts with buttons undone. We're

[05:57] looking pretty sexy, I reckon.

[05:59] >> I I actually, you know what? Not too

[06:01] bad. I don't know if you guys caught our

[06:03] our photos over on like Instagram and uh

[06:06] Twitter, but Tally took his socks off

[06:09] yesterday. It was kind of crazy.

[06:10] >> Excuse me. I'm not wearing socks right

[06:12] now. I haven't worn socks all week. Are

[06:15] you kidding me? I wear socks down the

[06:17] beach, right? Because like, you know, I

[06:19] like it when I come out the sea and I

[06:22] and I've got sandy feet and stuff and I

[06:24] dry my feet and I get rid of the sand.

[06:25] There's something really lovely about

[06:26] putting on a clean pair of socks after

[06:29] the beach, you know, after you've been

[06:30] walking around barefoot and you've been

[06:32] kind of, you know, getting sand in

[06:33] between your toes and things like that.

[06:35] I think it's actually really lovely to

[06:37] to do that. Um, and that feeling of

[06:39] socks. So, yeah, I take my socks down

[06:41] the beach. get over it. But uh I I don't

[06:44] wear them generally otherwise at the

[06:46] moment. Yeah. [clears throat]

[06:47] >> I just posted a photo of you sitting

[06:48] outside on uh in our garden like in the

[06:52] heat wearing socks and everyone's like,

[06:54] "Why is that man wearing socks?"

[06:55] >> Oh, right. Yeah, sure. I mean, okay.

[06:57] Okay.

[06:57] >> It became a bit of a discourse.

[06:59] >> That's fair enough. You're allowed to

[07:00] make fun of me. That's okay. Just don't

[07:02] make fun of my wife. [laughter]

[07:05] >> Exactly. Um, especially especially if

[07:08] she has to leave a mythic plus key to go

[07:11] look after her children.

[07:12] >> Speaking of people who aren't very happy

[07:15] in the World of Warcraft, now I

[07:17] deliberated long and hard about whether

[07:19] to talk about this on the show because

[07:20] it has been one of the main discourses

[07:22] of the week and I wasn't going to

[07:25] because it's kind of impossible not to

[07:26] name and shame and I don't like doing

[07:28] that. I don't like, you know, I don't

[07:30] want anyone to get any flak because

[07:32] we've talked about something on the

[07:33] podcast or something like that. But then

[07:36] I learned something which made me go,

[07:37] "Oh, [ __ ] it. Who cares? Let's talk

[07:39] about it." Um, so I don't know if you've

[07:40] seen this, uh, but one of the main

[07:42] discourses of the week on social media

[07:44] for World of Warcraft, and don't worry,

[07:46] we'll get into like real life

[07:49] in just a moment. Was a I see if I can

[07:52] get rid of the name. There we go. Yeah.

[07:54] Uh, was a

[07:58] Twitter post which has um Oh, hang on.

[08:04] Oh no.

[08:05] Oh no.

[08:06] >> Where's R bring that back. Where's that

[08:09] gone?

[08:09] >> What's that?

[08:10] >> Oh no.

[08:10] >> Oh no.

[08:12] >> Oh, it's not going to show. Malfunction.

[08:14] >> Do you know this happened on stream the

[08:15] other day, actually? Yeah. Yeah. Uh

[08:20] >> wait a minute. I'm just going to have to

[08:21] >> Okay, just do it. Just do it manually.

[08:24] Um someone in chat is asking about

[08:25] Speaking of asking about schools. It is

[08:27] so hot. They have closed the schools.

[08:30] Yeah,

[08:31] >> it's literally a heat emergency. Like we

[08:35] it's your responsibility to make sure

[08:36] that your children drink enough water

[08:38] today.

[08:38] >> Yeah. Yeah. Seriously.

[08:39] >> It's like uh that we can No, we do not

[08:42] accept liability for that.

[08:43] >> Okay. So, I'm not going to have it on

[08:45] No, actually, I do need to sort this out

[08:46] because I want to throw stuff on screen.

[08:47] >> Oh, yeah. Absolutely.

[08:48] >> Maybe you can describe uh what happened,

[08:51] Evie, while I'm while I'm getting it on

[08:52] screen. Uh, so, uh, in case you missed

[08:54] it, there was a a bit of a discourse

[08:56] going around, uh, in which someone

[08:58] tweeted, you know, I'm going to pull it

[09:00] up right now so I can I can relay it to

[09:02] you faithfully and accurately.

[09:04] >> Oh, I got it. I got it. You got it. Well

[09:06] done.

[09:06] >> Sorry about that. Okay. If you are

[09:08] pregnant and you join a Mythic Plus, he

[09:10] was a man, so I'm doing a man voice as

[09:12] you can tell.

[09:12] >> If you're a parent, sorry, that's the

[09:13] >> If you're a parent and you join a Mythic

[09:16] Plus run, you deserve to be permanently

[09:18] banned. Let's just sit on that for a

[09:20] second.

[09:20] >> Yeah. Okay. Um, that means that means if

[09:23] Chris Metson joins a Mythic Plus run, he

[09:25] deserves to be permanently banned

[09:26] because I know for a fact he's a parent.

[09:28] Uh, like if Donald Trump joins a Mythic

[09:30] Plus run, he deserves to be permanently

[09:32] banned because he's a parent.

[09:33] >> Now, when I first heard this, I was

[09:34] like, okay, a little bit of hyperbole on

[09:37] Twitter. We've all been there, right? A

[09:39] little bit of exaggeration, but no,

[09:41] >> there's more. And, you know, maybe I'd

[09:43] like to know your views on this as well.

[09:45] That's why I'm bringing it up because I

[09:46] love a discourse, right? And it's

[09:47] something that has affected us

[09:48] personally a couple of years ago as well

[09:50] because I remember this exact thing

[09:51] happening to us. So, uh maybe in

[09:55] retrospect, you should be permanently

[09:56] banned Evie.

[09:57] >> I think I should.

[09:58] >> Um

[09:58] >> this person went AFK because their baby

[10:01] woke up and since they were solely

[10:02] responsible for it, they abandoned us

[10:04] for and we ended up breaking the stone.

[10:07] Wow. That must be a Spanish turn of

[10:09] phrase Spanish. Breaking the stone. Not

[10:12] killing the key. Breaking the stone.

[10:13] >> Just some auto translate going on there.

[10:15] Can Can we find uh like other

[10:17] anacronisms for what people call killing

[10:19] a key like in different languages and

[10:20] making a t-shirt of it with all

[10:22] different translations of killing the

[10:23] key? I just think that would be very

[10:25] cool. And then a picture of a baby at

[10:26] the bottom.

[10:27] >> Of course,

[10:27] >> picture the baby like I did it. This was

[10:29] me. I made this. [laughter]

[10:32] You're probably thinking, I'm

[10:33] exaggerating, right? Let's look at it

[10:35] from another perspective. Imagine you

[10:37] have to leave in 15 minutes, go to to go

[10:40] to work if you don't want to be late.

[10:42] Would you join a dungeon that lasts at

[10:44] least 35 minutes? Probably not, because

[10:46] even in the best case scenario, you're

[10:48] likely to have to abandon the group.

[10:49] Well, the case with your child is

[10:51] exactly the same.

[10:54] If you're alone with the responsibility

[10:55] of the baby, you cannot commit to 35

[10:59] minutes with four other people because

[11:00] there's a chance you'll have to abandon

[11:02] them. So, according to your logic, as

[11:03] long as Sorry, now he's doing a voice or

[11:05] something. So, according to your logic,

[11:07] as long as I'm alone taking care of my

[11:08] child, it means I can never play

[11:10] competitively competitively in Well, I'm

[11:12] I'm going to do the voice as I think he

[11:14] he hears it.

[11:15] >> Yeah.

[11:16] >> So, according to your logic, as long as

[11:18] I'm alone taking care of my child, it

[11:20] means I can never play competitively in

[11:22] a group correct. I'm glad you got it.

[11:26] >> Oh,

[11:27] >> now, no judgment. You can you can

[11:29] probably guess where we're coming from

[11:30] on the judgment scale here by how we've

[11:33] been talking about it already. But no

[11:35] judgment to people in this chat because

[11:36] people in this chat are very very cool

[11:37] and nice.

[11:38] >> Yeah.

[11:39] >> Uh oh, there's a picture of the uh the

[11:41] thing here as well. Um

[11:44] >> what are your views on this? Because you

[11:46] know to a certain extent, let's be

[11:48] reasonable and fair here. Man has a

[11:50] point. Like you shouldn't be committing

[11:51] to keys. And this was a plus 17 by the

[11:54] way. So, I [laughter] mean I mean I

[11:58] hardly what I describe as competitive

[12:00] key in this day and age, but okay, it's

[12:03] a plus 17. That's like in the serious

[12:05] level. I'm sure he marked it as

[12:07] competitive and things like that. So,

[12:08] you know, assuming assuming it was a

[12:11] competitive labeled key and not a

[12:14] relaxed labeled key,

[12:17] uh was this person in the wrong? And you

[12:19] know, should should you like what what

[12:21] do you think of his example first of

[12:22] all, I guess, about joining a key when

[12:25] you know you've only got 15 minutes

[12:26] before you have to leave for work.

[12:27] >> Yeah. I mean, it's kind of funny because

[12:30] leaving for work in 15 minutes and

[12:32] having an actual child that you look

[12:34] after 24/7 is kind of a, you know, it

[12:38] doesn't really line up. You know, you

[12:40] know that you're leaving for work in 15

[12:42] minutes. You don't know if your child's

[12:44] going to wake up from a nap in 15

[12:45] minutes.

[12:47] >> You know they might. Yeah. Well, then in

[12:48] that by that logic, yeah, I you know,

[12:50] you follow this guy's logic to the end.

[12:52] That means you should never do a key

[12:54] because nursery might call. Correct.

[12:56] >> I'm glad you got it.

[12:57] >> Exactly. Nursery might call and send

[12:59] them home. Even if you have daycare, if

[13:01] they're with your granny, the they might

[13:03] die and you might have to go and pick

[13:05] them up like you have to bother if they

[13:07] die.

[13:08] >> Well, yeah. Well, no, the granny might

[13:11] on her, [laughter]

[13:13] >> you know, and it's like, ah, right. Um,

[13:16] that's Yeah. And so yeah, of course, if

[13:18] you follow this person's logic to the

[13:20] end, it means no one uh with children

[13:22] should ever do keys.

[13:24] >> Well, I mean, you don't have to follow

[13:25] to an end. That's that's exactly what

[13:26] he's saying.

[13:26] >> Yeah. Exact. Exactly. But if I push this

[13:28] a little further, um I would go and say

[13:31] that like if you're a human being who

[13:33] has normal bodily functions and has to

[13:35] [ __ ] I would argue you also should

[13:38] never do a key because you never know

[13:40] >> you might need a [ __ ]

[13:41] >> when you might need a [ __ ] You might be

[13:42] one of those people.

[13:42] >> You might have you might have an

[13:43] aneurysm. You might be one of those

[13:45] people who knows 15 minutes in advance,

[13:49] and I know you're out there.

[13:50] >> If you're relying on an electricity

[13:52] grid,

[13:53] >> you know, then um then then it might cut

[13:56] off. If you're in America, it's very

[13:58] likely that your internet is going to

[13:59] cut off.

[13:59] >> Yeah.

[14:00] >> So, I mean,

[14:01] >> it's it's extremely likely if you live

[14:02] in a society, you are not allowed to do

[14:05] keys because something might happen,

[14:09] >> right?

[14:09] >> Yeah.

[14:09] >> That and it's like uh I and I, you know,

[14:13] and Exactly. Like it sucks. It sucks

[14:15] when you when you break a key. That's a

[14:17] bad feeling.

[14:18] >> Okay. So So [laughter]

[14:19] I I agree with you implicitly. I'm just

[14:21] trying to like devil's advocate a little

[14:22] bit, you know, because of the discourse

[14:24] cuz believe it or not, there are some

[14:25] people that agree with this. And like I

[14:27] say, maybe there are people um in in the

[14:29] chat do and like I say, no shade if

[14:31] that's what you believe. That's

[14:31] absolutely fine because I think I think

[14:33] it is a valid topic for debate. I myself

[14:36] have been a member of a key group

[14:38] >> where the key got bricked because some

[14:42] unthoughtful,

[14:43] uncaring,

[14:45] unprofessional

[14:47] hunter

[14:48] >> had to go and look after the baby cuz it

[14:50] woke up in the middle of the key. And

[14:52] you know, you could argue maybe I should

[14:54] have done that cuz it was also my baby

[14:55] and I was in exactly the same room at

[14:57] the same time. But I was healing and we

[15:00] thought that we could probably do

[15:01] without the the [laughter] hunter a

[15:02] little bit more. So Evie had to go and

[15:04] get the baby and I didn't have to. Okay.

[15:07] So, you know, but I knew So, here's the

[15:09] thing. Here's why. I was I I was okay in

[15:12] that situation cuz I knew that you would

[15:14] have to go and get the baby if it woke

[15:15] up. SO, I WAS FINE to join that key, but

[15:17] it was you, Evie. It was you that

[15:19] shouldn't have joined it.

[15:21] >> Correct. I'm glad you got it.

[15:23] >> Yeah.

[15:24] [laughter]

[15:25] >> That's why I play healer. A so I don't

[15:27] have to bother with interrupts. And B,

[15:29] so I don't have to bother with being

[15:30] interrupted by babies.

[15:32] >> [laughter]

[15:33] >> But, you know, like I I feel like I

[15:36] don't think anyone who's ever been a

[15:38] parent

[15:39] >> would have written this. It's as simple

[15:40] as that. And and the person who wrote

[15:42] this, if you have been a parent,

[15:44] apologies. And I don't want to pull the

[15:45] parent card, okay? I don't want to do

[15:47] that thing like, well, people who don't

[15:48] have kids don't understand. They don't

[15:50] have to understand to know that their

[15:51] keys been ripped, right? But there's

[15:53] that thing of like most of the time that

[15:55] baby probably sleeps a certain amount of

[15:58] time at a certain time of the day and

[16:00] you're like, you know, well, I've done

[16:02] all the washing up. I've done all the

[16:03] cleaning. I've done all the things I

[16:05] desperately do when this uh kid is

[16:07] sleeping

[16:08] >> and I've got, you know, according to

[16:10] usual routines about an hour.

[16:13] >> Sounds like time for the one key I can

[16:15] do this week, right?

[16:16] >> I remember those days.

[16:17] >> I'll do a I'll do a nice low key that

[16:20] any old scrub can do. 17 and let's rock

[16:23] it, you know.

[16:24] >> Um, so, uh, and also

[16:28] >> even if it does annoy you and even if

[16:30] you do think it's bad, you must know

[16:32] you're going to get your ass handed to

[16:34] you if you go and write this.

[16:36] >> No, the the lack of for

[16:40] even if you hate brown people, right, we

[16:42] can't do anything about that. Don't go

[16:43] on the internet and say it.

[16:45] >> You're going to get [ __ ] right? I'm not

[16:46] saying this person hates brown people.

[16:47] >> Do go on the internet. This person

[16:49] doesn't unless they've got babies and

[16:51] are trying to run keys with them, in

[16:53] which case, you know,

[16:55] >> that's it. Okay. Um, I'm not saying this

[16:58] person hates babies of other races,

[17:00] unless they wake up when someone in

[17:01] their key is is trying to trying to do

[17:04] the key with him, in which case they do,

[17:05] but not nothing to do with race, right?

[17:07] But so what I'm saying [laughter] is you

[17:10] It's one of those things where, you

[17:12] know, you're going to get your [ __ ]

[17:13] [ __ ]

[17:14] >> pushed back in by the internet on this

[17:15] one.

[17:16] >> [ __ ] pushed [laughter] back.

[17:17] >> Yeah. like the internet is going to take

[17:19] one look at your [ __ ] and push it right

[17:20] back in on this one.

[17:22] >> Yeah.

[17:22] >> Yeah. Um and I'm also a bit you know

[17:25] what the the fact that someone thought

[17:26] it was cool to just put this out there.

[17:28] Listen, I'm I'm uh I'm an old-timer.

[17:30] I've seen stuff on the internet and I

[17:32] understand that like there is no

[17:34] threshold anymore for people saying

[17:37] dumbass [ __ ] Um so in a way I wasn't

[17:39] surprised. I was quite a bit

[17:41] disappointed in the people who were like

[17:43] well he's got a point. It's like

[17:45] >> I'm going to assume I'm going to assume

[17:47] that this guy

[17:49] >> uh had posted his group as a competitive

[17:51] group and not as a relaxed group. Okay,

[17:53] maybe maybe someone can correct me. Now

[17:56] >> I have checked his stream

[17:58] >> but only only for to check something

[18:00] else, right? Um so I feel like you know

[18:03] if this was a relaxed key then this guy

[18:05] hasn't got a leg to stand on basically,

[18:07] right? But if it was if it was

[18:09] competitive, then I would say that

[18:11] actually, you know, kind of on the

[18:14] parent here to to make sure you're

[18:16] applying to relaxed keys, you know, if

[18:18] if if you're if you're there looking

[18:19] after your kids and I I would be

[18:22] applying to relaxed keys. I only apply

[18:24] to relaxed keys anyway to be honest

[18:25] because you know

[18:27] >> as as is well known I'm like 100%

[18:31] uh the reason I only apply to relaxed

[18:33] keys is because I love it when someone

[18:34] starts getting a bit angry or annoyed

[18:36] just typing in chat

[18:38] >> well that's not very relaxed of you it's

[18:41] just my favorite thing and it only works

[18:43] if I do relaxed he right so and it

[18:45] always gets a laugh it always breaks the

[18:47] tension it always like you know wins the

[18:50] argument right and then just like well

[18:52] that's not very relaxed

[18:53] and everything is cool again. And I just

[18:55] think that's really great and I love

[18:56] that. So I especially now I'm tanking as

[18:58] well. I'm doing um plus 10s on my on my

[19:00] paladin now.

[19:02] >> Um and uh yeah, I would I I don't know

[19:04] the roots, right? I I hit which ones are

[19:07] lit up

[19:08] >> cuz [laughter] I've got that setting on

[19:09] >> and that's it. I don't know the pulls. I

[19:12] don't know the roots. Sometimes it

[19:13] annoys people. So I only do relaxed

[19:14] keys, right? You know. Um and uh yeah.

[19:17] So I I yeah in that case I would say

[19:21] still not doesn't deserve the the [ __ ]

[19:24] this poster is trying to give the parent

[19:27] but you know I yeah maybe maybe look at

[19:30] relaxed keys in the future that that

[19:32] function exists.

[19:33] >> Yeah

[19:33] >> that's that's the mostly way I can give

[19:35] this poster in terms of agreeing with

[19:36] him.

[19:37] >> Sure. Sure.

[19:38] >> So I don't care about this. So

[19:39] >> you know maybe maybe be like hey uh FYI

[19:42] I might be interrupted at some point.

[19:45] >> Mhm. you know, maybe just comm you know,

[19:46] you can you can also choose

[19:48] >> you just get instick from the key if you

[19:49] did that even on the relaxed to be to be

[19:52] fair. So, I can see why you wouldn't do

[19:53] that.

[19:54] >> Okay, that's also possible.

[19:55] >> Yeah, like I I I I get it, you know, and

[19:57] I'm sure there are many people in

[19:58] similar situations who have kids or who

[20:01] are living with some kind of uh like

[20:04] disability, which means they might, you

[20:06] know, have to run off

[20:07] >> for an emergency or something or or or

[20:09] any other like someone might just get

[20:12] the doorbell might [ __ ] ring. Like

[20:14] I've I've had more people leave keys

[20:18] because the doorbell rang [laughter]

[20:20] than because their kids have woken up.

[20:21] Do you know what I mean? And like you

[20:23] know what are we going to say? If you've

[20:24] got a doorbell, you shouldn't be

[20:26] running. You should be perma band. He

[20:28] doesn't say you shouldn't be running

[20:29] keys. He said you should be perma band

[20:31] >> if you've got a doorbell [laughter]

[20:34] because how do you know it's not going

[20:35] to ring

[20:37] >> correct? I'm glad you got it.

[20:39] >> You know, and like exactly what you what

[20:41] you supposed to do, man. Um I I like and

[20:44] and you know what

[20:46] person who left maybe next time just say

[20:48] the doorbell cuz no one seems to mind

[20:51] that apparently. Just say next time just

[20:53] say it's the doorbell

[20:54] like

[20:55] >> Yeah.

[20:56] >> Yeah.

[20:56] >> Emergency bio.

[20:57] >> Exactly. I I didn't care about this,

[20:59] right? I I wasn't even going to talk

[21:01] about this. But the thing that really

[21:02] spun my gears on it and the reason I'm

[21:05] bringing it up

[21:06] >> because I I don't agree with this

[21:08] person, you know, but whatever. The

[21:09] internet's going to take care of it. the

[21:11] internet will make themselves known uh

[21:13] in their comments and you know I don't

[21:15] approve of any any [ __ ] being given to

[21:17] anyone.

[21:18] >> Uh so please don't go to this tweet and

[21:20] like

[21:22] >> give any [ __ ] or nastiness or harassment

[21:24] or anything like that. If you do that,

[21:25] you're no friend of ours. We don't want

[21:27] anything to do with you.

[21:29] However [laughter]

[21:31] um, someone went to the stream where

[21:33] this happened and I, this is why I went

[21:35] to the stream, right, was so I could

[21:37] check to see if this was real and it

[21:39] wasn't like adopted screen like and I I

[21:41] can confirm it is real.

[21:42] >> Is it real?

[21:43] >> Yeah. This this this streamer

[21:46] filed a report on this player who left

[21:49] the key

[21:51] uh and reported them for

[21:55] terrorist violent content

[21:59] and also child abuse.

[22:01] >> Oh wow.

[22:02] >> And in the comments put he is abandoning

[22:04] a ch he is abandoning a child in the

[22:06] streets.

[22:09] >> And that my friend is a false report.

[22:12] >> Yeah. Like, and also ironically shows

[22:15] how [ __ ] your your initial point is

[22:17] because what you actually reported them

[22:19] for was the exact 180° polar opposite of

[22:23] what they actually did. They left the

[22:25] key to look after their child. And you

[22:28] know, that's such a good reason to leave

[22:30] a key that you had to report THEM FOR

[22:32] THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF THAT, ABANDONING

[22:34] their child. So, you know, you know it's

[22:37] okay to abandon a key to look after your

[22:39] child because YOU HAD TO LIE IN YOUR

[22:41] REPORT and say they did the EXACT

[22:43] OPPOSITE. IF YOU'RE SO [ __ ] SURE that

[22:46] that's a a good reason for reporting

[22:48] someone, report them for what they

[22:50] actually did, you piece of [ __ ] [ __ ]

[22:53] And also don't file a false report on

[22:57] your [ __ ] STREAM WHERE SOMEONE CAN GO

[22:59] AND LOOK AT IT AND THERE'S [ __ ]

[23:01] PHOTOGRAPHIC evidence of you falsely

[23:04] ACCUSING SOMEONE OF CHILD ABUSE. There

[23:07] is someone who's going to get

[23:08] pertinently banned here, dude. And it's

[23:10] you. You [ __ ] piece of [ __ ]

[23:13] >> That's what made me angry and that's why

[23:15] I included it in the show. [laughter]

[23:18] Imagine

[23:20] reporting someone for child abuse

[23:22] because they stopped playing a video

[23:24] game to look after their child.

[23:26] >> Yeah,

[23:27] >> that's [ __ ] insane. It's like he's

[23:30] literally angry about someone looking

[23:32] after their child instead of playing a

[23:34] video game and reports them

[23:36] >> for the opposite of that. Like

[23:38] >> it's just like and just doing that is

[23:40] such a waste of time for everyone.

[23:42] >> Oh, thank you. Thank you for like

[23:43] lowering tone of your voice there and

[23:44] making it more calm. We all needed that.

[23:46] I appreciate you. Thank you. It's just

[23:47] that's just my go-to. It's just such a

[23:50] waste of time for everyone like putting

[23:52] in like I Yeah, it's it's really

[23:55] >> What's though? Well, you like they've

[23:58] ripped they've ripped a 17 cuz one

[24:00] person left. So, I'm not getting It's

[24:02] not that high, is it?

[24:03] >> Yeah,

[24:03] >> let's be real.

[24:04] >> Yeah.

[24:06] >> So, look, man.

[24:08] >> Uh Yeah. Look, I I wasn't even going to

[24:10] cover this. I wasn't even going to do

[24:11] it. Um, but reporting someone

[24:15] fraudulently for terrorism and child

[24:17] abuse when they did the literal opposite

[24:20] of it

[24:21] >> is insane. Like absolutely wild and Oh,

[24:25] dude mate.

[24:27] >> Yeah,

[24:27] >> this is you know

[24:29] >> you're in trouble, dude.

[24:31] >> Like like filing a false report on

[24:34] stream. Are you insane?

[24:36] >> I know.

[24:37] >> Are you a [ __ ] Are you dumb? Thank

[24:39] goodness you are cuz you deserve the

[24:41] ban. But like, thank goodness you

[24:42] weren't more clever about it.

[24:44] >> Holy heck.

[24:45] >> I know, right?

[24:45] >> Absolutely insane. I can't believe it. I

[24:47] can't. And And also just shows a

[24:49] complete lack of conviction in the thing

[24:51] that they're actually angry about. It's

[24:53] like, if you actually think

[24:55] >> that leaving a key to look after your

[24:56] kid is bad, put that in the report, BUT

[24:58] YOU KNOW IT'S NOT BAD. THAT'S WHY YOU

[25:01] HAVE TO LIE about it.

[25:02] >> Exactly.

[25:02] >> Absolutely insane. So, uh, that was that

[25:04] was a discourse this week. And I'm sorry

[25:06] it's not the type of show where we go

[25:07] after people or anything like that, but

[25:09] it just really ground my gears.

[25:11] >> I could tell

[25:12] >> that's all. And I Yeah. So anyway,

[25:14] whatever, man. Uh sorry. Please. Like I

[25:17] say,

[25:18] >> I've made my feelings on this clear.

[25:19] Please don't go and you know, you know,

[25:22] go and go and make your feelings known

[25:24] if you wish that to happen. You know,

[25:25] I'm sure he's blocked this entire thread

[25:27] now anyway. Who cares? But no

[25:28] harassment, no no like badness, no

[25:31] anything like that, okay? No. Like

[25:33] talking about their family or cuz I know

[25:35] his mom. She's really nice and like

[25:37] [laughter]

[25:37] very caring, very selfless. Okay. So,

[25:41] don't don't do it. All right. Like

[25:44] you're no friend of us if you do that. I

[25:46] cannot state that enough. Thank you.

[25:49] >> Yeah.

[25:49] >> Um Oh, there's lots of people in this

[25:50] chat who know his mom, actually. So,

[25:51] yeah. No, exactly. And the last thing we

[25:52] want is for her to be upset, so don't do

[25:54] it. [laughter]

[25:57] >> Uh anyway, what else? What else are we

[25:59] talking about, Fam? I'm just amazed you

[26:01] summed up the energy to go off like

[26:02] that. Yeah, it's just too high.

[26:06] >> And also, I was getting a lot of uh

[26:08] praise and compliments for how shiny and

[26:11] tanned I look. And I thought if I get

[26:12] myself worked up, I'll get even more

[26:13] shiny.

[26:14] >> Yeah, exactly.

[26:14] >> And hopefully I'll get even more

[26:16] compliments.

[26:17] [laughter]

[26:18] >> Well, cuz my hair now, just take a break

[26:20] from Wow for a second. I believe

[26:22] >> Wait, hold on. I couldn't talk about my

[26:24] hair, but you want to talk about your

[26:26] hair?

[26:26] >> You did talk about your hair for about a

[26:27] minute.

[26:27] >> I know. No, it wasn't that long.

[26:30] [laughter]

[26:30] >> Uh, look, my hair has entered the flow

[26:33] state now. Okay.

[26:34] >> Oh, the what state?

[26:35] >> Well, my my internet knows that my hair

[26:38] has got long for some reason. Yes.

[26:39] >> I don't know why cuz the cameras that

[26:41] filming all the time pick it up, I

[26:42] guess, on every kind of electronic

[26:44] device I use. So, now all I used to get

[26:47] just ads for like like erection

[26:50] dysfunction, erectile dysfunction stuff,

[26:52] right? Um,

[26:54] >> I get those too. It's like you're you're

[26:56] 43. You probably can't pleasure your

[26:58] wife. What do you think about that? Um,

[27:01] but now now I'm just getting adverts for

[27:03] like how to get the perfect flow

[27:05] haircut.

[27:06] >> The perfect flow haircut.

[27:07] >> Yeah, exactly. And and like how what

[27:09] products and what to tell your barber to

[27:11] get the perfect flow haircut and stuff

[27:12] like that. So the somehow the internet

[27:14] knows my hair is getting longer and uh

[27:16] but I I I think it's doing I think

[27:19] >> I like it. I think this is like the one

[27:21] kind of uh sort of long haircut that a

[27:24] 40-year-old man can get away with. The

[27:26] sweatback kind of like, you know, and I

[27:30] I I think it's all right. I think it's

[27:31] kind of nice.

[27:31] >> I think it's good. It's good. I like the

[27:33] little Yeah.

[27:34] >> Yeah. And I am I am Italian. I do have

[27:36] Mediterranean skin. Every year we go

[27:39] through the sherad where you are

[27:40] surprised that I get tanned extremely

[27:42] quickly just by going outside to pick up

[27:44] some milk or something. Um and and and

[27:46] it is true. It is true. I am getting

[27:48] that little kind of like tan mark at the

[27:49] top of my head.

[27:50] >> Oh, I love that. Yeah. Which makes it

[27:51] look like

[27:53] >> Yeah. Do you remember when certain

[27:54] streamers used to um react to our videos

[27:57] and uh if I if you weren't on screen and

[27:59] they were talking about your tits, I was

[28:01] on screen, they're like, "Why is he

[28:02] wearing makeup?"

[28:03] >> I remember those.

[28:04] >> Why is he wearing makeup? And I was

[28:05] like, "Well, thank you very much, but

[28:06] I'm not.

[28:08] >> I'm just I just look great." [laughter]

[28:15] >> Um Yeah. So, so there we go. Yeah. And I

[28:18] Yes, I'm I'm wearing my shirt unbuttoned

[28:20] down to my nips because that's what

[28:22] we're doing. Yeah. And yes, I'm wearing

[28:24] a linen work shirt because I'm that kind

[28:25] of guy. Anyway, what else has upset

[28:27] people in wow? I'll tell you. Vow

[28:31] >> a rhyming couplet. What do you think

[28:33] about that? E,

[28:34] >> that's a that was a good one.

[28:35] >> Thanks, mate.

[28:35] >> Pure Shakespeare.

[28:36] >> It was a good one. Unlike the zone vow,

[28:38] which is a croc of [ __ ] Hands up if

[28:42] [laughter] that's unfair. No. Okay. I

[28:45] I'm I'm I'm I'm in character as a member

[28:47] of the player base right now. Yes. Okay.

[28:50] So, uh you haven't played any Val, have

[28:51] you?

[28:52] >> I literally haven't because

[28:53] >> I can tell because you were smiling this

[28:54] morning.

[28:55] >> I was like, "Yeah, no, I literally

[28:57] haven't because the heat wave kicked in

[28:59] on Tuesday and I have just like

[29:00] literally found it unable to to turn on

[29:03] this."

[29:04] >> I've spent the last three days writing

[29:06] about a paragraph of a script.

[29:07] >> Yeah, exactly. Dying. And if Tally's up

[29:09] here and there is one PC going and I'm

[29:11] like I do not dare turn on another one

[29:14] because this it would be completely

[29:15] untenable. So tell me tell me about Val.

[29:18] Tell me what what hurts about Val.

[29:20] >> Do you remember do you remember Nagtal?

[29:22] What do you think of Tell me tell me

[29:23] about Nagtal and then I'll compare it to

[29:25] Val.

[29:26] >> Nagttow nal. I don't know. Whatever you

[29:29] want whatever you want to call that. I

[29:31] uh I I thought it was fun on the PTR and

[29:33] then I thought it was like just

[29:35] absolutely kind of pointless once you

[29:37] logged on to it on live.

[29:38] >> Oh no. What What was so pointless about

[29:40] it?

[29:40] >> It it like there were there are no mobs.

[29:43] I went straight on heroic. There was

[29:44] nothing going on. You know, there's

[29:46] always that issue with your it's full of

[29:48] people doing stuff and just wiping the

[29:49] map and that's fine. But it meant that

[29:51] there was nothing there. I did my

[29:53] quests. It was over and that was

[29:55] literally it.

[29:57] >> Yeah, that's pretty much val as well.

[29:58] >> Yeah. Oh, just just [laughter] by cold

[30:00] but icy. Are

[30:02] >> there are there jumping mushroom puzzles

[30:05] in

[30:05] >> B? Although they're adding more

[30:06] mushrooms next week.

[30:07] >> I saw that. [laughter]

[30:10] >> Listen. Okay, man. Man, man. I will I

[30:13] will stand the mushrooms in in Natal.

[30:16] Okay. As soon as as soon as I moved like

[30:18] the thing to my bars, I made a macro for

[30:20] it and I put so everyone was like

[30:23] laughing at me because apparently you

[30:24] can just move it down to your bars. It's

[30:25] like well I couldn't. So, I made a macro

[30:27] and I I spam the button whenever I'm

[30:29] like and I'm swinging. I'm like

[30:31] Spider-Man in Natal. I run out of

[30:33] mushrooms and that's why I'm glad that

[30:35] there aren't mushrooms everywhere.

[30:38] >> It's like I'm like Spider-Man swinging

[30:39] around New York, but then suddenly I'm

[30:41] in like slow and there's no tall

[30:43] buildings. I'm boom, you know, right?

[30:46] And like so actually the news that

[30:48] they're putting new mushroom more

[30:49] mushrooms in Natal is music to my

[30:52] mushroom swinging ears, right? I

[30:54] actually quite like that. It's actually

[30:55] quite an efficient way of getting around

[30:56] the zone. I don't mind it at all. Okay.

[30:58] >> Yeah.

[30:59] >> Um Val has it's got nothing like that.

[31:01] The map's a bit smaller. It's a bit more

[31:04] compressed. Uh on the face of it tiny,

[31:07] >> there's a lot of underground bits to it.

[31:09] But if you are not of the uh kind of

[31:12] mood to explore it

[31:15] >> um then you're not going to find those

[31:16] basically cuz you know there's still a

[31:17] lot of people that never found the um

[31:20] >> uh the Dranai stuff in NATO because you

[31:23] have to go off the beaten track a little

[31:24] bit. You have to willfully be exploring

[31:26] and not just going in there and and

[31:28] looking at stuff and what have you. Um

[31:30] and Val is like that in fairness. There

[31:32] are there are nooks and crannies. You

[31:33] know it it's not a completely effortless

[31:35] zone. some thought has clearly gone into

[31:37] it and there are things about it that I

[31:38] really really like. Um there's bits

[31:41] where you're walking through it where

[31:43] you basically can't see anything like

[31:45] the snowstorm is so thick. [laughter]

[31:47] >> No, but it's actually really really

[31:49] good.

[31:49] >> Okay.

[31:50] >> It's really cool. It's like and and

[31:52] stuff comes out of the snowtorm and it's

[31:54] like and there's only there's one part

[31:55] of the map where it's like that and I

[31:57] actually think that's really good. Like

[31:58] genuinely good. And when that happens,

[32:01] my transmog changes to my snowy outfit

[32:03] >> cuz I've got I've got a transmog which

[32:06] is set to change in cold weather and it

[32:08] is actually a weather effect there. So

[32:11] it it does change my transmog and that

[32:13] makes me happy. Okay,

[32:15] >> that's nice. Sweet. So what are you

[32:16] complaining about?

[32:16] >> Well, mostly the lack of stuff to do.

[32:19] Um, so uh there is some stuff I like

[32:21] about it. There's there's very little in

[32:22] the way of like uh story going on there

[32:25] compared compared to Natal because I

[32:26] liked the world building of Nate. I

[32:29] liked uh you know and I also I've looked

[32:31] ahead on the PTR and I know that I've

[32:33] seen the Drani stuff there and it's

[32:34] really interest in a lowkey way. It's

[32:37] very interesting

[32:39] >> you know like lowkey world building just

[32:42] learning a little bit about our enemies

[32:44] and and and about the legion as well and

[32:45] and like this this old Dranoi Dranai

[32:48] people that kind of uh like you know

[32:51] were there before and stuff like that. I

[32:52] that's all really interesting to me. I

[32:54] like I like stuff like that. So, I

[32:57] approached Natal purely as a

[32:59] storytelling thing, right? I went in, I

[33:01] did the quests, I quite enjoyed them. I

[33:03] was done on my main. I went through it a

[33:04] couple of times, a couple of I was

[33:05] leveling. Well, it wasn't really worth

[33:07] it, but it was a bit more interesting

[33:08] than just chaining dungeons again,

[33:10] right? Um, so, and Val is Val is kind of

[33:13] like that, but not quite as interesting.

[33:16] >> Okay.

[33:16] >> Um, there is like a big like stronghold.

[33:20] >> Uh, and if you go in there, it's where

[33:22] the boss is as well and a couple of

[33:24] other quests. If you go in there, you'll

[33:25] get like you'll get killed. Like they'll

[33:27] just [ __ ] wipe you.

[33:28] >> Oh, nice. Good to hear that there's a

[33:30] bit of a challenge.

[33:30] >> Yeah. And well, the idea is you're not

[33:32] supposed to even engage in that. You're

[33:33] supposed to like put on a uh disguise

[33:36] and and go in to get to the boss to do

[33:38] any quests that are in there and stuff

[33:40] like that. But um yeah, so uh I went

[33:43] down there and I think the world bosses

[33:45] there are really good. I think they're

[33:46] really interesting. They've got like I

[33:48] like the imperator Pertinax, who is the

[33:50] world boss of Val.

[33:52] >> He's the guy that we saw in Everong.

[33:54] Mhm.

[33:54] >> who you know those weird uh incursions

[33:58] where it's all just like voidy animals.

[34:00] >> Yes.

[34:01] >> And you don't even fight anyone at the

[34:02] end. He's just like, "Oh, curse you for

[34:04] unvoiding my animals." Animal,

[34:10] loads of animals come to help him.

[34:12] >> And I just think that's pretty cool. I

[34:14] think like very lowkey kind of

[34:16] storytelling there. It's like, "Oh,

[34:18] that's why he just he likes collecting

[34:20] the animals." I think that's really

[34:22] cool. And like I just I just like that.

[34:23] I noticed that. I thought it was cool. I

[34:25] love what bullet sponges they are

[34:26] because it does last a very long time

[34:28] these fights. They take quite a while.

[34:30] It's like Yeah. And it's always fun to

[34:32] see people trying to go in without their

[34:33] disguises and getting their like [ __ ]

[34:37] absolutely reamed. And um I so so that's

[34:40] cool. But beyond that, I'm not

[34:42] interested in any of the dailies or

[34:43] anything or you know I I went in there

[34:46] as a story experience. I enjoyed it a

[34:50] reasonable amount for for that. Um, and

[34:53] that. So, I don't I don't hate it as

[34:55] much as everyone else does, but if I was

[34:57] looking at it from a repeatable content

[34:59] point of view,

[35:01] >> uh, yes, I would be very disappointed.

[35:04] >> So, I can understand why people are

[35:05] disappointed, you know. Um, and there's

[35:08] no uh I mean, you know, I'm getting

[35:09] drops of like weapon appearances and

[35:12] stuff like that. And it's fine. It's

[35:14] cool. And there is there is some cool uh

[35:17] like um tunnels and caves and stuff to

[35:19] discover which I always enjoyed. Um and

[35:22] yeah, there's there's a really good one

[35:24] where you take a portal and you're

[35:26] teleported to like like way deep in the

[35:29] ground and there's this really long

[35:31] winding path to get up and you're

[35:34] fighting your way up and then you get to

[35:35] the very top and you're underneath an

[35:39] ice lake

[35:40] >> and you just hit the ice.

[35:42] >> That's fun.

[35:42] >> And you can't get past it. Yeah.

[35:44] >> And you're like, "Oh, wait. What?" And

[35:47] like the exit is the way you came in.

[35:51] >> Oh.

[35:52] >> And then and then for me, half an hour

[35:54] later, I had a quest where I had to go

[35:56] in and get to the top to leave something

[35:58] like, "Oh, what? Oh, man." Um, and so,

[36:02] yeah, like, you know, once you've done

[36:04] the full story, you'll never go back.

[36:06] Uh, and and honestly, I'm fine with

[36:09] that. Like I'm not going to sit here. As

[36:12] long as I enjoyed the full story, sure,

[36:14] I'm not going to sit here going, "Oh,

[36:15] wasted opportunity that we're not

[36:17] utilizing this more because you know

[36:18] what, these zones were in Legion as

[36:20] well. And I didn't feel like it was a

[36:22] wasted opportunity that we didn't use

[36:24] them more than after Legion. And you

[36:26] know, maybe they'll pop up again

[36:27] sometime in the future. Who knows?

[36:28] >> Yeah. Who who knows? I mean,

[36:30] >> not the same zones obviously, but the

[36:31] same same planets, but you know, not the

[36:33] same maps." Yeah.

[36:34] >> I mean, what are what are they for

[36:36] really? Like what is this? What do they

[36:38] function as to get just to get some just

[36:41] to get some trans

[36:42] >> logs? There's there's some there's some

[36:43] things to collect there.

[36:44] >> Just to get some bits.

[36:46] >> Maybe you can like level a bit through

[36:48] them for with an alt.

[36:49] >> Um

[36:50] >> I mean, you know, honestly, like it's

[36:52] not a very efficient way of leveling

[36:53] alts and like eventually you you

[36:55] literally just clear the map and there's

[36:56] nothing else to do.

[36:57] >> Uh but I have quite enjoyed running also

[36:59] through there,

[37:00] >> you know. Um there is the mythic piece

[37:03] that you're doing for the four-week

[37:04] quest line. So you can get a mythic

[37:06] piece. Uh, so if you're if you're a solo

[37:08] player and you don't have any other

[37:09] access to mythic pieces, if you're not

[37:10] doing any mythic plus or anything like

[37:12] that, uh, that's good. That's quite fun.

[37:14] Um, that's quite important. I would I

[37:16] would even go as far as to say. Uh, and

[37:18] you know, like there is decor to

[37:20] collect. There's like So if that's a

[37:23] reason for you playing the game, which

[37:24] it is for a lot of people. Oh, yeah.

[37:25] >> Then there's reasons to go in there to

[37:28] get.

[37:28] >> Yeah. But it's not forcing anyone in.

[37:30] And um you know like I think we used to

[37:34] agree that was a good thing but because

[37:35] that's like the standard now for WoW I

[37:38] feel like there is actually a bit of an

[37:39] itch with WoW players to force us into

[37:42] some of this content you know um and

[37:46] this is always the way right you know we

[37:48] get sick of something in WoW and we're

[37:49] like this is universally bad and if you

[37:51] do this it is bad and if you do the

[37:54] opposite it will be good and then they

[37:56] change it and they do the opposite for a

[37:57] while and then we get bored of that and

[37:58] we're like this is bad. Do the opposite.

[38:01] And then and so there isn't actually a

[38:02] really really good and bad way of doing

[38:04] it. It's just like

[38:05] >> making sure it's varied and different

[38:08] and giving people different

[38:10] >> absolutely. I mean it feels like with

[38:13] this uh patch cadence with the like

[38:16] announcement cycle we've gotten used to

[38:18] with the release cycle, it's like a 0.07

[38:22] patch, it literally feels like the thing

[38:24] you do while you're listening to the 0.1

[38:27] announcement and then Do you know what I

[38:30] mean?

[38:30] >> Well, I can't wait to find out what

[38:31] happens in the story next week.

[38:32] >> Oh, well, right. Yeah, cuz

[38:34] >> I am on tent to hook. What's going to

[38:36] happen?

[38:37] >> It's not like I played the rest of the

[38:38] story on PTR already with on the 12.1

[38:42] PTR. It's not like it's been completely

[38:44] revealed in the reveal for 12.1 in the

[38:46] story. Not the reason [ __ ] stupid to

[38:49] keep the story for 3 weeks. It's like,

[38:51] you know, you're going to announce 12.1.

[38:54] >> Release the [ __ ] story so at least

[38:56] some people might not get spoiled,

[38:58] right? I I found that very strange cuz

[39:00] we we also took care not to really

[39:02] discuss those things in the podcast.

[39:04] >> We tried so hard not to spoiler that

[39:06] [ __ ] [laughter] You have no [ __ ]

[39:07] idea.

[39:07] >> Listen. And it's like literally Wow.

[39:09] It's just like well

[39:12] the story. Here's where we're going.

[39:16] >> You have to wait to complete the bits

[39:17] that maybe will get you there. But you

[39:19] know what? This is where this is the

[39:20] destination. I mean I don't know. I

[39:23] don't know. It's a it's a funny one.

[39:25] >> Yeah. Um, are people is that one of the

[39:28] things that you find people have been

[39:29] upset about? Tally

[39:30] >> Val?

[39:31] >> Well, not that but the story.

[39:33] >> Oh, hang on. Well, we'll get to that

[39:35] because actually it's funny you should

[39:36] mention that, but yes, the answer is

[39:37] yes.

[39:38] >> Um, but also uh just sticking with

[39:40] 12.0.7 for a second. Uh, it was our

[39:42] second week of the om nom nom nom nom

[39:44] nom nom nomon folio. Have you logged in

[39:46] and done that yet, Evie?

[39:47] >> No, because it was too hot on Wednesday.

[39:50] >> So, I'm going to

[39:52] nom nom folio. I cannot handle an extra

[39:56] increment of hotness.

[39:58] >> Totally nomfolio will sort you out cuz

[40:00] it's so cool.

[40:01] >> No, it's hot.

[40:02] >> It's so cool.

[40:03] >> No, it's No, it's the ramb

[40:07] excitement for the patch. Put it that

[40:08] way. Uh the nom nomfolio is [ __ ] bad.

[40:13] >> Okay. Incremental power.

[40:15] >> I enjoyed the quests to set it up last

[40:17] week. I thought they were fun. I thought

[40:19] they were a nice bit of world building.

[40:20] I thought it was good. Yeah. Uh,

[40:22] >> the set of quest.

[40:23] >> Obviously this week I just get sent into

[40:24] a ritual site. Like I'm not going to

[40:28] lie, quite enjoyed that as well. Quite

[40:29] enjoyed being getting sent into a ritual

[40:31] site.

[40:31] >> Why not? Did you do it the highest

[40:32] level?

[40:34] >> I got it at the highest level. I put all

[40:36] the challenges on so I could get my

[40:37] achievement for doing that while I'm

[40:38] level six with all the achievements.

[40:40] I've done that achievement for both of

[40:41] them now. So I took it as a chance to do

[40:43] that, right? And you know, it took me 10

[40:45] minutes. Wham bam. Thank you, ma'am.

[40:51] uh sers or madams. Um, and uh, I went

[40:55] back and you know, look, okay, the first

[40:59] week I got the void thing or the flame

[41:03] thing. And everyone says take the flame

[41:06] thing cuz it does marginally more. And

[41:08] even though it hasn't got a visual

[41:09] effect that the void one has, the void

[41:11] effect is pretty cool. The the flame one

[41:13] doesn't have a visual effect, which me

[41:16] right off, man. So weird. And it's like,

[41:18] okay, fine. And you know, it does sub 1%

[41:22] of your damage and healing. It's like

[41:25] literally kind of honestly like I

[41:28] there's basically anything you could do.

[41:31] Having a glass of water on the desk with

[41:33] you to make sure you stay hydrated is

[41:36] going to improve your healing and damage

[41:37] more than the Omnium Folio. So I was

[41:40] like okay well

[41:42] you know, maybe maybe the second week

[41:44] will make it a little bit more

[41:45] impactful.

[41:48] No,

[41:48] >> doesn't [ __ ] It's still

[41:50] >> You're not going to feel it.

[41:51] >> The [ __ ] It's incremental.

[41:53] >> It's not incremental. It's just [ __ ]

[41:56] >> It doesn't do anything.

[41:58] >> No, it doesn't do anything.

[41:59] >> It doesn't do anything at the end of 5

[42:02] weeks.

[42:03] >> No, I don't think it will.

[42:04] >> The increment will be slightly bigger.

[42:06] >> Yeah.

[42:06] >> Look, currently, I don't think it's ever

[42:10] going to get to 1% different healing

[42:12] damage. I I don't think it is.

[42:14] >> I don't think What's 0.4%* 4% times two.

[42:18] >> Yeah.

[42:18] >> Not 1% is it?

[42:19] >> No.

[42:20] >> Like

[42:20] >> no.

[42:22] >> Do you know what I mean? It I don't I

[42:24] don't THINK IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. And

[42:26] it's like, okay, I get that you wanted

[42:28] to make it in offensive and I approve of

[42:30] that. I think that's great. But I This

[42:33] sucks.

[42:35] I don't get it.

[42:37] >> It just feels silly.

[42:39] >> I feel a bit silly for doing it. It's

[42:42] like it's like when your grand gives you

[42:44] like 10 p to get yourself an ice cream.

[42:47] You're like, "Oh, thanks grand. That'll

[42:49] really help if I put it in a trust fund.

[42:51] Maybe I'll have enough for half an ice

[42:52] cream in 30 years. Thanks, Grand.

[42:55] [laughter] Jesus Christ." That that's

[42:57] what it is. The Omnonfolio is is like is

[43:00] your grand giving you 10 p and tell

[43:02] telling you to get some something nice,

[43:05] >> you know? It's like I mean, thanks, I

[43:07] guess, and I don't want to offend you,

[43:08] but that is literally [ __ ] useless.

[43:10] Maybe it's going to be like exponential

[43:12] power increase.

[43:13] >> What do you mean?

[43:13] >> Like literally maybe by by you know week

[43:16] five the line will go like this rather

[43:18] than

[43:18] >> Well, I don't see how cuz I've looked

[43:20] through the other options.

[43:22] >> And I think I just don't think that's

[43:23] going to happen.

[43:24] >> I know. People are saying the stat proc

[43:26] on week four is actually very big.

[43:27] Nearly equivalent to a flask.

[43:30] >> I don't believe I just don't believe I

[43:32] just don't believe. Yeah, it's not

[43:33] incremental. It's exponential power.

[43:35] >> Yeah. I just I feel it. I will believe

[43:38] it when I see it cuz at the moment it's

[43:40] 4% of my healing and damage.

[43:43] >> Okay. So, I mean, we'll see.

[43:46] >> Yeah.

[43:46] >> Right.

[43:47] >> And and the options this week were like,

[43:51] >> yeah,

[43:54] >> and and I misread the quest and I

[43:57] started doing void incursions before I

[43:59] went to the ritual site. I did one whole

[44:02] void. It took like 15 seconds of my

[44:06] life. I'm so sorry.

[44:07] >> And I was in Everong and had to fly.

[44:09] Then I had to fly to Zulan to do the

[44:11] thing.

[44:12] >> Oh my god. I'm so angry with that.

[44:15] >> I'm so sorry.

[44:15] >> However,

[44:16] >> however,

[44:16] >> just so I'm not like a complete moaning

[44:18] mini just so I'm just like not uh on one

[44:21] today, I feel it only fair to point out

[44:23] something that I really really enjoyed.

[44:27] >> Okay.

[44:28] >> Uh this week, which was the Midfire

[44:30] Festival, Midsummer Fire Festival. I am

[44:34] not a festival guy

[44:35] >> in Minecraft. I'm not a holiday guy.

[44:38] Particularly not Hallow's End. I hate

[44:40] that [ __ ]

[44:41] >> Look, I'm not American, okay?

[44:44] >> Oh, I mean, you know, I'm married to an

[44:46] American. Both my kids are American, you

[44:48] know, uh although not culturally very

[44:50] American, but we hammer into them that

[44:52] they're American. They love it. They

[44:54] love being Oh my god, they do. They tell

[44:56] anyone and everyone. Yeah, exactly. Um,

[44:59] and you know, but I so I just don't get

[45:02] as excited about Halloween as

[45:08] Americans do. Americans love Halloween.

[45:10] >> They do. They love

[45:13] [snorts]

[45:14] >> I'm joking. But we're trying to book a

[45:16] holiday in like uh New England in in uh

[45:19] the autumn to go to a wedding and all

[45:21] the hotels are full up cuz people go to

[45:23] like Salem Salem for [ __ ] Halloween

[45:26] in America. Can you imagine going on a

[45:28] trip for Halloween in the UK? I can't

[45:31] imagine it. It couldn't be me. What?

[45:34] >> It's also hard cuz it's autumn. It's

[45:35] back to school season. It's everyone

[45:37] going to all the posh colleges in New

[45:39] England.

[45:40] >> Yeah. No, I get it. I get it.

[45:41] >> And their parents.

[45:42] >> So, I'm not I'm not a big festival guy.

[45:43] It's never something I've really done in

[45:45] in WoW before. Uh but everyone was

[45:48] telling me that this Midfire Midsummer

[45:50] Fire Festival was pretty good. So, I was

[45:52] like, "Okay, well, let's give it a go."

[45:53] And I can confirm it's brilliant.

[45:55] >> Is it good? It's I've heard really good

[45:58] feedback about it.

[45:59] >> I found it delightful. It's very very

[46:01] simple the new stuff cuz I don't give a

[46:02] [ __ ] about the other stuff. I went in

[46:04] and they were like, "Yo, one thing we do

[46:07] in mid midsummer is we we light uh light

[46:11] blossoms, right? And they're in the air.

[46:12] Can you just go and set some on fire?"

[46:14] And you like fly around. You set them on

[46:15] fire over Silver Moon, which is where I

[46:17] picked up the quest. And they're like,

[46:18] "Oh, nice one. Go and talk to someone in

[46:20] in Oramar." because I did it on my uh

[46:24] tour and shaman which I thought would be

[46:25] very fitting right

[46:27] >> and go to Aramar pick up a quest go and

[46:30] so I did that and it's great like they

[46:33] send you on two tours of Kalumor one

[46:36] around northern Calendar one around uh

[46:38] southern Candle and there's like a a

[46:40] wind tunnel kind of thing that you can

[46:42] join that takes you around and you you

[46:45] go through like all the zones of

[46:48] Northern and Southern Calendar and as

[46:50] you do it.

[46:52] A talking head is there telling you a

[46:54] story.

[46:55] >> You were enjoying it so much. I

[46:56] literally came up here and was like,

[46:58] "Uh, Tally, I got Let's talk about" And

[47:00] you were like, "Woman, silence." I

[47:02] didn't say that.

[47:03] >> I'm doing No, you didn't. You would

[47:04] never say

[47:05] >> You can't say that [ __ ] on the internet

[47:06] because before you know it, Ben Ramblade

[47:08] were making posts about

[47:09] >> someone. Yeah, exactly. No, no.

[47:11] Obviously, that is that was an

[47:12] exaggeration, but Ty was like, he was

[47:15] locked in. He's like, "Yeah, yeah, babe.

[47:16] Sorry. I'm I'm literally listening to

[47:18] you for quite a while." I I had to do

[47:20] that thing where I was like, I'm really

[47:22] sorry. I'm actually trying to [laughter]

[47:23] listen to this because like I wasn't

[47:25] look he's just flying around through

[47:27] some flat. Surely I can surely

[47:29] [laughter]

[47:30] >> I wasn't just playing it. I was also

[47:31] recording it for footage and you can't

[47:33] just stop and stuff like that and I

[47:34] didn't want to miss anything. And also

[47:37] by that stage I was on the fourth tour

[47:39] cuz I'd gone to Eastern Kingdoms as well

[47:41] and I was on the last tour and I was

[47:42] finding the Scottish dwarf lady quite

[47:44] difficult to understand.

[47:47] And also I was getting very hot and also

[47:50] like I at that stage I was finding it

[47:52] quite hard because what they do is you

[47:53] in the wind tunnel and it takes you to a

[47:54] new bit and the first story this the

[47:57] northern calendar one is the best one.

[47:59] It's telling the story of uh a

[48:01] pilgrimage that that a bunch of torren

[48:03] took back in the day to try and and

[48:06] where where the whole kind of like the

[48:07] burning of the the blossoms thing came

[48:09] from and they they have to go through

[48:11] night elf lands. So, uh, they they, you

[48:14] know, get escorted through by the night

[48:16] elves and it's really great and there's

[48:18] a really great sense of you follow it to

[48:21] a new area and then there's pebbles to

[48:23] kind of burn in the new area just flying

[48:25] through them and then you follow the

[48:26] wind tunnel to another area and the

[48:28] story continues and the guy

[48:30] >> that's just a nice way to absorb a bit

[48:32] of I like that

[48:34] >> well you know my favorite thing in MMOs

[48:36] which I think is the hardest thing to do

[48:38] and I still look at that brilliant bit

[48:39] in uh Heavenswood uh that does it I

[48:42] think the best, but there have been bits

[48:44] in WoW that have done it really well,

[48:45] like in um the Anar and Planes leveling

[48:48] in Dragon Flight where

[48:50] >> you get a journey that you're going on

[48:52] with people and it's almost an

[48:54] impossible thing to do in MMOs. So, I

[48:56] really notice when it's done well cuz I

[48:58] I I I feel like going on a journey with

[49:00] a little group of people and like we're

[49:03] traveling through this land and now

[49:04] we're settling down here for a second,

[49:05] now we're traveling through this land

[49:07] and like it's it's almost impossible in

[49:09] a a modern MMO despite it being a staple

[49:11] of fantasy, right? And so, I just I love

[49:13] it when they do manage to pull that off

[49:15] and and the the the opening kind of

[49:18] quests in in the new Mid Midsummer Fire

[49:21] Festival really did that. You know, it

[49:23] took like 10 minutes to do the first

[49:26] one. But there was a story of like I was

[49:27] following in the steps of this this

[49:29] pilgrimage, this kind of like, you know,

[49:31] this journey that these tour went on and

[49:33] like albe it at a greatly advanced pace.

[49:36] I was going on it as well and it felt

[49:38] really really good. It felt awesome. And

[49:40] then they send you on in Southern

[49:41] Calendar. It's a bit more desperate. And

[49:42] then the Eastern Kingdoms ones aren't so

[49:44] good because you're basically just like,

[49:47] >> you know, you go on a tour and they're

[49:49] telling you about the different places

[49:50] and it's fine and and what have you. But

[49:52] um it's it's great and it's really

[49:54] lovely and there's this like excellent

[49:56] Midsummer Fire Festival music playing

[49:59] the whole time uh no matter what zone

[50:01] you're in. So there's this real kind of

[50:03] consistency to it and you know you got

[50:05] like this guy telling a story the whole

[50:07] time. Uh yeah, Fiona uh in in Cataclysm

[50:10] Quest is a really good example of it

[50:11] too. Yeah, really really well. And I I

[50:13] love it whenever they do that. Um so uh

[50:15] yeah, I was really really happy. And you

[50:17] get a fair lot of like tokens for it as

[50:19] well, which made me think like, oh,

[50:21] maybe I should do some of these dailies

[50:22] and get some more tokens and buy cool

[50:24] stuff and stuff. So, like absolute

[50:26] triumph, you know, when when uh the road

[50:30] map said that they were doing holiday

[50:31] revamps, I think most of us kind of had

[50:35] very low expectations.

[50:37] You know, thought that maybe they just

[50:39] add some new things to the vendors and

[50:40] stuff like that. Uh, but in fairness

[50:42] with Lovers in the Air and Midsummer

[50:44] Fire now, they absolutely knocked them

[50:46] out of the park. Like really, really

[50:48] good stuff. I can't wait to [laughter]

[50:49] do that. Highly recommend it. And, you

[50:50] know, I think the whole thing took me

[50:52] maybe half an hour, you know. Um, and I

[50:55] did get lost from a couple of times in

[50:57] the wind tunnels in Eastern Kingdoms.

[50:58] So, um, I I thought it was really really

[51:00] good. A general consensus is that it's

[51:02] really really good. Um, so yeah, these

[51:04] are new Midsummer Fire Festival quests

[51:07] and they're really really great. So

[51:09] despite me [ __ ] on Val, I'm only

[51:10] half [ __ ] on Val to be honest as

[51:12] well because I think if you if you play

[51:13] it like I play it, it is a lot more

[51:16] enjoyable. You just go and do quests and

[51:18] treat it as a story experience, like a

[51:19] one-off story scenario or something.

[51:21] It's kind of good. Uh but I I agree that

[51:23] as repeatable content, it's not not

[51:25] terrific.

[51:26] >> Um so yeah, and and Midsummer Fire

[51:29] really good. Not much else happening in

[51:32] in 12.0.7 at the moment, though. Not

[51:34] much else happening in the live game.

[51:36] No, not particularly

[51:38] >> except Sporefall came out as well. We

[51:40] did get a chance to go to Sporefall and

[51:42] we did uh defeat Sporefall in heroic

[51:44] after two pulls and mythic after quite a

[51:46] few more pools than that. Uh it took us

[51:47] until Sunday to defeat Sporeful Mythic

[51:49] and dude, I got like three drops.

[51:52] >> Yeah,

[51:53] >> I got like use those bonus rolls.

[51:54] >> I got a loot drop. I got the ring just

[51:57] from loot.

[51:57] >> Yeah.

[51:58] >> Uh and then I got like I think I got

[52:01] like uh someone gave me the neck uh

[52:04] which was really nice of them. That's so

[52:05] nice.

[52:06] >> I think Rico did.

[52:07] >> Um, and then uh in my vault I got the

[52:10] shoes.

[52:11] >> Sweet.

[52:11] >> And I Oh, and also I I think I bonus

[52:13] rolled the trinket.

[52:15] >> Wow.

[52:15] >> So I actually got, you know, overall for

[52:17] killing mythic sporefall this week, I

[52:19] got I got four pieces of awesome gear or

[52:23] 298 gear. So my item is 292 right now.

[52:26] >> That's pretty good, isn't it?

[52:27] >> I'm still like in the 270s.

[52:29] >> Yeah, I know. It's like it's pretty

[52:30] good. And like I mean the shoes and the

[52:32] chest is really I'm after the chest now.

[52:34] That's what I really want.

[52:35] >> Um, and then I can then I can uh

[52:37] catalyst that as well.

[52:39] >> And um and then I'll be then I'll be

[52:41] running I can break myself some 17s

[52:43] >> when my baby starts crying. [laughter]

[52:47] >> Are you not impressed by my hall of

[52:48] sporefall gear?

[52:50] >> I

[52:50] >> I'm allowed to break things.

[52:52] >> Exactly. I'm doing you a favor by even

[52:54] being in this group, fam. [laughter]

[52:56] >> Um and I've been and I've been running

[52:58] uh like mythic plus on my on my paladin

[53:00] tank as well. I'm really enjoying that.

[53:03] Uh, and I I am only able to do that

[53:06] because of the midnight feature of

[53:08] highlighting the mobs as a as a route

[53:10] through.

[53:11] >> I love that. I love that.

[53:12] >> I literally wouldn't even be attempting

[53:13] it if it wasn't for that. But I I kind

[53:15] of basically know the dungeons anyway. I

[53:18] have a basic knowledge of some of the

[53:19] pools and stuff just from healing them

[53:21] up to a higher level. So, I go into the

[53:23] tank, I have no idea what I'm doing. I

[53:24] don't tell anyone that obviously. And I

[53:26] just I just pull [ __ ] and I take it

[53:27] pretty slow. And people get a bit

[53:29] annoyed with me because I'm taking it

[53:30] slow sometimes, but I'm like,

[53:32] >> like,

[53:33] >> yeah,

[53:33] >> [ __ ] deal, mate.

[53:34] >> Yeah,

[53:35] >> that's not very relaxed of you, is it?

[53:36] >> That's not very Yeah. [laughter]

[53:39] >> Um, so

[53:41] like I'm having a good time in WoW at

[53:43] the moment. I've uh, you know, used up

[53:46] all my extra 100 decor limit.

[53:49] >> Nice.

[53:50] >> Uh, on the outside. Have you had a

[53:51] chance to go through that yet?

[53:52] >> I've gone I've gone through it. I'm

[53:54] really really excited for 12.1 because

[53:57] we're receiving the dable staircases and

[54:00] just dable squares.

[54:02] >> Have you seen the dable staircase? Have

[54:04] you seen the staircases on the PTR?

[54:06] >> Oh, no.

[54:06] >> They're tiny.

[54:08] >> THEY'RE LIKE INSECT SIZE. NO, NO, NO.

[54:10] But that's a that's a bug. They'll

[54:11] They'll get bigger. People were having a

[54:14] little bit of a panic attack when they

[54:15] started placing them and even blown up

[54:17] to like 200%. They're basically like

[54:19] little kid stairs that you might get in

[54:21] in a Wendy house.

[54:22] >> [laughter]

[54:22] >> It was really hilarious.

[54:23] >> Have you seen the troll mural that you

[54:25] can get in the Mr. GM post?

[54:27] >> I did see Mr. GM post about it. I I've

[54:29] literally just been looking around the

[54:30] PTR. There's actually three murals you

[54:33] can get. Um, and they are really really

[54:36] good. One actually drops from Oollettech

[54:38] and holy [ __ ] that is the kind of [ __ ]

[54:41] I want to see dropping from Final

[54:42] Bosses. It's like this stone. Ooch

[54:46] absolutely porning Mithrax like or Kith

[54:49] I should say. absolutely porning Kith

[54:51] just like Kith is like oh no Mithrax is

[54:53] so amazing and Mithrax is like yeah [ __ ]

[54:55] sorry is like yeah I [ __ ] am like no

[54:59] please don't HURT ME AND LIKE WELL I I

[55:02] won't hurt you but I can't speak for my

[55:03] other fourheads

[55:05] it's so good like they are so awesome

[55:07] yeah that is the good [ __ ]

[55:09] >> that is really good and I love it's so

[55:10] funny how big they are in the PTR we'll

[55:12] say we'll see if that lasts

[55:13] >> are they really big oh

[55:15] >> oh I didn't try placing them that's

[55:17] >> No they're yeah Mr. GM did a little

[55:19] tweet about it at like a at just normal

[55:20] 100% size. It is like literally bigger

[55:22] than your house. I would say, okay, I do

[55:25] have a bit of player housing feedback. I

[55:27] think the scale is out of control. And

[55:30] when I say that, I mean like the

[55:31] baseline of things. I feel like player

[55:33] houses are simply too big.

[55:36] >> Well, we're getting large player uh in

[55:37] PTR. We're getting large. So, suck it.

[55:39] Basically,

[55:40] >> I think scalewise, like literally in

[55:42] relation to your character, like you

[55:45] know, if you have if you have a normal

[55:47] size house or whatever, like you know, a

[55:49] floor or level, you know, like first

[55:53] floor, second floor, whatever you want

[55:55] to call it, like it they feel insanely

[55:59] high. Like I love a good high ceiling.

[56:01] And interiors, I think, are fine. I

[56:02] think the exterior I and I struggle with

[56:05] this every time I go and I start

[56:06] decorating things and I make things a

[56:08] little bigger cuz I want them to be more

[56:09] visible from further away and stuff, but

[56:11] I feel like the the general scale in

[56:13] relation to your player character is

[56:16] like is a bit off.

[56:17] >> I get you too.

[56:20] >> I actually agree. And it's I was

[56:22] thinking about this the other day

[56:22] actually because it's kind of

[56:23] impossible, isn't it? You've got

[56:25] >> you've got sizes of player

[56:30] playable races going from Gnome and

[56:34] >> all the way up to Torin and Dranai.

[56:35] >> Yeah, maybe that's maybe that's it.

[56:37] Maybe that's kind of take all of that

[56:38] into account.

[56:40] >> Generally in WoW stuff reads better if

[56:44] it's a bit oversized anyway, right? So

[56:46] it's like my kitchen reads perfectly,

[56:48] but actually if you stand my character

[56:50] next to the surface, it's like up to her

[56:51] nose right?

[56:52] >> Yeah. It's not quite.

[56:53] >> It still looks correct. It still looks

[56:55] more correct than if it was actually the

[56:56] proper size. Right.

[56:57] >> Exactly. There's something about that

[56:59] and and I've noticed that a lot and

[57:01] particularly with like building and like

[57:02] doing exteriors and stuff and I'm kind

[57:04] of flying around and sometimes I turn my

[57:05] character off and then you know the

[57:07] scale when you actually place your

[57:09] character there is is I don't you know I

[57:12] don't think

[57:12] >> it's kind of impossible and you have to

[57:14] kind of like

[57:15] >> going you have to either build it for

[57:17] one specific size character or you have

[57:19] to leave it kind of open and I mean the

[57:23] talking about high ceilings and stuff

[57:24] the problem player housing has always

[57:26] been to bring the ceilings in. Yeah.

[57:27] Yeah.

[57:30] Yeah. Absolutely. That's always been the

[57:31] key. Um those those I always say like

[57:35] >> the rooms that you add should not

[57:37] actually be rooms. You should they are

[57:39] spaces to put rooms in.

[57:41] >> You put dividers in of course. Yeah.

[57:42] Yeah. That's that is the secret.

[57:44] >> But but I do agree with that.

[57:45] [clears throat] And um I' I've enjoyed

[57:47] placing uh like windows and stuff on my

[57:50] treehouse on the outside like into the

[57:52] tree trunk of the treehouse and stuff

[57:53] like that. That's been like super fun

[57:55] for me. I haven't yet decor

[58:05] but I'm like yeah but all the circular

[58:07] rugs are already in place.

[58:08] I know. I know. I'm like,

[58:11] >> "Yeah,

[58:12] so much time placing the rugs is like my

[58:14] least favorite thing in the world. I've

[58:16] done a lot." Right. So, I know, man. Uh

[58:19] >> Yeah. Yeah.

[58:20] >> Um Yeah.

[58:21] >> But yeah, not a real, you know, issue,

[58:23] but it's

[58:24] >> since you brought us onto the PTR,

[58:26] >> let's talk about some of the things that

[58:27] have upset people. That is our vague

[58:29] theme this week. Let's talk about some

[58:30] of the things that have upset people on

[58:31] the PTR.

[58:33] >> And I think it's only right that we put

[58:35] a spoiler warning up here.

[58:36] >> Yes. Uh, so if you are listening on your

[58:39] headphones, uh, maybe when Evie is

[58:41] putting, um, this up on your preferred

[58:44] podcast listening platform, maybe Evie

[58:46] could really kindly put a time stamp. I

[58:48] will

[58:49] >> uh, for when these spoilers end.

[58:51] >> I will. Um,

[58:51] >> I'll put them on YouTube and I'll put

[58:53] them on the audio version in the

[58:54] description. Yeah, that' be that would

[58:55] be really really good. Um, I will do

[58:57] that for you. If you are watching along,

[58:59] then uh, the spoiler bot is up. It's a

[59:01] Bluebot spoiler right now,

[59:03] >> but I mean technically this is Blue Bot.

[59:05] It's on the PTR. All right, it's stuff

[59:06] that people are seeing. So, it's not

[59:07] data mind or anything like that. I'm not

[59:09] talking about data mining today.

[59:11] >> Uh, but you know, you can come back when

[59:13] you see this disappear. You can unmute

[59:15] us when you see this disappear. I will

[59:17] not be showing any pictures on the

[59:18] screen. So, you're safe to kind of like

[59:21] have this on screen and see when it

[59:22] disappears. Okay.

[59:23] >> Mhm.

[59:24] >> Right. So, remember we were talking last

[59:26] week about Zuljan and how we were hoping

[59:28] he would survive and it didn't look like

[59:29] he did survive and uh but you know,

[59:31] we're still sniffing some some copium on

[59:33] that.

[59:33] >> Yeah. There was actually some more

[59:35] copium in the week.

[59:36] >> I did see. I did see. This is actually

[59:38] really exciting. Well, wait. Maybe tell

[59:40] you maybe you want to set the tone for

[59:42] where we are.

[59:43] >> Okay. So, I got through many phases with

[59:46] with Zuljan. Okay. Uh when I played the

[59:49] story line, the leveling story line for

[59:51] um Zulan on the PTR, it it was very

[59:54] clear to me. I thought that he was

[59:56] getting villain batted and that he was

[59:58] going to be set up to be a villain in uh

[1:00:01] well 12.1.

[1:00:02] >> Mhm. A lot of people disagreed with me

[1:00:04] and they're like, "No, no, no, no. He's

[1:00:06] far more nuanced than that." And and and

[1:00:08] to be fair, I I kind of came over. And I

[1:00:11] never, actually, I'm going to disagree.

[1:00:12] I never thought he was more nuanced than

[1:00:14] that, but I I I started joining in the

[1:00:18] general hope that Zuljan would

[1:00:23] come out the other side of his villain

[1:00:24] batting,

[1:00:26] >> you know, having learned something and

[1:00:28] progressed as a character and being

[1:00:29] accepted back into the fold rather than

[1:00:30] us just killing him. Then some very

[1:00:33] exciting stuff came through uh of models

[1:00:36] of Zuljan clearly having been turned

[1:00:39] into a snake

[1:00:41] >> at some point. And I was like, well,

[1:00:42] that's actually [ __ ] awesome. That's

[1:00:44] actually potentially a master stroke.

[1:00:46] And I I really loved the idea that

[1:00:50] Zuljan, whose main fault, his main flaw,

[1:00:53] his main characteristic basically is

[1:00:56] that he's a he's a an Armani

[1:00:59] nationalist. Okay, he's a bit racist.

[1:01:02] He's an Armani supremacist. He believes

[1:01:05] that the Armani should be ruling the

[1:01:06] whole world and he's willing to do

[1:01:09] whatever, you know,

[1:01:12] is necessary to make that happen. He

[1:01:14] talks about, you know, not just in

[1:01:16] theory, the Armani rule in the world. He

[1:01:18] talks about wanting to make that happen

[1:01:19] and stuff like that. And and, you know,

[1:01:21] he clearly loves his sister. He's very

[1:01:22] caring towards his uncle and there's

[1:01:24] like very good things about him as well.

[1:01:26] Uh, but you know, being being a a

[1:01:29] supremacist is a bad thing.

[1:01:31] >> I think that's a bit strong for him. I

[1:01:33] think he just wants his people to

[1:01:34] thrive.

[1:01:36] >> I don't get the impression that he's

[1:01:37] like out for world domination.

[1:01:39] >> Well, he says it and and like um so and

[1:01:41] that's the thing, right? And I think

[1:01:42] that's quite interesting because that

[1:01:44] that's a way that and I don't think he's

[1:01:45] really doing it intentionally, but that

[1:01:47] is a way that some

[1:01:48] >> white supremacists, whatever,

[1:01:50] >> they they make reasonable arguments

[1:01:53] like, well, I just don't want us to be

[1:01:55] relying on the lower.

[1:01:57] >> Okay. So, I would like to find a way for

[1:02:00] us to be very strong and great again on

[1:02:04] our own. Right? And so, like I don't I

[1:02:07] agree with you. I don't think Zujan is

[1:02:08] doing that intentionally, but he does

[1:02:11] also talk explicitly about taking over

[1:02:13] the whole of the, you know, northern

[1:02:15] eastern kingdom. Does he?

[1:02:16] >> Yes. Yeah.

[1:02:17] >> I must have miss I must have missed

[1:02:19] those things,

[1:02:19] >> you know. But but like I think

[1:02:21] interesting character and I like him and

[1:02:24] the idea of him turning into a snake

[1:02:25] would actually be a really good way of

[1:02:26] dealing with that because what happens

[1:02:28] to uh an Armani nationalist, an Armani

[1:02:33] supremacist, like a character who

[1:02:35] defines himself almost entirely on his

[1:02:38] race.

[1:02:40] >> What happens to that person when they're

[1:02:42] not an Armani anymore? What happens to

[1:02:43] that person when through their own

[1:02:45] actions they are turned into something

[1:02:47] else? and like you know he has that to

[1:02:50] grapple with. He's like well if this

[1:02:52] happened to someone else I wouldn't

[1:02:53] accept them as being an Armani anymore

[1:02:55] but I I do consider myself an Armani

[1:02:58] >> and I believe I am an Armani

[1:03:01] >> but I wouldn't say that I am. So

[1:03:04] >> that's going to have to make me look at

[1:03:06] my own beliefs and my own kind of like

[1:03:09] uh kind of belief structure and it could

[1:03:11] be a really awesome learning thing for

[1:03:13] him you know because he's not an Armani

[1:03:15] anymore but he is. So what does that

[1:03:17] make him?

[1:03:18] >> You know, where does he belong now?

[1:03:19] >> Yeah, exactly. And that's actually

[1:03:22] that's actually a really awesome

[1:03:23] potential storytelling device quite

[1:03:26] apart from the fact that now you have a

[1:03:29] major Armani law character who's also

[1:03:31] just a snake and that would just be

[1:03:32] [ __ ] cool and objectively hilarious.

[1:03:35] So I was like a million% into this idea

[1:03:37] which I basically just made up and this

[1:03:38] is why you got to be careful with

[1:03:39] speculation, right? Is because you nine

[1:03:43] times out of 10 you're going to be upset

[1:03:44] because your speculation doesn't come

[1:03:45] true. And then you're like left with,

[1:03:47] well, is the story really bad and I

[1:03:50] actually upset because the story is bad

[1:03:52] or am I upset because my speculation

[1:03:54] that I was so attached to didn't happen,

[1:03:55] right?

[1:03:56] >> Um, and you can make a case that's

[1:03:58] what's happening here because no, that

[1:03:59] is not what's happening.

[1:04:00] >> It seems through every kind of B kind of

[1:04:03] everything we've got on the PTR at this

[1:04:06] stage suggests that he is in fact dead.

[1:04:08] >> I Okay, so again, I I I don't I don't

[1:04:11] know if I completely get that impression

[1:04:13] either. you get you get this dialogue

[1:04:14] with uh uh Zuljara and Leaddin and

[1:04:20] they're like, "Oh, you know, I wish we

[1:04:21] could have helped him." You know, it's

[1:04:23] like they're like he I wish we could

[1:04:25] have done this for him. There's no

[1:04:27] explicit like he is dead or gone. Like

[1:04:31] he could definitely think about he's

[1:04:34] dead. You're right. I mean, I guess

[1:04:36] Blizz is PTR. There's still time. I know

[1:04:39] this [ __ ] is basically impossible to

[1:04:40] change, especially on this shorter a

[1:04:42] time frame, but did you think my idea

[1:04:44] was good? Make it happen. It's what if

[1:04:46] you changed it from what you've got

[1:04:48] right now to what I've explained,

[1:04:50] everyone would like it more. I'm just

[1:04:51] saying like it's what people want. And I

[1:04:53] think I think people are just upset

[1:04:54] because um

[1:04:56] >> I I Yeah, I also think

[1:04:58] >> interesting. He's a fun character. He's

[1:04:59] a really good I I love Zulujan and I

[1:05:01] think he's a really good character and I

[1:05:03] would be upset to see him go for a

[1:05:04] number of reasons, but I also don't

[1:05:06] again maybe I this is just my my

[1:05:09] reading. I don't I don't take him as

[1:05:11] like a I think he has very intense

[1:05:14] ideals and he really believes in like

[1:05:17] the preservation of the Ammani and I

[1:05:19] don't but I you know and he thin line to

[1:05:22] walk though.

[1:05:22] >> Yeah. No, I know but I just don't think

[1:05:24] he has to be read that way. Like I you

[1:05:25] know I think especially particularly

[1:05:27] being a troll like I think Blizz like

[1:05:30] the writing in the game is really

[1:05:32] explicit about how the Ammani have

[1:05:34] struggled to maintain themselves and

[1:05:36] their identity. Like I don't I don't see

[1:05:39] him as a like nationalism is bad

[1:05:42] character. I see him as a I'm I'm

[1:05:44] struggling to preserve like what we have

[1:05:46] left. That's how that's how I you know

[1:05:49] that's how Zuljan comes across to me.

[1:05:51] And um sure like the Ammani people like

[1:05:54] have conquered others and stuff but like

[1:05:56] the Ammani are being like very I think

[1:05:58] explicitly positioned as like you know

[1:06:01] they're living among the ruins of of

[1:06:03] their former empire right uh but you

[1:06:06] know they they want to find the good way

[1:06:09] forward for like all of their people and

[1:06:10] it's yeah Zuljara is the like we need to

[1:06:14] do this right we need to maybe have the

[1:06:16] help of the lowera it's debatable and

[1:06:19] Zjan is just like um you know uh some

[1:06:22] people might die along the way

[1:06:24] [laughter]

[1:06:25] uh you know and and so I uh I you know I

[1:06:29] don't know I I I don't read him as quite

[1:06:31] quite as strongly in that sense and I

[1:06:33] and I can see I I understand why people

[1:06:36] um are getting really upset about him

[1:06:38] being lost because yeah he's like a a

[1:06:41] complex

[1:06:42] like troll character

[1:06:44] >> I I agree with unfortunately like

[1:06:47] >> you he does I I wish he didn't have to

[1:06:50] be killed off. I really wish Yeah, me

[1:06:51] too.

[1:06:51] >> I I don't I don't think the the answers

[1:06:53] for him to die. And I think I completely

[1:06:55] understand why people get upset because

[1:06:57] they're like, I here we have a really

[1:06:59] good horde character. He's complicated.

[1:07:01] He's not like a 100% good guy.

[1:07:04] >> Well, he's not a horde character cuz

[1:07:05] he's a man, but

[1:07:06] >> Yeah. Yeah. No, sorry. A troll

[1:07:08] character. And uh you know,

[1:07:11] does he have to die? Right. Like it's uh

[1:07:14] you know so I I totally get people being

[1:07:16] upset and it feels it feels a bit oh

[1:07:18] this is my favorite my favorite

[1:07:20] Britishism feels a bit cathanded to me

[1:07:23] like it's the handling of him feels

[1:07:25] candly

[1:07:27] agree uh mostly because it's I I feel

[1:07:29] like it's pretty much the least

[1:07:30] interesting thing you could have done

[1:07:31] with him

[1:07:32] >> and like

[1:07:33] >> exactly exactly like

[1:07:35] >> and I completely agree I completely I

[1:07:36] agree with literally every sentiment

[1:07:38] you're raising I agree with everything

[1:07:39] you're saying. I want make that very

[1:07:40] clear. The only thing I disagree with is

[1:07:42] that I I think the story in the story he

[1:07:46] has been a bit more explicitly Armani

[1:07:49] supremacist as well. And I I I I think I

[1:07:52] think it has

[1:07:53] >> I think the basis of his his like

[1:07:55] motivations and feelings come from

[1:07:58] everything you're saying. I completely

[1:07:59] agree with that. But I think I think the

[1:08:01] story has more explicitly shown him

[1:08:04] progressing too far along that path into

[1:08:06] the other stuff as well, you know. Um,

[1:08:08] and I I think that's you've played like

[1:08:10] >> I think Well, no, forget PT. I think

[1:08:11] that's been there since Questing.

[1:08:12] >> Oh, yeah. And and and I I I think that

[1:08:15] has been something that the story, but

[1:08:16] that's a very small difference opinion.

[1:08:18] That's a meaningless difference of

[1:08:21] opinion really everything you're saying.

[1:08:23] >> I was one over because he's so hostile

[1:08:25] to you when you talk to him in the

[1:08:27] beginning and then he's like, "Hey,

[1:08:29] >> yeah,

[1:08:30] >> that's my friend over there." You know,

[1:08:32] he absolutely nags me.

[1:08:33] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He he [laughter]

[1:08:34] actually, you know, he's so um he's so

[1:08:37] so troll Twitter was saying Tally is

[1:08:40] happy with 12.1 and Zulujan because

[1:08:43] being British he loves colonization.

[1:08:45] Like what the [ __ ] I when you say troll

[1:08:47] Twitter, I know exactly who you're

[1:08:47] talking about. You're talking about like

[1:08:48] the 10 people I have banned on Twitter,

[1:08:50] right? And it's like

[1:08:52] >> was there anything from last week when

[1:08:54] we were talking about this that

[1:08:55] suggested I was happy with Zjang getting

[1:08:57] killed off?

[1:08:58] >> No, I think I think like people just go

[1:09:00] on the internet and lie. just what the

[1:09:03] internet this show like from before 12.1

[1:09:06] was even announced or even thought of

[1:09:08] where there's a big picture of Dan

[1:09:10] saying leave him alone is the headline

[1:09:12] you know like people just lie about [ __ ]

[1:09:15] we say on this show it's absolutely wild

[1:09:16] >> I think people just need an outlet

[1:09:18] because they're upset cuz he's

[1:09:20] >> why do I have to be the outlet why do

[1:09:22] they have to like lie about what I'm

[1:09:24] saying

[1:09:24] >> because you're on a you're on the

[1:09:25] internet you have a face

[1:09:26] >> or Tally's not harassing any devs he

[1:09:28] must be happy with it

[1:09:30] >> I won't listen to the words Tally

[1:09:31] saying, but I I I notice he's not

[1:09:33] harassing any devs, so he must be in

[1:09:35] favor of No, I'm not [ __ ] in favor of

[1:09:37] what they're doing with Zulujan. As I've

[1:09:39] said like a thousand times before, Jesus

[1:09:42] is [ __ ] Christ, morons.

[1:09:44] >> I think it's just I think No, I think

[1:09:46] it's just really upset people, I think.

[1:09:48] >> Yeah. No, and I agree. And I I So, there

[1:09:50] was a bit of hope in this week when

[1:09:52] >> Oh, yes. the fight, the penultimate

[1:09:54] fight of the raid in 12.1, which we

[1:09:58] haven't had a chance to test yet, and we

[1:09:59] don't really know anything about either.

[1:10:02] In upcoming raid testing, they name the

[1:10:04] fights right?

[1:10:05] >> Yes.

[1:10:06] >> Uh, and it's changed name, not once, but

[1:10:10] twice.

[1:10:10] >> Yes.

[1:10:11] >> It's on its third different name now.

[1:10:13] >> Yeah.

[1:10:14] >> Uh, and what's it been called? It's been

[1:10:15] called like the unwilling. So the first

[1:10:18] name the first name was the unwilling

[1:10:20] vessel which you talked a little bit

[1:10:22] >> which knowing that he turns into a snake

[1:10:24] it's very suggestive that it could be

[1:10:25] could be zjan uh penultimate I know he's

[1:10:28] a boss in the uh dungeon as well but

[1:10:30] penultimate before it would make sense

[1:10:32] for it to be zan yeah involved in some

[1:10:35] way and then uh it was changed again to

[1:10:39] the coiled altar

[1:10:41] >> a bit more general

[1:10:42] >> uh and now finally uh it is called the

[1:10:46] bargained crown.

[1:10:47] M interesting.

[1:10:48] >> Ooh.

[1:10:50] >> Yeah.

[1:10:50] >> Yeah.

[1:10:51] >> Yeah. Um Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, oh,

[1:10:56] apparently you guys looked at Ziljan as

[1:10:57] a villain right away. No, I said he was

[1:10:59] getting villain batted right away and

[1:11:00] I've been proven right. Doesn't mean I

[1:11:02] like it, though. That's the thing. Like,

[1:11:03] I I correctly picked up on Blizzard's

[1:11:06] very obvious villain batting because

[1:11:09] I've played this game before and I can

[1:11:10] read words and I've been proven right.

[1:11:12] And I'm not glad that I'm right. You

[1:11:14] know, I was like, they're villain

[1:11:16] batting this guy. I hope they don't.

[1:11:18] >> Yeah.

[1:11:19] >> Uh but I I I was objectively correct. It

[1:11:22] would seem that they are villain batting

[1:11:24] him, you know. Um and so, but just

[1:11:26] pointing out objective objective fact

[1:11:29] isn't like, [laughter]

[1:11:30] >> you know, I can point out that global

[1:11:32] warming is happening. That doesn't mean

[1:11:33] I'm in favor of global warming. Quite

[1:11:35] the opposite. Usually, the people that

[1:11:36] deny global warming is happening are the

[1:11:39] people that are like not in favor of

[1:11:41] fixing global warming, right? me

[1:11:43] pointing out that global warming is

[1:11:44] happening is like, you know, more being

[1:11:48] against global warming than denying it.

[1:11:49] And same with Zuljan's villain batting.

[1:11:51] Like I correctly picked up what Blizz

[1:11:54] were putting down for villain batting

[1:11:55] Zuljan. Um, and doesn't mean I'm in

[1:11:58] favor of it in any way. I'm completely

[1:11:59] like it.

[1:12:00] >> No, totally. Um, but yeah, people people

[1:12:02] are very dishonest when they talk about

[1:12:03] me on the internet sometimes, but that's

[1:12:05] part of the job. I know. I get it. I get

[1:12:07] it. Um, so what do you think? Do you

[1:12:10] think there's anything in the uh the the

[1:12:12] fight name changes?

[1:12:13] >> I think there could be something to it.

[1:12:15] I I mean, I think they're just trying to

[1:12:17] change the tone of it a bit, whatever it

[1:12:20] is meant to be. Like I I have a just

[1:12:24] just the tiniest like nub of left in me.

[1:12:28] And I just I I think that he won't die.

[1:12:30] I don't think Sjian's going to die.

[1:12:31] >> Well, I hope not.

[1:12:32] >> Yeah. I just uh I just don't think it's

[1:12:34] going to happen.

[1:12:35] >> Yeah.

[1:12:35] >> And but I think he will lose something

[1:12:37] of himself along the way. Like you

[1:12:40] they become his form, right? Like I

[1:12:42] think he will be changed by his

[1:12:44] experience. I think we will we will have

[1:12:46] like a confrontation,

[1:12:48] >> but I but I I'm like secretly hoping

[1:12:50] he's not going to be gone.

[1:12:52] >> Well, I and like I say, I am so in favor

[1:12:55] of the idea of having like a snake

[1:12:58] Armani character

[1:12:59] >> just, you know, relearning what it means

[1:13:02] to be Amani. Like it's, you know, it I

[1:13:07] just think that's such an interesting

[1:13:08] concept. This guy who he was, he was so

[1:13:12] proud of what he was and he's not that

[1:13:14] thing anymore. So, how does he cope,

[1:13:15] right? What does he do? He has to well,

[1:13:17] he has to redefine what being Armani

[1:13:20] even is, which is just a good thing to

[1:13:22] do. And and and I think that's and you

[1:13:24] know, that's how he can find his his arc

[1:13:26] and his redemption. And I there's still

[1:13:29] there's still space for that to happen.

[1:13:30] I just really don't think it is because

[1:13:32] I I think he dies.

[1:13:33] >> Um I I really hope you're right. But

[1:13:35] anyway, that's something the player base

[1:13:36] is unhappy about.

[1:13:38] >> Um I'm unhappy about it, too. I think

[1:13:40] it's fair to say E's unhappy about it,

[1:13:41] too. Like, I'm always I'm, you know, I'm

[1:13:43] trying to keep an open mind about it if

[1:13:45] if it's done particularly well.

[1:13:47] >> You know, it's

[1:13:49] >> I don't I don't think that it's it's not

[1:13:51] pulled out of their asses or anything

[1:13:52] like that. I I think it was very clearly

[1:13:54] laid out from the from the questing,

[1:13:56] >> but yeah, it's just the least

[1:13:58] interesting thing they could have done

[1:13:58] with it in my opinion. And that's what I

[1:14:00] find offensive.

[1:14:01] >> Yeah, same.

[1:14:02] Can you just do something? Yeah, just

[1:14:04] >> like every other option was a bit more

[1:14:05] interesting.

[1:14:06] >> So, there we go. Such is life. Um, so

[1:14:09] another thing uh that I've been doing on

[1:14:12] the PTR this week was uh because another

[1:14:15] thing that people are concerned about

[1:14:17] when it comes to 12.1 is how, you know,

[1:14:21] trolly it is, how low it is. That's

[1:14:24] obviously all a good thing, but how

[1:14:26] potentially disconnected it is from the

[1:14:28] main story of Midnight. Have you heard

[1:14:30] people talking about this?

[1:14:30] >> I have not.

[1:14:31] >> Oh, really? Okay. Well, this is a

[1:14:32] discourse as well. And of course, I'm

[1:14:34] sympathetic to it's that thing of like,

[1:14:35] well, this is the traditional like mid

[1:14:37] patch sidestep. They did it with Udoir

[1:14:41] uh to greater claim. They did it with um

[1:14:44] undermine to slightly lesser claim from

[1:14:46] some quarters. And you know,

[1:14:49] >> there's this worry that okay, well, what

[1:14:51] about Zath? Are we losing momentum to go

[1:14:53] on like this little side quest

[1:14:55] basically?

[1:14:56] >> And one of the things I've been really

[1:14:58] delighted to kind of test out on the PTR

[1:15:00] this week was the Artor quest lines.

[1:15:02] >> Oh, which are set after the raid.

[1:15:06] >> Ah,

[1:15:07] >> okay. So, these won't be there on the

[1:15:09] first week of release. They'll probably

[1:15:10] be there the week after the raid goes

[1:15:12] live.

[1:15:13] >> Um, and it's the story of Arattor. You

[1:15:16] might have seen it online. Someone

[1:15:18] posted it and was like, "Look at this

[1:15:19] Disney ass shit." Because there's like a

[1:15:22] cut scene at the beginning where Artor,

[1:15:25] absolute [ __ ] Disney idiot, is sad

[1:15:27] that his parents might be dead.

[1:15:29] >> Oh no.

[1:15:29] >> And Umbrich is like, "Hey, let's go and

[1:15:32] try and find them. Maybe they're not."

[1:15:34] >> And that's Disney apparently. That's

[1:15:35] like I don't follow. That's Liz being

[1:15:37] like Disney. Like when someone is sad

[1:15:39] that their parents might be dead. That's

[1:15:41] some Disney ass [ __ ] right there.

[1:15:43] >> Yeah, for sure.

[1:15:44] >> That's like holy [ __ ] You know that

[1:15:45] scene in The Godfather where they're all

[1:15:47] at like, you know, Marlon Brando's

[1:15:49] funeral and they're all a bit sad

[1:15:50] because their dad is dead.

[1:15:52] >> Yeah.

[1:15:52] >> [ __ ] Disney [ __ ] man.

[1:15:53] >> Yeah.

[1:15:54] >> Like disgusting. I hate that [ __ ]

[1:15:56] Imagine being upset cuz your parents

[1:15:57] might be dead.

[1:15:59] >> [ __ ] [ __ ] Um, so uh you go on a

[1:16:03] little quest with uh Arat. Um, and like

[1:16:07] I say it, so a a very big spoiler here

[1:16:10] cuz you were talking about the idea of,

[1:16:12] you know, us using Oolletch to defeat

[1:16:15] Kithics and stuff later on and what have

[1:16:17] you. That's not going to happen. Tech's

[1:16:18] dead.

[1:16:18] >> Oh [ __ ]

[1:16:19] >> Yeah, we kill We Yeah, we cool we kill.

[1:16:22] Why?

[1:16:22] >> He's dead.

[1:16:23] >> Why do they have to keep killing the

[1:16:24] things that I like?

[1:16:25] >> Why do we have to keep killing raid

[1:16:26] bosses?

[1:16:28] You

[1:16:28] >> know, dead. like they they they talk

[1:16:30] about it multiple times and they talk

[1:16:32] about how well through the course of

[1:16:35] their discoveries, which I'm not going

[1:16:36] to uh spoil for you, but they go on a

[1:16:38] little hunt. They they they they're

[1:16:40] like, "We're going to go and bully some

[1:16:42] uh Twilight Blade

[1:16:44] >> down in the south part of Everong, okay,

[1:16:46] >> uh to to find out what they know." And

[1:16:48] you meet this little voiding.

[1:16:50] >> I love a good voiding.

[1:16:51] >> Oh my god, he's so good. He's like, "I

[1:16:55] don't know who I am, but I know I hate

[1:16:57] Twilight Blade. please help me by

[1:16:59] feeding me them. And so you do you take

[1:17:02] him along for some [ __ ] reason.

[1:17:04] >> I like you feed and he turns out to be a

[1:17:06] character that you know and it's it's

[1:17:07] kind of good and you chase him and this

[1:17:09] is amazing bit where he escapes through

[1:17:11] a portal and you chase him through void

[1:17:13] space and you dive through void space

[1:17:16] and you and Umbri and Arat and you're

[1:17:18] hurtling and it's it's it's the

[1:17:20] Demensius boss room and you're you're in

[1:17:23] these void bubbles and you're you're

[1:17:24] flying through and it plays the

[1:17:26] currently plays the Dementius music as

[1:17:27] well. Oh, and you're perfectly. And you

[1:17:29] have to like you have to like dodge

[1:17:31] stuff and like heal stuff and shoot

[1:17:33] stuff and it's [ __ ] awesome. It's so

[1:17:36] good.

[1:17:36] >> I will use any excuse to get in there.

[1:17:38] >> Oh my god. And then it sets up the

[1:17:40] resurrection of Kithics because it's

[1:17:42] like with Oolletch dead,

[1:17:45] >> the way is now clear for Kith because

[1:17:47] Ulletch as as as Ulitech's uh stone

[1:17:52] >> thing that he drops makes very clear it

[1:17:55] was Oolletch keeping Kithix under wraps

[1:17:57] down there. So the fact that is dead now

[1:17:59] means that the twilight blade can can

[1:18:00] the mural thank you can resurrect

[1:18:02] Kithix. So Kithix is clearly the boss in

[1:18:05] the one boss raid in the mini as we

[1:18:07] predicted

[1:18:08] >> but like very much being set up for the

[1:18:10] the coming back of Kithix and that being

[1:18:12] a big fight and uh that's kind of

[1:18:15] awesome really. And so

[1:18:18] the wor I would say the worries of there

[1:18:20] not being enough voidy stuff in this

[1:18:22] patch.

[1:18:23] This quest line completely put that to

[1:18:25] bed for me because it's actually the

[1:18:27] most straight up voidy [ __ ] we've had

[1:18:29] this expansion.

[1:18:31] >> Like something about having the uh the

[1:18:34] voidling follow you around. And you know

[1:18:37] it was it's an old voiding right with a

[1:18:39] funny voice. Not like goofy ass dominar.

[1:18:42] Not like a void planet. You you've got a

[1:18:44] voidling following you around. You're

[1:18:45] killing Twilight's Blade. You jump

[1:18:47] through a portal. You're zooming through

[1:18:48] space. You know, they're talking about

[1:18:50] bringing back an a black empire general

[1:18:52] and [ __ ] Like it's old school voidy

[1:18:55] vibes and it feels awesome. And and and

[1:18:57] it it is very much on Zalat's kind of

[1:18:59] say so that they're doing this. It was

[1:19:01] like one of the things she talked about

[1:19:02] before she disappeared cuz they don't

[1:19:03] know where she's gone either.

[1:19:04] >> And and they're like why has she

[1:19:06] abandoned us? Maybe if we bring back

[1:19:08] Kithic she'll come back cuz she'll be

[1:19:09] pleased with us sort of thing.

[1:19:10] >> Um and it's it's awesome. It's It's

[1:19:13] really really good and I I'm at like a

[1:19:15] genuine despite how like Disney it is

[1:19:17] obviously because someone's sad that

[1:19:19] their parents might be dead. Um it's

[1:19:20] really awesome. It's so cool. And then

[1:19:22] you you go you go [laughter] because

[1:19:25] obviously like uh

[1:19:29] the the the stuff that the Armani have

[1:19:31] been doing in the in the uh leveling has

[1:19:34] left the way open for the Twilight

[1:19:35] Splade and a lot of the areas of Zula

[1:19:37] man where this is happening and stuff.

[1:19:38] Right. You go and report all this to to

[1:19:41] Loramar in Silver Moon and he's just

[1:19:44] like

[1:19:45] >> the [ __ ] arm I know.

[1:19:47] >> I knew I should have taken that [ __ ]

[1:19:49] place over.

[1:19:50] >> Oh god. He's just great and I love him.

[1:19:52] And um it just it feels really voidy. It

[1:19:55] feels really like a plot.

[1:19:57] >> It's clearly setting up well it's

[1:19:58] clearly setting up um

[1:20:01] >> uh Arat as the child of Light and

[1:20:03] Shadow. Uh, which is something that

[1:20:05] obviously we've been speculating about

[1:20:07] since Legion. Um, and

[1:20:11] but Tally, how can he be the child of

[1:20:14] light and shadow? Cuz when he was born,

[1:20:16] Lyia didn't have any shadow in her. So,

[1:20:20] so it's not a true prophecy, is it? It's

[1:20:22] like

[1:20:24] >> if I if my dad became a wrestler

[1:20:27] tomorrow, I would be the son of a

[1:20:29] wrestler regardless of whether he was a

[1:20:32] wrestler when I was born. like he

[1:20:34] becomes a wrestler. I am now the son of

[1:20:36] a wrestler. Okay? So any prophecy

[1:20:38] predicting the son of a wrestler

[1:20:40] >> doing something important doesn't matter

[1:20:42] if he was a wrestler when I was born.

[1:20:44] Okay? It matters that he was a wrestler

[1:20:46] when I do the thing.

[1:20:48] >> Then the prophecy is correct. It

[1:20:49] prophesied the son of a wrestler. Okay?

[1:20:52] He didn't have to be a wrestler when I

[1:20:53] was born. That's how language works.

[1:20:55] >> Apparently that was your Jason Staithm

[1:20:57] impression.

[1:20:58] >> What?

[1:21:00] >> Fieldy says that was your Jason

[1:21:01] Stathithm impression. What was

[1:21:02] >> that in the voice?

[1:21:04] >> Oh my [laughter]

[1:21:05] I'm a beekeeper. Don't [ __ ] with me.

[1:21:08] >> Is that what is that what he actually

[1:21:10] sounds like?

[1:21:11] >> I don't [snorts] know. I've seen Jason

[1:21:12] Stathithm in real life.

[1:21:13] >> I don't think I've ever heard his voice.

[1:21:14] >> I was in a bar with him once and he

[1:21:16] >> Is he very small?

[1:21:17] >> He's He's so small. You have no idea.

[1:21:19] >> Okay.

[1:21:20] >> He's like

[1:21:20] >> It's got to be that proportion. I

[1:21:22] thought he was the guy that played Mini

[1:21:23] Me in the in in the uh in the movies at

[1:21:26] first. He's so tight, but he has he is

[1:21:29] be like lots of like lots of short

[1:21:31] kings. He is beautifully proportioned,

[1:21:33] which is why short kings make such

[1:21:34] brilliant film sets, right? Like

[1:21:36] beautifully proportioned, very

[1:21:37] attractive. He was going out with like a

[1:21:39] a statuesque 6 foot tall [ __ ]

[1:21:42] supermodel.

[1:21:42] >> Uh Rosie Huntington

[1:21:43] >> Whitley. This was a very long time ago,

[1:21:46] so maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. I

[1:21:47] don't know. But um like uh yeah, like

[1:21:49] clearly a very attractive man. Like no,

[1:21:51] as are many of my short kings, like

[1:21:54] absolutely. Um but uh yeah. Yeah. No.

[1:21:56] Um,

[1:21:57] >> what was I talking about? Oh, yeah. So,

[1:21:59] anyway, clearly setting up the child of

[1:22:01] light and shadow and, um, just some

[1:22:03] really interesting things going on that

[1:22:05] story. I was really happy with it. I

[1:22:06] thought it was a really, really good

[1:22:07] story line. So, yeah, again, just for

[1:22:09] bounce, I know that's a worry that

[1:22:10] people have that there isn't a

[1:22:12] connection to void stuff and what have

[1:22:13] you in this uh, patch. Just based on

[1:22:15] that, I'm I'm pretty happy that there is

[1:22:17] a little bit, you know, the suggestion

[1:22:19] there's going to be more quests

[1:22:20] throughout the patch

[1:22:21] >> on that theme as well. So, yeah, we'll

[1:22:24] wait and see, I guess.

[1:22:24] >> Yeah. Yeah. you know,

[1:22:26] >> um there were a couple of things that

[1:22:28] came up this week that I found uh did

[1:22:30] not make me angry. Oh, really?

[1:22:32] >> They were I found them very redemptive.

[1:22:33] >> Not really on theme then, but let's hear

[1:22:35] it.

[1:22:35] >> No, I know. But I think they're really

[1:22:36] important, including one of them, which

[1:22:38] was um just posted on Wowhead uh 15

[1:22:41] hours ago now. Really, really buried the

[1:22:44] lead on this one. The title is clear

[1:22:46] outlines on cone and line attacks,

[1:22:48] upcoming changes to season 2 mythic plus

[1:22:50] dungeons. And you're like,

[1:22:52] >> "Cool, good, good." But what this

[1:22:55] actually is is like a full breakdown

[1:22:57] bluepost of every single dungeon coming

[1:22:59] in the Mythic Plus rotation in season 2.

[1:23:02] Oh, how it's being fixed. Oh,

[1:23:04] >> and why you why they are aware that

[1:23:06] people hate them, but they're fixing

[1:23:08] them to make them much better. This is I

[1:23:10] I read

[1:23:10] >> that is bing cuz I didn't even click on

[1:23:12] that article cuz I was like,

[1:23:13] >> I didn't even click on it the first

[1:23:15] time.

[1:23:16] >> It's on the first page. It's one of the

[1:23:18] first things there

[1:23:19] >> cuz I saw the graphic and I was like,

[1:23:20] well, that looks good.

[1:23:22] I'm quite a highle player. I can I can

[1:23:24] see the [ __ ] on the ground.

[1:23:25] >> No, this is this is this is really

[1:23:27] really good. There's been a whole blue

[1:23:29] post, pages upon pages of uh feedback

[1:23:33] that they've given uh outlining uh what

[1:23:37] they're doing for Mythic Plus season 2

[1:23:39] and why.

[1:23:40] >> Okay. Every dungeon gets a full creature

[1:23:43] review to help avoid every creature from

[1:23:44] feeling the same and distribute

[1:23:46] challenge across the entire group.

[1:23:47] Season 2 is taking uh trying to take

[1:23:49] some of the pressure off tanks and

[1:23:50] healers, putting on DPS instead by

[1:23:52] slightly increasing health pools to

[1:23:53] encourage damage prioritization and

[1:23:54] cooldown timing, while some enemies

[1:23:56] abilities will now deal less real damage

[1:23:57] except for uh applying more penalties to

[1:23:59] player output, blah blah blah. Anything

[1:24:01] that caught your eye in this in this

[1:24:02] launch?

[1:24:02] >> Uh sorry, worth saying that spoilers are

[1:24:04] now over.

[1:24:05] >> Thank you. Sorry. Thank you.

[1:24:06] >> Spoilers are now over. Um, yeah, just

[1:24:08] how they they're literally gone through

[1:24:09] every they're like, and this was I think

[1:24:11] this was obvious when they announced the

[1:24:12] dungeons, but it's really really good

[1:24:13] that they're saying like, okay, murder

[1:24:15] row, uh, the cantina stuff goes by

[1:24:17] faster, uh, casting abilities have been

[1:24:19] taken out of, uh, loads of mobs, RP

[1:24:22] events go quicker, free, uh, Den of

[1:24:24] Narak, freezing wind, EASIER TO

[1:24:27] NAVIGATE. [laughter]

[1:24:28] >> I'LL BELIEVE IT when I [ __ ] see it,

[1:24:30] >> right? Blinding Veil, uh, caster is

[1:24:33] reduced. Um, uh, King's Rest role play

[1:24:37] goes by faster, fixed sequences, new

[1:24:40] abilities, boss reworked, enemy density.

[1:24:43] Like,

[1:24:44] >> it's really good. It like this is it's

[1:24:46] just cool. I to me I was like, this is a

[1:24:49] big win for Blizz. Thank you. Big W for

[1:24:51] communication.

[1:24:52] >> Yeah, for communication certainly

[1:24:53] >> for communication like literally

[1:24:55] outlining everything. This is a really

[1:24:56] and yeah, you get you get cones and

[1:24:58] stuff. Visible cones. This is have a

[1:25:00] look. It's really really in-depth. It's

[1:25:03] really detailed. point out something

[1:25:04] that really worries me in this. This

[1:25:06] just caught my eye really quick.

[1:25:07] >> Um,

[1:25:08] >> one key difference is we'd like to the

[1:25:10] difficulty of a dungeon to be even more

[1:25:11] shared across the group.

[1:25:12] >> Specifically, we'd like the DPS role to

[1:25:14] factor more strongly into a group

[1:25:15] success. Nope.

[1:25:17] >> Do you mean interrupts?

[1:25:18] >> As a healer, can I please just say it's

[1:25:21] fine? Let me carry please. Like, no. I

[1:25:25] do not want that. DPS don't want that.

[1:25:27] Like tanks and healers, you know, Blizz

[1:25:30] are expecting tanks and healers to be

[1:25:31] like, "Oh, yeah, at last. Thanks, Blizz.

[1:25:33] But no, tanks and healers are sitting

[1:25:34] there like, "Uh, absolutely [ __ ] not.

[1:25:36] No way. If you could give me a chance to

[1:25:38] take DPS completely out of the equation,

[1:25:39] make it all down to tank and healer,

[1:25:41] that would be great, actually. That

[1:25:42] would be really good. Thanks."

[1:25:43] [laughter]

[1:25:47] But no, I I I thought it was really cool

[1:25:48] that they came out with this. Um, it was

[1:25:50] really neat. And also speaking of

[1:25:52] Wowhead, uh, this is really interesting.

[1:25:54] Wowhead recently put out a an article

[1:25:57] called Wowhead in 2026 and beyond

[1:25:59] something we said we were going to talk

[1:25:59] about.

[1:26:00] >> This is Yeah, this is, you know, we

[1:26:01] should talk about this a little bit. um

[1:26:03] uh you know because many of you may have

[1:26:06] noticed uh that things have felt

[1:26:08] different on Wowhead. I think that's

[1:26:10] fair to say. There would

[1:26:12] >> for a while now

[1:26:12] >> for a while. For a while it's felt that

[1:26:14] way. You know, we've seen the departure

[1:26:16] of some familiar kind of important faces

[1:26:18] from Wowhead. Um there was a sudden

[1:26:21] influx of articles which I think we can

[1:26:24] all agree felt like very clickbaity and

[1:26:29] no substance really. This kind of like

[1:26:31] something the most important thing.

[1:26:33] Yeah. And of course, you know, in this

[1:26:36] day and age, it's kind of sparked

[1:26:37] people's worries about the use of AI.

[1:26:39] Um, and uh so they an article has just

[1:26:44] come out uh on Wowhead, which is

[1:26:46] >> I I kind of I just want to say before we

[1:26:48] move on, I think a lot of that criticism

[1:26:49] was very uh justified as well.

[1:26:52] Absolutely. I'm very much of the opinion

[1:26:54] that Yeah, a lot of that stuff has been

[1:26:56] noticeable with Wowhead recently. I

[1:26:58] would I would definitely agree with

[1:26:59] that. Sometimes over the last couple of

[1:27:01] years, let's be real. Yeah.

[1:27:02] >> I would look at

[1:27:04] >> a Wowhead article and kind of just roll

[1:27:06] my eyes

[1:27:07] >> and and be like, I expect that from

[1:27:09] certain YouTubers, but not from you,

[1:27:11] right? And like,

[1:27:13] >> yeah,

[1:27:13] >> you know. Yeah. I I I think most people

[1:27:15] would agree.

[1:27:16] >> Yeah. Um, so yeah. So, I'm not going to

[1:27:17] go into a detail of all of it here, but

[1:27:19] it's up on Wowhead and it's uh

[1:27:21] >> Well, no, is there some anything that

[1:27:23] kind of

[1:27:23] >> Yes, I'm gonna Yeah, I'm not That's why

[1:27:24] I say I'm not going to read the whole

[1:27:26] thing because it's very very long and

[1:27:27] like like this uh

[1:27:29] >> Blizz Blue post recently that came out.

[1:27:31] Um but this is uh Blaney who's kind of

[1:27:34] the the head of the content team now at

[1:27:36] Wowhead, just uh addressing a few

[1:27:38] things. Uh this is very I have to say

[1:27:41] this is a very nicely written Wowhead

[1:27:43] article. It's broken up very clearly and

[1:27:45] I can understand it a bit better meta.

[1:27:47] >> Probably not AI.

[1:27:48] >> Exactly. Probably not AI. Well, you

[1:27:50] know, the first thing is like the

[1:27:51] biggest question, AI. Uh I love the

[1:27:53] TLDDRS on this. Wowhead does not use AI

[1:27:55] to write anything. We know there's been

[1:27:57] speculation and we have firm rules and

[1:27:58] processes regarding this. Um apparently

[1:28:02] there are like very strict rules. If

[1:28:04] people use AI uh or are found to be

[1:28:07] using AI when writing articles, they uh

[1:28:10] investigated if it's true. they're

[1:28:13] fired. So that is um

[1:28:16] >> Yeah,

[1:28:16] >> that is the state of

[1:28:17] >> I think quite a lot of people fired from

[1:28:18] what I heard recently.

[1:28:19] >> Well, yeah,

[1:28:20] >> I wouldn't I wouldn't you know a lot of

[1:28:22] that is just evil catalism, right?

[1:28:23] Exactly. But here's the thing. You know

[1:28:25] how like loads of people left Blizzard

[1:28:26] in in the abuse scandal and one or two

[1:28:28] of them were definitely abusers, right?

[1:28:30] But you can't look at everyone who left

[1:28:32] during the abuse scandal and be like,

[1:28:33] "Oh, they were probably abusers."

[1:28:34] >> Exactly. We're not going to paint

[1:28:35] everyone with a broad a broad brush

[1:28:37] here. Um uh yeah. Um, they address the

[1:28:41] ads issue, which if you have ever used

[1:28:43] Wowheads, you will know that is frankly

[1:28:46] unusable on mobile. If you have it open

[1:28:49] in a tab while you're playing the game,

[1:28:51] it does not work.

[1:28:53] >> Okay, I'm actually going to

[1:28:55] >> Mhm.

[1:28:55] >> I'm going to I'm going to say something

[1:28:56] which no one's going to like.

[1:28:58] >> No, no, that's new.

[1:28:59] >> As you can see, because I've got Wowhead

[1:29:01] up on my screen right now,

[1:29:02] >> and there are no adverts on it. Okay.

[1:29:05] Since 2018, I've been paying a

[1:29:07] subscription to Wowhead because I use it

[1:29:09] every single day of my life. I through

[1:29:12] the course of my work, I often have like

[1:29:14] 10 15 Wowhead tabs open in my browser at

[1:29:17] any one time. Yes, with the adverts on,

[1:29:19] you simply couldn't do that. It would

[1:29:20] break your [ __ ] computer.

[1:29:22] >> Like, and that is bad. I'm not

[1:29:24] pretending that's not bad, but at the

[1:29:26] same time, I was like, well, look,

[1:29:28] clearly I value the service they

[1:29:30] provide. Clearly, I still want to use

[1:29:32] their site. I hate these adverts for

[1:29:35] what is I mean I don't even know what it

[1:29:36] costs. At the time it was like a couple

[1:29:38] of quid

[1:29:39] >> like literally a year or something like

[1:29:40] that.

[1:29:41] >> Maybe it's a bit more now. I don't even

[1:29:43] know. But I think for for how much I use

[1:29:45] it, it's got to be my cheapest,

[1:29:47] >> you know, subscription

[1:29:49] >> per use, you know, that I own out of

[1:29:52] anything. And that probably includes WoW

[1:29:53] as well.

[1:29:54] >> Um, and I think I think I did this

[1:29:57] before the channel even, so I think it's

[1:29:59] not even tax deductible. I don't think

[1:30:00] it even comes out of the company. me. I

[1:30:01] think it just comes out of my account,

[1:30:02] but I never even notice it cuz it's so

[1:30:04] small.

[1:30:04] >> Yeah.

[1:30:05] >> Um, and I haven't had I haven't had

[1:30:06] adverts on here since 2018, right?

[1:30:08] >> Like, so I I I get it. I understand the

[1:30:11] ads are out of control, but also it's a

[1:30:14] website that I value and the information

[1:30:16] I value on it, so I pay for it and I get

[1:30:18] I I that it doesn't affect me.

[1:30:20] >> I'm just saying.

[1:30:21] >> Yeah,

[1:30:21] >> that's all.

[1:30:22] >> That's good.

[1:30:23] >> You know,

[1:30:23] >> for people who don't do that, uh,

[1:30:25] >> consider it maybe. That's all. I get it.

[1:30:27] You shouldn't have to pay for [ __ ] on

[1:30:28] the internet. I I get it, right? But

[1:30:30] like

[1:30:31] >> people who who write for a living should

[1:30:33] be paid, right? Like

[1:30:34] >> Yeah. Yeah. Totally. Um

[1:30:36] >> where else does that money come from?

[1:30:37] >> I would I would, you know, I've got a

[1:30:38] lot of subscriptions. Okay. Netflix, uh

[1:30:42] Pornhub, um like, you know, I haven't

[1:30:45] got a Pornhub subscription, don't worry.

[1:30:47] >> Porn Do you mean Do you mean like

[1:30:48] Ponehub?

[1:30:49] >> No. No. I I was making a joke. I'm not I

[1:30:52] I you know, um but the subscription if I

[1:30:55] you know, I would give up my Netflix

[1:30:56] subscription. I would give up my Disney

[1:30:58] Plus subscription. you know, all of that

[1:31:00] before I gave up a my uh like YouTube

[1:31:04] premium subscription, if that's even

[1:31:06] what it's called nowadays. Again,

[1:31:07] something I've had since about 2016.

[1:31:10] >> Uh haven't watched an advert on on uh

[1:31:12] YouTube in since 2016, unless it was

[1:31:14] every telling me about Squarespace,

[1:31:16] right?

[1:31:16] >> Um

[1:31:18] >> and and my Wowhead subscription. Those

[1:31:20] are the two subscriptions that would

[1:31:21] literally be the last ones that I gave

[1:31:22] up. Oh, I'm Wow, probably as well. Yeah,

[1:31:24] but go start saying it. Yeah. Yeah.

[1:31:27] >> Um I just recommend it. Uh so yeah, so

[1:31:29] there I think they're like kind of

[1:31:31] reassessing the the ad structure on the

[1:31:33] website. Um and and likewise um uh

[1:31:37] there's a whole uh section about content

[1:31:39] and about like hey we tried some we

[1:31:42] noticed you guys really didn't like

[1:31:44] these articles. Um we're not going to do

[1:31:47] them anymore. We tried something. We're

[1:31:49] not doing it anymore. Um if you don't

[1:31:52] like something, tell us. Right. And I I

[1:31:55] have to say I appreciate this kind of

[1:31:57] like just transparency. I think it's

[1:32:00] good especially in a time when again

[1:32:02] you're like hey is this website being

[1:32:04] completely run by AI right now because

[1:32:07] many things are right so much is so

[1:32:09] automated. I've never

[1:32:10] >> I've never had so many like sponsorship

[1:32:14] opportunities or literally like there

[1:32:16] are no real agents anymore. They're all

[1:32:19] just AI agents to navigate. Well, when

[1:32:22] we do a video, which is a sponsored

[1:32:24] videos of Squarespace, we have to get

[1:32:25] approved, right, before before the video

[1:32:27] goes out where like, you know, just make

[1:32:29] sure we're not saying anything like

[1:32:31] terrible,

[1:32:33] >> go out, hit some kids or something,

[1:32:35] right? Like um and it used to take a

[1:32:37] couple of days for that to happen. Now

[1:32:39] it happens in 5 minutes

[1:32:40] >> and you're like,

[1:32:41] >> well, I think

[1:32:42] >> I don't know what process I don't know

[1:32:43] what process they're doing.

[1:32:46] >> But I don't think there's many humans

[1:32:47] involved in it anymore.

[1:32:48] >> Even systems have been automated.

[1:32:49] >> Yeah. Um but yeah uh so it's um I just

[1:32:53] thought that was really interesting for

[1:32:54] anyone who is uh who who is curious

[1:32:56] about kind of the future of what I would

[1:32:58] say is like the core World of Warcraft

[1:33:01] database and news site, right? People

[1:33:05] rely on it for so many things. It was it

[1:33:07] was really heartening to see this uh

[1:33:09] this kind of message come out to be

[1:33:11] honest. Um doesn't necessarily outline

[1:33:14] the future, but it's like hey um we're

[1:33:16] still humans here. We're we're figuring

[1:33:19] it out. We're trying to figure out

[1:33:20] what's next. Yeah.

[1:33:21] >> So, um, that was quite cool.

[1:33:23] >> Iconography. Use our code. Um,

[1:33:25] [laughter]

[1:33:25] >> heck yeah. Heck yeah. I got Kimchi to

[1:33:28] use our code recently.

[1:33:29] >> Yes.

[1:33:30] >> Yeah.

[1:33:32] >> Get in there.

[1:33:33] >> Um, but yeah, those are some things that

[1:33:35] in this week of like, you know, living

[1:33:38] on the face of the sun. That made me

[1:33:40] feel good, too.

[1:33:41] >> I I actually respect Wowhead for this

[1:33:43] because I was I was having my doubts

[1:33:45] about Wowhead as well. And uh you know I

[1:33:48] was dismayed to see like all the layoffs

[1:33:49] and stuff recently. We talked about this

[1:33:51] last week I think but particularly with

[1:33:52] Peculiar cuz I love Peculiar and uh you

[1:33:55] know she's like just awesome.

[1:33:57] >> But I I I really respect this article. I

[1:33:59] think this article is really good. It's

[1:34:01] well written and the things that they're

[1:34:03] talking about changing

[1:34:04] >> Yes, please. I would like to see them

[1:34:06] change those things. I think that's

[1:34:07] awesome.

[1:34:07] >> Exactly. And I really enjoy the

[1:34:09] discussion that's happening underneath

[1:34:10] it because the author Bly is going

[1:34:12] through and literally responding to

[1:34:13] every single comment. It's kind of

[1:34:15] awesome

[1:34:15] >> and it's kind of amazing and the uh the

[1:34:18] comments are like mostly really good

[1:34:20] feedback. People being like, "Hey,

[1:34:21] actually, you know, there's like memory

[1:34:23] leaks and I don't like this type of

[1:34:25] content because it's not good." And um I

[1:34:28] appreciate, you know, it's actually it's

[1:34:29] it's pretty good. You do get a couple of

[1:34:31] people who are like, "Haha, this article

[1:34:33] was written by AI. Look at all the

[1:34:35] dashes." It's like, uh it it just come,

[1:34:40] you know, come on. And I only found one

[1:34:42] of our haters in there. So,

[1:34:44] >> hey. [laughter]

[1:34:46] >> Wow, they must be on holiday.

[1:34:48] >> I know exactly. The haters must be on

[1:34:49] holiday. Um, but yeah. So,

[1:34:51] >> well, he just hasn't had a chance to log

[1:34:52] on to all his other accounts yet. That's

[1:34:54] >> Give them time. [laughter]

[1:34:56] >> Um, so, so that was that made me

[1:34:59] >> Yeah. No, I I I think that's No, I I

[1:35:02] found it like a lot of [ __ ] has been

[1:35:04] said about Wowhead justifiably in the

[1:35:07] last uh few months in particular. Uh,

[1:35:09] and I think, you know, fair play. I

[1:35:10] think that's a good response. Credit

[1:35:12] where it's due.

[1:35:12] >> Yeah.

[1:35:13] >> Yeah. Good stuff. Anything else? Oh, a

[1:35:15] couple of just like little news tidbits.

[1:35:17] >> Yeah.

[1:35:17] >> Um, new warband screens coming in 12.1.

[1:35:20] >> Yeah. Can I say something?

[1:35:21] >> Yes.

[1:35:22] >> I think the void one's really ugly.

[1:35:24] >> This one?

[1:35:24] >> Yeah.

[1:35:24] >> Why?

[1:35:25] >> It's not voidy enough.

[1:35:27] >> Not voidy enough.

[1:35:28] >> No, it's not void. Just make it purple,

[1:35:30] man.

[1:35:30] >> Okay. Yeah. Okay.

[1:35:31] >> Look at that. I think the other one is

[1:35:33] beautiful. I think that that silver moon

[1:35:35] lovely. Your characters are going to be

[1:35:36] in high Look. No. See, look. Your

[1:35:38] characters stand in front of that. Your

[1:35:40] characters are high contrast. you have

[1:35:42] this like nice kind of glowing washed

[1:35:44] out stuff. Um, yeah. Uh, and then the

[1:35:47] void one is like it's just a bit purple

[1:35:49] in the background. It's not purple in

[1:35:51] the foreground. I don't like it. There's

[1:35:53] some feedback.

[1:35:54] >> Yeah, true. [laughter] Okay, there's

[1:35:55] some feedback for you. But anyway, those

[1:35:57] are coming.

[1:35:57] >> Absolutely. Do this before you before

[1:35:58] you save Zjam.

[1:36:00] >> Um, look, I think most people are going

[1:36:02] to disagree with you. I think most

[1:36:03] people are going to say that one looks

[1:36:04] much better

[1:36:04] >> for for like the high contrast. Yeah,

[1:36:07] maybe.

[1:36:07] >> But I maybe maybe I'm wrong. I I prefer

[1:36:09] the voidy one as well. um if I'm honest.

[1:36:12] But oh no, you know what? I I I I take

[1:36:14] what you're saying on board. You've

[1:36:15] changed my mind. I prefer the other one

[1:36:16] now. I'd like to see the flags being red

[1:36:18] if I'm completely honest. The uh

[1:36:20] >> I know. Why aren't they red, man? I

[1:36:22] know. It's like, wait, that's a silver

[1:36:24] moon.

[1:36:25] >> Yeah,

[1:36:25] >> that's a silver moon.

[1:36:26] >> I'd like to see the flags be red just

[1:36:28] because for my own I know they're blue

[1:36:29] there in the game,

[1:36:30] >> but I'd like to see them be red just

[1:36:32] because I don't know. Just I would.

[1:36:34] Okay.

[1:36:34] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know. I know.

[1:36:36] >> Um but no, you you convinced me. I like

[1:36:38] I like I like this building. Oh, you

[1:36:40] know, you convinced me. You know,

[1:36:41] >> I just think your characters are going

[1:36:43] to look good in front of that. If it's

[1:36:44] too busy in the background, you're going

[1:36:45] to get

[1:36:46] >> confused. Do you know what? Do you know

[1:36:48] what would be really awesome? I think

[1:36:49] it'd be really cool if, uh, when you if

[1:36:51] you had this one as your war band

[1:36:52] screen.

[1:36:53] >> Mhm.

[1:36:54] >> The title music changed to being more

[1:36:55] voidy like [laughter]

[1:36:58] >> that's really really cool.

[1:36:59] >> Um, yeah. So, uh, that's that's pretty

[1:37:01] nice. And, uh, oh, that's the that's the

[1:37:04] only other articles I had up really. So,

[1:37:06] the only other thing I wanted to touch

[1:37:07] on really quickly before we got to um

[1:37:10] Q&A's

[1:37:12] >> uh before we got to super chats,

[1:37:14] >> yeah,

[1:37:14] >> was Camelot.

[1:37:15] >> Oh, right.

[1:37:16] >> We talked a little bit about Camelot

[1:37:18] last week and what that's going to mean,

[1:37:20] but there there has been like, you know,

[1:37:22] some a very interesting couple of Reddit

[1:37:25] posts which would suggest

[1:37:27] >> have

[1:37:28] >> that maybe it is legit as well.

[1:37:31] >> The ideas and the idea that um Oh,

[1:37:33] whoops. That's not it. the idea that

[1:37:37] um where did I put it? Oh, here it is.

[1:37:39] >> Oh. Oh, right.

[1:37:40] >> So, this timeline was posted apparently

[1:37:45] last year, like in 2025 before Camelot

[1:37:49] was known

[1:37:50] >> on Reddit.

[1:37:50] >> Yeah. On Reddit.

[1:37:51] >> Okay.

[1:37:52] >> There's reason to believe this might be

[1:37:53] true. Okay.

[1:37:54] >> Honestly, um I'm not saying it is. Like

[1:37:57] I I always say any leak is fake because

[1:37:59] 99.9% of the time you're going to prove

[1:38:01] to be right and then you can act all

[1:38:02] clever about it. Okay. So, I I maintain

[1:38:05] that here as well. I'm probably going to

[1:38:07] veer on it being uh fake, but you know,

[1:38:13] if it did actually come out in 2025,

[1:38:15] this this uh screen print, which

[1:38:17] apparently it did on the on the internet

[1:38:19] archive, no one's found it apparently,

[1:38:21] assuming that's true,

[1:38:23] >> um then it obviously is correct when it

[1:38:25] comes to the timeline of War Within and

[1:38:28] uh Midnight so far. is correct on the

[1:38:30] classic timeline and it places Camelot

[1:38:34] in Q3 of 2026 which would be Blizzcon.

[1:38:38] >> Yeah, it would be Blizzcon.

[1:38:39] >> Uh and you know it's it's under the

[1:38:41] classic umbrella Camelot.

[1:38:44] So I mean

[1:38:47] >> what do you think?

[1:38:48] >> I don't know. It's the Arthus ARPG.

[1:38:50] That's

[1:38:51] >> I was gonna get to that later, but like

[1:38:53] [laughter] judged on judged on this and

[1:38:55] the thing is like if this is true,

[1:38:58] >> you know, uh then um you know, we got we

[1:39:01] got a Q3 2027 for Last Titan, which

[1:39:03] okay, anyone could guess that, right?

[1:39:05] >> Yeah.

[1:39:05] >> Um but then you've got Warcraft

[1:39:07] Chronicles RTS. And if I'm completely

[1:39:09] honest, this is what makes me doubt it.

[1:39:11] >> Yeah.

[1:39:12] >> Like

[1:39:12] >> anime series. Why does it have to say

[1:39:15] anime series there?

[1:39:16] >> Oh, in the RTS bit. Yeah. to coincide

[1:39:19] with the anime series, I guess. But I

[1:39:21] don't know. I Yeah, I agree. That seems

[1:39:23] a bit

[1:39:26] >> And this just seems like a Reddit wish

[1:39:28] list, basically. Of course it is. And

[1:39:29] this is where if if this is a fake leak,

[1:39:31] this is where fake leaks always let

[1:39:33] themselves down. They can't chill the

[1:39:35] [ __ ] out. They can't just take a step

[1:39:37] back. They always have to turn it into

[1:39:40] like go a little bit too far.

[1:39:42] >> Yeah. And you see that about like um

[1:39:44] expansion leaks and stuff all the time.

[1:39:45] It's like Blizzard are going to do this

[1:39:47] and this and this

[1:39:48] >> because they realize they [ __ ] up the

[1:39:50] entire game. Oh no. Okay, you you you

[1:39:53] you [ __ ] it. You [ __ ] your leak

[1:39:55] here. Here you go. You let emotion get

[1:39:57] away with you. Um and an Arthus ARPG.