Everything We Know About Curse of Ula'tek: First Reactions... A WoW Podcast, Obviously #75

[00:45] Hello internet, Taliesin here.

[00:46] >> And Evitel too.

[00:47] >> And welcome to a WoW podcast, obviously

[00:49] episode number

[00:51] >> 75.

[00:52] >> It is 75 and OH MY GOODNESS, WE HAVE so

[00:58] much to talk about. Would you like to

[01:00] talk about it with us?

[01:01] >> What a day. Yes, please.

[01:03] >> Well, good. Well, I hope you got a lot

[01:04] of sleep last night, Evie, because

[01:05] frankly it's going to be a very, very

[01:08] busy weekend for us. Welcome to everyone

[01:10] who's joining us in the morning to talk

[01:12] about 12.1

[01:14] Fangs of Ulatek

[01:16] >> [laughter]

[01:16] >> is what it was not called in the end,

[01:19] even though that's what I took a blind

[01:21] guess at. It was It's called Curse of

[01:23] Ulatek.

[01:23] >> Ulatek. So, so warcrafty. You should

[01:26] have known.

[01:27] >> Well, I mean, I think one of the things

[01:29] I'm really liking about Well, let's just

[01:31] talk about all this this patch is like

[01:32] there are some very old school vibes

[01:35] coming out.

[01:35] >> Very old.

[01:36] >> With with 12.1.

[01:37] >> I approve.

[01:39] >> There are snakes, there are temples,

[01:42] there's poison up the wazoo, there's

[01:45] like very low polygon looking [ __ ] which

[01:48] I love.

[01:48] >> Low poly green ooze.

[01:50] >> Oh, but there's some controversy as

[01:51] well, Evitel. There's some stuff people

[01:53] There's There's some stuff people don't

[01:55] like

[01:56] >> Oh, no.

[01:56] >> as well and we're going to talk about

[01:58] all of it.

[01:58] >> I read something I don't

[01:59] >> like today.

[02:00] >> Oh, really?

[02:00] >> Yeah.

[02:01] >> Okay, well well and and you know and

[02:02] there's news coming out all the time

[02:04] beyond the announcement that happened uh

[02:06] which we were on uh live on stream for

[02:08] on Twitch um and uh and all sorts as

[02:11] well. So, welcome if you're watching um

[02:12] on the live stream as we record this on

[02:15] YouTube uh or Twitch. We see you. We see

[02:18] you all in chat. Hello. Welcome.

[02:20] Welcome.

[02:20] >> Peace.

[02:20] >> Um and uh well done for getting up this

[02:22] early in the morning. You know what? We

[02:24] had a sneaky suspicion. No inside

[02:27] knowledge obviously like genuinely.

[02:29] >> Never.

[02:29] >> Um uh in fact, I don't think anyone had

[02:30] any inside knowledge by the lack of like

[02:32] interviews and stuff that have have

[02:34] dropped

[02:34] >> Yeah.

[02:35] >> um in the wake of the announcement.

[02:36] Usually usually you'd expect some um or

[02:38] like on embargo and stuff, but nothing.

[02:40] So, I I I genuinely think no one in the

[02:41] community really knew, but the

[02:43] community's quite good at guessing these

[02:44] things at this point, right?

[02:45] >> We've we've been on this rodeo

[02:48] merry-go-round.

[02:48] >> Yeah, yeah, yeah, we have. We've

[02:50] >> [laughter]

[02:50] >> we've ridden this little

[02:52] uh this yeah.

[02:53] >> Yeah.

[02:54] >> This tiny

[02:56] >> What pardon?

[02:57] >> tiny uh

[02:59] cadence schedule before. So, um and and

[03:01] we thought, "You know what? Why don't we

[03:04] just push the podcast to record on

[03:06] Friday morning instead of Thursday

[03:08] afternoon just in case." And I'm pretty

[03:12] glad we did.

[03:13] >> Yeah.

[03:14] >> Uh so, we're going to be talking about

[03:15] everything in 12.1 today except

[03:18] the tier sets.

[03:19] >> Oh.

[03:20] >> sets that um uh Wowhead this morning

[03:22] like, "We have data mined the tier

[03:24] sets." And I'm like, "Really?" I logged

[03:25] on the PTR and looked at them.

[03:26] >> Yeah.

[03:26] >> [laughter]

[03:27] >> Yeah.

[03:28] >> It's just It's just there. I I I didn't

[03:29] have to do any data mining. I literally

[03:31] just turned on the PTR. I looked in the

[03:33] appearances tab and there they all were.

[03:35] No data mining necessary. So, well done

[03:38] Wow data miners, but you worked a bit

[03:40] too hard than you had to there to be

[03:41] honest. Uh so, um and we're going to be

[03:43] recording our tier set video

[03:46] straight after this. Literally, we're

[03:48] going to we're going to press stop on

[03:49] this uh podcast. Maybe we're have a wee.

[03:53] Um and then and then we'll be recording

[03:55] our reactions to the tier sets, which

[03:57] Evie hasn't seen any of. So, I've

[03:58] already I've already scrolled through,

[04:00] right? But safe to say, I think you're

[04:02] going to be pretty happy with the hunter

[04:04] set Evie.

[04:04] >> Are you Are you trolling me right now?

[04:06] >> What Everything is trolling now from now

[04:08] on, right? It's [laughter] like

[04:11] And and like oh my goodness. So, things

[04:13] I'm most happy about about 12.1, the

[04:15] fact that anything we don't like we can

[04:17] be like a blitz trolling us right now.

[04:20] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[04:21] >> Uh and also uh obviously the Ring of

[04:22] Glory.

[04:23] >> [laughter]

[04:24] >> Like when when I saw the name of that

[04:26] doll

[04:27] >> Too early for that.

[04:27] >> When I saw it never too early. When I

[04:29] saw the you know, you got to pack your

[04:31] great roll with the with with runs from

[04:34] the

[04:34] Ring of Glory, right? Oh god. You know,

[04:37] there's stiff competition, but you got

[04:38] to dive into the Ring of Glory

[04:40] headfirst.

[04:41] >> Yes, you do.

[04:41] >> You just got to really peel back the

[04:43] layers, really have a rummage around

[04:45] there,

[04:47] you know?

[04:48] >> Yeah.

[04:49] >> You don't want to add to this?

[04:50] >> No, I have nothing to add to that.

[04:52] >> Well, okay. All right. Fine. Fine. Okay.

[04:54] [laughter]

[04:54] I'm just going to move your microphone

[04:55] so like you know.

[04:58] >> Yeah.

[04:58] >> Yeah. Yeah. You know how like we have to

[05:00] tell our son to kind of like not use his

[05:02] hands to pick up his food every single

[05:03] dinner time like 12 times.

[05:06] I feel like that with your microphone

[05:07] sometimes.

[05:09] Doesn't matter how many times I say

[05:11] >> I angled it this way so that it can go

[05:13] when I talk down to it it makes it

[05:15] >> Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah. Totally.

[05:16] >> Cuz otherwise it's just going like this.

[05:17] >> just just put it over here like this.

[05:18] It's just like I just aim for it. It's

[05:20] fine. It's cool. I Yeah. Yeah. 10 years

[05:22] we've been doing this. It's fine.

[05:25] >> [laughter]

[05:26] >> Uh if you don't want us to talk about

[05:28] it,

[05:29] um then please

[05:31] uh give us some money and we won't. Like

[05:33] send us a super chat and we'll talk

[05:34] about anything you like.

[05:36] >> Yeah, so folks on YouTube, um

[05:38] uh towards the end of today's show we

[05:40] will be going through the super chats.

[05:42] So, drop some of those for us. Uh let us

[05:44] know what

[05:46] uh you're thinking, what you're wanting,

[05:49] your reactions, or what you'd like us to

[05:51] discuss. Drop those in there and we'll

[05:52] get to them.

[05:52] >> I know what you're thinking. You just

[05:54] want us to talk about the the Ring of

[05:55] Glory. That's all you want to talk

[05:57] about. That's all you want to hear

[05:58] about. That's all you care about. The

[05:59] first thing you wake up in the morning

[06:00] is you think, "I Where's my Ring of

[06:02] Glory?" And before you go to bed, you're

[06:03] like, "Did I do enough Ring of Glory

[06:04] today?"

[06:05] Um and like, yeah, like that's that's

[06:08] what it is. But try and think of

[06:08] something else. Try and try and kind of

[06:11] like mix it up a bit. That'd be really

[06:13] good. Thank you.

[06:14] >> Yeah. [laughter] Um right. Put something

[06:15] else in there but you can.

[06:17] >> Before we get get something else in the

[06:19] Ring of Glory.

[06:20] >> Yes.

[06:20] >> Leave the Ring of Glory alone. It's

[06:22] tired.

[06:23] We've worn out the Ring of Glory now.

[06:26] We have to let it rest for a little bit

[06:27] before we come back to it later in the

[06:28] show. The Ring of Glory is

[06:31] >> Please let us continue.

[06:33] >> [laughter]

[06:33] >> Right.

[06:34] >> On that note.

[06:35] >> Okay, so look, we're not going to dwell

[06:36] on this. God, I swear, I promise we're

[06:38] not going to dwell on this. But it would

[06:40] be remiss since this is the first show

[06:42] since the launch of 12.0.7

[06:46] Revelations.

[06:47] >> Oh, right.

[06:48] >> It would be remiss not to at least

[06:50] mention the launch and how you've been

[06:51] finding it and how you've been enjoying

[06:53] it Evie.

[06:53] >> Yeah, yeah. You know, in the one day,

[06:57] two days that it was live before the

[07:00] more exciting news dropped.

[07:01] >> [laughter]

[07:02] >> Thank god, honestly. They were like,

[07:04] can you imagine? Can you imagine if we

[07:06] had to have more than one day of 12.0.7?

[07:08] Like Do you know what? What was perfect

[07:10] was the news of 12.1 dropped literally

[07:12] the second I finished all the content in

[07:14] 12.0.7. [laughter]

[07:14] I was like, "Well, I've done it. I've

[07:16] done 12.0.7

[07:18] now. Now what?" And then and then we got

[07:20] 12.1 and it was perfect.

[07:21] >> Yeah, yeah. You know what? Um I'm glad

[07:24] it's there. I did some of the new

[07:27] I did new really because, you know, I

[07:29] did some of the new

[07:31] tier six ritual sites. I got some myth

[07:34] crests. I got some field accolades.

[07:39] I went

[07:40] But, know, I I bought a hero ring and

[07:42] it's rubbish. Literally gave me the

[07:44] worst stats. So, I'm going to switch up

[07:47] my

[07:49] strategy to again just hop into really

[07:51] high keys and roll for loot. And

[07:54] >> [laughter]

[07:56] >> And then I

[07:57] I went to Ny'alotha and that was sorely

[08:01] disappointing after like the mob

[08:03] >> Why Why was it so disappointing?

[08:04] >> After the mob fest that was the PTR, it

[08:07] was busy. It was Oh, it was threatening.

[08:11] Um it was really

[08:14] Yeah, I liked it. It felt like a bit of

[08:16] a challenge.

[08:18] But, now it's it's empty because

[08:20] everyone decimates the mobs even on

[08:22] heroic tier. Again, I guess that, you

[08:24] know, we talked about this a bit

[08:25] yesterday on the stream, but it it feels

[08:27] like it is for alts. And

[08:30] >> Well,

[08:31] >> Well, that's okay.

[08:32] >> It feels like it's for alts, but at the

[08:34] same time, cuz I went in there with my

[08:36] main and I did all the story quests and

[08:37] stuff. And like, you know what? There's

[08:38] actually some quite good world building

[08:40] and stuff in there. There's like some

[08:41] There's like a little intriguing thing

[08:43] of what is this planet and why were the

[08:45] Legion using it and stuff like that.

[08:46] Like the On the Anvil um quests as well,

[08:49] which were really great actually if

[08:50] you're reading the quest text and stuff.

[08:52] >> what? They are good. I did them on the

[08:53] PTR, so I kind of blasted through them.

[08:55] >> I did all that [ __ ] with my main. I was

[08:57] like, well, there's nothing for me here,

[08:59] you know,

[09:01] like heroic heroic mode or not. And so,

[09:04] I I thought, well, I bet I bet it's much

[09:06] better for an alt. So, I went in with a

[09:07] leveling alt.

[09:09] Cuz if I want if I want field acolytes,

[09:10] I'm going to do

[09:13] ritual sites, right? So,

[09:15] like you can bot those. That's the best

[09:16] way to get, especially now with tier six

[09:18] as well. Um so, I went in with like an

[09:21] alt that I've been leveling, like an 84

[09:23] alt.

[09:24] And I ran around and okay, it's not as

[09:26] fast for leveling as doing a dungeon or

[09:29] whatever, but it is a a nice change of

[09:31] pace, you know? A nice

[09:33] And you're getting field acolytes at the

[09:34] same time.

[09:35] The gear you're getting is better than

[09:36] you're getting in leveling

[09:38] So, it felt worthwhile and I was like,

[09:39] "Oh, actually, yeah, this is what

[09:40] Nathria is for. It's for, like, you

[09:43] know, leveling alts." But then, after 20

[09:46] minutes, I'd run out of quests. I'd run

[09:48] out of world quests and I was done. And

[09:51] I literally there was the the map was

[09:53] literally empty. There was nothing to

[09:55] do. Which, okay, fair enough, you don't

[09:56] want to overwhelm people, but that that

[09:57] was my leveling journey over on that alt

[09:59] in Nathria, right? Which is a shame cuz

[10:01] like I was having so much fun blasting

[10:04] stationary mushrooms that didn't fight

[10:06] back.

[10:07] I did that quest like four times. It's

[10:10] like, "Yo, can you just kill some

[10:11] stationary mushrooms that don't fight

[10:13] back?" And I'm like, "There's some

[10:14] pretty big monsters in this zone.

[10:16] There's like Ethereals, the Harronna na

[10:18] na, whatever they're called, the baddest

[10:19] Ethereals in the entire world. And thank

[10:21] goodness didn't join in the fight on

[10:22] K'aresh, otherwise we'd have been in

[10:23] trouble cuz they're so badass."

[10:24] [laughter] Uh they were doing something

[10:25] else that day. Wasn't that it?

[10:27] Yeah, exactly. And and they were like,

[10:28] "Can you just Nah, don't worry about

[10:29] them. Don't worry about the world boss.

[10:31] Just blast these stationary mushrooms

[10:33] that don't fight back." And I'm doing

[10:35] anything. I was like, "Yeah, cool." I

[10:36] did that four times and um yeah, it's

[10:39] fine. And I did a bit of spider-manning

[10:41] on the mushrooms, which is actually like

[10:42] quite fun. Uh but I know everyone's

[10:44] going to hate.

[10:45] >> Yeah, the mushrooms are rubbish.

[10:47] >> Yeah.

[10:47] >> [laughter]

[10:48] >> Mushrooms are just

[10:50] >> Yeah, but don't worry, Evertale.

[10:52] >> I won't.

[10:53] >> Um oh, uh hang on. I did do some raiding

[10:55] as well. Last night. Well, you know how

[10:57] everyone's saying that uh the new raid

[10:59] is incredibly easy?

[11:00] >> Yes.

[11:00] >> Well, we went in there with heroic and

[11:02] absolutely smashed it like in two two

[11:04] pulls. And then we went in in mythic and

[11:07] every we did not kill it.

[11:08] >> Oh.

[11:10] >> We got to like 30%.

[11:11] >> That's not bad.

[11:12] >> I know, man. Like

[11:14] >> Our raid Our raid are great, but they're

[11:16] not very good at just leaving stuff on

[11:18] literally a mark.

[11:19] >> Oh.

[11:20] >> Apparently.

[11:21] >> Yeah.

[11:22] >> Like so um but do you know what my

[11:24] biggest disappointment about the entire

[11:25] raid was? Cuz it's a one-boss raid, man.

[11:27] What do you want? It's like 0.7. You

[11:28] don't want it to be like a a five-minute

[11:30] [ __ ] epic, right? Okay? So, like we

[11:33] went in there and I was really excited.

[11:34] We're like, "Okay guys, welcome to flex

[11:37] rating. We can We're going to flex

[11:39] mythic. Here we go." But you know what?

[11:41] We had 20 [ __ ] people in our group.

[11:43] >> Yeah.

[11:44] >> It was a 20 It was a 20 group a 29

[11:46] group. So it was like, "This is just

[11:48] like

[11:48] >> have just booted someone.

[11:49] >> were going to. So we like for 2 hours

[11:52] there were only 20 there were 20 of us

[11:54] and we're like, "Well, this I mean, this

[11:55] is great. This is fantastic, but it

[11:57] would be nice to have seen the flex

[11:59] stuff a little bit." And luckily,

[12:01] someone joined like after 2 hours and

[12:03] then we had 21. So I can now say

[12:06] I can now say that I've tested the flex

[12:09] mythic rating.

[12:10] >> Great. Cuz I was like, "I can't say that

[12:11] I've tested the flex mythic rating at

[12:13] this point. There's 20 of us exactly

[12:14] right here."

[12:15] >> [laughter]

[12:16] >> Perfection. Good. I'm glad.

[12:18] >> But it's good. I I I like it. It's It's

[12:19] fine. It's good. I I know it's like lots

[12:21] of people are saying it's very easy and

[12:22] people are like

[12:24] spamming it so that they can

[12:26] get all the really good gear cuz you can

[12:27] reroll as many times as you want on that

[12:29] [ __ ]

[12:29] >> Yeah.

[12:30] >> If you've got 10 rerolls, which I really

[12:31] wish I'd known,

[12:33] then you can you can use them all.

[12:34] >> Yeah. And then get your spore forged

[12:36] gear.

[12:37] >> And then turn that into tier gear. Oh,

[12:40] excellent tier news as well in 12.1. My

[12:42] god, such Oh my goodness, some such good

[12:44] catalyst news.

[12:46] So yeah, there we go. And don't worry,

[12:48] if you think 12.0.7 is boring so far,

[12:51] then don't forget that in just two more

[12:54] weeks, well, you got Val, which is the

[12:57] not so good news zone.

[12:58] >> Oh, yeah. The icy one.

[13:00] >> Yeah, the icy one.

[13:02] And then you got that launching next

[13:03] week and then the week after that,

[13:05] you've got the big story quest the big

[13:07] story quest chapter with Zul'jan. And I

[13:11] don't want to spoil anything about what

[13:13] happens in that story [laughter] quest

[13:14] itself.

[13:15] But you know, you go on a little

[13:17] adventure with Zul'jan and he's Well, I

[13:19] I I don't want to spoil it, but he's

[13:20] looking for something. I don't want to

[13:22] spoil what he's looking for and there

[13:24] are some really interesting pointers as

[13:26] to where the story might be going, but

[13:28] I'm not going to spoil that, don't

[13:29] worry.

[13:29] >> we worked so hard to be like, "We're

[13:32] not, you know, big spoilers for the

[13:35] story." And then this announcement came

[13:37] out and it's like,

[13:39] "Woah, this is what happened."

[13:42] >> Yeah, it's like

[13:43] Yeah, so um

[13:45] >> [laughter]

[13:46] >> Zul'jan he's run off. He's trying to get

[13:48] Ulatek who's a big snake person who who

[13:50] is revealed in the in the questing in a

[13:52] couple of weeks. And um like oh oh was

[13:54] revealed obviously months ago if you

[13:55] watch this channel. Um and uh we're

[13:57] going we're going [ __ ] it, that's the

[13:59] end of 12.0.7 you'll be thankful to

[14:00] hear.

[14:01] >> There you go.

[14:02] >> We are now going to talk non-stop

[14:06] 12.1

[14:08] Curse of the Fangs of Ulatek.

[14:12] >> [laughter]

[14:12] >> Uh now I reacted to this live on stream

[14:14] yesterday when the news hit like at

[14:16] literally the exact time we thought it

[14:17] was going to. Yeah. So

[14:19] So we've just been doing this for a long

[14:20] time, haven't we?

[14:21] >> [laughter]

[14:21] >> You know, we've just been just been

[14:22] doing this game for a long ass

[14:25] >> time. Yeah. Now before we get into like

[14:26] the articles and the blue posts and

[14:29] things like that, just from like the a

[14:32] uh initial

[14:35] like um

[14:37] uh

[14:38] announcement,

[14:40] what do you think of the patch?

[14:43] >> I it it feels good to me. It made me

[14:46] excited. It made me smile. It made me

[14:49] go, "Oh, yeah. Heck, yeah." It did. Um I

[14:54] >> screen up.

[14:55] >> Uh

[14:58] I was delighted to see it, really.

[15:00] Every it it felt very welcome. It felt

[15:04] very soon after 12.0.7, but I'm I'm glad

[15:08] it's here. There's some really good

[15:09] stuff in there. There's some things that

[15:10] I'm confused by,

[15:12] namely the uh the new the changes to the

[15:15] world bosses being

[15:17] basically single boss raids, instanced

[15:20] >> raids, like the instance world bosses.

[15:23] An instanced world boss, therefore not

[15:26] really a world boss.

[15:27] >> Getting a bit specific there. What like

[15:28] what about your overall kind of

[15:30] >> Oh, the vibe is great. The vibe like the

[15:31] vibe is actually doing it for me. I

[15:33] didn't think I wanted to go underground

[15:36] into an enclosed space, but going into

[15:39] like a a green venomous uh

[15:42] like kind of temple zone looks super

[15:45] cool.

[15:45] >> Dude, it is so green.

[15:48] >> It's so

[15:48] green.

[15:50] >> Can I like honestly like when I went to

[15:52] make the thumbnail for this podcast like

[15:54] last night so I could kind of put it on

[15:56] there and schedule it and stuff like

[15:57] that. And it was so funny cuz I made it

[16:00] and I used this image like that I took

[16:02] from the trailer and stuff which is a

[16:03] lot like their image that they've used

[16:05] and I put the uh there's nothing on the

[16:07] the Blizzard press release site apart

[16:09] from the logo so far. So I put the logo

[16:11] on there and I put like, you know, some

[16:13] text on there and I I went to add it to

[16:16] our um

[16:17] uh

[16:18] podcast playlist and it was so funny cuz

[16:20] like our our playlist is really funny.

[16:22] When you when you schedule and you add a

[16:23] new video onto our playlist on that one

[16:26] for some reason it goes right to the

[16:27] bottom of the playlist.

[16:28] >> Oh.

[16:29] >> Okay. So I move I have to like manually

[16:30] move it up to the top, but that meant I

[16:32] was scrolling and dragging it past all

[16:35] of our other thumbnails

[16:37] uh like forever, but particularly as we

[16:39] were getting into like the last year

[16:40] it's just purple and blue and like, you

[16:43] know, and and just dragging this very

[16:45] very green and purple, but like

[16:47] different type of purple.

[16:48] >> Of course.

[16:49] >> Like it's not like a cosmic purple. It's

[16:51] like a voidy purple. It's like a a

[16:53] refresher's bar purple. In fact, this

[16:54] green and blue like color scheme they've

[16:56] got going on with Ulatek there is very

[16:57] refresher's bar. We go, you know, after

[17:00] school on a Friday in the '80s and '90s

[17:03] we get taken to Elan Penn's shop across

[17:05] the road from my old school and we'd be

[17:08] given 10 p each to spend on sweets cuz

[17:10] sweets only cost 1 p each then except

[17:12] refresher's bar. Refresher's bar was 5

[17:14] p.

[17:15] And you know, they were that like

[17:16] British school children of a certain

[17:18] age. You can't look at Ulatek without

[17:20] thinking, "Oh, it's a refresher's bar."

[17:22] >> Well, very nice.

[17:23] >> I I that reference is beyond me, but you

[17:25] know what? I'm

[17:27] Very nice.

[17:28] >> Nice.

[17:28] >> Um so, uh yeah, I like just so green,

[17:31] and it's going to be so green for so

[17:33] long.

[17:33] >> Yeah.

[17:34] >> Uh it will make me too.

[17:35] >> I'm I'm ready for some green.

[17:36] >> Yeah, absolutely. It's not like a fell

[17:38] green. It is this kind of a sickly point

[17:40] and screen.

[17:41] >> Nasty aesthetic, yeah.

[17:42] >> You know what? I think this is like a

[17:43] guaranteed hit, because if there's one

[17:45] thing gamers love, it's underwater

[17:48] swimming levels. But [laughter] if

[17:49] there's another thing that gamers love,

[17:51] it's poison.

[17:53] >> Yeah.

[17:53] >> They [ __ ] love it. If you want gamers

[17:55] to love your game, just put big, big

[17:58] pools of poison everywhere. A sea of

[18:01] poison. Everyone's favorite Elden Ring

[18:03] zone, the Scarlet Rot zone. Put that in

[18:06] there. Just get some poison in there.

[18:08] Get some It's a gamer's delight. We're

[18:11] going to have people sobbing from other

[18:12] games just cuz they heard there was

[18:14] loads of poison in this game. They're

[18:15] saying, "There's all this snakes and

[18:17] poison?

[18:18] Is it a really annoying ticking poison

[18:20] that just gets me everywhere I go?" And

[18:23] then you say, "Yes, gamers. Come on in.

[18:25] Come and join the fun." No, yeah, you

[18:27] don't need Guild Wars 3 anymore. Come on

[18:29] in.

[18:30] >> You know, there's something like kind of

[18:31] pleasingly old school about this

[18:33] announcement. It just made me feel It

[18:35] made me feel good.

[18:37] Uh some things made me feel really good.

[18:39] Some things made me go,

[18:41] >> Can Can we be real? Cuz like I we are

[18:43] going to touch on the old school feels

[18:45] of this um quite a lot. And I think part

[18:48] of that is because it's, you know,

[18:51] trolls, man. And I love me a troll raid,

[18:53] and I'm very biased, okay? Cuz I love a

[18:55] troll raid. I think like troll patches

[18:57] are the best patches, even though I

[18:58] don't play a troll, cuz I find their

[19:00] animations a bit annoying to play, but I

[19:01] love I love them. They're awesome. And

[19:04] like some of my favorite WoW stuff is

[19:05] troll stuff. It just feels old school,

[19:07] doesn't it?

[19:08] >> Yeah.

[19:08] >> It feels Indiana Jonesy. It It like

[19:10] classic fantasy. Yeah. It feels like

[19:12] >> And I

[19:14] >> Blizz clearly really leaning into this

[19:16] cuz can I be real for just a moment?

[19:17] That model of Ulatek there, like the

[19:19] main baddie of the patch, the final boss

[19:22] of the raid

[19:24] It's goofy and janky as [ __ ] isn't it?

[19:26] It's got like three polygons in

[19:28] >> I KNOW.

[19:29] >> THAT'S A proper [ __ ] TBC wrath troll

[19:32] [ __ ] boss right there. It's like It's

[19:34] like I feel like they made a much cooler

[19:36] model and then someone was like, "I

[19:37] thought we were going old school. Take

[19:39] away like 2/3 of those polygons, dudes.

[19:42] Let's go. Let's do this properly,

[19:43] right?"

[19:44] >> Yeah.

[19:44] >> It's some It's some janky goofy looking

[19:46] [ __ ] And all the snake people are goofy

[19:48] and janky looking as well.

[19:49] >> really are. Oh, especially the Delph

[19:52] boss, the new Delph boss.

[19:54] >> Oh, well. Okay. So, the new the well,

[19:57] okay. So, the new Delph Nemesis, you

[19:59] mean?

[19:59] >> Yeah, we got to talk about this.

[20:00] >> anything about the new Delph Nemesis?

[20:02] >> Uh

[20:03] >> Have you noticed anything about the the

[20:04] the new Delph Nemesis' um

[20:08] design?

[20:09] >> Yeah, his his model is like a funny

[20:11] chunky snake guy.

[20:12] >> what's he wearing? What's he wearing?

[20:13] What's he wearing? What's he wearing?

[20:14] What's he wearing?

[20:14] >> What's he wearing?

[20:15] >> I haven't I haven't checked it. Well,

[20:16] what is he wearing?

[20:17] >> Uh well, let me let me just bring him up

[20:20] if I can find him here.

[20:21] >> Okay.

[20:21] >> Uh cuz I I don't cuz I I have been on

[20:24] the PTR that has since launched as well.

[20:26] >> Yeah.

[20:27] >> And you know, I have had a look through

[20:29] the the raid boss list isn't up yet. But

[20:32] >> No.

[20:32] >> the uh dungeon boss list is up.

[20:35] >> Okay.

[20:36] >> And uh you know, the final boss of the

[20:39] new dungeon is exactly who I predicted

[20:42] it was going to be on stream.

[20:44] >> Uh okay.

[20:44] >> Um and

[20:46] uh I was pooh-poohed by many people in

[20:49] my stream. So, I was really keen to to

[20:51] get on it and I I went on it It's the

[20:53] first thing I looked at actually before

[20:55] even tier sets or anything like that.

[20:56] And um can I give a spoiler right now

[21:00] for PTR?

[21:00] >> Uh yeah, yeah, if you can. We'll warn

[21:02] the viewers

[21:02] >> right?

[21:03] >> viewers if you don't want to hear a

[21:04] spoiler.

[21:05] >> Uh the final boss of the dungeon is

[21:08] Zul'jan.

[21:09] >> Ah.

[21:10] >> Um, and if you look at I can't find it

[21:12] on the video right now, but if you look

[21:14] on the if you look at the delve Nemesis

[21:18] he he is goofy looking

[21:20] >> Yeah.

[21:21] >> and he is snake looking

[21:22] >> Yeah.

[21:23] >> but he does also seem to be wearing

[21:24] quite a bit of purple if I remember. Now

[21:27] maybe I've misremembered this cuz I just

[21:29] thought of it, but like

[21:30] >> you just look up uh

[21:32] Nemesis delve Nemesis?

[21:34] >> Yeah, yeah, sure. Uh,

[21:36] cuz I've got all these tabs open. Hang

[21:37] on. Um, why don't you look up delve

[21:39] Nemesis?

[21:39] >> Well, cuz I've got my screen up right

[21:41] now.

[21:42] Um, but yeah, I

[21:44] uh

[21:45] I I liked the look of him. He had a

[21:47] little

[21:48] >> Very goofy looking.

[21:49] >> a little like a goofy smiley face.

[21:52] A chunky snake. Now one thing we're not

[21:55] getting is playable snake people.

[21:57] >> Yeah.

[21:58] >> No, there's no no image for it anyway.

[22:00] >> Okay, you pull up your you pull up your

[22:01] screen. You you

[22:03] you pull up your screen and I'll go find

[22:04] it.

[22:05] >> One sec.

[22:08] >> We'll get him up there.

[22:09] >> Yeah, one one minute. Hang on.

[22:11] All right.

[22:12] >> There we are.

[22:13] >> Okay, let me pull up my screen.

[22:16] There we are.

[22:17] >> Okay.

[22:21] >> Uh

[22:24] Yeah, I'm I'm having real trouble

[22:25] finding it. I don't really want to sit

[22:26] here scrolling through a video.

[22:28] >> all right. Well, you keep talking then.

[22:29] >> Yeah, okay. Well,

[22:31] yeah, that's I mean that's it. That's

[22:32] the whole point really. He just looks

[22:33] like he might be Zul'jan to me.

[22:35] >> Zul'jan, ah.

[22:37] >> Yeah, he's dressed in Didn't you get

[22:38] that when I was saying like how he's

[22:39] dressed in purple? He was something.

[22:40] Look at him. He's dressed in purple and

[22:42] he is like he's he

[22:47] is very goofy looking. Almost like he

[22:49] used to be at There you go. Look. Look

[22:50] how look

[22:52] You don't

[22:54] Maybe not then. Actually looking at

[22:55] [laughter] it now I don't I don't I

[22:56] don't think so much actually. But to me

[22:59] Well, he's got he's got Yeah, okay,

[23:00] fine. He's got purple hair.

[23:02] >> Purple purple hair.

[23:02] >> Zul'jan's got purple hair, isn't he? No,

[23:04] he's got green hair or purple hair. I

[23:05] can't even remember now.

[23:07] >> [laughter]

[23:07] >> Oh, well, do you know what? I It must

[23:09] have been like a [ __ ] like fever

[23:10] dream that I had.

[23:11] >> It's It's possible. It's pos- I like

[23:13] your thinking, though. I enjoy your

[23:15] thought process.

[23:16] >> You don't think You don't think what I

[23:17] think is obviously like the the story of

[23:19] the dungeon is set before the raid,

[23:21] right?

[23:22] Uh, you know, cuz if we're dealing with

[23:23] Zul'jin. And here's the question, is

[23:25] Zul'jin going to turn into a big snake

[23:27] person and become the nemesis? Or is he

[23:30] going to be killed by us? Or well, he

[23:33] will be if he's a nemesis, but you know

[23:34] what I mean. Or is it going to be one of

[23:36] those like um

[23:39] beat them

[23:41] uh beat some sense into them kind of

[23:43] thing.

[23:44] >> Yes. Uh

[23:45] I think it's definitely going to be one

[23:46] of those.

[23:47] >> Yeah, WELL, IT'S DEFINITELY ONE OF THEM.

[23:48] I'm asking you which one.

[23:49] >> I didn't finish my sentence. [laughter]

[23:52] I think it's definitely going to be one

[23:53] of those. And now here's the rest of the

[23:55] sentence.

[23:56] >> [laughter]

[23:56] >> Beat them senseless.

[23:58] >> Oh, okay.

[23:59] >> Beat

[24:01] some

[24:01] >> sentence.

[24:02] >> Oh, I I tell you what, yeah, people

[24:04] pointed out in the chat cuz

[24:06] yeah people

[24:07] people are turning doing some amazing

[24:09] work. Proper data mining, not just

[24:11] looking at the data.

[24:13] They're already there. There's some some

[24:15] great data mining from Oh, yes, yes,

[24:17] yes yes.

[24:18] All working out.

[24:19] >> Yeah, so it's kind They're kind of Naga

[24:21] Naga

[24:22] >> Oh, here he is. Yeah, no, here he is.

[24:24] Okay. Do Do you want me to Do you want

[24:25] me to show you the one I was thinking

[24:26] of?

[24:26] >> Oh.

[24:27] >> Yeah, I I I hope you'll stop laughing at

[24:29] me now.

[24:31] That That's Zul'jin, right?

[24:33] >> It is.

[24:33] >> That's Zul'jin as a snake, right?

[24:35] >> It is. Now

[24:36] >> Yeah.

[24:37] >> that's just going to be temporary.

[24:39] >> [laughter]

[24:39] >> Like that's not, you know, he's going to

[24:41] He's going to

[24:43] take up the power right, he's going to

[24:44] take up the power of Ula'tek. He's going

[24:47] to wield it, and we're going to be like,

[24:49] "No, bad bad." And we'll beat it out of

[24:53] >> So, even now you've seen him as a snake?

[24:55] >> Yeah.

[24:55] >> Even now you've seen this, you still

[24:57] don't You still don't think we're going

[24:58] to kill him?

[24:59] >> Why can't I be a snake?

[25:00] >> I I do you know what? I dare say you

[25:02] will have that chance at some point.

[25:04] >> love to be a snake cuz it's basically

[25:06] the closest thing we're going to get to

[25:07] Naga.

[25:08] >> Okay.

[25:09] >> [laughter]

[25:09] >> Actual best case scenario here.

[25:12] He's like it is one of those beat him in

[25:14] like beat some sense into him fights.

[25:16] >> Yeah.

[25:16] >> And like he becomes a goody again and

[25:18] he's back on our side and he proves

[25:19] himself, right? And he redeems himself

[25:21] through his actions.

[25:22] >> Yes.

[25:23] >> But he's still a snake.

[25:24] >> Oh.

[25:25] >> Like we don't cure him of the snake

[25:27] [ __ ]

[25:28] >> Yeah.

[25:28] >> Like he's still a snake.

[25:30] >> Like someone's got to turn into a snake

[25:32] now right?

[25:33] >> He's just a snake.

[25:34] >> Someone's got to turn into the illithid,

[25:36] right?

[25:37] >> And we have like these voice lines with

[25:38] him and stuff and we're like, "Hey, how

[25:40] do you feel about being a snake?" And

[25:42] he's like, "Well, it kind of sucks, but

[25:44] it's kind of my own fault and actually I

[25:46] deserve it and actually it serves as a

[25:48] reminder to to myself of what a dick

[25:51] I've been and how I must strive to do

[25:53] better.

[25:54] >> Maybe. Maybe.

[25:55] >> And and also I can't you know, I don't

[25:58] have feet now and that kind of stuff.

[26:00] >> Just one foot.

[26:01] >> Yeah.

[26:02] >> [laughter]

[26:03] >> So but yeah, and Keyboard turns got some

[26:06] great stuff which we'll we'll go through

[26:08] in a bit probably actually.

[26:10] So

[26:10] >> But yeah, shall we go through what what

[26:13] is actually coming?

[26:13] >> announcement before we get into some

[26:15] like the weeds of it? Yeah, so obviously

[26:16] we've got the brand new zone which is

[26:17] the Coiled Isle.

[26:19] >> Uh

[26:20] >> Ah.

[26:20] Well, one niggle, I do not like the name

[26:22] Coiled Isle. I think it's

[26:24] Coiled Isle is like the word

[26:26] >> Isle of Fangs was right there.

[26:28] >> Isle of Fangs exactly. Coiled Isle is so

[26:31] >> be the Isle of Fangs to me, Evie.

[26:32] >> Is a is a fumble.

[26:33] >> These [ __ ] these [ __ ] zoomers,

[26:35] they can come along calling it the

[26:36] Coiled Isle as much as they like, but

[26:38] the real ones know what it's actually

[26:39] called. It'll always be the the Isle of

[26:42] Fangs.

[26:42] >> Yes.

[26:44] >> The Isle of Fangs.

[26:45] >> Yes, but it does look the the actual

[26:48] zone, the area looks super cool. I love

[26:51] like the mist over everything. I like

[26:54] how menacing and poisonous it is. Um

[26:58] kind of like stomach-turningly green.

[27:00] That is a really nice change from

[27:02] purple.

[27:03] >> Now, we have explored uh the outside of

[27:05] this island quite a lot um just just in

[27:08] game, not even on the on alpha or PTR or

[27:10] anything like that because, you know,

[27:11] you can do that with far sight. Thank

[27:13] you, shamans uh shaman. And uh and it's

[27:15] it's a substantial area outside once you

[27:17] get round the back. There's like loads

[27:19] of it

[27:19] >> Mhm.

[27:20] >> in the back. Uh but one of the

[27:21] interesting things about the zone as

[27:23] they describe it is that actually quite

[27:24] a lot of it I wonder how much. Um I

[27:27] mean, optimistically say like a quarter

[27:29] or a third or something is inside the

[27:32] big mountain. So, there's kind of like a

[27:36] almost like a uh a Zarelek thing going

[27:38] on in a way in that like there is

[27:40] outside zone, but there's inside zone as

[27:42] well with like twisty corridors and and

[27:44] but that's actually part of the zone and

[27:46] and and the events and stuff.

[27:47] >> Yes. And I never thought I would say

[27:48] this, but like it feels good to be going

[27:50] back inside. Like I just kind of want to

[27:52] go inside again. I've had all these

[27:54] beautiful exteriors. I've had all these

[27:56] like wonderful outside experiences.

[27:59] And outside in like the void, outside

[28:02] and you know, Quel'Thalas like and I'm

[28:04] like I'm ready to go back inside.

[28:06] >> Um I would like

[28:08] for for some cool something Indiana

[28:09] Jones [ __ ]

[28:10] >> delve right into the into the

[28:13] >> Oh, you you'll be delving.

[28:14] >> Oh, yeah.

[28:15] >> that ring of glory.

[28:16] >> All right, yeah.

[28:17] >> Like actually ironically the ring of

[28:18] glory is actually the outside zone. But

[28:20] that's you know,

[28:22] boo, just just kind of hovering around

[28:24] the outside of the ring of glory when

[28:25] really all you want to be doing is

[28:26] digging deep, you know?

[28:28] >> [laughter]

[28:29] >> It's right there. You almost taste it.

[28:32] >> Yep.

[28:33] Um

[28:34] >> [laughter]

[28:35] >> Yes.

[28:36] >> Um so, yeah, I find that that's kind of

[28:38] interesting. Um and the way they

[28:39] describe like the inside uh of uh the

[28:43] the the mountain is they call it like

[28:44] the vault of Ulatek, don't they or

[28:46] something? Uh

[28:48] >> Yes.

[28:49] >> It's the the Vault. The Vault of

[28:51] something. Vaults of Atal'Utech.

[28:53] >> Yeah.

[28:54] >> Um

[28:55] And the way they describe it in the uh

[28:58] the film,

[28:59] it sounds a bit like you might be going

[29:01] through a portal to get there. It feels

[29:04] like it might be kind of like its own

[29:06] thing. And I might be wrong, and I'll be

[29:08] happy to be I'll be very happy to be

[29:09] wrong, honestly. But like it feels just

[29:12] like there's something about the way

[29:13] they were talking about it. Maybe [ __ ]

[29:14] can give us their opinions on this as

[29:15] well. There's just something about the

[29:17] way they were talking about it that made

[29:18] it seem like it was kind of like

[29:20] semi-instanced,

[29:22] and that you go there and you get like

[29:24] get a loading screen, and it wouldn't be

[29:25] like that beautiful seamless Zandalar

[29:27] thing where you kind of fly through it,

[29:28] or that beautiful War Within thing where

[29:30] you're kind of like

[29:31] >> Really? I didn't I didn't get that

[29:33] impression.

[29:34] I think it's going to be pretty

[29:35] seamless.

[29:35] >> That's brilliant. I I'm going to trust

[29:37] your instinct on this.

[29:39] Cuz that that always proves to be so

[29:40] right. Like that bet we had about

[29:41] housing that I just got an answer from

[29:43] from Jesse Cox as well.

[29:45] >> I didn't

[29:45] >> But we'll get to that when we get to the

[29:46] housing. We'll get to that when we get

[29:47] to the housing. Um so, but I I think

[29:49] that's just a really cool, neat concept

[29:51] that a lot of this zone is outside, a

[29:53] lot of this zone is like in the [ __ ]

[29:54] mountain. And I think that's really

[29:56] cool. I think that's awesome. Um and uh

[29:59] you know, what have we got to look

[30:00] forward to, you know, in terms of

[30:03] content on this island, Evie?

[30:05] >> Yeah. How did you feel when you when you

[30:06] heard these words? Plunge into the

[30:09] Vaults of Atal'Utech, primed for

[30:10] challenging group content and rotating

[30:13] public events. Taking part in these

[30:15] public events will ultimately build up

[30:17] to a boss fight.

[30:18] >> I

[30:20] Do you know what? I I would I

[30:22] apologize to people who are only

[30:23] listening to this right now, but I wish

[30:25] to

[30:26] uh show you how that made me feel

[30:29] through the medium

[30:30] >> Oh.

[30:31] >> of interpretive dance.

[30:32] >> Oh. Uh-oh.

[30:34] Okay.

[30:35] It's going to

[30:36] >> You You You say the thing again, and

[30:37] I'll react to it. Cuz first of all, the

[30:39] dance starts

[30:41] All right.

[30:41] >> Yeah.

[30:41] >> The dance starts, and I'm very excited

[30:44] about the patch right. And then and then

[30:45] you be like Ian and and tell me about

[30:47] it.

[30:47] >> Ian Ian's here.

[30:49] Plunge into the vault of Etalutech

[30:51] primed for challenging group content and

[30:54] rotating public events. Taking part in

[30:56] these public events will ultimately

[30:58] build up to a boss fight.

[31:02] >> [laughter]

[31:04] >> I was like, wait, I've been doing that.

[31:06] That's exactly what I've been I've been

[31:08] I've been I've been doing that all day

[31:10] long. And then they and then and then

[31:13] they showed and then they showed the

[31:15] tree. And they're like, oh, and you'll

[31:17] have a tree. And I was like, no.

[31:20] He's already on the floor.

[31:22] >> [laughter]

[31:23] >> He's already on the ground. I know.

[31:25] I was like, wait.

[31:26] >> I

[31:27] >> You can't open with that.

[31:29] >> I when they said that,

[31:30] I melted. And look, here's the thing,

[31:33] right? Yeah, you want fun [ __ ] to do in

[31:35] the zone.

[31:35] You want fun [ __ ] to do in the zone. And

[31:37] of course it's going to be events and

[31:38] stuff like that. And you know, do you

[31:39] remember when we didn't have events and

[31:41] stuff in the zone? It

[31:43] sucked. It was really bad. But there's

[31:45] just something about

[31:47] I don't want to say cut and paste, okay?

[31:49] Cuz it's not cut and paste. But

[31:52] look at this look at this look at this

[31:55] out of proportion emotional reaction

[31:57] that literally everyone is having to

[31:59] and that should tell you why it's a bad

[32:01] like just it's just

[32:03] I wish they could have sold it a bit

[32:05] differently.

[32:06] >> I know. There's no way to

[32:07] >> just say it like it's the same thing.

[32:09] >> Yeah, there's no way to do it. There's

[32:10] no way to do it. There's no way to do

[32:11] it. There's no way to do it though

[32:13] because that's exactly what it is. It is

[32:15] exactly what we have just been doing and

[32:17] what we are doing in this patch. And you

[32:19] know what? That's fine because there's

[32:22] so much more going on, right?

[32:24] >> Artemis says, skipping a skipping a

[32:25] meeting for this. No, this is your

[32:27] meeting, Artemis. You're here right now.

[32:29] Glad you could make it. You don't have

[32:31] to turn your camera, it's fine.

[32:34] >> Just on voice for this one, guys.

[32:35] [laughter]

[32:37] Um yeah, so okay, fine.

[32:41] While in the zone, players will have

[32:42] access to a custom talent tree.

[32:44] >> Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,

[32:45] before we go on talent tree, I have to

[32:46] tell you you missed out the best thing

[32:48] about this rotating event, okay? Cuz it

[32:50] goes from place to place and you get

[32:51] elites like like spawning in the big

[32:54] poison pit.

[32:55] >> Yeah.

[32:56] >> Okay, and like you know, so like you you

[32:57] kill a bunch of mobs, you do little

[32:59] challenges and stuff probably like some

[33:01] of you will be like go and kick

[33:03] footballs into a goal.

[33:04] Go and pull flowers. You get to kill

[33:07] some mobs, well done, congratulations.

[33:08] And then the boss spawns and then you go

[33:10] and kill the boss, but you didn't you

[33:12] missed out I can't believe you missed

[33:13] out the huge innovation.

[33:15] >> Yeah, yeah.

[33:16] >> The huge innovation in this otherwise

[33:18] quite stock formula at this stage, once

[33:20] you've killed one of those bosses,

[33:23] for a little while you can fish in the

[33:25] pool where they were.

[33:26] >> Cursed fishing.

[33:27] >> Cursed being the operative WORD. LIKE

[33:30] WHY DO I CARE ABOUT THAT? THAT'S NOT A

[33:32] MAIN patch feature that like okay guys,

[33:35] so you kill the bosses, right? You kill

[33:37] the bosses, okay? And but but but but

[33:41] but

[33:42] sit down

[33:43] because once you kill the bosses you can

[33:45] fish there for a little bit.

[33:48] >> But it's cursed.

[33:49] >> That's a main patch feature. It's

[33:51] getting it's getting its own image.

[33:53] >> And

[33:54] >> on the blue post, it's getting its own

[33:56] [ __ ] section in the blue post.

[33:58] >> Look at that guy,

[33:59] look at this absolutely savage

[34:01] tortollan.

[34:02] >> Yeah, he is sick actually.

[34:03] >> Like he's like I mean he's the reason

[34:04] that I will do cursed fishing.

[34:06] >> [laughter]

[34:07] >> Now you might think his hat is clipping

[34:08] through his spiky head there, but he's

[34:09] just so badass he's fixed it to his head

[34:13] on the spiky clip.

[34:14] >> Yeah.

[34:15] >> Um so yeah, anyway, so that's yeah,

[34:17] look, I am sure

[34:19] I'm sure it's going to be good. Like I'm

[34:22] like the zone looks really [ __ ] cool.

[34:24] It's cool that there's stuff happening

[34:25] on the outside and the inside and all

[34:26] that. It's and like I'm

[34:28] I I accept

[34:30] that my emotional reaction is out of

[34:32] proportion. If you think this is out of

[34:34] proportion, wait until you hear about

[34:35] the Mythic Plus rotation.

[34:36] >> Oh. Oh.

[34:38] >> but but I am not the only one having

[34:39] this emotional reaction. And I feel like

[34:43] players' emotional reactions like this

[34:45] is something that Blizzard should be

[34:46] able to anticipate. And you know, it's

[34:49] like

[34:50] if if the content is going to be

[34:51] different, tell me. Cuz right now, in

[34:53] the way you've described it,

[34:55] it doesn't sound that different. And I'm

[34:58] not even saying that's a bad thing, but

[35:01] just try to make it sound different.

[35:03] >> Yeah.

[35:03] >> Make it sound like it's not the same

[35:05] thing I've been doing for three

[35:05] expansions.

[35:06] >> Yes. And there'll be there Yeah, you're

[35:08] right. There will be a purple triangle

[35:10] question marker over the gray fishing

[35:12] guy.

[35:13] >> [laughter]

[35:15] >> But no, he's going to be so cool.

[35:16] >> Forever. Forever. Until the day I die,

[35:18] there will be a purple question marker

[35:20] over the gray fishing guy.

[35:21] >> Okay, wait. We need another purple

[35:22] triangle just to throw in there to to,

[35:25] you know, linger [clears throat] in

[35:26] people's minds. But this time we're

[35:28] going to put one It's like literally

[35:29] going to be right next to like right

[35:31] next to the content.

[35:31] >> helps very like talking about all this

[35:33] [ __ ] It helps very the least for some

[35:34] really interesting sounding stuff as

[35:36] well.

[35:36] >> Well, I guess they just got it out of

[35:38] the way. They're like, "Listen, this is

[35:39] this is the This is the form. This is

[35:41] the shape of the thing. It will be

[35:42] familiar to you."

[35:44] >> I don't think that's a great way of

[35:45] presenting stuff. I think it should

[35:46] definitely be the other way around where

[35:47] the interesting stuff is at the front.

[35:48] But don't worry, Evie, cuz I know you're

[35:50] feeling a bit underwhelmed and you're

[35:52] feeling a little bit off-put by the

[35:55] rotating world events that culminate in

[35:57] a boss, even if you can fish there

[35:59] afterwards.

[35:59] >> Oh, yeah.

[36:00] >> Uh but don't worry, because we're about

[36:02] to pick this announcement right back up.

[36:04] Because also, there's a talent tree.

[36:05] >> Hey!

[36:08] This one has more than one node.

[36:11] It kind of looks like a snake. It's a

[36:13] snake! It's a cobra!

[36:16] >> [ __ ] it is.

[36:16] >> It's a cobra!

[36:18] >> You've never had a talent tree in the

[36:19] shape of a cobra before?

[36:20] >> Yeah.

[36:21] >> I don't know what you're complaining

[36:22] about.

[36:23] >> This one is a snake. The one we have

[36:24] right now is a straight line. which is

[36:26] pretty interesting.

[36:26] >> Well, actually actually, I guess every

[36:28] talent tree is kind of in the shape of

[36:29] snake.

[36:29] >> Okay, I take it back.

[36:31] >> Come on.

[36:32] >> [laughter]

[36:33] >> Oh, look. Look, again and again

[36:36] again I've got nothing against this.

[36:39] Especially because of how good the

[36:41] Omniom Folio is. Oh my god.

[36:43] >> Oh, I mean

[36:44] >> That that talent tree has changed the

[36:46] way I play the game.

[36:48] You know?

[36:48] >> Yeah.

[36:49] >> you Which one did you go for?

[36:50] >> Uh orbs.

[36:51] >> Yeah, do you know why? Because that's

[36:52] the only one that has a [ __ ] graphic.

[36:53] >> I didn't Oh.

[36:55] >> Light one has no visual feedback at all.

[36:57] It's literally Yeah, like the only way

[36:59] you know it's doing anything is if you

[37:00] literally check your DPS meter after a

[37:02] fight.

[37:03] >> Yeah.

[37:03] >> I did cuz I wanted to see which one was

[37:05] better. Like last night, we were kind of

[37:07] like doing lots of fighting obviously in

[37:08] our raid. And I I did some pulls with

[37:11] the

[37:12] orbs up and I did some pulls with the

[37:14] with the light flame up.

[37:15] >> Yeah.

[37:16] >> And uh well, the orbs contributed I know

[37:19] it's only the first like rune, right?

[37:22] And they get better. But the orbs

[37:24] contributed to sub-zero percent of my

[37:27] healing.

[37:29] >> That's nice. That's

[37:30] >> And sub-zero percent of my damage.

[37:32] >> Oh, okay.

[37:32] >> So like literally like 0.0 something of

[37:35] them.

[37:36] >> [laughter]

[37:37] >> Uh and I was like, "Well, okay. I guess

[37:38] I'm switching to the light. Everyone

[37:39] says that one's better."

[37:41] Uh and that one was marginally better

[37:43] but still sub-zero percent of my healing

[37:45] again.

[37:45] >> There you go. There you go.

[37:47] >> Um so, just [ __ ] game changer. And if

[37:50] this talent tree is as is as

[37:51] significant, then I think we are in for

[37:53] a treat.

[37:54] >> Well, I I think literally like one of

[37:55] the first nodes is like

[37:57] the poison doesn't really bother you

[37:59] anymore.

[38:00] >> Yeah, I mean, we'll see, right? But So,

[38:03] okay look.

[38:05] I Do you know what? I think is obviously

[38:06] there's some very strong reactions to

[38:08] this uh online as you might imagine.

[38:11] >> Yeah.

[38:12] >> Like and again

[38:13] perhaps disproportionate emotional

[38:15] reaction from the player base, but not

[38:16] an unpredictable disproportionate

[38:18] emotional reaction. And I I wouldn't

[38:20] even blame them cuz I have the same

[38:21] emotional reaction.

[38:22] I think if we think about it on its own

[38:24] terms, yeah, it's fun to have a thing

[38:26] that you're working towards, right?

[38:27] Throughout the patch and like

[38:28] >> Exactly. And it has to be a structure to

[38:30] it.

[38:31] >> up and that you're gearing up and like I

[38:32] I've often said that I think I would

[38:34] like to play with the idea, just

[38:36] experiment one time, of having some

[38:38] extra literal [ __ ] levels to level,

[38:41] as in like we're 90, maybe you got to 92

[38:44] or 95 or something. Like in a in a

[38:45] patch, just so we have something we're

[38:47] working through in in like a major

[38:49] patch. And this is kind of like a

[38:50] version of that in a way, right? And

[38:52] like I hate it when people are like,

[38:53] "Oh, more borrowed power. You said there

[38:56] would be no more borrowed power."

[38:58] Actually, a lot of comments using the

[39:00] exact same words to say that. Like

[39:03] Blizzard said they were done with

[39:04] borrowed power, yet here it is, which

[39:05] makes me think a YouTuber has said it in

[39:07] a reaction which they're kind of

[39:08] copying. But it's like,

[39:10] you know, I don't want to be that guy,

[39:13] but I am that guy, alas, and I have to

[39:15] live with it.

[39:16] You do want borrowed power in a patch.

[39:19] You don't want Blizzard to abandon

[39:21] borrowed power because gear is borrowed

[39:23] power. Like you want gear, don't you?

[39:26] You want tier set bonuses. Remember when

[39:28] we didn't have tier set bonuses? Do you

[39:30] remember how [ __ ] that was? Do you

[39:32] remember you remember Shadowlands? You

[39:34] remember not tier set bonuses?

[39:36] Like you want that shadow power. Like

[39:38] you want that borrowed power, okay? You

[39:40] want it. Um and like this this will uh

[39:43] this is you could make an argument and

[39:45] you'd be right if you made this

[39:46] argument that

[39:48] a talent tree like this, which is

[39:50] specific to the zone or the expansion,

[39:54] Blizzard getting very good at like

[39:56] reusing locations and zones now in other

[39:59] expansions. This is arguably less

[40:02] borrowed power than tier uh season two

[40:04] gear.

[40:05] Because season two gear and tier sets,

[40:08] you get in season two just like this,

[40:10] but then you replace it in season three.

[40:12] You won't replace this. This will always

[40:14] be here. Um when you whenever you go to

[40:16] the Isle of Thorns

[40:17] >> power with some play.

[40:18] >> even the Coiled Isle, right? Like it'll

[40:21] always be there. So if in many it is

[40:23] like a permanent upgrade when you're in

[40:24] this zone and it's literally less

[40:26] borrowed power than tier sets. It's less

[40:29] borrowed power than the gear you're

[40:30] going to get that season.

[40:31] >> Mhm.

[40:32] >> With that said, I understand the

[40:34] emotional reaction. And I tell you what,

[40:36] it's not even the the

[40:39] talent tree itself which is giving me

[40:41] that reaction. It's the cost. One green

[40:45] thing.

[40:45] >> Mhm.

[40:46] >> And you know what that one green thing

[40:48] cost makes me think?

[40:49] >> What?

[40:50] >> That you get one a week.

[40:52] You know?

[40:53] Like it makes me feel like

[40:55] >> Of course it's going to be time gated,

[40:56] right?

[40:57] >> Well well yeah, but like I mean

[40:58] everything's time gated to a certain And

[41:00] again, that's another thing where you're

[41:00] like, "Oh, time gating." But it's like,

[41:02] "Well, yeah, everything is time gated to

[41:03] a certain degree, but there's good and

[41:04] bad ways of doing it." And you know a

[41:06] bad way of doing it? Getting one of

[41:08] these tokens per week.

[41:10] And like upgrading one per week.

[41:12] >> a lot of weeks, right there.

[41:13] >> No, but it's also completely passive.

[41:16] Like you don't feel like you're earning

[41:18] it, you're just waiting for it, right?

[41:20] You know? Like it's like it's not

[41:23] like I honestly think it would be better

[41:27] if there was like a grindable artifact

[41:30] power element to this talent tree rather

[41:32] than just getting given a token every

[41:34] week that you then spend and you've done

[41:37] nothing. You feel no sense of

[41:38] achievement. That's okay in a point

[41:40] seven patch where it is just a content

[41:42] nerf, right? But as like this is your

[41:45] this is one of your power progressions

[41:46] for the patch, the major patch, you want

[41:50] to as a player feel like you're earning

[41:52] a little bit, right?

[41:53] >> Yeah.

[41:53] >> So like just being given it every week

[41:56] like you do with the Omnium Folio, yeah,

[41:58] fine. You have to go and do a ritual

[41:59] site. Yeah, you have to go and like one

[42:01] week you have to go and do a delve or

[42:03] whatever. But like you are basically

[42:05] just getting given it. Like I think

[42:07] there might be room here for a little

[42:10] bit of a a little bit of an AP style

[42:12] grind.

[42:14] >> Could be fun.

[42:14] >> Please don't hate me. I know I know 20%

[42:17] of you will be like, "Yeah, I I actually

[42:18] think you're right, Tali." And the rest

[42:19] of you will be like, "Hang him."

[42:21] Literally just murdered the rest of you

[42:23] are like [ __ ] Andor in season 1

[42:25] shooting shooting the guy. I'm like, "I

[42:27] think there's I think there's like room

[42:29] for an AP grind."

[42:30] >> [laughter]

[42:31] >> I think there's

[42:33] right, like say you could maybe earn the

[42:35] equivalent of two or three of these

[42:37] nodes per week or something. But it's up

[42:39] to you to kind of incrementally work up

[42:42] to that.

[42:43] >> than one a week cuz like how many nodes

[42:44] are there in total?

[42:45] >> there are loads of them. There are tons

[42:46] of them. I get what you're saying. It's

[42:48] you know, it's effectively the same

[42:49] thing, but just the way you acquire it

[42:52] feels different in that rather than

[42:54] getting one item, one green thing you

[42:56] get a you know, incremental path.

[42:58] >> I think having a grind where you can

[42:59] achieve something is really is good

[43:01] actually.

[43:01] >> Yeah.

[43:02] >> Oh, and yeah, obviously

[43:03] in this day and age it would be

[43:04] account-wide as well. So, that'd be

[43:05] brilliant.

[43:06] >> Yeah.

[43:07] >> But like, you know,

[43:08] those of you who only listen to our

[43:09] podcast and don't watch any videos or

[43:11] our streams or anything, you you will

[43:13] know that I I laugh a lot at ritual

[43:15] sites cuz I think they're dumb and I

[43:16] haven't really done any. I don't really

[43:18] see the point. But that's not to say I

[43:20] don't want them in the game, you know,

[43:21] they're just not for me. But in the last

[43:23] week I I got a character to max level

[43:26] and I wanted to just like gear them up

[43:27] in hero gear

[43:29] and I literally went out there and I

[43:32] spammed the ritual site that was up

[43:34] probably about 50 times. Like got all

[43:37] the field accolades I needed. And I

[43:38] loved it. I loved doing that. I loved

[43:40] that it was up to me. I loved that I

[43:42] could get as many field accolades as I

[43:44] saw fit. Like I wasn't capped. I wasn't

[43:47] like, "Oh, have you done the thing you

[43:48] need to do to earn your one field

[43:50] accolade this week which you can spend

[43:52] as you see fit and everyone basically

[43:53] gets it." No, I was like, "I need

[43:55] thousands of field accolades right now.

[43:57] So, I'm going to go out and get them. No

[43:59] one can stop me. It's going to take me a

[44:00] long time. It's going to be hard, but I

[44:03] did it and it actually felt really good

[44:06] because it's something that doesn't

[44:07] really exist in the game much anymore.

[44:11] >> That's a good point actually. Kind of a

[44:12] kind of in endless grind should you want

[44:15] it or need it, right?

[44:16] >> gives you a sense of control. It gives

[44:19] you a sense of What's the word I'm

[44:21] looking for? Not passiveness of of

[44:25] uh

[44:26] you know, being in control of of

[44:28] um

[44:31] you know, like

[44:31] >> agency

[44:32] >> Yes, thank you. Agency. Gives you a

[44:33] sense of agency. In that you know, you

[44:35] need you see a thing you need, you don't

[44:37] have to like there's no lockout you're

[44:39] waiting for, there's no cap on on you

[44:41] doing it. You just go out and get it.

[44:42] Like how Torghast just got a million

[44:44] percent better when they didn't cap how

[44:46] much like legendary dust or whatever it

[44:48] was you could get every week. And you're

[44:50] just like, "Oh [ __ ] I can now run this

[44:52] 50 times in a week if I want to."

[44:54] Yeah, and I'm I'm going to run it 50

[44:55] times this week and then I'm never going

[44:58] to run it again, but that's actually a

[44:59] much more enjoyable experience than

[45:00] being forced to run it twice per week

[45:02] forever.

[45:03] >> I got you. I got you.

[45:04] Yeah.

[45:05] >> Yeah, agency. I I I and I feel like with

[45:07] these talent trees, what certainly what

[45:09] the Omnium Folio lacks is agency cuz

[45:11] you're just like you're waiting for the

[45:13] week. And when the week comes, you're a

[45:14] bit more powerful. And then the next

[45:15] week comes, you're a bit more powerful.

[45:17] And it would be nice if they were just

[45:18] like just grind the [ __ ] out of it, man.

[45:20] >> Yeah.

[45:21] >> You know? Like like they did with dragon

[45:22] riding when Dragonflight launched. They

[45:23] were like, "No, you can just you can max

[45:25] out dragon riding day one. You can go

[45:26] fly around getting the shit."

[45:27] >> Just go for it. Yeah.

[45:28] >> Yeah. Like it felt awesome. It felt

[45:30] amazing. And it felt revolutionary cuz

[45:31] they hadn't been doing that. And we do

[45:33] seem to be getting back into this like

[45:34] just got to wait for it now.

[45:36] >> Yeah. I I get what you're saying though.

[45:37] I think there definitely is space for

[45:39] that kind of grind, that kind of mindset

[45:42] without it, you know, cuz they're all

[45:43] about like, "Hey, we want to make this

[45:45] accessible. We want to make it easy for

[45:49] you people who are busy playing other

[45:51] games." Haha haha as if you play other

[45:53] games. And living your lives. Haha. What

[45:55] lives? [laughter] Like you know, we want

[45:57] to Yeah, we want to like kind of

[45:59] streamline processes, but I think in

[46:01] doing that they've they've almost

[46:02] removed like the

[46:04] the greediness of the grind, right? So,

[46:07] I I get what you're saying there. I

[46:08] think there might be room for that.

[46:09] >> Yeah. I I I think so, too. Um so, people

[46:12] obviously having very strong emotional

[46:13] reactions to this altar of corrosion,

[46:16] uh but I guess we'll we'll have to wait

[46:18] and see how it how it hits um uh in

[46:20] testing and stuff like that.

[46:22] Um okay. So,

[46:24] uh yeah, here's the the rare elites that

[46:26] uh spawn

[46:27] >> Yeah. Layers.

[46:29] >> layers.

[46:30] >> layers.

[46:30] >> Now, this is the This is the This is the

[46:32] feature,

[46:33] you know, which is I Okay, so it's not

[46:35] an expan- major expansion feature, but

[46:37] it's a major uh patch feature.

[46:39] And you're like

[46:41] it's a bit like the feeling I got from

[46:44] Torghast when they announced it, from

[46:47] uh war fronts when they announced it.

[46:49] It's that feature where you're like,

[46:50] "Oh,

[46:52] I don't understand."

[46:54] >> Yeah.

[46:55] >> That's the kind of thing I'm going to

[46:55] really need to see happening.

[46:58] I love that it's a new idea. They should

[47:00] definitely have led with this, you know,

[47:02] because it's new. It's a new concept.

[47:04] It's a new idea. And you're like, "Oh,

[47:05] here's the new thing that the uh the

[47:06] zone is doing." Like, so can you explain

[47:09] uh what you understand about this to us,

[47:10] Abby?

[47:10] >> So, layers are

[47:12] >> [laughter]

[47:13] >> I think they they kind of maybe shot

[47:16] themselves in a foot in the feet

[47:18] >> in fins, in scales.

[47:20] >> Yeah. By describing these as world

[47:22] bosses or framing them as like evolved

[47:25] world bosses, because the concept of a

[47:27] world boss is it is in the world and it

[47:29] is out there and, you know, but like uh

[47:33] so, these are they say an evolution on

[47:35] world bosses in instances

[47:38] uh that are kind of around and uh but

[47:42] they have scaling difficulty.

[47:44] So, they go from

[47:45] >> Everything's got scales this [ __ ]

[47:46] patch mate.

[47:49] That's my second scale joke in two

[47:50] sentences, by the way.

[47:51] >> We've got a good weekly reset skit uh

[47:53] kind of that we can

[47:55] >> Oh, what we?

[47:56] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just something to do

[47:57] with like scaling. Oh, great.

[47:59] Yeah.

[48:00] Yeah, yeah. Done. Good. It's done.

[48:03] So, yeah. So, they are kind of they're

[48:06] kind of like delves delve locations.

[48:09] But with a big world boss in it that

[48:11] scales all the way up to mythic.

[48:13] Flexible mythic, mind you. Cuz that's

[48:15] how we roll now. We're flexible. 15 to

[48:18] 25 players.

[48:19] Uh

[48:20] and that's it.

[48:21] >> Yeah.

[48:21] >> They're they're kind of scaling

[48:23] difficulty world bosses and instances.

[48:26] >> They're called layers.

[48:27] >> If all this is is like standard world

[48:30] bosses but like instanced off

[48:33] >> Mhm.

[48:33] >> I don't like it.

[48:34] >> Mhm.

[48:35] >> Um

[48:36] If you'd told me and this is not how it

[48:38] works by the way. Like looking at the

[48:39] UI, this is not how it works.

[48:41] >> Mhm.

[48:42] >> A really modern MMO idea and what I

[48:45] think Guild Wars 3 is going to lean very

[48:47] heavily into

[48:48] is like auto dropping groups. I think

[48:51] Guild Wars 3 is going to be very much

[48:53] like you are out in the world auto

[48:55] grouping, auto dropping to like like

[48:58] instances, right? Like little little

[49:00] mini dungeons and like events and stuff

[49:02] like that. Yeah, exactly. I think

[49:03] they're going to lean really heavily

[49:05] into like the auto dropping of groups

[49:07] and stuff like that. And if you told me

[49:09] that's what they were doing here where

[49:11] you enter this kind of like

[49:13] space and you know, you drop into a

[49:16] group and maybe there's just like hordes

[49:18] of trash coming at you until the group

[49:19] is formed and then the boss kind of like

[49:21] yeah. That would sound really cool and

[49:23] fresh and modern and like

[49:24] >> Yeah, that would

[49:25] >> an interesting concept. And um

[49:27] but I don't think that is what it's

[49:28] going to be. I think it's going to be

[49:29] group finder. I think you're going to

[49:32] not have to join and and it will be kind

[49:33] of like auto find on the group finder

[49:35] like like world bosses are now, you

[49:36] know. Um

[49:38] but then you'll go in and yeah, if it is

[49:41] literally just a fix lag

[49:43] then I don't like it. If they're if if

[49:46] they use the opportunity to make these

[49:48] different. So, the fact that it scales

[49:49] up to mythic automatically makes it feel

[49:51] a bit different. You know, if they're at

[49:52] different difficulty levels. Are they

[49:54] going to be proper mechanics? Like, not

[49:57] raid boss level mechanics, but I'll see.

[50:00] Um, but, you know,

[50:00] >> not world boss mechanics, I think.

[50:02] >> If If I join a mythic world boss,

[50:04] >> Yeah.

[50:05] >> like, can I expect that we will need

[50:07] there to be healers in that group? That

[50:09] that we will need there to be tanks in

[50:10] that group? That I will need to know

[50:12] something about the mythic fight that

[50:14] I'm stepping into, otherwise I'm

[50:16] probably going to die.

[50:17] >> On the scale of like world boss and raid

[50:20] boss, where does this sit?

[50:21] >> Right.

[50:22] >> And that's a really fine line. I don't

[50:23] know what the answer is because, like,

[50:24] to a certain extent, content like this

[50:26] is super annoying if it's got too many

[50:28] mechanics and too much to know.

[50:30] >> want to like you know, I want to fly in.

[50:31] I want to go. I want to do it sometimes.

[50:33] But for people who want a challenge,

[50:36] >> are introducing a mythic difficulty, I

[50:38] think I think there is an expectation

[50:39] there that's like, "Okay, well, you

[50:41] might not survive if you don't know what

[50:42] you're doing here." Or if you're not

[50:43] geared enough. Or And I hope it's not

[50:44] just a case of, "Are you geared enough?

[50:47] Can you survive this damage?" Like, "Can

[50:49] you chip away at this this health?" I

[50:52] hope it is a thing of like, "Oh,

[50:53] mythic?"

[50:54] >> There's some mechanics.

[50:54] >> At the very least, it's like you have to

[50:56] know

[50:57] to all run off of the floor when the

[51:01] boss starts flashing red cuz the floor's

[51:02] about to disappear. Like, just something

[51:04] like that, right? You know? Like like

[51:06] the star dragon in Mists of Pandaria, in

[51:10] like

[51:11] Throne of Thunder, which I think the

[51:13] star dragon is like the perfect LFR

[51:16] boss, like the best LFR boss ever made.

[51:18] It's got like one mechanic where if you

[51:21] don't know it, you will die.

[51:23] >> Mhm.

[51:23] >> Like, that [ __ ] starts flashing,

[51:25] that floor is about to disappear. You

[51:28] know? Like, if you don't know that,

[51:30] >> Mhm.

[51:30] >> you will die.

[51:31] >> Yeah.

[51:31] >> And it's literally just a knowledge

[51:32] thing. And it's like, "Okay,

[51:34] it's a very easy mechanic. You just get

[51:36] off the floor before it disappears. But

[51:38] if you don't know, you are going to

[51:39] die." And like, the amount of times you

[51:41] see just like back in Mists, you saw

[51:43] just a whole LFR groups just plunging to

[51:45] their death. It's like, "Okay, now I

[51:47] know."

[51:48] You know? But like and I think that's

[51:49] perfect for LFR. Like one mechanic that

[51:52] you need to know that will kill you.

[51:54] >> Yeah.

[51:54] >> Um and it's super easy to deal with, but

[51:56] you have to know it.

[51:57] >> to know it. Yeah. So, you're not like

[51:58] chipping away for like 10, 20 pulls, but

[52:01] you you might not necessarily get it in

[52:03] the first one either.

[52:04] >> And so, Blizzard have to find that

[52:05] balance. I'm glad it's them having to do

[52:07] it, not me, cuz I can just talk [ __ ]

[52:08] about it, but I don't actually have to

[52:09] make it. Um where yeah, there is that

[52:11] thing of like, "Mm, okay, well, how how

[52:14] much are we expecting from our groups in

[52:15] Mythic?" Like how how much knowledge

[52:17] Like I suspect there'll be zero

[52:19] coordination needed, and I think that'll

[52:20] be the correct decision. But I think

[52:22] personal knowledge about where you have

[52:25] to stand when this thing happens. Like

[52:27] >> Mhm.

[52:27] >> "Oh, you need to stand behind a rock

[52:29] when this [ __ ] happens. You need to turn

[52:30] around and not be looking at the boss

[52:32] when they do the big flash." Right? Cuz

[52:34] otherwise you get dazed or something. Uh

[52:36] there's [ __ ] like that. Like and and

[52:38] finding that line between there is some

[52:41] level of challenge there, but also it's

[52:43] not just super [ __ ] annoying and

[52:44] impossible. Like I I don't envy them

[52:46] having to try and balance that.

[52:47] >> No. Um so, yeah. So, the it's this Oh,

[52:50] it's called the lair. The lair will be

[52:52] available for testing in a later PTR

[52:54] builds.

[52:56] >> Oh, the lair?

[52:57] >> The lair.

[52:58] But then it's also described as layers.

[53:00] I'm just reading it on this uh PTR post.

[53:03] Introducing layers.

[53:04] >> Yeah.

[53:05] >> Described as layers, but also the lair.

[53:06] I don't know. It could just This could

[53:08] just

[53:08] >> These ones are the these. These

[53:10] >> Yeah, I'm reading I'm reading a

[53:11] different uh different

[53:13] >> Oh, okay.

[53:13] >> post.

[53:14] >> Yeah, no, I think I think it's going to

[53:15] be multiple.

[53:16] >> Yeah.

[53:16] >> Yeah, for sure.

[53:17] >> Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure. Um yeah.

[53:20] >> So, the Ultra Fangs is the new dungeon.

[53:21] Three bosses. We know Spoiler, but we've

[53:24] already had it in this. We know that

[53:26] Zul'jan is the boss, the final boss of

[53:28] that.

[53:28] >> Nice.

[53:29] >> We know that he probably turns into a

[53:30] snake at some point.

[53:31] >> Sick.

[53:31] >> Hopefully he'll stay as a snake. I God,

[53:33] I really hope he stays as a snake.

[53:34] >> I I could go I could go either way.

[53:36] >> I'm so into the idea of him becoming a

[53:37] goody and being our friend now, and you

[53:39] know, helping us fight against the rest

[53:41] of like the void and the rest of the

[53:42] [ __ ] like thing, but being a snake

[53:45] now, I just think that would be really

[53:46] cool.

[53:47] >> I don't want to I don't want to punish

[53:48] him too much.

[53:49] >> No, but but he would actually like

[53:51] learn to love being a snake.

[53:53] >> Oh, okay.

[53:53] >> He'd be like, you know what and you

[53:54] know, like you go and talk to him in

[53:56] last Titan and you'd be like, how do you

[53:58] how you feeling about being a snake now?

[53:59] And he's like, you know what? I actually

[54:00] kind of like it. If someone chops my

[54:02] tail off, it grows back. And

[54:05] yeah, there's there's a good [ __ ] about

[54:06] it, man. Look how long my tongue is. I

[54:08] just feel like, you know,

[54:11] I always I always

[54:13] you know, I was always at odds with with

[54:15] some of my people and now that's kind of

[54:16] visualized, you know? It's like, yeah. I

[54:19] I think that's awesome. I think that's

[54:20] really really cool.

[54:20] >> Yeah. Yeah.

[54:22] >> I like it.

[54:23] And the venomous abyss and it's so

[54:24] green, it's so shiny, it's so trolly.

[54:27] There was some speculation when we were

[54:29] talking about this other raid, sorry.

[54:30] When we were talking about this on

[54:31] stream that there would be like Titan

[54:33] elements to this because obviously Okay,

[54:35] so Ulatek is the baddie. You had some

[54:37] thoughts about Ulatek.

[54:39] >> I did have some thoughts about Ulatek. I

[54:41] think Ulatek looks absolutely sick.

[54:43] >> Yeah, but like about their motivations

[54:45] and stuff.

[54:46] >> Oh, oh, yeah, before.

[54:49] Um

[54:50] Like I I you know, oh, right. So, the

[54:52] way that Ulatek was described in in the

[54:55] Wowcast is like Ulatek is a vessel of

[54:58] hatred. You can't say that cuz that's

[55:00] Diablo. Ulatek is

[55:02] Ulatek is full of hatred and venom and

[55:07] and you know, Zul'jin

[55:09] >> creature of hatred, corruption, and

[55:12] venom.

[55:13] >> There you go. Has been unleashed by

[55:15] Zul'jin's actions. Okay, a bit of a

[55:17] spoiler. Now, the way the way they're

[55:19] framing

[55:20] >> wait for that story quest in two weeks.

[55:21] I wonder what's going to happen.

[55:24] >> So, you know, the way Ulatek is framed

[55:26] is like bad, very bad Ulatek. Obviously,

[55:29] Ulatek is going to be a boss, the final

[55:31] boss of the raid.

[55:33] And I think you You

[55:36] I want to think that we're not just in

[55:39] it to destroy Ula'tek. Well, I think

[55:41] there's more of like a you know, maybe

[55:43] there's a bit of

[55:45] redemption is the wrong word. Like

[55:47] you know, maybe maybe we set Ula'tek

[55:49] free. Like maybe we need to you know

[55:52] >> It's pretty pissy that she's down there

[55:53] honestly, if you think about it.

[55:54] >> Yeah, yeah. And uh

[55:56] >> They they summoned her from the rift of

[55:57] Aln.

[55:58] >> Yeah.

[55:58] >> And then she defeated the big K'thirix

[56:01] monster for them. And then they were

[56:03] like, "Well, she's mean."

[56:04] >> Yeah.

[56:05] >> with the big K'thirix monster. And you

[56:07] know what? I think you might be on to

[56:08] something. There is some data mining out

[56:09] there apparently with big spoilers. So,

[56:11] I haven't read that yet. I haven't had a

[56:12] chance to catch up on that yet. I didn't

[56:13] actually know that was there. So, this

[56:15] is your chance guys who are aware of the

[56:17] data mining to judge these predictions

[56:21] uh virgin and pure as they are.

[56:22] >> don't spoil people in the

[56:23] >> Don't spoil in the chats. I don't want

[56:25] to know. I'm going to look it up myself.

[56:26] >> to know.

[56:26] >> But yeah, I mean look, there is there is

[56:28] someone

[56:30] very very conspicuous by their absence

[56:33] here.

[56:33] >> Mhm.

[56:33] >> Because we know that Ula'tek was locked

[56:36] away with K'thirix, the baddie that she

[56:39] was fighting. And there doesn't seem to

[56:40] be any K'thirix in this raid.

[56:42] >> Mhm.

[56:43] >> Like I'm just saying, the final boss is

[56:46] Ula'tek and that means, you know,

[56:49] is there someone you forgot to ask?

[56:51] >> Yeah.

[56:51] >> [laughter]

[56:52] >> I consent I consent, but K'thirix is

[56:54] like,

[56:55] "Did you forget to ask?"

[56:56] >> So, they've So, they've listed

[57:00] uh Venomous Abyss Raid testing schedule.

[57:02] >> Ooh.

[57:03] >> Uh and with it of course they've listed

[57:05] the bosses. Okay.

[57:06] >> Um

[57:07] >> And

[57:08] uh we have Nixxondra, the Soul Coiler.

[57:10] >> Mhm.

[57:11] >> The Tortollan Explorer.

[57:13] >> No.

[57:14] >> I'm not fighting Tortollans.

[57:15] >> No.

[57:15] >> I'm not FIGHTING TORTOLLANS.

[57:16] >> NO.

[57:17] >> AW, MAN. OKAY, Entombed Sentinels.

[57:21] >> Cool.

[57:21] >> Nice. Uh

[57:23] >> The Unwilling Vessel sounds [ __ ]

[57:25] awesome.

[57:25] >> Yeah, exactly. Well, that's where I get

[57:26] So,

[57:27] >> Yeah, Zorak, Vashj'ir the Malignant, The

[57:30] Twin Fang.

[57:31] >> Don't say the the name of the first one

[57:33] right at the very top cuz that's a

[57:34] spoiler I I've been really good at not

[57:35] spoiling.

[57:36] >> Ah, okay.

[57:37] >> Okay.

[57:37] >> Uh, and uh,

[57:39] the you know, the the last boss

[57:43] Ulatek is called the unwilling vessel.

[57:46] >> Is that Ulatek?

[57:47] >> I think so.

[57:49] >> 1 2 3 4 5 6 That's seven bosses.

[57:51] >> Yeah. Oh, no. Okay.

[57:52] >> So, Ulatek is

[57:54] What Ulatek won't be tested for the

[57:55] unwilling vessel if the unwilling vessel

[57:57] is not Ulatek it's someone else.

[57:58] >> Yeah. But

[57:58] >> unwilling vessel could be anything. It

[58:00] could be like

[58:00] >> It could be

[58:01] >> necessarily need to be like lore

[58:03] important, but equally it could be very

[58:05] lore important. Absolutely. Yeah,

[58:07] exactly.

[58:07] >> Um

[58:08] >> Interesting.

[58:09] >> um, so yeah, so my my thinking is, you

[58:11] know, my hope is that we don't just go

[58:13] there and just murder Ulatek. Like Like

[58:17] >> [laughter]

[58:17] >> Like I I just I just don't I don't I

[58:19] don't want that to happen, right?

[58:21] >> Yeah, I know. So, Ulatek Okay, people

[58:23] asking in chat where we know Ulatek

[58:24] from. So, it's actually a really

[58:26] interesting story. Ulatek, um,

[58:30] in the original drawings of the maps,

[58:33] the concept maps for vanilla wow,

[58:35] >> Mhm.

[58:35] >> like uh, the original concepts, Zul'Aman

[58:38] is there, Eversong Woods is there, Kul

[58:40] Tiras is there,

[58:42] uh, and there is this big island off the

[58:44] east coast of uh, Zul'Aman called the

[58:47] Isle of Fangs.

[58:49] Uh, and you know, Ulatek is said to be

[58:51] there, who is

[58:53] at that point a snake loa.

[58:55] >> Yeah.

[58:55] >> Now, later on that obviously never made

[58:57] it to vanilla. Obviously never made it

[58:58] to BC.

[58:59] But then in the RPG,

[59:02] uh, the Warcraft RPG, which obviously

[59:04] isn't canon unless they decide it is

[59:07] like they did with Derek Proudmoore.

[59:09] >> Oh, yeah.

[59:09] >> Um,

[59:10] Derek Proudmoore Katrana Proudmoore

[59:12] Katrana, I think it was from the RPG.

[59:14] Um,

[59:15] um,

[59:17] there it went into a bit more detail

[59:18] about Ulatek. She you know, she wasn't

[59:21] quite a loa, she was actually summoned

[59:22] in the RPG by the Dark Iron Dwarves to

[59:26] be a partner for Ragnarok.

[59:30] >> Oh, is he lonely?

[59:33] >> I mean, they were like, "We can get you

[59:35] a partner.

[59:36] And we're filling out your

[59:37] dating profile. And we're like, "What

[59:39] are you really looking for in a

[59:41] partner?" And he's like, "Snake [ __ ]

[59:44] honestly. Just just snake [ __ ] please.

[59:46] That'd be awesome."

[59:48] And and so and and that was kind of the

[59:49] end of it, right? But, you know, in

[59:51] Chronicle,

[59:53] we learned that Kith'ix was buried under

[59:56] Zul'Aman,

[59:57] which

[59:58] kind of, you know, added an extra

[1:00:01] element there as well.

[1:00:03] And then, in BFA,

[1:00:06] there is, in the Sethrak zone, or this

[1:00:09] part of the zone, there is You know that

[1:00:11] when you when you release Mythrax,

[1:00:14] >> [clears throat]

[1:00:15] >> who is also a Black Empire general, and

[1:00:17] he attacks like the Ziggurat and stuff

[1:00:19] like that.

[1:00:21] Well, obviously, the part of the zone

[1:00:23] where you summon him by mistake in BFA

[1:00:25] is called the Isle of Fangs.

[1:00:28] And in the original data,

[1:00:32] the Mythrax model was called Kith'ix.

[1:00:35] So, it seems like in BFA, they were they

[1:00:37] were going to do

[1:00:39] They were like, "Oh, well, we we cut all

[1:00:40] the

[1:00:41] We're never going to go back to

[1:00:42] Zul'Aman. We're never going to do all

[1:00:44] this stuff. So, let's just put it in

[1:00:46] like Zandalar instead and do that. Isle

[1:00:50] of Fangs, Kith'ix, let's go.

[1:00:53] Snake people, you know." And then and

[1:00:55] then at some point, they obviously got

[1:00:56] cold feet on that, and they were like,

[1:00:57] "Ah, actually, no, no, we might go back

[1:00:59] to Zul'Aman. Let's change it Change it

[1:01:00] up Change it up." And they forgot about

[1:01:01] the Isle of Fangs, but they changed

[1:01:02] Kith'ix to Mythrax and like all that.

[1:01:05] So,

[1:01:06] we're back on Kith'ix now, and Kith'ix

[1:01:07] is

[1:01:08] confirmed to be a thing, like confirming

[1:01:11] the Chronicle thing, in the the quest

[1:01:13] which comes in a couple of weeks, which

[1:01:15] no spoilers, but who knows what's going

[1:01:16] to happen. And um

[1:01:19] Yeah, they they They

[1:01:20] Ulatek to defeat him from the rift of

[1:01:23] Aln. So, she's just like a scared

[1:01:24] monster like all the monsters are after

[1:01:25] the rift of Aln, right? And

[1:01:28] and she did

[1:01:29] and she was like, "Hey, I beat you guy

[1:01:31] for you." And they went, "No, you're

[1:01:32] scary. Get in there with him."

[1:01:34] >> [laughter]

[1:01:35] >> And

[1:01:36] and so, yeah, I I think your theory that

[1:01:38] she you know, she's just like she just

[1:01:40] wants to be let out, honestly.

[1:01:41] >> Yeah. Yeah. She does. She does. And I

[1:01:44] think and I think the unwilling vessel

[1:01:45] is Zul'jin.

[1:01:46] >> You reckon?

[1:01:47] >> I think so.

[1:01:47] >> Oh, as a snake man?

[1:01:48] >> Yeah, I think she I think, you know,

[1:01:51] he's imbued with power against his will.

[1:01:53] >> Uh yeah, you know what? You're probably

[1:01:56] right.

[1:01:56] >> think so.

[1:01:57] >> I think that could be Zul'jin as well.

[1:01:59] Then he'd be a dungeon boss and a raid

[1:02:00] boss.

[1:02:01] What a dude. Has anyone been a dungeon

[1:02:03] boss and a raid boss in the same patch?

[1:02:05] That's awesome. That's That's hot.

[1:02:07] That's hot [ __ ]

[1:02:08] >> Yeah.

[1:02:08] >> Yeah.

[1:02:09] >> I mean, I I love Zul'jin. I think he's

[1:02:11] super cool. So.

[1:02:12] >> Yeah. Um so, anyway, that's the thing

[1:02:13] behind Ulatek. And yeah, so it makes me

[1:02:16] think like the conspicuous lack of

[1:02:19] Kith'ix here and your theory that Ulatek

[1:02:22] could actually turn out to be okay.

[1:02:23] >> Mhm.

[1:02:24] >> Uh like it makes me think about that one

[1:02:26] boss raid that's coming in 12.1.5.

[1:02:30] And it feels like that would be perfect

[1:02:31] for Kith'ix.

[1:02:33] You know, we we kind of like

[1:02:37] you know, settle Ulatek down. She's all

[1:02:39] like,

[1:02:41] "Ah

[1:02:41] uh well, I don't like these troll guys

[1:02:43] cuz they locked me in here, but you seem

[1:02:45] okay. You're powerful. I respect that.

[1:02:47] Whatever." And then Kith'ix is also

[1:02:49] released and he's like, "Hey, do you

[1:02:50] want to help us beat Kith'ix?" And she's

[1:02:51] like, "I [ __ ] love beating Kith'ix.

[1:02:53] Let's go." And then maybe she helps us

[1:02:55] out in the in the raid, right?

[1:02:57] >> Yeah. Maybe.

[1:02:58] >> Could be.

[1:02:59] >> Yeah. Maybe. Who knows?

[1:03:00] Could be. Um I It is a rich vein. I'm

[1:03:04] I'm

[1:03:04] >> Like I said, we haven't seen those those

[1:03:06] data mining spoilers yet. So.

[1:03:08] >> So, we could we could be completely off

[1:03:09] the mark.

[1:03:10] >> Yeah.

[1:03:10] >> Yeah.

[1:03:12] >> [laughter]

[1:03:13] >> No, there are no people sitting here

[1:03:14] like that. That was 10 minutes we talked

[1:03:15] about that [ __ ] and they're so off the

[1:03:16] mark. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[1:03:17] >> [laughter]

[1:03:19] >> Um yeah, so

[1:03:21] uh the Venomous Abyss Altar of Fangs

[1:03:24] dungeon uh raid. Uh new delves.

[1:03:27] >> The Ring of Glory.

[1:03:31] Oh, actually it looks like the ring I I

[1:03:33] said the Ring of Glory Oh, no, the Ring

[1:03:34] of Glory is now side one. Lots of ghosts

[1:03:36] cheering in the Ring of Glory.

[1:03:38] Yeah, all the people that have died in

[1:03:40] the Ring of Glory, they they still love

[1:03:42] the Ring of Glory so much they they

[1:03:44] can't stay away. They keep coming back

[1:03:45] for a bit of Ring of Glory.

[1:03:47] And they're like Ring of Glory. Ring of

[1:03:50] Glory. Let's go. I'm going to be farming

[1:03:53] that Ring of Glory. I'm going to be

[1:03:54] farming

[1:03:54] >> welcome to uh Touchpad Warriors raid.

[1:03:57] Welcome.

[1:03:58] >> Oh, the Touchpad Warrior. Hi, sorry.

[1:04:01] Nice to see you. We're talking about the

[1:04:02] Ring of Glory.

[1:04:04] >> So you'll feel right at home.

[1:04:06] >> Yeah. Um

[1:04:08] >> [laughter]

[1:04:08] >> It's like

[1:04:09] Touchpad Warrior's alarm went up. It was

[1:04:11] like someone's talking about the Ring of

[1:04:12] Glory. Let's get to the to the glory

[1:04:14] mobile.

[1:04:16] To the Touchpad copter. Let's go.

[1:04:19] >> [laughter]

[1:04:20] >> Um yeah, I don't I'm going to be farming

[1:04:22] the [ __ ] out of the Ring of Glory. Oh,

[1:04:24] wait. Hang on. I didn't

[1:04:25] That one I didn't [laughter] mean.

[1:04:27] But I will be. There's going to be not

[1:04:29] There's not going to be a smidgen of

[1:04:30] loot left in that. I'm going to I'm

[1:04:32] going to clear that one out. Oh my

[1:04:35] goodness. I'm going to pillage that Ring

[1:04:37] of Glory.

[1:04:40] Me and Balera.

[1:04:43] >> Oh, I forgot that she's there with you.

[1:04:45] >> Yeah, she's coming. Oh, she wouldn't

[1:04:46] miss this one. Are you kidding?

[1:04:49] She wouldn't shut up about the Ring of

[1:04:50] Glory.

[1:04:51] Wouldn't she know?

[1:04:54] >> Oh, wait. That That reminds me. So we

[1:04:57] will talk about delves in a second, but

[1:04:58] there's more prey. But I love how they I

[1:05:01] love how they position prey. They're

[1:05:05] like "Good news, everyone. Astalor has

[1:05:08] some new lines."

[1:05:10] >> [laughter]

[1:05:11] >> Get your [ __ ] mate.

[1:05:12] >> Um

[1:05:13] >> It's like join me in the ring of glory.

[1:05:16] >> Yes, please God, please.

[1:05:18] >> Uh I know that actually some interesting

[1:05:19] things about hunts which we'll we'll get

[1:05:20] on to in a second. But um uh yeah,

[1:05:23] but I'm I'm finished talking about this.

[1:05:24] Um so I think I think a Valera will

[1:05:27] obviously have some new levels and stuff

[1:05:29] to really just like lubricate the

[1:05:31] process of of

[1:05:33] uh you know, looting the ring of glory.

[1:05:36] Just uh kind of like, you know, like

[1:05:38] grease the wheels a little bit.

[1:05:40] >> Oh.

[1:05:40] >> So when you're plunging in there,

[1:05:42] really just kind of like

[1:05:46] >> Well.

[1:05:48] Anyway,

[1:05:49] >> delving deep.

[1:05:50] >> Are you done?

[1:05:50] >> Mm yeah.

[1:05:51] >> Okay.

[1:05:54] So Ring of Glory, Nar'alador Isle.

[1:05:57] >> Now Nar'alador Isle I know I'm rocking

[1:05:58] an awesome name.

[1:05:59] >> Yeah, Nar'alador Isle is perfect. And

[1:06:01] the Venomfall Deeps is the Oh, Venomfall

[1:06:04] Deeps is the Nemesis boss.

[1:06:06] >> I don't know. I think it's harder than

[1:06:07] the last Nemesis.

[1:06:09] Two easy. I I actually two shot that and

[1:06:11] I would have one shot it if I'd been

[1:06:13] paying attention.

[1:06:13] >> [laughter]

[1:06:15] >> I know, I would have one shot it if I

[1:06:17] hadn't just switched from No, that was

[1:06:20] it. I went in a shadow.

[1:06:21] >> Yeah.

[1:06:22] >> And like halfway through the fight, I

[1:06:24] was like

[1:06:25] huh, this is pretty easy. If I was to

[1:06:27] switch to disc, I would one shot this.

[1:06:31] Like I like if I was discipline priest,

[1:06:33] this this guy would not be touching me.

[1:06:35] And this was on like the hardest

[1:06:36] difficulty right?

[1:06:37] >> Mhm.

[1:06:38] >> And it was thinking about that that

[1:06:39] distracted me and I died. And then I

[1:06:41] swapped to disc, but I pulled him

[1:06:45] just swapped from shadow to disc, right?

[1:06:46] So I had zero mana. Your mana goes to

[1:06:48] zero. And I pulled him and I hadn't

[1:06:50] noticed.

[1:06:51] >> Oh.

[1:06:52] >> And I tried to cast some spells. I'm

[1:06:53] like, oh, I can't cast spells right now.

[1:06:55] Oh, [ __ ] I didn't get my mana back

[1:06:58] after changing spec, but I still one

[1:07:00] shot him as disc even though I had zero

[1:07:02] mana.

[1:07:02] >> Well done. [laughter]

[1:07:03] >> On the hardest difficulty, yes. And I

[1:07:04] was like, that's probably a bit too

[1:07:06] easy, isn't it? And that was week one.

[1:07:07] It wasn't like I was geared up or

[1:07:08] anything.

[1:07:09] >> No, exactly. So I I was like, yeah, I'd

[1:07:11] like I'd like to see it maybe be a teeny

[1:07:12] tiny bit bit harder.

[1:07:14] >> this new guy, I'm a big fan of his silly

[1:07:17] little face.

[1:07:18] >> He's so goofy.

[1:07:19] >> He's so

[1:07:20] >> [laughter]

[1:07:20] >> And love how And he's not goofy in a

[1:07:21] [ __ ] way like the Dominos. He's goofy in

[1:07:23] a brilliant way.

[1:07:24] >> Exactly.

[1:07:24] >> Yeah. It's like you don't have to be

[1:07:26] [ __ ] just cuz you're goofy.

[1:07:27] >> Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Um I I really

[1:07:29] love the look of him, so I hope he's

[1:07:31] going to be a fun nemesis boss.

[1:07:33] Um and they're going to be introducing

[1:07:35] new snake and venom variants.

[1:07:37] >> Love that.

[1:07:37] >> Existing delves.

[1:07:38] >> great in War Within when all the delves

[1:07:40] just became really like gobliny all of a

[1:07:41] sudden. It was like It was It was cool.

[1:07:43] >> Yeah. I like that. Yeah.

[1:07:44] >> Um and then Midnight season two

[1:07:46] Okay.

[1:07:48] We're going to fly through this cuz I

[1:07:48] want to get to like the new stuff that's

[1:07:50] been in like posts and stuff like that.

[1:07:51] But we've been talking about out of

[1:07:54] proportion emotional reactions and how

[1:07:55] justified they are, honestly, and how

[1:07:56] it's not actually our fault.

[1:07:57] >> Absolutely.

[1:07:58] >> I think probably the biggest

[1:08:00] uh emotional reaction from many of us

[1:08:03] came when we saw this [ __ ] dog [ __ ]

[1:08:05] mythic plus rotation.

[1:08:06] [ __ ] this [ __ ] Now, things I like about

[1:08:10] it, honestly. The new dungeon of the

[1:08:11] Franks, yeah. New dungeon in the mythic

[1:08:13] plus rotation always good. Like

[1:08:15] completely fresh, completely new. No

[1:08:16] one's even seen it before. Brilliant.

[1:08:17] That's like the the highlight of the

[1:08:19] mythic plus season for me. Last time we

[1:08:20] had that Well, actually last time we had

[1:08:22] that was in Echo Dome, but Echo Dome was

[1:08:23] a good dungeon, as well. I enjoyed that

[1:08:25] in the mythic plus rotation.

[1:08:26] >> You know what? Yeah.

[1:08:28] >> Uh the Waterworks one, the Operation

[1:08:30] Floodgate, one of the best dungeons in

[1:08:32] the entire game.

[1:08:33] >> Okay.

[1:08:33] >> Like so good.

[1:08:35] Love that Yeah, yeah, I know. I I don't

[1:08:36] think that's a controversial opinion. I

[1:08:37] think a lot of people would agree. Um

[1:08:40] Ultra Franks, who knows if it's going to

[1:08:42] be good, but I love that it's there.

[1:08:44] Brilliant. Happy about that. Murder Row,

[1:08:46] bang a [ __ ] dungeon. Potentially the

[1:08:48] best dungeon in this expansion. That

[1:08:51] [ __ ] is legit. The bosses have like

[1:08:53] super fun mechanics even on the very low

[1:08:54] difficulties. Yeah. Like it's got a kind

[1:08:57] of wandering around town bit, but it's

[1:08:58] not annoying like the Suramar dungeon.

[1:09:00] It's like very It's quite streamlined.

[1:09:02] People are going to hate like the job

[1:09:03] bit, but maybe they'll scale that down a

[1:09:04] bit for the next season. Exactly. And

[1:09:07] like yeah, brilliant. [ __ ] I I love

[1:09:09] Mother Ro. I think it's going to be one

[1:09:10] of the most fun Mythic Plus dungeons of

[1:09:12] the entire season.

[1:09:13] >> And I also love the idea of like making

[1:09:14] really really high key pushers like

[1:09:16] literally sweep the floor. You know,

[1:09:18] it's like it's like no no no. You

[1:09:21] >> [laughter]

[1:09:21] >> you sweep this floor. You serve those

[1:09:23] guests.

[1:09:24] >> Den of Nalorak can [ __ ] right off. That

[1:09:26] can eat [ __ ]

[1:09:27] >> Oh, I know. That's a shame, isn't it?

[1:09:29] >> of Nalorak in [ __ ] concrete and fire

[1:09:32] into the sun. Wrap it up in like

[1:09:35] like a a nuclear waste container and

[1:09:38] dump it in the North Sea. No, I want to

[1:09:40] love Den of Nalorak. It's the best

[1:09:42] looking dungeon in the entire

[1:09:45] expansion. It looks so great. I love the

[1:09:47] whole concept of it.

[1:09:48] But in practice, it's miserable. On on

[1:09:52] like lower difficulty levels, it's so

[1:09:55] miserable. And you just know if you've

[1:09:57] ever played a Mythic Plus dungeon in

[1:09:59] your life, you know how much that is

[1:10:01] going to [ __ ] suck. It's got the

[1:10:04] worst gauntlet I've ever seen in a

[1:10:06] dungeon. Like the blowy snow gauntlet.

[1:10:09] It blows. It's horrible. It's terrible.

[1:10:11] I I hate it. It's going to be bad. No

[1:10:13] one's going to like it. The Blinding

[1:10:14] Veil potentially a really really good

[1:10:16] Mythic Plus dungeon, I think. Like I I

[1:10:18] always love going in there. Void Scar

[1:10:19] Arena could could really go either way,

[1:10:21] honestly. Yeah.

[1:10:22] >> Yeah.

[1:10:22] >> And then we get into the returning

[1:10:23] dungeons, which I was really looking

[1:10:25] forward to cuz I think that I think the

[1:10:26] season one set such a good precedent

[1:10:29] with its returning dungeon.

[1:10:31] >> Yeah, nice thematic.

[1:10:32] >> Well, not only that, but it had two

[1:10:33] dungeons

[1:10:35] like in in Spires of Arak and Pit of

[1:10:38] Saron that had never been Mythic Plus

[1:10:41] dungeons before. They were old dungeons

[1:10:42] that had never been Mythic Plus. So, it

[1:10:43] felt like two new Mythic I was literally

[1:10:45] two new Mythic Plus dungeons. And it

[1:10:47] felt brilliant. I thought I thought

[1:10:50] that was a sign of things to come. I

[1:10:53] That filled me with hope. I was like,

[1:10:55] "Oh, this is a thing they're doing.

[1:10:56] They're going back and they they they

[1:10:58] farming these old dungeons and turning

[1:11:00] into Mythic Plus and they're working

[1:11:01] really well. Pit of Saron and Spire of

[1:11:03] Arak are two of my favorite dungeons in

[1:11:04] season 1. I was like, yeah, okay. Like

[1:11:07] there's a there's Algeth'ar Academy in

[1:11:08] there and it feels really soon to be

[1:11:10] having a

[1:11:11] Dragonflight dungeon, but at least it's

[1:11:13] not Ruby Life Pools, I thought to

[1:11:15] myself. Could be a lot [laughter] worse,

[1:11:17] right?

[1:11:18] And you know, I think in the future I

[1:11:19] think in future seasons we will see like

[1:11:23] like and you know

[1:11:25] I was thinking Wrath dungeons.

[1:11:27] >> Yeah.

[1:11:27] >> You know, all those troll dungeons from

[1:11:29] Wrath. You know, be brilliant to have

[1:11:31] >> there's so many all the Zuls.

[1:11:33] >> Oh, good, yeah.

[1:11:33] >> All the Zuls.

[1:11:34] >> Exactly, all the Zuls. Line up the Zuls,

[1:11:36] put them on the table, line them up. And

[1:11:38] so

[1:11:40] when I say that I was crushing the

[1:11:41] disappointed by the returning dungeons

[1:11:43] in this list, King's Rest, great

[1:11:45] dungeon. I know that lots of people in

[1:11:46] in this

[1:11:47] chat will disagree with me, but I'm

[1:11:48] actually looking forward to that.

[1:11:50] There's a bit of a weird gauntlet in

[1:11:51] King's Rest, but okay, whatever. Ruby

[1:11:53] Life Pools, [ __ ] off, Hades, you die.

[1:11:55] >> [laughter]

[1:11:57] >> Burn with fire. Nope. And you know what?

[1:12:00] I don't even care if it's like it maybe

[1:12:01] it's a good dungeon or not. I can't even

[1:12:02] really [ __ ] remember.

[1:12:04] >> Mhm.

[1:12:04] >> But all I know is I don't I just don't

[1:12:06] want a [ __ ] Dragonflight dungeon.

[1:12:07] >> exactly. You remember how it felt,

[1:12:09] right?

[1:12:09] >> not want a Dragonflight dungeon.

[1:12:12] >> I know.

[1:12:12] >> I don't want a Dragonflight dungeon in

[1:12:13] this [ __ ] Mythic Plus rotation,

[1:12:15] especially not this dog [ __ ]

[1:12:16] Dragonflight dungeon.

[1:12:17] >> I know.

[1:12:18] >> I don't want it.

[1:12:19] This is

[1:12:21] I freely admit a disproportionate

[1:12:24] emotional reaction. Okay?

[1:12:26] >> At least you acknowledge it.

[1:12:27] >> I do acknowledge it.

[1:12:28] >> Yeah.

[1:12:28] >> But also, it's a disproportionate

[1:12:30] emotional

[1:12:31] reaction which I think is justified and

[1:12:33] which Blizzard should have predicted and

[1:12:35] which many many people are having. Like

[1:12:38] you go down into the comments of this

[1:12:39] this

[1:12:39] >> Oh, and people are like "I disagree."

[1:12:41] >> Everyone's like "Fuck off, Ruby Life

[1:12:42] Pools. What the fuck?"

[1:12:43] >> [laughter]

[1:12:44] >> So, you know, and Temple of Sethraliss,

[1:12:47] which man, look, I felt I I was talking

[1:12:50] on stream about this yesterday. I was

[1:12:51] like, we've had that come back in Mythic

[1:12:53] Plus before, right? And people were

[1:12:54] like, "No, it's never come back. We only

[1:12:56] ever had it in BFA."

[1:12:58] I was like, "Well, why do I feel like

[1:12:59] it's been back in Mythic Plus before?"

[1:13:01] It's because like in BFA, we had it for

[1:13:02] four seasons. Cuz back in the day,

[1:13:06] you had like just eight or eventually,

[1:13:08] if you were lucky, 10 dungeons that were

[1:13:09] your entire rotation for the entire

[1:13:11] expansion. The expansions were longer

[1:13:13] back in those days as well. You know,

[1:13:15] and like so it's just so ingrained that

[1:13:17] it feels like it's been back loads of

[1:13:19] times in Mythic Plus, but it hasn't. So,

[1:13:21] I don't know. But,

[1:13:23] this is the season of the gauntlet, man.

[1:13:25] Because Temple of Sethraliss has like a

[1:13:27] very long gauntlet in it and a very

[1:13:29] annoying gauntlet in it.

[1:13:31] Uh my memory of it certainly, right,

[1:13:33] it's been a while, but I I think King's

[1:13:34] Rest has like a small gauntlet in it.

[1:13:41] And then Den of Naralex, which is

[1:13:43] [ __ ] gauntlets up the wazoo, the

[1:13:44] worst gauntlet in the entire game. If

[1:13:46] you don't like gauntlets, if you're not

[1:13:49] Thanos,

[1:13:50] you're going to [ __ ] hate this

[1:13:51] season.

[1:13:52] Jesus Christ, whose [ __ ] idea was it

[1:13:54] to put [ __ ] Temple of Sethraliss with

[1:13:58] Den of Naralex, gauntlet city?

[1:14:01] >> Well, they might you know, those will be

[1:14:02] tuned. Those will be nerfed. Like they

[1:14:04] might gauntlets might be removed

[1:14:06] completely right?

[1:14:07] >> be. They're like major mechanics.

[1:14:08] >> Well, they you know,

[1:14:09] >> No.

[1:14:10] Well, maybe you're right. I hope you

[1:14:12] are.

[1:14:12] >> I mean, that would be my expectation,

[1:14:14] but

[1:14:14] >> New prey. One of the things we've seen

[1:14:15] in articles about prey when they go into

[1:14:18] a bit more detail about it is one of the

[1:14:20] options once you get to the end of your

[1:14:22] renown tree in season 2 with prey is

[1:14:25] custom hunts.

[1:14:27] Uh which I'm assuming you get to choose

[1:14:29] who you're hunting

[1:14:30] >> Yeah.

[1:14:31] >> right? That that seemed But, we don't

[1:14:33] know anything else about it from there.

[1:14:34] But, that just sounds very intriguing. I

[1:14:35] like the sound of that. Cuz hunts are

[1:14:36] good. We like hunts.

[1:14:38] I'd like some changes in hunts. I'd like

[1:14:39] I'd like to get rid of the whole kill

[1:14:41] for me thing.

[1:14:42] I mean, they kind of have changed that,

[1:14:44] but like the idea that I can just like

[1:14:46] have to go and have a wee.

[1:14:48] >> Mhm.

[1:14:48] >> But when I come back I'm dead.

[1:14:51] I know, man. It just makes me like

[1:14:54] I'm not sure.

[1:14:55] >> Oh.

[1:14:55] >> Yeah. Uh

[1:14:57] I don't know.

[1:14:57] >> Uh right. Um new fixes, new targets, uh

[1:15:02] new hunt on the Coiled Isle, new voice

[1:15:05] lines. Oh, and some new Arcanum quests.

[1:15:07] >> Oh, do you know what? I'm glad. I love

[1:15:09] the Arcanum. I like the No, I think it's

[1:15:11] cute. As long as it's not

[1:15:12] >> like it's really flopped. I feel like

[1:15:14] it's Yeah, I feel like I've I went in

[1:15:16] there, I did some quests, and maybe it's

[1:15:18] cuz I'm not using it to its full

[1:15:20] potential.

[1:15:21] >> you're not doing it, it's kind of what

[1:15:22] you might guess.

[1:15:23] >> Um

[1:15:24] hey, man. Like like you're not You're

[1:15:25] allowed to not like it, but I I've made

[1:15:26] sure I did all the quests every week,

[1:15:27] and I really enjoyed it. And like it

[1:15:29] takes 5 minutes. You get to see some

[1:15:31] cool some people having a chat.

[1:15:33] It is what it is. It's just like flavor,

[1:15:34] right? It's just a bit of world

[1:15:35] building. It's just a bit of like lore

[1:15:37] delivery. I like it. So,

[1:15:39] >> So,

[1:15:40] >> that's everything that was in the

[1:15:41] announcement. We're not going to talk

[1:15:42] about PvP cuz I can't be bothered. Oh,

[1:15:43] the cool down manager stuff. Great.

[1:15:44] Really well done. So, um lots of ping

[1:15:48] functionality, and lots of really great

[1:15:50] stuff for healers being able to isolate

[1:15:52] individual buffs and and like

[1:15:54] like things on their bars with on their

[1:15:57] raid frames, which you really really

[1:15:59] need uh cuz we need to get people to

[1:16:01] stop using add-ons for their raid

[1:16:02] frames. When we were in uh

[1:16:04] the the mythic raid last night,

[1:16:08] we'd been wiping on what I thought was

[1:16:11] stupid little things. Like people

[1:16:12] There's these two mobs, right? There's

[1:16:14] like a purple mushroom mob, and there's

[1:16:16] like a green mushroom mob, right? And

[1:16:19] you have to put all the purple mushrooms

[1:16:20] over one place if you get fixated. And

[1:16:22] if you get fixated by a green mob, you

[1:16:23] have to put them in a different place.

[1:16:24] And people just put them in the wrong

[1:16:25] place all the time. And I was like,

[1:16:27] "I don't understand why people are

[1:16:28] getting this wrong. Like it's really

[1:16:30] obvious. You can see it on screen." And

[1:16:32] people were like, "Yeah, but like if

[1:16:33] only there was some way that it appeared

[1:16:35] like on my raid frames or something."

[1:16:37] And I was like, "Well, it it does. Like

[1:16:39] the literal icon of which color

[1:16:44] mushroom is is fixating you appears like

[1:16:47] the icon like it's a purple mushroom or

[1:16:49] a green mushroom and it appears on your

[1:16:51] on your raid frames and it turns out

[1:16:53] that only happened on the standard raid

[1:16:56] frames. Anyone who's using add-on wasn't

[1:16:58] getting that information at all and

[1:17:00] that's why people would didn't know what

[1:17:02] what kind of mushroom was following

[1:17:03] them.

[1:17:04] And that's why we getting the wrong all

[1:17:05] night and it's like yeah like raid

[1:17:07] like not for the first time in season

[1:17:10] one rating

[1:17:11] people who weren't using the standard

[1:17:13] raid frames were getting absolutely

[1:17:14] gimped.

[1:17:15] >> Yes.

[1:17:15] >> Blaming Blizzard.

[1:17:17] It was like no that information is

[1:17:18] there. Very often like I remember in the

[1:17:20] first week of like

[1:17:22] Void Spire there was all that talk about

[1:17:23] dragons and about Chimaeras and the

[1:17:26] debuffs into Chimaeras and stuff it's

[1:17:28] like it's just not appearing. There's no

[1:17:30] way of knowing and with Paladins as well

[1:17:32] it seems stupid to think about now but

[1:17:34] it's like I can see it. I know exactly

[1:17:36] what's going on. Like I've seen all

[1:17:38] these debuffs man. I'm getting all cuz

[1:17:39] I've got the standard raid frames. Like

[1:17:42] so yeah you should healers you should be

[1:17:43] using standard raid frames that's what

[1:17:44] I'm saying. And this will make it much

[1:17:46] easier for you with all these things and

[1:17:48] they had to be nice to healers

[1:17:51] because

[1:17:53] they're also being horrible to healers

[1:17:54] with this ping system because there's

[1:17:56] some brilliant things about this ping

[1:17:57] system. You can ping abilities to show

[1:18:00] where they are in their cool down.

[1:18:01] >> Very useful.

[1:18:02] >> [ __ ] useful. If you're if you're a

[1:18:04] tank and your mitigation is on cool down

[1:18:05] and you know there's a big hit coming

[1:18:06] you can ping that mitigation and

[1:18:08] everyone will see that it's on cool down

[1:18:10] and the healer knows to drop something

[1:18:11] on you for that for that hit right and

[1:18:14] that's that's great. Um

[1:18:17] you know if if you can ping your big

[1:18:19] damage as as someone who gives PI like

[1:18:22] power infusion I want to know when my

[1:18:24] DPS in a dungeon are hitting their

[1:18:27] damage cool downs and if you ping that

[1:18:30] when you hit it

[1:18:31] and I've got PI up I'm going to put PI

[1:18:33] on you right cuz like and I think And

[1:18:35] really good there's like so many

[1:18:37] like potential for that.

[1:18:39] However,

[1:18:40] one thing that they're definitely going

[1:18:41] to cut, they're not going to keep this,

[1:18:42] they're going to get rid of it because

[1:18:43] people are going to like wrong.

[1:18:45] Is pinging your health to let everyone

[1:18:48] know what your health is.

[1:18:49] >> That's fine.

[1:18:50] >> No, it's not.

[1:18:51] >> That

[1:18:52] >> This is a healer's worst nightmare. Are

[1:18:54] you [ __ ] kidding me? People pinging

[1:18:57] their [ __ ] health. It's like, [ __ ]

[1:18:58] I can see.

[1:19:00] I can see. I'm a healer. I'm literally

[1:19:02] looking at your raid frame your health

[1:19:04] bar right now. It's all I look at. I'm a

[1:19:06] healer. All I do is I sit here playing

[1:19:08] [ __ ] Whac-A-Mole. IF THERE'S ONE

[1:19:09] thing I'm aware of, if there's one thing

[1:19:11] I'm aware of, it's how much [ __ ]

[1:19:14] health you've got. Okay, I don't know

[1:19:15] anything else. I don't know what I don't

[1:19:17] know what casts are going off that need

[1:19:18] interrupting. I don't know where the the

[1:19:20] damage is, but I know what your health

[1:19:22] is. You don't need to [ __ ] ping that.

[1:19:24] >> Did you see Did you see that they are

[1:19:25] also introducing a like a sound and a

[1:19:29] ping that goes off when you miss an

[1:19:31] interrupt?

[1:19:31] >> Now, that's brilliant.

[1:19:32] >> That's [ __ ] up.

[1:19:33] >> That is the single best feature that has

[1:19:37] ever happened.

[1:19:39] >> I mean, they're going to be a little

[1:19:40] icon that goes off over your head when

[1:19:41] you miss an interrupt.

[1:19:43] >> When you waste [laughter] your

[1:19:43] interrupt, it's going to be like

[1:19:46] That's SO EVIL.

[1:19:47] >> THAT'S GOOD. THAT'S SO THAT'S SO EVIL.

[1:19:49] >> BUT, I mean, it's really useful.

[1:19:52] >> [laughter]

[1:19:52] >> It's going to be so good. I can't wait.

[1:19:55] And also,

[1:19:56] >> That's so That's like

[1:19:58] >> but also, it's just going to be going

[1:19:59] off above prop paladin's heads all the

[1:20:00] time. Every time they cast their shield

[1:20:02] and it didn't interrupt someone, it's

[1:20:03] going to be like

[1:20:05] >> [laughter]

[1:20:06] >> It's going to be so good. It's going to

[1:20:07] have some

[1:20:08] >> Oh, but I I think generally this ping

[1:20:10] system sounds really good, but not the

[1:20:11] health thing.

[1:20:12] Not the health thing. Holy [ __ ] It's

[1:20:14] going to be the worst. Oh my god, I

[1:20:17] don't like it. I don't want it, but the

[1:20:19] general idea and the functionality

[1:20:20] behind it really cool and actually very

[1:20:21] modern MMO feeling and

[1:20:23] I like even the picture. Health 100%.

[1:20:25] [ __ ] off. Get out of here. You're going

[1:20:28] on block. You are going on block, my

[1:20:30] friend. Ain't no [ __ ] way. And you

[1:20:32] know what? I know exactly who in our

[1:20:33] guild are going to use it all the time

[1:20:34] as well.

[1:20:35] >> [laughter]

[1:20:38] >> Um but otherwise otherwise really cool.

[1:20:40] Now, housing updates, this is really

[1:20:41] exciting.

[1:20:42] >> Yes.

[1:20:43] >> And the most exciting thing about these

[1:20:44] housing updates

[1:20:46] isn't even in these updates, but it's an

[1:20:47] implication, you know? So, first of all,

[1:20:50] blueprints.

[1:20:50] >> That's the first big

[1:20:51] >> You'll be able to save strings for

[1:20:53] individual rooms or entire houses.

[1:20:55] You'll be able to obviously like save

[1:20:57] your own rooms. Like I before you start

[1:21:00] taking with them and you're like, "No,

[1:21:02] I didn't like that." Or you'll be

[1:21:03] >> Oh my god, so personally just being able

[1:21:05] to save my rooms

[1:21:06] >> Yeah.

[1:21:06] >> and import them elsewhere, move them

[1:21:08] around without losing them. Like

[1:21:10] absolutely

[1:21:10] >> And also you will be able to share

[1:21:12] strings as well. So, housing creators,

[1:21:14] all you people that make amazing builds

[1:21:15] on YouTube, you're about to get so rich.

[1:21:18] Like your patrons are about to [ __ ]

[1:21:19] pop off. My goodness, join my patron and

[1:21:22] you can get all of these strings. Yeah,

[1:21:24] [ __ ] know it, mate. Brilliant. Now,

[1:21:27] there is like a downside to this and

[1:21:28] it's a downside that I've been

[1:21:29] discussing with lots of housing creators

[1:21:32] um in the build-up to this cuz we've

[1:21:33] always known strings were coming a lot

[1:21:35] sooner than I thought they were going to

[1:21:36] come.

[1:21:36] >> Yeah, same. I was not expecting them

[1:21:38] >> Um really really cool. Um but

[1:21:40] you know, something that

[1:21:42] it doesn't outweigh the the pros of this

[1:21:44] and I want to make that really clear.

[1:21:45] Like yes, we've got to have strings.

[1:21:47] Obviously, it makes sense. Got to have

[1:21:48] strings. But like there is that thing of

[1:21:50] like at the moment when you're going

[1:21:52] around someone's house

[1:21:55] you know they've done everything in that

[1:21:56] house. You know it's all their own work.

[1:21:59] You know they've they've placed it all,

[1:22:01] they've sweated, they've spent hours and

[1:22:02] it's impossible to make something

[1:22:04] without spending hours and hours on it,

[1:22:05] right? So, like there's something really

[1:22:06] beautiful about that. And you're always

[1:22:09] just going to be second-guessing that

[1:22:10] from now on. When you're just touring

[1:22:11] someone's house and you're looking at it

[1:22:12] and you're like, "Wow, this is great.

[1:22:13] You've done such a great job here." Or

[1:22:15] did you? And it's just like it's not a

[1:22:17] massive deal,

[1:22:18] you know? There there are implications

[1:22:20] if if you want to have like housing

[1:22:22] competitions and stuff like that.

[1:22:23] Absolutely there are.

[1:22:25] But you know, generally in the grand

[1:22:27] scheme of things it's not a big deal,

[1:22:28] but I think it's worth pointing out

[1:22:30] because it does it does undermine a

[1:22:33] certain joy about if you are a housing

[1:22:35] enjoyer and you're an other people's

[1:22:37] houses enjoyer, like I am.

[1:22:38] >> Mhm.

[1:22:39] >> My enjoyment of other people's houses is

[1:22:41] is going to be tempered.

[1:22:42] >> Yeah.

[1:22:42] >> And it is going to be less than it was

[1:22:43] before because of this feature. And I I

[1:22:45] I

[1:22:45] it's not a big deal. I'm not saying we

[1:22:46] shouldn't have strings. We obviously

[1:22:48] should have strings and everything else

[1:22:49] about it is brilliant. What do you think

[1:22:50] about that?

[1:22:51] >> Yeah, I I I think I I'm sad about the

[1:22:54] kind of influx of like, you know, the

[1:22:57] gold selling like player housing so

[1:22:59] like, you know, I remember when player

[1:23:01] housing started kicking off and all the,

[1:23:03] you know, the kind of socials really

[1:23:05] kicked off around it. Community started

[1:23:06] building. And you'd got to get this one

[1:23:09] account that would be me sharing all

[1:23:10] these like builds and stuff and then you

[1:23:12] realize that it's for like Sky coach or

[1:23:14] something, you know?

[1:23:14] >> and and like so those those websites are

[1:23:16] scumbags anyway. [ __ ] hate them with

[1:23:18] their shitty like AI thumbnails and

[1:23:19] stuff.

[1:23:20] >> Yeah, it's it's it's going to be nasty.

[1:23:21] >> Well, you know what's going to happen?

[1:23:22] >> Mhm.

[1:23:23] >> Like someone awesome, like Eppy or or

[1:23:27] Mego or someone, they're going to make

[1:23:28] these amazing strings. And they're going

[1:23:30] to make some of them like I either

[1:23:32] they'll sell them on their Patreon or

[1:23:34] whatever or they'll just give them away

[1:23:36] cuz they're [ __ ] awesome people. And

[1:23:37] these pieces of [ __ ] at like these gold

[1:23:40] farming sites, these carry sites,

[1:23:42] >> going to take

[1:23:42] >> They're going to take the string.

[1:23:43] They're going to change one thing. If

[1:23:44] they even [ __ ] bother changing one

[1:23:46] thing, they probably won't cuz they're

[1:23:47] absolute dick bags.

[1:23:48] >> Yeah.

[1:23:48] >> And they'll they'll sell them as their

[1:23:50] own strings. Like you have loads of

[1:23:51] people sharing free strings with the

[1:23:53] community cuz they're [ __ ] awesome.

[1:23:54] They just love housing. They love the

[1:23:55] community. And you have these absolute

[1:23:57] [ __ ] dick bags are going to be taking

[1:23:59] these strings and selling them because

[1:24:01] they're scum. They're pieces of [ __ ]

[1:24:03] >> really not um it's not ideal. So, that's

[1:24:05] that's obviously a downside of of

[1:24:07] blueprints.

[1:24:08] >> Yeah, and it's going to feel dirty and

[1:24:09] grubby right?

[1:24:10] >> not be able to share them. You'll be

[1:24:12] able to share them cross region, but not

[1:24:13] with China.

[1:24:15] >> Mhm.

[1:24:15] >> Yeah.

[1:24:16] >> Interesting.

[1:24:17] >> Yeah.

[1:24:17] >> Oh, okay.

[1:24:18] >> Um, I wasn't planning on it, but

[1:24:19] >> Well, I mean, you know, you never know.

[1:24:20] Um, but yeah, so you'll be able to share

[1:24:23] um yeah.

[1:24:23] >> [laughter]

[1:24:24] >> You'll be able to share

[1:24:26] uh the entire house, inside and outside,

[1:24:29] uh exterior or interior or just single

[1:24:31] rooms, which is really cool.

[1:24:32] >> And and also amazing is like there's

[1:24:34] some cool UI elements where when you put

[1:24:36] it in, if there's stuff that isn't that

[1:24:38] you don't own or you don't have, uh it

[1:24:40] will give you a list of the [ __ ] that

[1:24:41] you do have and that you don't have. Uh

[1:24:43] and like there's there's a whole UI for

[1:24:45] this. It looks amazing. So good.

[1:24:46] >> Yeah, there's and obviously, you know,

[1:24:48] there might be items that yeah, that you

[1:24:49] don't have. Uh yeah, it lists everything

[1:24:52] that you do and don't have, how many

[1:24:53] things you have, your your budget, your

[1:24:55] room budgets, everything. Also,

[1:24:58] uh oh, uh blueprints will have a report

[1:25:00] button.

[1:25:01] >> Oh, so if there's someone just makes a

[1:25:02] big dick or something.

[1:25:03] >> Well, or if someone steals your, you

[1:25:06] know right?

[1:25:07] >> I was thinking about big dicks. I still

[1:25:09] think about the ring of glory.

[1:25:10] >> Uh those things as well, that's also a

[1:25:12] thing.

[1:25:13] Um you can share them in chat,

[1:25:15] obviously. Uh and a reset button is

[1:25:18] coming. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

[1:25:22] >> We want a reset button.

[1:25:23] >> A reset button to just clear everything

[1:25:25] out once

[1:25:25] >> There's more specific housing stuff as

[1:25:26] well, but we've got to fly through.

[1:25:27] Otherwise, we won't have uh time for

[1:25:28] questions. Um okay, this is the most

[1:25:30] exciting thing.

[1:25:31] >> Mhm.

[1:25:32] >> And not even this, but the implications

[1:25:33] of this.

[1:25:35] The pet bed.

[1:25:36] >> Yes.

[1:25:37] >> So, this is coming way sooner than I

[1:25:38] thought it was going to.

[1:25:39] >> Yes.

[1:25:40] >> You put the pet bed in your house, you

[1:25:42] get to choose a pet from your battle pet

[1:25:45] inventory or your companion inventory,

[1:25:47] and it will sleep on the bed, but also

[1:25:49] you can have it walk around your house.

[1:25:52] >> That's pretty cute.

[1:25:52] >> And it's going to be

[1:25:54] in your house for a long time. A pet

[1:25:56] will be walking around. Now,

[1:25:59] first of all, we had a little bet about

[1:26:00] this last night.

[1:26:01] >> What was it about?

[1:26:02] >> Yeah, you thought there would be one pet

[1:26:05] per house.

[1:26:06] >> Yes.

[1:26:06] >> And I said I thought you'd be able to

[1:26:08] have multiple pets per house.

[1:26:09] >> Yeah, cuz all the images were like one

[1:26:11] pet, one pet per house.

[1:26:13] >> when you were asleep, Jesse Cox

[1:26:15] did one of his awesome tweets.

[1:26:16] >> Oh, hell yeah.

[1:26:17] >> he was like, more stuff for housing,

[1:26:19] right? So,

[1:26:20] blueprints, pets, max house level is 12.

[1:26:24] >> Oh.

[1:26:24] >> And there are going to be large

[1:26:25] exteriors. So, there is going to be an

[1:26:27] increase in in decor limit as well

[1:26:30] inside. It's going up to like 5,000

[1:26:31] something at level 12, which is Oh my

[1:26:33] god, thank you.

[1:26:35] Dyes streamlined. There's a huge article

[1:26:37] on dyes. We won't get into that right

[1:26:39] now, but it's cool. It's really good.

[1:26:41] >> Uh move the entry room anywhere in your

[1:26:43] house. So, you can take the entry room

[1:26:45] to like the third floor. You have

[1:26:46] basements now. You have basements now.

[1:26:49] There we go. Simple as that.

[1:26:50] >> Oh, this is so good.

[1:26:51] >> But, I did I did reply to I don't

[1:26:53] usually do this with Jesse.

[1:26:54] >> Mhm.

[1:26:55] >> You know, cuz he's busy man.

[1:26:57] But, I was like, can you settle a bet

[1:26:58] between the two of us and confirm if we

[1:27:01] will be able to have multiple wandering

[1:27:02] pets in one house? Wouldn't usually ask,

[1:27:05] but it's for a bet.

[1:27:06] >> Uh-huh.

[1:27:06] >> So, we do have an answer to this now.

[1:27:08] >> Oh.

[1:27:08] >> And the answer is

[1:27:10] yeah, up to 10 can wander around inside

[1:27:14] a house.

[1:27:14] >> 10 pets.

[1:27:16] >> Inside one house.

[1:27:18] I hope the winner is happy and the loser

[1:27:20] is pouting in the corner.

[1:27:21] >> 10

[1:27:22] pets in one house?

[1:27:23] >> Yeah.

[1:27:24] And I replied with a vague thank, I won

[1:27:27] the bet. [laughter]

[1:27:30] Uh so, 10 pets. There you go.

[1:27:32] >> That's insane.

[1:27:33] >> 10 pets running around. And like look,

[1:27:34] man.

[1:27:35] >> Wait, doesn't that mean you need you

[1:27:35] need 10 beds?

[1:27:37] >> Well, yeah. It's but it's just a piece

[1:27:38] of decor.

[1:27:38] >> Yeah, but like it's

[1:27:40] >> Yeah, but you Yeah, but you would need a

[1:27:41] bed for each one.

[1:27:41] >> I'll have to like much like a real pet

[1:27:43] owner will have to find somewhere to

[1:27:44] like put it away.

[1:27:45] >> What Yeah, yeah. Totally. Um but you

[1:27:46] know, what what this means is they've

[1:27:48] worked out the pathing, they've worked

[1:27:49] out collision, they've worked out how to

[1:27:51] make it like things that wander around

[1:27:52] your house recognize that there's decor

[1:27:54] and to avoid it.

[1:27:56] But, it is exciting, but it's not

[1:27:57] exciting cuz of the pets. That's going

[1:27:58] to be lovely. I'm excited to have the

[1:28:00] pets. Yay. But, we all know what the

[1:28:02] actually exciting thing about this is,

[1:28:03] right? Is we are now one step away

[1:28:07] >> Yeah.

[1:28:07] >> from having our own characters

[1:28:10] >> Woohoo.

[1:28:10] >> wandering through. You know, if this

[1:28:13] trigger can be applied to a pet bed, it

[1:28:15] can be applied to a normal bed,

[1:28:18] and we can have our like obviously

[1:28:20] there's it's a bit more complicated than

[1:28:22] just having a pet because they're

[1:28:23] already in your inventory. Your

[1:28:24] characters aren't in your inventory,

[1:28:25] they're in somewhere else like, but why

[1:28:28] can't you attach one of your own

[1:28:30] characters to a bed and have them

[1:28:33] wandering the house?

[1:28:34] >> And then you need a trigger where the

[1:28:36] character that you are in the house as

[1:28:38] doesn't appear.

[1:28:40] So, you know,

[1:28:41] >> Yeah.

[1:28:41] >> it's like cuz you don't want to see

[1:28:42] yourself running around there. That'd be

[1:28:43] very strange. But you do want your main

[1:28:44] wandering around there when people come

[1:28:45] to visit or when you're there on an alt.

[1:28:47] You want like, you know, if I'm there on

[1:28:48] my warlock, I want my family my

[1:28:50] priestess to be wandering around even

[1:28:51] though I'm mostly in there with her and

[1:28:52] you know, but like so okay, there's some

[1:28:55] there's some finagling to do with that.

[1:28:56] >> Yeah.

[1:28:57] >> But we are now one, one and a half, two

[1:28:58] steps maximum away from the thing that

[1:29:00] literally everyone wants more than

[1:29:02] anything, which is having our alts and

[1:29:04] our characters running around the house.

[1:29:05] >> Yeah. I mean

[1:29:06] >> You don't seem as excited as me. What

[1:29:07] the [ __ ] is wrong with you?

[1:29:08] >> I'm I'm excited. I'm just skeptical. I

[1:29:10] think it's a lot more complex than that.

[1:29:12] >> You think it's Why?

[1:29:13] >> Yeah, cuz your character your like

[1:29:15] characters don't align with a pet which

[1:29:18] is like a set entity with parameters and

[1:29:21] >> like I say, that's that's like the pet

[1:29:23] is in the is in the inventory. It is a

[1:29:25] bit different, but we're still like I I

[1:29:28] understood from what they've been saying

[1:29:29] about this for months is that the the

[1:29:31] big stumbling block for them was

[1:29:33] pathing.

[1:29:34] >> Yeah.

[1:29:35] >> And and like it was like we just can't

[1:29:36] work out yet how to do the pathing, how

[1:29:38] to do like the collisions, stuff like

[1:29:40] that. But if if they have now, which it

[1:29:42] seems like they have, then boom.

[1:29:44] >> Okay.

[1:29:45] >> I'm just saying.

[1:29:46] >> I'm just skeptical.

[1:29:47] >> saying it's going to happen in like the

[1:29:48] next patch or whatever,

[1:29:50] >> pet bed.

[1:29:51] >> [laughter]

[1:29:52] >> I that that's that's just me. So, you

[1:29:54] know, but yeah, but if it happens

[1:29:56] >> god. Okay, so look, I'm going to be

[1:29:57] honest with you. It'd be so good and

[1:29:59] like I have this alt too in my house. We

[1:30:00] talk about this a lot. I'm not going to

[1:30:01] dwell on it, but you know, I like the

[1:30:03] idea that if I were to die,

[1:30:05] >> Mhm.

[1:30:06] >> right? If I were to pass, my house is

[1:30:08] still there in the guild neighborhood.

[1:30:09] It'll be there until they get rid of it.

[1:30:10] Um and people can come and visit my

[1:30:13] house and see my main walking around the

[1:30:14] house. And it'd be a nice way of kind of

[1:30:16] like I know that if there was someone in

[1:30:18] the guild that passed, I would actually

[1:30:20] find it really lovely to be able to go

[1:30:22] to their house and see their main

[1:30:23] wandering around. And it'd make me feel

[1:30:26] I don't know. It'd just make me feel

[1:30:27] good.

[1:30:27] >> Yeah.

[1:30:28] >> it's really important and good and I

[1:30:29] think it should happen. And anyway, I'm

[1:30:30] getting excited about it. There's more

[1:30:31] housing stuff as well.

[1:30:32] >> Yes.

[1:30:33] >> Uh oh,

[1:30:35] what was I going to say about it? I've

[1:30:36] forgotten.

[1:30:37] Uh there wasn't a There's a really

[1:30:38] exciting housing thing I've just

[1:30:40] gotten.

[1:30:41] >> Uh large exterior

[1:30:43] >> there was something else though and I

[1:30:44] can't It's actually like literally just

[1:30:46] gone from my head really really quick.

[1:30:47] >> Endeavors?

[1:30:48] >> Uh oh yeah, there's going to be new

[1:30:49] endeavors.

[1:30:50] >> Four new endeavors?

[1:30:50] >> Oh, there's four new endeavors, thank

[1:30:52] god. Um we need that cuz like I'm I'm

[1:30:55] done with all these endeavors now,

[1:30:56] honestly. I just want some more. But

[1:30:58] Ellie uh keyboard turner on on Blue Sky

[1:31:00] had some really interesting data mine.

[1:31:02] She I feel like she's best data miner

[1:31:03] these days, right?

[1:31:04] >> Amazing.

[1:31:05] >> Um

[1:31:06] and like aw, there's auto turulans,

[1:31:08] guys. There's our baddie turulans.

[1:31:09] >> Heck yeah.

[1:31:10] >> From the raid, right?

[1:31:11] >> them.

[1:31:12] >> Yeah, uh look at all these snakes. Look

[1:31:13] how many [ __ ] snakes there are.

[1:31:15] >> Yeah, I'm delighted.

[1:31:17] >> Yeah, there's there's yeah, so many Oh,

[1:31:18] no, one of the turulans is a kid.

[1:31:20] >> Aw, he's so cute.

[1:31:22] >> Boo. Okay, but the

[1:31:23] That was it.

[1:31:24] >> look at this [ __ ] owl.

[1:31:26] >> It's a mount. There's an owl mount.

[1:31:28] >> Ridiculous.

[1:31:29] >> It's got a tree on it.

[1:31:30] >> Mhm.

[1:31:30] >> It's still looks like a butt.

[1:31:31] >> It's very story.

[1:31:32] >> Do you like the look of public building?

[1:31:36] >> What is that? [laughter]

[1:31:39] No way.

[1:31:41] >> know about you, but to me this looks

[1:31:44] like

[1:31:45] >> a guild hall.

[1:31:48] >> No.

[1:31:49] >> THIS LOOKS LIKE

[1:31:50] >> NO.

[1:31:50] >> I'M just saying.

[1:31:53] >> Oh my god.

[1:31:54] >> do you think?

[1:31:55] >> Yes.

[1:31:56] >> This looks like guild hall [ __ ]

[1:31:56] >> 100% 1 million

[1:31:59] percent.

[1:31:59] >> Shared stable? Oh my god.

[1:32:01] >> Yeah, look at this shared like just

[1:32:03] public like

[1:32:05] park space thing.

[1:32:06] >> Please, that's insane.

[1:32:08] >> Yeah, I'm again and there's hoard ones

[1:32:10] as well.

[1:32:10] >> I love that so much.

[1:32:12] >> Same vibe.

[1:32:12] >> Yes.

[1:32:13] >> You know?

[1:32:13] >> Yes.

[1:32:15] Yes.

[1:32:15] >> Isn't it cool? Uh so that's big, that's

[1:32:17] like big big big for housing.

[1:32:19] >> Absolutely huge.

[1:32:21] >> Oh and she's actually worked out where

[1:32:22] they would go in each neighborhood as

[1:32:24] well. My god, Ellie's amazing.

[1:32:25] >> Wow. Oh, it's where all like the

[1:32:26] building sites are.

[1:32:27] >> Yeah, where the building sites currently

[1:32:29] are.

[1:32:29] Um so

[1:32:31] yeah, one day you're going to go into

[1:32:32] your neighborhood and possibly

[1:32:34] there'll be some cool community like

[1:32:36] places which would be aha amazing.

[1:32:39] And like loads of new deco.

[1:32:41] >> Oh, I can't wait to really play with

[1:32:42] >> look at this look at all this [ __ ]

[1:32:43] shop deco, man.

[1:32:44] >> Yeah. Oh.

[1:32:45] >> Look at all this shop deco which is

[1:32:47] definitely shop deco.

[1:32:49] >> Very tiki.

[1:32:50] >> Surfboards.

[1:32:51] >> I love it.

[1:32:51] >> Grills.

[1:32:52] >> Yeah.

[1:32:53] >> NEW OH.

[1:32:54] >> OH.

[1:32:56] >> FINALLY.

[1:32:57] >> Spiral staircase blocks. Ooh.

[1:33:00] >> Legos.

[1:33:01] >> Yeah, oh my god. Yeah, we do we do just

[1:33:04] want Legos that we can just plop

[1:33:05] together, don't we? That's And so like

[1:33:07] >> Legos and some other

[1:33:08] >> Um honestly, I'm not even joking,

[1:33:10] Keyboard Turner is the best follow on on

[1:33:12] social media.

[1:33:13] >> Absolutely. Do they Do they have night

[1:33:15] elf exteriors for community buildings?

[1:33:17] >> Uh no.

[1:33:17] >> Okay.

[1:33:19] We'll get there.

[1:33:19] >> Not that not that I've seen.

[1:33:20] >> there.

[1:33:21] >> Uh but there's there's some cool [ __ ]

[1:33:23] >> Wow. Wow. Okay, well, I cannot wait.

[1:33:25] >> Yeah.

[1:33:26] >> Cannot wait.

[1:33:27] >> There's a There's a hat with a cat on

[1:33:28] it.

[1:33:30] That's got shop written all over it,

[1:33:31] isn't it?

[1:33:32] >> flash maybe just in China.

[1:33:34] >> Oh yeah, possibly possibly. Lots of cats

[1:33:36] with hats on. Oh no, wait a minute,

[1:33:38] yeah. Uh well, no. Uh there's some that

[1:33:40] don't hide hair.

[1:33:41] >> Wow.

[1:33:42] >> Now we I obviously the the new tier sets

[1:33:45] are on the PTR.

[1:33:46] >> Yeah.

[1:33:47] >> Uh but we are recording a reaction to

[1:33:49] those straight after this podcast and

[1:33:51] we'll bring that as a video for the

[1:33:52] weekend. So look out for that one, but

[1:33:54] we won't be reacting to them now cuz

[1:33:56] Abby hasn't seen them cuz

[1:33:57] >> I can't have her being so excited about

[1:33:59] the amazing

[1:34:00] troll set yet.

[1:34:02] >> Yes.

[1:34:02] >> Yeah. There's more things we need to

[1:34:04] talk about really quickly.

[1:34:05] >> Yeah.

[1:34:05] >> There is massive changes to end of game

[1:34:07] gearing in patch 12.1. This is like hot

[1:34:10] [ __ ] [ __ ]

[1:34:11] >> really big.

[1:34:12] >> Bonus rolls are sticking around, be

[1:34:14] available in the vault straight away,

[1:34:16] one a week you'll be getting as bonus

[1:34:18] rolls. It's like just proper way of

[1:34:19] getting guild uh

[1:34:19] >> Perfect. I love them. Give them to me.

[1:34:22] >> Yeah, uh and then you'll be able to get

[1:34:23] extra ones starting week eight.

[1:34:25] >> Yeah.

[1:34:25] >> Um uh later on as well.

[1:34:27] >> Raid rolls only one coin?

[1:34:29] >> Don't mind if I do.

[1:34:30] Uh raid rewards are buffed in the vault.

[1:34:33] >> Wow.

[1:34:34] >> So,

[1:34:35] to kind of combat the fact that gearing

[1:34:37] in mythic plus is like it's just so much

[1:34:39] better vault-wise than raid, cuz you

[1:34:42] know, you can just like pop tens and

[1:34:43] your vault is full of mythic like mythic

[1:34:46] mythic plus gear.

[1:34:46] >> Mhm.

[1:34:47] >> Um

[1:34:49] in news that is going to be beautiful

[1:34:51] and wonderful

[1:34:52] to

[1:34:53] heroic guilds in particular like ours,

[1:34:56] like ahead of the curve guilds,

[1:34:59] heroic vault slots from doing heroic

[1:35:02] raid bosses will now reward the lowest

[1:35:06] tier of mythic gear.

[1:35:07] >> That's crazy.

[1:35:08] >> Which is awesome.

[1:35:10] >> That's insane.

[1:35:10] >> So, like you you get your your eight

[1:35:13] heroic bosses and you've got low level

[1:35:16] which needs a bit of upgrading mythic

[1:35:18] gear in your in your vault, which is

[1:35:20] like

[1:35:22] Uh for for ahead of the

[1:35:24] ahead of the curve guild guilds, that is

[1:35:25] massive. That is massive because like

[1:35:27] there's been a lot of talking

[1:35:28] >> been missing Yeah, you guys have always

[1:35:30] been like you know, you do your heroics

[1:35:32] and you get [ __ ] gear from the vault.

[1:35:35] So, you just buff up with keys and then

[1:35:37] you you're like, "Why am I doing

[1:35:38] heroics?" Yeah, right? It's

[1:35:40] >> Um a a a huge change to the catalyst as

[1:35:42] well. And this is pretty I like this

[1:35:44] even more than the uh the the vault

[1:35:45] thing.

[1:35:46] >> is a bit crazy, but it could be fun.

[1:35:47] >> When you catalyze gear

[1:35:49] into tier set token into tier gear, it

[1:35:52] will keep the secondary stats that were

[1:35:54] on the gear

[1:35:56] >> Mhm.

[1:35:56] >> that you So, like it won't change to the

[1:35:59] secondary stats of the tier set. It's

[1:36:01] like So, if if if there's gear out there

[1:36:02] that is better secondary stats than the

[1:36:04] tier set stuff,

[1:36:05] >> Mhm.

[1:36:05] >> then you want to be finding that beyond

[1:36:07] the gear set beyond the tier set stuff,

[1:36:09] right? Um and that's amazing. And And it

[1:36:11] will keep any extra special effects on

[1:36:13] it as well, which is amazing because

[1:36:15] like holy [ __ ] it's so it's so [ __ ] if

[1:36:17] you get like a belt or something that

[1:36:20] has like a special raid effect on it and

[1:36:22] you're like, well, not belt is a

[1:36:23] terrible example cuz that's not tier,

[1:36:24] but you know what I mean, like

[1:36:26] and then you can you have to catalyze it

[1:36:28] to get your four-set or whatever and

[1:36:28] you're going to lose that effect and

[1:36:29] it's like, well, is it better to have it

[1:36:31] in tier or is it better to have it? No,

[1:36:32] [ __ ] all that [ __ ] It's like, yeah, you

[1:36:35] just want to get the best gear with the

[1:36:36] best secondaries you can get and like

[1:36:38] cool magic effects on them if you like

[1:36:39] and then just catalyze that [ __ ] It's

[1:36:41] going to keep all that stuff on it, but

[1:36:43] it's also going to be tier.

[1:36:44] >> Yes, it is.

[1:36:45] >> I love it.

[1:36:46] >> Very cool.

[1:36:47] >> So good. Awesome for transmog, awesome

[1:36:49] for gameplay.

[1:36:50] >> Yeah.

[1:36:50] >> Like I There's nothing I dislike about

[1:36:52] any of this news. It's brilliant.

[1:36:54] >> Mhm.

[1:36:55] >> Uh the Ascendant Venom Stones, that's

[1:36:57] what they're called now, Venom Stones

[1:36:58] and Void Stones, uh which is the thing

[1:37:00] that like increases the item level of

[1:37:01] those things later in the season. Those

[1:37:03] are coming back as well, but they're

[1:37:04] going to work on necklaces as well as on

[1:37:06] weapons and on rings. And that's great

[1:37:08] as well, isn't it?

[1:37:09] >> Yeah.

[1:37:09] >> Awesome changes, like really really good

[1:37:12] changes. Happy about that.

[1:37:13] >> And loads of class changes as well. I

[1:37:15] had a quick look through Hunter and

[1:37:16] >> We're not going to go through the class

[1:37:17] changes, uh but the general philosophy

[1:37:19] of the class changes is that they uh in

[1:37:22] a blue post they're saying that they

[1:37:23] want to uh reduce the impact of of uh a

[1:37:29] lot of damage cool downs. A lot of

[1:37:31] classes right now feel like you're

[1:37:33] basically just like pinching people for

[1:37:37] a minute and a half

[1:37:38] and then going absolutely crazy and I I

[1:37:40] didn't think they'd get out of that

[1:37:42] two-minute rotation so quickly. I'm

[1:37:45] really glad they have.

[1:37:46] >> Yeah, same.

[1:37:47] >> Um I This is this is really really good

[1:37:48] news. Like, it was probably right to

[1:37:51] make the classes that straightforward

[1:37:53] at the beginning of this expansion

[1:37:54] because of the whole add-on situation,

[1:37:56] but it's good to see that they clearly

[1:37:58] are thinking about adding a bit more

[1:38:01] depth and complexity to them in that

[1:38:02] sense. And you can see that in the tier

[1:38:03] set bonuses as well, by the way, but we

[1:38:05] won't go into those right now.

[1:38:06] >> Yeah. Um, but yeah, huge huge changes uh

[1:38:09] coming to all classes. Go on the PTR,

[1:38:11] have a quick look. Uh, all in their

[1:38:13] notes. Delighted to see some changes to

[1:38:16] Hunter and Marksmanship in particular.

[1:38:18] >> Yeah. [laughter] Yeah.

[1:38:19] >> Woo.

[1:38:20] >> Um, so that's that's beautiful. That's

[1:38:22] just an awesome wonderful thing. Like,

[1:38:23] so much Anything else I missed that you

[1:38:25] saw kind

[1:38:25] >> Uh,

[1:38:27] that that seems to be Oh, there's a

[1:38:29] Discord integration uh now coming uh

[1:38:31] >> We thought that was going to be the

[1:38:32] case, didn't we?

[1:38:33] >> Yeah, yeah. So, I think part of this

[1:38:34] kind of bit wider social initiative

[1:38:36] where you'll be able to link your uh

[1:38:38] guild chat with Discord chat. Uh, it

[1:38:41] will be specifically linked to like one

[1:38:42] channel on your Discord. So, don't fear

[1:38:45] about all of like your spicy stuff, you

[1:38:47] know,

[1:38:48] >> Yeah.

[1:38:48] >> being to pull directly into the WoW

[1:38:50] client. But, it does raise some

[1:38:51] questions around like, you know, if I

[1:38:53] say [ __ ] on my Discord,

[1:38:57] if it goes directly into what you know,

[1:38:59] like I have to So, you know, just

[1:39:02] just be mindful of your

[1:39:04] Discord integrated

[1:39:07] channel

[1:39:08] uh that goes into guild chat. It's just,

[1:39:09] you know,

[1:39:10] just have to

[1:39:11] >> Hadn't even thought, honestly.

[1:39:12] >> Yeah.

[1:39:13] >> Yeah, that's Oh, well, that's also good

[1:39:15] There's something we've completely

[1:39:15] forgotten, actually. There's actually a

[1:39:16] B plot going on with Azshara.

[1:39:17] >> Yes.

[1:39:18] >> and uh like the hunt for Azshara and

[1:39:20] stuff like that, which is great because

[1:39:21] it like clearly that plot is taking uh a

[1:39:23] back seat for this patch.

[1:39:25] >> Yeah.

[1:39:25] >> Um, and we're looking at some like there

[1:39:27] might be some void kind of linking with

[1:39:29] uh Xavius and stuff like that. But, uh

[1:39:32] I'm really glad that they are still

[1:39:33] staying in touch with that.

[1:39:34] >> Mhm.

[1:39:35] >> Um, and having the hunting for his

[1:39:36] parents and Azshara and like presumably

[1:39:39] leading into whatever 12.2 is going to

[1:39:41] be, right? So, and I think that's

[1:39:42] probably enough. Or do you think like

[1:39:44] does this patch feel like too much of a

[1:39:46] step away from the main line plot for

[1:39:47] you?

[1:39:47] >> No, I love it. Like I I loved Undermine.

[1:39:50] I like I like a detour for a point one

[1:39:53] patch. I think it's fun. I think it's

[1:39:55] needed. I feel oversaturated with

[1:39:57] purple. Like I just don't really want to

[1:39:59] see Zul'jin for a little while. I'm okay