If Supergirl Flops, will WB Restore the SnyderVerse?

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[00:04] >> Welcome back to Screen Crush Rewind. I

[00:06] am your host, Ryan Ary. And today, I

[00:09] don't know. I'm worried. I'm just going

[00:10] to throw it right out there right off

[00:11] the bat. I am actually worried about two

[00:13] different things. One, um, Supergirl

[00:15] looks like it's great. It's based on one

[00:17] of my favorite all-time comic books,

[00:19] Supergirl Woman of Tomorrow. It's got a

[00:20] great writer, uh, great director. It

[00:23] looks fantastic. and the box office

[00:24] tracking is at 51 million domestic

[00:27] opening weekend which would be below the

[00:29] Flash. So even in this age of kind of

[00:31] like post superhero blitz where maybe

[00:33] we're suffering some people are

[00:35] suffering from superhero fatigue. Um

[00:37] maybe it just means the DCU isn't

[00:39] clicking with people the way they'd

[00:40] hope. Now add on top of this that Warner

[00:43] Brothers is uh on Friday the Justice

[00:46] Department approved the mindblowing sum

[00:49] make sure I get it right. Oh god. $111

[00:52] billion acquisition. Paramount is buying

[00:55] them. And of course they're owned by the

[00:56] Ellison family who um may not want what

[01:01] James Gun is selling. So that's what I

[01:02] want to talk to our guests here uh today

[01:04] about. We're going to talk about the box

[01:05] office and the popularity of some of

[01:07] these streaming services and what's next

[01:09] for the DCU. But first, let's bring one

[01:11] of our guests. I know one of our guests

[01:12] has a heart out today at 2:30. So we

[01:14] want to get him on ASAP. You know him

[01:16] from Phase Zero YouTube channel and from

[01:18] all over the internet. Mr. panel host

[01:21] extraordinaire Brandon Davis. What's

[01:22] going on, Brandon?

[01:23] >> Oh, just keep tricking you into letting

[01:25] me on here. How you doing?

[01:27] >> Good. I said phase zero. I'm sorry. It's

[01:29] phase hero.

[01:30] >> It's a Wait, it's a hard H before hero.

[01:32] >> Hard H.

[01:33] >> Yeah,

[01:34] >> hero. Okay. Very, for legal reasons, a

[01:37] very important distinction.

[01:39] >> I feel really bad. I'm really sorry

[01:41] about that. And then of course, there

[01:44] was once something by that other name,

[01:46] but no longer.

[01:48] >> It's not not live anyway.

[01:51] >> Well, anyways, we've also got coming on

[01:53] right now the guy who's trapped in our

[01:54] TV and doesn't know it, so please don't

[01:55] tell him. Mr. Colton Agburn, what's

[01:58] going on, Colton?

[01:59] >> I'm just really glad to be here with the

[02:01] guy and the dog from Screen Rant as well

[02:04] as Brandon.

[02:04] >> Yeah, that's us.

[02:05] >> Day zero. Yeah, this is going to be

[02:07] great.

[02:07] >> Yeah, exactly. [laughter]

[02:09] >> If you don't know Brandon, one time

[02:10] Kevin Smith said that about one of our

[02:12] channels. He said the guy from Screen

[02:13] Rant with the dog and it was Colton's

[02:15] video and I thanked Kevin Smith but

[02:16] forgot Colton wrote that. It was a whole

[02:18] thing. It was a whole thing. Kevin, if

[02:20] you're watching, I'm sorry. And finally,

[02:22] one of our Screen Crush staff members,

[02:24] expert in all things uh DC

[02:26] extraordinaire, we have Mr. Lee Mazio.

[02:28] Hi Lee.

[02:29] >> Hello. Happy to be here to uh you know,

[02:33] do my job for the DC universe and keep

[02:35] it going strong.

[02:37] >> Yeah. And if you guys watch a lot of

[02:38] Screen Crush and you you may not know

[02:40] Lee's name unless you read the credits,

[02:41] but he's a great editor. And pretty much

[02:43] when a DCU thing comes around, I'm like,

[02:46] either Lee either gives notes, extensive

[02:48] DC notes, or he full on just writes it.

[02:51] So, we're looking forward to Supergirl

[02:52] around this shop. I'll tell you that.

[02:54] >> Um, let's just dive right into it

[02:56] because we're going to lose Brandon in

[02:58] about 30 minutes because he's more

[02:59] important than the rest of us. Um, I can

[03:01] quote some facts and figures to you guys

[03:03] about the performance of like Superman

[03:05] from last year did 618 million versus

[03:08] 667 million from Man of Steel. The

[03:12] Suicide Squad, which granted pandemic

[03:14] released at 168 compared to 749 for the

[03:17] bad Suicide Squad movie. And um yeah,

[03:22] Supergirl actually was tracking to 55.

[03:24] Today they updated it to 51. And uh they

[03:28] box office theory estimates that

[03:29] Supergirl will make around

[03:31] 65 million domestically. And I'm sorry

[03:33] that I don't think that was a $55

[03:34] million opening. No, it is an opening.

[03:36] So I think Oh man, I hope that's not a

[03:38] total gross they're saying. Dark Brandon

[03:40] has entered the chat. All right.

[03:42] >> Hello, Dark Brandon.

[03:44] >> Brandon over here.

[03:46] >> I just I put on the wrestling persona

[03:47] real quick.

[03:49] >> And however, the Batman did 772 million

[03:52] and people are looking forward to the

[03:53] Batman 2 and Man of Tomorrow. I'm

[03:56] curious where you guys land on this. Is

[03:57] it just too early? Do you think

[03:58] Supergirl will start slow and pick up?

[04:01] Can that even happen these days in

[04:02] modern day box office? And um do you

[04:06] think that we just need to kind of

[04:07] regress into more big uh popular heroes

[04:09] that people have heard of before they

[04:11] branch out into maybe properties like

[04:13] Supergirl, which aren't as marquee?

[04:14] Brandon, what do you think? What do you

[04:15] Are we going to flop?

[04:17] >> I I mean I think no matter what happens,

[04:19] people there are going to be a there's

[04:21] going to be a group of people that call

[04:22] this a flop no matter what it does. But,

[04:25] uh, realistically, [snorts] I mean, I

[04:27] think this one's going to be riding on

[04:29] word of mouth big time because the that

[04:33] initial review wave, the initial

[04:35] reaction wave is going to really stir up

[04:38] a lot of conversation. I think whether

[04:40] it's positive, negative, or just

[04:42] somewhere middling. And I think that the

[04:44] the the experience people have and the

[04:46] what they share about this movie is

[04:48] going to determine week two. So, I think

[04:50] week one it's a DC movie with a a

[04:53] mainline superhero. So, it's got that

[04:55] baked in like guaranteed $45 million.

[04:58] And then, you know, based on what you do

[04:59] with marketing, if it's not Batman

[05:01] Superman, you got to up that a bit. It

[05:03] seems like those day one pre-sales were

[05:05] really, really good from everything we

[05:08] keep seeing. And I don't think that's

[05:09] coming from DC trying to have like a

[05:11] positive spin. Every time I see it, it's

[05:13] global box office on Twitter or

[05:15] something. But, I think that first

[05:17] weekend is going to be It's gonna I

[05:20] think it'll go over 55 million unless

[05:22] reviews are just terrible. I think it

[05:23] goes up to like 65. Um even though it is

[05:26] week two of Toy Story, so that's a stiff

[05:28] competition as it is. Everybody's going

[05:29] to have gone to the movies a week

[05:31] earlier. But then I think week two is

[05:33] where the story is going to be. How does

[05:35] it what is the drop? If it's a really

[05:37] good movie, I think the drop is is is

[05:39] lower and it gets some legs and keeps

[05:41] going. If it uh if it isn't if it's

[05:44] anything less than really good, I think

[05:45] the drop is kind of significant.

[05:48] What drop do you think they would be

[05:49] happy? I mean, obviously something like

[05:52] Obsession with no drop, but that's not

[05:54] realistic. Mandalorian and Grou do less

[05:56] than 20%.

[05:57] >> No, no, I'm saying 20% Obsession style

[06:00] is where No, I

[06:03] >> Mandalorian should have come out five

[06:05] years ago.

[06:06] >> Yeah, sure.

[06:07] >> Yeah.

[06:08] >> Had a drop of like 80, right? Like it

[06:10] was ridiculous.

[06:12] >> Like 69. Anything over and I I didn't

[06:14] say that to be funny. It was like 69.

[06:16] Anything six?

[06:17] >> Yeah, we're six. Anything over eight,

[06:19] nine. Anything over 50% would would be I

[06:23] think they'll be celebrating uh in terms

[06:25] of a drop off. I I'm not worried even a

[06:28] little bit. Like if this movie makes 475

[06:33] million come the you know after its run

[06:36] I'm going to consider that an absolute

[06:38] win to quote Professor Hulk because we

[06:40] have to remember the DC EU had ran DC

[06:45] movies into the ground. It it they were

[06:48] at absolute bottom. They were below

[06:50] bottom. the movies that were coming out

[06:52] in those last few years of the DCU, the

[06:56] box office for those films was just

[06:58] absolutely embarrassing. And I'll say

[07:00] the same thing about Supergirl that I

[07:02] said about Superman is that the box

[07:05] office right now does not matter. What

[07:08] matters right now is to reestablish this

[07:11] brand, get uh, you know, make good with

[07:14] the audience and just put out a quality

[07:16] film. So I I think if Supergirl comes

[07:19] out and clears like 450, no, that's not

[07:22] breaking any box office records. But she

[07:24] is kind of a B character. She's a

[07:25] derivative character. So I don't know

[07:29] why anyone would call it a flop. Like if

[07:31] it comes in under, oh, if it doesn't

[07:32] make 700 million, it's a flop. That's

[07:34] ridiculous. It's a Supergirl movie. And

[07:36] I think that the the most important

[07:38] thing for it to do is just be super

[07:40] good. and and that will do wonders for

[07:43] this franchise and help set up for three

[07:45] or four years down the road from now

[07:47] when we're at like this fourth chapter

[07:49] of this Superman saga that could be a

[07:52] billion-dollar film.

[07:54] >> Well, I'll tell you, Colton, just sorry,

[07:56] Lee, give me just a second. I'm going to

[07:57] provide some context for what Colton was

[07:59] saying. I was paying attention. I was

[08:00] just typing in some figures here. Uh

[08:02] Black Adam opened at 60some million,

[08:04] which is over, you know, what uh

[08:07] Supergirl is. The Flash opened for what

[08:09] over Supergirl's projected for right now

[08:11] and Black Adam had a total worldwide

[08:13] gross of 393 million. The weird thing

[08:15] here, Supergirl's budget is could be as

[08:19] high as 225 million and to with print

[08:22] and all the great marketing they've been

[08:24] doing, they might need anywhere between

[08:25] 300 and 400 million to break even. Who

[08:27] knows? Because it's all secret. But the

[08:30] projections are all over the map.

[08:31] There's some outlets that are saying 500

[08:33] million and some are saying 200 million.

[08:35] But comparing it to the DCU,

[08:38] I mean, so far the DCU is tracking ahead

[08:39] of it.

[08:40] >> No.

[08:40] >> 200 million worldwide.

[08:43] >> Sorry,

[08:44] >> is that a 200 million worldwide

[08:46] prediction?

[08:46] >> I think it's domestic.

[08:47] >> It's ranging. No, ranging from 200 to

[08:50] 500 worldwide

[08:51] >> for Oh, for opening week. Are we talking

[08:53] opening weekend or total box office?

[08:55] >> Talking total.

[08:56] >> There's no scenario where this movie

[08:58] parks at 200 million worldwide. It could

[09:00] be it could be 11% on Rotten Tomatoes.

[09:03] It still makes me more.

[09:05] >> And speaking of 11% on Rotten Tomatoes,

[09:07] what's the what? Speaking of Black Adam,

[09:09] Black Adam sucked. And I like The Flash,

[09:12] but most people thought it sucked and

[09:15] nobody went and saw those movies after

[09:16] that opening weekend. I think if

[09:18] Supergirl is really good, it's going to

[09:20] have a positive word of mouth, and

[09:21] people are going to be turning out to

[09:23] see it, and it'll probably have way less

[09:27] of a drop off than those other films

[09:28] did. So I sure th those movies had maybe

[09:32] bigger opening weekends, but I think

[09:33] that Supergirl has a much better chance

[09:35] of actually having a bigger box office

[09:37] in the long run.

[09:38] >> I mean, also just

[09:41] >> you're good. Also, just to fight back a

[09:43] little against what you said earlier,

[09:44] Colon, Supergirl is very

[09:47] wellestablished. Like I know kind of

[09:51] side charactered her a little bit, but I

[09:53] mean she did have her own CW show

[09:56] >> in the general zeitgeist. I mean even

[09:59] those who are not fans of the comics or

[10:02] of the DCU

[10:04] Supergirl is known they woman of

[10:06] tomorrow a fantastic comic. I mean if

[10:09] you know comics if you know Supergirl

[10:11] first one to come into your mind. So, I

[10:14] think especially coming off the heels of

[10:16] Superman in kind of what was a bit of a

[10:20] production drought, it seems like in

[10:22] terms of conveyor belt of superhero

[10:24] movies, we went from having a lot of

[10:26] them at once to once a couple of years.

[10:29] And that's also, you know, with COVID,

[10:30] but now we're having the DCU starting

[10:33] with your first introduction of the

[10:36] super family last year and now the

[10:38] followup this year. Like if I didn't

[10:42] care about Superman, if I didn't care

[10:44] about if none of these posters meant

[10:47] anything to me, that alone gets me

[10:50] excited because I see that they're

[10:52] committed and this isn't just a

[10:54] franchise that's like, "All right, throw

[10:56] him in. Whatever." Like, this is

[10:58] >> something that seems hopeful in general.

[11:01] >> She's also Are there enough of you?

[11:05] >> She's far more What? She's also one in a

[11:07] million Superman.

[11:10] >> Hold on. You're Yeah, you are one in a

[11:12] million. That's true. Colton, what' you

[11:14] say?

[11:14] >> I was just saying she's also a far more

[11:16] interesting character than Superman.

[11:17] That I was just bouncing off of what Lee

[11:19] said.

[11:20] >> There is No, no, no. There is that. No,

[11:22] I mean, I know Lee would push back on

[11:23] that, but the fact that she watched her

[11:24] entire civilization die and, you know,

[11:27] and is dealing with that trauma

[11:28] directly, whereas Superman was able to

[11:30] mostly avoid that for his life. But to

[11:31] be somebody who is still good and kind

[11:33] and rises above that trauma. I love the

[11:36] marketing for this too. Like I think

[11:37] it's it's been phenomenal so far. Like

[11:39] the look up to lookout thing that

[11:41] they've been doing. And it's interesting

[11:42] because Supergirl was not part of that,

[11:46] you know, that first slate that they

[11:47] announced. Brandon, I think you got to

[11:48] go to that super secret meeting, right?

[11:50] >> I did. Yeah. Supergirl was not part of

[11:52] that. That was uh it seemed like it

[11:55] seemed like Batman Brave and Bold would

[11:56] have been one that was like going to be

[11:58] coming sooner than this, but uh yeah.

[12:00] Yeah. No, Supergirl was not part of

[12:01] that. But Supergirl was something I

[12:04] think the DC team before Gun and Saffron

[12:06] were already do like the writer of this

[12:08] Anna Negada wrote a Supergirl spin-off

[12:11] from the Flash for Sasha Cali to star

[12:13] in. And then that I don't know if it is

[12:15] at all similar to what we got here. Um,

[12:18] but I want Cole and there was a couple

[12:20] things you said that I think are worth

[12:21] pointing out and comparing to today's

[12:23] time because a Black Adam had a pretty

[12:26] decent box office. I didn't hate Black

[12:27] Adam. Granted, I don't really hate

[12:29] anything. There's only a few things I

[12:30] really think are terrible. Black Adam I

[12:32] certainly would not put as terrible. Not

[12:34] great, but it was whatever. Um, but I

[12:38] think at that time we still were not

[12:41] this far out of the superhero boom where

[12:43] every movie was printing money

[12:44] >> and The Rock could still sell movie

[12:46] tickets. He was still a person who

[12:48] everybody rallied behind and now the

[12:49] tides have turned on Dwayne Johnson and

[12:51] everybody's like tired of that guy for

[12:52] whatever reason. Um, but that that's one

[12:55] thing. The Flash was like I think The

[12:57] Flash doing anything at all was kind of

[13:00] surprising because that's another one

[13:01] that was like that movie just hung out

[13:03] to dry. Not only did it get abysmal

[13:05] reviews because I felt like we were all

[13:06] betrayed thinking the VFX were

[13:08] unfinished because I thought the story

[13:09] of that pretty good but the VFX were

[13:12] unforgivable. I can't believe

[13:13] >> Did you see it at Cineacon and so you

[13:14] thought those were unfinished VFX?

[13:16] >> Yeah, I was like

[13:18] >> finished VFX that's actually a pretty

[13:20] solid story. Say what you will about

[13:22] Ezra Miller. Pretty great.

[13:23] >> I love Flash. Yeah, I love Flash. I

[13:26] thought it was going to be a billion

[13:27] dollar film. Yeah.

[13:28] >> Yeah. And so I think like the

[13:29] comparisons are weird because the times

[13:31] have changed so much. You're looking at

[13:32] movies like Fantastic 4 that can come

[13:34] out and be a seven out of 10. And a

[13:36] seven out of 10 six years ago was enough

[13:38] to make a billion dollars and now it's

[13:40] half that just because the appetite has

[13:42] changed. So I think if with this you you

[13:45] have Superman footage you can release to

[13:46] sell tickets if you need to like break

[13:48] the glass in case of emergency, you can

[13:50] have James Gun jump on the marketing

[13:51] bandwagon if you need to. Um, but it's

[13:54] also a like the times have changed so

[13:56] much. Emmeilia Alco's not super famous

[13:59] yet. So, I think a lot of women are

[14:00] going to love this one. I think

[14:01] superhero fans are going to go see it.

[14:03] U, but I think it is it is a hard to

[14:05] compare this to the DC universe is

[14:07] trying to start at a time

[14:09] >> when people don't have the same appetite

[14:11] for superhero movies like they did 5, 10

[14:13] years ago. It's inarguably changed. So,

[14:15] we're comparing it to that because

[14:16] that's the golden era. But, we're out of

[14:17] the golden era.

[14:18] >> That's true.

[14:19] >> When you bring up Go ahead.

[14:22] I was just going to say I do have to say

[14:23] Black Adam it didn't even crack 400

[14:25] million worldwide. I feel like that's a

[14:27] pretty massive failure for a movie

[14:29] starring Dwayne the Rock Johnson. I I

[14:32] think that just kind of screams like

[14:33] like you said Dwayne the Rock Johnson,

[14:34] you know, he's a movie star. I feel like

[14:36] that kind of just shows us that he

[14:38] dragged that movie kicking and screaming

[14:40] to almost 400 million. Like it was

[14:43] really the current just like disdain for

[14:46] DC films that kind of brought that thing

[14:49] down. And so that that's why I think

[14:51] that what James Gun has managed to do

[14:53] with like Superman, I I think it's super

[14:56] impressive that he he was able to get

[14:58] that movie to make what it did.

[15:00] >> Yeah.

[15:01] >> Well, in just a second, I want to get to

[15:02] like the the Warner Brother Paramount of

[15:05] it all and Zack Snider. You know, Zack

[15:08] Snder won't let this go in one way or

[15:09] another. So, we'll talk about that in a

[15:11] second. Uh I do know Brandon, you

[15:12] briefly mentioned something that like

[15:13] you think um women will have a good time

[15:15] to come, you know, and come to the

[15:17] movie. Um, it's interesting because I

[15:19] never like with Supergirl, I never even

[15:21] thought like, oh yeah, femaleled

[15:23] superhero movie. I just think of it as

[15:24] Supergirl, like another superhero,

[15:26] right? And there was a point where like

[15:28] with Captain Marvel and Wonder Woman, it

[15:31] was a big deal. It was like, oh, we

[15:33] never had this before. But now we've had

[15:34] Black Widow and a few other things,

[15:36] Harley Quinn, etc. So, I I feel like the

[15:38] newness to that isn't there. Whereas

[15:41] maybe if Supergirl had been the first

[15:43] femaleled film of this modern era, it

[15:45] would have really pulled in people who

[15:47] don't normally maybe would normally go

[15:48] see opening weekend of a superhero film.

[15:50] >> Well, yeah, sure. I mean, it's also look

[15:51] at we're four dudes up here talking

[15:53] about superheroes. So, saying this on

[15:55] this panel might be out of pocket, but

[15:58] like

[15:59] emphasizing this is a woman-ledd

[16:01] superhero movie was a drilled talking

[16:03] point for everybody promoting those

[16:05] movies because they knew it was

[16:06] celebrated and it was selling tickets.

[16:08] the executives I don't think really

[16:10] maybe some of them did. I don't really

[16:11] give a movie studio executives too much

[16:13] moral credit. Like I'm not talking about

[16:16] Kevin Feige. I'm talking about like the

[16:17] people who spend the money and make the

[16:19] money. They're like, "Yeah, femaleled

[16:21] superhero movies are selling tickets.

[16:23] Let's make it more." And then now it's

[16:25] not a talking point anymore because it's

[16:26] happened a few times, not as many time,

[16:28] not nearly as many times as obviously

[16:31] maleled, but I think that that bubble of

[16:33] that being the talking point and being

[16:34] enough to sell a ticket has certainly

[16:36] burst. U if this Yeah. Yeah, if this

[16:38] came out in 2019,

[16:40] even the superhero bubble aside, I think

[16:42] that championing women in film would

[16:45] have helped this movie, too. And I think

[16:47] it still will a bit, but it's just

[16:49] >> I hope it doesn't,

[16:51] >> you know, you made fun of this at the

[16:52] start, man. I really hope

[16:53] >> again,

[16:54] >> if this movie comes out and it's as

[16:56] great as we think it's going to be, and

[16:57] there's still like bastard YouTube

[16:59] channels that still rip it just because

[17:01] it's a female. Like, if it's a great

[17:02] script, it's a great script. And earlier

[17:04] we talked about how James Gun, this was

[17:06] not part of their initial announcement.

[17:07] And he said, "Yeah, we got a great

[17:10] script." So, we put it ahead of things

[17:12] like The Authority or Brave and the Bold

[17:14] that just aren't there yet. And that's

[17:15] an interesting strategy that I hope

[17:17] works. You know, Marvel for years put

[17:18] the cart before the horse and it somehow

[17:20] worked. And then I think it caught up to

[17:22] them with Quantum Mania. But

[17:23] >> same thing with Clayface.

[17:26] >> I don't think Gunn is focused on the box

[17:28] office right now. He knows that the his

[17:30] number one goal needs to be putting out

[17:32] things that are just beloved and just

[17:35] critically acclaimed. That that's the

[17:36] goal.

[17:37] >> But also looking done beyond just the

[17:39] movies. Super Mr. Terrific and the

[17:43] engineer are in Fortnite. I mean, you

[17:46] did not you barely had merch for these

[17:49] movies

[17:50] >> that you like DC had a little tiny

[17:52] season in Fortnite from the the peak of

[17:54] Fortnite and Marvel had like five goes

[17:57] in there and 40 skins and you had maybe

[18:00] Aquaman I think when when the Last

[18:01] Kingdom was getting ready to come out or

[18:03] the first one I don't remember but it's

[18:05] just the and Fortnite is just a small

[18:07] example of what James Gun and I think

[18:10] large credit to Peter Saffron as well

[18:12] have done to build this brand and

[18:16] generate revenue and interest beyond

[18:19] just the literal movie theater.

[18:21] >> Lee, can I ask you something? So, what

[18:23] we're talking about here, what I'm

[18:24] getting from you guys is that James Gun

[18:26] is trying to build a house of cards. And

[18:29] of course, when you build a house of

[18:30] cards or any kind of house, you start

[18:31] with very small pieces. You make sure

[18:33] they're structurally sound. And if

[18:34] you're building like an archway, you

[18:36] build a keystone. Or if you're building

[18:37] a deer fence, if as the Screen Crush

[18:39] staff members know, I'm building a deer

[18:40] fence right now. Love to show images of

[18:42] it. I won't shut up about this. But Lee,

[18:45] in doing this though, if you're going to

[18:47] build this, yes, it needs to be quality.

[18:49] Yep. And James Gun is right there at the

[18:50] front. We'll talk about the streaming

[18:51] shows in a second. You look at the

[18:54] talent that he's getting together, Mike

[18:56] Flanigan, Damon Lindelof. Like, it's

[18:58] incredible. But wouldn't if you're doing

[19:00] that, wouldn't you want to start with

[19:02] Batman, the most popular DC character? I

[19:05] mean, wouldn't you want to take

[19:06] something like the Batman and build your

[19:08] universe around that? I mean,

[19:11] personally,

[19:12] >> like, you know, me, Ryan, I'm just gonna

[19:15] say yes because you said Batman. But

[19:18] genuinely speaking, no. Um, I think that

[19:21] right now,

[19:24] I kind of have settled, I'm of the mind,

[19:27] I don't want a Batman in the DCU yet

[19:31] because

[19:33] we have, dare I say, the perfect one.

[19:35] And we've had such a good one with

[19:37] Robert Patson that I think that if James

[19:40] were to start off with Batman for the

[19:43] DCU, it would constantly be a thing of

[19:46] comparison. It would be like, "Oh, look

[19:49] at what Matt Reeves is doing. They can't

[19:51] do that there. Look at what they're

[19:52] doing. They can't do this there." And

[19:53] it's just always no matter what they do,

[19:56] what fantastical story they tell, they

[19:58] could tell the best adaptation of Hush

[20:02] or whatever, and it will always always

[20:07] come with this was good. However, if it

[20:09] was Patson or if it was blah blah blah,

[20:11] it would have been so much better. And

[20:13] and you don't want to start a franchise

[20:15] with that. I I think that they're doing

[20:18] something very smart with the way that

[20:19] they're taking the characters that they

[20:21] focus on and making them, you know,

[20:23] their tidular spotlight characters. And

[20:26] with Peacemaker, for example, like who

[20:29] cared originally? You know what I mean?

[20:31] >> Who heard of him before this?

[20:33] >> Yeah. Who knew? Who cared? Now he's in

[20:37] has a cameo in all of the DCU projects

[20:39] so far. So

[20:41] >> he's a trend on Tik Tok. The Yeah.

[20:46] >> Yeah. I don't

[20:47] >> I will say this

[20:48] >> would love to see Batman. I'm okay with

[20:51] waiting

[20:52] >> and you know I love Peacemaker and I

[20:53] love everything they've put out so far,

[20:55] but I'm just kind of pointing out why

[20:56] I'm worried. Right. So Peacemaker,

[20:59] >> um I've got a few stats on it. Again,

[21:00] streaming stats, you'd never really

[21:02] know, right? Uh but during Peacemaker

[21:04] season 2 finale, the show as a whole

[21:06] barely cracked the Neielson top 10 and

[21:08] the finale counted for 42% of that watch

[21:10] time. Season 2 did have a 22% brewership

[21:12] increase during its premiere, but those

[21:15] numbers teetered off by time by the time

[21:17] season 2 is finished. But it does have a

[21:18] 94% score on Rotten Tomatoes. So, it

[21:20] seems like there seems to be a trend of

[21:23] the DCU making great [ __ ] that we love,

[21:26] but general audiences are lagging behind

[21:28] and haven't caught on yet.

[21:29] >> But you you build it, they will come.

[21:30] And I I know Brandon has to go here in a

[21:32] second, so I want to let him go. But I

[21:33] just want to say the MCU did so well

[21:37] because it did not have the crutch of

[21:39] Spider-Man and the X-Men when they did

[21:41] phases uh one through and most of three.

[21:45] I I think the DCU even though they could

[21:47] use Batman, I think they are smart to

[21:49] let Reeves just keep doing his Batman

[21:51] finish it and build a DCU without the

[21:54] crutch of Batman. Actually have to do it

[21:56] without that. like actually give

[21:58] themselves a challenge and build this

[22:00] really strong DCU and then bring Batman

[22:04] in it to make it all the more better.

[22:06] >> And I should note neither Captain

[22:08] America first Avenger nor Thor uh

[22:11] cracked 500 million. Thor did a little

[22:12] bit better than first Avenger actually,

[22:14] which surprised me.

[22:14] >> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. And then Avengers

[22:18] was crazy. Yeah.

[22:19] >> But the Justice League's a long way off.

[22:21] Brandon, go ahead. What were you gonna

[22:22] say?

[22:22] >> Oh, no. I I love Beastmaker. I'm I wish

[22:26] more people would watch that show, but

[22:27] that's a very R-rated adultoriented

[22:29] show, too. So, it's hard to,

[22:30] >> you know, I mean, that's a very R that's

[22:32] that's a hard R rating for uh for TV or

[22:36] hard TV MA, I guess.

[22:38] >> Well, what are your thoughts on not

[22:39] prioritizing the Batman or a Batman or

[22:41] Batman?

[22:42] >> I just think that might

[22:44] >> I I I I don't think he's thinking what's

[22:47] going to make the money. I think he's

[22:49] thinking I mean, I I think that has to

[22:51] be part of the thought. James Gunn

[22:54] understands the business, but I think he

[22:57] is genuinely sticking with this is what

[22:59] I believe in. This is the character that

[23:02] works right now. Sure. You know, it

[23:04] sounds like we're throwing Wonder Woman

[23:06] into Man of Tomorrow, but I really think

[23:08] he's doing that with a reason for doing

[23:10] it.

[23:11] >> Uh if that's if that ends up being true.

[23:13] So,

[23:14] >> I don't think they need Batman. I am of

[23:16] the belief that people would be confused

[23:18] if multiple Batmans were in movies at

[23:19] the same time. I I have debated that

[23:22] with James Gunn himself and he doesn't

[23:24] agree with me. But I just like yes,

[23:27] there are people who will just go see

[23:28] Batman and not care about the Penguin

[23:30] spin-off or the fact that it's a sequel

[23:32] or the fact that it's a new universe.

[23:33] They'll just buy a ticket to Batman

[23:34] because it's Batman. He's a character

[23:36] that is that popular.

[23:37] >> But I think to build a franchise, you

[23:39] you don't want that. You don't want

[23:40] confusion. You don't want like my mom to

[23:43] be like, "Wait, which I thought this

[23:44] other guy was Batman and now there's

[23:46] another Batman and which

[23:47] >> why is Batman old now? How many years

[23:48] has it been?"

[23:50] I think if you make the DCU Batman

[23:52] different enough, I I do think the

[23:53] general audience, especially with the

[23:55] multiverse and all that being so common

[23:56] place now, I I think they're smart

[23:58] enough to kind of catch on like, "Oh,

[24:00] that's a different one. Got it." But

[24:01] why? But why do that? But like, why do

[24:04] it? Like, why even risk the confusion or

[24:07] >> a full trilogy at this point? It's been

[24:09] six years between Batman movies.

[24:11] >> Like, are they actually gonna make a

[24:12] third movie?

[24:13] >> Dude, Lee and I did a video where I was

[24:15] Lee, I can't remember if you agreed with

[24:16] me, but I was calling for it. I was

[24:17] like, just cancel it at this point. I

[24:19] want the back hand, too. But either way,

[24:21] >> BUT LIKE PAINTER, PAINTER, GET OFF THE

[24:23] LADDER, MAN. DUDE, like what are we

[24:25] waiting on? [laughter]

[24:27] >> We always say where I'm going, where I'm

[24:28] from, [ __ ] or get off the pot. I've

[24:30] never heard painter get off the ladder.

[24:31] >> Well, I was going for [ __ ] or get off

[24:33] the pot, but I I sense it.

[24:34] >> No, Painter get off the ladder is

[24:35] better. It makes me think of Pepe Lew.

[24:37] It's fantastic. But, you know, Anna

[24:39] Nggerro, right? So, she did um she

[24:41] co-wrote this movie and DC apparently

[24:43] loves her work. You mentioned Brandon.

[24:44] She's she's attached to Wonder Woman now

[24:47] and Teen Titans which is a cool thing to

[24:49] hear. I don't know like do you know are

[24:51] they doing Teen Titans an animated deal

[24:53] or live action?

[24:54] >> There's actually I just I just before

[24:56] coming on here it's not going on my

[24:58] YouTube channel until

[25:00] >> like later in the middle of next week

[25:02] but I published it on my Patreon page. I

[25:04] did 40 minutes with her at the Supergirl

[25:06] junket and I 100% asked about Wonder

[25:09] Woman and Teen Titans. So, while I do

[25:12] wish all of you would go subscribe to my

[25:13] Patreon, I will give away the sauce

[25:15] right here to everybody who [laughter]

[25:16] hasn't listened. I mean, obvious there

[25:18] there wasn't much. She it was like the

[25:21] conversation was flowing so like it just

[25:23] felt like the most casual. She was so

[25:25] cool. She was so excited to talk about

[25:26] Supergirl. We talked about movies and

[25:28] stuff outside of Supergirl. And I said

[25:30] to her, I think the way I said it was

[25:32] like, "Hey, the streets are saying

[25:33] Wonder Woman." And she was like, "What?"

[25:36] And I was like, "And by the streets I

[25:37] mean the Hollywood trades." And she was

[25:39] just like, I don't know anything about

[25:40] that. And I was like, I don't believe

[25:42] you. I said, they're also saying Teen

[25:43] Titans. And she was like, I don't know

[25:45] anything about that. And I asked her,

[25:47] okay, so you know, that aside, is there

[25:49] a character you think would be fun to

[25:50] work on or see in the DC? And she said,

[25:51] Catwoman. So it was just like word. She

[25:55] did not want to touch Wonder Woman Teen

[25:57] Titans. And I heard similar from other

[25:59] people who interviewed her and asked

[26:01] her, we all are going to ask, "Hey,

[26:02] what's up with Wonder Woman when you get

[26:03] time?"

[26:04] >> Yeah. And I'm only saying what I'm

[26:06] saying because I literally just saw it

[26:07] on the internet. I will say this is

[26:08] interesting. I'm one degree separated

[26:10] from her. My wife just wrote a play

[26:12] called Camping that's about to go up in

[26:13] New York and the director has worked

[26:15] with Anna. So, we were just having like

[26:16] drinks like at their dinner break

[26:18] yesterday and she brought this up and I

[26:20] was like, "Hell, I hadn't even heard

[26:22] that because it hadn't been officially

[26:23] announced." I hope it's true. I mean,

[26:24] she's apparently a great playwright and

[26:27] uh the show went well, too. My wife's

[26:29] show Camping, it opened um had their

[26:32] first preview. It was great. I cried.

[26:33] It's fantastic time.

[26:35] >> Yeah, I it's it's crazy. I'm really Teen

[26:37] Titans, man. That's really exciting.

[26:39] That's the kind of thing I thought they

[26:40] would do way down the line after the

[26:42] main characters are introduced and you

[26:44] have the sidekicks like if they're still

[26:45] doing Brave and the Bold are is Tim

[26:47] Drake going to be in Teen Titans or is

[26:50] it going to be Dick Grayson and that's

[26:51] we're going to see him transition to

[26:52] Nightwing leaving room for Damian

[26:55] >> to step in? It's really exciting stuff.

[26:56] >> I think they would put Damian probably

[26:58] in Teen Titans if they're going to

[27:00] introduce

[27:00] >> No, I think they would if Well, no. I

[27:02] think that's the point of Brave and the

[27:04] Bold, though, is it's supposed to be

[27:05] about Bruce raising Damian, so they got

[27:07] to get his current Robin out of the way

[27:08] first.

[27:09] >> Out of the way. Gotcha. Gotcha. Gotcha.

[27:11] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But that's a fun

[27:12] dynamic, too, when Damian shows up and

[27:14] Tim's still in the Batcave. Like, who

[27:15] the hell is this little murder monster?

[27:17] Brandon, you got to go. It's 2:30,

[27:18] right?

[27:18] >> I just I I I got like I guess they I'm

[27:21] supposed to get on a call. They haven't

[27:22] texted me that they're calling yet. So,

[27:23] I'll stay 10 more minutes.

[27:24] >> Just give us just give us one of these

[27:26] and we'll say,

[27:28] "Hey, hey, so uh

[27:29] >> give us the signal.

[27:30] >> Cool. I'll just put these on. I'll put

[27:32] these on and this means I'm back in.

[27:34] >> You'll become dark Brandon. Got it. Got

[27:35] it. Got it. So, look,

[27:37] >> let's get into the finance aspect,

[27:39] though, because it's really nice. And by

[27:40] the way, I I don't think I need to say

[27:42] this. James Gun has been here on the

[27:43] channel. His dog is a fan of my dog,

[27:46] which is insane. Um, I love James Gunn

[27:49] as a person, as a music fan, as a

[27:51] creator. So, none of this is a knock on

[27:52] the quality of the DCU. I'm worried

[27:54] about the Ellison's. So, here's what we

[27:57] know, and I'm sorry I don't have the

[27:59] source for this where where we know this

[28:02] from. Um, on March 10th, 2026, David

[28:05] Ellison visited the Warner Brothers lot

[28:07] to meet with executive producers,

[28:08] including Peter Saffron. One attendee

[28:10] described his meeting as peruncter and

[28:12] full of platitudes. Another said he was

[28:14] very theatrical, but he claimed to love

[28:16] DC. Ellison congratulated the WB team,

[28:19] saying, "You've made two of the best

[28:20] movies from last year. I won't tell you

[28:22] which ones." Many outlets pointed out

[28:24] that Gun dodged this meeting, but that's

[28:27] because he was filming in Atlanta, which

[28:28] I 100% believe.

[28:31] I'm worried the Ellison are going to

[28:32] come in anytime somebody buys something

[28:34] or a new boss or manager comes in, they

[28:37] always want to raise a leg on something.

[28:39] They'll come in and say, "Look, this may

[28:41] have been good enough for Zazlav because

[28:42] he was desperate and he was trying to

[28:44] compete with Marvel and the other thing

[28:45] didn't work, but now we're coming in,

[28:47] baby, and we want to Why are you doing

[28:49] things? Why aren't you doing Batman? You

[28:50] know, Aquaman made a billion dollars.

[28:52] How come you're not doing an Aquaman?

[28:54] Why? Where is Wonder Woman? Like they

[28:56] may be pushing for that and going, "Why

[28:58] is Green Lantern a TV show? It should be

[29:00] a big show." I I kind of feel like they

[29:03] would do that. What do you guys think?

[29:06] >> He hasn't done it with Paramount. He's

[29:07] done nothing with Paramount. So, I don't

[29:09] know. I feel like

[29:11] >> to buy Warner Brothers

[29:13] >> all they've done shut down Star Trek

[29:15] >> MCU

[29:16] >> like back in didn't Par is Paramount

[29:19] sold the MCU rights right when it was

[29:21] blowing up.

[29:22] >> Well, they didn't quite

[29:24] >> Yeah, I guess but Disney bought Marvel

[29:27] so and their deal expired after the

[29:28] Avengers. So, yeah, it's not like they

[29:30] sold them, but

[29:31] >> they weren't really given an option to

[29:33] fight for them.

[29:34] >> Oh, okay.

[29:34] >> I was gonna say like

[29:36] >> this to me seems very easily

[29:38] explainable. Like if I were gun in a

[29:40] meeting with the Ellison's why we

[29:42] wouldn't do Batman already have a Batman

[29:45] that though it's not the DCU in WB it's

[29:48] still in WB making money why are we

[29:51] going to interfere with that and maybe

[29:52] risk a flop

[29:54] >> lot of money

[29:55] >> um

[29:55] >> exactly and so though it is DCU verse

[30:00] the other DC properties of Warner

[30:03] Brothers I I don't think that the

[30:05] Ellison's would mess with any

[30:08] DC uh plans or properties within Warner

[30:12] Brothers because it seemed profitable so

[30:15] far and and Gun seems to have a path

[30:18] going forward. There is word of mouth

[30:20] and excitement about the stuff to come

[30:22] out of the DCU and other you know the

[30:26] Reeves crimes verse crimes verse. Um, so

[30:30] I I don't see that there would be any up

[30:33] in arms about DC not making money

[30:36] unless, you know,

[30:38] Supergirl flops, which I don't ever see

[30:41] happening, truthfully. So,

[30:43] >> well, let me throw this out. Let me Oh,

[30:45] go ahead, Brandon. Sorry.

[30:47] >> I mean, the the thing that comes to mind

[30:48] for me is like Steven Cobar. [snorts]

[30:52] Like, not that not that James Gunn is

[30:54] >> Yeah. some sort of outspoken person

[30:56] similarly to how Steven Cobar is in any

[30:58] sense.

[30:59] >> Not anymore.

[31:01] >> Not anymore.

[31:02] >> But uh I just think that the political

[31:04] alignment in the storytelling in the DC

[31:06] universe doesn't seem to be the same

[31:08] political alignment that we see from

[31:10] people at the top of Paramount. And

[31:12] could that be a factor? I hope not. I

[31:14] really really hope not. I

[31:15] >> I don't know what you're talking about.

[31:16] Is there some correlation between the

[31:18] villains in the DCU and real life

[31:20] people? I

[31:21] >> uh I'll take your Steven Colbear and

[31:24] I'll I'll raise you a Taylor Sheridan.

[31:26] He man what is little Ellison David

[31:29] Ellison? Is that the little one?

[31:31] >> Yeah, I think so. I can't I can never

[31:32] remember. I got to mix it up.

[31:34] >> He scared off Paramount's cash cow.

[31:37] Taylor Sheridan was their most valuable

[31:39] asset. I'd say probably even more

[31:40] valuable than Tom Cruz. And they scared

[31:43] him off. And to Brandon's point, it was

[31:45] because he got pushed to do a

[31:47] right-leaning show that was super

[31:50] political that he didn't want to do. And

[31:52] this is coming from a guy that already

[31:54] made shows that were rightwing coded for

[31:57] middle America. So, I I hope that David

[32:01] doesn't what like Yellowstone and

[32:04] >> Well, but they're they're Democrats in

[32:05] Yellowstone, though. Like the family are

[32:07] are all Democrats, which is interesting.

[32:09] But you're right. I think it is

[32:10] right-wing coded.

[32:12] No, he he runs as an independent. But

[32:14] anyway I

[32:15] >> No, there's a specific episode though

[32:17] where he says, "I would never vote for a

[32:18] Republican." It's like because I

[32:19] remember hearing that and going

[32:20] >> that's kind of weird for Yellowstone.

[32:21] Yeah. Anyways,

[32:22] >> I don't think James sounded like a super

[32:24] political person. I mean, I remember

[32:25] being at the like I I don't know if he

[32:27] he sure was. And I don't know if he's I

[32:28] assume he still has his beliefs,

[32:30] >> but I mean I remember being at the

[32:31] Superman trailer event and somebody as

[32:33] tried to set him up with a question

[32:34] about filming in Atlanta and just

[32:36] filming in Georgia and something had

[32:37] just happened in Georgia. I don't know.

[32:39] something's always happening in Georgia,

[32:40] in the southeast, all that. And he just

[32:42] said like he gave a very,

[32:44] >> in my opinion, fair answer, which was,

[32:46] >> look, I live in Georgia. I have a home

[32:48] in Georgia. We film in Georgia. We work

[32:50] with great people. I don't know my

[32:51] nextdoor neighbors politics, per se, but

[32:53] they're beautiful people who I get along

[32:54] with.

[32:55] >> I'm paraphrasing, but

[32:58] >> he's very political. when when we had

[33:00] him on here when we were I mean he just

[33:02] he toned it down and I think in a and

[33:04] does he goes about it a really smart way

[33:06] and doesn't try to shock people like

[33:07] when he was on here he talked about the

[33:10] correlations between himself and Auggie

[33:12] speech alt Auggie speech in season two

[33:15] of Peacemaker and he correlated it to

[33:17] his own life and not being able to do

[33:19] things so you donate to causes and you

[33:21] do what you can etc. So, I just think

[33:23] that's where he's at most.

[33:24] >> But he is James Gunn is so good at

[33:26] playing dumb because people will ask

[33:28] him, "Oh, did this scene in Superman

[33:31] parallel this scene?" And he'll kind of

[33:32] go,

[33:33] >> "Oh, is that is that what you took from

[33:35] that?"

[33:36] Like, he doesn't he doesn't like shove

[33:38] your face in it, but it's there like and

[33:40] he just like lets you know like, "Yeah,

[33:42] if that's what you're picking up." Okay.

[33:44] Yeah. No, I'm just telling

[33:45] >> it's like the disclaimer at the opening

[33:46] of South Park. All these celebrity

[33:48] voices have been impersonated poorly.

[33:50] you know, it's like you can't ever pin

[33:51] anything on them.

[33:52] >> Here's what's good news is I think that

[33:54] in about two and a half years, a certain

[33:57] person is going to be out of a certain

[33:59] job and we won't have to worry about it

[34:00] as much anymore because and I also think

[34:03] that certain person is far more focused

[34:05] on controlling what CNN puts out than

[34:08] what

[34:09] >> Superman says. You know what I mean?

[34:11] >> Don't think we're going to get

[34:12] Peacemaker the intro musical on the

[34:14] White House lawn for 25. [laughter]

[34:19] So, I'll throw this out there. You guys

[34:20] have convinced me of one thing, right?

[34:22] So,

[34:23] >> I don't actually know if the Ellison's

[34:25] care about making money. They have

[34:26] money. They didn't go out and buy two

[34:29] movie studios that were losing money in

[34:31] order to make money. They went out and

[34:33] bought movie studios because they want

[34:35] control and they want power. Now, when I

[34:37] say control, I don't necessarily mean

[34:39] controlling the hearts and minds of

[34:40] people. I think they like uh the little

[34:42] one, it's weird. I can never remember

[34:43] which one's which. David, I'm pretty

[34:45] sure is the younger one. David wanted

[34:48] control of the movie industry. He wants

[34:49] to be able to make the movies that he

[34:51] always wanted to make because he didn't

[34:52] like when Paramount would slam doors and

[34:54] on Sky Dance's face, right? So, he wants

[34:57] to do this and he likes a particular

[34:58] kind of movie and DC falls into those

[35:01] kinds of movies. So, again, I don't know

[35:03] that they would look at say Supergirl

[35:06] losing money. I think they would go,

[35:08] "Yeah, that was the last regime." But I

[35:09] do think they would say, "Yeah, but why

[35:11] are we doing movies like Supergirl? for

[35:13] doing DC, you know, we should do and if

[35:16] it's not Batman, it's something else

[35:17] that is more in line with the kind of

[35:19] movies that Sky Dance made, which for

[35:21] the most part were bad and didn't make

[35:23] money.

[35:24] >> Maybe James Gun can throw him a bone and

[35:25] let him do uh Elseorld's something.

[35:31] >> Maybe if he wants to be directly

[35:33] involved, I'm not sure. But that's what

[35:34] scares me the most is the idea that

[35:36] they're not profit motivated, that

[35:38] they're motivated simply by wanting to

[35:40] do something creative. I do think though

[35:42] this is not a guy who grew up reading

[35:44] comic books talking about you know the

[35:45] Ellison's they basically see this as

[35:48] like an important IP and an important

[35:50] arm but the stuff he wants to develop

[35:52] are probably I would be shocked if

[35:54] there's not a Matrix reboot like within

[35:57] five years whichowski is not involved I

[36:00] think that's 100% going to happen it's

[36:02] like the biggest most well-known IP they

[36:03] have outside of DC

[36:05] >> yeah I mean think about Disney getting

[36:07] Fox they that was largely a Disney plus

[36:10] play I think as Well, because they knew

[36:11] streaming was coming and they needed to

[36:13] have a full catalog.

[36:14] >> Yeah.

[36:15] >> You know, and then they, you know,

[36:16] Predator is back and The Simpsons are

[36:18] doing stuff every chance they can and

[36:20] things like that. So,

[36:21] >> I wouldn't be shocked if if a lot of the

[36:23] Warner Brothers properties start

[36:25] >> getting new life or or starting over,

[36:27] like you said, like The Matrix, for

[36:28] example, um, under Paramount. But, I

[36:31] don't know. I'm not I'm not super

[36:33] worried about DC, to be honest, though.

[36:34] I'm really not super worried about Gun

[36:36] and Saffron's DC Studios despite the

[36:40] studio change. Um because I think

[36:43] they've they've proved themselves and

[36:45] the brand is already so delicate given

[36:47] the track record that I think if you

[36:49] have it going in a good direction and

[36:51] you start over again, who coming in for

[36:53] that? like who

[36:55] >> is and they would have and they would

[36:57] have to start over because of the

[36:59] relationships that Gun forms with his

[37:01] people. If they if they uh screw over

[37:05] gun,

[37:05] >> corn sweat's gone.

[37:07] >> In like the height of cancel culture,

[37:10] actors went to bat for James Gunn. Like

[37:12] when when cancel culture meant everybody

[37:14] had to go as far away from that person

[37:16] as possible and abandon them,

[37:18] >> like the cast of Guardians was like, I

[37:20] don't give a [ __ ] I love sorry I don't

[37:21] know if I could curse on here but they

[37:23] essentially were like I I love this guy

[37:24] and I don't want to make another

[37:25] Guardians movie unless it's with him and

[37:27] I think that

[37:28] >> something about James Gunn the way he

[37:30] supports his actors the way he lets them

[37:32] do it makes them feel a part of

[37:33] something and makes them a part of

[37:35] something they don't want to do the

[37:37] anything that he gives them the first

[37:39] opportunity for unless it basically has

[37:40] his blessing where he's directly

[37:42] involved and I I completely respect

[37:44] that. So, I do think Yeah, you're right.

[37:46] If if if guns out, I I think everybody

[37:49] follows suit.

[37:51] >> For sure.

[37:51] >> Well, here's the thing.

[37:53] >> Oh, yeah. No, Saffron's definitely gone.

[37:55] That's his producing partner. Go ahead,

[37:56] >> Brandon. But I don't think they're going

[37:57] anywhere. I really don't. I think that

[37:59] at least for a long time, at least for

[38:01] like five years at least, I'd say,

[38:03] because Supergirl's here. This deal take

[38:07] a little bit longer. Lanterns is coming.

[38:09] Playface is done.

[38:10] >> Man of Tomorrow's halfway through,

[38:12] almost halfway through production.

[38:14] You'd have to really change course and

[38:16] just basically abandon these. I just

[38:18] >> within five years though, the Justice

[38:20] League will have been out and that's the

[38:21] ultimate test. Can it make more than the

[38:23] box office of the Justice League? I

[38:25] within five years.

[38:27] >> I don't think so.

[38:28] >> I just want him

[38:30] >> I just want him to finish his Superman.

[38:32] What does he call it? It's like four

[38:33] films. It's

[38:35] >> his Superman.

[38:35] >> Superman family. Oh yeah, the Superman

[38:38] family. So

[38:39] >> I kind of feel like it might be within

[38:42] five years. I don't know because there's

[38:43] things that are kind of getting a little

[38:45] bit more fast-tracked like Wonder Woman

[38:47] and I'm curious if other members of the

[38:49] Justice League are also start you know

[38:51] like at first they were like oh we're

[38:52] going to do you know Paradise Lost and

[38:54] the Civil War and theme this Game of

[38:56] Thrones type show and then now all of a

[38:57] sudden it's no we're going I I think

[38:59] they might I think behind the scenes

[39:01] they might be looking at it and going

[39:03] >> oh actually we just got a great pitch

[39:05] for this and for that. I think he

[39:07] definitely wants to finish his Superman

[39:09] movies. I'm sure James Gunn is gonna do

[39:11] Just Justice League, but I think it

[39:12] might come within five years for sure.

[39:13] >> I mean, you've got a point that what

[39:15] Avengers was four years after Iron Man.

[39:17] So, yeah. I mean, yeah.

[39:19] >> I just I don't think

[39:23] five years from now, we are what in the

[39:26] midst of or just after the Marvel reboot

[39:30] like the Secret Wars coming off the

[39:32] heels of that.

[39:33] >> Oh, years after that. Yeah,

[39:35] >> few years after that. I don't

[39:38] see people wanting to experience the

[39:42] same thing, if you know what I mean. I

[39:44] feel like coming off of Secret Wars, we

[39:46] just had these big

[39:49] like Avengers movies, these big teamup

[39:52] movies. I don't think that having Just

[39:54] Justice League come out at that time,

[39:56] another big teamup movie.

[39:59] That doesn't seem like a big draw to the

[40:01] audience in my opinion. I as a comic fan

[40:04] like I feel like I would be

[40:07] >> a bit fatigued by that. I don't know.

[40:10] >> Well, no. Lee, think about your timeline

[40:11] though because Avengers: Secret Wars

[40:13] comes out in 2027.

[40:14] >> Yeah.

[40:14] >> And then the reboot or whatever is in is

[40:17] in 2028. I'm talking about a Justice

[40:18] League movie.

[40:20] >> 2026, guys. Sorry.

[40:22] >> That's okay.

[40:23] >> Yeah, it's

[40:25] >> Yeah,

[40:25] >> I get worse. We do have some super chats

[40:28] to get through and super chats as always

[40:30] are encouraged but not required. We'll

[40:31] get to those in a second. But I will say

[40:33] this, like I you guys keep saying, well,

[40:35] they wouldn't start over. They wouldn't

[40:36] start over. Gum would be gone. Saff.

[40:37] Yeah, they would be gone, but I don't

[40:39] think that they would necessarily want

[40:40] to start over. I think that and maybe WB

[40:43] wouldn't fall for this twice, but man,

[40:44] Zack Snider's Instagram is still full of

[40:49] Justice League stuff. He's still, these

[40:51] are not old posts. He is still posting

[40:54] this stuff. I really think if they went

[40:57] to Zack Snyder and I think he would do

[40:58] this for personal reasons and they were

[41:00] like, "Hey, I know you're working on the

[41:02] Rebel Moon cinematic universe, but if

[41:03] you want to put that down for a second

[41:05] and work on how would you like to

[41:07] fulfill your Justice League trilogy, I

[41:09] think he would jump at it." I don't know

[41:10] if Warner Brothers would actually think,

[41:13] yeah, there's a market for that after

[41:14] the Who Gives a [ __ ] reception of the SN

[41:16] cut. But again, we're not talking about

[41:18] Warner Brothers. We're talking about the

[41:20] Ellison's and we're talking about the

[41:21] kind of movies that they personally want

[41:23] to see.

[41:25] I just think you can always count on

[41:26] people to do the dumbest thing possible,

[41:28] which is why I'm worried.

[41:30] >> Mimoa wouldn't do it. I don't think

[41:31] Affleck would do it.

[41:33] >> The cast I don't think the cast is

[41:35] doing.

[41:36] >> I I think I look I am a fan of Zack

[41:39] Snder and sometimes like each passing

[41:42] day it does get a little bit harder

[41:45] >> Zack Snder on the internet.

[41:46] >> I am a fan of Zack Snder 100%.

[41:47] >> And the internet thinks I hate Zack

[41:49] Snider's work. I I'm a huge dude. I

[41:51] think I love a lot of Zack Snider stuff

[41:53] and I like even the stuff that people

[41:55] say is shitty and sometimes it actually

[41:56] is shitty more than a lot of other

[41:57] people anyway. Uh like dude, Army of the

[42:00] Dead. Love that movie.

[42:01] >> Dawn of the Dead

[42:03] >> Army of the Dead is one of my it might

[42:05] be my favorite Zack Snider movie after

[42:08] >> of of BBS. And I mean even Zack Snider's

[42:11] Justice League. That thing was way too

[42:13] long, but I really liked it a lot. I'm

[42:14] not here to lie about it.

[42:15] >> It was really good.

[42:17] >> Dawn of the Dead. I don't know who in

[42:19] their right mind he thought he was to

[42:21] try to put a 4-hour movie in theaters

[42:22] because that was never going to happen.

[42:23] I don't care what IP you're working on,

[42:25] >> but it was still really good. Um, but

[42:28] that said, I also think this dude is an

[42:30] actual genius because he just

[42:32] understands his audience.

[42:34] >> He is working these people so well. Like

[42:37] he knows he is keeping his engagement

[42:39] up. He is keeping people riled up. You

[42:41] can have a abysmal flop like Rebel Moon.

[42:44] I'll be honest, that is probably one of

[42:46] my least favorite Zack Snider things

[42:47] ever is Rebel Moon. I really didn't care

[42:49] for it. Parts of it were dope.

[42:52] >> Oh, no. It's so bad. It It kind of like

[42:55] redefineses bad. I still haven't seen

[42:56] the second one.

[42:57] >> That's a fair statement to say that it's

[43:00] really bad.

[43:02] >> But looks amazing. Like there's visuals

[43:05] in that that just blow me the hell away.

[43:07] But

[43:08] >> yeah, and he's not he's not out here

[43:09] posting Rebel Moon throwback photos

[43:11] because I think he's like, "Well, that's

[43:13] come and gone." Whatever. I don't even

[43:14] know. I I am honestly not up to date on

[43:17] the Rebel Moon news cycle. If there's

[43:20] actually more of those that he's trying

[43:21] to do, I have no idea. It sounds like

[43:23] it's done. But I just the photos he

[43:26] posts, I think he's incredibly smart. I

[43:28] think he does love the characters. And I

[43:30] think pair that with he knows how to

[43:32] work the audience to keep the engagement

[43:33] and keep the like just relevance through

[43:36] some of that because it's his biggest

[43:38] thing he's done. And I'm a fan. I love

[43:39] Man of Steel and I think he's he's doing

[43:42] it tomorrow. It's just like what?

[43:43] >> Hey, next week do you want to come on

[43:44] and defend it? We're going to have a a

[43:46] [ __ ] brewhaha about that movie. We're

[43:48] going to start we want to do a thing

[43:49] where we bring up old movies on here.

[43:51] That's too bad. Colton's gonna be the

[43:52] lone defender. It would have been good

[43:53] to have had you.

[43:54] >> I gotta I gotta pop out. Man of Steel

[43:56] does deserve the signal being hated on.

[43:59] I want to say as I go if anybody want is

[44:01] interested I'm giving away this uh Lobo

[44:04] fine art print by Alex Garner Jason

[44:07] Mamoa interview it's totally sold out I

[44:09] think it's like a hundred bucks I want

[44:11] to keep it but I promise side I'd do a

[44:12] giveaway for it

[44:13] >> so on my YouTube channel on the Jason

[44:15] Mamoa interview the top comment on

[44:17] Supergirl's opening day I'm going to

[44:19] it's US only so sorry I'm not a

[44:20] bazillionaire to me I'm not Elon Musk

[44:22] with a trillion dollars uh I got to I

[44:24] got to keep the shipping reasonable um

[44:26] but yeah so anyway man of steel is right

[44:29] in DC universe. I don't think it's going

[44:30] anywhere.

[44:31] >> All right. I hope you're right about I

[44:33] hope you're half right there. I'll talk

[44:34] to you later, Brandon. Thanks so much.

[44:35] We'll have Brandon's YouTube channel

[44:37] linked below later on. Thank you.

[44:39] >> All right. There goes Brandon. So, let's

[44:41] uh let's let the real man talk now,

[44:42] guys. What a day. What [laughter] a

[44:44] terrible human. We all knew this day

[44:47] would come when Brandon would abandon

[44:49] us. Let's get to a couple super chats.

[44:51] Um I'm curious what everybody has to

[44:53] say. I know this like restore the Snider

[44:55] verse thing, it's a hashtag that's so

[44:56] tired. it. Um, it it seems like a joke

[45:00] at this point, but again, even if some

[45:01] of the cast didn't want to return, I

[45:03] feel like Caval, he's doing other [ __ ]

[45:05] but he got the rug jerk from out jerked

[45:07] out from under him. Maybe Affleck

[45:09] doesn't want to come back, but maybe

[45:10] they could recast. Like, there's other

[45:12] Ezra Miller, I'm sure, would love to

[45:14] come back. And hell, even Mimoa, I think

[45:17] he'd rather play Lobo than Aquaman.

[45:19] Yeah.

[45:19] >> But he also feels a lot of loyalty to

[45:22] Zack Snyder. You know, Galgadot, they

[45:24] all do. He pulled them some of them out

[45:26] of relative obscurity and made them into

[45:29] big box office worldwide stars. Um, go

[45:32] ahead.

[45:32] >> I think GDAU would do it. I think Caval

[45:34] would do it. I think

[45:36] >> Ezra would do it.

[45:38] >> I don't No chance Affleck would.

[45:40] >> Yeah. And what about Cyborg? Didn't he

[45:43] have a falling out?

[45:44] >> Ray Fischer would. Oh, no. Ray Fischer

[45:46] would be the first to sign up to do it.

[45:48] Yeah, he 100% would come back.

[45:49] >> Yeah. Um, Michael Rodini gave us $5 and

[45:52] said, "I'm way more excited for the

[45:53] Gunverse than most Marvel projects these

[45:55] days." Come on, soft reboot.

[45:58] >> Yeah, who would have thought? I mean, in

[46:01] 2013 or let's even say 2016, which in

[46:05] some ways was like the Apex and the

[46:06] Nater of the Snider versse and you had

[46:08] Marvel coming out with like Civil War

[46:10] and Promising Spider-Man and Black

[46:12] Panther. what these past 10 years hath

[46:15] wrought, my friends, that it would have

[46:18] turned like that.

[46:20] >> You broke up a little on my end there at

[46:22] the end, but yeah, I

[46:24] >> I'm really

[46:24] >> It throws up on me, too. Yeah.

[46:26] >> Oh, okay. I I'm glad that DC is back on

[46:29] its feet, and I I think that Gun is

[46:32] really the only I won't say the only one

[46:34] that could have done it, but one of the

[46:35] few that could have pulled it off.

[46:37] >> A short list.

[46:39] >> I think Marvel and DC feel the same way

[46:40] about that. I think for both of them in

[46:42] the movie industry they think a rising

[46:44] tide raises all ships whereas in the

[46:46] comic industry there is literally a

[46:49] limited amount of shelf space. So th

[46:51] that rivalry is actually traditionally

[46:53] way more heated. You even go back to the

[46:55] 1930s and 40s when like the mob was

[46:57] involved and they were like burning down

[46:58] news stands for you know carrying the

[47:00] wrong like it it was a wild wild west

[47:02] kind of period

[47:04] >> uh down in the lower east side. But now

[47:06] in the movie industry they all want to

[47:08] succeed. They all want everything to do

[47:10] well. so different for movies because if

[47:12] you go see a shitty Marvel movie, you

[47:14] don't want to go see that next DC movie

[47:15] and vice versa. You're like, I didn't

[47:17] have a fun time last time I saw a comic

[47:18] book movie. I'm kind of over that.

[47:20] >> I wonder how much MorbiiUs and those

[47:22] Sony movies hurt the Marvel brand if it

[47:25] was more

[47:25] >> I think enough that Marvel could file a

[47:28] suit [laughter] like Mike.

[47:29] >> Honest to God, thought they would. We

[47:31] had Mike on. Um,

[47:33] >> by the way, Mike, you know, Mike Mike

[47:34] Doug's attorney sent me a great standup.

[47:36] I'll tell you guys, he he sent me a

[47:38] standup bit about being on this YouTube

[47:40] channel and like defending the idea of a

[47:41] black Indiana Jones uh to a friend and

[47:43] it it's a great bit. I wish I had a clip

[47:44] up to show you guys. He's a great comic.

[47:46] But anyways, uh Mike um made that point

[47:51] about Sorry, I got distracted. I was

[47:52] thinking about Mike's bit. We were

[47:53] talking about

[47:54] >> Sony films and if Marvel could sue

[47:56] >> Yeah. Yeah. He made that point. He came

[47:57] on in a legal capacity and talked about

[47:59] how Marvel could actually sue them for

[48:02] Madam Web because it was so bad and like

[48:04] demean the Marvel brand so much. Well,

[48:05] it's brand information and they try to

[48:08] pretend it's in the MCU, so they have a

[48:10] direct connection like you were trying

[48:11] to pretend you're in our franchise when

[48:13] you're not.

[48:14] >> Like, yeah,

[48:15] >> I think they misrepresented to the

[48:16] actors, too, because they all like

[48:18] Marvel Studios in their Instagram posts,

[48:20] which is

[48:22] >> everything about that movie is such a

[48:23] cluster [ __ ] It's incredible. Like,

[48:26] watch

[48:26] >> they should have sued and said, "We'll

[48:28] settle for the rights back."

[48:31] >> Yeah. No, that's the kind of settlement

[48:33] only Elon Musk has enough money to pay

[48:35] for that.

[48:37] >> Sony also with their uh Spiderverse lack

[48:41] of Spider-Man thereof.

[48:43] >> Um I think ruined like you were saying

[48:47] earlier Ryan with DC being like do other

[48:51] characters than Supergirl. I think Sony

[48:53] ruined that ability for other franchises

[48:56] genuinely

[48:57] >> because

[48:59] when you like I was gonna say what other

[49:02] characters would you do if they're not

[49:03] doing Batman

[49:05] Wonder Woman I get but Aquaman is that

[49:09] going to be a marquee movie nowadays

[49:10] like Green Arrow the Flash

[49:13] >> Aquaman wasn't a marquee movie the

[49:15] second one you didn't

[49:17] >> and so it's like I I feel like now

[49:19] coming off the heels of the Sony verse

[49:22] and the something to do about Spider-Man

[49:25] of it all. I don't think that any studio

[49:28] would take a chance on their like well

[49:30] maybe we could make a connected universe

[49:32] of these when you can just wait to use

[49:35] Batman later down the line and focus on

[49:38] characters that maybe are in and out of

[49:40] the Justice League more than in the

[49:42] Justice League full time.

[49:45] >> I hope so. Again, if I think it's a

[49:47] brand a quality a brand name quality

[49:49] issue when it comes to DC and Marvel and

[49:52] they're very slowly and one thing I

[49:54] think that is really going to help the

[49:55] DCU is just Zack Snder did them a favor

[49:59] by making his universe so very distinct

[50:01] visually and toning down the saturation

[50:04] in an effort to make it look different

[50:05] from Marvel. And again, every project's

[50:07] going to be different, but you look at

[50:08] Superman and Supergirl, and even

[50:10] Supergirl is a bit darker, and that

[50:11] color palette, you can easily identify

[50:13] it as something directly.

[50:15] >> I mean, Superman is a James Gun film

[50:18] through and through, like like

[50:20] designwise as well. Everything about it

[50:22] stylistically is James Gun, but uh

[50:25] Supergirl, not at all. To like totally

[50:28] different, visually different. Mhm.

[50:31] >> Um, Inguava, I think is how you

[50:33] pronounce it, gave us $2 and said, "The

[50:35] Ellison just green lit the UFC cinematic

[50:37] universe."

[50:39] >> That whole thing. Arman gave us five

[50:42] pounds and said, "I think Spider-Man

[50:43] will be the only superhero thing to be a

[50:45] massive hit this year. Not Supergirl,

[50:48] not Doomsday. Spider-Man will never not

[50:49] be a hit." I disagree. We've seen

[50:51] Spider-Man not be a massive hit. I think

[50:53] Doomsday is going to make enough money

[50:55] to buy SpaceX. I think Spider-Man is

[50:58] going to be a massive hit,

[50:59] >> but so is Doomsday. And I think

[51:01] Supergirl in context will be a massive

[51:04] hit.

[51:05] >> You made a face will be a massive hit. I

[51:09] want to make sure that's clear. Yeah.

[51:10] Okay.

[51:10] >> Yeah. I think they make a billion at

[51:12] least. Probably.

[51:13] >> Oh, yeah. Doomsday. Yeah. I think two

[51:16] billion.

[51:17] >> I won't go into all that.

[51:18] >> The Doom thing is weird, though. It's

[51:20] very weird that Dune is sticking to that

[51:22] date. If I were Warner Brothers,

[51:25] >> I would run for the Hills. I'd be like,

[51:26] "Why are we putting this out?" I mean, I

[51:28] guess they have to put it out this year

[51:29] because for like balancing budget issues

[51:32] or whatever, but

[51:33] >> put it out in March like they did the

[51:35] last one. Make it like on the

[51:36] anniversary. And I don't know. To me,

[51:38] that makes sense. Like competing with

[51:41] the biggest Marvel movie in

[51:43] >> a decade. Doomsday should do a thing, a

[51:46] cool marketing thing where we go back to

[51:48] the live ticking Doomsday clock and

[51:50] there's some kind of

[51:52] and they move it up a week so that the

[51:54] first week of Doomsday can have the IMAX

[51:56] screens. I don't know why they aren't

[51:58] doing that.

[51:58] >> Do you have any idea how much I want

[52:00] them to do that? Like having it that

[52:02] close to Christmas really hurts me.

[52:04] >> Michael Rodini gave us $5. Sorry, real

[52:06] quick. And said starting with Batman, I

[52:08] think it would have set the universe too

[52:09] dark. meaning the Batman. I think Gun is

[52:12] focus, excuse me, focusing on keeping it

[52:14] fun first again. Yeah, he would have

[52:16] relied on another filmmaker to set the

[52:18] vision for his universe. So, yeah,

[52:19] >> I think he's focusing on keeping it good

[52:21] first. Like, I I don't know that there's

[52:23] necessarily like a tone. Superman is

[52:25] going to have a different tone than

[52:26] Batman. And I hope I was a little

[52:27] disappointed when I heard James Gun say

[52:29] in an interview, "No, my Batman's not

[52:31] going to be kind of goofy and jokey."

[52:33] >> I was kind of hoping for an older Batman

[52:35] with a Damian Wayne that he is training.

[52:38] There's comedy gold there to do with

[52:40] Batman without making him corny. So, I

[52:42] do kind of hope they do that to make him

[52:44] different than the patents in Batman.

[52:46] But Brandon mentioned something earlier

[52:48] and I think it was based off your

[52:50] question, Ryan, about how the Ellison's

[52:52] might want like the surefire thing of a

[52:54] Batman movie right now to make that

[52:56] money up.

[52:57] >> I think it's like comparing like

[53:00] long-term growth stock mutual fund

[53:03] investing versus like single stocks

[53:05] trading.

[53:06] >> Yeah. High risk. High risk. Yeah, what

[53:08] Gun is doing is going to make the money

[53:11] in the long run. Like, it's almost a

[53:12] sure thing.

[53:14] >> If you just start, oh, boom, boom, boom.

[53:15] Oh, we're going to do Batman. Oh, we're

[53:17] going to do Batman vs. Superman. Seeing

[53:18] how that works. We're going to do

[53:19] Justice League right now. Saw how that

[53:21] worked. It's a big gamble.

[53:23] >> Let's get The Rock. Give it to the Rock.

[53:24] Let The Rock, you know, be be our main

[53:26] guy. We need a movie star. We need

[53:27] Robert Downey Jr. Make the Rock.

[53:28] >> See what the Rock's cooking. Oh, he

[53:30] burned it. [laughter]

[53:33] C7459 gave us a very generous $10 and

[53:36] said Paramount's taking on a lot of debt

[53:38] and have foreign investors who want to

[53:40] see a return on their money. This is all

[53:42] very very true. There was even rumors

[53:45] that some of the Arabian interests one

[53:47] of the Snyder grocery store which I

[53:48] think are [ __ ] rumors.

[53:50] >> The amount of money pay

[53:52] >> my fear is that they will take the Bob

[53:54] Iger approach and start publishing

[53:56] everything on bit IP. Sorry Colton go

[53:58] ahead. the amount of money that they

[54:00] have to pay uh after I think this month

[54:02] for every day that this uh merger is

[54:04] delayed with New York and California's

[54:07] lawsuit because just because it was

[54:09] approved by the the whatever at the

[54:11] federal level,

[54:11] >> the Justice Department. Yeah.

[54:12] >> Yeah. These lawsuits are still going to

[54:15] kick the can down the road before it can

[54:16] close and they are already in serious

[54:18] debt. I forget the name of the whatever

[54:20] the credit agency is or whatever.

[54:22] >> How much is it costing them?

[54:24] >> Was it like 7 million a day or

[54:26] something?

[54:27] >> A day. I could have that figure wrong,

[54:30] but I'm pretty sure that's right.

[54:31] >> Oh my god. Yeah.

[54:33] >> And

[54:33] >> wow.

[54:34] >> Maybe it was I now I'm second guessing

[54:37] myself, but anyway, it was a lot. And

[54:38] they're already in horrible, horrible,

[54:40] horrible debt. They're already

[54:42] overpaying. And that credit agency, I

[54:45] can't remember the name of it. They

[54:46] there have already been talks of them

[54:48] lowering their um whatever their like

[54:51] credibility as a business

[54:53] >> to like a um nonsafe thing to invest in

[54:57] kind of thing. Yeah. So

[55:00] >> damn

[55:01] >> I think

[55:01] >> they wanted it though. They wanted it.

[55:03] The thing is I don't think Paramount

[55:04] would have ever really done it for them.

[55:06] I think they needed I think they had a

[55:07] plan and that Warner Brothers had to be

[55:09] a part of it. But it I don't think they

[55:11] counted on how partisan how they thought

[55:14] going partisan would just aid them and

[55:15] they didn't really think about

[55:17] >> the push back they were gonna get from

[55:19] the other side. And also like it sucks

[55:21] like all the all the political stuff

[55:23] aside having this many major studios

[55:25] combined into one studio is bad for us

[55:28] as movie fans. It produces monopolies.

[55:30] You start getting uh more monolithic

[55:32] type of movies. You don't get diversity

[55:34] in the kind of films that we get to see.

[55:36] What's going to be funny is when they go

[55:38] bankrupt and Netflix comes in and buys

[55:40] it all

[55:41] >> for a Warner Brothers and I don't want

[55:44] Netflix to buy them either. I don't

[55:45] know. Monty Gave us $5 and said people

[55:47] always want the Snider versse back. I

[55:48] say bring back the Donner verse. Give

[55:50] Doug smooch for me. Hey, my head cannon,

[55:52] my dream movie, not that I support AI,

[55:55] but the one kind of AI thing I think I

[55:57] would like that I would be interested in

[55:59] if it could ever be good is Michael

[56:01] Keaton meeting Christopher Ree, right? I

[56:03] never want someone to actually make

[56:04] that. But when you talk about your dream

[56:06] movies that never got to happen, that's

[56:08] the movie I wish I could have seen.

[56:10] >> There is a really cool shot of them

[56:12] shaking hands.

[56:14] >> Yeah,

[56:14] >> I've seen super cuts where people make

[56:16] them, you know, you cut to one side and

[56:18] the other

[56:19] >> in the in the Nicholas Cage Superman

[56:21] movie, Death of Superman, they were

[56:23] going to have a sequence where when he

[56:25] dies, Batman comes up on this giant uh

[56:29] what are the big screens in the city

[56:30] called? uh whatever uh jumbotron or

[56:33] whatever he comes up on that and says

[56:34] like you're it's Michael Keaton's Batman

[56:36] saying your hero has fallen and that but

[56:38] I will you know help protect um

[56:41] >> that's Metropolis in this time

[56:43] >> yeah it was yes it wasith Kevin Smith's

[56:46] definitive movie was he's talked about

[56:48] this was Batman like to him that was

[56:50] like

[56:50] >> and you can see it in his early films

[56:51] they he references that movie all the

[56:52] time Phila from Down Under gave us three

[56:54] pounds or three Australian dollars sorry

[56:56] and said thanks for another great show

[56:57] Pats for Doug you got it and Angel man

[57:00] Freddy gave two bucks and said DCU

[57:02] having trouble. I blame bricks and mini

[57:04] figs. Way over my head. Don't know

[57:07] anything about it. Don't know if I

[57:09] >> That's what I was talking about this

[57:10] morning Ryan.

[57:12] >> I know. I wasn't paying attention. I was

[57:14] working while you young people were

[57:15] talking about this.

[57:16] >> I know what you're talking about. Shout

[57:18] out. They Yeah, they stole those Legos.

[57:20] [laughter]

[57:21] >> They stole those Legos.

[57:24] And also, Brandon mentioned this

[57:26] earlier, but Mr. Terrific is in

[57:28] Fortnite. But what happens after 10

[57:30] days? No one knows. And finally, Qman

[57:33] WPG gave us five Canadian dollars and

[57:36] said, not finally, there's one more. Hey

[57:38] gents, I think we're forgetting the

[57:39] hierarchy of the DC universe could

[57:41] change if Supergirl flops. I hope it

[57:43] doesn't. Black Adam was awful. Black

[57:45] Adam just also wasn't thought through

[57:47] very well. I mean, Black Adam, I'm

[57:48] sorry, is not a Marquee standalone hero.

[57:50] He's kind of interesting, but only

[57:51] juxtaposed with Shazam. So, the fact

[57:53] that Dwayne Johnson was like, "No, I'm

[57:55] not going to get my ass beat by another

[57:57] hero unless it's Superman," was really

[57:59] dumb and isn't paying attention to the

[58:00] comics.

[58:01] >> What does Supergirl have to make for you

[58:03] guys to call it a flop? I'm going to say

[58:04] if it makes under

[58:07] 325, then you could probably call it a

[58:10] flop. But I think that

[58:12] >> I would say under 200. If it's like in

[58:14] the Marvel's range,

[58:16] >> um that's that's kind of where

[58:19] >> that ain't good. But that's what's so

[58:21] weird about the the worldwide box office

[58:23] projections. And maybe it's because I

[58:25] don't know what its market is in China,

[58:26] but China post pandemic has made a big

[58:28] effort to make their own extremely huge

[58:31] blockbusters and not to rely on western

[58:33] stuff. It's also one of the reasons Fast

[58:34] and the Furious has Yeah, it's one of

[58:36] the reasons The Fast and the Furious is

[58:38] not doing so well because it relied on

[58:40] global box office and that's just been

[58:42] scaled back uh since the pandemic. But

[58:45] anyways, um I don't know. Yeah, that's

[58:48] kind of where my head is. I hope it

[58:49] makes 300.

[58:50] >> I take back 350. I think anything under

[58:52] 300

[58:54] >> flop or you could argue flop.

[58:57] >> I I think it's going to make between two

[58:58] and three. And again, I don't think art

[59:00] should be measured by finance. I'm just

[59:01] saying,

[59:02] >> yeah,

[59:02] >> in terms of this universe getting to

[59:04] continue on.

[59:05] >> And it's a great point about those

[59:06] foreign investors who want a return on

[59:08] their money. But then again, Oracle is

[59:10] worth so much damn money, like a

[59:13] ridiculous amount. that's um

[59:16] >> I think that it is kind of secured not

[59:20] to flop. Just like the DC of it aside,

[59:23] we're also kind of seeing a mini theater

[59:25] boom after Obsession and Back Rooms.

[59:28] >> Um and all like

[59:30] >> I think a lot of more people are going

[59:32] to the theater, especially with AMC

[59:35] Alist and all of the new theater

[59:37] subscription services. I think that it

[59:40] would be highly unlikely for this to

[59:44] flop. Like I I genuinely

[59:48] can't see unless it's just bad. But I

[59:51] everything that's come out from it uh

[59:54] doesn't look bad. I know Colton, you and

[59:56] I you and I disagree on the coloring. Um

[59:59] but aside from that, everything I've

[1:00:01] really enjoyed, but I know that I'm not

[1:00:04] every audience member ever. But I mean I

[1:00:07] don't know just based on theater uh

[1:00:09] theater going recently for movies like

[1:00:12] >> like back rooms and obsession

[1:00:15] specifically such indie unknown movies

[1:00:18] had such a huge amount of theater

[1:00:22] turnover just because of word of mouth.

[1:00:24] When you have Supergirl

[1:00:25] >> Supergirl everyone knows who that is.

[1:00:27] You have a picture of blonde girl

[1:00:29] wearing this like

[1:00:30] >> you're going to go to the theater to see

[1:00:32] that. Yeah. It's It's so much an easier

[1:00:34] cell than uh you break a twig and and

[1:00:36] the girls in love with you or there's a

[1:00:38] bunch of yellow hallways. Like, you know

[1:00:40] what I mean?

[1:00:41] >> Yeah.

[1:00:42] >> As long as Hollywood's wanting to turn

[1:00:43] YouTube channels into movies, we're

[1:00:45] here. We got a whole cast. Everybody's

[1:00:46] got a fun nickname, we're we're there,

[1:00:48] guys. We can shoot, right? Everything.

[1:00:51] >> I think Supergirl looks great. I I do

[1:00:53] think it looks a little flat and like

[1:00:55] shot, but yeah, I think the movie itself

[1:00:57] looks great and I think nine out of 10

[1:00:59] people won't give a [ __ ] about, oh,

[1:01:00] well, the lighting looked a little flat.

[1:01:02] No, that's just me bitching. But yeah,

[1:01:04] >> we've got Sorry, Colton. We got one more

[1:01:06] comment. You're going to like this. GH

[1:01:08] Isaiah gave us $2 and said, "Can we not

[1:01:09] cut Colton off left and right?" Lol. I'm

[1:01:11] sorry I was cutting you off. I was

[1:01:13] trying to read the super chat. And

[1:01:14] ironically, the person's pointing this

[1:01:15] out in a super chat, but I had to cut

[1:01:17] you off to read. I'm really sorry about

[1:01:18] that. I don't do it on purpose.

[1:01:20] >> Half of it's me cutting in, so don't

[1:01:22] [laughter] worry.

[1:01:23] >> It's all good. It's all good. Uh, can

[1:01:24] you guys stick around after we uh sign

[1:01:26] off here for a second to go over a

[1:01:27] couple things?

[1:01:28] >> No.

[1:01:29] >> Oh, please. Okay, we got to wrap it up

[1:01:31] there. Uh Lee, thanks for joining us,

[1:01:33] Colton. Um you can find Colton on his

[1:01:35] own channel or here on this channel.

[1:01:36] Lee's links are all down below. And we

[1:01:38] want to hear from you guys. What do you

[1:01:40] think about uh the DCU? Do you think if

[1:01:43] Supergirl flops, it's in trouble? Do you

[1:01:45] think the Ellison's are going to want to

[1:01:46] step in and restore the Snider versse?

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