WoW Patch 12.1 Breakdown & BlizzCon Predictions — Full Transcript & Summary

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[01:53] has been doing a lot of good things lately and we're really excited. Um but we're back. We're here. Season is just around the corner as well. Let me clean >> Season is just around the corner, man. So, we thought, hey, why not dive in,

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[02:36] Now, just picture like a bunch of go-go dancers behind me. Ones in the chat. Oh, the whole thing. Uh, we don't actually have that budget. We're working on that though. That's still gonna happen eventually in the future and it's uh

[02:48] it's going to be official. So, just be ready for that. All jokes aside though, um I would say a decent amount of things to go over and chill out and vibe. Um just want to talk some stuff about pre-season getting into the new season

[03:02] coming up in what just like a week and a half. >> The Tuesday, >> but the Tuesday after. So, I mean it's still kind of like two weeks away. You know,

[03:16] I think that better. Something along uh those lines. Ones, ones, ones. As long as the go- goes aren't dudes. Yeah, that would uh that might be unfortunate. That anyone else hearing an echo? Uh it might be me screaming.

[03:29] hell of a good time. Yeah, it might be because I'm screaming um at the top of my lungs because I don't know how to control my excitement levels and I'm thing. >> Oh, nice.

[03:44] >> Um but yes, we are here, ladies and gentlemen. A decent amount to go with the new season, >> okay, >> a week and change away, how are we feeling hype levelwise? Let's

[03:58] put out a tier list. S being the most hype you'll ever be in your life, right? >> F being to it's a goddamn wash. Get it out of here. I'm not interested at all. with the comeback kids. What are we thinking hype levelwise?

[04:14] Shout out to Ku Kunu uh with the sub for 12 months. Absolutely insane. Shout out >> Is that really Mary? >> Says it right there in >> maybe. I don't know. Maybe. >> Would you look at that?

[04:27] >> We opened our eyes. >> Hello, Mary. Welcome. Welcome. Um, >> Right. >> I'm I'm not posturing. You know, I'm not >> You You use my health bar as a resource, but

[04:41] >> Right. >> That's your biggest problem. I actually. >> Um, okay. So, let's go through it really quick. Btier, A tier, A tier, S tier. Arms is back. Okay. Okay. Okay. Hi, I'm

[04:55] What's going on, baby? I miss you, bro. Hope everything's good. Hey, is something we're going to be talking about a decent amount. Uh the topic of BlizzCon because guys, believe it or not, that is less than 50 days away.

[05:09] >> Um, holy [ __ ] that's right around the corner. Um, we're going to be talking a lot about into that. But Hotstitute says, "Could you imagine at Blizzcon they said you could log into Classic Plus right now? It would be a giant f

[05:24] you to the attendees." Um, >> listen, I I don't Here's what I'm gonna >> I mean, not really. >> Um, that's not happening based on my my >> that's true, you know. >> Well, well, don't Well, be careful.

[05:39] >> Okay. Calm down. >> I know how to skirt the lines. >> Well, just careful what you're saying around here. Okay. Anyways, keep going with your point. >> Um, yeah. I mean, that would be terrible

[05:53] especially for the people who are there for Classic Plus. It's like, damn, I just spent thousands of dollars to not be there on launch day. Screw you. >> Yeah, they're definitely not doing that. I would say at the And this would be

[06:06] >> yes, Rukas, we >> three weeks later like they did for SAD >> I would assume, yeah, >> the earliest it's coming. >> If they do a surprise, hey, surprise launch, it's gonna happen. I would

[06:18] assume about a month. They would get anywhere from I would say >> Now, I also do have a question for you guys also. If if and this is just a big >> Okay. Okay. >> I'm Listen, [laughter]

[06:33] no confirmations here, right? No confirmations here. But if Classic Plus was to be released, what would you want the timetable to be? Would you want it to be a month post BlizzCon, 3 months, 6 months, a year? What would you

[06:49] personally want it to be, Lance, as a uh, you know, casual, you know, dad? uh, you know, casual, you know, dad? >> So, I'm like, it's so um going to say because, >> well, as you know, I'm having a son next

[07:03] >> I'm having my second son next week. >> Yeah, ladies and gentlemen, can I get some claps in the chat? Lance is having his son >> next week. Uh, it is official. >> Within the next 7 to 10 days, we will

[07:15] by the way. >> So, I'm very much against it releasing right after BlizzCon. >> Very much so, able to play it really. >> And don't worry, we're going to talk

[07:29] more about this whole thing, uh, you know, Blizzcon and what we're hoping for and all that fun stuff later in the show. Uh, but we're just waiting for before we dive into some things here. Uh, January when PTO and vacation

[07:42] resets, that's [laughter] fire. That's actually really smart. Congrats on the You >> My belly is big. My belly is pretty big. >> Another baby. Less time for Wow. And less time for hanging with his brother,

[07:56] his real best friend. Never forget that. Okay. Um, shout out to all you guys, man. Congratulations. Yeah, thank you guys. Thank you. Wait, I think they were congratulations to uncle. Congratulations on being an uncle. Thank

[08:10] you guys. For the second time, you get to be an uncle. I appreciate it. Um, but things we're going to go through today. Going to go through some basic basic about Blizzcon. Uh, they got the release date of the new patch officially out and

[08:24] everything coming with it. And I kind of wanted to go through it a little bit and gauge our sort of excitement levels on every bit of individual content together. Now, also the first time since we've been doing retail content for the

[08:37] first time ever, um, the comeback kids did not go on the PTR to actually do not like class testing cuz we've been doing that, but I mean like story, systems,

[08:49] that, but I mean like story, systems, updates, zones, raid. I did we did no testing >> top to bottom. Well, yeah. No, that's expected. Um, but from my perspective, I usually do everything and I usually make

[09:03] everything coming this patch, da da da, and we make a big cinematic video." Um, but they we did not do that. So, I'm going in completely blind and I'm because I didn't want to spoil the content for me. Um, and I I'm excited.

[09:20] Uh, did they ever implement the world tier system from Legion Remix? Yes, they tier system from Legion Remix? Yes, they did, but not in the upcoming season. um only in the two zones they added in the.7 pack. Yeah. And that was very

[09:32] clearly a testing ground to see how it would work. And I personally thought it was a su like a success and I thought it was pretty cool. Um I would have just really loved if >> it came at the start of the season.

[09:45] >> Yeah, the start of the Did you guys have your GM friend cheat for you in Mythic your GM friend cheat for you in Mythic Plus? Yes, we did do that. I have been in talks with a couple GMs. I have been getting boosted. Instant delete on my

[09:59] getting boosted. Instant delete on my mobs. Everything's good. Yeah, as much. >> I can't, bro. You're good. Not a big deal. Um, yeah, that's, by the way, another crazy bit of drama we'll get into. Um, let's I say I say let's just

[10:12] start diving into a couple of things. Where is my desktop or display? That's interesting. Yeah, Mega. They made two new zones uh that kind of rotate weekly and they have the heroic world tier on there. I will

[10:27] say the heroic world tier on my monkey was a joke because obviously I'm like was a joke because obviously I'm like I'm geared, right? I went in there on my my priest. >> And that was a pain in the ass.

[10:42] >> I couldn't kill one mob. >> So that was crazy. I don't know why that happened, but uh Okay. Um, okay. So, diving into the first bit of things here diving into the first bit of things here uh to go through as a team, as a guild,

[10:57] as a community. >> Oh, as friends, and some would say >> before you get into this, I just want to say that um all of the dates I lined up just by following literally the 8week patch cadence have been spot on.

[11:11] >> So, to the day for every patch. >> Are you calling yourself? >> No, I'm not. I just just count some >> just count 8 weeks. >> And there was someone on the forums that's like they were asking when the

[11:24] patch is going to come. I literally I gave them the road map on the forums for midnight. I'm like here you go. And they go, "No, you're wrong. That's stupid." And they said, "Your dates are wrong, too." I'm like, "That's not when the

[11:37] Look it up on Google." That >> Yo, he said Google it. >> And you told him you told him Google it. >> I said you Googleer. you Google her. By the way, in case you guys are wondering, Lance has about a 94.3%

[11:54] >> All you have to do is only predict the obvious and then you're always right, >> Yes. >> And then, you know, that's it. >> Only make safe predictions. [laughter] >> That's a crazy thing to say. Um, okay.

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[12:35] and opinions in the show. Okay, let's get into it. Patch 12.1, Curse of Oollettech. How we're going to go through this, guys, is we're going to, I guess, go through some of this stuff and, um, I guess predict

[12:47] what we're going to, you know, pre-release ranking. Um, send a gift.

[12:59] >> gifted eagle. >> Wait, what the [ __ ] is going on here? How long have we been out? >> Does anyone know what that means? seen that. Yo, is that our GM boosting us? Sent

[13:13] eagle for 400 jewels. I don't know what a jewel is. >> What is a jewel to US dollar conversion? I'm just joking. Uh, that's crazy though. I'm a snake patch. Yo, the eagle in a snake patch. Wait, that's actually

[13:26] kind of crazy. Um, okay. Let's get into it. So, steal your resolve, gather your allies, and descend in the darkness in Midnight Season 2. Brave the venomous abyss. Conquer the new mythic plus rotation. Improve your metal in PvP,

[13:41] which we never update. Delve deeper for dangerous rewards. Stalk deadly new prey across the coiled aisle. Face down world bosses and layers. And so much more.

[13:53] Okay, so layer is that new sort of instanced world boss bit of content. Um, Lance, what are you thinking about that addition? And by the way guys, when I'm asking Lance, I'm also asking you, what do we think about this addition of the

[14:07] they've ever done this in World of Warcraft. >> So, here's the thing. I haven't >> since World Boss. were testable and people like posted the fight. I don't know if these are would

[14:21] >> Well, haste. Haste, remember? I I think you may be thinking of labyrinths. which would be in October. >> Yeah. layers come out right at launch

[14:33] >> Yes, he will. Okay, >> go for it. Sorry, Lance. >> Um, yeah. So, I don't know if Prey is going to be >> like a glorified world boss just in an instance or if they're going to make it

[14:45] actual hunts and I know they have up to a mythic version, so I'm assuming it will be like the one boss raids from previous patch and now they're just >> but I don't know.

[14:58] >> Yeah. Um, once again, uh, I'm going to have to dive in a little bit deeper deeper on all this. Like what tier of loot does it drop? It it variates. Um, loot does it drop? It it variates. Um, it's it's not equivalent to like uh what

[15:11] do you call it? It it's it's like content you do before you step into the harder content. It's not meant to be. >> I think if you get if you kill like the mythic layer, from what I understood, it gives you like mythic one of six items,

[15:25] idea. >> I have no idea. I'm going to be completely 100% brutally honest. Uh I have to do a lot of research on the actual numbers of everything. Gearing is changing a lot. So, have to see. Uh but

[15:40] I think from a content perspective, I I think this is cool. I mean, I I enjoyed, for example, uh the one boss raid we just got in the 7 patch. I like that a lot. I thought that was cool. I'm not asking from, you know, anything special

[15:54] to come from this boss. As long as it's somewhat entertaining content that is not a laggy piece of [ __ ] snoozefest like world bosses usually are right now, >> Yes. >> So, as long as it's an upgrade from what

[16:10] see anything wrong with that. I would like it to be actual content that is >> like gather group and [ __ ] >> World boss inside of a cave with a specific difficulty you make. Do not

[16:25] normal. It gives you normal. You do it on mythic or mythic. Okay, that's a great explanation. I mean, you know, listen, I just want it to be challenging. If you try to make it challenging,

[16:38] >> yeah, it just don't be a snoozefest. That's the most important thing. New dungeon, Altar of Fangs. Um, looked pretty good. This is one I've avoided. Uh, not getting content and footage from

[16:50] again want to spoil it for myself. I think one of the most fun things is going into content. Mythic Zeros with your with like our full guild group. I love that sort of thing. I find that very entertaining. Sort of diving in,

[17:03] menu. >> I love that. I love that sort of thing. So, I think that's really fun. Um, Midnight Dungeons, Heroic Mythic Zero difficulties, Mythic Zero is on a weekly reset, of course, until the season drops

[17:15] >> 292 item level. >> 292. That's pretty good. I mean, that's uh champion gear, right? Yeah, mythics drop champion gear. >> I'm excited. >> Uh, fresh dungeon rotation. Yo, by the

[17:28] >> Uh, fresh dungeon rotation. Yo, by the way, guys, all jokes aside, bluntly. I think this Mythic Plus pool is beans. You guys ever had beans and

[17:40] toast for breakfast? Yeah, that's what this Mythic Plus season's starting to look like right now. Beans and toast. >> it's not looking good. >> Beans on toast are good. Don't

[17:52] >> It's not looking good. I'm going to completely be 100% honest with you here. >> Has anyone played any of these dungeons on the PTR? What are we thinking? Are you prepared for Caster Holy Powin again? Yikes.

[18:05] Okay, it's a little tough because like I prefer the old like EBC prefer the old like EBC Wrath class fantasy of Holy Paladin. I never like the whole modernization of holy paladin where like

[18:20] you're doing almost like melee weaving in a way to build up holy power and to and then swap and then you know I personally hot take I prefer the class fantasy of caster holy power there. Um I love when

[18:37] they had a a spell called exorcism and it made them into a dis priest. Yo that's that's crazy by the way. disc priest becoming what it is is kind of odd to me, but I don't know. As far as I'm concerned, we're good. We are we're

[18:49] three weeks after launch. Ruby Life Pools is such a pain to pug. that are are pretty tough. Uh they're pretty painful to go through. I would say immediately right off the bat, King's Rest is still [ __ ] Um Ruby Life

[19:04] Pools is still [ __ ] Uh Blinding Veil is pretty average. And Den of Nalorak is pretty average. And Den of Nalorak is absolute swamp doggy doodoo. Yikes. What Yeah, that was something I wanted to get into, but I guess we can dive into it, I

[19:18] guess, really quickly right now. Uh, ladies and gentlemen, and I'm asking you guys in the chat as well, what are you guys looking to main heading into the looking. How we doing? Love and miss you, baby. What are you guys looking to

[19:32] trying something different? Are you going with the same old same old? What Any ideas? Um, I am still very torn between playing my shadow priest or sticking with my wind walker. Yeah, not sure.

[19:47] >> Oh, yeah. Warrior. I'm always a warrior. Oh, that's fire. Rampus. Yeah, that's my prop right there, baby. Trojan's going back to arms. Oh, [ __ ] Trojan is back.

[20:01] Yo, Trojan is back. Melee cleave comp. Trojan is back. >> and he's ready to dominate. By the way, Trojan on a well like

[20:13] I guess fleshed out arms warrior that does like good damage. Yo, he pumps. warrior, bro. Telling you. >> Trojan told me in classic he's going to >> No warrior. >> What? He said

[20:27] >> That's He said he's going to be bald, too. >> Trojan, let me let me fix my camera here. It's been a minute. I don't know >> We're amateurs here. Trojan, look at me. Very close. Hey, look at me. Look at me.

[20:42] You're going to play a baby >> with a giant two-handed woman. >> Yeah, he's going to be arms no matter what, too. >> Oh, >> we got to have a conversation.

[20:56] >> I'm getting that out of there. Um, anyways, uh, by default, it's probably paladin. Good old reliable. Yeah, I mean, they're solid right now, too, by the Mega protection paladin is like S tier right now. Are any classes getting

[21:09] Um >> big reworks. I mean big reworks. Not really. It >> I mean the only thing they emphasized a lot this season is that they're taking damage away from cooldowns and putting

[21:22] it into base rotational like aspects of classes. For example, shaman. They're taking damage out of ascendants and putting it into their base abilities and like filler buttons. And it's actually done wonders for that class. and they're

[21:36] S tier right now. Enhancement and Ellie, they're both amazing. Enhancement may be they're both amazing. Enhancement may be A+ tier. Um, for example, other classes, damage out of them, put them into their fillers. Their fillers are pumping right

[21:48] now and they're [ __ ] dominating. Um, who else? Uh, what are some really big ones? It's crazy cuz like you would think you would think yeah Shadow got a pretty big updates but you would think Wind Walker

[22:01] they really didn't do much to them which is really surprising to me. Um at those as excited for The Last Titan as I am for Classic Plus. Um wait what leaks are

[22:14] for Classic Plus. Um wait what leaks are we talking about Lance? Any idea? >> Do you want to talk to the people about any uh potential emails you may have >> dude? Stop. Bro, >> I was just trolling. I'm meing. I'm just

[22:27] kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just Drop the topic. Drop the topic. >> Um, has it mattered for like six years? anymore for joining the guild? No. >> No. Ramp. Um, mythic or or raid comes

[22:41] >> Do you think they're going to add a tank spec for enhancement shaman or like a talking about? Are we talking for like potential Last Titan or like classic plus situation? Um, if we're talking Last Titan, I I'm going to be honest and

[22:56] day. What were you saying, Lance? And this is important. Let me go to uh full really smart the other day. What was it? It was uh >> you called me. It was like uh they might be doing like with Zalat and what

[23:12] potentially could be happening. I I I don't know if >> I Dude, it's just a It's just not official, >> It's just an idea. >> But what if I'm so right then I get

[23:26] Holy [ __ ] >> Guys, >> no. Lance had a crazy theory the other day on what the future of WoW could be like for retail and what could happen

[23:42] like WoW 2. >> I saw something about Holly Longdale and someone was talking about how well and we all know this, right? worked on EverQuest and if when EverQuest went to EverQuest

[23:55] 2, I think they did something where they had some god like rewrite the timeline >> to allow it to kind of split into two timelines so that you could still make

[24:07] standalone thing and EverQuest 2 as well. And someone had a theory that >> says some smart things here >> as wakes up and wipes everything like but in a different way that I don't know if

[24:24] I I could say publicly just yet. >> Oh, Brooks, let me get you the Discord. >> Um, but yeah, something where the timeline will like converge and you'll >> Wow. >> Then maybe another game. I don't know.

[24:38] >> Yeah, but what about that one thing with Zalataf with the whole Titans and everything? >> Am I going to say it or do you want No. All right, we'll leave that out. Yeah, never mind, guys. I don't know if

[24:51] we're allowed to say that, but um anyways, let's let's just uh let's get back into it. Actually, where am I? where am I? Never mind. Okay, so uh fresh dungeon

[25:04] honest, guys. >> Um I would have really loved Pikachu >> if Prey got some Pikachu. What's up, baby? How we doing? Uh, I would have baby? How we doing? Uh, I would have really loved if Prey got some massive,

[25:18] really loved if Prey got some massive, massive updates, but sadly to be honest, Prey got almost nothing. Uh, just a couple new bounties and stuff. couple new bounties and stuff. >> Um, not in love with it. I I it it's

[25:30] not trying to be a shitterter. Can we all be honest here on like what we think of Prey? Um, it's kind of nothing burger content. I

[25:42] got to say it, it's kind of a nothing burger. It's kind of like I'm not I'm burger. It's kind of like I'm not I'm just not really like just not impressed taking a break from WoW, I don't think man I can't wait like to get back in

[25:56] there and just be like, "Yo, let's dive into some Prey." Like now wait up. I will say thinking on delves and by the way don't forget ladies and gentlemen about 10 weeks from now we're getting labyrinths fully released fully

[26:12] released. Labyrinths are going to be hopefully like they stated like a once a hopefully like they stated like a once a week major solo delve like experience that could take multiple nights for you to do. Now, I'm excited for something

[26:25] like that, like delves and and diving into some solo content, maybe with some friends. Maybe you do some RP. You slow go through there. You explore the [ __ ] out of it. Like, that sounds like fun. >> Yes,

[26:39] >> Yes, Ry needs desperate work. Like, bad. It's in trouble. That's all I'm going to say. So, I would really love it. I think I could only I can only guess that they saw that participation of Prey was after

[26:57] even >> Yeah. >> worth putting a ton of effort into, especially when we do have Labyrinth Deer. >> Um, no, I don't think I don't think Prey

[27:09] is moving on with us. No, the thing is is I I thought it was I thought it was pretty cool at first, but guys, if I'm going to be honest, it doesn't give me the feeling of like, okay, I'm tracking down this contract.

[27:25] I'm like, you know what would be cool is if like maybe you help some people and you get some information from them. Like it it's got to feel like a big event. It just feels like like like there's nothing going on here. Like I'm running

[27:40] over traps and like all these sh I don't know. Maybe I'm just being a hater, but sub, man. Thank you. I appreciate it. >> It feels like it feels like a system that should have been implemented as like a in like a.5 or 7 patch rather

[27:53] like a box feature. >> I know. Yo, listing that as a box feature is crazy. And I don't think it's a bad thing. Like I listen, not every idea is going to hit. Like we got to be real. like they tried something with

[28:08] not think delves were going to be as big as it was. I know for a fact because the system on release was halfbaked. I don't know because they did give it a pretty good amount of attention during the Blizzcon 2023. Like they gave delves a

[28:21] like I don't want to say a full panel cuz it wasn't but during the panel they spoke about delves for like 30 minutes. >> But the thing is is even on release it wasn't even close to where it is right now. No, but they saw that the

[28:35] participation was still so high. >> Yeah. And then they instantly saw it and they were like, "Oh [ __ ] wait a second. We might have got lightning in a bottle here," which they did. I don't know about you guys, delves alone have

[28:49] increased my play time and like it's kept me satiated throughout a season so much. It's helped me so much. Like I I could just log in, be like, "Okay, well, delves, get some reputation, farm out some gold because you get some materials

[29:05] from it, maybe level up Valy, maybe level up a character, try out a couple different [ __ ] builds." Like, it's just it's just good content. I don't know what else to say. >> Yeah, delves are fun. I mean, hopefully

[29:17] Wild Classic Plus is just an update to OG graphics. Yeah, that'd be a great Absolutely. Um, Prey is nice and easy to farm crest. Prey is fine the first >> Yeah. Anything after that, it's pretty pretty mid. Uh those are [ __ ] sick,

[29:31] season. Absolutely. >> Um yeah, ramp. Uh prey definitely needs >> Yeah, a mile harder. It's not hard enough. We I want like hot take, by the

[29:44] way. Listen, I know we don't love Shadowlands. I don't love Shadowlands. Shadowlands, though. The theme of the expansion was really cool, like visually like and the and the whole zones and everything. Very awesome. But also with

[29:58] Togghast, hear me out. Take it easy. Don't crucify me yet. Let's relax. With toast, I remember by the time I got to the final boss, when I was fighting that last boss, it felt like a [ __ ] like showdown. It felt like an experience.

[30:15] Now, it got to the point where either your build was just broken and it was your build was just broken and it was super fun to just blow his ass up or it wasn't cooking too much and it was a struggle and it was a fight to get

[30:28] >> Yeah. >> Like I remember that being very very fun. >> Like I remember at the end of every Torghast run fighting the last boss like I was excited for that every time to see

[30:41] what boss it was. And like >> the the worst part about Torghast visual, right? >> Depressing. Like >> could you imagine if they if they sort

[30:54] of mixed it and you've made so many points by the way on like what it could be like to gas mixed with delves and and man you had so many times where you absolutely cook. Um >> well like imagine I I always I always

[31:07] come back to I think what they should do for delves. Drop the companion. >> Give us to powers. >> Give the powers and let you make your >> I take. >> That would be fun. One, then you don't

[31:22] >> That would be fun. One, then you don't have to deal with the [ __ ] AI of the, >> I take. But two, you get to make yourself feel more powerful. I don't know about you guys, just having simply

[31:34] spongy mobs doesn't make something harder. Cond. No, >> you know what? What will like like say what you want, having the to gas powers and the RNG of it and trying to like almost like the

[31:49] rogue light of like trying to break your character in a build. That [ __ ] was >> thank you, boy. >> Hi, F. Thank you so much, man. >> You man, what I'm hoping is with Labyrinth when you get to the last boss

[32:03] >> Crazy, bro. I'm not I'm not saying it should be as hard as the Nemesis boss, >> No, definitely not as hard as a Nemesis boss, but it should feel like you entered Smog's cave. >> Yeah. Like, no, listen. And and this is

[32:18] because I can go around in circles talking about this all day, but like I remember very vividly when I would go in there on my rogue in a togas run, the last boss would be very difficult and it would be it and and the thing is is it's

[32:32] not just like, okay, the boss hits 50% of your HP. Like no, it there were like actual raw mechanics in that fight that felt fun to do. Like I don't know. Like

[32:44] I feel like I'm crazy. I I don't know. Um, Gino, what up? Good looking. How we That's [ __ ] crazy. Yeah, you know what I mean. [laughter] >> It lives in in the gold. How we doing, Gino? Baby. Um, would you guys ever

[32:59] consider doing old school Runescape content? Uh, sadly, no. I Runescape was I try it. >> The problem is I have I have no beef incredible game. I think for people who played WoW before Runescape, it's hard

[33:14] to kind of go back to that. >> It's all it's just it's all it's just not for me. Like the art style for me is a little bit >> for me personally it is. And I'm I'm I'm not trying to be a hater. Obviously

[33:27] Runescape is one of the greatest RPG experiences ever. I've seen so many people out over Runescape, >> but also it's a major time investment. >> Like I mean serious. Yeah. But it's a different it's a different type of

[33:40] grind, but a really cool grind. And I I've seen a lot of WoW players love it. play Runescape for like two weeks or >> Some people actually stay. >> Uh did they really

[33:52] Okay. The war plans idea. What is that? >> in World of Warcraft are not the same game. That's the issue. Can you imagine a version of World of Warcraft where there's no classes? Everybody has only

[34:04] everything on your own technically except it takes an absolute eternity, you could put everything on the auction house. Oh, that's kind of crazy actually. Big RMT. How good is Arcane Mage and Shadow Priest feeling? Arcane

[34:17] Mage and Shadow Priest feeling? Arcane Mage is top three DPS the entire like it like top three DPS right now on the PTR by far. And they're the most played spec on the PTR right now. Arcane Mage.

[34:30] frost mages. Like >> It's It's disgusting. You'll see an Arcane Mage in every group. So, if you playing, Arcane Mage is probably the safest bet. Shadow Priest.

[34:45] Very fun. Difficult to play, but very fun. Lance is loving Shadow Priest right fun. Lance is loving Shadow Priest right now. He's he might even main it. Um, so wants you to address the leaks about war plan system coming to WoW.

[35:01] though. >> I believe he's talking about the Diablo >> What the [ __ ] I don't >> I don't know 100% I know how that [ __ ] >> You guys are memeing. Wait, what is the war plans?

[35:15] >> let's look. Hold on. Let's Let's check out the leaks. I mean, these are leaks. Diablo 4. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Complete guide.

[35:33] Let me me pull it up here. Hopefully my computer doesn't break. A general guide to war plans. How to plan out your war plans. The best type of rewards to get. Maybe I'll just put on the video, right?

[36:12] Roen, this is not coming a while. What am I looking at?

[36:24] >> I don't even know what's happening. Yo, Diablo in their systems. >> Okay, someone dissect that. Send me a message. I don't know what >> Yes. >> I want them to redo the old Grand

[36:39] >> Wow. >> Modernize them all. Bring them to the >> Ship it. That is a great take, Lance. Once again, guys, this is why we have Lance on the show. He sucks at the game. He sucks at life.

[36:54] >> He's He's miserable to be around outside of the show. >> Very out of shape. Looks like [ __ ] Diet is bad. Smells worse. to do, >> it's give perfect World of Warcraft

[37:08] >> Yeah. >> I mean, >> Actually, you did. >> Um, yeah. That is a great off the top of your head [ __ ] damn. Did you like just think of that right now?

[37:22] sets. [laughter] >> That's the first [ __ ] You have good taste actually. Yeah. >> I like >> Yeah. >> That was a salt.

[37:36] and he speaks the truth. No, >> guys. I haven't brushed my teeth in six weeks. I haven't showered in eight days. I have [ __ ] in my pants right now. >> The Grand Marshall two-handed axe. Yeah.

[37:50] I'm going to be completely real. Lance Cooks right there. Yeah, that would be the new tier sets since they're actually interesting instead of just percentage point to emphasize pre- midnight even release. Like the first season's going

[38:05] >> it's always for very chill. And the second season is usually where they get a little crazy. I mean, remember season two of War Within? It was the gamble don't know if you guys remember. >> Jackpot.

[38:18] That [ __ ] was awesome. >> What did Melees get for? Not >> I don't remember. >> Range got jackpot cuz we're both playing casters. So, I don't know. Um, once season two is out, I may not shower for

[38:30] when you decide, oh, let's not. Yeah. Okay. Um, I have female cousins and I have and even I couldn't get with that. That's crazy. Um, but yeah. No, that

[38:42] would be awesome. Uh, Delves season 2, decent updates here. Nothing too crazy, consistent. We also have Labyrinth coming in eight eight to 10 weeks, so that's going to be fun. Training Grounds Arena. Sure, man. Uh, whatever. Uh, the

[38:56] season 1 release date is going to be August 18th. Uh, we're going to get the >> two release date. >> Yeah, sorry. Uh, Venomous Abyss Raid. >> I'm gonna What's up, good looking? How we doing? I'm gonna be honest, guys. If

[39:10] you're asking me like, "Hey, Sky, what's what's like what are you most excited about this season?" Probably the raid. The raid looks really >> Yeah, it does. >> Like visually, thematically,

[39:24] like I think story-wise, I I don't want to get into it cuz I don't want to hear any spoilers. I haven't seen or heard [ __ ] So, no spoilers, please. You will get banned. Um, I'm excited the most for the raid. I'm definitely not excited

[39:39] literally just take the Mythic Plus season off entirely and just do Mythic Zeros and Delves and Prey and just focus on reputations and stuff. delves and doing your your raid every

[39:52] every week. >> Well, also remember the raid gearing changes got changed too. So like raiding is very critical this season. Like it's very critical like on how you get gear like. So,

[40:06] >> you know what else I'm excited about? That um that under like the un the uh have the whole talent tree system. I don't even know what the [ __ ] it's >> There's like that that place that you go to that they give you the the talent

[40:21] >> pith hole. >> Yeah, the piss hole. to piss hole. >> What up, Lonzo? What up, good looking How you doing? Uh I'm excited about the new open world content, whatever the

[40:33] hole. Piss hole. Um, that's what we're calling that. That's what we're calling that. Hey Sky, what are you most excited for this season? Well, I'm glad I answered that. Uh, Mythic Plus season 2 Dtier. Uh, Mythic Zero on a daily reset.

[40:46] of >> Zero is our daily reset after 18th. >> Once the season releases. Um, Delve season 2. It's going to be really fun. Are you pushing for the achievement >> on your Wind Walker?

[40:59] you >> I mean, we're going to see once this >> Okay, bro. >> You got to be a Chad, man. like I just got to stay up one night and just knock it out.

[41:13] one night? >> You're going to kill >> You're such a [ __ ] >> What? I know you. You're not good enough, Lance. By the way, you know what I could do is all I have to do on my

[41:27] I could do is all I have to do on my monk is get do my mythic zero world tour and maybe try to snag some raid gear and then try to kill it on Monday right before reset. >> Um, is anyone going to be going for the

[41:39] Nemesis question mark 2 difficulty? What is it? Hall of Fame title or something? >> Yeah, it's the Hall of Fame. >> Is anyone looking to be going for this? Like actually though, like no [ __ ] Can we talk Halo 2 on Xbox Live next?

[41:54] Can we talk Halo 2 on Xbox Live next? Yes, we will. Pin it. Halo 2 coming up. I could probably get away with that, but on my spec. Like, I would want to do it on Wind Walker or not at all. I want to

[42:08] [snorts] his face. >> Oh, Jesus Christ. emphasize that. >> Hit you in the bowback. >> You're going to hit him in his bowback and grab his bowback. Wow. That's I We

[42:20] don't talk about that. >> I Santa Claus. I punch him. I punch him >> I punch him like this. >> I love that kid. Um uh let's just see. Let's see. Yes, I'm going to be going for it. Throw a Guinness at his mouth.

[42:34] the week instead of the first come, first serve this time. Yeah, that first [ __ ] >> I mean, when it was filled up before I >> is so dumb, dude. It's not even funny. Will you guys be making content for

[42:46] Classic Plus? Yes. I mean, just depending on if I'm interested. I don't know. Like, if it's just classic re-release, >> guys. I I have good authority. I know

[43:00] >> Stop talking. No, >> we're going to make content, guys. It's best thing anyone who's ever seen here. >> Okay. Let's avoid as much classic plus talk as possible in Clay in case like anything is sort of

[43:14] >> Guys, we're we're going to do it. slipped up by that metric. I have the Warlock is great for probably a uh >> I think what I'm going to play in my Wargan Hunter. >> Oh [ __ ]

[43:28] him, guys. He's an idiot. >> I'm one of your old SOD viewers, so just curious. Thank you. Listen, my pleasure, man. My pleasure. While Classic Plus Unreal Engine 5 confirmed, imagine. Um, no. I mean, it just depends. Like when

[43:41] it comes to making content, man, if I just wanted views and money, let me tell Warcraft content. Let me tell you, like I make WoW content cuz I [ __ ] love >> So, >> if I like Classic Plus and I'm

[43:56] interested, absolutely, we will be all over it. We'll even do another show, Classic Plus show, you know, the whole deal. And uh it'll be fun. >> This show is a World of War, a general World of Warcraft.

[44:08] Wait, we have to remember if Classic Plus is released. >> My Inventor's coming. >> Don't do that. >> Guys, we're going to be one big happy family with the classic community. Uh

[44:21] guild's called. They're going to be in here. We're all going to be hanging out. >> Red Dawn like like >> Wolverines >> like Red Dawn like that. Okay. [snorts] >> The Red Empire. That's that's crazy. Um,

[44:36] >> The Red Empire. That's that's crazy. Um, anyways, back to real life talk. Um, anyways, back to real life talk. Um, yeah, Prey season 2 swamp ass. >> the new great fold is actually insane. Let's go.

[44:48] empire? What is it? >> That's that toxic classic guild. >> Nice. I'll I'll join them. Uh, the venomous. going to bring them into the stream and we're going to make us them hold hands

[45:01] with the retail players. We're going to all sing. >> Okay. Gotcha. Um, Venomous Abyss Raid, Wingfinder 2. So, the Raid comes out >> Yeah. >> But all all difficulties. There's no

[45:14] >> Mythic comes out on >> for Blizzcon. >> Yeah, they're trying to make sure that [ __ ] is wrapped up by Blizzcon. >> Yo, Cody, love you, buddy.

[45:27] >> 24567. >> 24567. they got the other wings and stuff coming as well. Uh, Mythic Plus season 2 all over that one. >> I like how they just put like That's

[45:42] >> Yeah, I didn't even know he was in that dungeon. >> Is he in that dungeon? >> I don't know. But like, what is he doing there right after they talk about whatever?

[45:55] >> That's kind of hard to do. Piece of [ __ ] >> And this is the thing. This is the only thing that pisses me off. It's like you got like just take your own story seriously though, right? Like

[46:07] out to Blizzard and their story >> by chance. >> Yeah, parched. >> Have some wool. >> Thank you so much. >> Uh new rewards season two. Uh boom boom

[46:19] boom. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Fun fun fun fun. And that's about it. So I'm going to go ahead and skip on these. I will say the tier sets, bro. Yo, these look really insane, >> bro. All of those are insane. That

[46:32] >> Or is that hunter? >> No, that's rogue. [ __ ] juice. >> Yeah, that's the >> That warrior one is sick, too. >> What is the hunter?

[46:46] >> Yeah. And that [ __ ] is fire. That's one of the best they made in a long time. >> Oh, there's Rogue. I'm trolling. I'm so sorry, guys. Yeah, I'm an idiot. Sorry. Sorry. I'm a [ __ ] Sorry. I may consider going more often in vicious

[47:02] >> Anyways, let's go through these. You >> played my evoker. >> Warrior set looks phenomenal. I I personally love the warrior set. The fur >> on an orc. That warrior set looks insanely good, right?

[47:15] >> I think they put it on. Would they put it online? It was like a female human or something. >> CBK Power server. Yes. Koozie. Yo, shout right now. He said it took >> on the harder server, by the way.

[47:29] >> On the harder server, he said it took him 15 hours slashplayed just to get him 15 hours slashplayed just to get through Agathar Academy 21.

[47:41] Lance, I think you were right, cooks on someone that isn't a human. >> The mage set looks good on non-human. Like I said, it bad. >> That DK looks like [ __ ] The DK set on

[47:55] that model. That's crazy. >> The models you put it on is very >> Yo, that evoker set is insane. >> Yeah, it's amazing. >> Guys, last chance to say it right now for the YouTube recording.

[48:08] >> Although that shaman one is freaking >> What spec are you going to be maning heading into the new season? Go tell me right now. looking that good on that human though. >> Yeah, I agree. Mal, what's up, baby? How

[48:22] we doing? That warlock one looks incredibly mid on that model. What are you guys doing? >> Demon Hunter one as usual is ass cakes. >> Ass cakes. Rhett and protection paladin by default.

[48:34] Let's go. Mega fury. Fury warrior. Holy [ __ ] You're wild throat. Shadow priest. Rogue. Nice. Fury always. Yo, a lot of fury lovers in the chat. Havoc. No. [ __ ] off, bro. Wait, are you serious, bro? Farmer. You me. BM Hunter. Good choice.

[48:49] look. Maybe a death knight. I don't know though. Interesting. Hunter as always good finally >> ramp is always prop warrior having team hunter resto shaman that's crazy bro um and then you got the uh that new mount

[49:04] looks [ __ ] disgusting by the way superfire I think Lance was cooking he >> definitely better than bellerin I said that damn it Lance hasn't been wrong yet harpoon yo by the way how you liking the uh survival hunter changes no more

[49:20] molotov cocktail arcane mage Fire. Fire thing is Sky. It's like I go my priest. I'm going to mostly be playing solo content the whole patch. going to do delves and raid. I'm not going to have time for anything else.

[49:33] >> Playing a priest and delves is miserable. >> That's miserable. But who do you want to say, okay, we're diving into this labyrinth? >> I punch that my monks is a cooler to

[49:47] just is. >> I'm going to be honest. You know what I love doing? I love being a rogue doing delve content. >> because I stealth and I like pick off certain targets and stuff. That shit's

[49:59] fun. This is a god in delves. Uh yes. >> Yeah, but I'm not trying to heal. Trying to play shadow. >> Trying to pump. Uh Nemesis boss right there. Uh there we go. Looks pretty cool. What was his name? Uh

[50:13] >> uh Snaky Boy. >> Yes, I think that's official by the way. That is his name. Snaky Boy. Um, another snaky boy here. Layer boss. I think move on a little bit. >> I think like the past of me wants to

[50:27] play the priest because I just that's my that's been my class. that's been my class. >> But I think current me is my guy. >> Jesus Christ. Cozy [ __ ] dude.

[50:39] That's crazy, bro. That's crazy. That's a lot of game time right there, homie. Balance Drew go into cat stealth and then do crazy AoE. True. I just I don't stress me out in delves and I feel like I just get my ass whooped

[50:53] AoE build their single target kind of struggles but I don't know their tier set's really good this season like so strong you get their tier set bro you're you're cooking bro one of the best in the game by far

[51:06] as well yeah y >> um monk is a no from me dog [laughter] encrypted patch 12.1.5 5 build now on the vendor servers. Lance, they're

[51:21] internally testing the.5 pack. >> They're testing those labyrinths >> Okay. Okay. Um, so we did officially get the uh the release date for 12.1. This is not true, but uh.5 PTR has now been the technical on the vendor server,

[51:34] which means that we might get a preview of the mystery patch soon. of the mystery patch soon. Um, guys, ahem in case you were wondering. By the way, they're going to Yeah, they're probably going to talk

[51:47] >> Yes, >> because they're going to want it after >> DBZ, what's up? How we doing? >> They're going to have like four weeks until 1.5 supposed to come out. >> I think we're definitely getting

[52:01] >> I think we're definitely getting information on like we have to we have it because >> this is coming in October. Yeah, live for testing, too. >> That's what I'm That's why they have to

[52:16] release it, right? Because >> we'll probably get it a week before >> They're going to want us to know what's coming in the 12.1.5 coming in the 12.1.5 cuz they're going to have to show us

[52:28] >> everything. Like, they're the new standalone mode. Dude, I'm going to be completely real, guys. I have no idea. >> Yes, they're definitely going to We're going to get the Last Titan trailer. What do you think this is, Lance? New

[52:41] like >> horror film. actually, that would be >> No, that would be in December. >> No, that would be in December. >> Yeah, December.

[52:58] We'll know what's in the 12.1.5 the day after 12.1 comes out. >> That's usually how it happens. That's how it's been happening, buddy. >> But yeah, we're probably going to get a Last Titan uh trailer and uh probably

[53:14] interviews or any deep dives on Last Titan, but we'll probably get a trailer and like the gameplay trailer showing the new systems and if there is any new probably show us that. >> Yes.

[53:28] >> Um but I wouldn't expect like a deep dive until later in the year. thing. That's that's my guess. >> Yeah, we're going to get I I think in >> Yeah, we're going to get I I think in the 12.2 two in 12.2.7

[53:42] the 12.2 two in 12.2.7 will be like another remix and it's probably going to be Shadowlands. Um, something else that was interesting, Game Informer interview with Ian Hakosas, uh, talking about some things.

[53:54] Augmentation evoker on damage meters PvP community has shrunk. Um, now we're not going to watch this whole video here. Uh, and I'm definitely not going to go through every single thing here as well. >> Um, just some key points. Talk to me.

[54:07] these interviews that they have Ian doing? And don't me wrong, I like that he's doing the interviews. Like, can any of these people who are doing the interviews maybe stop asking like same stuff,

[54:19] >> same boring [ __ ] >> It's not even there. I just I guess it's Watch every interview and cross reference? But it's just like >> that's what you did, >> you know? I don't know. Anyways, um I

[54:35] hear Ian give the same lawyer speak for the same questions over and over again. Overarching vision for Oollettech. It's continuing the epic story of Midnight. there's more than meets the eye and it'll be back into the central

[54:50] narrative. Zalatath had transformed the Sunwell and were able to retake it at than we originally thought. She has slipped away potentially toward the center of Azeroth and we need to figure

[55:02] heels. In the meantime, there are troubles on the coiled aisle and brethren. Troll patches are a to Zulon. That's one of the keynotes here. Um

[55:16] yeah, no ramp, they definitely presubmit the the questions and when we have when presubmit our questions. >> Yo, >> but yo just whipped out. You got to you got to like whipped out crazy knowledge.

[55:30] Lance is going to ninja loot warrior weapons on melee hunter in classic plus. >> Yo >> and by the way you know about that is >> when based warrior comes into my [ __ ] raid does the lowest DPS on almost every

[55:44] >> bottom damage. Bottom damage by the way. >> You're not getting it. back again. >> Yeah. Well he was a punk [ __ ] base >> Yeah. part of our world. Yeah. Okay. That by

[55:58] the way, the 12.2 theory. Let's just say it's confirmed. All right. Leave it at that. Porker is cool, but not my tab to you. Um, anyways, moving on. Yeah, guys, we Yeah. Okay, cool. Troll patches are a longstanding

[56:11] needed that. Venomous Abyss Raid. In terms of skill and tuning, they're happy in Midnight Season 1. They're looking at a simple difficulty of progression, and mechanical difficulty. Okay, cool. adding a new small raid over the course

[56:26] of a season is something they're find pretty exciting at the moment. Okay, training grounds. I'm I'm Okay, let's talk about how [ __ ] PvP is, guys. PvP is an integral part of WoW's history. Integral integral, sorry. Uh, it can

[56:39] feel at times underserved by Blizzard. I'm Bro, PvP hasn't been on the menu for like, bro, such a fat minute. If WoW's PvP was

[56:51] cooking, guys, World of Warcraft would be insane. But the truth of the matter is, Wow's PvP is not cooking. And it has for a while. >> I keep saying, you know what they should do? Make a 2v2 solo queue and make it so

[57:05] that no healers have to be queued. You could just get queued into as double DPS 2v2 ranked and let that be a thing. And you know what? Q times will be faster. >> Then you'll see rogue mage. >> Sure. No, it's But it's random. Sure. If

[57:19] >> yeah, if you get >> Oh, word. >> If you get in the team with a If you're a rogue and you get a mage, great. But warrior, whatever. And do the same thing where you rotate teammates like you do

[57:33] >> word, >> no healer. Just let DPS players Q for >> Yeah, because guess what? Then there would be the Q times would still be out and that's it. >> I would love to do that. And you get

[57:45] each person twice. >> Yeah, that's it. So it's still six >> Still six rounds. >> Just Yeah. Personally, I would like it. >> Matches would end fast. >> Yeah. And it'd be easier to queue into

[57:58] have to worry about the lack of healers. >> Yeah. >> That [ __ ] would be fire. Sign me up. >> Also, it's it's so much easier to understand 2v2 than 3v3.

[58:11] lot going on. You have to make sure you're like, you know, it's it's harder you're like, you know, it's it's harder to get like one v one. That would be I listen man PvP I don't know how the hell we don't have a 1v one just straight

[58:23] even just chill mode >> where you just queue up and chill. and then what they do is you have your rating based like you're rated based >> Yeah. >> So your rating is based on your spec

[58:36] >> dagger survival hunter was fun. I played for this [clears throat] season. That's >> Um there's a little bit of a chicken and egg situation going on. PvP community raids and dungeons. They're trying to focus their team and resources

[58:48] saying, "Yeah, not a lot of people are playing PvP and we're not going to invest resources into it." That's pretty much it. just said right here. Guild versus guild full loop PvP system. That's crazy. I

[59:01] also think we need like I see people making add-ons for like open world PvP stuff and they're phenomenal. Like some of these I don't know if you've ever in WoW is horrible because it just ends up being laggy. Well, also it's like

[59:15] flying ruins PvP. PV is often not approachable and their focus for this sut. No, that's they want to grow the PvP scene. >> So do I. >> I want to grow my ding-dong two more

[59:29] inches, but guess what? We're stuck at one. So >> any other [ __ ] We're inverted. So >> any other Makea-Wish Foundation needs around here? because I'm not getting it. Yeah, rated DS would be insane, by the

[59:41] Yeah, rated DS would be insane, by the way. Like, okay, sure. Moving on. Next. Add-ons. Overall, solid. B or B minus. More good than bad. What? Add-ons. How they feel about how it went. Removing them. Okay. They've got feedback on

[59:55] do or problem points from the community. One of these was trinkets and potions Okay. Yeah, that's the W. There were some loopholes. Yeah, that's a [ __ ] Some boss designs. Yeah, pretty big refractive buffs API. Yeah, that's a

[1:00:09] meters don't correctly attribute augmentation voker damage, but they're working on it. Oh, that's actually a W. Okay, that's a W. It's been like [ __ ] coordinates was more involved than just flipping a switch. They still Okay,

[1:00:22] coordinates is cool. Auto loots. They tracked down the auto loot bug, dog. interview, bro? We have an interview with the game director. We're talking about auto loot, bro. >> What I'm saying? There's no shot. I like

[1:00:36] that he's doing the interviews. I really do. I think it's cool. But we got to get some better questions. Overload's a cool concept. Yeah. Yeah. I was talking about, Overlord. Yeah, that [ __ ] is cool. Yeah, this is a very mid

[1:00:50] interview. Shout out to Ian. You know, I think Oh, and back to PvP a little bit. It's like PvP is feels kind of dead because like PvP is feels kind of dead because lack of healers and low participation.

[1:01:05] >> It also just feels like healers are just and I get it like there's not enough of them already, right? So, it's like you got to make >> you got to make cues where you don't need

[1:01:18] >> That's it. >> Because you know what my biggest problem is for PvP? If I try to queue a battle or a solo shuffle, I have to wait 30 minutes and I don't want to wait 30 minutes. I just don't want to.

[1:01:35] Let me get in in five. >> Also, gearing in PvP is the worst it's ever been. Like, the whole crafting PvP gear system is [ __ ] awful and stupid. Skier, shout out to you. Thanks for the sub,

[1:01:47] baby. Appreciate it. Yeah, they could definitely um awful just >> what happened. What happened is simply honor gear arena like conquest gear. Why is that so

[1:02:03] arena like conquest gear. Why is that so difficult? What happened? It's so stupid. Like bloody tokens are fine. Like it's a way to, you know, incentivize open world, but like it's fine, but it doesn't need

[1:02:17] to be anything special. You could just make that equivalent to like slightly better honor gear, I guess. But like once again, not needed. Just convert the bloody tokens into honor gear and then if you have enough honor, you can

[1:02:30] convert that into conquest. Like every 10,000 honor is like a,000 conquest or don't need >> to are literally just the same as honor. What I'm saying is like it like why do we even need all these currencies? Why

[1:02:44] do I need this PvP jewel to drop from this to be able to craft this item and then I need a specific enchant and embellishment for PvP? Shut the [ __ ] up. Just let me buy my PvP gear and play the video game. Like I don't know about you

[1:02:56] guys, like I remember as a kid it was simple. Like why is it simple? Why are we complicating things just to complicating things? Like in Missipand area, you get your honor gear. You equip your honor gear. You then do raided. You

[1:03:09] get your rated your rated [ __ ] currency. You buy your rated gear. That's it. It's simple. And it was good. It It was good. Like you don't need to reinvent the wheel for everything all the time. Like it's so stupid to me. PvP

[1:03:23] is just over complicated fluff [ __ ] It's annoying. Is WoW coming to Xbox? >> I don't know what to say or not. >> Game Pass. I I have heard a lot of rumors. Is it coming to console?

[1:03:36] I don't think so. I think they specifically said it's literally not [ __ ] like that at Blizzcon, which I'll be really surprised. Which Zaz, thank love, man. Thank you. >> Zazer Zazzarazzer,

[1:03:50] subscribe for six months. Thank you, buddy. I appreciate it. Um, they make yet, PvP players want instant max level PvP. I won't even mind template like stat templates.

[1:04:03] I don't know with WoW's ability bloat. Well, they just pruned, remember? But even then, I I don't I don't think it would happen. Longtime PvP player, last of the game less and less. It's unfortunate that more time isn't

[1:04:17] invested in the It's disgusting that PvP is just not a part of World of Warcraft anymore. I have more fun playing PvP, leveling up in classic World of Warcraft, than I do in retail. Wow. Yikes.

[1:04:29] Yikes. >> Like on a level 20 [ __ ] dwarf paladin with me and Lance running through. >> That is fun. Hold on. That's fun. >> Yeah, it's a lot more fun than whatever the hell we have right now. And I played

[1:04:41] the hell we have right now. And I played PvP in in this season. I got 20 20 what? PvP in in this season. I got 20 20 what? 2400 whatever it was earlier on. And I did my job. I got everything I needed. But like winter grass winter grass cooks

[1:04:55] is a good mode. Should it be a PVP zone in the last Titan? The thing is they zone. >> So like are people gonna go do >> winter grass? They would do they would do winter grass. Like people would cue

[1:05:08] nostalgia. >> The music in winter grass was loaded. out to you guys. >> I don't rather liken when they add the inquisitor spec to the priest and you're able to DPS with the

[1:05:23] priest and you're able to DPS with the holy fire and wrath. I can't wait. >> Yo, guys, listen to this. Close your eyes, please. Guys, if you're a part of the stream, close your eyes and just listen for a second.

[1:05:46] running by. And like, don't you like see it in your head and hear everything? Incredible. And now what do we have? >> 45minute queue timers for solo re.

[1:06:00] the the tinker. Yeah. Yeah. >> Can't hear it on YouTube. Wait, are you >> Can't hear it on YouTube. Wait, are you serious? YouTube? Can you guys not hear this? Am I trolling?

[1:06:28] Man, that music is [ __ ] good. I take basically hear silence. What? What is going on? Hold on.

[1:06:48] Cannot hear. What? Huh? What? What? You guys hear that? Now we got it. That's crazy. There it is. All I did was refresh the audio. is. All I did was refresh the audio. That's crazy. Anyways,

[1:07:02] more time. Listen to that. Listen to that. Ready? that. Ready? Wow. paladin. And I'm riding in the snow. I can hear the snow as I'm riding and the

[1:07:17] big war machines and the [music] cannons on top of the walls going off and all those crazy cool classic spell effects and like I can like visually hear it or visually see it and like [music] hear it in my

[1:07:32] It's crazy. >> That's a great [music] track. >> That is a great track. That is an excellent track. Gives me goosebumps. Winter Grasp is solid. Wrath of Lich King is [music]

[1:07:46] >> Just don't like the leveling. >> Just don't like the leveling yet. Some most of them I don't like either. Feels like a winter coastal area. Snow and Or composition [music] for void of demon hunters. Yeah. I I'll see you later,

[1:08:01] buddy. I don't know. I don't know. Um overall though, >> I think Last Titan is going to be the one, going to change it all for us. Guys, >> if you haven't started Midnight or

[1:08:15] will be the one that's going to change WoW for you. I promise you. True. >> We're going back to Northern. >> Yo, all jokes aside though, an overhaul Northern is going to be insane. Like, for real. Like, we just got a taste.

[1:08:29] for real. Like, we just got a taste. Like, we got [ __ ] Evershong Woods. >> Yeah. With what they did with Silver Moon. If they go off on all four of those zones, I think there's five actually. I I don't remember. Can

[1:08:42] someone correct me? Four or five zones, and they [ __ ] cook, [snorts] bro. [music] >> Logan, that's a good That's a good uh topic. When I log out of WoW for the last time, it will be in Grizzly Hills,

[1:08:55] forever. >> Sky, where would where would you log out >> Oh, man. >> If you knew you could never log back in. Oh, chat, that's a good question. Where would you log out in World of Warcraft

[1:09:11] for your character to rest at to where you'll never log back in again? If I had you'll never log back in again? If I had to say goodbye to WoW forever.

[1:09:23] [ __ ] Where would I want to say goodbye forever? Wetlands. Mary, that's insane. Wetlands is on my list.

[1:09:35] zone, >> you know. I think >> Maybe Ghostlands. >> It's a dump though. >> Yeah, but I have so many great memories. Uh maybe um in Red Ridge right on the

[1:09:52] lake on the dock. >> That's a good spot. I was thinking Elwin >> That's a good spot. I was thinking Elwin Forest right beside Goldshshire on that dock where the fishing trainer is right before you encounter the murlocs.

[1:10:05] >> Yeah. >> Put on my Nap Pagel hat, my overalls, bare feet, fishing rod in hand, sitting at the edge of the dock. >> Yeah. >> One last cast out. See what we can get

[1:10:20] >> think I would Yeah, I think I I like that. That's a good Let's read what some of some people said. PvP vendor wall in Pandaria. Interesting. Yeah, that's a Xandelari King via time walking. Not bad. The Ever Schlong Woods. Okay. Okay.

[1:10:37] how none of these answers are from anything in the last 12 years. Um, that's not true. We actually had some BFA down in Twitch. a lot of people are going to want to do something from when they first

[1:10:49] >> theic, you know, aspect of it, not from recent. So like Yeah. I mean honestly maybe Holofall could be up there for me though too. Yeah. No, Holofall is one of

[1:11:01] the most beautiful complete Oh, Dragon Flight. Yeah, we have people saying a said Emerald Dream from Dragon Flight. So actually unfortunately you're wrong my friend. Also don't forget like Hollowfall had is one of the most

[1:11:15] complete like visually like appealing zones there is. I It has the water. The night before midnight, I spent 45 minutes riding the Zeppelin in Hallow chilling. >> Dunmoro. Dmoro is a great zone.

[1:11:31] little >> VR is great. I liked Vald Draen, man. >> Except my bad. Sorry. If it had to be a new place, it would be Valdra. Yeah. And vanilla a top griml looking at the broken span and wet. Wow.

[1:11:46] looking at the broken span and wet. Wow. That's a spot. Lokit den That's a spot. Lokit den from the lowa dun dun himself. found with an old girlfriend in Red Ridge Mountains. Redidge is a good spot,

[1:12:01] Ram. >> Yo, log off in the mall. Holy [ __ ] Oh, >> Actually, the mall's good, too. Let your character rot in hell for eternity where >> That's crazy. >> That's for your low DPS.

[1:12:15] zones. Yeah, man. They were they were excellent. Very very underrated, underappreciated expansion. By the way, I wish I gave more time. I wish I gave more time. >> The zones of Dragonfly. Azure span is a

[1:12:29] top 10 zone. Easy. >> I I wish I invested more time. >> Oh, peak of Serenity is >> Outland. Jesus. Maybe maybe you could pitch >> Mr. Grand or I wouldn't pitch that

[1:12:45] [ __ ] swamp. I wish you guys could see my plot. Ocean view on one side, bay and not kidding. His log out looking at the ocean of my home. That's fire. That's another recent one. It suffered from shadow lines before the

[1:13:00] drive. Yeah, the mall because that's where I belong. That's crazy, bro. What time is it there? >> Uh, what are we? We're Eastern so 9:30. >> 9:30. >> Aar would be sick.

[1:13:12] >> N Grand. >> Classic Ajara. Yes. Not the Cataclysm >> You know, used to be really nice is like the the Warlords of Draanor version of

[1:13:24] um what is it? Shadow Moon Valley where it wasn't corrupt from the portal yet. >> Or the the Black Temple yet? >> Yep. cuz the Black Temple ruined that entire zone over time.

[1:13:37] >> Turned it into a dump. But but [music] pre that was a pretty zone. >> Yeah, I like that dump. >> And it led right like the zone next door led into the uh capital. >> Oh, what about um Shurar?

[1:13:50] Shar's okay. Very like >> that was still my night. >> I would say so >> being a nightborn where you see where the real men are. Yeah. Frostfire Ridge.

[1:14:03] know about you guys. I'm I'm a sucker for Snowy Zones. That's a great topic. >> Yeah, it's a fun topic. Uh, link your BlizzCon pass to receive the ultimate BlizzCon pack. Uh, notice no one said they would log out in their in-game

[1:14:17] would. >> Under city. Jesus. No Orgamar love, dude. Take that [ __ ] [music] swamp den dump ass zone. >> Ain't no one got no love for that. Oraron,

[1:14:33] I would rather say Thunderbug >> swamp ass. drake spawns 1 second before. >> Yeah.

[1:14:45] >> Jeez. Link your Blizzcon pass. So, question guys, who's going to be going to BlizzCon? Is there anyone in chat that is going to be going to Blizzcon? Anybody? Anybody? We're going.

[1:15:00] >> Did you yet? >> No, absolutely not. code? >> Yeah, I'm going to need that. >> Molore is beautiful. I'll give Molore that.

[1:15:15] >> Yep. I already know. I'm going to give Lance some good War Within music crap. Lance. Lance. By the way, guys, you have to know Lance is a huge sucker for War Within. So, >> he was so upset we were leaving that

[1:15:31] >> I'm going to be honest with you. >> Very emotional. >> I'm going to be honest. This is going to be a crazy thing to say. >> I liked War Within better than Midnight. >> I mean,

[1:15:45] >> se if you're talking season 1, personally, I prefer Midnight cuz I I did not like season one of War Within. I'm still looking at Midnight as whole. >> I'm going to be honest. Season two of

[1:15:59] >> War Within season. >> Maybe I'm just thinking about the zones themselves and the atmosphere.

[1:16:13] Midnight is going to come close to War Within season 2. Like season 2 of Midnight. Season 2 War Within. Like I just don't see it because I listen hot take. I'm a like I know some people did not like the undermine. I [ __ ] love

[1:16:29] that patch so much. I had so much freaking fun. I don't >> Undermine patch was [ __ ] insane. >> Yeah. And I have such a high standard for a season 2 release now that I played the undermine and I'm setting myself up

[1:16:41] for failure. Like and I'm excited for this raid and the story and what could potentially happen. I also like what was that zone we got in the.7 patch in War >> The one point the season one or two? >> Yeah, season one. What was the zone?

[1:16:56] patch. >> No, no, no. It was the the coiled aisle or no siren. Siren aisle. Siren. >> I like the Siren Isle, man. Christ, guy. >> The aesthetic isn't my thing. Is it The

[1:17:09] Undermine, like I race changed my character. I went Vulpira Rogue. I did every quest on a Vulpira Rogue with engineering. I'm just riding around in this badass car. You guys still think they're not announcing Classic Plus?

[1:17:24] Like I said, they I'm so confused. >> Ace, I said they were announcing Classic >> Ace, I said they were announcing Classic Plus at this BlizzCon 3 years ago.

[1:17:41] think you may have gotten mistaken if by our comments about our comments about >> No no no it releasing like I personally don't think I said they were you said they were not

[1:17:53] no I think you meant releasing I still don't think it's going to be released this year personally I don't see it happening I think it's going to be released next year and I think it's going to be released after Wrath the

[1:18:05] going to be released after Wrath the Lich King rerun get bit. Uh guys, so what's the plan? You guys waiting for something? Uh no, Sorry. I don't know. We get sidetracked a lot with the chat. It's very difficult

[1:18:20] sometimes. Uh anyways, Blizzcon. Yeah, a lot of interesting things uh coming at Blizzcon. By the way, guys, don't forget they made it very clear the headline, and listen very carefully. I'm going to

[1:18:33] go full screen here. They said the headline of this Blizzcon is going to be >> Oh [ __ ] >> that is absolutely insane. Listen, let's

[1:18:47] be real. We all know Classic Plus is getting announced. There's a 0% chance it doesn't. It's going to get announced. But the fact that they're strongly But the fact that they're strongly saying the headliner of this BlizzCon is

[1:18:59] Starcraft, bro. We already know they have potentially developed by multiple studios confirmed. By the way, whether they are ending up like one's a shooter, one's an RPG, like we

[1:19:14] one's a shooter, one's an RPG, like we could very very easily get a Mass Effect sort of Starcraft game coming. Like it's very very very possible. like very

[1:19:26] possible a Starcraft Mass Effect or maybe a Starcraft almost like party like CRPG game like Balders's Gate. I no one knows but we know one of them is going to be almost shooter based so that can

[1:19:39] >> Yeah. >> And another one's being developed by another company as well. So we don't know. know. >> Yo, 10 big bones from Edub.

[1:19:52] slap Starcraft skins on Destiny and release it. Um, I would really want it >> Guys, if you're in chat, let's get some comeback hit icons in the chat for the donator. $10, guys. Show some love. >> Dubs, bathtubs, $10.

[1:20:05] >> Love you, buddy. Thank you. Miss you guys. I miss uh I miss streaming. Like, guys. This is going to be a hot take. Don't flame [music] me for this weird thing to say out loud, but when World of Warcraft is not hitting, my life is

[1:20:19] worse. I get depressed. Hot take. I get depressed. Hot take. My life sucks when World of Warcraft is >> My life is depressing for two months out of every six months in the lull of a

[1:20:33] >> Yes. But when World of Warcraft is hitting, [music] I'm on top of the world. I'm unstoppable. unstoppable. Uh Starcraft MMO. [ __ ] Do you imagine?

[1:20:47] Yo. Yo. Could you guys imagine if they make like a storybased Dragon Age Origins type of Starcraft game? Like heavily story-based or even

[1:20:59] just like just give me Mass Effect, bro. Just give me Mass Effect and let me play >> doesn't even matter. Just Party Builder, Mass Effect. I'm happy. I'm good. I don't need anything else in my life. Well, my life is wild, so kind of same.

[1:21:14] Space Marine 2. Yeah, sounds good. Sign me up. Like, but we do know Starcraft is >> Uh, what's the place with the bees in BFA up north? Oh,

[1:21:26] >> Oh, >> we just went there for recently for the >> Yeah, >> the EcoDome, remember? >> Um, I would have to get divorced as I'd want to play all day every day. Yikes.

[1:21:38] Cinder Brew. I think he's talking in [music] um >> Yeah, not >> Storm Rage Valley. Yeah, some [ __ ] like >> Storm. No, Stormong Valley. >> Yeah, there's a spot that we did

[1:21:52] got to go drive the bees there. Whatever. Um, but yeah, you get some guys purchased it. You just link it up and you get some cool rewards. >> We did get those shorts. >> Rabbitath and I think you can actually

[1:22:04] >> They're really cool, actually. >> Let's go through this. Oh, [ __ ] V, bro. This guy's back. Okay. Um uh what is it? [music] They made a video. Holy [ __ ]

[1:22:19] >> Gear up for Blizzycon >> audio. Is there like an audio check? How >> audio. Is there like an audio check? How loud is this? Oh, that's loud. Oh, there's no mute button. What is it? Okay, sorry guys. That Yo. Okay, I can't

[1:22:34] do that. They're going hard as hell right now. Okay. Um why does this look so crazy? Oh, little rabbitath mount. Okay. Okay. Uh, pretty cool. Pretty cool. I love this stuff. This is incredible looking. Yeah, that's juice.

[1:22:49] How do you get this? What is this from? >> That's just putting in the bundle. >> Yeah. >> Nice. Let's go. How time I get something as a creator around here? Jesus. I don't have any secret info on like any

[1:23:04] upcoming World of Warcraft news or anything. his yet. >> This is cool. I'm deaf now. Thanks,

[1:23:17] know. [ __ ] Uh yeah, I got to get this some cool [music] stuff here. Lich Queen. All right, buddy. Um but yeah, guys, Starcraft is going to be headline. Um would love that. Would love that. And then also, we all know Classic Plus is

[1:23:31] going to be announced, but honestly, by the way, I really hope, man, in Last Titan, number one, we bare minimum get a new should have gotten one this expansion. So, I guess we're going to get one this

[1:23:44] time. [music] Um, Tinker, I really, really, really strongly like believe and hope we get a new class and it is going to be a Tinker. A lot of people have been saying, what was the other one? Like, tinker/ artificer. Artificer. Yes.

[1:23:58] of like what an artificer is and what the what the hell's going on here? >> Well, uh, you know, I don't know exactly how that class would play out, but I saw some leaks >> that it's like a Titanbased

[1:24:12] Oard class, and actually me and Ramp were kind of talking about that in the Discord the other day that our our favorite leaker, Doran's Movies, made a post about it. Um, the idea that he had was [music] not really what I would want

[1:24:25] Titan themed so much. >> I want it to be more so [music] and your sense of new tank more >> like gnome is 13 tech >> not Titan magic tech. >> I could agree. That seems not so cool.

[1:24:40] >> What up Renee? How we doing? 22 years since a new cloth cer. That's Yeah. Okay. I guess that's what we're rocking nowadays. Uh we also have some new music that I'm going to be playing in the background from the new patch as well.

[1:24:52] Uh I'm going to play this. This is called Zul John. called Zul John. >> Oh, from the whispering marsh.

[1:25:06] Oh, wow. Listen to that. [music] 11. Wasn't 16. Oh, thought it was 10 years. My bad. Idiot.

[1:25:37] bro. I mean, in general with music, they they do good. This one's titled Zul John, guys. Wow.

[1:26:00] anytime they hire anybody for music, they're [ __ ] knockouts, bro. [music] [music] What fun tracks to get to work on. So

[1:26:13] cool. [music] Like what? Like just so awesome. Like what? Like just so awesome. >> [music]

[1:26:28] >> Oh [ __ ] >> Guys, type in chat some things I should say as like a troll voice pretending to be Zuljan. Go. And I'll give you my best impersonation. The elves have forgotten us. Mine. Well,

[1:26:41] I don't think he says man. I think that's dark spear. [ __ ] That's racist. >> that is not a >> in my opinion, Wild set the standard for game music since day one. Um, yeah, I liked EverQuest uh music even though

[1:27:07] John's got some cool dingo. That's so racist, bro. Okay. Whispering marsh soul coiler. Oh boy, this is the raid music. Maybe I shouldn't be clicking on >> Yeah, I don't think I want to. >> You always do this benefit abyss. No,

[1:27:23] >> You always do this benefit abyss. No, >> we'll just do one. got to save that for the when we're actually in there. We've been trying to reach you to talk about your car warranty. That's crazy.

[1:27:40] And then he goes like this. He squints his eyes. He's got Oh, Z John's got a his eyes. He's got Oh, Z John's got a giant jaw. So, like Zj's [ __ ] cool. Um, really cool music though. I'm not even going to lie.

[1:27:53] [music] World War II music is good, by the way. Yes. Money. What's up, baby? How we doing? Good music. WW music. Okay, guys. Also, while we're listening to this, what are some bingo

[1:28:09] card hot take two early predictions for BlizzCon? What are they going to announce? What do you guys think it's going to be? What's the craziest thing that's going to happen? Lance, thoughts? >> Heroes of the Storm 3.0?

[1:28:23] >> They No, they did a 2.0. >> Holy [ __ ] >> Okay. >> Heroes of the Storm 3.0. >> It's coming back. >> Wow. And the first champion that they're

[1:28:36] No. No. >> Y >> a TV series and a new Starcraft. Whoa.

[1:28:48] it right away. What if it was just based off World of Warcraft, though? >> Like just a World of Warcraft? I don't

[1:29:00] games. You could put a bunch of new >> Classic plus Starcraft shooter. Last Titan. Yes. You don't have phones. We're cooked. [ __ ] I'm very excited for The Last Titan

[1:29:13] trailer. Dude, GMG game. Yes. I'm very excited. >> Yes, dude. I want to see it. I don't even care if it spoils the rest of Midnight. I want to find >> I really don't care.

[1:29:28] >> I really don't care. >> This kid's all in. Where are we going? Are we going to Ulawir? >> Let's remake Deran [music] for the fifth time. Want nothing to do with that. Who

[1:29:43] wants Daran for the fifth time [music] in The Last Titan? That's my favorite uh >> Good on that [ __ ] >> Yeah, I know. Probably not going to

[1:29:55] happen. I don't know what our capital is going to be. earlier. >> What are your ideas for tinker spec? Uh, tank, healer, DPS. Tank spec is probably going to be Lance was [music] suggesting

[1:30:10] like them in a mech. >> Yeah, like a mech suit tank definitely. >> Yeah, like a mech suit tank definitely. Um, the healer would be called medic and it would shoot little like beams from a gun probably or and then like

[1:30:24] >> Yeah. Uh, and then crazy. >> I would say probably like a DPS that's full-on DPS, but it could also just be like a support that like summons

[1:30:39] turrets, but then also buffs you. >> Yeah, that'd be [ __ ] medic have sprint effects to get the down. be I mean medic would definitely have something like goblet jump or cable so

[1:30:53] they would have a battle res for sure 100%. >> they would have a lust probably too. >> It would be the first tank with a lust. >> That'd be cool. >> Yeah, that'd be cool. I could see the

[1:31:07] the healer would be very cool. I would be very interested in playing a medic of that. Um also the idea of turrets would be cool. Well, I remember in DC Universe be cool. Well, I remember in DC Universe Online, their gadget class,

[1:31:19] power, you could have a turret that would actually be mobile with you, like >> I wouldn't want them to place like turrets like totems that are stationary. That would make freaking him awful. >> You don't want that.

[1:31:33] well in MMOs. No, >> whether it be mythic plus, whether it be raiding, whe it it just it never ever ever ever ever ever

[1:31:48] doesn't matter. There's too much mobility going on. >> Yeah. So whether it be in a circle that floats around you and follows just you, whether it be you put it on an ally and it follows that ally in a in a radius,

[1:32:01] it follows that ally in a in a radius, like I would love the idea of it's like, you know, like healing rain, how they have healing rain on shamans, but like you place it on a target and that circle follows that said target. So it's like a

[1:32:14] drone that follows the >> Yeah, that would be [ __ ] cool. Um, also you can maybe attach almost like one of those like like bionicle arms electric to damage enemies. Maybe you could put that on the back of an ally or

[1:32:31] see on or something. >> I was like thinking something like [music] in Star Wars the Old Republic how the Vanguard used to have the shock >> and they could just spray like a cone of electricity.

[1:32:43] >> How what do you think their base gameplay design would be? Like builder spender? Would it be like resource like energy? Would it be just flat mana and arcane? Like what do you think? I'm going to be

[1:32:57] Like what do you think? I'm going to be honest. It would where you have to like build up sparks. That's hard. Like charge up your gun to then blast out >> devastating. Maybe like the DPS version

[1:33:12] >> of Tinker can work that way. >> Yeah. Healer. I'm gonna be honest, like almost like a mistw weaver clone where it's like a mix of like

[1:33:27] like your green resource in in a pack and it slowly comes back over time like and it slowly comes back over time like energy mixed with mana maybe but like a energy mixed with mana maybe but like a h I don't know hard

[1:33:40] healer class plague doctor I'm calling it could you imagine what's uponic how we doing Um, interesting to not make the res >> Yeah, that'd be sick. >> Yeah, that'd be cool. Camelot or classic

[1:33:53] plus release late [music] 2026. Warcraft Chronicles RTS. Ooh, >> the guy who just believes every single leak he sees. >> Classic. That's called Hope, my friend. >> Anime series Q3 2028. [clears throat]

[1:34:08] Oh, the Arthus live. Damn, that those are big predictions, man. Jesus Christ. are big predictions, man. Jesus Christ. I I think I think the safest like I I think I think the safest like go-to bet is like Wrath King's obviously

[1:34:23] coming out and I think Classic Plus will come out a few months after maybe maybe even 6 months after to give them time to have fun on Wrath and entertain people with that toy for a while. I mean realistically the longer

[1:34:38] better. But I think what people need is they just need to know it's coming, you know, right? But then if they say, "Hey guys, we're working on it. Here's what it's going to have. This is what it's going to be, but we need some time.

[1:34:51] cooking on something great." I think that could be like best case scenario, you know? >> Wrath Plus, but with updated MOGs and By those Titan servers >> and we could play with those for a

[1:35:04] while. That would keep people entertained for a hot minute. Right or wrong? I would play that server. >> Yeah, everyone would play that [ __ ] It's classic Wrath NT and TBC. >> The Chinese Titan server. Pretty sick.

[1:35:16] >> Give us that to play at the like post BlizzCon, maybe end of 2026. People will then get pissed off and hate Blizzard. >> Yep. >> Then you'll release Wrath King. Yep. >> Wrath King, go another 6 months. Classic

[1:35:31] >> That would be sick. >> I think that's a great road map to think this is about classic players though. are never happy. Like it doesn't matter what you give them, they're never happy. And like, say what you will,

[1:35:44] people were happy as [ __ ] with SOD, but then 6 months later they're like, "All we want is classic plus." You give them classic re-release, fresh servers, they "All we want is classic plus." You give them TBC, "All we want is Classic Plus.

[1:35:56] Wrath, all we want is like it's the same thing over and over." Like they play moment, but like then they keep going back to I want Classic Plus. like, task to pull off." >> Probably going to want a fresh classic a

[1:36:11] >> Probably right. >> They're going to say, "You know what? the original." >> It's because of these dirty [music] corporate retail Andy developers are making and it's not the true team.

[1:36:24] making and it's not the true team. >> These woke developers ruining my game. >> I'm stuck. 2004 2004 PlayStation 2.

[1:36:39] Yo, 2004. >> Yo ho yo for me, you know. right? >> I don't think so. I

[1:36:54] >> Jesus Christ. >> mean, he's Listen, LeBron's doing his thing, bro. Dude, want more Warcraft? More my side versus your side. Not this friendcraft. Yeah.

[1:37:07] Yeah, [laughter] that's a good one to say. Yeah, that's a >> Do you just like to come in and say like, and no offense, but like you just like say obvious things or >> I really feel like Blizz has been

[1:37:19] working on Classic Plus and Sod was released or possibly before [music] Sod was their testing grounds for it. >> Feel like we've spoke about this. >> Feel like we've spoke about this. That's a grand message Sky. I think

[1:37:32] they're farther along than we think. They're they're absolutely very far on. Let's And I've said this publicly before and I'll say it again. During SOD phase 1, we got an interview and we pretty much got an email back from a developer.

[1:37:48] saying that Season of Discovery is a in the future. Okay. And this was how many years ago now? Two and a half, three years ago. the end of 2023. Okay, it were at the [music] end of 2026. So

[1:38:02] that was three years ago. So they've been cooking on that thing for a hoot and hollering long time. Okay, so uh yes. Yes, they are uh they are a lot [music] been gathering data for a very long time and uh Blizzard loves to do

[1:38:18] this thing where they act like they're not up to something and then boom, they show you that they are up to something. I know everyone wants them to just it. Announce it. >> Oh, good lord. Mary, I hope everything's

[1:38:30] good. Jesus. God bless you and the dog. >> Yeah. God bless Mary. Have a good night. Um, [music] no. The the thing is you guys, you have to understand something.

[1:38:42] Plus, like if they would have done it last year, all that does is make it so everyone's going to want to hurry it up. >> Like if they reveal it, >> if they once they reveal it, that's it.

[1:38:56] >> Yeah. >> And people are already up their ass about when's it releasing, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. poss. >> Keep it hush. Keep it hush.

[1:39:08] >> And yeah. No, Ace, we don't mean it like that. We're just saying like that. We're just saying like just in general, really speaking. a part of anything at all in the public, which like a lot of us psychopaths are

[1:39:23] of this stuff, then yeah, you're you're accurate. Technically, you're right. But it's almost like it's almost like you're memeing because you're right on the dot and like this is things everyone's been talking

[1:39:37] >> Someone who doesn't watch any Twitch streams ever, you have the same opinions >> the people who are Twitch stream about Classic Plus every day. >> So, it's just funny that you say that. That's why it feels like like a meme.

[1:39:51] but yeah, >> whatever. It's all good. coming, but what about like Diablo, guys? What would you want to see from >> They're going to announce probably another expansion for it.

[1:40:03] >> You think so? Probably. Yeah. >> I would love like another game in the Diablo universe, not just an ARPG. I would love like a CRPG, like a party builder, like um [music] like Balders's Gate. I think that would fit a lot

[1:40:18] Diablo universe. I think that would fit a lot better. Be a really dark, really [ __ ] like gruesome, gory, a lot more story potential. I think for that specific loadout as well. Um cuz I think once you go into space in those games,

[1:40:32] it could kind of [ __ ] on everything. And I don't think they did that well. and even Rogue Trader. >> I saw that their original design for Sky or not Skyrim for Diablo I was supposed to be like um like a Souls like

[1:40:47] don't do that. Uh I want a Diablo immersive simulator like Skyrim. Yeah, I mean that sounds awesome. Um but [ __ ] that's not >> I would kill for that. Imagine like imagine

[1:41:04] traveling at night with like a torch and a sword. >> That would scare the piss out of me. Diablo is an awful universe to be in. me a [music] little. >> No. Yeah, they're terrifying.

[1:41:19] >> I ain't going to lie. >> A Diablo Elder Scrolls like game would be terrifying, but it'd be pretty [ __ ] epic, too. Imagine being a caster or even just a barbarian charging in and just like having like

[1:41:33] almost like Doom. You know how like Doom does their melee combat where you just >> Yeah, I'd want it to be kind of like that. Microsoft will have a presence or announce anything at this year's

[1:41:45] BlizzCon? >> I mean, they had uh at 2023's Blizzcon huh? huh? >> Whatever it was.

[1:41:59] Good Boys. Decided to dive back into retail. Love the demo lock. Let's go, dad play Diablo II when I was young. Nightmare fool. Yeah, I'm good on that. money back. >> What a Diablo game.

[1:42:13] >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Abs. There is a 0% chance it wouldn't make its money back. There's no shot. scary, gory. The combat don't even need to be ghost.

[1:42:25] >> Listen, Blizzard Blizzard games do numbers. Heard the latest rumors. Tinker Class and Last Titan. >> Listen, that's the uh that's the news that's been rumbling. See, Ace, that's

[1:42:37] what we're we really say when when we were talking [music] to you about what we were saying. Uh it's kind of stuff like that. Like, oh [ __ ]

[1:42:51] saying. >> Listen, we have the inside information. If you guys want to know about stuff, >> don't message us. >> We may or may not be under some >> just just stick around.

[1:43:07] >> just just stick around. We'll uh things will come in due time. Um but yeah, is there anything else on the uh I don't think there is anything. Probably not. I think that's about it. I think that's

[1:43:21] there anything else we want to talk about before we head out of here guys? Do you guys want to talk about anything Starcraft, Diablo, World of Warcraft, >> League of Legends Classic. >> That's true.

[1:43:33] >> League of Legends Classic just launched today. Is anyone going to be playing >> Any League Classic enjoyers? >> I am definitely going to try that out. am >> so ready to see that bad boy. I'm

[1:43:47] putting them up right. What about the World of Warcraft Dungeons and Dragons collab? Oh, yeah. I guess you're right. That's kind of cool. Let me go check That's kind of cool. Let me go check that out. Wow. D and D.

[1:44:06] >> You didn't speak about the GM drama. Um, no, we did not. tickets, and everything. So, we are we are officially >> Yeah, we officially have it all. We have our hotel booked. We have planes booked.

[1:44:20] We got our Blisscon tickets. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Blisscon, baby. Uh, Dungeons and Dragons accidentally unveiled a World of Warcraft collaboration ahead of

[1:44:32] schedule. Rut Shaggy, someone's getting fired. I'll see you later. Uh, would you like to play a character in Azeroth using the TTRPG Systems of Dungeons and Dragons? Sure. Both these properties have crossed

[1:44:47] with Wizards of the Coast. That appears to be changing very soon. However, as an have confirmed that Dn D and WoW are currently or officially coming together.

[1:45:00] Uh, that's crazy. Dungeons and Dragons World of Warcraft pre-order now. Are you people stupid? people stupid? Who the [ __ ] let that out?

[1:45:17] >> You're cooked. You're fired. >> Fired. Yo, that's crazy, >> bro. To let that image out is is crazy, >> bro. To let that image out is is crazy, by the way. Uh oh, my computer frozen.

[1:45:32] Chat, are we live? >> Holy [ __ ] my computer's frozen. Chat, >> Quest the day off so I can at least watch the first night of Blizzcon. Yeah, I mean, listen, it's going to be uh

[1:45:46] this I I don't know. Um >> well, they probably been working on it for a minute. >> DND pre-order Dungeons and Dragons World of the Warcraft. Your choices, your story. Roll for Azeroth. DND World of

[1:45:58] Warcraft pre-orders are now live in this Azeroth. The story blah blah blah blah blah blah by Brooke Whitney. >> Oh, Brooke Whitney is getting fired. >> [ __ ] >> Or Brooke Whitney.

[1:46:11] Oh [ __ ] This will mark a major crossover for D and D, marking one of history. World of Warcraft and other MMO RPGs majorly impact development. Yeah. inspiration. Yeah. The other major takeaway from this leak is that Dungeons

[1:46:24] more heavily into the crossover model popularized by sister game Magic the products during the fifth edition including Stranger Things, Minecraft, really seen a true crossover that leaned into bespoke rules. I don't know what

[1:46:37] that is. into bespoke rules at subasses. >> Um, additionally, folks are speculating Noble code named Golly might just be this book. World of the Warcraft is also abbreviated to WoW and WoW is a synonym for goal. This however is no more than

[1:46:51] for goal. This however is no more than speculation at this stage. They will speculation at this stage. They will certainly give you transmog in the game. >> Think so.

[1:47:05] bought a now delete announcement post from the virtual tabletop platform Roll for D and D World of Warcraft. Wizards of the Coast is yet to respond to any this. Right. Yo, if they they literally haven't commented back, yeah, we're

[1:47:19] >> Well, they're [ __ ] Not me. I'm excited. That this unintentional leak is legit, particularly as Dn D is planning to have no intention of ever actually a must purchase. >> The tabletop RPG. I'm buying it

[1:47:34] >> 100%. The popular tabletop system clasping hands with other IPs isn't crossovers with Stranger Things and Rick and Morty previously. Yeah. Yeah, we already didn't talk about that. That's crazy though because you know what? In

[1:47:47] whatever book they have, there might be some lore that spoils things for the some lore that spoils things for the game and I need it. Yes. game and I need it. Yes. So,

[1:48:08] going to wrap up today, man. Uh, a lot of interesting news. I think midnight guys. Thank you for all the subs and the support and the donations and everything tonight. Uh, let's see. Let me just go through all these really, really quick.

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[1:48:37] guys. I appreciate all the love, man. We will be back again uh Saturday night. Chilling out, vibing. So, be ready for that. Um, and yeah, we will see you guys very, very soon. New season coming soon as well. Going to have fun, chill out,

[1:48:50] vibe. So, uh, yeah, that's about it. Love you guys very much. God bless every few days, Saturday night. Hopefully, we get some more updates and news. Season two. Love you guys. God bless. See you in the next one. Peace. Peace. Peace.

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