Spider-Man: Brand New Day - Absolutely Everything We Know So Far

[00:03] Let's rewind. Rewind.

[00:10] Welcome back to Screen Crush Rewind. I'm

[00:12] your host, Ryan Ery. We are back. We had

[00:14] to take a break. We've been doing some

[00:15] other stuff. I saw Supergirl yesterday

[00:18] and I really, really liked it. I don't

[00:21] know if critics are going to like it

[00:22] because I think they're tired of

[00:23] superhero movies, but I do think critics

[00:25] are really going to like Spider-Man:

[00:26] Brand New Day. It seems like everybody's

[00:28] going to like it. Everything we've heard

[00:29] about the movie so far sounds amazing.

[00:31] And look, commenters, I know we're two

[00:34] minutes late, but I was here. Someone

[00:36] else was late, and I'm not going to

[00:37] embarrass them or their audio problems

[00:40] by calling them out right now. So, thank

[00:41] you guys for waiting today. Me and our

[00:43] panel of special guest, experts, and

[00:45] friends are going to talk about

[00:47] everything everything we know about

[00:49] Spider-Man: Brand New Day. We just got a

[00:52] second trailer. We covered it last week.

[00:54] We weren't able to do a reaction because

[00:55] a million things are happening at the

[00:57] same time right now, but we're going to

[00:58] talk about the fallout from that

[01:00] trailer, every reveal. The villain still

[01:03] up in the air. I don't know if it's

[01:04] Satie Sync or what the hell they're

[01:06] doing. So, we're going to get

[01:07] everybody's opinion on that. And there's

[01:08] villains we haven't even seen yet that

[01:09] are confirmed for the movie like

[01:11] Tombstone. So, we're also going to talk

[01:13] about what their role could possibly be

[01:14] as well as all of the hints about

[01:16] Daredevil appearing in the film. And one

[01:20] other thing, we're also going to talk

[01:21] about some of the reveals from the press

[01:22] tour. And also, Alex Perez, who is a a

[01:25] bountiful uh feast of rumors about the

[01:28] MCU, had a a recent tweet that I hope we

[01:32] have time to talk to you guys about

[01:33] because there's a lot on there for

[01:34] phases 7 through9 post multiverse saga,

[01:37] which frankly I bet we're all excited

[01:39] for. But I'm done talking. I want to

[01:42] bring on other people. First of all, you

[01:44] know him as the guy who is always on

[01:46] break, Mr. Tommy Beck told. What's up,

[01:48] Tommy?

[01:49] >> Janet, there's nothing in the employee

[01:52] handbook about banning katanas. The

[01:54] sword stays. Ryan, how are you?

[01:58] >> I am great. And also, I want to point

[02:00] out, uh, maybe our next guest can vi in

[02:02] can, you know, chime in on this. Um,

[02:04] that if that katana is a piece of your

[02:06] ancestral heritage, you could probably

[02:08] claim its use at work under religious

[02:10] grounds. But to make sure about that, I

[02:12] want to bring on our next guest. You

[02:13] know him as Doug's attorney, which makes

[02:15] him one of the hardest working men in

[02:17] show business because Doug is always

[02:18] dealing with lawsuits. Mr. Mike Misella,

[02:20] what's up, Mike?

[02:21] >> Yeah, hold on one second. Janet, hold

[02:23] the rest of my calls and tell Doug I

[02:24] won't be able to bail him out until I'm

[02:26] done with this live stream, but I'll be

[02:28] there soon. Sorry, Doug's in the again.

[02:31] >> Oh god, Canon just blew up. Are you and

[02:33] Tommy working in the same office? And I

[02:35] didn't know this.

[02:36] >> You know, Janet's a very common name,

[02:38] but yes, we are working at the same

[02:39] office. We are

[02:40] >> same. It's an abandoned weird

[02:44] There's two Janets, but it's a Janet W.

[02:46] It's the one.

[02:46] >> I don't know if you guys did either of

[02:48] you ever have the pleasure of working in

[02:49] a wei work.

[02:51] >> I I did spend a week in a wei work. I

[02:53] spent a

[02:54] >> we work week.

[02:57] Was it a temp job or what was your deal

[02:58] with?

[02:59] >> There was a creative uh startup in Los

[03:02] Angeles that lasted one week.

[03:04] >> That makes about Yeah, it sounds about

[03:05] >> And then they said, "Hey, nobody needs

[03:06] to come to work on Monday."

[03:09] We work was great if you ever wanted a

[03:10] place where you could get free bags of

[03:12] beer because they had kegs that were

[03:15] just like these sacks that they put in

[03:16] there like like distilled sugar like

[03:19] soda water. Well, anyways, uh I want to

[03:21] bring on our last person. You guys, he's

[03:23] an old friend of the channel. You know

[03:24] him as the person who's trapped in our

[03:26] TV but doesn't know it. So, please don't

[03:27] tell him. Mr. Colton Auburn. Hello,

[03:28] Colton.

[03:29] >> No, Janet. I will not go to Cheesecake

[03:32] Factory with you. Hello. What? Ryan, can

[03:34] I just say I think it's really rude that

[03:37] you called out Mike about having his

[03:39] camera issues and I was gonna say before

[03:41] we got started

[03:43] >> for being the first person here. Mike

[03:45] was in the green room before me. God

[03:47] knowing knows what he was doing in there

[03:48] by himself, but he was in the green room

[03:50] before me.

[03:51] >> I'm always I'm in the blue room, so I

[03:53] don't know what you guys are going

[03:54] >> I'm in the back room.

[03:58] >> That would actually be a good set now

[03:59] that I think about it. I have a green

[04:00] screen I can pull down. I can put the

[04:02] blue tape on it. Hey, I I don't want to,

[04:04] you know, we're here to talk about

[04:04] Spider-Man. I do want to point out last

[04:06] week we were really hoping to do a

[04:07] Disclosure Day video. I didn't see the

[04:09] movie in time. I finally saw it. What a

[04:11] piece of [ __ ] I really didn't care for

[04:14] the movie.

[04:15] >> We did do a disclosure day video.

[04:17] >> We should just do a Yeah, we should just

[04:19] do a live stream on it. It's a couple

[04:20] weeks too late, but who cares, right?

[04:21] We'll see how it does.

[04:22] >> We did a disclosure day video.

[04:23] >> I know. We as a channel did We didn't do

[04:26] We were going to do a talk about it. I

[04:29] know. Believe it or not, I keep up with

[04:31] the videos we put on the channel.

[04:32] Colton,

[04:34] >> you said we were going to do a

[04:36] disclosure date video, but we didn't.

[04:38] >> Yes, I meant a live stream. I meant a

[04:39] live stream.

[04:40] >> Gotcha. We were

[04:40] >> Oh my god. We are We are bleeding

[04:42] concurrent viewers right now. This is

[04:44] This is tragic. This is the saddest

[04:46] thing ever. No, what I I thought it was

[04:48] too many movies in one and I could have

[04:50] done away with spoiler alert the whole

[04:51] middle act. I don't want to get too far

[04:53] into that. But Tommy, you liked it?

[04:55] >> I I I enjoyed it. But I will say that it

[04:57] was one of those movies that by the time

[04:59] I mean I saw it I think opening night

[05:01] but by the time I had sat in the seat of

[05:04] the theater I'd heard adequate [ __ ]

[05:05] on the movie not that you did but by

[05:07] other people that I just kind of was

[05:10] able to enjoy it for what it was which

[05:11] was like a Spielberg movie. I liked the

[05:13] cinematography in it. I thought it was

[05:14] way too long. I thought that some of the

[05:17] messaging in it was really cool. I

[05:18] thought the woman who played the anchor

[05:19] at the end of the movie did an

[05:21] incredible job. Uh, I also think that

[05:23] with when she's like reacting live to

[05:26] disclosure happening to her.

[05:27] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[05:28] >> I thought she did a really amazing job.

[05:31] >> I just couldn't believe they pulled a

[05:32] crystal skull and it was aliens at the

[05:34] end. [laughter]

[05:36] >> All right. I don't want to get too far

[05:38] into that because like um like you said,

[05:39] Colton, maybe we can still do a

[05:40] Disclosure Day video. You didn't say

[05:42] putting words into your mouth. Yeah,

[05:43] let's do it. In fact, we're gonna change

[05:45] the thumbnail right now and just talk

[05:46] about Disclosure Day. Just kidding.

[05:49] >> I'm gonna go watch the movie. I'll come

[05:50] back. Oh, please do. Please do. I would

[05:53] recommend um bringing a lot of snacks

[05:56] because it is a long movie.

[05:59] >> Please stop making the Disclosure Day

[06:00] sounds. It's unsettling. It's it's it's

[06:03] unsettling. All right, guys. So, last

[06:05] week we did not get a chance to talk

[06:07] about the brand new day trailer. Uh

[06:09] because like I said, lots of stuff going

[06:10] on. House the Dragon coming out Monday.

[06:12] I saw Supergirl yesterday, so I couldn't

[06:14] do the live stream.

[06:15] >> Um but I got a lot of stuff to talk

[06:17] about in this. So, first of all, we have

[06:19] the Savage Hulk, right? Savage Hulk is

[06:21] back. So, I'm curious what you guys

[06:23] think about what happened to Smart Hulk.

[06:26] Why is it suddenly Savage Hulk and why

[06:28] was the roo the wristband necessary for

[06:30] holding him back? Anyone who wants to

[06:32] chime in, go for it.

[06:33] >> Did you guys see? So, in the trailer he

[06:35] appears green, but then Sony released

[06:37] like a social of the same shot of Hulk

[06:40] falling from the building and he looks

[06:41] gray.

[06:42] >> Nice. Typical Sony.

[06:45] >> Typical Sony.

[06:47] >> Real tight ship they're running over

[06:49] there.

[06:50] real tight [laughter and snorts] [ __ ]

[06:52] >> You know, Ryan, I could see um I could

[06:56] see that that like you know, the

[06:57] inhibitor or whatever it's called that

[06:58] that gets destroyed on like

[07:02] I I could see it being accidentally

[07:04] destroyed by by Peter Parker or

[07:06] something like that, a mishap

[07:08] >> because they needed to bring back Savage

[07:10] Hulk. Like that to me like one of the

[07:12] least satisfying things about the MCU is

[07:14] that we didn't have not had enough of

[07:16] Hulk in his like uncontrolled form. like

[07:18] they almost not immediately but they as

[07:21] soon as they made him Smart Hulk it was

[07:22] like this is just what we're getting

[07:24] from now on. So

[07:25] >> I'm uh excited for that.

[07:26] >> I feel like they're kind of they're kind

[07:29] of redoing what they did in Age of

[07:30] Ultron, right? We've already seen Hulk

[07:32] mind controlled and like losing it and

[07:34] going absolutely bananas. Um and I like

[07:39] I wonder how it's going to be any

[07:41] different from that Hulkbuster scene

[07:43] that we saw in Age of Ultron. aside from

[07:45] the fact that Peter doesn't have an

[07:47] Hulkbuster to use.

[07:48] >> Um, but the other thing that I'm

[07:50] wondering too is like, okay, Bruce, if

[07:52] this inhibitor is like literally the

[07:54] lynch pin between you being a normal,

[07:57] rational hero and you becoming an allout

[08:00] rage monster that is liable to hurt

[08:02] people around you, why haven't you made

[08:04] this thing stronger? Like you would

[08:06] think after the car accident in She-Hulk

[08:09] that he would be like, you know, maybe I

[08:11] should make this device that is super

[08:13] super important a little bit durable.

[08:16] >> Obviously, we don't see how it ends up

[08:18] getting smashed in the trailer, but it

[08:20] is smashed and broken. And I'm wondering

[08:22] like

[08:23] >> does Gan Gray mind influence Banner and

[08:27] get him to break it or what?

[08:29] >> I think that's what happens. I think I

[08:31] think he turns into the Hulk under her

[08:33] influence or someone else's. That's the

[08:35] other thing I was thinking too, like

[08:36] we'll get to Gene Gray in a second, but

[08:38] I wonder if it's not obviously she's not

[08:40] the villain. I think they're they're the

[08:42] villain secret. They're teeing us up to

[08:43] think she is. I think she might be mind

[08:45] controlled in that moment by somebody

[08:47] who wants to use her power, which

[08:48] obviously has happened to Gan Gray a lot

[08:50] in the comics is how she turned into

[08:52] Dark Phoenix. Go ahead.

[08:53] >> Why is it so fragile? Couldn't Bruce go

[08:55] to the Wakandons and be like,

[08:57] >> that's what I'm saying. I think I think

[08:58] the Hulk broke it. I think the Hulk

[08:59] broke it and not Bruce. Sorry, Colton.

[09:01] Go ahead.

[09:01] >> Here's what's weird though about the

[09:03] inhibitor. We we were introduced to the

[09:05] inhibitor in She-Hulk and all the

[09:07] inhibitor does is allow Professor Hulk

[09:11] to transform into human form. Initially

[09:13] when they introduce the inhibitor, it

[09:15] has nothing to do with the mind of like

[09:17] Savage Hulk. So theoretically, when when

[09:20] Bruce removes his inhibitor, it just

[09:22] makes him turn back into Professor Hulk.

[09:24] So, I I don't know if they're changing

[09:26] that in Brand New Day or if we'll get

[09:28] like a line that explains because just

[09:30] because the inhibitor gets broken that

[09:32] that shouldn't make Rage Hulk come out.

[09:34] That should just make Professor Hulk

[09:36] come out.

[09:36] >> That's a good point, Colton. I wasn't

[09:38] thinking about that. Thank you for that.

[09:39] >> Well, let me let me bring this out there

[09:41] then. Maybe here's what the deal is.

[09:42] Maybe when he says that to Peter in the

[09:43] trailer when he goes, "This comes off,

[09:45] watch out." He's kidding.

[09:46] >> Yeah, he's just screwed

[09:47] >> because Yeah. Yeah. He because he knows

[09:49] he knows that he's Professor Hulk. But

[09:51] the reason Savage Hulk comes out, and

[09:53] Mike, I think this dubtales perfectly

[09:54] with what you were just saying,

[09:56] >> he's influenced by whoever the mind

[09:57] controlling villain is to become Hulk,

[09:59] and then the inhibitor is basically

[10:01] useless.

[10:02] >> Yeah. Yeah, I agree. Yeah.

[10:05] >> So then the other thing,

[10:06] >> like I said earlier, how does this

[10:08] differ significantly from what we saw in

[10:10] Age of Ultron? Like is it still just is

[10:13] he struggling with it? Do we see him

[10:14] fighting with it? Or is he just a

[10:16] monster? Well, I don't know that in Age

[10:19] of Ultron, we just did a video on this.

[10:21] I don't think Wanda mind controlled the

[10:23] Hulk. I just think she showed him some

[10:26] vision of the future that was really

[10:27] scary to him. And again, we did a video.

[10:29] >> Yeah, we did a video like earlier last

[10:31] week about this. But

[10:32] >> in Age of Ultron, personally, I think

[10:34] she showed Hulk a vision of a life where

[10:37] he was trapped in the back seat, which,

[10:39] you know, Colton, you've done a video on

[10:41] it. I've done videos on it. I think

[10:42] that's exactly what Bruce did to him in

[10:44] becoming Smart Hulk. And I think that's

[10:45] why when Savage Hulk comes out, he could

[10:48] go on and become a villain, like a

[10:50] straightup villain in the next saga.

[10:52] >> Do you guys think that he is being

[10:54] control by whoever the mind controller

[10:56] is, whoever's using Jean's powers? Do

[10:58] you think they are actively mind

[10:59] controlling Hulk like we've seen them do

[11:01] others or they're just I feel like

[11:03] they're just releasing him and I think

[11:05] he's going to have every right to be

[11:07] pissed because he's been held dormant

[11:10] since

[11:11] >> Infinity War or since Endgame,

[11:13] >> like those five years. Yeah.

[11:15] >> Yeah. The five years in between Infinity

[11:17] War and

[11:17] >> Yeah. Well, in the trailer when we get

[11:19] that line that's like, "But he can."

[11:22] It's from Bruce's voice.

[11:24] >> That's what leads me to believe that

[11:25] he's being mind controlled. And then

[11:26] also that is a nice parallel of Thor at

[11:29] the end of Ragnarok being like, "I know

[11:31] I can't beat you, but he can, and

[11:34] >> I think that he's mind controlled to

[11:36] unleash the Hulk." And then I hope the

[11:38] Hulk is out because that's one thing I

[11:39] would ask you guys. So,

[11:41] okay. Again, Colton, you've done videos

[11:42] on this, so I know what you think. Like

[11:44] the Age of Ultron was our last Hulk

[11:45] movie. He's really been and because of

[11:47] the rights issues where Universal has

[11:49] the per rights I guess in perpetuity to

[11:52] make a solo Hulk movie, but Marvel can

[11:53] only use them in teamup films and the

[11:55] the underperformance of the Incredible

[11:57] Hulk at the box office. We haven't

[11:58] really gotten an arc for Hulk. It's sort

[12:01] of like Thor where there are these two

[12:03] really powerful guys. They just keep

[12:04] getting used for whatever the plot needs

[12:07] them to do or the writers have to find a

[12:09] way to limit their capability. Like we

[12:11] haven't actually seen straight up Hulk

[12:12] since Ultron. Yeah. And I don't fear it

[12:14] becoming repetitive like with Age of

[12:17] Ultron because I I think we're about to

[12:18] not see Bruce Banner again for a while.

[12:21] I think kind of like what you went into

[12:22] in that that one video. I think it's

[12:24] about to be all Hulk all the time. I I

[12:26] think we are about to get like a

[12:27] Greyhulk or a Maestro.

[12:30] >> They could be setting him up as a

[12:32] potential foe for post Secret Wars. Uh

[12:36] >> I hope so. World War Hulk.

[12:38] >> God, I hope they do World War Hulk. I I

[12:40] hope that the reason that he's not

[12:43] announced for Doomsday is because maybe

[12:44] in uh Spider-Man Brand New Day, we see

[12:47] him get shipped off or something. Then

[12:49] again, they kind of already did all that

[12:51] in Ragnarok, he shipped himself off. So,

[12:52] you do want to be careful about how you

[12:54] repeat it. But

[12:55] >> do you feel like

[12:57] >> Oh, sorry. Go ahead.

[12:58] >> Do you do you think Marvel like, you

[13:00] know, famously demanding that Tony

[13:02] Stark's face be shown in the Iron Man

[13:04] suit for no reason would do that would

[13:06] like continue to have a Hulk with no

[13:07] Bruce Banner with Mark Ruffalo? Do you

[13:09] think like that star power isn't as

[13:11] bright as Robert Downey Jr. So they're

[13:13] more apt to have him be Hulk an entire

[13:15] movie or

[13:16] >> Well, he looks just like him. Like they

[13:18] make him look just like Ruffalo.

[13:20] >> I think would like I think Mark Ruffalo

[13:22] would jump at it a chance.

[13:23] >> I agree. I just wonder I wonder if I

[13:26] wonder if Disney famous for kind of

[13:28] playing it safe over this last decade

[13:30] would be like, "Well, we can't not have

[13:32] Mark Ruffalo."

[13:33] >> But he's I don't think he's going to be

[13:36] like just that, you know, like in

[13:37] Endgame. He's like, uh, he's pretending

[13:39] to be Hulk. I don't think it's going to

[13:41] be a lot of that. I think you were on to

[13:43] something with in that video about it

[13:44] being like a maestro type Hulk who

[13:46] >> we had Bruce Banner say, I combined the

[13:48] brain and the brun where like he, you

[13:51] know, it's kind of like he's doing the

[13:54] power and the mind.

[13:55] >> We could see kind of a flip where it's a

[13:57] more like it's Hulk, but he has the

[14:00] intelligence of Banner and he's using it

[14:02] almost like a power. Yeah. In the same

[14:04] way that Banner just did to the Hulk,

[14:06] where for years Banner was using his

[14:09] strength, maybe the Hulk can then use

[14:10] his mental acuity and his strategy and

[14:12] his brilliance. That would be an

[14:14] amazing. So then the Avengers are not

[14:16] just trying to stop the Hulk, they're

[14:17] trying to save Banner,

[14:19] >> right? Yes.

[14:20] >> I would love that. Mike, you were you

[14:22] about to say something? I'm sorry.

[14:24] >> Nope.

[14:24] >> Okay. Sorry. So there is an interesting

[14:26] thing here. We've been throwing out for

[14:28] a while that the control collars that

[14:30] they used to control mutants in Days of

[14:31] Future Past and on Janosha could be

[14:34] adapted from the same technology we're

[14:35] talking about. We did a whole video on

[14:37] this. A lot of you guys have seen it.

[14:38] Thank you for that. Um, you know, damage

[14:41] controls in this movie. We've also

[14:43] theorized that damage control could

[14:44] become the Department of Mutant Control.

[14:46] >> Here's the interesting thing about this.

[14:48] the Treml Tilman who's playing the the

[14:51] head of damage control in this movie.

[14:52] They have not officially released his

[14:54] name, but then in the trailer again Sony

[14:56] letting stuff slip by. In the subtitles,

[14:58] they do call him Mezer, who is probably

[15:00] William Mezer, the anti-mutant

[15:02] protester. So, do you guys think one,

[15:05] are they setting up damage control as an

[15:07] antagonist to mutants? And two, why are

[15:09] you excited about that?

[15:10] >> I'm just learning that. You can tell I I

[15:13] really read the show notes thoroughly. I

[15:15] I I've been thinking he was Mezzer, but

[15:17] I I didn't know that that slipped

[15:18] through a subtitle. That's I didn't

[15:20] either. Shout out our producer Ethan

[15:22] Inc. for catching that and putting it in

[15:23] our rundown. Thanks, Ethan.

[15:24] >> I Yeah, I just did a whole video uh last

[15:27] week or was it earlier this? I don't

[15:29] know. It all blends together.

[15:30] >> It was last week, I think. It's

[15:33] about DoD being like the the villain of

[15:36] the mutant saga. Yeah. So, I 100% think

[15:38] that they are like doing what's it

[15:41] called? false flag operations like where

[15:43] they are creating damage for them to

[15:45] control. They're going to make mutants

[15:47] look bad. Yeah.

[15:48] >> So, question that that's like a full

[15:50] heel turn from the comics though because

[15:52] like the Department of Damage Control

[15:53] isn't like a completely villainous

[15:55] organization in the comics, right? Like

[15:57] it's kind of more of like a cleanup. No,

[15:59] there it's more of a funny comic and it

[16:01] is a good it's a good book, but like

[16:03] when they showed the Department of

[16:04] Damage Control in Homecoming, Tandy

[16:06] Newton was playing um

[16:07] >> not Tandy Newton, I forget her name, but

[16:09] Ty Daly was playing the head of who

[16:11] looks exactly like the character who

[16:12] runs it in the comics. So, it seemed

[16:13] like they were setting them up for this

[16:15] ABC damage control spin-off that they

[16:17] shot a pilot for.

[16:18] >> I'm glad they went another way. They've

[16:20] basically been antagonistic since No Way

[16:22] Home, and I think that's great.

[16:24] >> But I I like I like it better. Yeah, I

[16:28] like it better if they don't know that

[16:29] they're the bad guys. Like if they if

[16:31] they're an organization that thinks that

[16:32] they're protecting the world from

[16:34] dangerous mutants. Like I think it I

[16:37] don't want them to be fully villainous.

[16:39] I want them to be like all good villains

[16:40] and think that they're

[16:42] >> too like that is all a result of Tony

[16:45] passing away too, right? Because Tony

[16:48] started the department of damage

[16:49] control. We learn in I believe Civil War

[16:52] that DODC is a joint venture between

[16:54] Stark Industries and the US government.

[16:57] And so Tony was more or less the the

[17:00] head of that in leading the efforts to

[17:03] clean up after battles, protect

[17:05] civilians, and with him gone now it's

[17:10] like they have lost their direction. And

[17:12] so they have all of this funding from

[17:14] the government. They have a mandate to

[17:16] keep people safe at any cost. and they

[17:19] no longer have a person on the inside

[17:22] with the insight into the world of uh

[17:25] metahuman, superpowered people, whatever

[17:28] we want to call them, enhanced

[17:29] individuals. They don't have a person

[17:31] there that can be like, "Hey, let us go

[17:33] ahead and maybe try and talk to this

[17:35] person first before you storm them with

[17:36] sonic cannons." And that is why it has

[17:40] taken such a sharp turn is that they

[17:42] think they're honoring Tony's memory,

[17:44] but they're really taking it too far and

[17:48] going to become more authoritarian. And

[17:51] I think you're exactly right, Ryan. This

[17:53] is going to become the organization that

[17:55] is tasked with hunting down mutants.

[17:58] >> And Val's probably behind it, too. I

[18:01] think Ox is involved, has has a profit

[18:04] motive. You could bring in Striker, have

[18:06] him be involved. There's a lot of really

[18:08] cool stuff you could do with it. Yeah,

[18:10] >> I think the Striker role might be I if

[18:12] if Striker is in this, he might be what

[18:14] he is in the comics, which is like like

[18:15] an evangelist who hates mutants, because

[18:17] then it allows you to attack that from

[18:19] the religious angle. And then Mezer

[18:21] might be your more military person.

[18:23] >> But then again, depending on what they

[18:24] do with Wolverine, and that's it. We're

[18:26] not on it's not on our list for today,

[18:28] but like X-Men casting news is, you

[18:30] know, kind of getting leaked here and

[18:32] there and it seems like they're u based

[18:34] on rumors going to do the Hellfire Club

[18:36] as the villain, which I think is a

[18:37] perfect choice. Um, and again, if you're

[18:40] talking about Jean, here's, you know,

[18:42] the one of the most important Hellfire

[18:44] Club storylines is when mastermind

[18:46] manipulated her consciousness and that

[18:48] unleashed a dark phoenix. And maybe the

[18:49] same kind of thing happens in this movie

[18:51] where the shadow king or whoever the

[18:53] villain is who's taking people over kind

[18:55] of can open up some kind of darkness in

[18:57] her. I don't know. Are there any other

[18:59] things about the Department of Damage

[19:00] Control where you can see them in other

[19:02] aspects of the MCU? Maybe is this kind

[19:04] of like behind the scenes villain that

[19:07] maybe builds? We've already seen them

[19:09] build up. I mean, and from No Way Home

[19:11] to Ms. Marvel, that's a pretty big

[19:12] escalation for them. Are there any other

[19:14] avenues or paths you guys can see them

[19:16] like in phases seven through nine

[19:17] becoming more antagonistic?

[19:20] >> I think they cause

[19:21] >> Oh, go.

[19:22] >> Go ahead.

[19:23] >> I was just going to say I think they

[19:25] caused the second civil war. I think

[19:27] that it's going to be I I talked about

[19:30] in that video that and I won't rehash it

[19:32] too much, but I I think Val is going to

[19:34] like make this argument that the problem

[19:36] with the Skovia Accords was it was too

[19:38] like government controlled and she's

[19:40] going to say the the private industry

[19:41] needs to get involved and we we know

[19:44] that she owns the the new Avengers team.

[19:46] So then you have like government

[19:48] approved privatelyowned military

[19:50] contract type superheroes and then you

[19:53] have the vigilante superheroes and you

[19:54] have registration and you have

[19:56] anti-registration, mutant registration.

[19:59] And I I think that you'll have certain

[20:00] heroes falling on either side of that

[20:02] and it could cause Civil War II for

[20:04] sure. something that I think they need

[20:06] to do in the mutant saga because I Civil

[20:09] War II could also be mutant centric like

[20:12] we've talked about before on the streams

[20:14] about they could take that inhuman

[20:16] character I'm forgetting his name that

[20:17] can read the future have that be a

[20:19] mutant and have them fighting over you

[20:21] know how to use that power and the the

[20:23] punishment coming after the crime. So

[20:25] yeah, I think I think they're going to

[20:27] be like a

[20:30] backbone. I don't know if backbone would

[20:32] be the right word, but I think you're

[20:33] going to see DODC in like every corner

[20:36] of the MCU serving as like this this

[20:39] villain of sorts. And maybe not like a

[20:41] maja villain, but just like something

[20:42] that every hero is running into like as

[20:45] an obstacle,

[20:46] >> you know, and we assume, Mike, I'll get

[20:47] to you in just a second, but we assumed

[20:49] for a long time that the mutant saga was

[20:50] going to build toward the Dark Phoenix

[20:52] saga and go cosmic. It may be more

[20:54] earthbound. It may actually be more like

[20:56] the recent Avengers versus X-Men

[20:58] storyline where um they clashed over you

[21:01] know this girl named I'm not going to

[21:02] get into the details. They clashed over

[21:03] a girl named Hope. But basically at that

[21:05] point the X-Men were living on Janosha

[21:07] trying to build a mutant society after

[21:09] the massacre of Janosha happened that we

[21:10] saw in X-Men 97. So it could be that. It

[21:13] could be I think what they should build

[21:15] toward is Avengers versus X-Men. To me

[21:17] that is like the pinnacle of what

[21:18] everybody's been waiting for since they

[21:20] saw the Avengers. Go ahead, Mike. I'm

[21:21] sorry. I was just going to say we saw a

[21:24] little bit in Wonderman about kind of

[21:26] the internal politics at the DODC and

[21:28] that they have this mandate to fill that

[21:32] supermax prison in California. You're

[21:34] talking, you know, a couple phases

[21:36] ahead. We might get to a point where the

[21:38] DODC is struggling to justify its own

[21:42] existence. And in order to do so, maybe

[21:44] they do some um back rooms, you know,

[21:46] off the books programs to try and create

[21:49] more enhanced individuals so that they

[21:52] have a purpose to exist and then maybe

[21:54] it goes wrong and then there's too many

[21:56] enhanced individuals and maybe that's

[21:57] how we get the Inhumans like it's like a

[22:00] Terrain Miss thing. Like if you played

[22:02] the really awful Avengers video game uh

[22:05] that came up a came out a while ago, the

[22:07] Square Enix one, that's kind of what

[22:09] happens. There's like a like AIM uh sets

[22:12] off like a terrain bomb that basically

[22:14] like gives a ton kills a bunch of people

[22:16] but then also gives a bunch of people

[22:18] powers turning them into inhumans. Um we

[22:21] could potentially see something like

[22:22] that later on down the road. Uh or the

[22:24] DoD trying to create its own enhanced

[22:27] individuals to fight back. Um which is

[22:29] something that we've seen that Val is

[22:31] inclined to do like with uh the new

[22:33] Avengers. Well, you know, it's funny

[22:35] because uh the the opening montage of

[22:37] Spider-Man brand new day, we presume

[22:39] it's the opening montage where he fights

[22:41] like tarantula and boomerang and all

[22:42] these other people is giving us one

[22:44] thing the MCU hasn't really had and

[22:45] that's just like super villains at

[22:47] large. So, I think starting with like

[22:49] Batman when they killed the Joker,

[22:51] superhero movies had this thing where

[22:53] the villain like an action movie dies at

[22:54] the end, but that doesn't happen in

[22:56] comics because you want them alive for

[22:57] the next story. So, we have in the

[22:59] comics a vast array of pretty bitching

[23:03] Marvel super villains who either have

[23:05] never been on screen but briefly

[23:06] appeared on TV or were killed off really

[23:09] fast or misused like the Wrecking Crew

[23:11] and She-Hulk. I love that idea because I

[23:13] think that means that we can have an

[23:14] array of different villains just running

[23:17] around just like we have an array of

[23:18] heroes.

[23:19] >> Well, Scorpion is DODC funded, I think,

[23:22] and I I wouldn't be surprised if

[23:23] Tarantula and Boomerang and all of them

[23:25] again. It's like when

[23:27] >> It's like when a a weapons manufacturer

[23:29] pays off a congressperson to vote for a

[23:32] war because they need to sell weapons to

[23:34] fight that war. There's no war,

[23:36] >> right?

[23:37] >> Yeah. Y [snorts]

[23:39] >> I think I still think it might be J.

[23:41] Jonah Jameson because we've speculated

[23:42] that the wedding that Spider-Man crashes

[23:45] in the trailer is uh John Jameson's

[23:47] wedding.

[23:48] >> Million% it says on the helicopter.

[23:51] There's no way. There is no way it is

[23:53] not John Jameson's wedding. be the same

[23:56] actor. They have to have the same actor

[23:58] that played him in

[23:59] >> 20 years ago. Oh, that poor kid.

[24:02] >> Yeah. And he's about to get married. He

[24:03] becomes the man wolf because he's an

[24:05] astronaut and he hates spiders.

[24:06] >> I just want [clears throat] to see then

[24:08] J. Jonah Jameson be like, "You ruined my

[24:10] son's wedding. Let me go break a

[24:12] criminal out of prison and build

[24:14] [laughter] a mech suit.

[24:15] >> He needs to become I want the comic

[24:18] accurate scorpion origin." He needs to

[24:20] lean over to his wife and tell him to

[24:22] call the caterer and don't open the

[24:23] caviar like they [laughter] do in

[24:25] Spider-Man.

[24:27] >> Man, I I guarantee you because in that

[24:30] in that scene, they're all facing

[24:31] forward and they turn back and look at

[24:33] Spider-Man. Guarantee you it's Jay Jones

[24:35] Jameson giving a speech at his son's

[24:37] wedding. There's there's no way that's

[24:39] not happening in that scene. Um, and

[24:41] you're right, it's also a fun call back

[24:43] along with many other callbacks to

[24:44] Spider-Man 2 that it looks like we're

[24:46] getting in this movie. It's like

[24:47] Spider-Man 2 on steroids. I agree. I,

[24:49] you know, Mike, I agree with you. I

[24:51] think that if they could do comic

[24:53] accurate origin where the scorpion is

[24:55] funded by JJ Jonah Jameson, that would

[24:57] make sense. I kind of doubt they're

[24:59] going to go that way because this

[25:00] Jameson,

[25:01] >> it doesn't seem like he's quite

[25:04] >> I can almost see the Jameson from the

[25:06] Remy movies doing that. But this guy is

[25:09] kind of cut in the vein of Alex Jones.

[25:11] And Alex Jones would have rather made

[25:12] [ __ ] up than actually create his own

[25:14] super villain.

[25:15] >> Yeah. because we've never seen uh TV

[25:18] personalities end up actually becoming

[25:20] people who have power in the government

[25:22] or access to funding or anything. I

[25:25] don't know.

[25:25] >> I'm not saying Jameson wouldn't run for

[25:27] mayor like he does in the comics or or

[25:28] do something along those lines.

[25:30] Apparently, the mayor's office is just

[25:32] rotating super villains in and out these

[25:33] days in the MCU. It could also be that

[25:35] >> I think totally gonna be part of their

[25:37] media arm like Val and he's totally part

[25:42] of

[25:42] >> how much of a waste was it that they

[25:43] couldn't use him in the show Daredevil

[25:46] >> that just would have been like Jameson

[25:48] should have been a part of that I think

[25:49] the whole time I think he would have

[25:50] been a Fisk supporter from day one

[25:52] because it was anti- vigilante laws.

[25:54] It's just one of those things like

[25:56] >> I wish the the universes were a little

[25:58] bit more tied together but the Sony

[26:00] rights probably precluded them from

[26:01] doing that. Um, they are also in this

[26:04] movie really putting the hand in it a

[26:08] lot. Now, when the first leaked trailer

[26:10] happened, which of course I didn't

[26:12] watch. Uh, and by the way guys, we have

[26:14] a lot of super chats coming in. We will

[26:15] get to and super chats as always are

[26:17] encouraged but not required. But, you

[26:18] know, please please keep them coming.

[26:20] We'll get to them in a second. Uh, when

[26:21] that first trailer came out, I thought,

[26:22] oh, it looks like the hand are part of

[26:24] the same villain montage that we were

[26:25] talking about earlier. Well, then we get

[26:28] more scenes with them in a prison, no

[26:30] less, where Matt Murdoch currently is.

[26:33] We get magazine covers.

[26:35] Do we think that The Hand are just

[26:37] little one-off villains? Because in the

[26:39] trailer, we've got this opening montage

[26:41] and then we see where Peter's eyes start

[26:43] to turn black. And I'm wondering if that

[26:46] the eyes, you know, turning black is the

[26:49] mutation or if he's being possessed. And

[26:51] then the hand are obsessed with this

[26:53] like dark spirit. Um, what do they call

[26:55] it? the black sky, right? This Yeah. The

[26:58] beast that they're gonna raise up and

[26:59] they worship this

[27:00] >> this mythological beast that's gonna

[27:02] give them all eternal life and [ __ ]

[27:03] They might have a bigger role in this

[27:05] than we thought. I

[27:06] >> I think like all the other villains in

[27:07] the film, the hand is somehow working

[27:10] for DODC and we know that um

[27:14] >> really

[27:15] >> tomb we know Tombstone's in the movie. I

[27:17] think Tombstone is serving as the same

[27:19] guy who plays him.

[27:22] I think Tombstone is serving as like an

[27:24] ear to the ground between DODC and like

[27:26] the criminal underworld because again I

[27:28] I really do think Department of Damage

[27:30] Control is having trouble justifying

[27:33] their existence.

[27:34] Everything seems to kind of be going

[27:36] well right now. Superheroes are embraced

[27:38] again. Spider-Man's getting the key to

[27:40] the city, whereas their whole thing

[27:42] leading up to this has been we, you

[27:44] know, we bust superheroes and we we give

[27:46] them a hard time. So, I think they do

[27:48] need some damage that they're having to

[27:50] control and that's why they're uh

[27:52] employing people like Scorpion giving

[27:53] them these mechanized suits. You'll

[27:55] notice, you know, I was really on the

[27:57] train about, okay, the hand, they're in

[28:00] a prison. Matt Murdoch's in prison. It's

[28:03] got to be something there. Uh maybe

[28:05] Electra is still running the Hand.

[28:07] They're breaking Matt out.

[28:08] >> Who is, by the way, confirmed for

[28:10] Daredevil season 3. Some BTS photos.

[28:12] Yeah.

[28:13] >> But then like,

[28:14] >> okay, well, why is Spider-Man there?

[28:16] Why? Why are they going to go into all

[28:19] this in a Spider-Man movie when we've

[28:21] got Daredevil Born Again season 3 coming

[28:23] out? If you look

[28:24] >> in that leaked version of the trailer

[28:26] that I totally didn't watch either,

[28:29] >> when Spider-Man on the end tag lands and

[28:33] is like antagonizing that DODC agent

[28:36] that is clearly standing outside of some

[28:38] type of cell block. Mhm.

[28:40] >> If you look behind that agent, there is

[28:43] another agent on the other side of the

[28:44] fence that appears to be holding one of

[28:47] those same like batons that we see

[28:49] [clears throat] the hand fighting with

[28:51] in the prison. Those electrical like

[28:54] there's electricity batons like not just

[28:56] swords and stuff.

[28:58] >> That's what they're fighting Spider-Man

[28:59] with in the prison. So that makes me

[29:01] think, okay, so why does the Hand have

[29:03] the exact same weapons as the DODC at

[29:06] the prison that Spider-Man seems to be

[29:08] jumping into? We know Sadie Sink is

[29:10] being held somewhere. Her character I

[29:13] think this is Spider-Man breaking her

[29:15] character out. Spider-Man wipes the

[29:17] floor with the agents. They call in the

[29:19] hand to come

[29:21] >> stop.

[29:21] >> I don't know. I had always kind of read

[29:23] it as maybe the hand and Spider-Man are

[29:26] both breaking into the prison at the

[29:27] same time for the same goal. They're

[29:29] both like racing there. And if Daredevil

[29:32] is in this prison, it would make sense

[29:33] that, you know, if it's not a full DoDC

[29:36] prison, that they have at least maybe

[29:38] some um special agents guarding his cell

[29:41] and that they have those weapons and

[29:43] that maybe the hand came in, took out

[29:45] those dudes, [snorts] and took their

[29:46] weapons.

[29:47] >> Maybe

[29:48] >> um I think the Hand is not the type of

[29:50] organization to

[29:53] buddy up with the government like to

[29:55] even like one acknowledge that they

[29:57] exist, right? like so I'm not so sure

[30:00] that they would

[30:02] >> obviously the whole thing would be off

[30:03] the books but it it just doesn't seem

[30:05] like it's in their character to team up

[30:08] with the feds. Well, ex but think about

[30:11] their current state a after the

[30:14] defenders they've pretty much so the

[30:16] hand was funded through their uh

[30:19] criminal underground work with fist you

[30:21] know they were part of like the

[30:22] underground criminal empire whatever of

[30:24] the MCU's New York City

[30:26] >> so that's how they were funded

[30:29] >> after the defenders that was pretty much

[30:30] dismantled so the presence of the hand

[30:33] in New York they've likely been

[30:36] struggling so I I could see them taking

[30:38] a deal with the government that's like,

[30:40] "Hey, we let you keep doing what you're

[30:43] doing. We provide you weapons and

[30:45] funding when we call you come like to do

[30:48] what we need you to do." I I could see

[30:50] that happening. [snorts]

[30:51] >> My thought though, that that Hawkeye did

[30:53] wipe out the Yakuza, which would have

[30:55] opened up a lot of profit avenue, like

[30:57] revenue avenues for them in Japan, too.

[30:59] Go ahead, Tommy. I'm sorry.

[31:00] >> Well, I'm just wondering, it seems to me

[31:01] like there would need to be some

[31:02] connective tissue then between the DODC

[31:05] and the hand. like is is uh Tremol

[31:08] Tilman's character someone who like has

[31:12] a like deep experience in the New York

[31:14] underground crime scene like you know

[31:15] what I mean like it I always I'm always

[31:17] curious as to like how how does someone

[31:19] in the DODC even know how to

[31:21] >> get the hand on board with that

[31:24] >> Tombstone that's a point yeah I love the

[31:27] idea I love the idea of them like you

[31:29] said Colton running FL false flag

[31:31] operations

[31:32] >> I I think Tombstone's their middleman

[31:33] because that's kind of what he is in the

[31:34] comics right he's like a mob top

[31:36] enforcer. He's like a he he gets things

[31:38] done. Like he's like the middleman that

[31:41] operates between the different like

[31:43] criminal heads and stuff and make sure

[31:44] that

[31:45] >> he's a guy.

[31:46] >> Yeah. He's a guy that knows a guy, get

[31:48] things done. Yeah.

[31:49] >> I definitely think the reason he's there

[31:51] though is to free Sadie Sync. I think

[31:53] it's really clever in their marketing.

[31:55] >> One, not revealing who she is is kind of

[31:57] silly. Um, I think what they should have

[31:59] done was say she's a new character and

[32:01] give her the name of an alias that she

[32:02] uses at the start of the movie because

[32:04] as soon as you see a red-haired young

[32:05] person, like just Gene Gray, like who

[32:07] else the hell is going to be? Especially

[32:08] if they keep it a secret. But the idea

[32:10] of making

[32:12] >> we got a scene where somebody says, "I

[32:13] like your real name, Jean."

[32:16] >> Robin, you know, Robin.

[32:19] >> Robin.

[32:20] >> That's right. No one

[32:21] >> Jean Skywalker. Exactly.

[32:23] >> But then, you know, I I do want to point

[32:25] this out. So, look, I'm a little behind

[32:27] here because I was so busy yesterday

[32:28] like traveling to the theater and

[32:30] everything. I didn't realize that a

[32:30] Spider-Man brand new day TV spot had

[32:32] come out until just now. Were you guys

[32:34] aware of this?

[32:35] >> No.

[32:36] >> Apparently, one came out yesterday. It's

[32:37] not a prank. Um, I figure we'll see

[32:40] what's in it. It may be the exact same.

[32:41] There may be some new details. Maybe we

[32:43] should have done a whole video on this,

[32:44] but like let's watch it right now. Let's

[32:45] react to it

[32:46] >> really quick. I I think they're going to

[32:48] learn that she has a mutant gene. And

[32:50] then Peter's going to say, "Well, let's

[32:51] call you Jean." I think that's how it's

[32:52] going to happen.

[32:53] >> Oh, Eugene. Perfect. What kind of jeans?

[32:56] What color jeans is she wearing?

[32:58] >> And she and she released the Gray Hulk.

[33:00] So yeah.

[33:01] >> Jesus God.

[33:03] >> Oh, that's even worse than what I said.

[33:05] I thought mine was and I thought my joke

[33:07] was bad.

[33:09] [sighs]

[33:11] >> Oh, on the outside. All right, here we

[33:12] go. Let's watch this.

[33:14] >> The horse's name was Saturday.

[33:17] >> It's Friday.

[33:18] >> Saturday. [laughter]

[33:19] >> It's Friday.

[33:20] >> No, that's a better joke. That's that's

[33:23] that's like wheels within wheels. Oh,

[33:25] it's it's like an onion. It stinks the

[33:27] more layers you go down the parfait.

[33:29] Okay, let's watch this brand new day TV

[33:31] spot. See what we see. And uh for all

[33:33] you screen crushers out there, sorry we

[33:34] didn't break this one down yet.

[33:35] >> Scary bad guys,

[33:37] >> but do you know the one thing he is

[33:39] never scared of?

[33:40] >> Hold on. Let's start it from the

[33:41] beginning.

[33:41] >> We all know that Spider-Man fights scary

[33:43] bad guys,

[33:45] >> but do you know the one thing he is

[33:46] never scared of? Needles.

[33:48] >> What the?

[33:49] >> It's probably spider puberty.

[33:51] >> Hey, hey, hey. Come on.

[33:54] >> What's going on with you, Spider-Man?

[33:56] >> Organic webs.

[33:59] >> Heightened fences.

[34:00] >> God, that's cool.

[34:01] >> Increased agility.

[34:03] >> You okay, kid? Yeah, you're okay.

[34:05] >> Spider-Man: Brand New Day.

[34:07] >> I didn't know you could get that big.

[34:09] >> Rated PG-13, July

[34:12] >> They made it look like

[34:14] >> They made it look like Scorpion was the

[34:16] one saying, "What's going on with you,

[34:17] Spider-Man?" But that was totally Tom

[34:20] Holland's voice. Anyway, sorry. Looks

[34:21] good.

[34:22] >> I know. I know. Uh, I like this scene

[34:24] where, and I'm curious because somebody

[34:26] else had said something in the super

[34:27] chats about this, um, where he's doing

[34:30] the right thing. He's wearing a hospital

[34:31] gown. He's being a good guy. They do

[34:33] make it look like vaccines cause his

[34:35] mutation. Am I the only person who's

[34:37] noticing that?

[34:38] >> No, it didn't work.

[34:40] >> It didn't work.

[34:41] >> Yeah. He's already [laughter] gone

[34:42] through it. And he seemed surprised that

[34:44] the needle bent. He was like, "What

[34:46] the?"

[34:47] >> Yeah. See, the needle bent and he's

[34:48] like, "What? Too many boosters.

[34:51] >> Yeah.

[34:51] >> So, he's becoming like more

[34:53] indestructible.

[34:55] >> Okay.

[34:56] >> More ind. Can Can you get more

[34:58] indestructible? I don't

[34:59] >> And it's cool. No, you actually It's

[35:01] like saying more.

[35:02] >> It's like when it's like when uh

[35:04] Thunderbolt Ross says adamantium. It's

[35:06] more indestructible than vitranium. I'm

[35:08] like,

[35:09] >> yeah, but to be fair, the opening of the

[35:11] Declaration of Independence has the

[35:12] exact same grammatic a more perfect

[35:14] union. There's no or no constitution not

[35:17] not

[35:19] all the nerds in this. Well, actually

[35:21] the declaration of is not a binding

[35:23] legal document. I believe you're

[35:25] referring to the people's constitution.

[35:27] All right. Got a couple other questions

[35:29] here. Uh one about Sadi Sync, right? So,

[35:33] do you guys think that her being Jean

[35:35] Gray I guess I have two question here.

[35:38] One is related to

[35:41] Secret Wars, I guess. So after Secret

[35:43] Wars, there's a soft reboot of the MCU.

[35:46] I'm willing to bet your regular rank and

[35:48] file person just doesn't remember the

[35:51] they know that some bad [ __ ] happened,

[35:53] but then everything was fine, right?

[35:54] They remember up to the incursion and

[35:56] that's about it. And because reality's

[35:58] been rewritten, they don't know. So

[35:59] basically in this movie, if the presence

[36:01] of Gan Gray frightens people and leads

[36:04] them to fear and distrust mutant kind,

[36:07] they would never remember the mutants

[36:09] were here. Charles Xavier and Patrick

[36:10] Stewart and all that was already

[36:12] happened, right? That's all wiped from

[36:14] the regular person's memory. But do you

[36:16] think these events kickstart anti-mutant

[36:18] paranoia? And also, do you guys think

[36:21] that

[36:23] um the heroes forget that they worked

[36:26] with Hugh Jackman and Secret Wars?

[36:28] >> Well, there's a reason it's called

[36:29] Secret Wars, right? Yeah. I think a lot

[36:31] of it won't be remembered, but I think

[36:33] like 90% of the stuff, maybe 85 that

[36:37] comes before Doomsday and Secret Wars

[36:40] will still be considered like fully part

[36:42] of the cannon. It'll be referenced like

[36:44] I think Thunderbolts will still be a

[36:46] very important movie going for like to

[36:48] look back on like things that setting up

[36:50] like I think a lot of what they're doing

[36:52] with Valentina and the DODC that they

[36:55] aren't waiting to do all that setup in

[36:57] the mutant saga. They're just like going

[36:59] ahead and doing it. And it's going to I

[37:01] think it's going to have a through line

[37:03] even post Secret Wars. I don't think

[37:05] Secret Wars it's going to be oh complete

[37:07] boom start. We're starting over. We got

[37:09] to rebuild from scratch. That they're

[37:11] still going to they're still building

[37:12] like their house of cards. I think pre

[37:14] doomsday. So it'll still matter.

[37:16] >> It's nice to see them doing that now

[37:18] because I felt like the multiverse saga

[37:20] was either full speed ahead or

[37:22] completely just building the first layer

[37:24] of a house of cards. You know, like the

[37:26] first layering layer before you stuck.

[37:29] Yeah, that's what I feel like

[37:31] was because it never built to anything.

[37:33] It just was the flat

[37:35] >> stuff and some of it's really well put

[37:37] together, don't get me wrong. And then

[37:39] parts of it like Thor, Love, and Thunder

[37:40] are already falling down over there.

[37:42] Okay, that's a House of Cards metaphor

[37:43] that I can't stretch anymore. I'll I'll

[37:45] tell you the one thing I think would be

[37:46] a great idea. This is a great indicator,

[37:48] and I'm stealing this from something.

[37:50] Let's say Thunderbolts like, okay,

[37:52] Secret Wars, they wake up. Uh, oh, what

[37:54] happened? Blah blah blah. We've seen

[37:55] this in like Crisis on Open Earth issue

[37:58] 12. Same same kind of thing. Uh, one of

[38:00] them's walking down the hall and then

[38:01] they see a worker who works in the

[38:03] building and it's Maria Hill. Just do

[38:05] that. If you bring back Maria Hill, like

[38:07] they brought back Scott and Jean at the

[38:09] end of Days of Future Past, you're

[38:11] basically saying Secret Invasion didn't

[38:13] happen.

[38:14] >> Yeah.

[38:15] >> Other bad things didn't happen and don't

[38:18] worry about it. It's like Austin and

[38:19] Basil Exposition looking at the camera

[38:21] and saying, "Don't worry, we got you.

[38:23] This is exciting. You're gonna figure

[38:25] things out as you go.

[38:26] >> Does that mean Talos can come back too?

[38:28] Can he be like

[38:30] >> I do hope so. Ever so much.

[38:32] >> Please. I'll be good.

[38:34] >> He's going to play Dr. Doom.

[38:36] >> They're going to kiss.

[38:37] >> He would have meant he wanted to play

[38:41] it.

[38:42] >> Meno.

[38:42] >> He talked so passionately about Dr. Doom

[38:45] in that interview. Like

[38:47] >> he should have played him. He really I

[38:49] mean if they actually did Yeah. if they

[38:52] actually did this the right way.

[38:54] >> I don't know. Instead, I mean, I haven't

[38:56] seen the movie yet. I don't know if

[38:57] they're doing it the right way or not.

[38:59] It just kind of occurs to me that

[39:00] >> I don't know. Dr. Doom appearing in a

[39:02] Fantastic 4 movie and being slowly built

[39:04] up over an entire saga instead of

[39:05] brought at the last minute and replacing

[39:07] another villain with him with no buildup

[39:08] whatsoever might not be the best way to

[39:10] do it.

[39:11] >> You haven't seen Doomsday yet?

[39:13] >> It's on Twitter.

[39:13] >> Oh, did you? [laughter]

[39:16] >> The whole thing.

[39:17] >> Isn't everything?

[39:19] >> Um, yeah. Yeah. So, what do you guys

[39:20] think apart from that? Like, do you

[39:22] think that this is going to kickstart

[39:23] people distrusting mutants? And why do

[39:26] you think the Punisher is immune to the

[39:27] mind control too? We see it doesn't

[39:28] affect him in the in the trailer either.

[39:30] >> I like the theory that was in the show

[39:32] notes, which is like his brain is just a

[39:34] house of horror. So, anyone trying to

[39:36] enter [laughter]

[39:38] No.

[39:39] >> Oh, god. No.

[39:41] >> Yeah. What happened to the Punisher when

[39:42] the void was uh happening in New York?

[39:45] Can you imagine that? The Punisher

[39:47] >> on the beach with Nick Fury, baby. Yeah.

[39:49] [laughter]

[39:51] >> Yeah. No, for him it was nothing. That

[39:52] was like light compared to what he

[39:54] normally puts himself through.

[39:55] >> I don't know that he's immune to it as

[39:57] much as I think maybe they're actively

[39:59] not freezing him

[40:01] >> like

[40:02] >> I think he's immune to it. I I don't

[40:04] know. I think that there's it could be

[40:05] if it's directed if it is created by Gan

[40:07] Gray, for example, which the trailer

[40:09] makes it seem like it's not, but if Gene

[40:11] is doing that that big wide thing and

[40:13] freezing everyone, maybe she's sparing

[40:14] the Punisher. Um, it could also be that

[40:17] I don't know, Peter, you can say, well,

[40:19] he mutated, right? He's his evolutionary

[40:22] step has gone forward a little bit.

[40:24] >> Yeah, they say he's immune to it. Yeah,

[40:27] you're the only

[40:28] >> Maybe Jean his head at one point and in

[40:31] and doing that, she protects him. I

[40:33] don't know.

[40:34] >> There's a thing that happened on the

[40:36] press tour uh where Tom Holland said one

[40:40] person remembers that he's Spider-Man,

[40:43] right? and he may have given too much

[40:45] away. But who do you think that is?

[40:47] >> I think that's Jean. I think that's just

[40:49] Gan because she can read minds. And I

[40:52] think that maybe she inadvertently

[40:53] discovers that he is Spider-Man and then

[40:55] she's like, I know your secret.

[40:57] >> I think she's not read I think she's not

[40:59] susceptible to that type of spell.

[41:03] >> Yeah. Being a telepath, I think she is

[41:05] not

[41:07] her mind is fortified. As Wong says,

[41:10] fortify your mind.

[41:12] There's also, you know, Gene and the

[41:14] Phoenix, it gets weird um because it's

[41:16] moved back and forth so much, but like

[41:18] originally it was a cosmic entity that

[41:20] possessed her, then it was a cosmic

[41:22] entity that replaced her, and then years

[41:24] later they were like, "Oh, no, it's

[41:25] actually a cosmic entity that's buried

[41:27] within her at all times,

[41:29] >> which is basically what they did in

[41:30] X-Men 3." So, it could also be that she

[41:32] is somehow tapped into a greater cosmic

[41:35] force, which would kind of excuse the

[41:37] magic part of it. You know what I mean?

[41:38] Like she was immune to magic because of

[41:40] that. I'd say Hulk like in the comics,

[41:42] but they never established Hulk meeting

[41:46] Peter in the MCU. Really? Yeah. So,

[41:50] >> I guess he could have known.

[41:52] >> Yeah. If he was like in the trunk,

[41:54] >> Tony wouldn't have

[41:56] >> Well, maybe Tony would

[42:00] Bruce, but not Hulk.

[42:01] >> Yeah, Bruce would have known. Yeah.

[42:03] >> Yeah. Bruce would have known

[42:05] because I mean they were like they were

[42:06] at the funeral together. Obviously they

[42:08] that's what always gets me is when

[42:10] people are like no Steve Rogers never

[42:12] knew Peter Park. I'm like they are

[42:13] standing right next to each other at the

[42:15] funeral. Just because they didn't show

[42:16] them talking on screen doesn't mean they

[42:18] did.

[42:19] >> Anyway,

[42:20] >> they did talk. Where you from?

[42:21] >> Yeah, they fought at the airport queens.

[42:23] >> Oh, but that's Yes. In Civil War. Yeah.

[42:26] Yeah. But

[42:27] >> but as far as the Hulk goes, um even if

[42:30] they didn't talk at the funeral, Tony

[42:33] would have known Tony like has opened up

[42:35] to Bruce before. He thought he was his

[42:36] therapist in Iron Man 3. I could

[42:38] definitely see him like kind of reeling

[42:40] and confiding in Bruce at some point

[42:42] like, "Yeah, I got this kid killed."

[42:44] >> Tony was going to put Peter in the

[42:47] Avengers. You think he didn't like

[42:49] inform the other Avengers like, "Hey,

[42:51] there's this kid Peter Parker. Here are

[42:53] his powers. He's really great. Anybody

[42:55] opposed

[42:57] thoughts?" Like,

[42:58] >> and Hulk was off world at that time,

[43:00] though.

[43:01] >> Yeah,

[43:02] >> that's also true. But we do know that

[43:04] during in the gap, the five-year gap

[43:06] between Endgame, Infinity War, and

[43:07] Endgame, that Tony gave Bruce an island

[43:10] and helped them set up a lab. So, they

[43:12] would have had a lot of

[43:13] >> Totally would have learned. Yeah.

[43:14] >> Right. Right. Right. A lot of cool

[43:16] downtime happens in that island. And I

[43:18] Yeah. You know, guys, She-Hulk isn't

[43:20] perfect. Like, the ending, I think, is

[43:22] kind of wonky, even though it's

[43:22] hilarious, but boy, watching her like

[43:25] pump the Hulk for information about

[43:27] Steve Rogers virginity, that holds up.

[43:29] That whole that might be the best

[43:31] postredit scene in any MCU show.

[43:33] >> That show's great. I don't care what

[43:35] anybody says. I like that show.

[43:36] >> I like for the most I don't like what

[43:38] they did to my crew and the abomination

[43:40] and um

[43:42] >> yeah and apparently great views on

[43:44] >> could have been better.

[43:45] >> Disney Plus too.

[43:46] >> The show itself overall is great.

[43:49] >> I want to get to what Alex Perez

[43:51] recently said in a long tweet where he

[43:53] talked about upcoming projects. This is

[43:55] really exciting. I do want to just get

[43:58] to some of these super chats first. Um,

[44:00] there's some good ones in here. Spaceman

[44:01] Texas gave us two bucks and said, "Do we

[44:02] see the new Spider suit teaser UK Sony?"

[44:05] I did watch it. It's pretty great. Have

[44:07] you guys seen that?

[44:08] >> Is it the one where he says it's

[44:09] inspired by Toby and Andrews suits?

[44:12] >> Oh, yes.

[44:13] >> It's like a featurette where they talk

[44:14] about how they designed it and it makes

[44:15] sense that he's like, "Yeah, we took

[44:16] elements from both because Peter would

[44:17] have been influenced by that."

[44:19] Um, Johnny Mash Potato said just leaked

[44:22] the alien language and disclosure day

[44:24] translates to FJ Jared

[44:26] >> Leto.

[44:28] >> He's the internet's he's like the Roman

[44:30] Reigns of the real world. People hate

[44:32] that guy. It's hilarious. Dave, Dave M

[44:36] gave us five bucks and said, "I hope

[44:38] since this seems to follow the Neogenic

[44:40] Nightmare from the animated series,

[44:41] which Colton called way before anybody

[44:44] else I know on the internet, uh, since

[44:46] it follows the Neogenic nightmare, the

[44:47] villain is a mutant and a revamped

[44:49] chameleon who jumps from person to

[44:51] person. That's fun.

[44:54] >> I'm not going to say I think I know."

[44:56] Holland said in a recent interview, "The

[44:58] villain is still a secret that we don't

[45:00] know." Yes.

[45:01] >> And I I I think I know, but I'm not

[45:03] gonna say it here. You have

[45:06] >> from that era.

[45:06] >> There's a leak out there that might be

[45:08] accurate that I won't share on the

[45:09] channel

[45:10] >> because I don't like to do that to

[45:11] people. I think if you want to find the

[45:12] leak, you can go find it yourself. And

[45:14] you don't we talk rumors, not leaks.

[45:16] Like if I think something is like

[45:18] >> like the plot of Doomsday has leaked and

[45:20] we're not going to talk about it on

[45:21] here.

[45:21] >> The big actor uh and I'm sorry that I'm

[45:24] forgetting his name right now. Something

[45:26] David um that is voicing

[45:29] >> David

[45:31] So Keith Keith David's character in this

[45:34] we believe is going to be the jackal,

[45:36] right?

[45:36] >> I thought so.

[45:37] >> Or or just a Yeah. Or the villain.

[45:39] >> What level of like involvement he has in

[45:43] it? I mean, if Tom Holland saying

[45:45] there's still a secret villain out

[45:47] there, we know that Keith David's in

[45:48] this movie. We believe that he's playing

[45:51] the Jackal. The movie seems to be about

[45:53] some type of genetic mutation that's

[45:55] happening to Spider-Man. Maybe he starts

[45:57] the movie thinking that it is just like

[45:59] a natural thing and then he comes to

[46:01] find out it's something that was done to

[46:02] him.

[46:03] >> I love that because that's what Miles

[46:05] Warren the Jackal does. He's always

[46:06] screwing with Peter's DNA and cloning

[46:08] him and [ __ ]

[46:09] >> And also my only request is we're gonna

[46:12] have the Jackal in this movie. I want

[46:14] Allison Janney to appear and do the

[46:17] Jackal

[46:18] >> from the West.

[46:20] >> What am I saying? She's already in this

[46:22] movie. She's Jonah Jameson. What am I

[46:24] talking This is he. Yeah, he can

[46:26] transfer

[46:26] >> also develop mind topping powers when

[46:29] >> he can transfer his consciousness. Well,

[46:30] it's not powers. He does it through the

[46:33] power of science. He he transfers he

[46:35] attempts to transfer his consciousness

[46:37] into Peter.

[46:39] I I haven't read the clone sag.

[46:40] >> Well, I guess that No, but he does No,

[46:42] but he does that genetically though.

[46:43] It's not like it's a a power that he has

[46:45] to like hook him up to machines and

[46:46] [ __ ] doesn't he? In the clone.

[46:48] >> That's what That's what I'm saying is

[46:49] that but I'm saying he does

[46:50] consciousness transfer and that this

[46:52] could be an adaptation. And I think in

[46:54] Brand New Day where maybe Jack is using

[46:56] >> Jean's powers to do that. Yeah.

[46:59] >> You know though, I had forgotten that

[47:00] was his goal in the clone saga. That's

[47:02] like at the very end when he's going to

[47:03] transfer his consciousness into Peter.

[47:05] You're right. We do a whole video on the

[47:06] clone saga. Imagine that. Jesus. God.

[47:08] What?

[47:09] >> God. I can you say that?

[47:10] >> I have my Scarlet Spider costume ready

[47:12] to go.

[47:13] >> What? Mike,

[47:14] >> I said I I have my Scarlet Spider

[47:15] costume ready to go. Remember last

[47:17] Halloween I sent you a picture of me

[47:18] dressed up?

[47:19] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, we can do a

[47:21] video. Let's do it.

[47:25] Uh, Arman gave us five pounds and said,

[47:27] "I've seen every Spider-Man movie in

[47:29] theaters with my dad. Even the Remy

[47:31] films had reruns in the shitty 480p

[47:33] Pakistani theater." Uh, my first film,

[47:35] my first Spider-Man was Amazing

[47:37] Spider-Man, too. That's awesome.

[47:39] >> What What was everybody Oh, that's a

[47:41] dumb. Never mind. I was going to say,

[47:42] what was everybody's first Spider-Man?

[47:44] But you're all Yeah. Mine, too. We're

[47:45] old. We're old. Yeah.

[47:48] >> Yeah.

[47:48] >> Yeah. I was when it came out.

[47:51] >> That was my first movie.

[47:53] Really?

[47:54] >> Really?

[47:54] >> My mom took me when I was five. Yeah.

[47:56] >> Wow.

[47:57] >> I was 22, but there's a moment in that

[48:00] movie that turned me into a kid again.

[48:01] And this doesn't happen very often in

[48:03] art, especially when you're an adult.

[48:04] Like, I can think of a couple plays that

[48:05] I saw where I got completely sucked in

[48:07] and forgot I was watching a play. Uh the

[48:09] moment in that movie where Green Goblin

[48:12] is he's, you know, it's at the Roosevelt

[48:15] they're on Roosevelt Island. They're

[48:17] over at the old orphanage ward and

[48:18] stuff. And he's he says, "After I kill

[48:20] you, I'm going to kill AMA. I'm gonna

[48:22] kill Mary Jane. And I genuinely, as a

[48:24] 22-year-old adult, thought,

[48:27] >> "Oh my god, the Green Goblin's gonna

[48:29] kill Mary Jane and Aunt May." Like, I I

[48:31] was so sucked into the movie and that

[48:33] experience of like observing a comic

[48:35] book. I was really scared in that

[48:37] moment. And then, of course,

[48:38] >> you know, front brain kicked in and I

[48:40] went,

[48:40] >> "You're you're you can go buy liquor

[48:43] right now if you want. Why are you

[48:45] [laughter] worried about this? This is

[48:47] ridiculous." Uh, but yeah, that really

[48:49] hit me hard. Now, here's from Down Under

[48:51] from Australia gave us $15 and said, "I

[48:53] have questions about the TV spot," which

[48:55] I thought was what we just watched, but

[48:57] listen to these questions. Did you see

[48:58] the Stark Tech logo on the inhibitor?

[49:01] Why is MJ in the graveyard? What is the

[49:03] injection into Spider-Man's arm? And can

[49:05] we start a GoFundMe for Doug's Bale?

[49:08] >> I saw that still. I saw a still of MJ

[49:11] standing in a graveyard. I think they're

[49:12] starting to release a lot of TV spots.

[49:14] Yeah,

[49:15] >> I I also saw a Peter doing the the the

[49:18] web tornado and it's like a shot like

[49:21] this. It's like from an angle where the

[49:23] camera's under him. So maybe that's from

[49:25] a TV spot as well or like

[49:27] >> you know they do different cuts of

[49:28] trailers for different markets like

[49:30] international markets. So maybe there's

[49:31] that.

[49:33] >> We got to break these trailers down. I

[49:34] had I had no idea. I was going all day

[49:36] yesterday so I had no idea that like I

[49:38] was totally in Supergirl world. Um so I

[49:41] don't know. Phil Rumba I

[49:43] >> Doug's bail is currently set at $5

[49:45] million. So if I can't say what he's

[49:49] been charged with, but that should tell

[49:51] you

[49:52] >> what currency because is it five million

[49:55] people

[49:55] >> dollar?

[49:58] [laughter]

[50:00] >> Depending on the strength of the yen, we

[50:02] should have them out in a couple of

[50:03] minutes. Okay. Uh Gio Kais gave us five

[50:06] euros. Sorry, I don't know how to say

[50:08] the last name. Uh, Pizza Papa.

[50:10] [laughter]

[50:11] Pizza Papa remembers Peter because Pizza

[50:14] Papa always remembers.

[50:17] >> Man, that is just just an excellent call

[50:21] back to another Remy connection. That's

[50:23] great.

[50:24] >> How have they not brought back Mr.

[50:25] Dinkovich?

[50:27] >> Like even at the end of No Way Home when

[50:29] they have the landlord say off camera,

[50:32] "Rents due on the on the first, don't be

[50:34] late." I'm like, "How did you get this?"

[50:37] That's what it could have been.

[50:38] Dinkovich otherwise it's a distraction

[50:40] if he's in the scene. But yeah,

[50:43] >> god it would have been so good.

[50:44] >> I know. Glow catsy says for five. Why

[50:48] are we not talking about Peter fighting

[50:49] with his mask off since we know how

[50:51] important his identity and the spell is

[50:52] for Spidey? Is he going to kill the

[50:54] hand? Why does he take his mask off? Or

[50:56] does he take his mask off?

[50:58] >> They probably take his mask off.

[50:59] >> I don't think the hand

[51:00] >> they take his mask off. But I wonder if

[51:02] it's also like Thor's eye patch, you

[51:04] know, like where they digitally had the

[51:06] um they took his eye patch out in the

[51:08] Ragnarok trailer, you know, or no, they

[51:10] put the eye patch on. So I wonder if

[51:12] like

[51:13] >> in that scene if they did film him with

[51:15] his mask off for that eyeball shot where

[51:17] you see his eye change,

[51:18] >> but he's not actually wearing the mask

[51:20] in the scene. I don't know.

[51:22] >> They definitely had asked him, but the

[51:24] question is

[51:25] >> concerned about the hand knowing who he

[51:27] is. A prison is likely full of cameras.

[51:29] So yeah, I I get what you're saying.

[51:33] >> Unless there's like an E impulse or

[51:35] something, but he's right. That's a

[51:36] really great point.

[51:37] >> You guys think the hand of the

[51:39] >> will kill Peter and then go kill MJ?

[51:43] >> No, I it's not going to pull me in that

[51:45] much.

[51:46] >> Um, we also got Raul Gonzalez gave us $5

[51:49] and says, "Spidey trying to get MJ and

[51:50] Ned to remember just for everyone to get

[51:52] their minds wiped again in Doomsday.

[51:54] Will they be in [laughter] Doom and

[51:57] Secret Wars?

[51:59] >> Sorry, I didn't hear the end. What was

[52:00] the end?

[52:01] >> No. Will they be in Doomsday and Secret

[52:03] Wars? Ah, man. They're going to

[52:04] remember. They'll remember him. It's

[52:07] It's the same thing in the comics when

[52:08] Doctor Strange has a similar spell where

[52:12] people can't know that Peter Parker's

[52:13] Spider-Man, but then there's this thing

[52:15] where everybody in Manhattan gets spider

[52:16] powers, so Spider-Man websings

[52:18] throughout the island. So, or sorry,

[52:20] Peter Parker does. And after that

[52:21] happens, it's people are capable of

[52:24] remembering if he tells them, you know,

[52:26] like if if they can they can then work

[52:28] it out. It like kind of shatters the

[52:29] spell. So I definitely think that at

[52:31] least for them, their mind's not going

[52:34] to get wiped everything. But

[52:35] >> it's still a tragedy though if they

[52:36] don't have their memories of their

[52:38] friendship with Peter in high school,

[52:40] though. It's like if they just suddenly

[52:42] can link together like, oh, cuz like

[52:45] they don't know who Peter Parker is,

[52:46] right? Like that's the baby.

[52:48] >> Well, that's the thing. I think that

[52:49] when he tells them they remember

[52:51] everything

[52:52] >> just like in really the comics like yeah

[52:54] like there's a couple instances of this

[52:56] when um uh Daredevil does the same thing

[52:59] and like kind of mind wipes the purple

[53:01] man mind wipes and Kingpin finds out

[53:02] Kingpin has to discover oh I used to

[53:04] know the whole time but when people

[53:06] rediscover Spider-Man's identity they

[53:08] remember like it's the whole

[53:10] >> I like that I don't like the idea of

[53:12] them like continuing their relationship

[53:15] after Peter's like yeah I'm I'm

[53:17] Spider-Man we knew each other blah blah

[53:18] blah and they just still don't remember.

[53:21] But why don't you keep it? That would be

[53:23] weird. Yeah,

[53:25] >> I definitely think he freaks them out.

[53:26] There's a thing in the trailer where Ned

[53:28] is like, "Wait, you guys haven't met?"

[53:29] And I think that that

[53:30] >> Well, and they're obviously still so

[53:32] drawn to him. Like, she's still wearing

[53:33] the necklace he gave her. And Ned is

[53:36] obsessed with Spider-Man. So, they still

[53:38] remember like a lot. And there's just

[53:40] like something I feel like there's just

[53:42] like this thin film that represents the

[53:45] spell that's like right there that just

[53:48] if you tear at it a little it Yeah. come

[53:50] flowing through.

[53:51] >> It's reme.

[53:53] >> Yeah.

[53:54] >> Yeah. Yeah. You're right.

[53:55] >> Yeah. Thin candy show.

[53:57] >> Uh Gavin Mohan gave us

[54:01] >> Gavin Mohan gave us $10 and said, "What

[54:04] I think it should be is Martin Lee, Mr.

[54:06] Negative, is the secret villain behind

[54:08] the curtain." which mind control powers.

[54:10] That's Mr. Negative using his corruption

[54:12] powers to control Gan and change the

[54:14] Hulk. I love this. He can also be the

[54:16] new leader of the hand to get them

[54:17] involved.

[54:19] >> Every time I hear a lot of dots,

[54:21] >> every time I hear behind the curtain, I

[54:23] just think of that frame from Wizard of

[54:24] Oz.

[54:26] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. [laughter]

[54:28] >> But he was Mr.

[54:29] >> That's a lot of dots in a really organic

[54:31] way. Who's Mr. Maybe that's why the Hulk

[54:34] is gray cuz he's in like black and white

[54:37] kind of.

[54:37] >> Could be.

[54:38] >> No, no, no.

[54:39] >> Which is like not really how Mr.

[54:41] Negative typically makes people look,

[54:43] but like it's close.

[54:45] >> The Hulk is gray because Jean Gray

[54:47] mutant gan

[54:51] because

[54:53] >> which came from Jean or the Hulk?

[54:56] >> We've got Saturday.

[54:58] >> The pizza papa comment by the way

[55:00] belonged to Ric Flair's hairs. I got

[55:01] that mixed up. And Loving Life A2Z gave

[55:03] us $5 and said, "Just finding out I'm

[55:05] late to the game, but I love seeing

[55:07] Tommy B on SC. Looking great, Tommy. You

[55:10] do look really good, Tommy. Love the

[55:11] glasses and haircut. Play my graphic."

[55:15] >> Yeah.

[55:16] >> Oh, yeah. That's a That's a call back to

[55:18] an old organization we sh not name on

[55:21] this channel.

[55:22] >> Ah, I got you. I got you.

[55:24] >> It's your own break. Okay. Um,

[55:26] >> moving on. Let's talk about We don't

[55:28] have much, but Alex Perez

[55:31] one company to the other. He's still

[55:33] Tommy, but he can't use his signature

[55:34] moves.

[55:35] >> Yeah, I can't use my old entrance music

[55:36] and I can't say the words [laughter]

[55:38] mandatory fun ever in the sentence, but

[55:40] I can talk about Spider-Man.

[55:44] >> Alex Perez uh recently tweeted um he

[55:47] said, "I kind of want to get the

[55:48] multiverse saga over with. I want to

[55:50] talk about mutants, the Shadow King and

[55:54] Mr. Sinister, which makes me think, are

[55:55] they the next villains for the X-Men?

[55:57] the Novaore who they've been teasing the

[56:00] Novaore for years or like implying they

[56:02] would be there. First scene obviously

[56:04] Thanos destroying

[56:05] >> Xandar.

[56:07] >> Um the symbiate which you know I'm sure

[56:10] Peter will get the symbiot in Secret

[56:11] Wars and maybe we already had a hint for

[56:13] this in this episode.

[56:16] >> The Maggie of Crime Lords Electra which

[56:18] you know Electra um is going to appear

[56:21] in Daredevil season 3. Why are the hand

[56:24] after Peter if Electra seems like it's

[56:26] all too much of a coincidence? Uh

[56:28] Bullseye, what he's up to, the

[56:31] Thunderbolts 2.0, Eternals and

[56:34] Celestials. Are we ever going to get the

[56:35] Eternals followup? And uh the comic book

[56:37] Judgment Day, which is interesting that

[56:40] he brought this up because Judgement Day

[56:41] is a 2022 Marvel comics event where the

[56:43] Celestials pass judgment on all of the

[56:45] Eternals, X-Men, and Avengers. And maybe

[56:47] that's the big bad at the end of secret

[56:50] at like for the next saga, the mutant

[56:52] saga, which could then bring in the

[56:53] Phoenix, and also would make the

[56:54] Eternals [ __ ] matter.

[56:57] >> Of that list, I just want to hear before

[56:59] we go, what are you guys excited about?

[57:01] Is there anything that really gets the

[57:02] back of your mind creative impulse?

[57:04] >> If they could use the Shadow King and

[57:08] pull in some elements of Legion, that

[57:11] would be so great. I

[57:12] >> Legion has no [ __ ] excuse to be that

[57:15] good. It is such a great show.

[57:17] >> Oh, it's so good.

[57:18] >> I'm just excited for an X-Men villain

[57:20] that isn't Magneto. And I love Magneto

[57:24] or or Apocalypse or Striker. Like like

[57:27] they have so many cool villains. Yeah.

[57:29] >> I wish they would redo Age of

[57:31] Apocalypse. And they might, you know,

[57:33] like a decade from now. But

[57:35] >> look at the actual Age of Apocalypse. If

[57:37] you're going to do alternate universe

[57:38] multiverse stories, do the alternate

[57:40] timeline where he won.

[57:41] >> Yeah. And I think that's probably the

[57:42] next

[57:44] >> Secret Wars like the 10 years from now

[57:46] when they do the next giant event, giant

[57:48] Marvel event apocalypse. Yeah.

[57:51] >> Do you think like comic accurate age of

[57:53] apocalypse where it's like a divergent

[57:55] timeline because of time travel and

[57:56] stuff?

[57:57] >> I think the multiverse saga

[57:59] >> the stuff that they laid groundwork for

[58:01] Kang in um uh Moonnight. Remember how

[58:04] they had like the images of Kang and

[58:06] stuff? They reccon all that stuff to be

[58:08] apocalypse.

[58:09] >> Could be. We might even get Moonnight

[58:12] season 2 someday. I mean, they got a

[58:13] great setup.

[58:13] >> I love Moonnight season 2.

[58:16] >> I personally

[58:18] um

[58:19] >> looking at this list,

[58:21] >> I still think the Eternals had a great

[58:22] setup and it definitely deserved

[58:24] something else. I think some of these

[58:25] are definitely going to happen like the

[58:27] symbiate. I just think Marvel is done

[58:29] keeping their big [ __ ] on the bench

[58:31] right now. I think they need to bring

[58:32] out all the big guns. We need Venom. We

[58:34] need the mutants. We got to get all

[58:37] whatever Sony wants in the next deal

[58:38] with Marvel, Marvel will pay it. I think

[58:40] that they really want to rebuild and

[58:42] earn the trust of fans back.

[58:44] >> I want a good representation of Venom. I

[58:46] am utterly disappointed with every movie

[58:48] version of Venom that we have ever

[58:50] gotten. I'm not a fan of Tom Hardy. Come

[58:52] at me. I don't care. I hated the Venom

[58:54] movies. I thought they were really bad.

[58:56] And obviously the Toeer Grace one at

[58:58] Spider-Man 3 also really disappointing.

[59:00] Give us a good legitimate MCU Venom,

[59:03] please. Hey man, I there's about 10

[59:05] minutes in Venom that I really enjoyed

[59:08] when the sent [laughter] first bombs

[59:10] with him and he says that he was a loser

[59:11] on his planet.

[59:13] >> They had me for that little bit and had

[59:15] me right there.

[59:16] >> I love the first one.

[59:17] >> The other two suck, but

[59:19] >> the other two thing is do why I I hated

[59:23] back in the comics like Venom was cool

[59:25] as [ __ ] or because he appeared

[59:29] maybe maybe once every 18 months for his

[59:32] first few appearances. because they were

[59:33] really careful to not overuse him. He

[59:35] was always this person who you really

[59:38] felt like Spider-Man was screwed when

[59:39] Venom showed up. He had all these

[59:41] advantages over Spider-Man that no other

[59:43] villain had. He knew his secret

[59:45] identity. He was stronger than him. He

[59:47] could his Spider-Man spider sense

[59:49] detects. Yeah,

[59:51] >> exactly. So, there were all these

[59:52] different things. Loving Love and Life

[59:54] A2Z gave us $2 and said, "PG, I'll

[59:56] always be a Tommy B original in my

[59:58] heart." And Rick Taylor gave us $2 and

[1:00:00] said, "Hulk versus beast." That would

[1:00:01] also be very cool, especially if we're

[1:00:02] talking about the hands beast.

[1:00:04] >> But the point is that they um

[1:00:08] >> that Venom was cool because he was

[1:00:09] underused. And then at a certain point,

[1:00:11] Marvel, you know, which had been given

[1:00:12] this mandate to grow, grow grow. They

[1:00:14] were trying to like they were buying toy

[1:00:16] companies and Pog companies and all this

[1:00:17] other [ __ ] They had a mandate, okay, we

[1:00:19] got a spin-off. We got to have new

[1:00:20] characters. They were trying to

[1:00:21] basically push every other comic off the

[1:00:24] shelves in comic book shops back when

[1:00:26] that kind of thing mattered. And they

[1:00:28] turned villain Venom into

[1:00:31] a lethal protector and then he got like

[1:00:33] a series of limited series so they could

[1:00:36] always sell in issue number one. They

[1:00:37] were always foiled and they sucked. I

[1:00:39] never ever thought Venom worked. There

[1:00:41] was some really good work done later on

[1:00:43] that dove into like Eddie's past and him

[1:00:45] redeeming himself. But for me, he just

[1:00:48] always works better as a guy who just

[1:00:50] hates Spider-Man

[1:00:52] >> and that's his defining characteristic

[1:00:54] along with his psychosis of having a

[1:00:55] dual like he's a he speaks in the

[1:00:57] plural. But again, there's been some

[1:00:59] great work. You know, we've covered it.

[1:01:00] We did a great video, a history of

[1:01:02] Venom, that was really, really good and

[1:01:04] dove into a lot of stuff later on. But

[1:01:06] for me, that's the Venom stuff I want in

[1:01:08] the movies. I don't want to skip

[1:01:09] straight

[1:01:10] >> Why didn't they put Toe for Grace's

[1:01:12] Venom in Spider-Man No Way Home, by the

[1:01:14] way.

[1:01:15] >> Sky, I'm sure he was one of the people

[1:01:17] in the sky.

[1:01:18] >> For that matter,

[1:01:19] >> all the Spider-Man Noir villains, I

[1:01:21] guess, should have been there. Or no,

[1:01:22] because they didn't know him as Peter

[1:01:24] Parker. They knew that he was Spider-Man

[1:01:25] or that he was the

[1:01:26] >> Well, I mean, they only they only

[1:01:28] brought the ones in from those two

[1:01:29] universes, but he totally should have

[1:01:32] been there. We needed Toe for Grace

[1:01:34] Venom.

[1:01:34] >> Three universes cuz Venom,

[1:01:36] >> we needed Dane to Green Lant Green.

[1:01:40] >> But then we wouldn't have gotten that

[1:01:41] great joke when they were talking about

[1:01:42] villains they fought and he he brought

[1:01:44] up like the you know, I fought like some

[1:01:46] black goo from space. [laughter]

[1:01:49] >> That was one of my favorite scenes in

[1:01:50] that movie. All right, guys. We are

[1:01:51] going to have to sign off there, but

[1:01:52] this has been so much fun. I hope you

[1:01:54] guys have had fun watching us. Uh, and

[1:01:56] you got to watch us react to a

[1:01:57] Spider-Man trailer that none of us had

[1:01:58] seen,

[1:01:59] >> which was super cool. And I'm sure we're

[1:02:00] going to have other Spider-Man trailers

[1:02:01] to break down for you guys soon. Uh,

[1:02:04] [ __ ] Tommy, you got to go, man.

[1:02:06] >> Janet, put the katana down. I'll be

[1:02:08] right there. Guys, I got to get out of

[1:02:10] here. I'm so sorry.

[1:02:11] >> You can find Tommy's links below. Thanks

[1:02:12] so much, Mike. You can always find Mike

[1:02:14] at his uh Instagram. It's linked below.

[1:02:17] I gotta go bail uh Doug out of jail.

[1:02:20] Hey, Janet, grab that katana. Bring it

[1:02:22] with us. We're going to need it.

[1:02:24] All [laughter] right, talk to you later,

[1:02:24] Mike. Thank you. And Colton, you can

[1:02:27] find here on the channel all the time

[1:02:28] and on his own channel, which is linked

[1:02:29] below. Thanks, Colton.

[1:02:30] >> Thanks, Janet.

[1:02:32] >> And we want to hear from you guys. Let

[1:02:33] us know in the comments what you think

[1:02:35] about the trailers for Spider-Man: Brand

[1:02:37] New Day, which your theories on the

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