The Honest Truth About Growing As A Twitch Streamer. From someone who has done it!

[00:01] interesting question mad Revival how would you recommend a new Daisy streamer to grow considering it's quite saturated Market as is gaming as a whole on Twitch uh first off mad Revival I don't think it's any easier or harder now than it

[00:13] was in 2015 when I started and that might be really Broad and I might have is when I started in 2015 sacrile was playing the game and Mr moon was playing

[00:25] the game and Jam Jar was and keyway was and Mr blackout was and padado was and loyal Patriot was and I think minder was nearly partnered and there was there was twitch was much smaller the market is the market so

[00:41] Twitch in 2015 had just as much competition and it was just too hard to start as it is now you know I used to watch smack someone just mentioned smack I didn't even mention him just now there was also shrooms and way more there was

[00:53] loads of creators playing daisy then that don't now deadly sloth and many many others so it was really hard to grow then just the same as now but there twitch was less popular so the number of streamers matches the number of viewers

[01:09] now and there's very few people on Twitch that make it that do it like smoke did which is start streaming and gradually grow because you're an awesome dude with an epic eye for a game I for a shot and

[01:25] an adventure you know very few people grow from twitch from Twitch streaming like like smoke did most people that grow on Twitch started on another platform and came to Twitch so I I did YouTube I started in July of 2014. I

[01:40] didn't stream at all until March 2015. so when I first started streaming on Twitch I had 4 000 subscribers on YouTube and I'd learned to edit I put my time in I'd spent eight nine ten months editing and learning the game and

[01:54] streamed like I think I streamed in the January actually but I stream like once every three or four weeks something like that and then at the end of April 2015 I

[02:06] started streaming three times a week and I made it more of a common thing and it went really well but when I started streaming three times a week I was already getting 20 viewers maybe 30 viewers sometimes and and that was the

[02:19] thing that that really helped me if you want to grow on any platform whether it's YouTube or twitch you need to grow from outside of the source so a lot of hear the phrase uh twitch doesn't have an algorithm it's a king maker so if

[02:35] be the most popular and there are elements of Truth to that but twitch is a live platform and YouTube is a search engine you know so uh twitch isn't a king maker it didn't make a king it didn't make sqc a king or shroudy King

[02:50] shroud made shrouded King you know it didn't take anyone else to do it shroud and a little bit of luck along the way and stuff as well but they didn't get made a king by twitch that's absolute [ __ ] they did it themselves you know

[03:04] that like uh I don't know some it didn't get to be Summit through blind luck you know it wasn't just blind luck some it got to be something because of summit and twitch and other other things but if you're starting on Twitch now

[03:19] you need to be driving people here from other other places if you start just from twitch and you stream for three or four times a week you could be here for three months and you might still only yeah

[03:34] so the only way to grow is to drive people from other platforms by the way this might end up making it to YouTube it just feels a bit like a bit of a how to grow type thing maybe it'll go to YouTube I doubt it but so if you want to

[03:47] video today and it's 10 minutes long it's short it's sharp it's Snappy it's edited you can release that video and for the next three years people can be the latest gun that's just been released or a new section of the map or answering

[04:04] YouTube will will maybe make you fight you'll be found and you might grow a time you know being a search engine allows you to grow but the other thing

[04:18] that that happens growing on YouTube is you can go to areas where there are like-minded people like forums for example and and share your footage if you're interested in any topic on the planet whether it be a particular game

[04:30] or a particular hobby if you're into Airsoft you can go to where Airsoft people are sharing their videos hello sorry I'm deep into a big conversation with myself I've got to go

[04:46] I don't want anything I'm too busy right now sorry it might not have been but it sounded like him but yeah uh if if you go to a forum you can share

[05:01] your video you're like if you go to a if you go to the daisy Forum or the daisy ready and say hi Daisy redditors I'm streaming on Twitch come and watch me now I can't give you a reason but I just want some [ __ ] viewers you know

[05:13] you're not gonna get any viewers right but if you go to the daisy Reddit and say hi I played the game for six hours and I spent six hours editing a video everything's a six these days and now I've made this six minute video that

[05:25] time in would you mind having a look you know people are more likely to go with you're just asking someone to randomly watch your stream and giving them no

[05:39] views but if you're sharing a daisy video with like-minded people some are going to accuse you of spamming and some are going to get annoyed but you will watch it and because of that fact and because you

[05:56] put in the carrot in front of the donkey or in this case a daisy redditor rather than trying to whip them into watching your stream which doesn't work you can gain some traction you can gain some viewers you can grow a little bit

[06:09] saying that if you want to start streaming maybe it's better to start streaming on YouTube is any better YouTube is much better for video content

[06:21] so if you want to grow the honest truth and this is a very long way about it is you can't just start on the platform and expect to grow it hardly ever happens it hardly ever happens so Devin Nash's figure on it he's a YouTuber that makes

[06:35] a lot of videos he's also runs agencies and he he's an agent for a lot of big he's talking about but his ratio is that for every 10 000 people that start streaming only five will make it uh to maybe have like a hundred years maybe

[06:51] they'll make it to partnership right not to it being a full-time job where they're gonna have sponsors and do amazingly well but make it to a point where they've maybe got a tick symbol in 100 views you know not many people do it

[07:04] one in two thousand people might do that I'm now red thirst as well and I just carry on with the uh the thing so it's incredibly hard to grow off off your own

[07:17] back in that way it can be done but you've got to be incredibly unique and you've got to do something incredibly different because very few people are down at the bottom on people with one View and trying to start a snowball that

[07:29] starts from the top of the mountain as a speck of dust and ends at the bottom as a great big [ __ ] Avalanche it's really hard when you're at the top of the top of the mountain is the biggest people that have been doing the same

[07:42] content for years before you know you have to drive people to you and whether it was now and and this the market is oversaturated now and it's so much harder I'm afraid that's an excuse that's a that's a an excuse to

[07:55] put in front of you before you start because it's just the same now as it was then there are a lot more viewers but there's also more streamers uh it's just people are so quick to say oh there's an algorithm there's no algorithm it's just

[08:10] not fair twitch is a king maker twitch is a live platform what twitch wants to should I watch it wants to recommend you the people that hold the audience so if

[08:23] years chances are if they share them that person you might think oh okay this going somewhere else that's talking about Daisy you know but the point is

[08:37] that have already risen to the top because that's a good thing to start whereas YouTube being a search engine needs to recommend something that you're

[08:50] particularly asking for not many people just go to YouTube and just Spam escape from tarkov you know they'll go to YouTube and spam escape from tarkov best looking for right YouTube is not sorry twitch is not an

[09:06] algorithm twitch is a live streaming Port like uh platform and it needs to it works so yeah long and long and short but the

[09:19] you need to drive your viewers when you start from elsewhere and it was the same in 2015 when I started as it is now and it is possible look at twitch you know streaming just over a year but guess what he did YouTube for [ __ ] ages

[09:36] before he started streaming on Twitch you know uh he's put a lot of effort in he's done what he's not done is gone and seen a streamer with a few thousand he got food in his bag and he's not eating it

[09:51] he's started on YouTube and he's worked at Ed and he's learned something and that viewer base to Twitch and he's grown some here too you know and he's done great and well deserved and the content keeps getting better and other

[10:05] people have done that too in recent enough years you've had people like lacks and uh Ben fruit and one or two others you know that have they've been not easy to grow into the space but there is a market there's a market for

[10:20] offer something different or grow your your little start from elsewhere first and that's how you grow you know and that's what I did so I did exactly what

[10:32] I've just laid out for you I started on YouTube I I was playing daisy and I had some buddies that were uh playing daisy and one or two of them in absin and I am zany I remember in particular they may still well I don't

[10:45] think an absent does but as Annie still uploads to YouTube now but I'd be maybe I'd play on a Tuesday afternoon when I was off or whatever and I'd see have and they'd be like why didn't you record it you should put it to YouTube

[11:01] we could watch it as well you know I was like I don't want to do that maybe I could be a streamer but I don't want to do that and then I just thought I'll sod bit about editing and the interaction that it bred with viewers as they came

[11:16] into my videos you know and I kind of fell into streaming and fell into here I didn't plan it that way or anything but that's normally the way it is I don't kind of fall into it when they grow they gain a little bit of traction you know

[11:32] sniper big streamer and then you'll grow or your stream stalk a big stream and be Mr moon on YouTube you know there's a

[11:46] channel years ago where he was asked if he'd stream sniped uh Syndicate Tom Syndicate and he didn't exactly deny it let's just put it that way it's a bit

[11:58] ambiguous it didn't exactly deny you you know and Mr moon when he started on YouTube after he'd meet met Tom Syndicate who at the time was absolutely massive right he'd met him in game and he'd played the character Mr Moon and he

[12:10] was [ __ ] hilarious and everybody that was watching Syndicate loved Mr Moon so when Mr Moon released a video he had like 5 000 Subs in a week on YouTube now a week and a lot of people would say oh he just he just maybe maybe he stream

[12:27] stalked Tom Syndicate maybe he didn't I don't know but he grew really quick he did he did grow really quick in a week but he also was a very well prepared editor he was doing editing for a job I believe I don't know Mr moon but he had

[12:41] the basics he already knew it all you know he'd already done it all he had he making some of the best videos that had been around in DayZ when I'd been making

[12:54] videos for 10 months they were dog [ __ ] you know they were not good you know but hey so the only way to grow is to learn and and drive your viewership from

[13:07] YouTube and then cross cross it over to Twitch today and you stream five days a week you can wait another year and you'll

[13:20] bang their head against that wall and when it doesn't work out they start not everybody's trying to be really successful either you know some people

[13:32] are just happy to keep it as a hobby and they're not too concerned and that's then uh you can't just carry on turning up going live and hoping you've got to even now I'm I'm doing the best I can to release a video every week I've never

[13:48] where my income was twitch and YouTube was my problem you know making videos for YouTube was costing me money because my my living my my mortgage was being paid for by twitch and I was having to take time away from twitch to edit a

[14:03] video but I never stopped I've done I've done YouTube for eight years and that's because it's blatantly obvious that if you keep making YouTube videos you're platform that's harder to grow on you know like I've never stopped

[14:19] that's the way to go you know a lot of people that did YouTube switch to Twitch it's really hard to maintain if you don't do both

[14:32] and uh that's enough Spiel I think that that's so how you want to go on Twitch you can't do it on Twitch probably that that's how to do it so if this goes to YouTube sorry for the waffle thanks for watching I'm not Devin Nash goodbye love

[14:44] you bye the end