Ahmpy Does NOT Believe in our GNOME ONLY Molten Core

[00:00] MP. Sweet. I I wanted to pick your brain

[00:02] a bit because we have the gnome only

[00:04] molten core coming up on Thursday. We

[00:06] have a miracle. We have 39 signups. I

[00:09] can't believe it. So, it's actually

[00:10] going to happen. Um, but I would I

[00:13] wanted to I mean, I guess there's a

[00:15] couple things, but like we have we have

[00:17] an edges or two in our guild and I was

[00:19] trying to figure out if it's worth

[00:21] actually using them or if we are using

[00:22] them, who to put them on. Um, our

[00:25] warlocks are playing an imp build where

[00:29] we have low threat and rogues normally

[00:31] pull threat and mages normally pull

[00:32] threat. So, in terms of threat, it's

[00:34] like other warriors, which I'm really

[00:35] nervous about. And in terms of like

[00:38] metag game, our warriors are all kind of

[00:40] having to play deep pro just for

[00:42] effective HP. So, our threat is just

[00:44] like it's just a lot different than it

[00:46] would be in a normal raid. So, I I kind

[00:47] of want to hear your take on edges,

[00:49] where to use them or like strats and

[00:51] stuff like that.

[00:54] Um,

[00:56] I don't think you have to play deep

[00:57] brought, especially on main tank.

[00:59] >> Okay,

[00:59] >> you don't need to. You could probably

[01:01] play fury pro.

[01:03] >> Okay.

[01:04] >> Um, like if you So, like, I'm thinking

[01:06] about this. The the warriors are

[01:10] probably going to have threat problems.

[01:12] I turned them up as high as he can

[01:13] tanking,

[01:14] >> then it doesn't matter. Uh the edge

[01:16] masters

[01:18] if you go fury are much better for the

[01:20] fury tank, but if they're playing deep

[01:21] pro, they don't need it.

[01:24] >> That was kind of my thought process.

[01:26] They're playing

[01:26] >> mostly the biggest thing is offhand,

[01:29] right? It helps your off hand so much,

[01:30] >> right? Okay. I don't think we're going

[01:32] to have any warriors play deep or uh

[01:36] fury pro just cuz the shield I think we

[01:38] always want on for shield wall. Like so

[01:40] the the main tank is really only going

[01:43] to be tanking as long as shield walls up

[01:44] until we have another tank to take over.

[01:47] We have enough warriors for 100% shield

[01:49] wall up time. So the person taking hits

[01:52] should never be using an off hand is

[01:53] kind of my thought process. Does that

[01:56] make sense?

[01:57] >> Yeah, maybe. I mean,

[02:01] if you had a cracked healing set, you

[02:04] take like, I don't know, like 400 damage

[02:08] per second as a tank and like dual wheel

[02:11] on like a Magmodar or something. It's

[02:13] not too crazy. So,

[02:17] you might be fine. It would be scary,

[02:18] but you might be fine with a diamond

[02:20] flask to like last stand, open with dual

[02:23] wield, death wish, and then throw in a

[02:25] shield after like 20 seconds. And then

[02:27] that would that would help threat for

[02:29] the rest of the tanks,

[02:31] >> right? Because they can taunt off that

[02:32] threat lead.

[02:33] >> So I think that could be a play the one

[02:35] but only one probably. Uh the the cool

[02:38] thing about fury prot 2 is while they're

[02:40] not tanking.

[02:43] Like I like deep prot, but what are you

[02:45] actually getting for survivability? It's

[02:47] 6second shield wall, right? That's it.

[02:49] >> Well, the the extra shield wall is

[02:51] massive, but you can maybe make a fury

[02:52] prop build with it anyway. But my

[02:54] thought process is like every hit like

[02:57] so I'm just thinking about like

[02:58] effective HP, right? Every hit with a

[03:00] shield wand is going to be a little less

[03:01] which is like kind of like getting a

[03:03] little bit of a heal. So like I I don't

[03:06] know. My thought process was like we

[03:08] always want our the person tanking the

[03:10] boss with shield wall and a shield on

[03:13] and we're just kind of spamming taunt

[03:15] mocking blow AOE taunt into another

[03:17] taunt. to like threat. We're just

[03:18] spamming taunt and then we have a new

[03:21] warrior pick up and then do taunt,

[03:23] mocking blow, AOE taunt, normal taunt,

[03:24] and then a new tank pickup. So, we just

[03:26] we just don't take damage on our tank

[03:28] essentially. But maybe maybe you have a

[03:31] better idea.

[03:33] >> I mean, in arenas, you know that

[03:35] sometimes dealing damage is more

[03:36] defensive than trying to mitigate it.

[03:39] >> Yeah. Yeah, totally. Yeah. So, the way

[03:42] I'm thinking right now, I don't know if

[03:43] this is true,

[03:44] >> okay?

[03:45] >> But if you put your warriors

[03:49] in full tank gear with at least like

[03:51] maybe not like full omega tanky gear,

[03:53] but plates,

[03:55] stamina, strength type stuff,

[03:57] >> right? No leather shoulders and stuff.

[03:59] >> Yeah. Yeah. If you put them on fury pro,

[04:02] if if someone's job is to only tank for

[04:04] 18 seconds with shield wall, the rest of

[04:06] the time they're like not going to do

[04:08] anything as pro. So if you have like off

[04:10] tanks and fury pro, they would be able

[04:11] to dual wield for like 30 or 40 seconds,

[04:14] which would like double their DPS.

[04:16] >> That's true.

[04:16] >> So So you like if you have like five

[04:19] fury pro tanks dual wielding, you're

[04:21] you're creating 2.5 DPS out of thin air,

[04:24] >> right?

[04:25] >> So like

[04:26] >> good point.

[04:27] >> I think the shield wall deepro thing

[04:31] might be a little too conservative. I

[04:34] think I'd be concerned about DPS.

[04:37] >> Okay. be something like

[04:39] >> like uh

[04:40] >> I guess I didn't mention but like the

[04:43] plan is really to just kill Lucy like

[04:46] first and I I'm thinking that fight is

[04:48] going to be with 40 DPS. It's going to

[04:50] be like 20 seconds or something. Maybe

[04:52] 30 probably under 30, right? Um it

[04:58] should be fast. It's more like I just

[05:00] I'm trying not to have anyone die here,

[05:01] right?

[05:02] >> Yeah. I'd be most concerned for the MC's

[05:05] because you don't have any purge. Um,

[05:09] we have Fell Hunter Purge.

[05:11] >> Oh,

[05:13] >> yeah.

[05:14] >> Oh, you do?

[05:14] >> We have Fell Hunter Dispel for Magic.

[05:17] So, like the strat I was thinking of for

[05:20] for M or for Lucy is we have most of our

[05:23] locks play fell hunter and we we pry the

[05:27] shadow damage dispel on our tanks.

[05:29] Everyone else sips a restoot. So it

[05:32] takes off the curse and magic. And then

[05:35] we have mages, you know, dispelling,

[05:37] too. And we just pump.

[05:39] >> No, no, no, no. You got to wait. Is fell

[05:42] hunter an offensive

[05:44] dispel?

[05:46] >> It's both. It can be either one.

[05:49] >> You should use it to dispel the MC, not

[05:50] the shadow debuff.

[05:52] >> Okay. I mean, we we have a lot of locks.

[05:55] Like, we're going to have like 10 locks,

[05:56] I think.

[05:56] >> Yeah.

[05:57] >> Um, that's a good point. Okay. You need

[06:00] you need to dispel every 4 seconds. You

[06:02] need more than two people.

[06:03] >> Okay.

[06:03] >> I don't know what the cool down is.

[06:04] >> It's 8 seconds, I think.

[06:07] >> Okay. And then like I think the next

[06:10] thing was just like trash. I mean I

[06:12] don't know. Is there any destroyers on

[06:13] the way to Is there one I think?

[06:16] >> No, not on Lucy.

[06:17] >> Not on Lucy. Okay.

[06:19] >> You're just doing one boss.

[06:21] >> Well, I mean Okay, we're gonna go in

[06:23] with 40 gnomes. Uh, we won't not like

[06:25] Okay, let me How do I say this and be as

[06:28] respectful as possible? Like, not

[06:31] everyone's going to be level 60. We're

[06:32] going to have some 55s.

[06:33] >> Oh, really? Okay.

[06:36] The situation, you guys.

[06:37] >> Okay, let me let me let me back up.

[06:38] >> I thought you guys had 40 40 gear to

[06:40] level 60.

[06:41] >> No, no, no. Let me let me back up. Let

[06:42] me back up. Let me back up. So, there's

[06:44] there's a lot. Okay, so we like it. It's

[06:48] a tall ask. Tall. It's a tall ask to get

[06:52] 40 gnomes that are self-found like to

[06:55] 60. We are guild found now at 60, but

[06:58] like you can only go guild found if

[06:59] you're selfound at 60. And uh we have

[07:03] right now 39 signups that are 55 plus.

[07:06] So not everyone's 60. Not everyone has

[07:09] great gear. And like everything is very

[07:13] limited since we're guild found. Like

[07:14] you know with Frontier, right? We can't

[07:15] just like use everything. So, not

[07:18] everyone has great gear. Like the not

[07:21] everyone's even going to be max level.

[07:22] We're going to be attuning people the

[07:23] morning of. Um, we So, we're kind of

[07:25] like scrapping this whole thing

[07:26] together.

[07:27] >> That's crazy. Okay.

[07:28] >> Oh, yeah. So, the goal is really we're

[07:29] going to go in and see if we can kill

[07:31] the first two molten giants, which I

[07:33] think we can, but if we wipe there,

[07:34] that's it. Like, you know, and then if

[07:36] we can kill the first two, we're going

[07:37] to slowly move in, deal with the

[07:39] annihilators, the surgers, fire lords,

[07:41] and I think there's core hounds, and

[07:42] then double molten giant packs, and

[07:44] that's kind of it. And then the imps,

[07:47] which I think we can deal with with with

[07:49] lips. We have lip in our guild. Um

[07:52] >> and then we we're gonna try Lucy.

[07:54] >> Yeah. So then there's the dog packs and

[07:56] then Lucy. So it's like if we can kill

[07:58] Lucy, we'll go to mag, but like the the

[08:00] goal is really like we're going to

[08:02] dungeon crawl it. You know what I mean?

[08:03] Like we're just going to do one thing at

[08:04] a time and see how far we can go.

[08:07] >> I

[08:09] I think um those molten giants are going

[08:11] to be really hard. Giants are going to

[08:13] be really hard. There's a real chance

[08:15] our raid ends after the first molten

[08:16] giants. I'm not trolling. Like we could

[08:18] we could die right there.

[08:19] >> I see it. There is a possibility. I mean

[08:23] like how many how many 60 tanks do you

[08:25] have though? Like thinking about this.

[08:28] >> 15 warriors signed up but a lot of them

[08:30] are like full of Kines. Um we have two

[08:33] we have one tank that's pretty much full

[08:34] PBIS. That's like the tank I've been

[08:36] running with. And Stingan I think Sting

[08:39] was in your killed, right? Stingan has

[08:41] like some pretty good gear too. Um, so

[08:44] we have we have like our other main tank

[08:47] ended up quitting, so that you know that

[08:48] happens. So we have like two tanks with

[08:51] some decent gear. May maybe like a third

[08:53] one with some decent gear, too. But like

[08:54] a lot of them are like pretty pretty

[08:56] subpar gear.

[08:57] >> Um, you might want to break out the void

[09:01] walkers.

[09:03] >> Okay.

[09:05] >> Yeah. Yeah. You might you might want to

[09:08] have like a void walker off tank kind of

[09:09] situation.

[09:11] >> Yeah. That sounds so scary.

[09:14] >> Yeah, I Dude, I know. I' I've been

[09:16] trying like I'm thinking like, okay,

[09:19] worst case scenario, there's like six

[09:21] trash pulls before the imps or something

[09:24] like we can Okay, so side note, I was

[09:27] going to do Ghennis cuz Ghennis I think

[09:28] is going to be easier.

[09:30] >> But core hounds respawn until you kill

[09:33] mag. And I I think cors hounds spawn

[09:36] every 8 minutes. I think they're going

[09:37] to spawn on us.

[09:38] >> It's 15 minutes for core hounds.

[09:40] >> 15. I mean, we could get too.

[09:43] Don't do it.

[09:44] >> Yeah, I think Lucy. Yeah, let's do Lucy.

[09:46] Okay.

[09:48] >> I actually think Ghennis

[09:50] >> will kill at least five people. You take

[09:52] so much damage on that fight and like

[09:54] traditional things won't work cuz uh

[09:57] like you're probably going to be perma

[09:59] cursed. I mean, you guys maybe have a

[10:01] lot of mages.

[10:02] >> Uh we have I mean, I can show you our

[10:05] roster. Like I said, it's it's more

[10:07] about it's not really a roster. It's

[10:09] more just like

[10:10] >> what we have that's signed up.

[10:12] >> We have uh three tanks, 12 DPS warriors,

[10:15] but I'm, you know, a lot of them will

[10:16] probably end up be just shield while

[10:17] tanking. We have six rogues, seven

[10:19] mages, and 10 warlocks.

[10:22] >> That's not that bad.

[10:23] >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's a decent

[10:24] spread. Yeah. Um but yeah, in terms of

[10:27] the strategy, like so we we full cleared

[10:30] ubers, you know, we killed Dra. Um, and

[10:33] we did the like, you know, uh, we had

[10:35] two warriors. We had shield wall taunt

[10:37] like kind of swap situation.

[10:40] Um, actually Chomper, you know, Chomper.

[10:43] >> Yeah.

[10:44] >> Chomper ended up dying cuz he didn't

[10:45] want to take uh, cellound off and we

[10:47] couldn't give him a GFP and I I told him

[10:49] like a 100 times you're going to die

[10:51] without a GFP and he got conf flagged

[10:53] and died like so that sucked. So yeah,

[10:56] we lost Chomper too which was brutal for

[10:58] us. Um, warrior Yeah. Yeah. He was

[11:04] trying to main tank uh the can flag with

[11:06] no GFP and no healer and he died just

[11:09] like I don't know. I don't know.

[11:13] Shouldn't be laughing, but it was it was

[11:14] brutal. It was brutal.

[11:17] >> I feel bad for laughing.

[11:18] >> Why you guys are screwed?

[11:20] >> No, don't tell me that.

[11:21] >> I'll watch on Thursday.

[11:22] >> Don't tell me I were screwed. I I was

[11:24] I've been calling you for

[11:26] >> 12:30 PST.

[11:28] >> I'll be there.

[11:29] >> I'll be there.

[11:32] Thanks. Thanks for the confidence, Ampy.

[11:35] I'm like, okay, so I mean really, I'm

[11:38] thinking we go to Lucy. We try to kill

[11:40] Lucy. That's the raid, right? If it's

[11:42] somehow really easy, we could go to Mag.

[11:43] I'm thinking like for the for the imps,

[11:45] >> oh, Mag dies.

[11:47] >> Yeah,

[11:48] >> if you can kill Lucy, you can kill Mag.

[11:50] >> But we have to have like zero deaths cuz

[11:52] we have no replacements. So if we have

[11:53] if we kill Lucy with eight deaths

[11:55] between the trash and Lucy, then we, you

[11:57] know, we're at down to the 30 nos. So

[12:00] That is true.

[12:03] >> Yeah, that's

[12:05] >> But we Okay, for imps, we have uh you

[12:08] know, we pull we pull imps just like

[12:10] normal. We AoE taunt lip into a second

[12:12] AoE taunt lip. You think that's fine for

[12:14] the imp?

[12:14] >> They'll be dead before the second AoE.

[12:16] >> Okay. So, just one AoE taunt lip. We

[12:18] move in, we kill the searcher.

[12:20] >> Um,

[12:20] >> they don't do anything if you have GP

[12:22] on, you know.

[12:24] >> Okay,

[12:24] >> it's fine. Okay,

[12:25] >> those things are I'd be concerned I'd be

[12:28] really concerned about um the giant

[12:31] packs.

[12:31] >> Okay,

[12:32] >> and then we have prefab for the core

[12:35] hounds.

[12:36] >> Maybe like a core hound.

[12:37] >> Okay, prefab for the core hounds.

[12:39] >> Warhound is a little

[12:41] >> Oh, you don't

[12:44] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[12:45] >> Um

[12:46] have you looked at all the core hound

[12:48] options like know all the answers to

[12:50] everything?

[12:51] >> I mean I thought you just fapped on the

[12:52] core hounds. I mean that's that's what I

[12:55] know.

[12:55] >> Yeah, you could do that.

[12:56] >> No, no, I don't want like could do that.

[12:57] I just like trying to figure out like

[12:59] exactly

[13:00] >> you're rolling the dice if you're all in

[13:02] range. You're rolling the dice on losing

[13:04] people every core hound if you only fap.

[13:07] You should you should have at least one

[13:09] person on the aggro table out of range

[13:12] of ancient despair cuz then the whole

[13:14] raid gets blinded and if they resist it,

[13:17] they get aggro. Um

[13:19] >> Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh.

[13:20] >> Really afraid of that.

[13:22] >> I forgot about that.

[13:23] that

[13:24] >> you you don't have dispel. You you have

[13:25] dispel. What you could do is use a fell

[13:28] hun. Maybe fell hunters have a higher

[13:30] chance of resisting it. You just have

[13:32] fell hunters in. You do no DPS until the

[13:35] it shows what it is. That's probably

[13:37] fine. And if you have a lot of fell

[13:38] hunters, then you can just dispel the

[13:40] tank.

[13:40] >> You're supposed to be like really like

[13:42] calming me down here. And now I feel way

[13:44] more stressed than before this call,

[13:45] man.

[13:47] >> Wait, that's uh I mean Yeah. It's like

[13:53] before I just didn't know what I didn't

[13:54] know. Now it's like I know what I didn't

[13:55] know and now it's like I'm feeling

[13:56] terrible about it, you know?

[13:58] >> Um,

[14:01] okay. So, there's the double molten

[14:02] giants. There's the core hounds.

[14:05] >> That's all.

[14:05] >> Yeah, that's kind of it. There's fire

[14:06] lords, but we should kill those

[14:07] instantly.

[14:08] >> Fire lords are super easy. You have

[14:10] magic dispel and that's all they do.

[14:13] >> Okay. So, I'm a dispeller. Okay. Um,

[14:16] let's see what else. Once we get to

[14:18] >> I'm not 100% certain, but you could

[14:20] probably also just drop dummies

[14:23] permanently on every trash mine.

[14:25] >> That's what I'm thinking, too. Yeah, we

[14:26] we

[14:27] >> I think you could literally just just

[14:28] send like 300 dummies and you clear all

[14:30] the trash with no no breaks, no

[14:33] downtime, and you just speedrun it with

[14:35] dummies.

[14:35] >> And we we we all have world buffs. I

[14:37] think we just unboom right buffs. You

[14:39] can kill Rag.

[14:41] >> Can kill Rag. We have greens and a bunch

[14:43] of gnomes. We did MC hardcore with no

[14:46] world buffs. World buffs make you like

[14:49] BWL level gear even if you're wearing

[14:51] full greens.

[14:51] >> Okay. Okay. So, that's good. I mean,

[14:53] that's good for us. I mean,

[14:54] >> yeah, your tanks your tanks are going to

[14:55] have more HP. Well, do you have titans?

[14:58] >> No, we haven't found it. No,

[15:00] >> we have Petri, funny enough. But take

[15:02] back what I said.

[15:03] >> We don't have Petri for

[15:05] or

[15:07] >> we we found a Petri flask, which is

[15:09] crazy, but we don't have enough to give

[15:11] to everyone. See, we can't really make a

[15:13] petri out call. It's more just for like

[15:15] if we need to avoid a mechanic like the

[15:17] like in Ubers if our tank gets conf

[15:19] flagged, you can have them petri, right?

[15:20] Like stuff like that. But we don't

[15:22] really have enough to go around for like

[15:24] everyone. So, um h for the core hounds

[15:30] before not core hounds for like the dog

[15:32] packs before Lucy or like at Lucy.

[15:35] >> Um is AoE taunt lip fine?

[15:41] Um,

[15:42] >> or do we want like five warriors tanking

[15:45] each one? You think?

[15:47] >> I think you should have five five to

[15:49] each one. I would be concerned with AoE

[15:52] lip taunt.

[15:53] >> Okay.

[15:54] >> Uh, someone getting 10 stacks of bleed

[15:57] and then they die.

[15:58] >> Okay. So, we'll have one warrior on each

[15:59] and we just AoE normal.

[16:01] >> Yeah, you might want to like

[16:04] That's honestly you might want to assign

[16:06] two warriors to each dog off if

[16:09] >> So, this is what I'm saying. Like I feel

[16:10] like all of our warriors need to be

[16:12] ready to like tank. Like they do. They

[16:14] do.

[16:14] >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

[16:15] >> At least be in play gear with his shield

[16:17] ready.

[16:17] >> Okay, cool. We'll do that. Um, let me

[16:21] think. I had other questions. I'm trying

[16:23] to remember. I was going to have

[16:24] everyone roll a restoot on Lucy just to

[16:26] help dispels.

[16:27] >> Yeah, you'll kill before it's over, too.

[16:29] So, that's You don't need to dispel like

[16:30] at all pretty much if they do that.

[16:32] >> Okay. So, everyone roll a resto pot.

[16:34] >> Just don't pop it like until the first

[16:36] thing goes out, you know?

[16:38] >> Right. Right. Yep.

[16:40] Um, okay. What else

[16:42] >> do you know about mountain? Uh, the

[16:44] giants they they threat drop.

[16:46] >> The giants threat drop.

[16:48] >> Yeah, just the main tank. So like you

[16:51] you guys the tanks need to be taunting

[16:52] on.

[16:53] >> Is that destroyers or giants?

[16:55] >> Giants. Destroyers don't drop.

[16:56] >> How do I not know that?

[16:58] >> It's always assigned.

[17:00] >> Uh,

[17:01] yeah. Okay. Yeah. Let's Okay, so two

[17:04] tanks.

[17:04] >> Annihilators.

[17:05] >> Annihilators. I know about the threat

[17:07] drop. So, we spam taunt there and then

[17:09] surgers. I was just going to have a

[17:10] warrior stand far.

[17:12] >> Yeah.

[17:13] >> Yeah, that's good.

[17:14] >> Yeah. Cool. Um, fire lords are easy.

[17:17] Trying to think. I think there was like

[17:18] one more thing I was going to ask you.

[17:21] Um, oh, for for assignments on Lucy,

[17:24] there's three mobs. There's Lucy and the

[17:25] two ads. Do you think we should just

[17:27] have a warrior A ton shield wall and

[17:29] then another warrior A ton shield wall

[17:30] and another warrior A ton shield wall?

[17:32] Or do you think we should have a warrior

[17:34] to each ad? I was just trying to

[17:36] maximize shield wall time. You see what

[17:37] I'm saying?

[17:37] >> I see. I see what you're saying.

[17:39] >> Yeah.

[17:40] >> I think Warrior Eat is still maybe

[17:42] better though.

[17:42] >> So,

[17:45] >> yeah. This This has been my shower

[17:46] thoughts for the last like 3 weeks.

[17:48] >> I'm kind of I'm kind of like thinking

[17:49] about this on the spot.

[17:51] >> Yeah. Yeah. Dude, I've been thinking

[17:52] about this like on the sha like in the

[17:54] shower for like weeks now. Like, how are

[17:56] we going to do this?

[17:57] >> That's a lot of showering.

[17:58] >> I know.

[17:58] >> That's a lot of That's

[18:00] >> Yeah.

[18:01] >> So, if you do AoE I'm just thinking

[18:04] about the cons, the pros and cons. you

[18:06] do AoE taunt, shield wall. You're not

[18:09] actually maximizing your AoE. You're not

[18:12] maximizing your shield wall because when

[18:15] you AoE taunt, it lasts for 5 seconds

[18:19] and then it's a fixate. It doesn't

[18:20] generate any threat,

[18:21] >> right?

[18:22] >> So, your warrior is going to have no

[18:23] rage because he's shieldwald presumably

[18:26] in full tank gear wearing a shield deep.

[18:30] >> That guy holding aggro on anything but

[18:32] the maybe the main target.

[18:34] >> Maybe the main boss. Yeah, the other two

[18:35] then are free. So yeah,

[18:37] >> it would be more efficient, if you're

[18:38] thinking about that, it would be more

[18:40] efficient to use three shield walls for

[18:41] 18 seconds with no AoE taunt and then

[18:44] you use AoE taunt if threat goes crazy.

[18:47] Like let's say skull tank gets MCD,

[18:51] one of the warriors could AoE taunt that

[18:53] are already shieldwald. I think that's a

[18:55] better solution

[18:57] than and you could just have two two

[19:00] tanks to each mob, maybe three to the

[19:02] main target. I was thinking that exact

[19:04] same thing. Yep. So, no AoE. We have

[19:07] like two warriors to each mob. It's It

[19:09] could be even like a DPS warrior with a

[19:11] get ready to shield.

[19:13] >> I honestly think this is over

[19:15] complicating it though. I straight up

[19:17] think you play three tank. All the rest

[19:20] of your warriors go fury protand

[19:24] cuz last stand could be used as a fury

[19:26] warrior.

[19:27] >> And then the main three you think deep.

[19:30] >> Just so I'm following you. I think so.

[19:33] >> Yeah, that so that that's what I was

[19:34] thinking. We have we have three like

[19:36] main tanks that are like pro pro and

[19:38] then the rest of our warriors are like

[19:40] fury pro. They're ready to pick it up,

[19:41] but they can also DPS. That that's

[19:43] exactly what I was thinking. Yeah.

[19:44] >> So like this this this like brings me

[19:47] >> to the next point. Like if you're doing

[19:48] that, you have 37 DPS with world buffs

[19:51] and cool downs,

[19:52] >> right? It should die in like 15 seconds.

[19:53] Like maybe 20.

[19:55] >> Yeah.

[19:56] >> Like it'll be quick. It's just we still

[19:58] have no healers. like every every

[19:59] warrior diamond flasks. We go in there,

[20:01] we taunt shield wall, we just we spam

[20:04] restoots, target dummies. Like I'm

[20:06] that's what I'm thinking. Like I like I

[20:08] think we can do this. It's just getting

[20:09] there without the trap, you know,

[20:11] without dying.

[20:12] >> People People did this like they did no

[20:14] healer runs. Like there there's like

[20:16] horde speedruns that did like zero

[20:17] healer like full shaman spec DPS on

[20:20] Lucifer.

[20:21] >> This is I might need to watch those.

[20:24] I I mean I was looking up

[20:25] >> parsing look up like parsing runs cuz

[20:27] it's not going to be a speed run.

[20:29] >> Okay. I was looking up like the 40 mage

[20:31] run and stuff and like they just died

[20:33] after every pull. It made me feel like

[20:34] way worse about everything.

[20:35] >> It's not hardcore.

[20:36] >> Yeah. Um

[20:39] >> no honestly of all the bosses in there,

[20:41] Lucifron will just fall over to 37 DPS.

[20:44] >> Okay.

[20:45] >> Die in like 15 seconds.

[20:47] >> So we'll get the core hound threat

[20:48] situation figured out. We'll have like a

[20:50] warrior pick up threat and run max range

[20:54] or like maybe I'll pick up threat and

[20:55] run max range.

[20:57] >> This might sound crazy.

[20:59] >> Just spam dummies.

[21:01] >> I think I think you do

[21:03] focus boss on Lucifer and you just

[21:06] commit to dispelling the MC's and nobody

[21:09] does AoE.

[21:10] >> Wait, sorry. Say say that again.

[21:12] >> I think you should do zero AOE on

[21:15] Lucifer.

[21:16] >> Yeah. Yeah, totally.

[21:17] >> Full single target the boss first. Oh,

[21:19] kill boss before ads.

[21:21] >> Yeah.

[21:23] >> What what's the point of that? To

[21:25] alleviate the main problem that the ads

[21:27] do literally nothing. They do nothing

[21:29] but they spam MC.

[21:31] >> So like I think the the biggest risk I

[21:33] think on Lucifer is you killing your

[21:35] friends and that's going to happen if

[21:37] you're cleaving.

[21:39] >> Yeah. Well, I mean for sure it'll be no

[21:40] AoE. What I was thinking is we kill each

[21:42] ad in 4 seconds flat. Just ad dead. Ad

[21:44] dead then boss dead. They have a lot of

[21:46] If you kill both ads, that's the same

[21:48] amount of HP as the boss. But I'm pretty

[21:49] >> But we have 37 DPS with world buffs.

[21:51] Like I mean each ad should take like

[21:52] what 5 seconds like I don't know maybe

[21:56] maybe a bit longer. Eight.

[21:59] >> Yeah. I mean you could do that. That's

[22:01] that's there's I'm not saying either is

[22:02] right, but that's I think that would be

[22:04] what I would do

[22:05] >> is ignore ignore ads. Just burn boss.

[22:08] >> Yeah. You just you just like bring the

[22:09] ads like a little bit away from the boss

[22:11] and then and then um you just focus

[22:14] boss.

[22:15] >> Mhm. Okay. But you you think either way

[22:18] it kind of works like if we kill if we

[22:19] killed ads. Okay.

[22:21] >> Yeah.

[22:21] >> All right. I'm trying to think. I think

[22:22] that answers like most questions.

[22:25] I was really trying to figure out like

[22:27] taunt assignments and then I was trying

[22:28] to figure out like yeah how to actually

[22:30] get there. Um

[22:34] oh yeah going back to edge masters then.

[22:36] And now that we now that we really know

[22:38] kind of like the full grasp of what's

[22:39] going on, do we give those to one of the

[22:41] fury prompt warriors then or give it to

[22:44] the main tank or don't use it at all or

[22:46] like what's what what do you think?

[22:48] >> I would uh I would just give it to your

[22:51] best performer. I don't think it matters

[22:53] tank or death if they think they if

[22:55] somebody wants it like if somebody wants

[22:57] it and they're tanking and they're a

[22:59] good tank, I would give it to them. If

[23:02] >> I'm thinking looks maxed. Okay. Like

[23:04] >> I don't Yeah. I think it's better on the

[23:06] best player because

[23:09] um

[23:10] >> Okay,

[23:10] >> they're going to make use of it.

[23:11] >> Yeah,

[23:12] >> I don't think it matters DPS or tank.

[23:14] >> I have a player in mind for him then and

[23:16] I think he'll be running fury pro. So

[23:19] cool.

[23:19] >> That's best case scenario.

[23:20] >> Yep, good player. Fury proddter. He has

[23:23] good gear, too. Um,

[23:28] sweet. Is there anything else you can

[23:29] think of that might help us with success

[23:30] here? I'm I I don't know. Like I'm I'm

[23:33] optimistic we can take down Lucy, but

[23:35] I'm also kind of what you're thinking.

[23:36] Like there's a real chance we all just

[23:38] die to the first two molten giants and

[23:39] it's just like over, you know,

[23:41] >> like two warriors to each giant, you

[23:43] know, even three three warriors to each

[23:45] giant.

[23:47] >> No, I mean there's not that much to it

[23:48] if you're just doing Lucy. You guys got

[23:50] it. You guys got it.

[23:51] >> Okay, you're feeling confident again

[23:52] then.

[23:53] >> Trash and it's just No, I mean Yep.

[23:57] >> Super confident on you guys.

[23:59] >> Okay. I I'm glad you think you're

[24:02] feeling super confident. That's That's

[24:04] better than not.

[24:05] >> I'm not. Yeah. Uh yeah.

[24:08] >> Cool. Yeah. Thanks for the vote of

[24:10] confidence. That cute. Okay. Huge. Okay.

[24:13] Um

[24:14] cool. I'm trying to think of any other

[24:16] tech. We have uh those Unoro crystals

[24:20] crystals for the heals. We have uh no

[24:23] mind control cap. We can use Noish mind

[24:24] control cap to get FR on our tanks.

[24:28] um from Ubers.

[24:29] We have

[24:32] um like random items that like people

[24:34] have that can like send little heals

[24:35] here and there. We have hell stones like

[24:39] >> bobs.

[24:40] >> Uh recon bobs. I I have Yes, I have one.

[24:44] The problem is

[24:46] >> honestly you could just you're a healer

[24:48] with a reconulator.

[24:49] >> So it only heals 150 to 250 and it

[24:52] scales with spell damage. So mine will

[24:54] heal for like 400 health.

[24:57] I think I'm going to run it, but I don't

[24:58] think it's that good. You like, you

[25:01] know, I'm losing like a trinket slot,

[25:02] too. It's like couple hundred HP.

[25:05] >> We have marbles, too. Yeah, I forgot

[25:07] about marbles. Marbles on Lucy.

[25:11] Oh my gosh. Cool. Well, um I'll let you

[25:16] run. I know you're probably too in the

[25:17] middle of something, but if you uh if

[25:19] you have any other ideas, feel free to

[25:21] shoot them my way.

[25:24] I'm I'm excited, but I'm nervous, man.

[25:26] I'm like really nervous, but I'm

[25:28] excited, you know? I think we can do it.

[25:30] So,

[25:31] >> yeah, I think so, too.

[25:33] >> Cool. Uh, well, yo, thank you very much

[25:35] for all the help, Ampy. You rock. All

[25:38] right, have a good one.

[25:39] >> Got this.

[25:39] >> Peace.

[25:40] >> Later,

[25:41] >> Ampy. Ladies and gentlemen, I'm sorry

[25:43] his mic was quiet. I turned it up as

[25:44] high as high as I could and turned down

[25:46] my game volume so that you guys could

[25:48] hear him. Um he definitely has some very

[25:52] very good intel for these uh yeah for

[25:56] the run coming up. So guys it's it's

[25:59] it's in two days like we are it's it's

[26:03] in two days.

[26:06] Okay.

[26:08] Two days. High level intel lowle

[26:11] confidence. Yeah. Ampy didn't seem that

[26:13] confident in us, but

[26:16] I mean I think we could do it, you