How Women's Maximum-Security Prisons Actually Work

[00:02] D. I was convicted of a double murder in 1992, sentenced to life in prison as a juvenile. I served 31 years in prison at a maximum women's prison in Illinois. a maximum women's prison in Illinois. This is how crime works.

[00:16] got girlfriends beating on girlfriends, stabbing them. I was like, "Oh, I'm going to die here. I'm going to die. My mouth alone is going to get me killed."

[00:30] women. Everybody's serving over 20 some years for crimes, really hard crimes, murders, drug trafficking, sexual trafficking, all sorts of stuff like that. 10 to 15% of women in prison are in truly a

[00:45] maximum security for serious cases. My stepfather was very abusive. Um he was Everything that he taught me and trained me to do, I used it against him. I ended up killing two of his gang members. When

[00:57] me straight to Dwight Correctional Facility in Illinois. I was 17 years old, the youngest in prison. I remember my first day in prison, I knew nothing to expect from this place. Here I am a gang leader.

[01:12] I sentenced to life in prison. I just killed two people and I should be tough. Instead, the girl in me came out. The little kid came out and I was scared to here going to kill me." Went to see the doctors and everybody kept looking at

[01:24] me. But before I was being released to go on grounds, a few of the lifers, there was three of them, and they brought me a big old bag no, these people trying to make me their girl." But they explained to me who they

[01:38] were and they told me that they were lifers and and they gave me a knife. You're going to see a lot of things and they're going to try they're going to try to try you. So, you have to stand your ground." And I'm like, "Okay.

[01:50] Okay." And I remember um going to the yard and I got surrounded by a whole bunch of Latin Kings. And I was like, "Oh, particular old lady there and she was sitting in front of me. She was cussing

[02:04] me out. My reaction was to react, but one thing respect your elders. And second, she stated that she was the auntie of one of So, I had I just got I just lowered my head in respect. You know what I'm

[02:17] saying? Out of respect. And as y'all she kept saying was you killed my nephew. "You're going to die here." And then there was a lady next to her who wasn't older and she called herself and I was like,

[02:30] actually a Latin King. Latin Kings and Latin Queens are the number one rivals of the Maniac Latin Disciples. And she had killed a Maniac before. So, that's what she was there for. At that moment, that day, I said, "Okay, Loca D,

[02:44] you have to come out and you have to take over. It's no more Jacqueline, it's no more Jackie. Loca D had to be the one that's in prison." So, I did that. I let Loca D come out and I became the most fearful

[02:58] person in Dwight. Loca D is my gang name. It's In English, it's crazy disciple. That's what it stands for. I had a reputation to uphold. I was a chief of the Maniacs. I threw up my gang signs and she They started throwing up

[03:11] my gang signs, a lot of G a lot of the GDs and the Maniacs and all the folks came. And then the officers came like, "Break it up." And they walked me out of splash of blood come on me. I'm like, "What the Did I just get stabbed or

[03:25] And I looked and it was a couple in the side slicing each other's face. I was not want to go through what I went through the first day. I had to show that I was not fearful and I had to show that I was not to be messed with. I did

[03:39] And the girl didn't even do nothing to me. When I first moved into the dorm, closet and I had walked by. And I'm seeing her getting beat. "Okay, this is the time I have to prove myself.

[03:54] closet. So, I went in my room, put my bags down, went down the hallway, and walked into that closet. and walked into that closet. And I snapped. I got to swinging. Let go

[04:08] wrong with y'all? Woo! And I just got to snapping. So, I'm end up fighting these people. And that made a name for me. That really to Kankakee for 6 months. And

[04:22] was. Everybody knew who Lokedi was. So, I wasn't to be messed with. There was times where I was tough and cute and soon as the night came, I was crying like a baby.

[04:37] And I was crying for my mom, and I was asking God, "Please send me home. And believed that they would just want to hear me say sorry, and they would let me hear me say sorry, and they would let me go home.

[04:53] all the way to Florida. So, I went to a low correctional facility. I went to Homestead. Um it was a dorm. I slept with 87 women in a dorm situation. In Illinois, it's two-man cells. So, it wasn't as as much

[05:08] as it is in Florida. In Dwight, we have fences. It was a inside fence wired. They did do security like that, but not as much. Decatur to damn near walk their visitor to the car.

[05:22] But, it's ironic because you had more escape attempts in Dwight sent to the authority and came from Decatur to work at Dwight cuz she's worked inside grounds. Literally escaped from Dwight Correctional Facility. Was

[05:35] gone. We was on lockdown. Um it was so And I couldn't believe this She wasn't even a lifer. She was going home in less than a month." She did get caught months later. Um somebody told on her. Said she was

[05:49] charged with escape. And then we had another situation where we had a lifer. She went and dyed her clothes, dyed a hat, and made herself look like a visitor and walked out with the

[06:03] So, I mean, they do have attempts though. They have attempts. I think it might have crossed one time when I was in the county hospital. When I was at the county hospital and

[06:16] not shackled, not handcuffed, not nothing, and I was just standing right And it passed my mind. I was like, do you know I'm right here in Chicago

[06:29] and I can just so easily go. And I kept thinking that like What should I do? And I didn't do it cuz I was scared. I I'm going to be everywhere. I was like, no, no, let's just let it go. Let it go.

[06:43] It's okay. But, a lot of people take the chances and they take it. them. They would bring us drugs and or

[06:58] really that country, man, they sold more pills down there. The psychotropic meds or seizure meds in Illinois. But, when I was in Florida prison, that's where the real drugs were at. It's ridiculous. The officers were bringing in super

[07:13] They were bringing coke, cane, heroin. They were bringing anything. You were Um the officers were bringing cigarettes, they were bringing K2. They were bring That was prison. Dwight and Logan was

[07:26] nothing compared to Low Correction Facility Main Unit. drop it off in the parking lot and then one of the workers would go pick it up So, it was a lot easier. They do give us state pay, but state pay is like

[07:39] $15 a month. Nothing. $15 won't get you na- nothing. and food. They got out of family. My family still buy me None of my gang dollar from either one of them. But my mother did. So I was blessed to

[07:54] as far as commissary is concerned. But for those of who don't have people people's boxes. You'll go to school and come back and your lock box is popped and you lost all your food. They even robbed commissary.

[08:07] We was They was down there rehearsing for a show and popped the commissary door open and robbed the whole commissary. I worked in the kitchen. the house area. The only job that you could really make money on was industry.

[08:20] were making the women's clothes. You had to get approval for going in there. So a You had to be something to work in there cuz not just anybody would could work cuz not just anybody would could work there.

[08:37] prisons were the max prisons for women. We do tend to be the Hispanics and the blacks tend to stick together. The white girls are always the vics. the ones that you can scare. You know what I'm saying? But don't get it

[08:50] white girl. Huh. Huh. How about my girlfriend? It surprised the hell out of me. So I never underestimate none of them. But they do have it to where lords of the institution and the Hispanics and the black ones feel like

[09:04] get moved in the in the same dorm with my girlfriend, I can go tell another inmate and pay her. Like hey, help me get moved to this dorm. Next thing you backed up. You're moving move move move. I was like, for real? I only had to pay

[09:16] her $50. Like you got these women we run that [ __ ] why? >> There is a violence in women's prison. Violence is there. No matter what they say, oh

[09:29] prisons maximum prisons in Illinois don't have Yes, the hell we do. They just don't report them. This was actually maximum prison for women and it was not nothing like what they show on TV. The gangs in women

[09:42] prison is totally different than in men's prison. The gang banging stuff is mean, we don't gang bang as much, but they're there. They're there. Um we had the chief of the of the GDs there. Um me, the chief of the Queens, um we had a

[09:57] lot of Vice Lords. We had a lot of gang members. The women's maximum prison is more about relationships. They fight about relationships. Girl on girl, you woo woo. You got domestic violence in there. You

[10:09] got girlfriends beating on girlfriends. Cutting them up. Slicing their face. Stabbing them. I I I cut a girl up for having sex with my girlfriend. We'll take the mop, you know how you have the mop stick? It has the metal piece. We'll

[10:21] it up on the floor, on the cement outside, and that becomes a shank. Um I've had a toothbrush. Shake you you you're shaving it up. And that becomes a shank. You take the blade off the razor. You put it on the toothbrush, becomes a

[10:37] shank. It's it's rough when it comes to that. I could say that I my years in Dwight Correctional Center was the hardest and it became my home. And I got to accept that I was going to die there. The those were going to be

[10:50] the same walls I see when I lose take my last breath. doesn't have to necessarily be gangs. The officers jumping on you, raping you.

[11:05] had a officer there that was not supposed to work there. He used to call us B words all the time. He said, "Women are no good. All they're good for is to and was like, "You're not running nothing, woo woo."

[11:17] I was like, "Oh, So, I tied my door down and set my room on fire. So, they had to come and I had a sock full of double D batteries. He came in and he swung and hit me dead

[11:30] in my eye. And when he hit me in my eye, I let I got to beating him with the sock full of batteries.

[11:42] Officer McCluster, he grabbed my arm and in the process of him grabbing my arm, the sock went back and broke his jaw. Um by him catching a case, they gave me 7 and 1/2 years for that extra added on to my life sentence. The women ran the

[11:55] prisons in Illinois prison. We ran it. But in Florida prison, I couldn't I was fearful. I I I didn't even want to go down there and tell them who I was. I didn't want to tell them what my gang name was because when I saw the way that

[12:08] them people were being treated, you end up dead, beats, and all types of stuff. It was tough down there. I I went to low correction facility and I was in the main unit. Actually, inmate was paralyzed from officer. I've watched one

[12:21] inmate go up to the gate to ask officer a question and she got tasered, maced, and slammed on the head. But

[12:33] we have more violence against each And that's sick. And that's really sick. The they try to have sex with all the inmates. They try to have sex with all the staff. They don't care. They think that when we're sentenced to prison,

[12:46] become we have to do what they say regardless. to do it. They just think that they're just glorified, but [ __ ] can happen to them, too. So it it was a mixture. I was actually

[12:59] inmate officer. It was a little jailhouse marriage, marriage, but my name on her neck. She had me She got bought me a ring,

[13:11] And it was like we had a little ceremony in the library. So, I mean, if I had consensual cuz I was in love with this lady. So, you do have consensual relationships. 2008 was a big year for for the officers to lose

[13:26] ring in the white. I was involved with a female officer and people were getting paid them them inmates were getting paid food from the kitchen from the from the kitchen. Shrimps. They was They were having sex for for extra food and some

[13:39] money. When we made the newspaper, a lot of us was in confinement. DOJ came through and they weren't playing. They did a full investigation and a lot of officers lost their job because they were forcing

[13:54] it wasn't against the law because even if I it was a consensual law because I'm an inmate and I have to be protected by law and you're an me. After the prostitution ring happened in the white,

[14:08] they had to start to to put video cameras up because they they didn't have was happening. So, they had they were not had no other choice but to put up cameras. So, now we had cameras everywhere in the institution. We were

[14:22] the men prisons like prisons like they do us. It's a totally different thing. Like they can be so aggressive with us versus the men that's going to tell to do. I just think that the men's prison is

[14:37] Way more dangerous than a women's prison like we got incidents but they got problems. The men's prison, when they get caught talking to officer, you snitching and you going to get dealt with. You do not

[14:51] survive. The men's will take care of the other men's will beat beat them. Now, if you get if you're being sent to IA and sent to fast and you go there a lot, you're a snitch. As time goes by, they makes hanging with the prison officer a

[15:03] kicking with them. They they click. They click like real people and they they are able to go in there and say, "Move her over here." or move her up. "Move her over here." or move her up. They're able to do that.

[15:22] the rules though. You're not supposed to be in a relationship. I mean when it comes down to having sex, make put a curtain over your bed, lock the door, do it in prison, but we do. If you got caught, you're going to confinement.

[15:35] solitary. You're going down for a sexual. A sexual carries First sexual carry 15 days in confinement. Um a month C grade, which is C grade. You can't use a phone. You got no commissary. But you could only shop full access is when

[15:49] you're A grade. So well definitely if we get caught wise, you're going to combine and you're getting C grade. Everybody who came through F C used to be like,

[16:02] dance She the finest Puerto Rican down there. Cuz I was the youngest and I was the finest. I was fresh meat. Everybody wanted to have sex Jackie want to dance. And I was the type until I learned till the nurse pulled me to the side and told

[16:14] "You're going to catch AIDS." That stopped me. like, "Oh, my whole days are over. I'm going to retire. I'm in retirement." So like I said, you have your relationships I had a wife on every door. You you're

[16:31] thank God that I never caught nothing because I could have. through heartbreak. Um I used to think that my relationships were my sentence for committing a crime.

[16:44] for me. I was okay with having life in prison. I I was fine. Prison is not a a issue. This that's a world inside of another look good. You still wear clothes. You still wear shoes. So it was nothing that

[16:58] I was missing out here in free world. I think my sentence was falling in love I think my sentence was falling in love so many times and be left in prison. Or being cheated on. Or being told you're never going home. So I don't want

[17:12] oriented in there. Like they we try to find our family since we don't have our family with us. I had a prison mom, I had a prison dad, I had prison kids, aunties, uncles. The the boy girl was being a father or uncle or brother. A

[17:26] had my mother love her to death, but she's the one that taught me how to be a woman. at 15. So, I didn't know how to be a woman. She taught me the way like

[17:40] things, what to do and what not to do. But, I didn't have so many kids and and aunties and uncles and you build it there. You build it there. You build real. Like, they really are your family member.

[18:00] But, I ended up being one of the bad guys. My stepfather was very abusive. Um woman. His former training was rape and beatings and all this other stuff. So, I was kind of forced to be in a gang.

[18:14] That's why I was in the Latin Kings. He was the um white hand man He was training me to be a female hit woman. have Barbies, I didn't have teddy bears. I had none of that. I had knives and

[18:26] Everything that he taught me and trained me to do, I used it against him. I ended up killing two of his gang members. So, my life was supposed to be for Latin Queen. I was supposed to be the Latin Queen.

[18:38] Disciple. Because I didn't want to go with my stepfather. My stepfather was a rapist. He raped me, he beat me, took me where they'd beat me and rape me as well, touch me. So, I was being taught to hate to really

[18:53] hate people, not to show no type of love. So, because of that I joined their Which was the Maniac Latin Disciples. My best friend was murdered. He was I believe the bullet was intended for me, cuz he was in my car.

[19:07] So, I retaliated. I did not kill innocent people. I killed the people that pulled the trigger and it was involved. wish I could switch switch places with them. At first I wasn't remorseful. When

[19:20] I got a sentence I wasn't remorseful and everybody saw that. During the whole trial I did not cry and I shed one tear. I tried to fight the judge. I spit on to kill him and his family if I ever get out. Woo, I had no type of remorse.

[19:35] When I was told that I was going to get life in prison I broke down like a child and hit the floor. My co-defendant was sentenced to death, Marilyn Melero. conviction. Their conviction has been overturned.

[19:50] Um they have been acquitted of the charges cuz I took the weight. I regret I do. Um I took somebody's father, brother, son And that's something that I have to live with. I have nightmares. I still picture

[20:05] me shooting him. I still see the blood. This is something I did. So home. I'm sorry that there's a lot of people feel that I should still be a prisoner. At first I did too. But now with the achievements that I'm

[20:19] showing I feel like I deserve a second chance. Um I can't bring them boys back. I can't. But I have to live with that for the rest of my life. I've been free for 4 years now. 4 years I've been free.

[20:33] today. I've actually spoken to a cousin I've give I was given a chance to apologize to them.

[20:45] Um the rest of the family does not want to have anything to do with me. to have anything to do with me. Um and that's understandable.

[20:58] to show that they're they're pregnant. They do get the bottom bunk. Extra meals. They get They're get fine if you ask me. They still get messed yeah that that person is pregnant. And the only time you get pregnant in prison

[21:12] you're the relation with officer or you were raped by an officer. That's the They'll get to get to the doctors and they'll get to have their little things, but they're they're more they're more taken care of than the regular inmates.

[21:24] accidentally give birth in prison. Like sometimes your water bag break, you never know when it breaks. So, some girl had a baby in the toilet, you know what had a baby in the toilet, you know what I'm saying? So, it happens. But usually

[21:36] out in the ambulance. They'll take you out and take you to the hospital and you give birth to your baby. You stay there for like 2 days with the baby and then If there's nobody there to pick them up, DCFS will take over.

[21:49] My personal experience was I was never able to even the whole time. Actually in the mental health unit. They put me in the mental

[22:02] health unit um where nobody could see me, but didn't want to do what they wanted me to do. They wanted me to have abortion. You got some inmates too who agreed of well, if you trust me, I'll have an abortion.

[22:16] I wasn't I wasn't one of them. They wanted to give me psych meds. They visit, they wouldn't allow my mom to take a picture. I was just in a cell 23 and 1 and gave birth to and didn't even see

[22:30] And it's crazy cuz that's one part that I of my incarceration that I said I would never talk about, but my son said it was okay for me to talk about. Um he knew he knew of me, he said when he

[22:45] 11, 12, so he looked for me. And he found me when I came home. you could ever see. Then they got the school building which is Jay Adam Hall.

[23:00] get your hair permed, you get your hair straightened, you your nails done, get your toes done. I mean, so it's the same thing. Same thing that goes on out here. perfume in that bottle in the commissary. Color pencils, I used to do

[23:14] You buy the the hair products if you want a perm or whatever, you have to pay they use you as a student. They use you as a model. But your hair, you do have to pay. It's all inmate base. Um they go to school and they get certified or

[23:28] already certified. I went to the school. I went to the college. Um I did get my GED after my mother passed away. I wasn't even allowed back in the school.

[23:41] >> What did you do to that teacher initially, if you don't mind? >> Oh Lord. Um Miss Reed was very aggressive when it came to the inmates. this right. Ooh. And I was just called somebody stupid.

[23:55] hitting her across the back. And damn, I broke the lady's back. So, I was banned from school for the rest of my sentence. 16 years later, my mother passed away. And I went back and I said, I I wanted

[24:08] this. I begged my teacher. I begged her. I said, "Miss Reed, can you please let me come back and get my G?" She said, "No." want you at the school. You did what you did to me.

[24:22] I was like, "Please, Miss Reed. My momma dead. I got to show her I can get it." And I remember her saying, "If you graduate, certificate." Now, mind you, I hadn't been to school in 16 years. And I was so

[24:35] for my mom. So, I ended up getting my GED. I went to restaurant management, dog grooming, dog training, to computer tech. So, it is a lot of vocational, but that was in Dwight. When they shut

[24:49] The lifers couldn't go to school like that. The lifers were not allowed to go to school. It was only for people who had And that was the messed up thing about it cuz I used to tell myself, "I'm going

[25:01] outdate. So, you're not going to let me finish the rest of my management because I'm a lifer." But, lifers get out, too. day. And I wasn't allowed to finish my rest

[25:16] rehabilitation, but it's not. And I always make I always considered Dwight getting locked down and being a baby. I cried so hard. I felt like I was being

[25:32] kicked out of my home. And it was a hard pill to swallow. And watching other prison movies, please don't expect to think that it's for real. No, it's not. I mean, I hate that that prison I wish prison some of

[25:47] have a niece and who's also on probation right now cuz she got caught with a gun. I wish she was fearful of prison, but of course she's not because she's been in prison to see me. So, she's seen the hair

[25:59] getting done and the nails. And so, she's seen this. passed away. I knew that I had messed up and forgot to make it right before my

[26:12] mom died. I wanted to change up. I wanted to I wanted to be a real okay day. I did. I wanted to become Jacqueline. that. I did all that before my mom. I decided to get up to game life because

[26:26] it wasn't in me no more. I never thought that I would live to see past 16. I ready for age 16. But here I am, about to be 50 years old. But here I am, about to be 50 years old. I can't be a gang member or glorify with

[26:39] the what I did in my life. Glorify my murders when I'm trying to help people not make the same mistake. And then Northwestern came into my life. Northwestern law center our law school it was Bluhm Legal Clinic. It was 2013

[26:51] get me back in court. The law changed. People Miller versus Alabama. that juveniles could no longer be sentenced to life in prison as a because of that it gave me a chance to be resentenced. Those were the ones who

[27:06] there's a new case out." There's a new case in in the computer home. I was like, "Get me home. This is my home. What are you talking about?" I every time they told me that. I would tell them, "I'm not going

[27:19] it. I went back to county jail on March 3rd, 2015 to be resentenced. And the victim's family got on the stand and said, "Why why should he be sentenced to life in prison again and woo woo. And I stood

[27:32] there and watched them. And and the pain they felt I felt. got sentenced, the victim's family all got up and left. my statement.

[27:46] And that kind of blew me. I cried like a baby. I apologized for what I did. I I'm with you. I don't agree that I should be sentenced to nothing other than life prison." I mean, I'm agreeing with you. But

[28:00] years. And they ended up telling me that I had to do 7 and a half more years or whatever, which it wasn't. It wasn't even that long. Because of the fact that days. I couldn't do I couldn't get no credit for my GED. I couldn't get credit

[28:14] now that I had access to three years, I was able to get all that credit. So, I ended up coming home with a year and a half early. I was scared that I was I was scared that I wasn't going to want to leave.

[28:29] there. So, I ended up paying $3,000 to be transferred to Florida prison. >> 80% of people at that prison had tested >> They did. They did. Florida Florida was was I saw everybody getting

[28:47] sick. I watched a lot of people die behind that COVID. My sleeping, she was dead. that me being in Interstate Compact, that the minute it was a break out they

[29:01] shots and was released. wouldn't have contact to COVID because But, as I got released and after I have I was

[29:14] that got my shots because my shots came from Illinois. So, they turned around and I watched people Like, and I couldn't believe it. I thought the world was coming to an

[29:29] I thought the world was coming to an end. and it was April 1st, 2022. And I remember crying and crying.

[29:42] I just fell on the floor. I can't breathe. Why? Why am I here and not them? Why was I released and not nobody else? So, it was hard. It was a hard day. It

[29:54] was a happy and a hard day. They took me to a seafood place cuz I had never ate lobster or crab legs. I was like, I'm going to do everything I I never did in my life. Everything I was told that I couldn't do, I wanted to do. So, my

[30:06] And boy, was I embarrassed. So, I remember them bringing these big ass what the And I didn't know that I had to take a doing. Everybody started laughing at me. I was like, what's wrong? They were

[30:19] there because that's what's going to grab it. I said, "Oh." I didn't know. But, it was a bittersweet. I put bars on my window. I was scared. For the first year,

[30:34] still adjusting. I didn't want to go outside. I was scared. I didn't even use metal sport I was still using plastic forks. I was still adjusting. I didn't

[30:46] count time. I was still fear. A lot of fear. Um that I was coming to get killed. Due to my case, I sent my niece to the store. She came from Chicago to visit me in Florida.

[31:00] thought nothing of it. And I'm seeing machine right quick so we can go ahead and pay for it." As she was trying to go there, this other lady pushed her daughter there and was like, "No, I I

[31:13] Okay, fine." I was like, "You know, go to get the other machine, she pushed her same daughter to the other machine. going to play these games no more." I was ready to fight. I was ready

[31:26] I was waiting for her outside. My niece was like, "No, Z Z, don't go back to look at her face and she was starting to cry. And I was just like, "Oh my god, I'm not used to this." It was something new. But I felt like she was trying me.

[31:39] you trying me, now I got to show who I am. So I had to remember this is not prison. Cuz I was ready to whoop that girl butt behind. I waited outside for a while until my niece cried away like, "Let's just go home. Let's just go

[31:52] I spent more time in prison than I did in the free world. be days that I still feel like I should be in prison. What I would tell my don't give up. Second chances are real. I just recently

[32:07] got out and I'm got my own apartment. So I'm I'm still learning. I'm still making not I'm human. I'm not no angel. I'm human. And I'm still making mistakes. I lost I gave birth to two babies that were dead. And I lost my way.

[32:21] So I had to find my way back. And that's why I want I want people to know that people do change. We do change. We grow up. Yeah, I committed I did commit the murders. I did do what they said I did. But I'm not

[32:34] I mentor the kids. um A lot of people in prison they say they're innocent. Everybody says they didn't do anything. Well, I'm the opposite. I'm guilty.

[32:49] I committed a double murder. I pulled the trigger. I watched these men die. So, my goal is today is I can't bring them back. May they rest in peace. I can't bring them back.

[33:02] places with them. Cuz they had family and I didn't. So, right now I have my goal in life to give back to them and to give back to society to help these youth not make the same mistakes I made. I'm actually working

[33:17] with the Lighthouse Church where is independent living. And they have three houses now in Chicago, Illinois who are accepting anybody. This is like a second chance program. I'm looking at trying to get a

[33:29] so that I can open up uh dog room and dog training. So, that Instead of being out there robbing people, selling drugs, getting in trouble, they can come into my building for free

[33:44] and learn how to do learn how to groom a dog, learn how to basic training a dog. And dogs are very therapeutic. So, that is my goal to do that. I do have a spot um where I'm collecting donations so that I can be able to do that.

[34:07] some stuff at the Lincoln Correctional Center and Logan Correctional Center. Logan prison is messed up because they keep saying that you want to there's no classes to do that. Actually,

[34:19] the women are down there dying. They're getting sick. We're coming home and realize we're fighting cancer. I fought cancer. There's no good health right health system there. But, a A of things need to change.

[34:31] Rehabilitation is one of them. Reentry is another one. Show these people that what they are capable of coming home to and what to do with it because nobody taught me how to come home and do anything. So, I was left with no family

[34:43] members and nothing to to to I couldn't get a job. I still can't get a job they do a background check or apartments they do a background checks and and credit score. I don't know anything about that, but you have to get reentry.

[34:56] You have to give these people second chances or they have to or they're going to go back to what they know to survive. So, reentry is the number one thing that I would love to see in these prisons and it starts in the prison and then it

[35:11] comes out here. This is my juvenile life without parole. Jacqueline. This is a shirt that so many people wore went in front of the parole boards. Northwestern Blue Clinic is amazing. I

[35:25] to come see me just to give me a second chance. So, this shirt means a lot because there's still people inside now. There's kids still today being charged as an adults trying to get sentenced to life in prison. That's why I said my

[35:39] program Future for Tomorrow's Youth is a big issue because the system is really failing us, y'all. Juvenile life without parole, can you Can you imagine your niece, your nephew, your child being at the wrong place at

[35:54] Cuz you don't even have to pull the trigger. penalty. My other co-defendant didn't pull the years in prison. It has to put a stop to it.

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