Is Spider-Noir the Future of the Sony Spider-Verse?

[00:04] Let's rewind. Rewind.

[00:10] Welcome back to Screen Crush Rewind. I'm

[00:11] your host, Ryan Ary. And today,

[00:13] unfortunately, we are not talking about

[00:15] a Dr. Doom pop-up coffee shop. We are

[00:17] finally getting to sit down and talk to

[00:18] you guys about Spider Noir. So, fair

[00:20] warning, spoilers for Spider Noir season

[00:23] 1 are ahead. Now, not only are we going

[00:26] to talk about this season of Spider

[00:27] Noir, but we're going to talk about some

[00:30] of the news about Spider Noir, about how

[00:31] this show cost, wait for it, almost half

[00:35] a billion dollars to create. I like the

[00:39] show, but I don't like the show a half a

[00:42] billion times. That's crazy. We're also

[00:46] going to talk about whether or not

[00:48] Spider Noir represents a resurrection of

[00:50] the Sony verse. If you watched our

[00:52] review video that went up last week,

[00:53] then you know that I really like the

[00:55] show. And in my opinion, it's it shows

[00:57] us not only how the Sony verse could

[00:59] have been done right, but also how the

[01:01] Multiverse saga could have been done

[01:03] right. We're going to talk about all of

[01:04] that and more. But first, we're going to

[01:05] start with our opinions on the actual

[01:07] show. And I have a couple of guests to

[01:08] bring on here with me, the old regulars.

[01:10] You know, these guys, old reliable

[01:12] himself, Mr. Alex Zin from the Comic

[01:14] Book Club podcast. How are you, Alex?

[01:16] >> I'm great, Ryan. I I wrote a song for

[01:18] Spider Noir. Would you like me to sing

[01:20] it to you?

[01:22] >> That depends. Can you sing?

[01:24] >> I mean, you decide, I guess, but

[01:26] >> All right. Well, let's

[01:28] >> Noir, Spider Noir. You can find him in a

[01:31] bar. I like the scene where he's on a

[01:33] car. Look out. See, here comes Spider

[01:36] Noir.

[01:37] >> What do you think?

[01:38] >> I like it. Especially the part about the

[01:39] bar. That was my favorite. That was

[01:42] >> I'm good at rhymes. What can I say? I

[01:43] was born gifted.

[01:44] >> I'm really happy.

[01:45] >> I'm very happy I get to be your friend.

[01:47] That's That's kind of just where I left

[01:49] off on this. I'm very pleased that that

[01:52] we have a friendship.

[01:53] >> Me too, bro.

[01:55] >> Okay,

[01:55] >> just a second. I got to fix an audio

[01:57] thing on my side because you're coming

[01:58] in real low. And next up, you know him

[02:01] as the guy who's always on break. I have

[02:02] not talked to him yet about this show

[02:04] and I'm looking forward to it so much,

[02:05] Mr. Tommy Beck told. What is going on,

[02:07] my friend?

[02:08] >> Janet, listen. It's called Casual Friday

[02:11] and for me that means top and bottom is

[02:13] casual and I won't take any notes. Ryan,

[02:15] how are you? I also wrote a song for

[02:17] Spider Noir. It's to the theme of uh

[02:19] Closer by 9in Nails. I want to web you

[02:23] like a spider noir.

[02:25] >> That's it. That's the whole song.

[02:27] >> I wondered how much you guys planned

[02:28] this ahead of time. That was excellent.

[02:30] That was

[02:30] >> We've been working on it all week.

[02:32] >> Yeah.

[02:36] >> I just did Johnny Cash's cover of a 9 in

[02:39] song. Yeah. Sorry, Tom. I stepped all

[02:41] over your joke. Stepped on it. stepped

[02:44] on it like it was a cigarette on the

[02:45] street in the show Spider Noir. So, um,

[02:47] we're gonna I want to first just let me

[02:49] know what you guys think about this

[02:50] show. Alex, you go first. What were your

[02:52] thoughts on the series? And again,

[02:53] spoilers spoilers abound.

[02:55] >> Sure. I liked it a lot more than I

[02:57] thought I would going into it. I was

[03:00] worried it was going to be a little bit

[03:01] of a disaster. And it kind of is, but in

[03:03] a pleasant way where it starts as a very

[03:08] much straightforward film noir pastiche

[03:10] and you can feel over the course of the

[03:11] eight episodes just Nicholas Cage

[03:14] pushing into it more and more and more

[03:17] where I don't know like he takes control

[03:19] of the thing and I that's fun like I

[03:21] like Nicholas Cage. I think he is a wild

[03:24] man and when you let him be a wild man

[03:25] that's enjoyable. And it just got

[03:28] goofier and funnier and weirder over the

[03:30] course of the eight episodes. And

[03:32] honestly, I would I would rather watch

[03:33] that. Like I'd rather watch that than

[03:35] like we're doing another straightforward

[03:38] across the board. This is a superhero

[03:40] movie. The entire world is at stake and

[03:42] then we split it into eight episodes.

[03:44] Instead, go weird. Give us the horror

[03:46] universal horror episode and lead into

[03:48] it.

[03:49] >> That's more fun. I had a good time.

[03:50] >> That horror episode was my favorite of

[03:53] the of the season. I loved it. uh just

[03:55] the way they played with reality. I was

[03:56] like, man, if D if they did get David

[03:58] Lynch, RIP to do a superhero, to do a

[04:01] cape, this would be it. Tommy, what do

[04:03] you think?

[04:04] >> Yeah. Uh similarly, I I think that as

[04:07] the show got more Nick Ky, it got more

[04:10] enjoyable for me. I This was a show that

[04:12] I had almost no expectations for to be

[04:14] perfectly honest with you. I was stunned

[04:18] that it went from being announced to

[04:20] actually being made to being released.

[04:22] But as I think we'll probably talk about

[04:23] later, I do feel like if this movie was

[04:26] or this show was being produced and

[04:28] financed by any other company other than

[04:30] Amazon, it would have died on the vine

[04:32] because Amazon we was we're about to see

[04:34] this weekend with Masters of the

[04:35] Universe is willing to throw ungodly

[04:37] amounts of money at at things to make

[04:39] them to get them across the finish line.

[04:42] But

[04:43] I like the show very very much. I

[04:45] thought it was really fun. I thought the

[04:47] casting was like pretty pitch perfect. I

[04:49] mean, it's difficult to p cast a show in

[04:52] 2026 or when they cast it in 2024

[04:55] with actors trying to act as though

[04:57] they're in a thing being produced in the

[04:59] 40s, right? It's like they they asked to

[05:02] get some pretty outrageous performances

[05:04] and I thought some landed more than

[05:06] others, but I thought overall,

[05:08] especially in the core casting,

[05:10] everybody was really terrific in it.

[05:12] >> I mean, they they made such strong

[05:14] choices. the guy who played Megawatt,

[05:16] like what he did with his voice and

[05:19] yeah, you know, he did the whole growl

[05:21] thing and everybody speaks in a

[05:22] transatlantic accent, you know,

[05:25] >> that wasn't a transatlantic accent, but

[05:26] everybody else did, except for the

[05:28] people who were putting on tough guy New

[05:29] York accents,

[05:31] the people who talk like this, by the

[05:32] way, in case you're watching and you

[05:33] don't know, sorry, Tom and

[05:35] >> No, no, I was just say and that detail

[05:36] being that you know that that he's an

[05:39] aspiring actor, so the transatlantic act

[05:41] accent would be very important to him, I

[05:43] thought was interesting. like it's like,

[05:45] "Oh, he's he's also performing as

[05:48] Megawatt, right?" Like it's like he's

[05:50] doing he's doing a performance. But

[05:52] yeah, I thought I thought that was

[05:54] really fun. I um so I'll give you a

[05:57] little inside baseball. When this show

[05:58] came out, I actually auditioned for it

[06:00] twice. I did not audition for Megawatt,

[06:01] but I auditioned for one of the henchmen

[06:04] that doesn't get uh doesn't get knocked

[06:06] off early on in the season, and I

[06:08] auditioned, I believe, to be a bartender

[06:10] in it. And I did not go as deep into the

[06:14] noir style. It I mean I figured out what

[06:16] the show was even though it was under a

[06:18] coded name and all the names were

[06:19] changed and there was no mention of any

[06:21] spider entities in it. But I did not

[06:23] realize how heavily they were going to

[06:25] lean into everyone else's performances

[06:27] being you know this is a show that this

[06:30] could have been released 70 80 years

[06:33] ago. So,

[06:34] >> well, I you know, if you're going for a

[06:36] bartender, I guess the bartender from

[06:38] like It's a Wonderful Life would have

[06:39] been the way to go.

[06:40] >> All right, you two pixies out the door,

[06:43] out the window. It's up to you like

[06:45] that.

[06:45] >> But, I mean, to that point, you don't

[06:47] expect that, right? Like, you expect

[06:48] them to be like, "Yeah, we're going to

[06:49] kind of make it look like film noir, but

[06:51] it's a show that we filmed right now."

[06:53] But they they go for it.

[06:55] >> Well, you know, I think Yeah. Sorry. I

[06:58] think an example that I think of is like

[07:00] that didn't always do this was Boardwalk

[07:02] Empire. Like Boardwalk Empire had people

[07:04] that were straight up performing like it

[07:05] was 2014 sometimes. Like there were

[07:07] there were some characters the guy who

[07:09] played Al Capone who's a great English

[07:10] actor leaned very heavily into the like

[07:13] gangster. See, hey, come on. We're doing

[07:14] all this. But it's like but uh you know

[07:16] there were other characters who played

[07:18] kind of just the people in that world

[07:20] that didn't really do put any

[07:21] affectation on it. Whereas I feel like

[07:24] most

[07:24] >> Yes. Right.

[07:25] >> He he was kind of timeless in that

[07:27] performance. Well, there's the whole

[07:28] internet thing of saying that actors in

[07:31] period paces look like they have a face

[07:33] that's seen an iPhone. And I think they

[07:35] very specifically cast people in the

[07:37] show who do not. They look like heavies.

[07:39] Like there's one of the guys who does

[07:42] not die as what's his name? Scott

[07:43] MacArthur, I think it is, who's a great

[07:45] comedic actor. He's uh I think he was in

[07:48] the other two. He was also in he's in

[07:50] Running Point on Netflix right now.

[07:51] >> Oh, I love that guy. Yes.

[07:53] >> Yeah. He's really funny. He does nothing

[07:55] in the show. Like to the point where I

[07:58] was like, why why is he here? But part

[08:00] of the reason he's there is he looks

[08:01] right. He looks period appropriated and

[08:03] he channels it.

[08:04] >> Well, and part it's interesting you

[08:06] bring up Boardwalk Empire because Jack

[08:07] Houston uh who played what was his name?

[08:10] Richard. Richard Harrow on Boardwalk

[08:12] Empire is Sandman. He's I mean he's

[08:14] older. He's gained a little bit of

[08:15] weight because he was like so gaunt in

[08:17] that show.

[08:18] >> Um and then both performances, you know,

[08:20] he just has that face. He's got that

[08:22] mustache that just makes you think like,

[08:23] "Yeah, this guy belongs in a poster from

[08:25] a movie in the 1930s." Beyond that

[08:28] though, beyond um like our thoughts on

[08:30] the casting as far as this being like

[08:33] because it is it's it's a Sony verse

[08:35] spin-off, right? These are like Madame

[08:37] Web. This is like Craven the Hunter and

[08:40] all these things that we've hated and

[08:42] made fun of. I don't know how they could

[08:43] screw up Venom Horse, but they somehow

[08:45] did it. So, this is a Sony verse

[08:48] project, right? Um, I'm curious if you

[08:51] guys think that the Sony verse will

[08:53] continue. And before you keep go, before

[08:54] you answer, I do have this clip from uh

[08:57] Sony, I think he's the CEO now, Tom

[08:59] Rothman, talking about the Sony verse.

[09:02] >> Where are we in the Spider-Man

[09:04] franchise? Not at the animated

[09:06] Spider-Verse. Is the larger Spider-Verse

[09:08] dead? Are you gonna go back to those at

[09:10] some point?

[09:11] >> Yes,

[09:11] >> you will. But it'll be a it'll be a

[09:13] fresh reboot.

[09:15] >> Yes.

[09:15] >> New people. Okay.

[09:16] >> Yes.

[09:17] >> So, there you go. Um,

[09:20] that to me says, yeah, they still think

[09:22] this is IP that they can milk and

[09:24] they're looking for ways to do it. I

[09:26] kind of think this is the way to do it.

[09:28] Do you think this is part of the plan?

[09:29] Do you think we're going to get like a

[09:31] like a Penny Parker um anime movie? Do

[09:34] you think how far do you think they're

[09:35] going to take this? I

[09:37] >> I think the thing that they've always

[09:39] needed to do that maybe they're finally

[09:41] realizing after several decades is they

[09:43] just need to not get over their skis on

[09:45] any of this stuff. Like every time

[09:46] Spider-Man is successful, they say,

[09:48] "Great news. We're going to make 16

[09:50] other movies that don't have Spider-Man

[09:52] in it." And they finally did that and it

[09:54] did not work. So, taking a step back and

[09:57] particularly turning to Phil Lord and

[09:59] Chris Miller who have done so well with

[10:01] the Spider-Verse movies and are just two

[10:03] of the most reliable guys in

[10:04] entertainment, you know, kurfuffle with

[10:06] Star Wars aside, I think having them be

[10:10] behind the scenes and give them the time

[10:12] to do what they needed to do with Spider

[10:14] Noir. I don't want to give them full

[10:15] credit, but certainly has to give them

[10:17] some credit there. And if they continue

[10:19] to allow them to be shepherds, perhaps

[10:22] take that approach, not do the thing

[10:24] that not to call out any specific names,

[10:26] but like that AB Pascal has done before

[10:28] where they go on a red carpet and

[10:29] they're like, "We're going to do a

[10:30] scorpion movie. He's a real scorpion

[10:33] now. He's a large scorpion." That's the

[10:35] idea of the movie. They're like, "What?

[10:36] Why are you doing this?"

[10:37] >> Remember when the rhino became a rhino

[10:39] in the movie Craven?

[10:41] >> Remember that?

[10:41] >> One of the best parts of that movie,

[10:42] honestly. I was just going to say I I

[10:45] hate to say it, that was the part of

[10:46] that movie that I do remember. Like I

[10:49] like that guy. He played that he played

[10:51] the Rhino so unhinged in them. Like he

[10:53] was

[10:53] >> So far they're two for two for with

[10:55] Rhinos between him and Paul Giamati who

[10:58] >> I mean Paul Giamonti was more comic

[11:00] accurate. He definitely has that. My

[11:03] favorite part of the Rhino fight though

[11:04] is having it be referenced in No Way

[11:06] Home as I fought a man. How did he say

[11:08] it? I fought a man. not in a rhino suit

[11:10] or a rhino costume, but he had a

[11:12] particular wording for it. No, I I

[11:14] fought a man in a in a rhino costume

[11:17] >> and that was a nice call back to that.

[11:19] >> Yes.

[11:19] >> Um,

[11:20] >> are there what other aspects? So, you

[11:22] mentioned Phil Lord and Chris Miller.

[11:23] So, obviously just getting great

[11:24] creatives with a great track record and

[11:26] then letting them do their thing. And I

[11:28] think you're right, the Sony verse has

[11:29] always had this thing where, okay, well,

[11:31] let's put a bunch of people in Amazing

[11:33] Spider-Man 2 and tease this Drew Goddard

[11:35] Sinister 6 movie, which didn't need to

[11:38] happen. They could have just, you know,

[11:39] Drew Godard's a genius. They could just

[11:40] let him make a Sinister 6 movie and not

[11:42] necessarily include tie-ins that bog

[11:44] down their current projects. Um, do you

[11:47] think, you know, Tommy, do you think

[11:48] there's going to be any kind of other

[11:50] things like this? Maybe spin-off of the

[11:52] Spider-Verse films or just micro

[11:55] focusing like or what would you like to

[11:57] see might be a better example? Yeah, I I

[11:59] think I think that what this show did is

[12:01] what I would like to see in the sense

[12:03] that it it the the movies in the

[12:08] Spider-Verse, not not the not the

[12:10] animated, but like the live action Sony

[12:11] was they feel desperate to tie in to to

[12:15] the Marvel Sony co-productions if they

[12:17] can. rarely allowed to reference Marvel,

[12:19] but like they feel and you see in Madame

[12:22] Web when obviously they re-shoot and

[12:23] rewrite and start taking stripping

[12:25] things away, there's a vacuum left in

[12:28] there of like this should be tying in

[12:29] and our minds now conditioned as you

[12:32] know comic book movie lovers are like

[12:34] looking for those tie-ins. I felt no

[12:37] pressure to do that during Spider Noir.

[12:39] I felt like I could just enjoy the fact

[12:41] that they have this like five decade

[12:43] long career movie star carrying like

[12:46] doing TV and he's done so much good

[12:48] press explaining why he wanted to do TV

[12:51] and how he evolved into that opinion as

[12:54] a you know person who always looked down

[12:56] upon TV and then he watched Breaking Bad

[12:58] during COVID because his son told him

[13:00] you have to watch this show and he fell

[13:02] in love with Brian Cranston's

[13:03] performance and he became envious of

[13:05] Brian Cranston having the time to take a

[13:08] season to explain and to perform the

[13:10] character and wanting to then do that

[13:12] and then the thing that he does is

[13:14] Spider-Man like it's like it's like he

[13:17] doesn't go to Vince uh Vince Gilligan or

[13:20] he doesn't go to like you know David

[13:21] Chase or somebody like that and it's

[13:22] like write me the most intense drama

[13:25] character. He's like no I'm going to do

[13:27] this fun animated I'm going to do a live

[13:28] action version of this fun animated

[13:30] character that I probably spent three

[13:31] hours in a recording studio doing and I

[13:34] and that was it. Yes, the budget is

[13:36] astronomical on the show. So, what I'm

[13:38] about to say doesn't make sense. We'll

[13:39] get to that in a second. Simple. Like,

[13:40] it was like it didn't require me to do

[13:43] anything else but just enjoy what I was

[13:45] watching. And I feel like get the

[13:47] people's get some cache with your

[13:50] viewers and your fans by making a couple

[13:52] of these that are really good. They

[13:54] don't have to give you like

[13:56] >> this is Peter Parker's gonna swing into

[13:58] this in season three. You know what I

[14:00] mean? Like, I don't need that. I just

[14:02] love this stuff and this show allowed me

[14:04] to just love it, you know?

[14:06] >> You know, Nicholas Cage though, he did

[14:07] this because he's one of us. Like he's a

[14:09] comic book fan. I think he still goes to

[14:11] the shop on Wednesdays or in my hometown

[14:13] Thursdays because we were a day away

[14:14] from every, you know, like one day later

[14:15] than everybody else. Um, the one thing I

[14:18] think about this show really has going

[14:19] for it is the no connections. I think

[14:22] you know the MCU I remember there was a

[14:25] when screen crusher really took off we

[14:26] were doing Wanda division explaining all

[14:28] this stuff then there was a meme that

[14:29] went around the internet that was like

[14:32] showing how um if the Lord of the Rings

[14:34] was made today and it had like all these

[14:36] fake movies you know like about like um

[14:39] the the tale of Bard from from Lake Town

[14:41] is his own movie and Gollum's movie and

[14:43] ironically they're making a Gollum movie

[14:45] now and that's when I first got the

[14:46] inkling that like on the popular level

[14:49] on the voxuli

[14:50] people were starting starting to get

[14:52] franchise fatigue and feel like they had

[14:54] homework because there was never that

[14:56] Avengers movie or that payoff. Whereas

[14:58] the Fast and Furious franchise,

[15:00] >> it's just one franchise. I mean, it's

[15:01] they got the Hobs and Shell spin-off,

[15:02] but it's just that. I think you make a

[15:05] good point and and I also think that

[15:06] when just real quickly when when you

[15:09] when you insist upon tie-ins and when

[15:12] you like, you know, you set up all these

[15:13] tie-ins, you run the risk of getting

[15:15] kind of an unfair criticism of your film

[15:17] if those tie-ins don't work, you know,

[15:19] or if they're if they're underwhelming,

[15:21] all of a sudden that becomes a criticism

[15:24] of a movie that doesn't really have

[15:25] anything to do with the actual movie

[15:26] itself. It's like, I didn't think that

[15:28] the way they set this up was good

[15:30] enough. And it's like, well, what did

[15:31] you think about the story that was told

[15:32] in the two hours that you were in the

[15:34] theater? But it's valid criticism

[15:35] because they put it out to the general

[15:37] public. So, you know, when you relieve

[15:39] yourself of that pressure, you also

[15:41] can't underwhelm anyone with it. You

[15:43] know what I mean? Like when there's no

[15:45] promise of it, there's no chance of

[15:46] people being like, "Yeah, it was good,

[15:48] but the way they tried to tie it into

[15:49] like, you know, you know, whatever, like

[15:52] Gwenpool didn't work for me."

[15:54] >> Right. Well, yeah. One of the smartest

[15:56] things I think they did which was a

[15:58] little janky but I they had to do it was

[16:00] that narration right at the top of the

[16:02] first episode where he says somebody

[16:04] want to ask me what universe this was

[16:06] >> and I kept waiting for them to come back

[16:08] to that waiting for like Miguel Hara to

[16:11] approach him in the postredit scene.

[16:13] They didn't do any of that and that's

[16:15] great. No, I was relieved because then

[16:19] the conversation about it becomes how

[16:21] does this set up beyond the

[16:22] Spider-Verse, not about the show itself,

[16:24] which told the beginning, to Tomby's

[16:26] point, beginning, middle, and end of a

[16:28] story all in of itself.

[16:31] >> It would have been pretty bad if uh

[16:32] we'll get to season two in a second, but

[16:34] it would have been pretty bad if they

[16:35] would have forced in another character

[16:37] or like if Felicia Hardy would have

[16:38] been, I don't know, bitten by a magical

[16:41] cat and gotten the black cat powers at

[16:43] some point during this. it just wouldn't

[16:45] have worked. Um, I think the right way

[16:47] to do these connections I, you know,

[16:48] we're working on a Captain America:

[16:50] Civil War breakdown now. That movie does

[16:51] it perfectly because it takes the

[16:53] characters of Spider-Man and Black

[16:54] Panther and it makes them important to

[16:55] the story they're telling

[16:57] >> instead of I Amazing Spider-Man 2 is

[16:59] probably the worst ever because it's

[17:01] literally just like walking down a

[17:02] hallway or shoehorning in the Green

[17:05] Goblin when really the movie didn't need

[17:07] him, you know, and was a big

[17:08] distraction. Do you guys based on this?

[17:11] So, let's assume that the next thing is

[17:14] this good, right, where they commit to

[17:15] the genre and everything this much. Do

[17:18] you have a Sony verse spin-off apart

[17:20] from Craven 2, which we all want, that

[17:22] you would really like for them to to

[17:24] make based on like spider stories? In

[17:26] fact, the other day, um, Alex, you

[17:28] mentioned a an R-rated a mature only

[17:31] Spider-Man movie that sounds terrible

[17:33] terms terrible to me that I would never

[17:36] want to see. Is there something you guys

[17:38] want to see, though? Well, this is

[17:39] actually going backwards, but the

[17:41] project they didn't end up doing, Silk,

[17:43] which was going to be show run by Angela

[17:45] Kang of Walking Dead. I was very

[17:47] interested in that. I used to cover

[17:49] Walking Dead a ton. Talked to Angela

[17:51] Kang a lot. She's a very smart writer,

[17:53] very thoughtful, and really took that

[17:56] show from a janky couple of seasons to

[17:58] give it a pretty satisfying ending at

[18:00] the end of the day. So, I was excited to

[18:02] see what she was going to do with Silk.

[18:03] And when they canled that, I was a

[18:05] little bummed. For people that don't

[18:07] know, I don't know what they were going

[18:08] to do in the show, but the basic thing

[18:09] about Sulk was she was also bit by the

[18:11] spider that bit Peter Parker and was

[18:14] then locked in a bunker by her parents

[18:16] for decades. So, she didn't experience

[18:19] the outside world. Um, and that's why

[18:21] you didn't know that she existed before

[18:22] then, but she has the same uh powers.

[18:25] There's I think some agorophobia going

[18:27] on there if I remember correctly. Um,

[18:29] and I don't know. I It would have been

[18:31] interesting to see that. Maybe they went

[18:32] for the nic not maybe they went for the

[18:34] Nicholas Cage thing instead because they

[18:36] could sell a movie star in there versus

[18:38] potentially whoever was going to do

[18:40] Silk. But

[18:41] >> I don't know, maybe if Spider Noir is

[18:43] successful, they can go back uh and

[18:45] reassess that because I think it was an

[18:47] interesting project.

[18:48] >> Silk had a bit of a controversial thing

[18:50] too. Dan Slott, who created the

[18:51] character years later, said um he

[18:53] regretted there's one thing about Silk

[18:56] where she and Peter are always horny for

[18:57] each other because they were bitten by

[18:59] the same spider. He said he regretted

[19:00] that because it played into Asian

[19:02] stereotypes, which I was not even aware

[19:04] of those stereotypes until Dan Slott

[19:06] apologized for them.

[19:07] >> Um but still, I presume if Spider-man

[19:10] wouldn't even have been in it, so that

[19:11] wouldn't have been a thing in the

[19:13] series. But interesting. Tommy, were you

[19:14] going to chime in?

[19:15] >> Well, yeah. I just think like on a fun

[19:17] side, I would love if they did an

[19:19] animated Spiderham series. Like if they

[19:21] just did a

[19:21] >> Oh, that would be great.

[19:22] >> 20 minute episodes of Spiderham's World.

[19:26] Like I think I think that that also is

[19:28] something they could do relatively easil

[19:30] like not I mean it's tough to do

[19:32] animation, but it's like that's not a

[19:33] huge ambitious project that could be

[19:36] done really well. give us like, you

[19:38] know, 10 episodes of an animated

[19:39] Spiderham series and get more Goodwill

[19:42] and then and then maybe, you know, try

[19:44] something more ambitious a couple years

[19:45] down the line.

[19:47] >> I would like to see a Spiderham series

[19:49] done in the style and animation quality

[19:53] of a Saturday morning cartoon.

[19:55] >> Oh, yeah.

[19:55] >> Maybe maybe because I've been watching a

[19:57] lot of He-Man stuff lately for the video

[19:59] we put out today. Um, but that to me, if

[20:02] you go back to that, because there were

[20:04] some great, like Beetlejuice was a great

[20:06] Saturday morning cartoon and it was a

[20:07] lot of fun and kind of manicaniacs, you

[20:09] know, I think there are creatives out

[20:10] there who you could hand that to and

[20:12] that would be fantastic. But I think

[20:14] what they run into with streaming is

[20:16] >> they'll do the absolute minimum number

[20:19] of episodes that they can get away with

[20:21] and call it a season of television so

[20:22] they can keep cost down,

[20:24] >> right?

[20:24] >> Because they want you to subscribe to

[20:25] see that show and they don't care if you

[20:27] keep watching after that. But the

[20:29] Spiderham would be great. I in terms of

[20:31] live action, maybe this is just me

[20:32] thinking, okay, well, period dramas,

[20:34] what else can we do?

[20:36] I I love the idea if they were ever

[20:39] going to do a Silver Sable story. Silver

[20:41] Sable's one of the few characters they

[20:42] were talking about doing a spin-off with

[20:44] where I was like, that kind of makes

[20:45] sense because she's, you know, got this

[20:48] international espionage thing. She's

[20:50] tied to her home country. She is a

[20:52] character who you feel like was on her

[20:55] own journey and then she her journey

[20:58] wandered into Spider-Man whereas

[20:59] everybody else tends to just revolve

[21:01] around Spider-Man. So I thought maybe

[21:02] something set in the 1960s do some cold

[21:05] war espionage. That would be really fun.

[21:08] Catch me if you can but in a spiderish

[21:10] universe. Something to do with

[21:12] Spider-Man. I think

[21:12] >> can I throw two more quick ideas onto

[21:15] the pile while we're doing

[21:17] >> one? I think it would be fun to have a

[21:18] Daily Bugle show.

[21:20] >> Yes. I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING.

[21:22] >> OH MAN.

[21:23] >> Uh just from their perspective, it's a

[21:26] lot like Yeah, it's kind of like a lot

[21:28] like Gotham Central, the comic book,

[21:30] where the cops were like, "God damn it,

[21:31] that Batman, I hate that." And that book

[21:33] was great. They took a lot of that and

[21:35] used that for Gotham and then kind of

[21:38] threw it.

[21:38] >> I thought that's all Gotham should have

[21:39] been, but that's a different rant. Yeah.

[21:42] >> Um but that would be super fun. The

[21:44] other one, which 100% never happened,

[21:46] uh, for reasons that will become

[21:48] abundantly obvious when I say this out

[21:49] loud, but I legitimately think a great

[21:51] live action show would be Madame Webb.

[21:54] >> The setup that you have at the end

[21:55] there, it's Charlie's Angels, right?

[21:58] Like Madame Webb sends them out on

[22:00] missions every single week, those three

[22:02] Spider Girls.

[22:03] >> That would be super fun.

[22:04] >> And and they are also at this point big

[22:07] stars. I mean, how hilarious is it that

[22:10] Sydney Sweeney did a superhero movie and

[22:12] that's

[22:13] >> that's the one it was. That's absolutely

[22:15] crazy to me. Or I cannot remember the

[22:18] other actor's name, but she's also very

[22:19] great.

[22:20] >> Um,

[22:21] >> all right. Let me ask you guys, let's

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[24:09] will. So, let's talk about the budget

[24:11] for this thing, guys. $400

[24:14] million.

[24:16] That's crazy. Some outlets are saying

[24:18] that number is exaggerated. But here's

[24:20] where this news comes from. Okay. A

[24:23] stunt member who worked on Spider-Man

[24:24] Noir claimed that they shot on a true

[24:26] noir set with most of the buildings

[24:28] painted green, brown, and pink to

[24:30] contrast better in black and white. The

[24:32] color pass was originally not planned

[24:33] and required a year of re-shoots and new

[24:35] sets to be built. We do have a still for

[24:38] this I was supposed to put up the whole

[24:39] time. Another crew member named Arsenio

[24:42] J. Alvarez, badass name by the way, uh,

[24:45] specifically said it was Amazon who

[24:47] wanted the color pass and not Sony

[24:49] because they produced it together. So,

[24:50] because of this, the rumored budget for

[24:51] the first season was $400 million,

[24:53] although some outlets are saying that

[24:55] number is exaggerated. Holy crap. Can

[24:58] you imagine that? How in the hell did

[25:00] they start off in black and white and

[25:02] then the studio noticed?

[25:04] It's fascinating to me because my

[25:06] understanding without knowing the

[25:07] technology was that True Hue, which is

[25:10] what they referred to the the color

[25:11] version as, was just they went in and

[25:14] digitally colored the black and white

[25:15] film. And I guess I didn't realize that

[25:17] they had re they had shot everything

[25:19] twice.

[25:20] >> Well, they didn't exactly. There's so

[25:22] many weird conflicting reports about

[25:24] this, including this uh threads post

[25:26] that we put up here. It's very confusing

[25:28] because I had heard Nicholas Cage said

[25:30] in interviews that the color was because

[25:32] of him. That he specifically felt like

[25:34] teens he said didn't want to watch black

[25:36] and white so he wanted to make sure

[25:38] there was a color version. There was a

[25:40] story I want to say it was in Esquire

[25:43] before the show came out where they

[25:44] talked about that they basically used

[25:46] this tech where they shot it with two

[25:48] plates in the same camera. So they did

[25:51] shoot black and white but were able to

[25:55] get it in color digitally as well at the

[25:58] same time. And then what they did was

[26:00] kind of turn it up a little bit. And so

[26:01] that's why I was surprised to see this

[26:03] threads post because the way that I

[26:04] understood it is like they lit

[26:06] everything for black and white. They

[26:08] shot it for black and white, but because

[26:10] they knew it was going to be in color,

[26:11] when you do watch it in color, you see

[26:13] it's not it's not the pinks and greens

[26:16] and all the things that you do for

[26:17] faking for black and white. it is coats

[26:19] that pop and backgrounds that pop and

[26:21] things like that. So, so I'm I'm not

[26:24] sure exactly what is the truth here,

[26:27] >> right? Probably somewhere something in

[26:29] the middle. But I will say, like I said

[26:31] at the beginning of this video, you

[26:32] know, we have Amazon co-producing

[26:34] Masters of the Universe this weekend as

[26:36] well. And by all accounts, I think the

[26:38] budget, they said somewhere between 200

[26:40] and 250 million for it. And I don't

[26:42] think there was ever a world where they

[26:44] imagined that it would make like the its

[26:46] opening box office would make even half

[26:49] of that. Maybe half, but like you know,

[26:51] I think estimations for it are coming in

[26:53] around like 40 to 50 million for this

[26:55] weekend. And they seem fine with it.

[26:57] Like it's like Amazon I mean it's Jeff

[26:59] Bezos is one of the richest men in the

[27:01] world. He's the leader of Amazon

[27:03] obviously. So it feels to me like I said

[27:05] that like I can almost believe that the

[27:08] budget ballooned to 400 million. I doubt

[27:11] it's that actual number, but I bet you

[27:14] that they started with a pretty

[27:15] substantial budget as well because

[27:16] Amazon is like much like Netflix is one

[27:19] of the few studios that is still

[27:20] throwing huge amounts of money at

[27:23] projects just kind of being go make it.

[27:25] Yeah. Apple, too.

[27:26] >> Apple Apple's cos the purse strings a

[27:27] bit, but they do as well. I kind of

[27:28] think with um He-Man,

[27:31] they probably looked at it and said,

[27:32] "Well, it's it's Mattel. It's another

[27:34] Barbie thing. So, this now we'll do a

[27:36] Barbie that appeals to the male market."

[27:37] which by the way is incredibly silly

[27:40] because Barbie is a fantastic film

[27:41] whether you grow playing with them or

[27:43] not. Yeah.

[27:44] >> Well, this movie not as good, but I do

[27:46] enjoy

[27:46] >> I know I know this isn't a Masters of

[27:48] the Universe box office stream or

[27:50] anything like that, but I think the

[27:51] other part of it which you can't

[27:53] discount is they're selling toys off of

[27:55] it on Amazon. So, that's how ultimately

[28:00] they're not going to make as much money

[28:01] the movie, but yeah, they're going to

[28:02] get to that. And I don't know how that

[28:03] feeds into Spider Noir because I doubt

[28:05] the Spider-Man Noir comic books are

[28:07] flying off the Amazon shelves right now.

[28:09] But

[28:10] >> I don't know.

[28:11] >> Well, again, like think about when

[28:13] Spider-Man when Spider Noir would have

[28:14] been green lit, right? So, probably two,

[28:17] three years ago, right around the time

[28:19] Spiderverse came out was a huge hit. So,

[28:21] I think that Sony was, you know, trying

[28:23] to shop it around and they obviously,

[28:25] you know, maybe weren't looking to do

[28:26] Disney Plus because there's all these

[28:28] weird copyright things with TV and

[28:30] Marvel and Spider-Man. So, in a lot of

[28:32] ways, Apple was the right fit because

[28:34] they would pour money into it just to

[28:36] have more exclusive uh I hate this word,

[28:38] but it is really content for their

[28:39] streaming service. And they don't really

[28:41] have any superhero stuff on there. So, I

[28:43] think it's almost like, you know, you

[28:44] want that quadrant that they always talk

[28:46] about where they need more of like thing

[28:49] X on their streaming service. So, it

[28:50] feels like you have to have that

[28:51] streaming service. It's what HBO did for

[28:54] decades. That's how they attracted so

[28:55] many people. Well, and that's why the

[28:56] release schedule for Spider Noir is so

[28:58] weird to me because what you're saying

[29:00] 100% makes sense to have the people from

[29:03] the boys at Invincible who are like,

[29:05] "Where's my next superhero show?" And

[29:06] just like, "Great,

[29:07] >> we're going to put it up one or two

[29:09] episodes on MGM Plus, which none of you

[29:11] subscribe to." And then we're going to

[29:12] dump every single episode in two

[29:14] different colors on Amazon instead of

[29:17] rolling it out weekly when people we

[29:19] would have been talking about this for

[29:20] eight weeks. It's crazy to me.

[29:22] >> I know. I I never understand when

[29:23] streaming services will take a proven IP

[29:25] and do this. Now with Netflix and their

[29:27] model, I get it a lot of the time. Like

[29:30] if they would have dropped say Squid

[29:31] Game week by week, nobody would have

[29:33] ever watched it. You needed to binge

[29:35] that show. Uh but again, it's I think

[29:38] it's because we think of the model for

[29:40] streaming in terms of longevity. You

[29:42] know, like if if we like a show that

[29:44] runs for 20 episodes and it releases

[29:46] every week, we look at that and go,

[29:48] "Well, I'll be subscribed for 20 weeks."

[29:50] They have data that probably shows that

[29:53] if there's a show on Netflix that I like

[29:54] and it's eight episodes and I watch it

[29:56] in two days, um I'm just I'm not going

[29:58] to cancel statistically right after.

[30:00] It's too much of a hassle to cancel.

[30:02] There's other stuff to watch. It'd be

[30:04] very weird to finish the last episode of

[30:06] something and go, "Huh,

[30:08] >> log into accounts. Let's do this." Like,

[30:11] nobody does that, you know? And I think

[30:13] that they just bank on us forgetting we

[30:14] have subscriptions. Or like you said,

[30:16] Alex, we've watched Invincible. We've

[30:18] watched The Boys. Oh, wait. Don't leave

[30:20] yet. Here's Spider Noir. And then it's,

[30:22] oh, don't leave yet because we have VOT

[30:24] Rising. And they always try to keep a

[30:25] constant stream of something. But

[30:27] honestly, like I don't think a lot of

[30:28] people have finished the season yet

[30:29] anyways,

[30:30] >> just based on like the metric I have

[30:32] right now of how many people are

[30:33] watching and the views on our review

[30:35] video. People are taking their time and

[30:37] I'm glad because I don't think this is a

[30:39] show you should binge watch and, you

[30:40] know, watch on from your phone like

[30:42] this.

[30:44] >> Um, let's get to a couple super chats

[30:45] here, guys. Um, Arman, who I believe is

[30:49] one of our store owner members, thank

[30:50] you so much, gave us five pounds and

[30:53] said, "Hot take the color version is

[30:54] very good. The collars and suits all

[30:56] felt right for the era and not at all

[30:58] like it's an afterthought. The color

[30:59] grading is fun." Do you guys have a

[31:01] preference?

[31:02] >> Black and white 100% for me. They

[31:06] definitely lit it for that. They

[31:08] definitely made it for that. Uh, the

[31:10] color stuff I agree when they're on set

[31:13] looks really good. The problem for me is

[31:15] the second they get outside, the

[31:18] lighting is all off. Like particularly,

[31:20] there was one scene that really stuck

[31:21] with me where Lom Moore and Morris and

[31:23] Nicholas Cage were sitting on a park

[31:25] bench outside on their back lot and you

[31:27] could just see the makeup caked on

[31:29] Nicholas Cage. The hair looks fake and

[31:31] everything and it's like

[31:33] >> ah this isn't working.

[31:35] >> Yeah, I I agree. Black and white's the

[31:37] way to go with it. Although I did watch

[31:38] probably the majority of it in the true

[31:41] hue color because I am a teenager at

[31:44] heart and reject.

[31:46] >> I watched most of it in color just for

[31:48] um Easter egg observation because I

[31:50] noticed when I watched the trailer I

[31:52] missed a few things that were in black

[31:53] and white. So I am I am now going to get

[31:55] to go rewatch it in color or in black

[31:57] and white with my wife. I will say you

[31:59] and Alex that's a great um observation

[32:03] about like the fight at the end between

[32:05] him and Megawatt out in the street does

[32:08] not look great and I haven't seen it in

[32:10] black and white yet. U I did think

[32:12] however the scene where Cat sings in the

[32:14] club is fantastic in color. It really

[32:18] pops to the point where I would tell

[32:19] everybody just go watch that scene in

[32:21] color. That's really great. But yeah,

[32:23] they definitely had a pallet of Pulp

[32:26] magazine covers and they stuck to it.

[32:29] >> Yeah. And the I mean about the fight

[32:31] thing, I will say since I sort of

[32:33] switched back and forth and I ended up

[32:35] watching not the show completely twice,

[32:37] but like tried to watch most of it in

[32:39] color and most of it in black and white.

[32:41] The black and white really smooths over

[32:44] a lot of the fight stuff. Like the car

[32:46] fight in the second episode, is it the

[32:49] third episode? uh looks great in black

[32:52] and white. Once you switch over to

[32:53] color, you're like, h, I don't know

[32:54] about this. I don't know. This looks a

[32:56] little fakey. Um, and it emphasizes the

[32:58] whole goofy Batman 66 nature of some of

[33:01] it, and that's good. So, if you do

[33:03] prefer color, more power to you, but I

[33:06] would say black and white all day, every

[33:07] day.

[33:08] >> I just think Nicholas Cage wasn't

[33:10] performing for I don't He may have said

[33:11] we should do a color version, but his

[33:13] performance is not for a color movie. It

[33:15] just isn't like it is like hey,

[33:19] you know, like doing that whole like

[33:20] growl like I couldn't even find a

[33:23] detective like that's not what Humphrey

[33:24] Bogart actually sounds like in the

[33:26] Maltese Falcon, but that's what we think

[33:27] he sounds like in the Maltese Falcon.

[33:29] >> My favorite thing about this is that he

[33:31] goes another layer in when he's imp when

[33:33] he's trying to break into the apartment

[33:35] complex and he calls himself uh Boris

[33:38] Carlo and then he's like, "Oh, maybe

[33:40] it's under my stage name." nine Frank N.

[33:46] >> That was the part

[33:47] >> very Beverly Hills cop.

[33:48] >> All of that that and him going and

[33:51] talking to the different cops and using

[33:52] a different accent each time was so

[33:54] crazy to me because I'm like you're

[33:56] already in a film noir paste and now

[33:58] you're doing film noir accents in the

[34:00] this is wild. It's great.

[34:03] >> And he knew what he was doing, man. He

[34:04] understood the assignment. Phila from

[34:06] Down Under gave us eight Australian

[34:07] dollars and said, "Love the show. The

[34:09] noir aesthetic was pitch perfect. the

[34:11] framing beautiful and the performance is

[34:12] captivating. Lots of pays for Doug.

[34:15] Well, I'll get I'll pass that on to Doug

[34:17] um here in a minute. And Doug Doug got

[34:18] some shots this week. He didn't react

[34:20] well to them, so I uh I had to give him

[34:22] some extra attention this week. He's

[34:24] doing great now. He's up and running

[34:25] around. He was shaking. I looked down at

[34:27] him. He was like like shaking from fever

[34:29] and I was like, "My dog's dying." He's

[34:31] doing good now. I'll pass on that treat

[34:32] for him.

[34:33] >> Yeah. all around. It's weird because I

[34:36] feel like bad superhero things um that

[34:41] come out actually do more damage than

[34:44] the good things do good at this point

[34:46] because people are maybe you can call it

[34:48] superhero fatigue, maybe you can call it

[34:49] mid fatigue, but it seems like when

[34:51] something truly great comes out, it

[34:54] doesn't get like the popular attention

[34:57] that things used to like with W division

[34:59] and stuff like that where everybody was

[35:00] talking about it, which could just be

[35:02] that we're numb to it. I don't know

[35:04] curious how that passes on to Star Wars

[35:06] but go ahead.

[35:06] >> Yes, for sure. And I also think though

[35:08] that there is a rush to declare

[35:11] something not being talked about on the

[35:13] internet because I could I can't tell

[35:14] you how many times on X when I looked

[35:16] for Spider Noir discourse there was a

[35:18] tweet that was some flavor posted over

[35:20] and over again by like why am I not

[35:22] hearing anyone talk about Spider Noir

[35:24] with like 50 respon I mean it's great

[35:26] engagement bait because 50 response

[35:28] that's all everyone's talking like

[35:30] anyone I that watches stuff like this is

[35:32] talking about it. So, I feel like I

[35:34] think that the binge release of this is

[35:36] hurting its like being a phenomenon in

[35:39] terms of people talking about it, like I

[35:41] think if it was building and we were

[35:43] like, you know,

[35:45] >> getting to enjoy this weekly or drop do

[35:47] do it like how the boys used to do it

[35:49] where it was like drop two one week or

[35:51] three to start and then, you know, get

[35:52] everyone hooked on it and then release

[35:54] them week by week. But I I think I do

[35:56] think some of the thing like there's an

[35:58] urge anytime something comes out whether

[36:00] it's a movie to declare it dead at the

[36:01] box office after Thursday night previews

[36:03] or if it's a TV show to declare it

[36:06] nobody's watching it because it's going

[36:07] to guarantee that you get engagement on

[36:09] it.

[36:11] >> Yeah, it makes sense.

[36:12] >> Yeah. And I think a lot of it also I

[36:14] mean there's a lot of things going on

[36:15] there. One, uh the conversation I feel

[36:18] like has turned from superhero fatigue

[36:20] to just franchise IP fatigue more than

[36:23] anything. You know, we've been talking

[36:24] about that a lot with

[36:26] >> back rooms obsession. There's the basic

[36:28] digital circus.

[36:30] >> Yeah.

[36:30] >> And the Monsterverse is another proof of

[36:32] that. And the Fast Movies, which used to

[36:33] be Billiondollar Behemoths. They're all

[36:35] kind of losing steam. Sputter to the

[36:37] end. Yeah.

[36:38] >> The audience is tired of it. They're

[36:40] tired of feeling like, "God, I got to

[36:42] see this for my homework. This is my job

[36:44] to do this thing rather than this is the

[36:46] fun thing. I can relax and see." And so

[36:47] whether it's good or not, it almost

[36:49] doesn't matter. And clearly the three of

[36:51] us like Spider Noir. Mostly everybody

[36:53] I've talked to also likes Spider Noir,

[36:55] but that's a wall where people are like,

[36:57] I don't want to see that. And it's a

[36:58] bummer because this is the first time in

[37:01] what is it 50 years or so that we've had

[37:03] a liveaction Spider-Man show. And they

[37:06] should have been treating it like that

[37:08] instead of, mind you, it is a weird

[37:11] project when you're like, "Oh, it's a

[37:13] liveaction Spider-Man show that's set in

[37:16] 1933 starring Nicholas Cage as a film

[37:18] noir Spider-Man called not Spider-Man,

[37:21] but the Spider." Also, he's not Peter

[37:23] Parker. He's Ben Riley. Also, he's a

[37:25] different character than he was in

[37:26] animation. Enjoy. So, like there's a lot

[37:28] of

[37:29] >> Oh, and also you can watch in two

[37:30] different ways. It's black and white and

[37:31] it's color. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[37:33] >> Yeah. Uh unless

[37:35] >> Yeah. It's too many things like so there

[37:38] are a lot of walls there for people to

[37:40] get into this specific show, but I don't

[37:42] know. I feel like there was a way for

[37:44] them to sell it or figure out just being

[37:46] like, "Check out the first liveaction

[37:48] Spider-Man show in 50 years." That would

[37:50] have been cool to people because

[37:52] generally people like Spider-Man.

[37:55] >> To that point, Arman also adds for two

[37:57] pounds, it's a miracle that this show is

[37:59] not a surf Dracula. It really, it is

[38:02] crazy. You see something like this, you

[38:04] hear about it, you go, "Oh boy, I that

[38:06] sounds I remember there have been so

[38:07] many things I have heard about. Hell,

[38:09] when I heard the title Wanda Vision, I

[38:10] thought that sounds awful. God, what are

[38:13] they doing?" You know, I love when I'm

[38:14] wrong about stuff. This thing I was

[38:16] never questioning. I was like, if this

[38:18] is a real project and not just a dumb

[38:19] rumor I've heard, I think it's going to

[38:21] be great. Gio Katsi gave us five euros

[38:23] and said, "The way to go for Sony is the

[38:25] opposite of Marvel. You have the

[38:27] animated movies plus characters and

[38:30] expand their story or backstory in

[38:32] individual shows." I don't think it's

[38:34] the opposite. I kind of think that's

[38:35] what Marvel does. I think they have, you

[38:38] know, Well, I mean, I understand what

[38:40] they mean by that, though. Marvel

[38:41] definitely like would start with a big

[38:43] project like Civil War and then spin

[38:45] characters off from that. I just think

[38:47] if you make something and it works and

[38:48] people like it, stick with it. I think

[38:50] it's that simple. Whatever grabs

[38:52] people's imagination. You had Nicholas

[38:53] Cage voicing an animated character and

[38:55] he wanted to keep doing it.

[38:57] >> Take the win.

[38:59] >> And like we were talking about earlier,

[39:01] just have a bunch of things that are not

[39:04] connected. They're all in their own

[39:05] universes. They're all their own shows

[39:07] running. People will accept it. And if

[39:11] they do work, you know, let's say random

[39:13] example, you put out five shows. two of

[39:16] them work, three of them don't work.

[39:18] Follow those two shows. Those two shows

[39:20] can cross over then and you don't have

[39:22] to worry about the other three.

[39:24] >> Yeah. Don't feel like you're obligated

[39:25] to go back to the Incredible Hulk. Uh,

[39:27] you know, 16 years later, Ric Flair's

[39:29] hairs gave us five bucks and says, "Hey,

[39:31] Tommy, can we get a Ric Flair?" Woo! As

[39:33] Nick Cage

[39:36] >> as Wow, that's layered. Okay. Yeah. So,

[39:39] >> yeah, you're an actor.

[39:42] Well, I'm a highflying limousine driving

[39:46] wheel and dealing KISS STEALING SON OF A

[39:52] >> Very good. Very good. I got asked to do

[39:55] a who day earlier. Um, you know, my

[39:57] wife's my wife wrote this play with

[39:59] Colobby Mini and another and Alice. Oh

[40:02] my god, what's the last tickets are on

[40:04] sale now? Yeah, Kremlberg. Thank you.

[40:05] and Alice Krimlberg uh named Camping and

[40:08] uh I got to do a voice I hope makes it

[40:10] in. I got to do an old who day chant

[40:12] like well do that in my sleep that's

[40:14] from the 90s and Phil Rumba from down

[40:17] under gave us eight gave us three

[40:18] Australian dollars and said that should

[40:20] have been Pat's typo from earlier. You

[40:22] didn't have to pay the money just to

[40:23] correct your typo. Uh but we'll but we

[40:26] do appreciate it. Um let me ask you guys

[40:29] this. So, I look at this movie too and I

[40:32] think this is or the show and I think

[40:34] this is how the multiverse could have

[40:35] been done the whole time. This is how

[40:37] the multiverse if you're doing the

[40:39] multiverse saga, you could have done

[40:42] maybe a Doctor Strange movie, I brought

[40:43] this up in our review, um where instead

[40:46] of it being about the continuing

[40:48] adventures of the Doctor Strange, we

[40:49] know the whole thing is about the

[40:51] alternate universe version of Steven

[40:52] that turns evil and then our Steven

[40:54] encounters him at the end. I'm not

[40:56] saying they should have done that, but

[40:57] there are so many possibilities. I like

[40:59] to throw out a Shani movie that takes

[41:01] place in the in the gritty 1970s New

[41:03] York. Allah Joker, but that is of course

[41:05] when Shani first became a comic

[41:07] following the kung fu craz craze of the

[41:09] of the 70s.

[41:11] Spider-Man 2099 is another example. Just

[41:14] the whole 2099 universe from the 90s

[41:18] with like this cyberpunk bladeunner look

[41:21] to it was awesome. And I feel like now

[41:24] we're at the end of the multiverse saga

[41:26] and it never really got going as a

[41:28] multiverse saga. I mean, what do you

[41:29] guys think? Is this do we think that we

[41:31] would have liked to have seen more of

[41:32] these or what projects would you have

[41:33] like to have seen?

[41:36] >> I mean, definitely. I think you're

[41:37] absolutely right. Like part of the

[41:39] problem with the multiverse saga as it

[41:42] is is there aren't enough multiveres in

[41:44] the multiverse saga. Like we have the

[41:46] MCU, we have the universe where

[41:48] everything is paint. Uh we have the I'm

[41:52] forgetting the number designation, but

[41:54] we have the place that they went to with

[41:56] the Illuminati in Dr. Yeah. uh they go

[41:59] there and then

[42:01] >> where's the what if and you know then

[42:03] all those you know

[42:04] >> but they weren't gonna bring in any of

[42:06] those and like we're talking about the

[42:09] live action TV shows I think and the

[42:12] movies because the what if thing always

[42:14] felt very much the side and they should

[42:16] have gone crazier like you were saying

[42:17] had more multiveres so they didn't have

[42:19] to pull that emergency rip cord of

[42:22] bringing in the older X-Men at the end

[42:24] to give us some sort of emotional stakes

[42:26] with another universe we've barely had

[42:28] any time to get to know the Fantastic

[42:30] Four or their universe. We've had one

[42:31] movie for it. So,

[42:33] >> for it to be a multiverse saga, there

[42:35] should have been more multiverse and

[42:37] there just wasn't.

[42:40] >> Yeah. I think for me, my my issue is

[42:43] that when we do have this is the

[42:46] multiverse saga, and when we do have

[42:47] movies that are take place in different

[42:49] multiverses, we tend not to stay in any

[42:51] other different multiverse long enough.

[42:53] It's like they're literally falling

[42:55] through them in that one scene in

[42:56] Multiverse of Madness. And Yes, we stay

[42:58] in A38 for a while, but like

[43:01] >> the I would I would almost prefer to see

[43:04] the what's going on in that universe or

[43:07] in that multiverse before our

[43:10] protagonists enter it. Like, you know

[43:12] what I mean? Like it's almost like they

[43:13] they imagine a it's like a movie styling

[43:15] where like the everything stops once

[43:17] they leave the room and it only life

[43:19] resumes once they walk once Stephen

[43:21] Strange enters the multiverse. Then

[43:23] people start moving around and doing

[43:24] stuff. It's like I think if they took

[43:26] their time and established different

[43:28] multiveres in this in this uh in in

[43:31] these in these movies, it would have

[43:33] been a more satisfying conclusion.

[43:35] Whereas instead, we're kind of left with

[43:36] a couple montages and one Fantastic 4

[43:39] movie and and one 25minute sequence on

[43:41] 838

[43:43] >> and what if and Loki doing all the heavy

[43:45] lifting for explaining all this too.

[43:46] Yeah, it's the same thing we keep

[43:48] talking about with the multiverse saga.

[43:50] They just when you when you get a

[43:52] mandate from corporate that says we want

[43:54] you to do x number of hour double the

[43:56] number of hours whatever it is you just

[43:58] kind of reach a logistical point where

[44:00] you actually can't do Avengers movies

[44:03] like you can't schedule that many people

[44:05] together you can't make that movie while

[44:07] you're also making all of these shows so

[44:09] we did miss out on some cool crossover

[44:11] opportunities like I keep thinking about

[44:12] like Moonnight and Ramatut like two just

[44:15] kind of fit like Konchu could have been

[44:18] >> um appearing in a Kang project or

[44:20] something like that. But I'm also just

[44:22] like lamenting that there's all this

[44:23] great multiversal stuff from the comics

[44:25] and all this other great stuff like the

[44:27] the the old the three generations of

[44:29] Thors that appear in the Jason Aaron run

[44:32] that could have just been part of time

[44:34] travel stories that had they been had

[44:36] the the luxury of a little bit more

[44:38] breath they could have planned out. And

[44:39] I guess that's the great thing about

[44:40] what Sony has going on. They don't have

[44:42] a ticking time bomb of an Avengers movie

[44:46] they have to build toward. They can

[44:47] literally at this point wait for the

[44:49] right script. And I don't think their

[44:50] corporate was doing that before. I think

[44:53] they were saying, "No, no, no. We we we

[44:55] got to get our movies out. We got to do

[44:56] our crossover. We need our Avengers

[44:58] movie." And now, hell, they're partnered

[44:59] with Amazon to get all the money in the

[45:01] world on this so they can take all

[45:02] the time they want.

[45:04] >> Yeah. I hope they do. I hope they

[45:06] actually take that beat and think about

[45:08] it and don't suddenly

[45:11] panic and pull back to, oh, we got to do

[45:13] a null thing again and we got to bring

[45:15] back Craven and we got to do the El

[45:16] Muerto movie to tie in and we got to

[45:18] find out what's going on with MorbiiUs

[45:20] and that cornfield and whatever is going

[45:22] on there.

[45:22] >> Remember Elto with Bad Bunny? Wow.

[45:26] >> Yeah.

[45:27] >> Yeah. That's how I heard of that

[45:29] character for the first time. And that's

[45:31] pretty rare for me when they announced

[45:32] something. I'm like, "Oh, cool." Like

[45:34] I've heard at least you know you're

[45:35] aware in the comments you've heard of

[45:36] people even if you haven't picked up the

[45:38] actual issue but I was like the hell is

[45:40] that? Uh Jordan Enrique gave us $5 and

[45:43] said so is he Peter Parker because

[45:45] Freckles mentions that he couldn't find

[45:47] him because Nicholas Cage changed his

[45:48] name to Ben Riley. Yeah he's Peter

[45:50] Parker.

[45:52] >> Right. I think that was a cool way for

[45:53] them to acknowledge it legally.

[45:55] >> They didn't they didn't say Peter Parker

[45:58] though, right? They didn't say what his

[45:59] actual name was. They just said that he

[46:00] changed his name. That was such a that

[46:03] moment in Madame Webb where they could

[46:04] never say the baby's name is Peter

[46:06] Barker then Dr. the wall. I'm like come

[46:09] on.

[46:09] >> They should have in Madam Web. They

[46:10] should have called him the child.

[46:15] >> The vessel. My little hero.

[46:19] >> Grou Park.

[46:20] >> Ben Riley Grou Park.

[46:24] Oh man, that movie when I got I don't

[46:26] know if you guys have watched Madam Web

[46:28] lately, but I swear to God watching her

[46:29] not open a Pepsi can. And I think people

[46:31] make fun of her to be like she doesn't

[46:32] know how. And I think No, no, no. I

[46:34] think it's because they wanted her to do

[46:36] it and drink the delicious Pepsi and she

[46:38] was so over working on the shitty movie

[46:40] that she refused to do it.

[46:42] >> And in every I will swear, people might

[46:45] flame me for this. Madam Web is maybe

[46:47] the most fun I had in a superhero movie

[46:49] that entire year. Like it's legitimately

[46:52] a good time in the movie theater. I was

[46:54] laughing and howling the entire time.

[46:55] And like

[46:56] >> Dakota Johnson very funny. I will I will

[46:59] swear by it.

[47:00] >> Did you see the critic screening of

[47:01] Madame Webb?

[47:03] >> No.

[47:03] >> Or Okay. So I went to the critic screen.

[47:05] Now you normally went in New York, you

[47:07] get invited to these screenings and they

[47:08] have them at AMC big, you know, they

[47:10] invite a lot of people. This particular

[47:12] screening was um at like a really nice

[47:15] corporate office in a very small

[47:16] screening room. It's like what I imagine

[47:19] like rich people their size screening

[47:20] room you like the White House screening

[47:22] room that doesn't exist anymore but like

[47:24] that's the size that it was. So it was

[47:26] very few critics howling because the

[47:28] critics are catching all the technical

[47:30] things like the bad ADR from Ezekiel and

[47:32] stuff like that. That is like the most

[47:35] I've ever felt connected to my peer

[47:37] group in this industry. It was great.

[47:40] And like immediately Harriet who saw the

[47:42] movie with me, our one of our producers,

[47:44] like invited friends over to go watch it

[47:47] like for her. I think it's become an

[47:50] annual thing for her since then. Man,

[47:52] >> Craven's got its fair share, too,

[47:54] though. When Calypso says, "My grand

[47:56] then my grandmother died. I never saw

[47:58] her after that."

[48:00] >> Yeah.

[48:02] >> Have I told you guys my my Craven story

[48:04] when I was

[48:04] >> I love this story. Tell it again for I

[48:06] haven't heard it.

[48:07] >> So, I was at the world premiere. It was

[48:08] in New York. And a couple things I, you

[48:11] know, little things I want to know.

[48:12] Aaron Taylor Johnson knew he was in a

[48:15] turd burger, but kept did not like walk

[48:18] out at the end. Stayed, talked to press,

[48:20] smiled, did the whole thing. He was like

[48:22] a real class act about it. So I I have a

[48:24] lot of respect for how that guy handled

[48:26] himself at this thing. The guy who

[48:27] played Young Craven, I saw him coming

[48:29] back from the bathroom after and he

[48:33] just not like nobody following him,

[48:35] nobody like he looked so sad. I felt so

[48:37] bad for him.

[48:39] >> But my favorite part of the story is

[48:40] when the director came out to introduce

[48:43] the movie and talk about it. He said,

[48:45] "Well, I just um

[48:48] how did he put it?" He said,

[48:51] "I can't thank you all for coming here

[48:52] tonight.

[48:56] I can't thank you enough. I can't thank

[48:58] you for coming here tonight." Like, you

[49:00] could tell like everyone just knew. I've

[49:02] never been at a an event that big

[49:04] >> where people weren't I like the

[49:06] Ghostbusters Afterlife premiere. I went

[49:07] to that, right? I hated that movie, but

[49:09] the Ghostbusters were there, you know,

[49:11] like everybody was super pumped to be

[49:13] there. They thought they'd made a good

[49:14] movie. They were wrong. This movie, you

[49:16] could tell everybody was despondent

[49:18] about it.

[49:19] >> They're like, "God, no."

[49:21] >> Which which is why it's so cool that

[49:23] Aaron Taylor Johnson was such a class

[49:24] actor about it. Everybody was like, they

[49:26] all did their job. By the way, I don't

[49:27] know who Ariana Dewal's Asian is, but I

[49:29] hope that she's gotten new

[49:30] representation. Anyways, Monty G gave us

[49:32] $5 and said, "Just boosting." He's got

[49:34] this really nice. She gave $5 to boost

[49:36] somebody else's comment. K DK Harry G

[49:40] with a bunch of numbers says, "I finally

[49:42] made it to a live. Love you guys. Sorry

[49:44] I'm just broke." And I too, Monty G,

[49:47] >> have been there at the level of just

[49:49] broke. Thank you so much, man. I really

[49:50] appreciate it. Thanks for coming to a

[49:52] live today.

[49:52] >> Yes. Thank you.

[49:53] >> All right. I think we are going to wrap

[49:55] it up there. But before we do,

[49:57] >> one last thing to note. Nick Cage on

[50:00] season two. While speaking to Variety,

[50:01] Cage was not sure about a season two. He

[50:03] said, "I don't know, but I would say I

[50:05] can't do a Nicholas Cage impression, but

[50:06] I would say what whether it happens or

[50:08] not." What I was doing there was I've

[50:10] never tried to do a Nicholas Cage

[50:12] impression, and I thought maybe I got

[50:13] this. Maybe this is like the first time

[50:15] I did a Kermit and it'll just come out.

[50:17] So, he said, um,

[50:21] >> I don't know, but I would say that there

[50:23] whether it happens or not, all of us

[50:24] achieve what we set out to do and it

[50:27] works on its own. We'll see what

[50:28] happens. So, that's if Spotter Noir was

[50:31] played by Nicholas Gage, but um was

[50:33] played by Kermit the Frog.

[50:34] >> I don't think they're going to do it. I

[50:35] don't think they should do it. I'd love

[50:36] to see it be a one and done.

[50:38] >> Do you guys have any thoughts?

[50:40] >> I just think it's

[50:41] >> Where would Where would season two go

[50:42] even? You know,

[50:43] >> uh I would be happy to watch the second

[50:45] season because I had a fun time watching

[50:46] this first season. I think it's just

[50:48] production-wise too heavy of a lift. I

[50:51] mean, whether it cost $400 million or

[50:53] less than that, it still cost an insane

[50:55] amount of money. It took a ton of time.

[50:58] Nicholas Cage has also said in

[51:00] interviews that even though he did want

[51:01] to do TV, once he did eight hours of G,

[51:03] he was like,

[51:05] >> I'm good. That's eight movies. I'm done

[51:08] now. So, I don't know if he'd come back.

[51:10] He's also 62 years old at this point.

[51:12] So,

[51:12] >> yeah,

[51:13] >> you're going down the road. You're keep

[51:14] kicking it down the road. It's going to

[51:15] become harder and harder for him the

[51:17] further you go. But if they were to do

[51:20] it, there are a lot of storylines. They

[51:22] didn't touch on any of the story lines

[51:24] for the actual Spider-Man Noir comics.

[51:26] So, there are things that they could

[51:27] pull on there. Uh, they didn't bring in

[51:29] the Goblin who is the next Bob Boss. I

[51:32] personally think it would be hilarious

[51:33] in the comics. Silverman goes from a

[51:35] regular gangster to a old man head on a

[51:39] cyborg body. So, what if he survives?

[51:42] What happens to him at the end of the

[51:43] season and he becomes a cyborg? That

[51:45] would be great.

[51:45] >> He's got a steampunk body. That'd be

[51:46] great. Like all gears like like the Tik

[51:48] Tok man and Return to Oz.

[51:50] >> Love it.

[51:53] Sorry.

[51:54] >> Yeah,

[51:54] >> I forgot. Every time I think of that

[51:56] movie.

[51:58] >> Yeah,

[51:59] >> it's scary. That movie is terrifying.

[52:00] >> It's really scary. Yeah,

[52:03] >> that was a real thing that just

[52:04] happened. You actually watched a little

[52:06] bit of like spike trauma happen in my

[52:08] face just now. I gotta go, guys. I got

[52:10] to sort this out in therapy. All right.

[52:12] Thank you guys so much. Oh Tommy,

[52:14] look at the time.

[52:15] >> Oh god, I got to get back to work,

[52:17] fellas.

[52:20] And by the way, enjoy casual bottom

[52:21] Fridays.

[52:22] >> I will. Thank you. Always a casual

[52:24] bottom over here. See you.

[52:26] >> Bye, Alex. Thanks so much. You got

[52:28] anything coming up you want to let us

[52:29] know about?

[52:29] >> Uh, sure. I mentioned it the other day,

[52:31] but Tuesday at 7, we're going to have

[52:32] the team from IDW's The Horror of

[52:34] Godzilla, which is a black and white

[52:37] horror movie take on Godzilla, uh, from

[52:40] his origins. It's a pretty cool comic

[52:42] book. So, that's going to be on the

[52:43] comic book club channel.

[52:44] >> Great. And do you interact much with

[52:46] Heather Anttois, by the way, a long time

[52:47] ago?

[52:48] >> Um, I do. I've uh talked to her a bunch

[52:49] of times. I knew her from back in the

[52:52] day when we used to do the show live in

[52:54] a theater and she was still an assistant

[52:56] at Marvel. She used to come to the live

[52:58] show all the time. So, she's great.

[53:00] She's

[53:01] >> great. When we started doing lives, it

[53:03] became suddenly really hard to get her

[53:05] on the show because um she's a very busy

[53:07] person who travels a lot. But uh

[53:09] anyways, yeah, check that out next

[53:10] Tuesday. We'll have the link for it down

[53:11] below. Thanks, Alex.

[53:14] >> And we want to hear from you guys. What

[53:16] did you think of Spider Noir? What other

[53:17] spider related or multiverse related

[53:19] projects would you like to see next? You

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