Have we reached Peak Franchise Fatigue? - Why MOTU Bombed

[00:06] Let's rewind. Rewind.

[00:11] Welcome back to Screen Crush Rewind. I

[00:13] am your host, Ryan Ary, and today we're

[00:16] talking about the movie of my dreams,

[00:17] Masters of the Universe. This movie is

[00:20] the exact film that I wanted to see more

[00:23] than anything in the world when I was

[00:24] five years old. And now we have it, and

[00:27] we're going to talk about our thoughts

[00:28] on it. We got some uh a couple regulars

[00:30] and a special guest we're going to bring

[00:31] on in a second. So, we're going to talk

[00:33] about the film and we're going to talk

[00:34] about why the hell it didn't perform

[00:36] well at the box office. I think it might

[00:38] be an indicator of franchise fatigue.

[00:40] Now, some of you have pointed out in the

[00:41] chat, by the way, super chats are always

[00:43] encouraged but not required. Some of you

[00:45] have already pointed out that it got

[00:47] beaten by Scary Movie 6, which is

[00:49] technically a franchise, but I kind of

[00:51] think it's one of those franchises where

[00:53] you're not going to really check in on

[00:55] your favorite characters from the Scary

[00:56] Movie franchise. you're just going to

[00:58] see a comedy that you can ignore and

[01:00] forget about a week later. So, anyways,

[01:02] we're going to talk about that. We're

[01:02] going to talk about underperforming

[01:04] franchises across the board from Marvel,

[01:06] The Fast and the Furious, Mission

[01:07] Impossible, etc. And as always, let us

[01:09] know down in the comments uh what you

[01:11] think and we'll get to those as we go

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[01:25] should ask one of our guests if he wants

[01:27] to do that because I know he's a huge

[01:28] fan of that movie. But first, let's

[01:31] bring on, you know, the old regulars

[01:33] here, the guy who's always on break, Mr.

[01:34] Tommy Beck told. What's up, Tommy?

[01:37] Janet, I won't say it again. I've told

[01:39] you my origin. I'm a prince from another

[01:41] universe that was sent here with my

[01:43] magical sword. And that's why I must

[01:45] have weapons in my office at all times.

[01:47] Ryan, how are you?

[01:49] >> I'm great, man. You know what? Um,

[01:51] that's as good of an excuse as any I've

[01:53] heard to bring firepower and laser guns

[01:55] into the office. I think as long as you

[01:57] don't dress like He-Man in the office,

[01:59] that's a bridge too far for most HR. As

[02:02] long as you

[02:04] >> I do love a good harness.

[02:07] >> Uh, so I hear so I hear. By the way, we

[02:09] missed you at the club last week. And

[02:10] also coming on, you know him as a guy

[02:12] who's trapped in our TV but doesn't know

[02:14] it. So please don't tell him. Mr. Colton

[02:16] Auburn. What's up, Colton? Hey, look. I

[02:19] know I'm a regular, but I'm special as

[02:21] well. I mean, [laughter]

[02:23] regular is special. So, I

[02:26] >> Yeah, I'm not

[02:27] >> You haven't been on that much lately.

[02:28] We've been missing you.

[02:30] >> That's true. Yeah, because I

[02:32] >> I still haven't seen Spider Noir, and

[02:35] I'm I'm extremely embarrassed by that.

[02:37] You know, you know what I did?

[02:39] >> Yeah. You know what I did watch over the

[02:41] weekend? Uh the sequel to The Handmaid's

[02:44] Tale, The Testament. It's actually

[02:46] really good. The girl from um One Battle

[02:50] After Another is in it. It's actually

[02:51] quite good. Recommend it.

[02:52] >> I mean, so is The Handmaid's Tale.

[02:54] Although, at a certain season, I stopped

[02:55] watching The Handmaid's Tale

[02:57] >> just because it's a hard watch.

[02:59] >> I was about,

[03:00] >> you know, really tough.

[03:02] >> The Testaments is not as hard of a

[03:04] watch. I will say because I agree with

[03:06] you, like I you have to be in a certain

[03:08] mood to get through Handmaid's Tale, and

[03:10] you do not feel good watching that show.

[03:12] This show is actually kind of it like

[03:14] takes place after the war and stuff, so

[03:16] things are a little more hopeful anyway.

[03:17] >> Oh, the war ends. Didn't know that.

[03:19] Okay. But no, it's um Damn.

[03:22] >> No, no, no. It's still go it's still

[03:23] going on. No, it's still going.

[03:24] >> Spoiler alerts for The Handmaid's Tale

[03:27] are ahead.

[03:27] >> I should have said battle. It takes

[03:29] place after the big battle.

[03:30] >> I don't know. It's fine. I assumed that

[03:33] they weren't going to end the show.

[03:35] >> Ryan Ryan roots for Gilead as does Tom.

[03:38] >> I do. I actually I actually have a my

[03:41] proud member of Gilead badge that I keep

[03:43] on the inside of my shirt. Like if you

[03:45] flip this over, that's what it says.

[03:47] >> I invite everyone to watch mine and

[03:49] Ryan's podcast, Gilead Guys, which is a

[03:52] Gilmore Girls [laughter]

[03:55] pro masculinity podcast.

[03:57] >> Yeah, we go around the streets of New

[03:59] Haven into coffee shops and we yell at

[04:02] people for being diverse. And coming up,

[04:05] we've got our special guest for the

[04:06] week. I've been trying to nail this guy

[04:07] down for a long time. He hosts one of my

[04:10] all-time favorite YouTube channels and

[04:11] one of my all-time favorite podcasts,

[04:13] mostly nitpicking. You know him as Nando

[04:15] from Nando V Movies. What's going on,

[04:17] Nando?

[04:18] >> What's going on? I just want to, you

[04:20] know, having not watched any of that

[04:22] Handmaid's Tail show, I just want to I

[04:24] guess that an excursion is different

[04:26] from a war is different from a battle.

[04:28] You know, in our current times, nothing

[04:29] [laughter] really can be pinned down to

[04:31] any specific kind of thing. That way, no

[04:33] one's ever in trouble. So, uh, you know,

[04:35] Yeah.

[04:36] >> Yeah. Everything's there.

[04:38] >> I don't know if you guys have ever seen

[04:39] Nando's channel. It's absolutely great.

[04:41] He does um um you know, great theory

[04:44] videos where you one of my favorites is

[04:46] your Deadpool 3 video where you came up

[04:48] with your own for Deadpool

[04:48] [clears throat] 3 that involve Mojo and

[04:50] I like it so much more than the actual

[04:53] one. But you do these great rewrites of

[04:55] movies. Um and then these other great

[04:57] theory videos is how I first found your

[04:59] channel. I'm just plugging the hell out

[05:00] of Nando because I love your stuff. It's

[05:02] some field. It really I just want to say

[05:04] it's an honor to be on with you because

[05:05] for years I've been called the not as

[05:07] good Nando V movies. I've got that

[05:10] >> few times. [laughter]

[05:11] >> Have you guys

[05:12] >> Good to know

[05:14] exists with that name going out here and

[05:16] like [laughter] Yeah.

[05:18] >> The very first time Nando came on was

[05:20] actually you were on our very first

[05:22] video like this. It wasn't a live

[05:23] stream, but it was me, you, and Patrick.

[05:25] And you dropped a little theory that

[05:27] Sony, it was only a matter of time

[05:28] before they made a Manwolf movie. And

[05:30] that's never left my brain because they

[05:32] never have. And I thought Manwolf was

[05:35] one of the few things they could have

[05:36] done from the Spider-Man IP. It makes

[05:38] sense. Astronaut goes to the moon, turns

[05:40] into a wolf. It could be anything.

[05:41] >> Yeah.

[05:41] >> Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, there's

[05:43] still time. And um I haven't finished,

[05:46] you know, the Spider-Man TV show. So

[05:47] maybe it shows up in that. I'm doubtful,

[05:49] but you never know.

[05:50] >> Wait, the new one or the one from the

[05:51] 70s? Which Spider-Man TV show we talking

[05:53] about?

[05:53] >> The the Amazon Spider Noir. I am uh one

[05:57] episode complet. So I like to take my

[05:58] time with streaming releases.

[06:00] >> It's so good. And I agree. I had to

[06:02] watch it like really fast for this. You

[06:04] know, I host the show here uh on YouTube

[06:07] >> and I had to do it for that and it

[06:09] wasn't as much fun and then I get to go

[06:11] back and rewatch it in black and white

[06:12] with my wife.

[06:13] >> Can I can I say while we're glazing that

[06:14] that's something I really have Sorry,

[06:16] I'm fanboying a little bit. That's what

[06:17] I've always liked about your channel,

[06:18] Nando, is you don't feel the need, at

[06:22] least from what I've noticed, like

[06:24] >> it'll be like a week or two after

[06:25] everyone else is talking about it and

[06:27] like you'll drop and have your really

[06:28] interesting take on it. I'm like, he

[06:30] really took his time to like put some

[06:32] thoughts together. [laughter] I'm like,

[06:36] >> I like to

[06:37] >> Yeah. like throw out immediate like um

[06:40] theories or thoughts, too. But yeah,

[06:42] especially with these these, you know,

[06:44] everything goes on streaming in one

[06:45] week. feels so,

[06:47] >> you know, just feels so ephemeral. You

[06:49] need to have time to think about it,

[06:51] even if it doesn't necessarily need to

[06:53] be watched over the course of the week.

[06:54] I feel like it takes a week to process

[06:56] how you feel about a certain thing.

[06:57] >> Completely agree.

[06:58] >> But that's really smart because the

[06:59] people who are watching your channel are

[07:01] probably not watching in one day either.

[07:03] I we used to get ridiculous with this.

[07:05] Like we would get screeners for like I

[07:07] remember the first season of Sandman and

[07:09] then Paul from Heavy Spoilers and I were

[07:11] in this like weird cold war where we

[07:12] were like waiting to see who was going

[07:14] to drop their video first. So we would

[07:15] drop the next one like right after or

[07:17] right before and because we knew it was

[07:18] ridiculous. We knew that like no one's

[07:20] going to watch all eight episodes in two

[07:21] hours

[07:22] >> and that the minority of people who

[07:24] would go I'm not going to watch that

[07:25] what happens at the ending would be like

[07:26] four views. So I really respect what you

[07:28] do like Colton said

[07:31] >> it's great to take time and sometimes

[07:33] you know like with the wonder video that

[07:34] I'm going to make sometime in the next

[07:36] eight years you like like leave people

[07:38] wanting something and then it really

[07:40] gets exciting. But, uh,

[07:42] >> we've got a Captain America Civil War

[07:44] breakdown that should come out sometime

[07:45] [laughter] in 2028. I am so excited

[07:47] about it. It's It's one of my favorite

[07:49] videos I've written and it's like

[07:50] literally a couple sentences a week at

[07:52] this point. Let's talk about the movie.

[07:53] Let's talk about MOTU. Um, now I will

[07:56] say this ahead of time, Tommy, you

[07:58] weren't able to finish watching it, but

[08:00] you saw about half.

[08:02] >> Not half. My dog was uh sick this

[08:05] weekend and I thought I could leave him

[08:07] to go to see a movie and halfway through

[08:09] the movie, I just imagined all these

[08:11] catastrophic things happening to my dog.

[08:14] So, I ran home and then one visit to the

[08:16] emergency vet later, he's got an ear

[08:18] infection and a uh distressed digestive

[08:21] system, but he's no life-threatening

[08:23] condition, so he's he'll be okay. But it

[08:25] was a it was a tough weekend.

[08:28] >> Wednesday night, I've been there. And

[08:29] Wednesday night I was supposed to go see

[08:30] it, but Doug was having a reaction from

[08:32] a vaccine and he was like trembling and

[08:34] he wouldn't eat. And for Doug to not eat

[08:35] is like drastic change in personality.

[08:38] >> Um, so I didn't see it then either. Like

[08:40] I was feel last. I got my mom [laughter]

[08:44] I got my mom to keep the baby. I I

[08:46] didn't think about that [ __ ] for

[08:47] years. Yeah. [laughter]

[08:48] >> No, no, no. I did see the movie and I

[08:51] really like it. So let's go around the

[08:52] table. Tommy, if you want to offer your

[08:53] thoughts on the first hour, you can. But

[08:55] like start with Nando, buddy. What do

[08:57] you think about what you think of the

[08:58] movie? I think this is as good as a

[09:00] movie that is the Masters of the

[09:01] Universe can possibly be without like

[09:03] I'm sure there's some things you could

[09:04] tweak to make it better, but just in

[09:06] terms of like how much and as someone

[09:08] who is not an enormous fan of the

[09:10] franchise, but like I like it more than

[09:12] like other franchises that I'm not like

[09:13] really connected to. Um cuz I think I

[09:16] kind of missed out on in both windows of

[09:18] like being around for the original run

[09:20] of the toys in the show and then being

[09:21] around for like the kind of revival

[09:23] versions of them. Um, but either way, I

[09:25] thought it was a lot of fun and um I

[09:29] wish it was the most successful movie

[09:31] ever because I'd like to see like 10

[09:33] more of these because I think they're

[09:34] pretty cool.

[09:34] >> And Shira Shira love Shira. There's so

[09:38] many guys that when you Google it and

[09:40] it's like this is a different guy that

[09:41] you didn't even know existed. Like

[09:42] they're they're friends and villains.

[09:44] Like I want to see all of them on

[09:45] screen. But

[09:46] >> maybe we'll get to that. It's gonna be

[09:48] tricky.

[09:49] >> Not to mention there's so many other

[09:50] He-Man characters that aren't in this.

[09:52] like stink or they all have or or either

[09:55] or or man at the end of their name, but

[09:56] there's a lot of really cool bits of

[09:58] lore that I would love to see further

[10:00] explored. And on Emergency Awesome's

[10:02] video, he said he thinks they'll make a

[10:04] sequel for half the money and put it

[10:05] straight on streaming. And I think he's

[10:06] probably right.

[10:08] >> I mean, apart Colton, apart from like

[10:10] not having to being able to pretend like

[10:13] you're not a father for two hours,

[10:15] >> what were your thoughts on the movie?

[10:17] >> Dude,

[10:19] look, it's really hard being me, right?

[10:21] being all of us.

[10:22] >> Oh, we we all say that. Yeah,

[10:24] >> there is that side of my brain that

[10:27] wants to just sit back and watch the

[10:29] movie. But then there's the other side

[10:31] of me, as I'm sure all of you can

[10:32] relate, that I I immediately start

[10:35] rewriting the movie the second I get out

[10:37] and I'm like,

[10:38] >> they should have done this, should have

[10:39] done that. But Ryan, I was telling you

[10:41] this offline is that what kept coming

[10:44] back to me was Mark Hamill doing that

[10:46] impression of Harrison Ford where he

[10:48] goes, "Kid, it's not that kind of

[10:50] movie." [laughter]

[10:51] And that's what I kept trying to tell

[10:53] myself because

[10:54] >> look, I I do think a Masters of the

[10:57] Universe movie can be goofy and

[10:59] self-reerential and meta and be

[11:01] everything it was here, but I think it

[11:03] can also be Lord of the Rings meets Star

[11:05] Wars and be like this epic

[11:07] >> saga type franchise for today. I and I I

[11:11] feel like that it it felt more like diet

[11:14] Thor Ragnarok than it did like this epic

[11:16] Masters of the Universe thing.

[11:19] >> I like that.

[11:20] >> I just Yeah, I just had like little

[11:21] notes like it it felt like no time

[11:24] passed whatsoever and nothing of

[11:27] consequence happened when he landed. Oh,

[11:30] sorry. I'm getting some kind of

[11:31] feedback.

[11:32] >> Yeah, I am too. I don't know who's who's

[11:33] in that is about to say. Um

[11:35] >> we can do the mute rotation. Let's see.

[11:36] >> I don't know. I muted Tommy and I don't

[11:39] hear it anymore.

[11:40] >> All right,

[11:41] >> maybe Tommy that might have been on your

[11:42] end, but keep going. Sorry.

[11:44] >> Uh it it felt like when um Adam L or

[11:47] I'll be like long neck guy Allan. It

[11:49] felt like when Adam landed on Earth and

[11:52] then they say 15 years later. I just

[11:55] felt like his character didn't change at

[11:57] all. There was nothing interesting of

[11:59] like him like almost reaching this point

[12:01] where maybe he finally started to doubt

[12:03] the fact that he is from another planet.

[12:05] I I would like I expected that in the

[12:07] third act.

[12:08] >> Yeah. I would have liked to seen him

[12:09] like talking to a psychiatrist or

[12:11] something and maybe finally coming to

[12:13] grips with okay maybe something

[12:14] traumatic did happen in my childhood and

[12:16] I'm just kind of crazy and then have

[12:19] Tila and like you know Masters of the

[12:21] Universe everybody come and get him take

[12:23] him back to Eternia. I I just think they

[12:25] kind of blew past and rushed through it.

[12:27] It felt like there was no character

[12:29] development for him or any of the other

[12:31] characters that were remaining on

[12:33] Eternia. It it felt like time just kind

[12:35] of stood still so they could just age up

[12:37] the character and have him come right

[12:38] back.

[12:39] >> Well, we don't even know their real

[12:40] names on Eternia for the most part. It's

[12:42] just a name they gave him as a kid.

[12:43] Yeah.

[12:43] >> And like there's a line where uh it's

[12:45] Tila, right? I I'm not huge on the the

[12:48] original either. Uh Tila says, "And what

[12:51] did you call what did you call that

[12:52] guy?" I'm like, "What do you mean that

[12:54] guy? You don't know his name." I was She

[12:56] should be like, "And what did you call

[12:57] John?" You know, she should They've been

[12:59] hiding in just little [ __ ] like that.

[13:01] >> And

[13:02] >> I don't know. I I just felt like they

[13:03] kind of blew past a lot of important

[13:05] stuff that would have made the rest of

[13:08] the movie feel better, like it feel more

[13:11] impactful and like I I'd actually care a

[13:13] little more. It just felt a little

[13:14] shallow. But again, kid, it's not that

[13:17] kind of movie. So, I I don't know.

[13:18] >> Well, but no, you raised a good point

[13:19] because during that third act, sorry,

[13:21] Tommy, we'll get to your half opinion in

[13:22] a second. During that third act, um I

[13:25] did have the same thought when he's in

[13:26] He-Man's mind and it seemed like

[13:28] Skeletor was trying to convince him of

[13:30] this. Oh, it was all fake, blah, blah,

[13:31] blah. and he doing the silly thing where

[13:33] he appears and is dressed as a guy the

[13:35] boss from office space. Um

[13:38] >> he's going through all that and I did

[13:40] think at that point like you know he

[13:41] hasn't expressed any doubt in himself.

[13:43] But one thing I did love about the movie

[13:45] is how that's his real power. Like his

[13:47] childlike optimism and belief and how

[13:50] he's able to inspire everybody later in

[13:52] the film. Like he's able they they take

[13:54] his dumb goofy speech and his dumb goofy

[13:56] names and it actually propels them

[13:58] forward which I loved.

[14:00] >> Yeah. Well, can I just say one more

[14:01] thing. I know I'm talking about

[14:03] >> they're just little like usually I'm the

[14:05] type of guy that like I hate when a Thor

[14:07] movie or whatever or a Transformers

[14:09] movie feels the need to take place on

[14:12] Earth and have like a lot of human

[14:13] characters and stuff. So, I really

[14:15] appreciated that this movie, the bulk of

[14:16] it took place on Attorneyia. In fact,

[14:19] when I saw that they were even having

[14:20] part of it take place on Earth in the

[14:22] trailers, I was like, "Oh, boo. We don't

[14:24] need He-Man's Origin. Just do a Masters

[14:26] of the Universe." Masters of the

[14:27] Universe 1987 movie that we were so

[14:29] jazzed for when I was seven was the

[14:32] biggest disappointment because it starts

[14:33] with a giant Eternia set. It starts with

[14:36] all these people from the movie, the

[14:38] cartoon. You think that's what you're

[14:39] getting and then they go to Earth so

[14:41] Courtney Cox and Tom Paris, you know,

[14:43] can [ __ ] around for half of the movie.

[14:46] >> Half of the screen time belongs to those

[14:47] two teenage characters.

[14:49] >> Yeah. So that that's not what I wanted

[14:51] at all. So, I I'm glad that they're on

[14:53] Eternia for a lot of it, but I do feel

[14:54] like an extra 10 minutes on Earth really

[14:57] would have set up the rest of the movie

[14:59] and and served it well because again, it

[15:01] just

[15:02] >> it just felt like I don't know like I I

[15:04] just know nothing about like who who

[15:06] were his parents? Was he in foster care?

[15:08] Did did he have Earth parents? Did

[15:09] somebody find him? Like, they just kind

[15:11] of bypass all of that. It it really just

[15:13] feels like he landed on Earth and then

[15:15] everybody just stood still for 15 years

[15:17] until the the rest of the movie could

[15:19] start. It It was weird. Yeah.

[15:20] >> Yeah. second movie this year was that

[15:22] guy, I forget his his name, the actor

[15:23] who plays an orphan. The other one's The

[15:24] Sheep Detectives, which is genuinely a

[15:26] much better movie that everybody should

[15:28] see. It's so great. Tommy, I got my

[15:30] thoughts, but I want to hear from you

[15:31] first. You've been very Thank you.

[15:33] >> Well, I'll I'll give my half my

[15:34] halfbaked thoughts. I So, my love for

[15:38] He-Man is I think maybe a little more

[15:40] unconventional. I wasn't like a huge fan

[15:42] of the He-Man cartoon. Like, the toys

[15:44] were it for me. So I my my my uh my like

[15:48] love for He-Man is like the world I

[15:50] created with those toys based on their

[15:52] names only. So I deeply loved how this

[15:55] movie was paced because I wanted them

[15:57] off of Earth as soon as possible back

[16:00] with my toys like and so and I

[16:02] understand and I think Colton's point is

[16:04] completely valid is a like a cinematic

[16:06] theatrical experience and a story but as

[16:10] a viewer

[16:11] >> I was kind of like yeah who cares about

[16:12] all this? Get him a sword and get him

[16:14] back. uh back to Attorneyio as soon as

[16:16] possible and like and that worked for

[16:19] me. And I thought that

[16:22] visually and with the score that was

[16:24] provided that was like with

[16:25] collaboration from Queen and all that, I

[16:28] just I just really enjoying myself. If I

[16:30] wasn't so worried that my dog was laying

[16:32] in a ditch somewhere, [laughter]

[16:34] I probably would have walked away from

[16:36] it and and eventually had those similar

[16:38] thoughts of like, yeah, they might have

[16:40] been able to explain why this like, you

[16:42] know, ripped kid is like so insecure and

[16:45] like talks about this alien planet for

[16:47] the first week. I also love that they

[16:49] tried to hide the fact that he was

[16:50] muscular under that volcano.

[16:53] >> Yeah. He's like, I'm starting to work

[16:54] out for the first time. I'm like, okay.

[16:56] And then even when they transform his

[16:58] body, when he transforms the first time,

[17:00] they CGI him to be scared.

[17:02] >> Yes.

[17:02] >> They go to Steve Rogers. But

[17:05] >> my dumb ass, my dumb ass leans over to

[17:07] my wife. You see, he's actually

[17:09] muscular. They CGIed the dad. [laughter]

[17:12] >> But I could have done more things like

[17:14] digitally to make him look smaller, but

[17:16] yeah,

[17:17] >> kid. It's not that kind of movie. Like I

[17:19] I you kind of like you have to suspend a

[17:20] lot of disbelief with this. My thought

[17:22] was when I was so I'm pretty sure this

[17:24] movie got green lit because of Barbie.

[17:25] They're both Mattel properties and I'm

[17:27] sure they would love to have like a toy

[17:28] cinematic universe with Polly Pocket and

[17:30] [ __ ] like that.

[17:31] >> Um, so I was excited about it as a

[17:35] He-Man fan. I knew they were like

[17:36] approaching it from a certain meta level

[17:38] the same way Barbie did. Uh, which is

[17:40] why I liked like, okay, Fisto and Ram

[17:43] Fristo and Ram Man, those are really

[17:44] dumb names. And they explain why they

[17:46] have those names because the other

[17:47] option is to like wholeheartedly embrace

[17:50] that camp and like really own it. The

[17:52] part where they finally get everybody

[17:53] together, they break out of prison.

[17:55] They're walking down the They're doing

[17:56] the hallway walk every, you know, we've

[17:58] seen it a million times. Guardians, Kill

[17:59] Bill, whatever. They're playing Queen.

[18:02] It's awesome. But then they stop and do

[18:04] a gag where they all cough.

[18:07] I hated that on like every level. You

[18:11] can hate something. I am so tired of

[18:13] movies and franchises trying to be James

[18:15] Gun or Marvel and undermine the the the

[18:18] moment with a joke. I'm tired of Marvel

[18:20] doing it, you know? Like, just enjoy.

[18:22] You've built to this moment. you build

[18:24] this rally point, soak in the rally

[18:26] point for a little bit and then you can

[18:27] do more jokey stuff later. Like if it

[18:29] were a letter grade, I I think it

[18:31] dropped it a whole letter for me because

[18:32] that was indicative of what I saw all

[18:34] through the movie. The only other way to

[18:36] do I was thinking about this too. The

[18:37] only other way to do a a spin on He-Man

[18:42] would be, if you think about it, guys,

[18:43] it's pretty [ __ ] up. It's this kid,

[18:46] Adam, young prince, who suddenly gets

[18:48] the power to be a super macho dude. In

[18:50] the real world, that would go horrible

[18:53] if you took a 13-year-old boy and you

[18:55] gave him that kind of power and it would

[18:57] be a dark almost like miracle man kind

[19:00] of story. But other than that, I

[19:01] >> I don't know. Nanda, what did you think

[19:02] of the the metaess of it? Did it work

[19:05] for you?

[19:06] >> It's tricky because on one hand, like um

[19:08] there was I'm sure there were some joke

[19:10] Well, I don't know. It doesn't feel like

[19:11] there were too many jokes that went over

[19:12] my head as a non huge He-Man fan, but I

[19:15] am like pretty familiar with the uh the

[19:17] idea of it. I think as a way to

[19:22] have the

[19:24] silliness of the characters and the

[19:27] designs of the characters and all of

[19:28] that. Um, and and I think like there's

[19:30] certain characters like Fisto, right,

[19:32] who like feel very

[19:34] >> kind of he does feel like they took a

[19:37] action figure, put it through like a

[19:39] cool guy filter, but then there's guys

[19:40] like Mechan who don't feel like that,

[19:42] who feel like they just took the action

[19:43] figure and brought him into real life.

[19:44] So, like I feel like as a as an attempt

[19:47] to take the idea of these toys and kind

[19:51] of contextualize them as being things

[19:53] that this guy remembers and that's why

[19:55] you kind of remember them the same way.

[19:57] I thought it was all very clever. I

[19:59] think um I I do kind of agree uh Colton

[20:02] a little bit now that I'm thinking about

[20:03] it that there could have been more time

[20:05] on Earth. I think he could have maybe in

[20:08] like cut it in with stuff in Eternia as

[20:12] maybe memories or something like that so

[20:13] it doesn't get super slow because it

[20:15] starts with the narration on the date

[20:17] and that's fine. I think that that's

[20:19] smart because it does need to kind of

[20:21] >> parts of it it helps if explained but um

[20:24] >> and I don't necessarily need to see him

[20:25] go on like four or five dates but I feel

[20:27] like maybe I don't know flashbacks or

[20:29] dreams or something like that that he

[20:30] has or memories uh could keep that first

[20:33] bit moving uh a little better. But yeah,

[20:35] I think as far as a way to I think as

[20:38] far as a way to kind of keep the childy

[20:41] toiness of these guys together with the

[20:45] reality of guys that can do a big punch

[20:47] and stuff on screen and not look silly.

[20:50] I mean, they look kind of silly. Uh, I

[20:52] think they I think they did a pretty

[20:54] pretty decent job. Um, and as far as

[20:56] like little kind of Jos Sweden jokes, I

[20:58] don't love them, but um I will usually

[21:01] excuse a joke. I I'm usually pretty

[21:05] unless the joke is like meanspirited or

[21:07] something. I'm usually pretty forgiving

[21:09] when it comes to like jokes for me that

[21:10] don't work if they work in the theater

[21:12] and my theater thought that was very

[21:13] funny. So, I was I was right there with

[21:15] them and my theater was packed like cuz

[21:17] I saw it on some one of those opening

[21:18] night or like things like that. So, um I

[21:21] probably did have a kind of what's the

[21:22] word like a sweet crowd as far as people

[21:25] that were ready to laugh at that but I

[21:26] also think people you know people just

[21:28] just dug it.

[21:30] >> Hey, was your crowd I'm curious about

[21:31] this. Was your crowd guys in their 40s

[21:34] >> or was it like younger people?

[21:36] >> It was a lot of guys in their 40s and

[21:38] their kids in their 12elves or whatever.

[21:40] Like a lot of both of those. Yeah.

[21:42] Together.

[21:42] >> I thought that was going to propel it

[21:43] because like He-Man as a franchise

[21:46] >> was so big but only for a few years in

[21:49] the 80s like around eight like when the

[21:52] movie came out. The live action is right

[21:54] when it like abruptly dropped off a

[21:55] cliff. But for those of us who were

[21:57] there, it was like seinal. You know that

[22:00] the other thing in the movie I kept

[22:01] thinking he's why aren't they playing

[22:03] the theme? He-Man has this amazing theme

[22:05] every time he would transform. They

[22:06] played it a hundred times in every

[22:07] episode and then when they finally

[22:09] played it at the end like that got me

[22:10] like straight in the feels and I was

[22:12] like ready and I wanted that moment

[22:14] earlier in the movie. But that could

[22:15] just be me loving that.

[22:16] >> I I think you're spot on about the

[22:18] flashbacks. That would have been a great

[22:19] way to do it without bogging down the

[22:21] first act. And the perfect place to have

[22:24] put them would have been during that

[22:26] sequence where the movie just like comes

[22:28] to this complete stop in the in those

[22:30] red woods or whatever where they're

[22:32] having where it's uh man of man at arms

[22:35] and Tila and Adam. I think that would

[22:37] have been a good place to actually have

[22:39] him give some like catchup exposition

[22:42] that would have flowed really well and

[22:44] taken us into that third act and given

[22:46] me all that information I wanted to have

[22:48] to better enjoy the third act. So yeah,

[22:50] I think that would have been a good

[22:51] place to do it. Skeletor

[22:53] for you guys as a villain.

[22:56] >> Oh, sorry, man. Finish your thought.

[22:58] >> I was just gonna say now that you

[22:59] mentioned it and now that we're kind of

[23:00] talking about it and like the way that

[23:02] the characters are kind of versions of

[23:05] characters that exist in his mind, I

[23:07] almost wish and they couldn't Well, they

[23:09] could have done this, but this is kind

[23:11] of a different version of this movie. I

[23:12] wish the first bit we saw was animated

[23:14] and it looked nothing like the real guys

[23:16] [clears throat] and it was clearly the

[23:17] version that he remembers that he drew

[23:19] and then when we saw them in real life

[23:21] they look like the guys that they are.

[23:22] But anyway, uh Skeletor cool uh very

[23:25] well. Okay, two things about Skeletor.

[23:27] One, it feels like a take on the

[23:30] Franklin Skeletor, not any other version

[23:33] of Skeletor because of the voice. That's

[23:35] not a Skeletor voice outside of that per

[23:38] like performance um that I can at least

[23:41] that I could recognize.

[23:42] >> Yeah, even even Mark Hamill when he did

[23:44] it adapted it more I mean he basically

[23:46] did a version of the Joker but it was a

[23:47] more of a version from the man.

[23:50] >> You guys ever have a chance to watch

[23:51] those Skeletor insult super cuts?

[23:53] They're amazing.

[23:55] >> Gretorous B.

[23:57] >> My my favorites my favorite Skeletor

[24:00] lines are actually from Robot Chicken

[24:02] and my wife and I quote them to each

[24:03] other. all the time like the what?

[24:08] Behold the gas stench of Skeletor's

[24:10] breakfast burrito.

[24:12] >> Oh, in the car. That was a good one.

[24:16] >> All the other [laughter]

[24:18] or uh I'm not evil Lynn. I will be good

[24:22] Lynn. Uh this whole time I thought your

[24:24] name was Evelyn. She goes, [laughter]

[24:28] "Pretty clever, huh?" Ah, no. But

[24:31] [laughter]

[24:32] >> just reminder, so I'm curious why this

[24:34] movie bombed. But just before we get

[24:36] into that, I want to talk about I just

[24:37] want to show you guys real quick. We do

[24:38] have a couple of

[24:40] >> nice

[24:40] >> merch uh parody merch shirts. We got

[24:42] this Grace Gold Gem in the style of Gold

[24:44] Gem that we really love. We're proud of

[24:46] at our merch store.com.

[24:48] >> You can get it. Just give us your size

[24:49] and we'll get one sent to you.

[24:51] >> And we've also got the I have the power

[24:53] shirt, which it really, like I said,

[24:55] that's the moment that always jazzed me

[24:57] up every time I watched He-Man. And

[24:59] yeah, these are available at our merch

[25:00] store. And if you become a store member

[25:02] at just our $ five dollar tier, you get

[25:05] 15% off our merch store, uh, along with

[25:07] other things like monthly watch parties,

[25:09] exclusive videos, etc. And at the $100

[25:11] tier, if you're game for that sort of

[25:12] nonsense, we do a private Q&A live

[25:15] stream. We had our first one the other

[25:16] day. It was a lot of fun. I live stream

[25:18] people. I showed around the studio and,

[25:20] you know, kind of gave behind the scenes

[25:21] and just answer questions. I got to talk

[25:23] about myself for 30 minutes. It's

[25:24] amazing. So, yep. Links for those and

[25:26] everything else are down below. I'm

[25:27] really tired going going back to your

[25:29] question. I'm really tired of them

[25:30] taking villains that are supposed to

[25:32] have the like the high pitch thing like

[25:34] Carnage is supposed to and giving them

[25:37] the

[25:38] and they kind of did that with Skeletor

[25:40] a little bit and I didn't think his

[25:42] voice was awful. Like they could have

[25:43] gone like way worse but I I would have

[25:46] preferred a little bit more of a high

[25:48] pitch like have Mark Campbell do it

[25:49] maybe. I think that's

[25:50] >> and I and I think like it feels

[25:53] unnecessary to make give him more graas

[25:56] in his voice when the movie is already

[25:58] that ridiculous, right? If there's ever

[26:00] a live action movie that can get away

[26:02] with a villain with a silly voice, it's

[26:04] this one. Like there I mean like there

[26:08] literally no reason not to have him have

[26:10] the cartoon voice. And I hate to say it

[26:13] because by all accounts he doesn't seem

[26:15] like a very good person. Jerry thought I

[26:17] could have killed that. Like, you know,

[26:18] like

[26:19] >> he did good. He understood the

[26:21] assignment. You're right. A crescendo.

[26:23] He didn't say it like that, but that's

[26:24] how I remembered in my head.

[26:25] >> Ryan, [laughter]

[26:26] I sent Ryan a video of me puppeteering

[26:29] my child. That's the crescendo.

[26:32] [laughter]

[26:33] >> One of the best things about having a

[26:35] baby is making them do stuff like that.

[26:37] Totally on it.

[26:39] >> Yeah. What's this?

[26:40] >> Oh, I'm sorry. I was Do you guys know

[26:42] this drama about Letto not being happy

[26:45] with the film or something? I've just

[26:46] seen little bits of memes

[26:49] >> they kept him off the press tour and I

[26:51] was wondering if that was because uh of

[26:54] just Jared Leto being box office poison

[26:56] at this point. I'm wondering if they

[26:58] signed him on to this and couldn't get

[27:00] him off of it like cuz you know like

[27:02] before they filmed it or something

[27:03] >> all after Tron they wanted a world where

[27:07] he thinks he did fine in this movie or

[27:09] whatever but because he's so toxic

[27:13] >> for all the different reasons of like

[27:15] the Tron movies didn't work and like all

[27:17] the like like Tron and uh what was the

[27:19] other one? Haunted Mansion all that kind

[27:21] of bombed in um the immediate wake of

[27:23] all of his other you know came out about

[27:25] him. Yeah. I feel like they could have

[27:27] been like, "Hey, you can't talk about

[27:30] this movie at all. Like, just stay away

[27:32] from it." And maybe that made him go

[27:34] like, "I don't really not into it. I'm

[27:36] not this isn't fun for me to talk about

[27:38] to random kids on an airplane." But like

[27:40] I could see a world where in reality he

[27:43] seemed to be into it. Like everything

[27:44] I've heard on behind the scenes, he put

[27:46] stupid blood on his face or something.

[27:48] Like he got excited about this world. He

[27:50] was there.

[27:51] He always does that [ __ ] like when he

[27:53] was the Joker and he put rats in

[27:55] people's locker. What's this airport?

[27:58] >> Oh, I saw a video or not video. I saw a

[28:01] report that one guy I think they said

[28:03] they were at an airport with him and

[28:05] they happened to be a big He-Man fan.

[28:07] They were like wearing a He-Man shirt

[28:08] and they said to him like, "Hey, I

[28:10] already saw that Master of the Universe

[28:12] movie you were in. That was great." And

[28:13] he's like, "Oh, cool. Thanks." And then

[28:14] left. And that's like the most reaction

[28:17] it feels like we've gotten from him

[28:18] about that movie in that moment. So like

[28:21] I and like if I

[28:24] was him and like was in that situation

[28:26] and you know all of the discourse around

[28:29] me was I'm going to destroy this movie

[28:31] because he kind of, you know, is a

[28:33] liability in a lot of ways. I feel like

[28:35] I also wouldn't want to talk about it.

[28:36] I'd want to talk about my band or

[28:38] whatever it is that he's happy about. I

[28:41] I don't think anyone knows that, you

[28:43] know, except for us really like our

[28:45] circle that he's even playing Skeletor.

[28:47] So that's probably

[28:47] >> they didn't even have a flashback of his

[28:49] like because

[28:50] >> you know he was long story short, he's

[28:52] King Randor's brother, Kellor, etc.,

[28:53] etc., etc. Person, half human. Exactly.

[28:59] Perseverance in the search for comic.

[29:01] >> I'm Skeletor.

[29:03] Anyways, they could have done all that

[29:06] and then maybe they even had that in the

[29:07] script, but I feel like they're you

[29:09] mentioned like maybe there was more on

[29:11] Earth and deleted scenes or something. I

[29:12] feel like the movie's two out. I don't

[29:14] think there was much else. I am

[29:16] interested in why it bombed because when

[29:17] our first when the first trailer

[29:18] dropped, we did something we've only

[29:20] done a couple times where I did a live

[29:21] breakdown. I pulled some stills and for

[29:23] like a live video that I droned on for

[29:25] 30 minutes about this fan geeking about

[29:28] this [ __ ] it it did pretty well. Got

[29:30] like almost 200,000 views. So, I

[29:31] thought, okay, there must be a lot of

[29:32] interest here.

[29:33] >> That's great for a live stream.

[29:35] >> Yeah.

[29:35] >> Yeah. Right. And it's going to be I

[29:36] think the movie is going to do really

[29:38] well on streaming. And I thought guys my

[29:40] age

[29:40] >> who, you know, were burned by the Dolph

[29:42] London movie were going to be jazzed

[29:44] about this. But then again, they've

[29:45] tried He-Man revivals over the years in

[29:47] the early 2000s. Great revival. They

[29:50] There was the the MOTU uh Revelation and

[29:52] Revolution on Netflix, which I think one

[29:55] of them only got a 52% from fans, but I

[29:57] love that one, too. But then none of

[29:59] them really captured the zeitgeist like

[30:00] those four years or three years in the

[30:03] 1980s did. There have been three

[30:05] revivals since then and none of them

[30:06] have really taken off.

[30:08] >> People don't go to the movies anymore. I

[30:12] I think a lot of people are going to

[30:13] watch it on streaming. They're probably

[30:14] just waiting.

[30:15] >> But that's a great point because you

[30:16] look at the competition they had and

[30:18] this is where I'm really curious to hear

[30:19] what you guys think because I haven't

[30:20] seen any of these movies yet. Their back

[30:22] their competition was Back Rooms

[30:23] Obsession which has gone up three weeks

[30:25] in a row which is like Titanic kind of

[30:29] >> like momentum and Amazing Digital Circus

[30:32] and those three have a YouTube presence.

[30:33] They're made by people with big social

[30:35] media reaches. They have an organic

[30:36] audience.

[30:37] >> That digital circus show I didn't

[30:39] realize their top viewed video has like

[30:41] 400 million views.

[30:42] >> Yeah. I don't even

[30:43] >> Or something like that. Like it's

[30:44] ridiculous. Uh in a good way. Like I'm

[30:47] really happy for them. So is that the

[30:49] reason why? But I kind of feel like

[30:51] maybe the kids they were hoping to

[30:53] attract to this movie, maybe I thought

[30:55] they would have at least bought tickets

[30:57] to it and snuck into back rooms, but I

[30:58] think that they watched other [ __ ] I

[31:00] mean, what do you guys think about the

[31:01] competition aspect?

[31:03] >> I mean, the competition.

[31:04] >> Yeah. Sorry, N.

[31:05] >> Oh, go say I think the competition is

[31:08] interesting because um I I don't think

[31:10] most of those movies really do compete

[31:13] with what He-Man was trying to do. The

[31:15] Digital Circus one I extra don't like

[31:17] know very much about, but like I feel

[31:19] like two I don't know was back or was

[31:21] back rooms R-rated, right? Yeah, two

[31:24] R-rated horror movies are definitely not

[31:27] what I feel like you would be worried

[31:28] about here. Um, I think the problem with

[31:31] He-Man, I do think the marketing for

[31:33] this movie, looking back at it, does a

[31:36] pretty bad job of just selling a fresh

[31:40] audience member on why He-Man is fun.

[31:42] not just like why the He-Man toys are

[31:45] fun, but like what is it about this

[31:47] story in this universe? And I think the

[31:49] movie has stuff in there that's like

[31:51] it's a movie about believing in yourself

[31:54] and transforming like X-Men and Harry

[31:56] Potter and all this stuff, but the movie

[31:58] doesn't like the none of the trailers

[32:00] really like hammer that in. It's just

[32:03] kind of like I'm from Maternia. I have

[32:05] the power and get the sword and then I

[32:07] fight this guy. But um I I don't know. I

[32:09] feel like if you're a, let's say,

[32:12] 13-year-old who's never heard of He-Man

[32:14] before, has probably seen Skeletor once

[32:16] or twice and other stuff, and then you

[32:19] see the trailer for this movie, I don't

[32:20] understand outside of maybe being a huge

[32:22] fan of Nicholas Gallatine, which perhaps

[32:24] people are. Uh, and like and being a fan

[32:28] of the director, who I also like and I

[32:30] don't think is quite a name yet, but

[32:31] like could

[32:32] >> Stephen D. Yeah, he's great.

[32:33] >> Yeah. Travis Knight. Yeah, he I love

[32:38] >> Yeah, but like the Bumblebee movie, if

[32:40] you saw that, you're like, "Oh man, this

[32:41] guy's the this guy's the hotness." Then

[32:42] I'm going to go watch whatever he makes.

[32:44] Um, you know, maybe five years in the

[32:46] future, that's a thing. But yeah, I I

[32:48] just feel like there was no hook for for

[32:49] kids and new viewers. So, you got all

[32:52] the adults and you got some of the

[32:54] adults, but like um I I also just think

[32:56] this movie didn't have a big enough

[32:57] star. It was missing one big star and it

[33:00] was Skeletor and he's he was a big

[33:03] question mark man who didn't do any of

[33:04] the promotion for the movie but like

[33:06] >> they should have cast Johnny Depp.

[33:09] [laughter]

[33:09] >> Yeah, exactly. Johnny Depp

[33:11] >> or Jonathan Major

[33:12] >> and Idris. Yeah, there you go. Yeah,

[33:14] Idris Ela also in it but not really

[33:16] featured in the market like exactly an

[33:18] A-list guy. Yeah.

[33:20] >> No, he does commercials for Gold now.

[33:22] Like I like and I think he's great in

[33:25] this movie, but I don't think he feels

[33:26] like a big

[33:28] >> movie star kind of guy. Honestly, like

[33:31] I'm pretty sure I remember I don't

[33:33] remember if this was a thing, but like I

[33:34] I think about this movie a lot because

[33:36] it's coming out later this year is like

[33:39] um the Street Fighter movie with Noah

[33:41] Centineo. Not even, you know, I mean

[33:45] like we'll see how similar the roles

[33:46] are. Both jacked guys who are probably

[33:48] in in a similar age range. I think no

[33:50] CNO brings an audience with him to this

[33:53] that Nicholas Gallatine just doesn't and

[33:55] I think that may have helped this movie

[33:57] feel like a big deal because I think

[33:59] that's what gets people to the theaters

[34:01] movies that feel like a big deal whether

[34:02] it's people saying like oh this is back

[34:04] rooms this is the future of horror or

[34:05] whatever or like this is the big movie

[34:07] of the month this is you know He-Man and

[34:11] I know I think that's what they're

[34:12] trying to do really really really hard

[34:14] with Disclosure Day is make it feel like

[34:16] a big deal even though there's nothing

[34:18] in the movie or in the in the marketing

[34:20] that I feel like they've been like

[34:22] they've been having Stephen Spielberg go

[34:24] look at things and go this is my what

[34:25] from Indiana Jones and it's like this is

[34:27] just like this this is important. So

[34:29] >> yeah he's going on talk shows and saying

[34:31] aliens are real. I think that's about

[34:32] the

[34:33] >> which is an insane thing to Yeah.

[34:36] >> They should have done that with this

[34:37] one. They should have said aliens and

[34:38] cats and big giant guys with fists

[34:40] [clears throat] are real.

[34:41] >> Tommy, what were you going to say?

[34:43] >> Well, no. I I actually I pretty much

[34:45] disagree with that. I feel like this

[34:46] movie just didn't for the budget and

[34:50] scope of how big this production was, it

[34:52] never felt like this was a must-sea

[34:54] movie, even as a target probably

[34:57] audience member as a 42-y old man. And I

[34:59] also think that 42-y old men have like

[35:02] 12 to 13 year old children usually. And

[35:05] it was a tough sell. And there like it's

[35:07] just much easier to see it on streaming

[35:08] now when you have all of these giant

[35:11] films coming out. And I think, you know,

[35:14] the co the co-produced Amazon, it was

[35:17] co-produced by Amazon and Sony, right?

[35:19] This movie. Yeah.

[35:20] >> It's like that's going to inflate the

[35:22] budget. And it it anything under it

[35:25] popping off to like hundred million

[35:26] dollars this weekend is going to be

[35:28] probably reported as a failure. It

[35:31] obviously did bomb in a true sense, but

[35:34] I just feel like yeah, they struggled.

[35:35] They struggled to I think it was in the

[35:38] marketing. They didn't focus on the guy

[35:41] playing He-Man as like he's the next

[35:43] [clears throat] big star either. It

[35:44] wasn't like it was kind of just like

[35:46] >> yeah look we got this guy who kind of

[35:47] looks like He-Man and look Idris Elba's

[35:49] in this movie and you know look the girl

[35:51] from Riverdale's in this movie and Jared

[35:53] Leto Skeletor which we're kind of

[35:55] glossing over and there's lots of other

[35:56] fun cameos or you know character people

[35:59] who you know their face but you're right

[36:01] there was just no magnet that was like I

[36:03] got to see this movie. Nicholas

[36:05] Gladstein didn't host SNL last week. He

[36:07] didn't go on Hot Ones and like I think

[36:09] he could have. I mean, he couldn't have

[36:11] hosted SNL this week because it wasn't

[36:12] on, but like he could have done other

[36:13] stuff and I don't think he didn't want

[36:15] to or anything. It just feels like maybe

[36:18] priorities wise they were like, "We're

[36:19] going to kind of expect this isn't going

[36:22] to be as big of a movie for other

[36:24] reasons." I don't know. But this is why

[36:25] like I think if you had someone um I

[36:29] thrown out a bazillion names for this,

[36:30] but um uh who's like a just any any

[36:34] other Skeletor actor, let's say um well

[36:38] Mark Hamel's too. Mark Hamel's an easy

[36:39] one because he's already done it, but

[36:40] also like he doesn't also doesn't feel

[36:42] like a movie star. I'm just think it's

[36:43] somebody who is like,

[36:45] it doesn't matter. Somebody like that.

[36:46] >> Glenn Powell goes out does Skeletor then

[36:48] also he does press for Skeletor and it's

[36:50] like oh that's a movie star in that

[36:52] movie. That's a movie that I have to

[36:53] see.

[36:54] >> And he can make jokes about how my face

[36:55] is like this the whole time and you

[36:57] know.

[36:57] >> Right. Right.

[36:59] >> Yeah. And he gets to go out and say like

[37:00] I have this is my skeletal action figure

[37:02] I had when I was 10 and now I like

[37:04] having it because it's me and you know

[37:06] they didn't do I didn't see any of that.

[37:08] And yeah it's weird.

[37:09] >> I really hope

[37:10] >> very little appeals to nostalgia in the

[37:11] marketing too. But I don't think they

[37:12] had that much to appeal to nostalgia. I

[37:14] just hope they don't learn the wrong

[37:16] lesson, which is, oh, this bombed. From

[37:18] now on, we'll just drop our Amazon

[37:20] movies on Amazon. Because the the single

[37:23] best piece of marketing

[37:25] >> for a streaming whatever for for a movie

[37:28] going on streaming is having it run in

[37:30] theaters for four to six weeks. That and

[37:32] what they can do, even if this movie

[37:34] breaks even,

[37:35] >> essentially what that will do is it pays

[37:38] for you making this movie that you can

[37:40] now put on your streaming service. So, I

[37:41] hope they don't like take the bad box

[37:43] office as, "Oh, we won't do this again."

[37:45] No, really. It you just got your movie

[37:48] made for free and a really good free

[37:51] marketing campaign for having it run in

[37:52] theaters for four weeks. So, I I hope

[37:54] that

[37:54] >> Well, not free because they get half the

[37:55] gross to the theaters, but I think

[37:57] you're you're right. I mean, it was the

[37:58] same way with DVDs and Blu-rays when

[37:59] those were all the rage. um the movie

[38:02] they would they would basically break

[38:03] even on the big release of the movie but

[38:05] then the money's afterwards like you

[38:06] said on the comeback

[38:08] >> and all movies are hurting because

[38:11] >> they have trained the audience to go

[38:14] okay there are several good movies out

[38:16] right now this economy is [ __ ] I can

[38:19] only afford to maybe go see one and take

[38:22] my whole family because that's another

[38:24] thing this is a family movie that's a

[38:26] really expensive night out to take your

[38:28] family

[38:28] >> and no popcorn bucket Yeah, they had

[38:32] they had a popcorn bucket, didn't they?

[38:33] Popcorn buckets.

[38:35] Was it Battle? I didn't get

[38:38] >> They have a Battlecat Skeletor.

[38:44] >> I would have walked out with all

[38:46] >> Yeah, clearly clearly they had them all

[38:48] laid out on the counter at my theater.

[38:49] But no, it's just they have trained

[38:51] audiences that the movie is going to be

[38:53] on TV in four or five weeks, so we'll

[38:56] just wait and we'll watch it as a family

[38:58] and order some pizza, which you know

[39:00] sounds really appealing. So they're

[39:02] killing themselves by not having like a

[39:05] Didn't DVDs used to come out like six

[39:07] months after the movie was

[39:08] >> VHS would be years sometimes.

[39:10] >> Yeah. Yeah. ET took forever at Jurassic

[39:13] Park because they were still in the

[39:15] theater.

[39:15] >> It was almost an event when the DVD came

[39:17] out. It was like the movie was coming

[39:19] out all over again.

[39:20] >> It literally was because also DVDs were

[39:22] packed with extras too that made it even

[39:24] more fun to go back and watch them.

[39:25] Sorry to go ahead.

[39:26] >> I was going to say too, the other thing

[39:28] about movies and what they're trying to

[39:30] do now that this movie also didn't seem

[39:32] to do. And I'm looking backwards, I'm

[39:34] like, "Oh, this was a mistake." Because

[39:35] I do think one of for me the strengths

[39:37] of this movie uh outside of a lot of the

[39:40] stuff that I like that are just like

[39:41] things that kind of are are funny or

[39:43] whatever design-wise, I think this movie

[39:44] had a pretty sick score. uh the Daniel

[39:46] Peton like

[39:48] >> I feel like a lot of the times when a

[39:50] movie has a really good score they

[39:52] advertise it as like the movie you have

[39:54] to see in Dolby sound system or whatever

[39:57] and that's why all the movies now are

[39:58] pretend or not pretending but are like

[40:00] film this with IMAX like we filmed

[40:01] Mandalorian with IMAX even if it's not

[40:03] going to look that great in IMAX is cuz

[40:05] like that is something special that you

[40:07] can't get at home and like I feel like

[40:09] it's we looking back it's crazy that I

[40:12] learned that Brian is it Brian I did the

[40:15] guitars for this movie

[40:17] >> at the movie during the credits for the

[40:19] movie. Like that was my selling point

[40:21] earlier in the movie cuz like I earlier

[40:24] in the releases u and he wasn't on TV

[40:27] talking about it like

[40:28] >> yeah I don't know man Amazon they made

[40:31] Project Hail Mary so they're doing great

[40:33] and I'm sure they're having an you know

[40:35] they've got some interesting stuff for

[40:36] the rest of the year but I'll never

[40:37] understand some of these decisions.

[40:40] >> Colton you made a good point. You talked

[40:41] about how people are being trained to

[40:42] not go to the theater anymore. And this

[40:44] is where something really interesting

[40:46] happened. I'm really proud of you.

[40:47] >> Something really interesting is

[40:48] happening, too. And this is why, and I

[40:50] made this about franchise fatigue. So,

[40:52] let me bring this up. We got a little

[40:53] thing here, but I'll just read some of

[40:54] these grosses out to you. So,

[40:56] >> um,

[40:57] >> if you Oh, we don't have numbers on

[41:00] this, but we're looking at like the

[41:01] highest grossing films of the 2010s. Um,

[41:04] and they're pretty much the usual

[41:06] players Avengers etc. Frozen all

[41:08] these franchises. this year. Uh, sorry.

[41:12] In 2025, last year, um, we had some new

[41:16] ones pop in there. Demon Slayer, F1,

[41:18] things like that. However,

[41:20] >> uh, sorry, I thought we had a slide of

[41:22] this one, but listen to like some of

[41:24] these Fast and F. So, the Fast and

[41:26] Furious is one of the biggest franchises

[41:28] of all time. It doesn't feel that way,

[41:29] but it is. Um, fast and it was on such a

[41:33] big increase from the fourth movie and

[41:35] like when Justin Lynn got on board and

[41:36] really started to make these movies. The

[41:38] fourth movie did 359. The fifth movie,

[41:41] which I think is the best in the

[41:42] franchise, did 629. Number six did 789.

[41:46] Furious 7, fueled partly because of

[41:48] curiosity about Paul Walker dying, did

[41:50] $1.5 billion,

[41:53] >> which is [ __ ] insane considering it

[41:56] was a Point Break ripoff where they

[41:58] stole DVDs from a semi-truck. DVD

[42:00] players.

[42:00] >> Was that 2014, the seventh one?

[42:04] >> Yeah. And then Fate of the Furious, the

[42:06] worst I've seen, is 1.1 billion. Hobs

[42:08] and Shaw, which doesn't really count,

[42:10] 76, but they have decreased every single

[42:13] time. And these movies are really big

[42:14] and really expensive to make. And the

[42:16] same thing has happened with Mission

[42:17] Impossible, where Mission Impossible

[42:19] Fallout, which I think came out in not

[42:21] 2012, but like around the same time

[42:22] you're mentioning, Colton, 2017 maybe,

[42:25] >> did 786 million. And then Dead Reckoning

[42:30] Part One 565 and then hilariously titled

[42:33] The Final Reckoning did 591. So it

[42:35] didn't even get we'll never get Dead

[42:37] Reckoning part two.

[42:38] >> So then you're kind of looking at you do

[42:41] see a line of these big franchises maybe

[42:44] getting stale for audiences because they

[42:46] know what to expect. You guys think it's

[42:47] that or do you think it's the well I got

[42:49] this big shiny screen at home. I can see

[42:51] it there.

[42:53] >> It 20 The reason I ask is like 2014

[42:56] right right in there. I would say going

[42:58] from like 2011 is probably when it

[43:02] started

[43:03] through that through like 2018

[43:07] might be the what the best time for

[43:09] movies ever in terms of theatrical box

[43:11] office like that the amount of billion

[43:14] dollar

[43:14] >> 2019 I think you have to lump in there

[43:16] too.

[43:17] >> Yeah. I mean we had like Lion King that

[43:19] year and Yeah.

[43:20] >> Yeah. just a rapid incline from like the

[43:22] the early 2010s up through and then we

[43:25] hit that year where a certain thing

[43:26] happened and we just we've recovered a

[43:29] little bit from it but

[43:31] >> it really

[43:33] that trained people to stay home as well

[43:35] and realize like oh I can just watch

[43:37] stuff here being stuck at home

[43:39] >> because the last time in American

[43:41] history when that happened was with the

[43:44] Spanish flu you know from 1918 to the

[43:45] early 1920s and obviously very different

[43:48] because back then you were wealthy if

[43:50] you had a radio in your hut or whatever

[43:52] Americans lived in back [laughter] then.

[43:54] But now we've got this great home

[43:56] entertainment and streaming, you know,

[43:58] you know, coincided with all of this

[44:00] happening. Whereas like in the late

[44:02] 1800s when the Spanish flu was finally

[44:04] done, we got the roaring 20s afterwards.

[44:06] You know, we we got people basically

[44:08] wanting to be out and doing more. That's

[44:09] when movies first exploded. So there was

[44:11] like an explosion of people who were in

[44:13] very public places with each other and

[44:15] they wanted to be, you know, part of

[44:17] that camaraderie and seeing different

[44:18] things. And now I thought the same thing

[44:20] would happen after the pandemic, but

[44:22] you're right. It made us even more

[44:24] isolated than we were before. A

[44:26] >> and people just aren't interest, this is

[44:28] very anecdotal, but I I I have trouble

[44:30] finding people who really even watch

[44:32] that many movies like in my day-to-day

[44:35] life like

[44:36] >> because of TV shows or because of

[44:39] >> shows and this and yeah, just it's not

[44:43] >> I don't know. It's like it's not a a

[44:45] thing any like it's not a cool thing

[44:48] that people are interested in anymore. I

[44:50] know that's you know very broadly

[44:52] speaking but

[44:54] >> well Marsha McLuhan a great media

[44:56] analyst um and philosopher said the

[44:59] medium is the message. In other words

[45:01] you know if you really want to

[45:02] understand a society you don't just look

[45:04] at what kinds of things they're

[45:06] consuming because people in America like

[45:09] cop shows and doctor shows are always

[45:11] the most popular genre. uh you look at

[45:13] how they're consuming it and that tells

[45:14] you more about a society. So a society

[45:16] that's more isolated from each other uh

[45:18] lives a little bit more digitally that's

[45:20] consuming things in you know one minute

[45:23] sections instead of like committing to

[45:25] like a long process or who can't watch

[45:28] one thing at a time you know speaks to

[45:30] anxiety of a society because your screen

[45:31] is up and you're on this screen too

[45:33] because you don't you're afraid you're

[45:34] going to miss out on something. So

[45:36] >> there's a lot that's happening there.

[45:37] Um, however, I still think He-Man was

[45:40] fun and people should have watched it.

[45:42] >> I I agree. And I also think that like

[45:45] >> I I think that there is a bubble to this

[45:48] isolation too. Like I think that there I

[45:51] think that the the isolation we live in

[45:54] now presents as like a simulated

[45:56] connectivity because of our smartphones.

[45:59] And I think that like

[46:00] >> it's a pain. It's like we're at a pain

[46:02] point with it in every area, not just

[46:04] media consumption. And it's like, yeah,

[46:06] but I'm not isolated because I can

[46:09] comment on a video or I can text someone

[46:10] or I can call them.

[46:12] >> And I think that like

[46:14] >> while it might feel painful for some of

[46:16] us right now, it certainly does feel

[46:17] painful for me. I do think that that

[46:20] will cause a yearning again for like

[46:23] literal connectivity or like in-person

[46:26] connectivity. Yeah. And I don't think

[46:27] that like movie theaters are dead. And I

[46:29] think that like neither

[46:30] >> that is a sexy thing to put out in a

[46:33] tweet and that might be a sexy video to

[46:35] make, but I think that like things are

[46:37] cyclical and right now we are we my

[46:41] generation became a generation that like

[46:43] raised themselves in adulthood on their

[46:45] devices and their phones. But I also see

[46:47] that like we are also able to look down

[46:50] at the next generation and see how it is

[46:52] affecting them and kind of be judgmental

[46:53] about it while we're just as guilty. And

[46:56] I think that how that evolves is like

[46:58] there are kids now that don't want to be

[47:00] filmed. Like there you start to see kids

[47:02] rebelling against like they're like I

[47:04] don't need I don't need to be online.

[47:06] Like my nephew and this is anecdotal

[47:08] like Colton was saying before like he's

[47:10] anti-technology because of how pervasive

[47:12] it was in his childhood. He's 17 years

[47:14] old and he wants nothing to do with his

[47:16] phone. He wants nothing to do with

[47:17] >> analog,

[47:18] >> right? And I think like this is what

[47:20] happens. bubbles blow up and blow up and

[47:22] blow and seem like they'll never end and

[47:24] then they burst. And my hope is that

[47:26] when that bubble bursts, people will

[47:27] return to the theaters. People will

[47:29] return to wanting to see each other in

[47:31] person. And you know, I like to be

[47:33] optimistic. So maybe you could say that

[47:35] I'm I'm dumb and AI is going to, you

[47:37] know, send me a message saying I need to

[47:38] disengage with that. But I don't know.

[47:40] I'm optimistic.

[47:42] >> Well, to your point, okay, so movie

[47:43] theater attendance is down. Music is

[47:46] flourishing. Concerts are doing great.

[47:48] people are going out for that shared

[47:50] experience. It is interesting though

[47:52] going to concerts now as opposed to

[47:53] maybe a decade ago because I think the

[47:55] kids are a lot more aware that they're

[47:57] always being filmed and nobody wants to

[47:59] get too silly.

[48:00] >> Uh nobody wants to like be a meme or

[48:03] become the next Star Wars kid. So

[48:04] everybody's a little bit more restricted

[48:06] even in public.

[48:07] >> We got some super chats here I want to

[48:08] get. There's a couple really interesting

[48:09] ones in here I want to get your

[48:10] everybody's thoughts on. Arman gave us5

[48:12] pounds and said I actually bought a

[48:14] cinema card this summer. So many good

[48:16] movies coming out so close to each

[48:17] other. It's just economical. Masters of

[48:19] the Universe was only okay though. I

[48:21] don't think it's I Look, Masters of the

[48:23] Universe wasn't the next Barbie. It

[48:24] wasn't even the next Thunderbolts, but I

[48:27] still enjoyed the movie. Do you guys

[48:29] feel that way about the summer box

[48:30] office? What's coming up? Go ahead,

[48:31] Andrew. What's your question?

[48:32] >> Oh, I want to relate that to that. How

[48:33] does how does the movie theater

[48:36] subscription fit into box office

[48:40] anything? Like if like how does that

[48:43] because if I have a subscription to see

[48:46] four movies a month and I see Masters of

[48:48] the Universe four times like how does

[48:50] that

[48:51] >> you know

[48:52] >> and I don't understand I've never heard

[48:54] you know anybody explain.

[48:55] >> My guess would be it could work like

[48:56] YouTube Premium where you get paid based

[48:59] on how many YouTube Premium numbers

[49:01] members watch your thing. My guess would

[49:04] be you know how movie theaters take half

[49:05] the gross of the ticket up front then

[49:07] it's like it grows over time. Uh, it's

[49:09] actually No, sorry. It's more than half.

[49:10] It gets to half. No, that's wrong. It

[49:13] starts at half or around there. My guess

[49:14] is they're paying the studio.

[49:17] >> I would think they'd have to That's a

[49:19] really great question because like the

[49:20] AMC one, I forget what it's called, AMC

[49:23] Stubs or something,

[49:24] >> right? Or something.

[49:26] >> That one it pays. If you see more than

[49:28] like I think they just upped their

[49:30] prices, but before they up their prices,

[49:32] if you saw even like one movie, it

[49:34] already paid for itself. Now I think

[49:35] maybe it's like

[49:36] >> That's just it. Yeah, that's what they

[49:37] do though. It's like every other

[49:39] technological thing, they they loop you

[49:41] in a really low introductory. Yeah,

[49:42] exactly.

[49:43] >> It's like a

[49:44] >> or like Uber or like anything else.

[49:46] Every startup starts you really low so

[49:48] you'll forget about the subscription.

[49:49] Which is why honestly I use Rocket

[49:51] Money. Rocket Money is great for

[49:54] [laughter]

[49:54] I speak an ad. I can't stop it. Every

[49:57] time I'm like right in the middle,

[49:58] someone's telling me their worst problem

[49:59] that's happened to them. I'm like, "Oh

[50:01] god, they should be in therapy." And I

[50:02] have just the recommendation for it.

[50:04] Sean Holtzgra gave us five bucks and

[50:06] said, "Doug deserves a treat with my

[50:07] name on it." He actually sent that when

[50:09] I was talking about Doug not feeling the

[50:10] vaccine. And Sean, I will definitely

[50:13] give that um to them. Thank you so much.

[50:16] And Christian Unpronouncable, longtime

[50:18] friend of the channel, give us five

[50:19] Canadian dollars. Come on people, drop

[50:21] those likes for one of your favorite

[50:22] streamers.

[50:23] >> A

[50:24] >> Yeah. I mean, find your favorite

[50:25] streamer if they're streaming right now

[50:27] and drop them a like. And if it happens,

[50:28] >> he usible.

[50:34] Arman gave us another five pounds and

[50:36] said, "Hi, young guy here, 20. Um, I did

[50:41] not like this movie. It felt restrained.

[50:43] It's like Sonic 1. The villain was the

[50:45] best part, but Jared is not Jim Carrey.

[50:49] >> Jim Carrey Skeletor.

[50:51] >> Jim Carrey Skeletor.

[50:53] >> Jim Carrey Skeletor is honestly, how did

[50:55] they not do that?"

[50:57] >> Yeah. And that was I feel like a big

[50:59] part of why the Sonic movie felt big

[51:01] because it was his return to like this.

[51:03] Like

[51:03] >> I don't know if you could have gotten

[51:05] Mike Myers or something like that, but

[51:06] another comedian of that era who hasn't

[51:09] done this in a while. Yeah. And like

[51:11] >> you know or even Adam Sandler I think

[51:13] could have done something. But just like

[51:16] it needed to have that

[51:18] >> it needed to be a moment. Oh Jack,

[51:21] >> don't give it to Jack Black's in too

[51:22] much [ __ ] Sorry. No screen.

[51:26] I've got one.

[51:27] >> Okay.

[51:28] >> Robert Downey Jr.

[51:30] >> Why not? Yeah,

[51:32] >> I've got one.

[51:33] >> And he's a variant of Doom. [laughter]

[51:39] >> And Skeletor, go woke, go broke.

[51:42] [laughter]

[51:45] >> My face looks like this from the

[51:46] vaccines.

[51:48] >> [laughter]

[51:49] >> Yeah, it's like I feel like we will have

[51:51] a and and I it's going to be,

[51:54] >> you know, I'm I'm curious to see how

[51:55] this movie um ages because I don't think

[51:59] it's necessarily I've I've heard a

[52:00] couple people call it the new the next

[52:03] Speedraer. I don't think it's quite

[52:04] there, but I do think it's a movie that

[52:06] in a decade will get like people will

[52:08] look back on it and go, "Oh, that was a

[52:10] lot of fun." And it's weird that that

[52:12] bombed right next to this other thing

[52:14] that's now the biggest thing on Earth.

[52:16] Is there a chance?

[52:18] >> Oh, Bill.

[52:18] >> Oh, yeah. He would have been great.

[52:20] >> Is there a chance that this is gonna

[52:21] fall in the same kind of category as

[52:23] that Dungeons and Dragons movie a few

[52:25] years ago that was like super fun and

[52:28] really good? It should have started a

[52:30] franchise in a un You're right. Yeah.

[52:32] Sorry, Tom. I'm just asking.

[52:33] >> Yeah, sure.

[52:35] >> Elephantis. I I don't know.

[52:39] >> Melissa McCarthy

[52:41] [laughter] told not even joking.

[52:44] I I think the movie could have legs. I

[52:47] mean, it is just early June.

[52:49] >> Yeah.

[52:49] >> Kids are out for school. True.

[52:52] >> Maybe it'll have some legs, but I

[52:53] thought the same thing about uh

[52:55] Mandalorian and Grou. [laughter]

[52:57] >> It dropped like 70%.

[52:58] >> Dropped way worse than I thought it

[53:00] would. I think it dropped

[53:02] >> worse than Ant-Man Quantania. I think

[53:04] Ant-Man Conttoania was like a 69%

[53:06] >> and then this was at 74, which shocked

[53:08] me.

[53:09] >> Maybe it was 82. It was bad.

[53:12] >> It dropped 69.4. four or something like

[53:14] that. I think Quantum Mania was

[53:18] it was like high 50s. Yeah, it was not

[53:20] good or

[53:20] >> Yeah, it was really bad. No, it was

[53:22] higher 50s, I think. But anyway,

[53:24] >> uh the Stas 2049 gave us five bucks and

[53:26] said, "This movie doesn't need to make a

[53:28] billion dollars to be successful. It

[53:30] works for us Gen Xers. That's enough to

[53:32] be a success." Well, well, I think

[53:33] He-Man is a success in my heart. I'm

[53:35] sure Amazon would also like more of our

[53:37] money, too. Um,

[53:38] >> yeah, that's the tough part is like how

[53:40] do you make cheaper,

[53:42] >> you know, like what is the budget

[53:43] version of this movie? It really kind of

[53:45] doesn't exist.

[53:46] >> I think the budget

[53:48] >> Yeah, I think we saw the budget version

[53:50] of

[53:50] >> It's in 1987. Yeah, you get

[53:52] >> Well, how what was the budget on this

[53:54] movie?

[53:56] >> Probably maybe something like that.

[53:59] >> Is it just me or did it feel a little

[54:04] >> felt like a streaming movie a little

[54:05] bit? Look movie

[54:07] >> reported production budget between 170

[54:11] and 200 million because it needed to

[54:13] make around two and a half times its

[54:14] budget to break even. The film's poor

[54:15] opening makes it one of the summer box

[54:17] office big swaps.

[54:18] >> Well, I bet Skeletor was

[54:19] >> according to Google AI answer which

[54:21] takes from the Wikipedia article right

[54:22] underneath it.

[54:23] >> I gota turn off.

[54:25] >> Yeah, Idris Elba probably wasn't cheap

[54:28] and all the CG probably wasn't cheap.

[54:30] It's probably

[54:31] >> that was the CG. Yeah, definitely the

[54:33] CG. Dolph London's cameo. probably paid

[54:35] them. Um, Jordan Enrique gave us $5 and

[54:39] said, "A big family in front of me at

[54:40] the theater bought tickets to Scary

[54:42] Movie Six."

[54:44] >> And that's your target audience. Maybe

[54:46] it was Scary Movie Six that stepped on

[54:48] the toes.

[54:49] >> That came out this week. Okay. Yeah, I

[54:51] have no interest in that movie. I think

[54:52] a movie

[54:53] >> decent reviews. Hey, the first one was I

[54:54] mean the first two were funny and then

[54:56] amazing

[54:58] >> or The Ways Brothers left the Zucker. I

[55:00] think this one is I think a movie like

[55:03] Scary Movie gets people that don't

[55:05] normally go to the movies to go to the

[55:07] movie. You know what I mean? Like I feel

[55:09] like a lot of teenagers might go see

[55:11] Scary Movie just

[55:12] >> because like and you know they're loud

[55:14] throughout the movie and don't really

[55:16] even watch it. But

[55:17] >> Oh my god. Could you yell at the cloud

[55:19] louder Colton?

[55:21] >> Well, you know, I go and I saw the

[55:24] teenagers there and they were being loud

[55:26] and I don't like it.

[55:28] >> They are. There's so theater etiquette

[55:31] does not exist.

[55:32] >> Oh, I agree. No, I'm making fun of you.

[55:34] I'm always the guy who finds an usher

[55:36] and complains like there is someone on

[55:38] their phone have to do something.

[55:41] >> Dude, I was this my wife stopped me. I

[55:43] was like, I'm going to lean over and ask

[55:44] them if they plan on talking the entire

[55:46] movie. And she was like, just go tell

[55:48] the usher. I'm like, fine.

[55:50] >> I've done that so many time. I've yelled

[55:51] shut the [ __ ] up in theaters before. I

[55:53] have absolutely been that guy. It's not

[55:55] a fun position to be in.

[55:56] >> What about mashed potatoes? Have you

[55:58] ever had somebody try to talk to you

[56:00] that you're with and you'd have to be

[56:01] like,

[56:01] >> "Oh, yeah.

[56:02] >> Shut up."

[56:03] >> Yeah. [laughter]

[56:04] >> No, but seriously.

[56:05] >> Yeah. Shut up.

[56:06] >> And we used to see a lot of theater,

[56:07] too. And like that would you bring in

[56:09] visitors from out of town, you're like

[56:11] >> I said that to my nephew. He kept

[56:13] throwing it away.

[56:14] >> He kept asking me questions on a movie.

[56:16] And by like the fourth time, like at

[56:17] first I was like, "You got to whisper,

[56:19] buddy. You got to like the fourth time

[56:20] I'm like, "Stop talking." [laughter]

[56:22] >> Yeah.

[56:23] >> I mean, with kids, it's different. I

[56:25] mean, I don't know. a kid like

[56:26] especially in a kids movie. If you go

[56:28] see like I don't know Finding Dory is

[56:30] probably the last time I was in a movie

[56:31] and I was like wow there's children in

[56:33] this room.

[56:33] >> They get a pass. You know,

[56:35] >> I will say one of my core memories as a

[56:37] child was my father taking a full phone

[56:40] call in the early like [laughter]

[56:42] origin days of cell phones during a

[56:44] screening of the Santa Claus with Tim

[56:46] Allen. He took a COMPLETE PHONE CALL ON

[56:50] A massive brick style [laughter] cell

[56:51] phone

[56:52] >> in 1995. Yeah, he probably had an

[56:55] antenna with him, too.

[56:56] >> He did. It was insanity. And nobody

[56:59] batted an eyelash because I think

[57:00] they're all dazzled that a man had this

[57:02] contraction in the theater. But it was

[57:04] uh I'll never forget the embarrassment

[57:06] that I felt. [laughter]

[57:09] >> Mashed potatoes gave us two bucks and

[57:11] said Jared Leto strikes again. He really

[57:13] is. He's worse box office poison than

[57:16] Carrot Top to quote.

[57:17] >> Does he have other stuff in the future

[57:19] that we can like bet against somehow or

[57:22] something like that? those predictive

[57:23] [laughter] markets.

[57:24] >> What's the rest of his his cuz he's so

[57:27] like and I feel like eventually it's one

[57:30] of those things where like it's going to

[57:31] take time for the kind of producers to

[57:33] react to like this. So I can see why

[57:35] there's a couple of years of this

[57:37] happening but eventually it's got to

[57:38] burst right like there's going to

[57:40] >> Yeah. The thing is though, if you want

[57:42] to bet like that, Poly Market offers a

[57:44] great

[57:44] >> Oh, God. No. That's the one.

[57:46] >> They've got to do one of those. Long

[57:47] story.

[57:48] >> They've got to do a three Joker's film

[57:50] adaptation and bring or a Batman No Way

[57:53] Home. Do Batman.

[57:54] >> That is the That is the worst Batman. I

[57:58] hate that story. Anyways, Operation

[58:00] Spider gave us five Australian dollars

[58:02] and said with He-Man flopping, what does

[58:04] this mean for other 1990s IP or or

[58:07] 1900's IP? [laughter]

[58:09] 1990s. God,

[58:10] >> he actually wrote 1900's IP. So,

[58:13] basically for the Al Jolson movie that

[58:15] all the kids were looking forward to as

[58:16] well, the entire century. I'm looking

[58:18] forward to the supposed Power Rangers

[58:20] reboot, but I doubt if it's How many

[58:22] reboots of the Power Rangers have we

[58:23] gotten at this point? But the franchise

[58:25] is still Ghost even though they're not

[58:27] >> Yeah,

[58:29] there's anything from the 1900s that can

[58:31] really go and like would have legs in an

[58:33] adaptation. I mean, it's a question of

[58:36] like what because and I have this

[58:38] question or I ask this question a lot

[58:39] about um Harry Potter is like do kids

[58:42] now does a 10-year-old now know what

[58:44] Harry Potter is and care and it's that

[58:46] with Power Rangers and it's that with

[58:48] like it could be that with Spider-Man.

[58:50] The answer to Spider-Man is yes cuz they

[58:52] keep making cartoons and the movies keep

[58:53] kind of hitting but like with

[58:56] generational as well,

[58:58] >> right? Yeah. There's a lot of like that

[59:00] and that's why with this one I kind of

[59:01] see how where the gap was where people

[59:04] just weren't really thinking about

[59:05] Masters of the Universe very much. But

[59:08] um yeah, I don't know like Transformers

[59:10] can Transformers get back there because

[59:12] they're kind of you know Ninja Turtles

[59:14] they're kind of that last movie. But

[59:16] when Transformers came out in 2005, that

[59:19] was only 20 years after their their

[59:21] heyday in the 80s. And we had had, you

[59:24] know, Beast Wars and some other shows

[59:26] that were less successful, but that

[59:27] franchise had had I'm telling you, like

[59:29] He-Man Toys, you there's a great

[59:30] documentary episode of the toys that

[59:32] made us about this. They just overnight

[59:34] dropped off a cliff. Like I remember

[59:35] even as a kid being like, I'm good.

[59:37] >> And it was crazy how that happened. I

[59:40] feel like this movie came out like I

[59:43] don't know five 10 years too late

[59:45] because we've moved on

[59:47] >> we've moved on to to 90s is the

[59:49] nostalgia film now that that's where

[59:51] they're going cuz we had that little

[59:53] trend where you know they were pulling

[59:54] from 80s stuff but now we're kind of

[59:56] >> usually every 20 years fashion is in 20

[59:58] years cycles

[59:59] >> like Ryan you're the target demo for I

[1:00:02] mean right because you're what like

[1:00:04] mid-40s right like you're

[1:00:05] >> Oh no no no I'm the he they made the

[1:00:08] trailer for me. Yeah. I know. Yeah, it

[1:00:10] said some Watch this Ryan at the end of

[1:00:11] it 100%.

[1:00:12] >> You know what what I want to see is a

[1:00:17] like seven style cop thriller about a

[1:00:21] criminal profiler that has to find a

[1:00:24] serial killer amongst a a crowd a

[1:00:27] diverse crowd of people.

[1:00:29] I'll guess who the game and he just has

[1:00:32] to [laughter] go down and then at the

[1:00:34] end there's just a guy standing like in

[1:00:37] a in Time Square sipping sipping a diet

[1:00:40] coke eating a hot dog and HE'S LIKE

[1:00:41] YOU'RE TOM AND THEN

[1:00:43] >> but but you laugh but this okay so this

[1:00:46] keeps happening in Hollywood though

[1:00:47] because there was going to be a Monopoly

[1:00:49] movie made by Ridley Scott around the

[1:00:50] time they made Battleship right there

[1:00:52] was going to be um oh oh give me a

[1:00:54] second um let's see the oh yeah the

[1:00:58] other franchise They were developing for

[1:01:00] a little bit. They were diving headlong

[1:01:01] into 80s stuff. In the 90s, it was

[1:01:03] remakes of TV shows from the 50s for

[1:01:06] some reason. Beverly Hillbillies and the

[1:01:07] Brady Bunch. Like that's when they were

[1:01:09] doing all of that.

[1:01:10] >> Yeah. Bewitched, right? So that was a

[1:01:12] big thing for a little bit. It really is

[1:01:14] somebody does it successful, everybody

[1:01:15] else hops on board. And I think He-Man

[1:01:18] in part because it's also Mattel is

[1:01:19] people going, "Oh, well, what other toys

[1:01:21] and properties are there?"

[1:01:23] >> And this is a big sign that it won't

[1:01:24] keep going.

[1:01:25] >> A Monopoly movie would be brilliant. You

[1:01:28] could do like Wolf of Wall Street, like

[1:01:30] Moneyball type of movie with Monopoly.

[1:01:31] >> The thing they were going to do. Yeah,

[1:01:33] they you go they went into Monopoly

[1:01:34] world. It was actually a little bit like

[1:01:36] what we got with Barbie. Um

[1:01:38] >> I believe. But yeah, really.

[1:01:41] >> Yeah.

[1:01:41] >> I would have liked to have seen an

[1:01:42] Oliver Stone Monopoly movie. That would

[1:01:44] be

[1:01:45] >> conspiracies.

[1:01:47] Yeah.

[1:01:48] >> Park place is owned by the Saudis.

[1:01:50] Follow the oil money. [laughter]

[1:01:54] Mikeu gave us two about three bucks

[1:01:57] Canadian and said Letto felt like the

[1:01:59] worst part and the dialogue. I mean

[1:02:01] again I liked Leto in the movie but

[1:02:03] >> I thought Skeletor was the best part of

[1:02:05] the movie. Yeah.

[1:02:06] >> Yeah.

[1:02:07] >> See Skeletor tough though because I do

[1:02:08] think he feels like the he feels like

[1:02:10] out of out of all the characters the

[1:02:12] most weediny character where he is the

[1:02:15] character who's like I'm doing a

[1:02:16] monologue now. You guys should laugh at

[1:02:18] my monologue. And I still do find those

[1:02:20] bits entertaining, but I don't

[1:02:22] necessarily think he fit with what like

[1:02:25] Alison Brie was doing, which I do think

[1:02:26] I like more. And like I think that

[1:02:28] really really on like ontarget campy

[1:02:32] version of uh Evelyn Eivelyn. Um feels

[1:02:36] like it's it's in a different like I

[1:02:39] don't know, it's a different space. Um

[1:02:41] but you know, I also think anybody else

[1:02:43] could have done that that Skeletor.

[1:02:45] That's my la last kind of you give

[1:02:47] anybody with charisma that role and

[1:02:49] they'll get you something as good as

[1:02:50] that cuz it's Skeletor. He's like so

[1:02:52] agreeing weird.

[1:02:54] >> Any voice actor really could have done

[1:02:57] >> and shout out shout out the script then

[1:02:59] because we're all praising Skeletor and

[1:03:00] we're saying it's in spite of

[1:03:02] >> Ryan. I am shocked by the lack of

[1:03:04] Allison Brie commentary from you.

[1:03:06] >> I love Alison Brie, man. She's great.

[1:03:07] [laughter] Loved her in community. Had

[1:03:09] the biggest crush on her. I think she's

[1:03:11] just great in this movie. She can do

[1:03:12] anything. Low deserved a fifth season.

[1:03:14] That was her prestige drama. And uh I

[1:03:16] think if they have to recast She-Hulk,

[1:03:18] it should be her. I think she's

[1:03:19] fantastic.

[1:03:19] >> Oh, that would be something. Yeah.

[1:03:21] >> Apparently, we walked by her in an

[1:03:23] airport once and I didn't see her and I

[1:03:24] was like, "You've got to be [ __ ]

[1:03:25] kidding me." Anyways, [clears throat] Q

[1:03:27] Man, WPG gave us 10 Canadian dollars.

[1:03:29] This will be our last super chat, I

[1:03:30] think. Well, I thought Masters of the

[1:03:31] Universe was okay. Letto being my

[1:03:33] favorite part. I feel the franchise

[1:03:35] recognition also played a part. Could

[1:03:36] there be another Mattel franchise they

[1:03:38] could mash it up with for a potential

[1:03:40] sequel? Well,

[1:03:41] >> why did they call it Masters of the Uni?

[1:03:43] Why didn't they call it He-Man? Nobody

[1:03:45] knows what the [ __ ] Masters of the

[1:03:47] Universe is.

[1:03:48] >> Because the show was called He-Man and

[1:03:49] the M It's fine. It's a long story, but

[1:03:51] yeah, valid point.

[1:03:55] >> Yeah. Why does Why does the show not

[1:03:58] just called He-Man? Like He-Man's

[1:03:59] clearly the guy. I feel like there's

[1:04:01] something connected to the idea of

[1:04:03] He-Man that is unpalatable to people.

[1:04:06] But I mean, it's still better than

[1:04:08] calling Masters of the Universe. But

[1:04:10] yeah, they asked about other Mattel

[1:04:11] properties that could do this.

[1:04:13] >> Yeah. Or just whatever. Yeah. I mean,

[1:04:15] you can expand past that.

[1:04:18] >> Yeah. What would have been cool is, you

[1:04:20] know, you do

[1:04:21] >> the Ninja Turtles, G.I. Joe,

[1:04:23] Transformers, and Masters of the

[1:04:25] Universe. But I think Transformers and

[1:04:28] G.I. Joe. That's Hasbro, right? And then

[1:04:30] you have Matt. Yeah. So,

[1:04:32] >> they were going to do a crossover for a

[1:04:34] long time. That was the plan. I think

[1:04:35] >> you could do an Avengers kind of movie.

[1:04:37] Have He-Man be the Thor. You bring in

[1:04:40] Snake Eyes. You bring in uh Bumblebee

[1:04:44] and which one of the turtles? Maybe

[1:04:46] Michael. Oh god, I'm getting really

[1:04:48] excited. Bring in a Power Ranger, too.

[1:04:50] >> Looking at the list of them now, if I

[1:04:52] had to call some of these I'm like,

[1:04:53] okay, this is a movie that this could be

[1:04:55] a movie. American Girl doll that's owned

[1:04:57] by Mattel. That could be a movie. It's

[1:04:58] not one I

[1:04:59] >> And the movie rights are owned by a lot

[1:05:01] of them by Paramount that you just

[1:05:02] named, too. I think they have Ninja

[1:05:03] Turtles and Transformers and G.I. Joe.

[1:05:06] So that's true that and also I mean if

[1:05:10] if it goes through Warner Brothers and

[1:05:11] Paramount same thing Warner Brothers has

[1:05:13] Barbie. I mean

[1:05:14] >> but the thing is my whole point is I

[1:05:16] think people don't give a [ __ ] about

[1:05:17] that kind of thing anymore. I think even

[1:05:19] like in terms of the MCU,

[1:05:21] >> um the only reason the big crossover

[1:05:22] movies worked is because we enjoyed the

[1:05:24] previous movies and we were eager to see

[1:05:26] these people who we liked in Iraq. And

[1:05:28] somewhere along the line, I kind of feel

[1:05:30] like that got shuffled away, not just

[1:05:31] with the MCU, but with a lot of these um

[1:05:34] you know, Fast and Furious jumping the

[1:05:36] shark, aka the nuclear submarine in the

[1:05:38] Arctic. But anyways, I could go on, but

[1:05:40] we should probably wrap up there.

[1:05:42] >> American Girl dolls should be a horror

[1:05:43] movie.

[1:05:44] >> Oh, that'd be interesting. Yeah,

[1:05:46] >> I'm a [snorts] little disappointed in

[1:05:47] that subg genre as well. The blood and

[1:05:49] honeys and stuff like that not being any

[1:05:51] good. That's a fun idea.

[1:05:51] >> Those are trash. But

[1:05:52] >> Peter Pan is like ripe for it.

[1:05:55] >> Last thought on the on the Mattel stuff

[1:05:57] because I do I'm s not surprised because

[1:05:59] I'm sure they've been working on this

[1:06:01] for a while like a He-Man movie. I feel

[1:06:03] like the for me the obvious move was

[1:06:06] this is the movie you put Ken in. Have

[1:06:08] Ken travel to the He-Man universe and

[1:06:09] learn about masculinity from the other

[1:06:11] toys that are there.

[1:06:13] >> And that's your kind of here's a movie

[1:06:14] star. here's an event. Like that's what

[1:06:17] this movie was lacking. It's a different

[1:06:18] movie, but um I feel like there's

[1:06:20] something there uh that, you know, we'll

[1:06:24] see what they end up doing with those

[1:06:25] because I'm I'm sure they want to spin

[1:06:27] Barbie in other directions so they can

[1:06:28] get the most out of that and

[1:06:30] >> and I'm sure they never can because I

[1:06:32] don't think anyone in that cast will do

[1:06:33] it unless it's a different Ken like I

[1:06:35] can see that

[1:06:36] >> they have been trying to make this movie

[1:06:37] forever. Didn't Kevin Smith like pin a

[1:06:40] script for this or something?

[1:06:41] >> Well, he Yeah. And he did the Netflix

[1:06:43] series. Yeah.

[1:06:43] >> Yeah.

[1:06:44] >> Yeah. other people have over the years

[1:06:45] too and since the 20s I remember reading

[1:06:46] about this in um Wizard magazine like in

[1:06:49] the 2000s they were trying to get this

[1:06:51] done and I think instead what we're

[1:06:52] going to get instead of like a big

[1:06:54] sprawling Masters of the Universe

[1:06:55] cinematic universe what we're likely

[1:06:57] going to get

[1:06:58] >> is something more time she well we're

[1:07:01] going to get Shira no matter what I

[1:07:03] think they're gonna if they do another

[1:07:04] big screen release they're going to be

[1:07:05] and call it He-Man and Shira and that's

[1:07:07] that'll be the name of it the secret of

[1:07:08] the sword which was their first TV movie

[1:07:10] I think that it's gonna go the way of

[1:07:12] see

[1:07:14] He-Man and Shira quantum mania. [snorts]

[1:07:16] >> There you go. He-Man and Shira. They

[1:07:19] don't know their brother and sister, so

[1:07:20] they might kiss. Get that crowd. But

[1:07:22] anyways um

[1:07:23] >> do well in middle America. I'm sorry.

[1:07:25] >> Yeah. Hi people. Um DD Hey gave us 23 24

[1:07:32] and said talking about Hasbro, Magic the

[1:07:34] Gathering could have been the project.

[1:07:36] By the way, any Easter eggs in the

[1:07:38] Marvel edition coming out? Um

[1:07:40] >> Oh yeah. Have you guys seen those cards?

[1:07:42] They're very funny. There's a I'm not a

[1:07:45] big magic guy, but Magic is doing its

[1:07:47] like I think it's called like World

[1:07:48] Beyond World or something where they

[1:07:50] kind of have different universes. And

[1:07:51] there's apparently a um Sauron card.

[1:07:54] Sauron the lizard man that either heals

[1:07:58] you by curing cancer or turns one of the

[1:08:00] guys in your card like set into a

[1:08:03] dinosaur. So like that's the kind of

[1:08:05] level of weird. Yeah. I uh I I the one

[1:08:08] thing about it is there's very few

[1:08:10] X-Men. So, I do feel like they're saving

[1:08:11] a lot of the X-Men for later, which will

[1:08:13] be the most exciting one. But, um, but

[1:08:15] yeah people

[1:08:16] >> people seem to have fun with these.

[1:08:18] Like, I'm not a big magic guy, but uh,

[1:08:19] but yeah, there have been some cool

[1:08:20] things. And isn't there a magic movie

[1:08:22] coming out? I want to say the guy from

[1:08:24] front of the band, the show, the movie

[1:08:25] is working on it. Like,

[1:08:27] >> magic was always when that became the

[1:08:29] thing. I remember and I was in high

[1:08:31] school and I I that's when I watched it

[1:08:33] and I watched my friends doing it and I

[1:08:34] said, I think I'm good. I think that's

[1:08:36] the part of fandom that I'm going to

[1:08:38] leave over there. And it's no shade to

[1:08:40] anybody who does it. It's it's huge and

[1:08:41] it kept comic books shops afloat for

[1:08:43] years with match tournaments.

[1:08:45] >> So, but my expertise in that is like

[1:08:47] it's a giant gaping black hole. Guys, we

[1:08:49] got to wrap it up. I'm so I can do this

[1:08:51] all day.

[1:08:52] >> Um, but Nando, you can find him on the

[1:08:53] mostly nitpicking podcast or on his

[1:08:55] channel which is linked below. Matt, so

[1:08:57] good to see you. Please come on again.

[1:08:59] >> Yeah,

[1:09:00] >> absolutely. Hopefully

[1:09:02] >> nonbomb in the future. Hopefully for a

[1:09:04] what a non a movie that is successful

[1:09:07] and cool.

[1:09:08] >> We would love it. Come on anytime. We do

[1:09:10] this just about every day. See you

[1:09:12] later. And oh [ __ ] Tommy. Oh my god.

[1:09:15] >> Oh my god. Janet, get your hands off my

[1:09:17] nunchucks. I got to go, guys. I'm so

[1:09:20] sorry.

[1:09:20] >> See you later. And Colton, of course,

[1:09:22] you can find him here on the channel or

[1:09:23] his own channel, which is linked below.

[1:09:26] >> That's the crescendo.

[1:09:29] [laughter]

[1:09:29] >> And talk to you later. We want to hear

[1:09:31] from you guys. Guys, let me hear your

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