Slate Price Revealed, Koenigsegg Jesko Records, Honda Element Returns, and More! THIS CAR POD! EP117

[00:05] Hello and welcome to this car pod.

[00:09] >> Filippo.

[00:10] >> We This is a big one, folks. We're we're

[00:12] at No one is local. Kennan, I guess is,

[00:14] I don't know. But Filippo appears to be

[00:16] in some sort of Porsche enthusiast

[00:18] studio.

[00:19] >> it. It's It's who we are now.

[00:21] >> Between the

[00:22] You got like an Eames chair, a 964 and

[00:25] one of those speaker things. This person

[00:27] has a watch collection that would that

[00:29] would You know what? Am I right, Kennan?

[00:31] >> This person is wearing a Marantz t-shirt

[00:33] like they just love like

[00:34] >> [laughter]

[00:35] >> I love coffee.

[00:36] >> The studio you're sitting in is

[00:37] currently

[00:39] uh is currently

[00:41] uh touching his man bun while discussing

[00:44] deviated stitching options with his

[00:46] Porsche enthusiast friends.

[00:48] >> There are a couple Porsches in this

[00:51] garage.

[00:51] >> Tasteful.

[00:53] That's unfortunate. All right. Uh we got

[00:55] a lot to cover today. Let's start with

[00:57] uh our news stories. Uh go ahead,

[00:59] Kennan.

[01:00] >> What you got?

[01:00] >> Oh, it's the first new story. It's

[01:02] notable because pricing has been

[01:03] revealed for the Slate vehicles.

[01:06] Do you want to guess what the starting

[01:08] price is?

[01:08] >> It's like 25, right?

[01:10] >> Yeah, 25 grand without destination. We

[01:12] don't know the destination pricing yet.

[01:14] Is what the pickup truck is Just as a

[01:16] quick reminder of of specs. Uh these

[01:18] have like 200-ish

[01:21] uh mile range. They start out as a

[01:23] pickup truck. It's about It's like a

[01:24] It's somewhere

[01:26] uh It's like a little bit longer than a

[01:28] GTI or a Volkswagen Golf in length. It's

[01:31] a pretty small truck. And as a base

[01:33] price,

[01:34] uh rear-wheel drive, 200-ish miles of

[01:36] electric range, uh EV only,

[01:39] crank windows, no stereo, etc.

[01:41] >> I'm just going to tell you right now

[01:42] this isn't going to sell.

[01:44] >> So, that's the issue, right? So, they

[01:46] also have other body styles. And the way

[01:48] their entire thing is that it's very

[01:49] customizable. So, if you want a color,

[01:51] if you don't want it to be raw metal, uh

[01:53] you need to you need to get a wrap. The

[01:55] wrap starts at $500 plus install. Uh you

[01:58] can also add in like speaker grills and

[02:00] different

[02:01] >> Can I just Can I just stereo after this?

[02:03] >> The Maverick starts at 27.

[02:06] >> It It's gone up a little bit. It's like

[02:07] 29 something.

[02:09] >> I'm looking a 26 Maverick starts at

[02:11] 27,145 without destination. And that's

[02:14] apples to apples cuz we don't know

[02:15] destination on this slate thing.

[02:17] Maverick's 27. Maverick has four doors.

[02:20] Uh it paint It has paint.

[02:22] >> Yep. They paint the Maverick right there

[02:24] for you.

[02:25] >> Yeah. Has a stereo.

[02:26] >> They do the They do the painting right

[02:29] there for you.

[02:30] >> Yeah.

[02:30] >> Um and the nation is kind of turned on

[02:32] EVs in general. And obviously now people

[02:35] are going to watch this, the internet

[02:37] people.

[02:38] NO WAY, THIS IS SO CHEAP truck little

[02:40] truck. This is what everybody wants.

[02:42] Nah.

[02:43] >> Also you can you can add a squareback

[02:46] SUV and a fastback SUV.

[02:49] Those are the squareback coupe.

[02:51] >> Yeah, the squareback is 5,000 additional

[02:54] dollars. So

[02:54] >> You're at 30 pre-destination.

[02:56] >> The fastback is 32 pre-destination.

[03:00] >> Ooh.

[03:00] >> I

[03:01] >> [laughter]

[03:01] >> It is not competitive. Now I think

[03:03] they're hoping

[03:04] >> Does that come with a

[03:05] >> Yes, it does. It comes with a three-seat

[03:07] bench. It also

[03:07] >> is a base What is What other stuff does

[03:09] a base slate not have? It only has two

[03:11] airbags?

[03:12] >> No, no, no. Adding the SUV adds two

[03:14] airbags.

[03:15] >> What other stuff does a base slate not

[03:16] have?

[03:17] >> It doesn't have a stereo. It doesn't

[03:18] have a key fob as far as I can tell. Uh

[03:21] it doesn't have like a center armrest.

[03:22] It doesn't have a door like a padded

[03:23] armrest. There's a lot of things that

[03:25] you can add and you can customize.

[03:27] Uh there

[03:28] doesn't have like an infotainment

[03:29] screen. There's a spot for your phone.

[03:30] It's very, very, very bare-bones. And

[03:33] they uh if you read like their like

[03:34] engineering interviews and the the few

[03:36] folks have driven it and talked to to

[03:38] the the their teams so that Topia

[03:39] included. And if you read their reviews

[03:41] their engineers are very proud of the

[03:43] fact that this is a very simple truck.

[03:44] Like the frame is not uh like a

[03:48] single cast. It's a bunch of welds

[03:50] together. Every kind of component is

[03:52] really really simple.

[03:53] >> remember Do you remember how the Tata

[03:55] Nano was going to change India?

[03:58] >> For $7,000, yeah.

[03:59] >> This is 20 years ago. Tata came out with

[04:01] this little car called the Nano that it

[04:03] was it was like seven grand new and it

[04:05] was going to change India.

[04:07] And

[04:09] and what happened was no one bought it.

[04:11] >> [laughter]

[04:12] >> Now, I've also I also remember some

[04:14] modular cars where you can where you can

[04:15] customize them. Kenan, remember the Z1?

[04:18] >> Oh, of course. Yeah, the idea was that

[04:19] if you could do it and you change every

[04:21] panel on the car yourself in essence and

[04:23] totally change the color of the car. And

[04:24] guess what?

[04:25] No one did that. I think that it was No

[04:27] one ever did it. I think the only people

[04:29] I know that actually documented it like

[04:31] wheeler dealers did it. And it they it

[04:33] was supposed to be fast. Took them like

[04:35] a week.

[04:36] >> Took them like multiple days with like

[04:38] trained mechanics in a shop.

[04:41] Um the Smart car was the same way

[04:43] initially, believe it or not. And Oh,

[04:45] Flippo's gone. You know, it's fine. Uh

[04:47] the SMART CAR

[04:49] >> [laughter]

[04:50] [gasps]

[04:51] >> AND UH AND THAT DIDN'T WORK EITHER. NO

[04:53] ONE really ever bothered to change the

[04:54] color and for the second generation, the

[04:56] color changing situation was gone.

[04:58] Kenan,

[04:59] well, given that you're not the Slate

[05:01] Truck consumer, tell us what your

[05:03] thoughts are on um

[05:05] simple vehicles.

[05:07] >> Well, I do like a simple vehicle despite

[05:09] being someone who owns only complex

[05:10] vehicles. Um but I do think that like

[05:13] I liked the idea of it when it came out

[05:15] and it made sense in that context, but

[05:17] we all knew they just weren't going to

[05:18] hit their target. So, what I think they

[05:19] need to

[05:20] >> do is release another Wes Anderson style

[05:21] Q&A session with the CEO cuz that really

[05:25] really got us where we needed [laughter]

[05:26] to go with it last time.

[05:27] >> She's out. She's out.

[05:30] >> That's tough. Um but I don't I don't

[05:32] know. I mean like I I just Why would you

[05:35] get this? Like it just doesn't it

[05:37] doesn't make sense economically. I don't

[05:38] think there's a lot of demand for it in

[05:40] the US. I mean, I guess we order on

[05:42] Amazon Prime and it shows up the next

[05:43] day. That's nice, but I don't know.

[05:45] >> Right. You know what problem I have also

[05:46] is

[05:47] ultimately EVs are for rich people. Like

[05:50] the infrastructure required and the

[05:52] lifestyle situation required to have an

[05:54] EV right now

[05:56] makes them kind of a rich person car.

[05:59] It's just sort of the reality. You got

[06:00] to have a house, you got to have a

[06:02] charger. Like yes, you can charge in

[06:03] public. There are a lot of people who do

[06:05] it with Model 3s, but in general it's

[06:08] easier if you have more money to have an

[06:10] EV, which is why most EVs have been

[06:12] shooting for high-end segments. And this

[06:15] truck is a

[06:16] tended to appeal to people who are like

[06:17] at the at the kind of lower end

[06:19] entry-level of pickup segment, but it's

[06:21] like 25 grand for the truck, but then

[06:22] you also have to figure out your charge

[06:24] situation and you can't be driving more

[06:26] than 200 miles, you know, between

[06:28] charges, which is not a significant

[06:29] distance

[06:31] or 100 when it gets cold. It's just uh

[06:34] it'll be interesting and I know there's

[06:35] going to be a thousand people replying

[06:37] to this and being like

[06:38] >> THIS IS WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT. We'll see.

[06:41] I have a suspicion we'll we'll we'll

[06:43] see.

[06:44] >> Yeah, I I I sort of feel the same way

[06:45] about it. I'm excited to see it. I'm

[06:47] very excited for you to review it, um

[06:48] but nonetheless it's just

[06:50] just seems like a tough sell in a lot of

[06:52] regards.

[06:53] >> Filippo, we kept going.

[06:55] Um

[06:55] >> I'm glad you did.

[06:56] >> Well, Filippo [laughter] was there. He's

[06:57] seen it. He was at the launch event. He

[06:58] got a tattoo.

[07:00] >> Filippo, I I know that I know that

[07:01] you're hanging out uh with your Porsche

[07:03] enthusiasts right now discussing 997.2

[07:06] wheel options. Oh, the Carrera Classics.

[07:10] But can you tell us you agree this

[07:12] little thing's going to fail, yeah?

[07:13] >> I

[07:14] I think their hope is that there's like

[07:15] a cuteness, novelty, personalization.

[07:18] That doesn't last. I agree. So, like

[07:20] they maybe get a few reservations, a few

[07:23] sales but

[07:24] it's not competitive.

[07:26] >> I think they're going to have a great

[07:27] first model year when you have a lot of

[07:29] pent-up demand interested in this little

[07:31] cool interesting new exciting truck. I

[07:33] think they're going to have one great

[07:35] first model year, like a lot of cars

[07:36] that that primarily sell based on their

[07:39] sort of wow interesting factor. And then

[07:42] like like the Santa Cruz, honestly. And

[07:44] then after that, you're going to be

[07:46] stuck trying to find people who are

[07:47] going to be hard to find.

[07:48] >> I'm not even sure it'll be that

[07:50] successful the first year. Like the Fiat

[07:51] 500e that you reviewed, it's a new

[07:53] generation, it's a low-range electric,

[07:56] it's cute, it has like the like it makes

[07:59] weird noises, it plays like Ode to Joy

[08:01] or something.

[08:01] >> Yeah, yeah.

[08:02] >> Something like that. That's cute, that's

[08:04] funky. It's not a practical fit in the

[08:07] market, it's not competitive, and that's

[08:08] going to be true for this light, too.

[08:10] >> No.

[08:10] >> Right. You would rather have a Maverick,

[08:12] Filippo?

[08:13] >> Yeah, 100%.

[08:14] >> Would you rather have

[08:15] >> asked me, and I've heavily recommended a

[08:17] Maverick.

[08:17] >> Would you rather have a

[08:19] a used Duramax heavy-duty?

[08:22] >> I think that that's a different

[08:23] clientele.

[08:24] >> [laughter]

[08:24] >> You know, I actually It's interesting

[08:25] that you say that because I actually

[08:26] think a big a big competitor to this

[08:29] truck will actually be used pickup

[08:31] trucks.

[08:31] >> Yeah, but not a huge a used Duramax.

[08:33] >> No, not a Duramax.

[08:34] But I do think that there there going to

[08:36] be a lot of people who are comparing

[08:38] this because ultimately it's a it's a

[08:39] price-conscious clientele. There're

[08:41] going to be a lot of people who And now

[08:42] there are a lot more mid-size and small

[08:44] trucks in the US market between Ranger

[08:46] and Colorado and Canyon and Maverick and

[08:48] Santa Cruz. And there're going to be a

[08:49] lot of people who are comparing it to

[08:50] all of those trucks as a used product.

[08:53] And you tell me how it this is better

[08:55] than a 3-year-old Frontier.

[08:57] >> It's not.

[08:58] >> The only way that that I think it could

[09:00] have some success is if they lean really

[09:02] heavily into the commercial market. If

[09:03] you're a florist and you can make this

[09:05] really tailored to your brand and it's

[09:08] cheap enough, maybe.

[09:09] >> Right, but like that's such a niche.

[09:12] >> Every florist I know has a Maverick.

[09:15] >> Or a Transit They all have Ford Transit

[09:16] Connects.

[09:17] >> Transit Connect, yeah.

[09:18] >> [laughter]

[09:18] >> Yeah.

[09:18] >> All right, move on to our next news

[09:19] story. We got our first news story, car

[09:21] vehicle fails, startup vehicle fails.

[09:23] Oh, speaking of startup vehicles that

[09:24] failed, did you see this, Filippo?

[09:26] >> Of course. The Honda Element is coming

[09:28] back in 2029.

[09:30] >> Make it a convertible. Make it a

[09:32] convertible.

[09:33] >> a convertible originally. know,

[09:35] >> everybody wants convertibles now. The

[09:36] Bronco wasn't a convertible originally

[09:38] and look at us now.

[09:40] >> Had a top that came off.

[09:42] >> Yeah, but now it just you

[09:44] And in the past you had to like you and

[09:46] four of your closest friends like over a

[09:49] [laughter] couple of cold ones had to

[09:51] pull the thing off. And now look at us.

[09:54] The Element will be so much better if

[09:55] it's a convertible. Please, please there

[09:57] is a there is a lack of convertible SUVs

[10:00] on the market today.

[10:01] >> know why, Doug? Cuz the market has

[10:03] spoken and then it spoken again and then

[10:05] it has spoken again and then it has

[10:06] spoken again and then it has spoken

[10:07] again and then it has spoken again.

[10:08] >> Excuse me, do you know how many sales

[10:10] Wranglers they sold last year?

[10:11] [laughter] Are you crazy?

[10:13] 167,000

[10:14] I don't think the Element is going to be

[10:15] priced like that. They sold 167,000

[10:18] Jeep Wranglers last year. 167.

[10:22] Ford sold 146,000

[10:25] full-size Broncos last year. That's

[10:27] 320,000

[10:30] sales of convertible SUVs last year. And

[10:32] Toyota sits here and they're like, "Oh,

[10:34] THE FOUR THE BACK WINDOW goes down."

[10:37] >> That's cool, which we all love.

[10:40] Regardless, the the Honda Element is

[10:42] going to come back.

[10:43] Our My understanding is that it's going

[10:45] to be a relatively boxy vehicle and it's

[10:46] going to be Bronco Sport size and a

[10:49] Bronco Sport competitor. So like a more

[10:51] utilitarian cutie square HR-V CR-V and

[10:56] that.

[10:56] >> It is interesting that you have an

[10:58] understanding. Do you have an

[10:59] understanding about the roof situation?

[11:01] >> Yeah,

[11:02] no.

[11:04] And by the way, we're not going to talk

[11:05] about the ability to hose it down

[11:07] because every Honda Element fan knows

[11:09] that that is a recipe for disaster.

[11:11] >> No, no, you just hose it down.

[11:13] If so some mold ends up in the car, who

[11:15] cares?

[11:17] >> [clears throat]

[11:17] >> We're going to have this debate in the

[11:19] Element forums today.

[11:20] >> If mold ends up in the car, Kennan, you

[11:22] know what you do? You hose down the

[11:24] mold.

[11:25] Just keep hosing.

[11:27] >> [laughter]

[11:28] >> It's no problem.

[11:30] >> More more more water pressure. I'm

[11:32] actually very excited about this. I love

[11:34] the original Honda Element. I thought

[11:35] they were really cool cars back then. So

[11:37] I I makes sense to bring it back now.

[11:38] Like I think it fits like it fits a lot

[11:40] of needs and maybe this one you can

[11:42] actually hose it down. Maybe they'll

[11:43] actually go the distance.

[11:45] >> I think the Element never should have

[11:46] gone out of production. And I understand

[11:49] sort of why it did, but I think that if

[11:51] they had committed to it a little bit

[11:52] more, it actually probably could have

[11:54] been the boxy thing had kind of died.

[11:56] There was that Scion and all that, but I

[11:58] think that like a little bit of an

[11:59] alteration and it could have been like

[12:01] an Outback Sport Impreza Outback Sport.

[12:03] What is that called? The Crosstrek

[12:04] competitor. Like I really I think it

[12:06] could have like lived in that space.

[12:08] Yeah, it could have been something like

[12:09] that.

[12:10] >> I do have an important question, which

[12:11] is with all respect to our friends at

[12:14] Honda, are you ready to be disappointed?

[12:18] >> Oh, wow. You think it's going to be bad?

[12:20] >> No, the Passport's not a bad vehicle,

[12:23] but you're you're going to have these

[12:25] ambitions to what it is.

[12:26] >> Yeah, that's you're so right. They won't

[12:28] commit to like make they like they like

[12:30] take an idea and then water down the

[12:32] idea to the point where it's really a

[12:35] disappointment. It's going to be a like

[12:37] a squared-off HRV is my guess.

[12:40] With some cladding.

[12:42] >> You're probably right.

[12:43] >> Yeah, you're right.

[12:45] >> But I I'm pretty [laughter] sure the

[12:46] previous one was competitive.

[12:47] >> The previous one had dual sunroofs. If

[12:49] they do a convertible, Filippo will buy

[12:51] it.

[12:52] >> Absolutely not.

[12:54] If they do a convertible, I will have a

[12:55] conversation about buying it. I'll tell

[12:57] you what, Honda, I'll make you this

[12:59] promise. If you do a convertible

[13:01] Element, it will be our lead news story

[13:04] on the pod the week you announce it.

[13:06] You'll get you'll reach a massive

[13:08] audience.

[13:10] >> [laughter]

[13:13] >> Yep. This is my promise to you.

[13:16] >> It is a massive audience though, to be

[13:18] fair. Was this Was this car Was this car

[13:19] built in Ohio?

[13:21] >> The Element? I don't know the answer

[13:23] that.

[13:23] >> I don't know the answer to that. I feel

[13:25] like it was, but I might very well I'm

[13:27] likely wrong with it.

[13:27] >> Was it? Okay.

[13:28] >> East Liberty.

[13:29] >> Yeah.

[13:30] >> Shut up.

[13:30] >> Um all right, there needs to be a

[13:32] convertible 4Runner. Next news story.

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[16:04] They're not replacing him.

[16:06] Um

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[16:24] as much cash uh as they have been. They

[16:27] weren't able to sell very many Gravity's

[16:29] due to a to a supplier issue. They

[16:30] weren't able to build very many. They

[16:32] now will have a

[16:33] >> Yeah, that's why they couldn't sell

[16:34] them.

[16:34] >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, it didn't help.

[16:36] >> Layoffs are sad, and I always feel sad

[16:39] when there are layoffs cuz I know how

[16:40] that affects people, and it's real.

[16:43] Lucid's product strategy has been

[16:44] interesting,

[16:46] to put it mildly. And I think that um we

[16:49] were just talking in our group text the

[16:50] other day about how insane it is in the

[16:52] day of SUVs that all these automakers

[16:54] decided that they would launch

[16:56] sedans as their first EV. Porsche made

[16:58] the mistake, Lucid made the mistake.

[17:00] Various others did, too. But then to

[17:02] follow up the sedan with a minivan.

[17:05] >> I I'm into it. I love the Gravity.

[17:07] >> The problem is

[17:08] >> I've heard some issues.

[17:09] >> The problem is you're a contrarian, and

[17:11] most people when faced with a $125,000

[17:14] minivan or a Rivian, they're not

[17:16] choosing the the minivan.

[17:18] >> is that it's not $125,000.

[17:21] >> Yeah, yeah, that's right. The

[17:23] transaction price is 41 7.

[17:25] >> by the way, that's why all the layoffs

[17:27] are happening.

[17:28] >> [laughter]

[17:28] >> Yep.

[17:29] A couple of other pieces of news from

[17:30] Lucid, they are still working on their

[17:31] mid-size crossover that should be

[17:34] revealed soon. I think that one's for

[17:36] the urban moms or whatever they call it.

[17:38] >> not look like [clears throat] the

[17:40] Gravity. It won't. Lucid Lucid

[17:44] make it boxy.

[17:45] >> They will they will absolutely not make

[17:47] it boxy.

[17:47] >> The Kia Telluride should tell you

[17:49] everything you need to know. The funny

[17:50] thing is, I've been doing this make it

[17:52] boxy tangent for years, and some

[17:53] automakers have sort of come up with a

[17:55] high and mighty attitude about it. Like,

[17:57] we're not going to go down the G Wagon

[17:58] road, we're going to make the XM. We're

[18:00] going to make the Gravity. Well, when

[18:01] you don't make it boxy, you are rewarded

[18:03] with bad sales. So, that's your choice,

[18:05] I guess. If you want to do minivans and

[18:07] and and jelly bean sedans, it's it's

[18:09] what you're doing.

[18:10] >> Yep. Also, by the way, very sad news for

[18:13] anybody expecting their Gravity, they

[18:14] eliminated their second shift of

[18:16] production at their Arizona facility.

[18:18] >> No one is expecting a Gravity. You can

[18:20] go to any Lucid retailer at the at your

[18:23] local shopping mall and order one, and

[18:26] it'll be there tomorrow. It's currently

[18:28] sitting in a field in a in a in a bad

[18:30] neighborhood in your town.

[18:32] >> Yeah. About [laughter] a month ago they

[18:34] About a month ago they they suspended

[18:36] all guidance for the year cuz they they

[18:37] weren't sure how many cars they'll sell

[18:39] because they have elevated inventory.

[18:42] >> [laughter]

[18:44] >> So, I asked for some guidance.

[18:47] Make it boxy.

[18:47] >> to be pretty. You know, the moment I

[18:49] >> saw that picture of that Gravity, I was

[18:50] like, "Oh my god, they're going to lay

[18:52] off 30% of their workforce, including

[18:53] Winterhoff." So, I'm gone.

[18:57] >> Yeah, it's tough. They did have a new

[18:58] CEO earlier this year,

[19:00] so we know poly, and now they may make

[19:03] some turnaround changes, or they may

[19:05] fail to.

[19:06] >> Can I make a suggestion?

[19:08] Gas engined

[19:10] >> [laughter]

[19:11] >> boxy SUV.

[19:13] >> I'm a little frustrated

[19:14] >> by Lucid's failures here because

[19:18] by all accounts, they have the most

[19:20] advanced, impressive motor technology.

[19:22] Their motors are notably lighter than

[19:24] every other

[19:25] EV manufacturer. I think they have great

[19:28] packaging. I think they have great

[19:30] interior design and some other component

[19:32] that like I they truly have done a

[19:33] beautiful job building

[19:35] building cars.

[19:36] >> inside.

[19:36] >> Yeah.

[19:36] >> Uh

[19:37] >> Unfortunately, they've made poor product

[19:38] line decisions and have had a lot of

[19:39] reliability issues that make it tough to

[19:41] recommend.

[19:42] >> Here's a here's a theory I'm going to

[19:43] posit for you, Filippo. The Lucid

[19:45] Gravity is the Lincoln Town Car of our

[19:48] generation.

[19:49] >> Isn't the Lucid Air the Lincoln Town Car

[19:51] of our generation?

[19:52] >> No, the Lucid Air would be the MK

[19:53] >> Yes, I'm sorry, the Air. The Air is the

[19:56] Town Car. The Gravity is the MKT. You're

[19:58] right.

[19:58] >> I've never seen a young Air driver.

[20:01] >> Yeah, and also it just looks like that.

[20:03] It's American-built. It's like a big

[20:05] boat.

[20:05] >> way.

[20:06] I kind of want one. And it has 500 miles

[20:08] of range, which no other EV has still.

[20:10] >> The other day, someone asked me if they

[20:11] should get a Lucid Air. And I said,

[20:13] "Look, they're amazing. And the used

[20:15] ones are cheap. And they're incredible.

[20:17] But they're going to be it's going to

[20:19] probably cause some problems. You're

[20:20] going to have some issues."

[20:21] >> Yeah.

[20:22] >> Um okay, Toyota should make a

[20:24] convertible 4Runner. Next news story,

[20:26] please.

[20:28] All right. This is

[20:29] >> I keep adding to the stories, I

[20:30] apologize, but this is my very favorite

[20:33] story of the week.

[20:34] >> Oh boy, okay.

[20:35] >> Truly.

[20:36] All right.

[20:36] >> Jon wasn't here to cull his dumb stories

[20:38] this week.

[20:39] >> I know. It's the best. I have so much

[20:40] freedom.

[20:41] >> even know I can't even see the picture,

[20:42] but it looks like a manufacturing

[20:44] situation, which makes me nervous.

[20:46] >> You will love this story, too. All

[20:48] right, so we've talked in the past about

[20:49] how both Toyota and Nissan are shipping

[20:51] cars that are made in America to be sold

[20:54] now in Japan. This is

[20:55] the Tundra, the Highlander, the Murano,

[20:58] among others. Part of this is driven by

[21:00] the agreement that that the Japanese and

[21:02] the US government came to related to

[21:03] tariffs, opened the door for more

[21:05] imports from the more exports from the

[21:07] US to Japan.

[21:09] But,

[21:11] automakers that are doing this are

[21:12] running into an issue, which is that the

[21:14] quality standards that they build

[21:16] vehicles to for the US market are a

[21:18] little below the quality standards that

[21:20] the Japanese market is used to.

[21:22] >> It This this has a little more nuance to

[21:23] it though. It's like paint finishes have

[21:25] less are a little bit different. Like

[21:27] not because the quality is different

[21:29] because the workers are bad, it's

[21:30] because like the actual design and

[21:33] creation of the car has a different

[21:35] focus.

[21:36] >> programmed.

[21:37] >> The the notice on Muranos when they're

[21:39] sold in Japan say this vehicle is

[21:41] manufactured specifications intended for

[21:43] overseas markets and vehicle the SUV the

[21:46] Murano may have dust particles in the

[21:47] paint, traces of sealant residue, or

[21:50] misaligned or uneven panel and gaps.

[21:52] But, they don't affect the vehicle's

[21:53] functionality, which may be true.

[21:55] >> Well, we all accept that we've all come

[21:57] to expect that from Nissan. It's just

[21:59] that the Japanese haven't yet. But, they

[22:00] will.

[22:01] >> [laughter]

[22:02] >> Tundra or to to Toyota on the Tundra

[22:04] Highlander also say that they may notice

[22:06] thin paint, color variations, polishing

[22:07] marks, and dents.

[22:09] >> Have they Have they told the Japanese

[22:11] that their Tundra engines could explode?

[22:13] >> I think they've kept that one a secret.

[22:15] >> I'm going to tell you a story Filippo

[22:16] that's going to rock your world and I

[22:18] want to cover this in greater detail

[22:19] when we get on to uh when I get back.

[22:22] But, this is a real story. The Tundra

[22:24] the engines are exploding left and

[22:26] right. It's a real problem with the

[22:27] turbo V6, okay?

[22:28] >> Yeah.

[22:28] >> Exploding engines exploding engines, but

[22:30] they're recalling them.

[22:31] >> Yeah.

[22:32] >> And they're they're putting in new

[22:33] motors on some of but

[22:34] >> My understanding is those new motors

[22:36] also explode.

[22:38] >> Everything's exploding, but the hybrids

[22:40] aren't affected and I I finally

[22:41] discovered why the hybrids aren't

[22:42] affected. Are you aware of why?

[22:44] >> Um I'm going to you know, I can't

[22:47] explain.

[22:48] >> Same powertrain, so how could it not be

[22:49] affected?

[22:50] >> Atkinson cycle.

[22:51] >> The answer is hybrids aren't affected by

[22:53] the recall because the recall is

[22:54] government mandated and the when the gas

[22:58] motor blows, the cars can stop driving

[23:01] and become dangerous and a hazard.

[23:03] However, when the gas motor blows in the

[23:05] hybrid, and it does, with the same

[23:08] frequency as the gas-powered cars, the

[23:10] hybrid powertrain can is is sufficient

[23:13] to drive you to a safe place. This is

[23:15] what Toyota has convinced their

[23:16] regulator, it's the the National Highway

[23:18] Traffic Safety Administration.

[23:20] Uh it's it's enough to drive you to your

[23:22] to a safe place, and so the hybrid

[23:24] doesn't need a safety recall because

[23:25] technically it isn't a safety issue.

[23:28] Yeah.

[23:28] >> You're joking.

[23:29] >> I own one of these cars, and I'm going

[23:31] to tell you something. If my gas engine

[23:33] blows, the safety issue will be to

[23:36] Toyota and their employees.

[23:38] >> [laughter]

[23:38] >> From me. Doug is not threatening

[23:41] violence. I want to be very clear, HE IS

[23:42] NOT

[23:43] >> I'M NOT GOING TO GO TO PLANO. I'm not

[23:45] going to do anything like that.

[23:47] >> Uh but I will tell caution people not to

[23:49] buy one of these vehicles, which I am

[23:51] now.

[23:51] >> I I I thought that they had a lower

[23:53] incidence rate. Is that not true?

[23:55] >> Oh, yeah, yeah, very lower incidence.

[23:58] >> That's unfortunate.

[24:00] >> Yeah.

[24:01] >> Suburban hell.

[24:01] >> What I find unfortunate is a

[24:03] manufacturer not standing behind his

[24:04] product. My car is $85,000. The hybrid

[24:06] twin turbo V6s are the most expensive

[24:08] ones in their lineup. And these are

[24:10] customers that will never buy a Toyota

[24:12] again.

[24:12] >> [laughter]

[24:13] >> I get so much crap for not buying a

[24:15] Tahoe already. I don't have a V8, I'm

[24:16] driving around in a six-cylinder, and I

[24:18] sit here and I say, "The six-cylinder is

[24:20] so great." And it is, it's an amazing

[24:22] powertrain, right up until it blows and

[24:24] I have to use the hybrid engine to

[24:25] safely get my Get off the road.

[24:27] [laughter]

[24:29] >> Oh, what a discovery.

[24:31] >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's that's bad.

[24:34] >> That's rough.

[24:34] >> It looks that way, and the engine could

[24:36] blow up. That's a tough existence for

[24:38] you.

[24:39] >> I waved to another TRD Pro Sequoia owner

[24:41] yesterday.

[24:42] >> Oh, what was it a salute, or was it an

[24:44] actual just What did you pull the gun

[24:45] out of the gun safe in the middle of the

[24:46] day?

[24:46] >> Kenny. I waved, but unfortunately he was

[24:49] he

[24:52] He was busy doing Trump pro-Trump chance

[24:54] while he was driving and see me.

[24:56] >> [laughter]

[24:57] >> Let's make

[24:58] >> Make America great again.

[25:00] >> RIGHT THERE ON THE ROAD.

[25:02] ANYWAY, he was doing that then his

[25:04] engine blew. But fortunately, he had the

[25:06] ability with his hyper powertrain

[25:07] [laughter]

[25:08] to safely steer off the road.

[25:11] >> My goodness.

[25:12] >> Yeah, anyway, we're going to talk about

[25:14] this a lot more on many more podcasts.

[25:15] And and my greatest hope is that it

[25:17] happens to me in when I'm in San Diego.

[25:20] Uh in which case I will be relentless in

[25:22] my fury toward Toyota. Do you agree,

[25:24] Filippo?

[25:25] >> Imagine if it happens to you not in San

[25:27] Diego.

[25:28] >> I think it's more likely considering

[25:29] when the car is in San Diego, it doesn't

[25:31] move until it goes back to the East

[25:32] Coast.

[25:33] >> If that if that happens to me when I'm

[25:35] on the in the middle of the country, I

[25:37] the wrath that I will create for Toyota

[25:40] cannot even be explained

[25:42] with rational work.

[25:43] >> I'm excited for for Friday at 7:30 a.m.

[25:47] Pacific time, 30 minutes after this

[25:49] podcast goes live, for you to get the

[25:51] email from Toyota corporate saying

[25:52] >> I think that Toyota is probably

[25:54] embarrassed. Like I'm I'm going to reach

[25:55] out to their PR people for comment on

[25:57] this. Once Again, I want to cover this

[25:58] in greater detail than the 8 minutes

[26:00] devoted [laughter] to your warranty. I

[26:01] want to devote 30 minutes to it. But

[26:04] like the PR people know that this is

[26:06] indefensible. So I am curious what they

[26:07] would say.

[26:08] >> [laughter]

[26:09] >> Yeah.

[26:11] You're getting a recall notice tomorrow.

[26:15] >> Silly.

[26:15] >> Doug is getting a one-off recall.

[26:16] >> It'll be a handwritten one just for him.

[26:18] But yes.

[26:19] >> Well, fine, do that. But let's the the

[26:22] recalled powertrains, are they working

[26:23] any better?

[26:24] >> I'm not convinced.

[26:25] >> You know what I want? I want them to

[26:27] recall my my Sequoia hybrid and put in

[26:29] the 2UZ 4.7 L V8

[26:33] uh from the Tundra and GX470.

[26:35] >> God, that'd be such a slow vehicle.

[26:37] >> Fine.

[26:38] Slow. We're not trying to go fast here,

[26:41] Filippo. We're trying to be reliable.

[26:43] >> Good point. Um all right, let's move on

[26:45] to the pinnacle reliability, the

[26:46] Maserati

[26:47] >> Wait, wait, before we move on, Toyota

[26:48] should make a convertible 4Runner. All

[26:50] right next.

[26:51] >> Sorry, I

[26:51] >> [laughter]

[26:52] >> I jumped the gun there. Sorry.

[26:53] >> Two pieces of news on the Maserati

[26:54] front. I'm keeping this to under a

[26:55] minute. All of their lineup has been

[26:58] refreshed with a new corporate face.

[27:01] Uh the Gran Turismo has a little bit

[27:03] more power than it did before, like 40

[27:04] more horsepower than it did before.

[27:06] There's going to be a new Gran Turismo

[27:07] in '27. And and

[27:09] uh the Stellantis CEO said in a meeting

[27:12] with Italian lawmakers this week that

[27:14] they are in active conversation with two

[27:16] partners

[27:17] uh to work with Maserati.

[27:19] Take that where as you will. You could

[27:21] take that to mean even though Maserati's

[27:23] PR team has has denied this, that

[27:25] they're looking at acquisition. They

[27:26] could be looking at a platform sharing,

[27:28] etc. But this is Stellantis, which owns

[27:30] about half the brands in the world. So,

[27:32] I don't know what they'd be doing there.

[27:33] So, Maserati will have some news

[27:36] soon.

[27:37] >> Well,

[27:39] great. Uh

[27:41] Toyota should make a convertible

[27:42] 4Runner. Give us our next uh slide,

[27:44] please. What's this?

[27:45] >> Uh yes, the Koenigsegg Yesko. Now, Doug,

[27:48] you live life a quarter mile at a time,

[27:49] if I recall. You love your quarter mile

[27:51] thing. So, this I wanted to share some

[27:53] stats with you.

[27:53] >> Jesko, baby.

[27:54] >> That's That's right. So, the Yesko

[27:57] recently set a very interesting record.

[27:59] It was the first production car to break

[28:00] 186 mph in the quarter mile. That means

[28:04] And so, that means it did a It does the

[28:07] quarter mile in 8.3 seconds. Now, Doug,

[28:09] you've done a lot of quarter miles. Let

[28:11] that number sink in for a moment about

[28:13] how fast that is.

[28:14] >> No, I mean, I I've never been in a car

[28:15] that does a quarter that fast. I used to

[28:17] do a lot of quarter mile drag racing.

[28:18] It's hard to imagine.

[28:20] >> Right. Yeah.

[28:20] >> I mean, the the Plaid the Plaid Pride

[28:22] does that close to that. And and I've

[28:25] never done a full quarter, and it's it's

[28:26] probably insane.

[28:27] >> Right. So, I So, to be specific, it it

[28:29] surpassed 300 km/h. So, the actual speed

[28:32] it was clocked at was 189.76

[28:34] mph.

[28:34] >> That means 190

[28:37] mph in the quarter. In the quarter.

[28:40] >> Yeah, that's crazy.

[28:42] But my favorite part about this story,

[28:44] like that that's one thing and very

[28:45] admirable. But there's footage of this

[28:47] that they recorded. And, you know, Doug,

[28:49] you you've been there on the line

[28:50] setting the court, you know, you're

[28:51] focused, you're holding the steering

[28:53] wheel nice and tight, you know, pointing

[28:54] it straight.

[28:55] This guy sets the quarter mile the

[28:57] driver he set the quarter mile holding a

[28:59] phone. He did it one-handed recording

[29:02] with a phone. Which is mind-blowing to

[29:05] me. He was doing 190 miles an hour

[29:07] one-handed.

[29:07] >> official Koenigsegg this quarter mile

[29:10] time?

[29:11] >> This is this this is what they have

[29:12] published. Quarter mile 8.54 seconds and

[29:14] it was verified.

[29:16] >> It's also incredibly impressive given

[29:18] that it's rear-wheel drive. It's not

[29:20] electric. It's not hybrid either.

[29:23] That's wild.

[29:24] >> Yeah, it's an insane figure.

[29:26] >> Is that true? I don't know anything

[29:27] about this car.

[29:29] >> Yeah, but it is all everything I said

[29:31] there is accurate as most of the things

[29:33] that I said in this podcast generally

[29:34] tend [laughter] to be.

[29:35] I will say that their 0 to 60 time,

[29:38] which is 2.35 seconds according to this

[29:40] book,

[29:41] is not the fastest 0 to 60, but it must

[29:43] just like the first car 60 miles per

[29:45] hour must be the slowest in that quarter

[29:46] mile.

[29:47] >> There's a launch problem because it's

[29:48] not four-wheel drive and it's not

[29:50] >> Rear-wheel drive and not hybrid.

[29:51] >> Yeah. But then it then it seems to catch

[29:53] up okay. What does a ZR1 X do in the

[29:55] quarter?

[29:56] >> Nine something.

[29:58] >> Nines, that's so slow. No, 8.675 at 160.

[30:02] What does this thing do again, Kenan?

[30:04] >> Uh so, they were claimed that they

[30:06] claimed that it took 8.54 is what they

[30:08] were clocked at for the quarter.

[30:09] >> interesting because the trap speed tells

[30:11] you why the Koenigsegg is so much

[30:12] faster. The ZR1 X hits 160 at 8.675, but

[30:16] the Koenigsegg was going 190, which

[30:19] tells you just how quickly it is

[30:20] accelerating still as it is

[30:22] accelerating. It is getting so so so

[30:24] much faster. So, it's got this

[30:26] incredible high-speed thing that just

[30:28] happens incredibly fast. Uh that's

[30:31] pretty wild.

[30:32] >> Yeah, that was yeah.

[30:33] >> the ZR1 X

[30:34] the most impressive supercar, like it's

[30:37] not that expensive for the performance

[30:39] it puts out. It's faster

[30:41] Jason Cammisa, a friend of a friend of

[30:43] Hagerty,

[30:44] uh did a did a drag race with the new

[30:48] uh Camarillo, cool other cars. The 01 X

[30:50] blows by all of those cars in the

[30:53] quarter mile. And they're 60 and a half

[30:54] a ton power for the same price, less?

[30:57] >> Wouldn't you consider one if there was a

[30:59] Stradale version?

[31:01] >> A 01 X Stradale? That'd be weird.

[31:03] >> You wouldn't consider one, Fork Cannon?

[31:05] >> I'll consider anything, but I'm not

[31:07] going to buy it, so that's how that

[31:09] goes.

[31:09] >> really want an E-Ray {slash} Grand Sport

[31:12] X.

[31:13] >> Would you get an E-Ray Stradale?

[31:15] >> I I does not change my I would actually,

[31:17] yeah. I would get an E-Ray Stradale.

[31:19] >> Yeah. There we go.

[31:20] There we go.

[31:21] >> I think that they would call it E-Ray

[31:26] Oh my goodness. What is the Chevrolet

[31:28] off-road? 480 84.

[31:30] >> That's GM's these. That's GM's Z71

[31:32] Trailboss.

[31:33] >> E-Ray High Country.

[31:34] >> E-Ray Trailboss.

[31:35] >> An E-Ray Trailboss I would 100%

[31:37] consider.

[31:38] >> Okay. Okay. We're having some This is a

[31:41] real laugh.

[31:41] >> if it was also a convertible 4Runner, I

[31:43] would do that, too.

[31:44] >> Yeah, Toyota should make a convertible

[31:45] 4Runner. On to our next news story.

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[32:37] >> More Koenigsegg news.

[32:39] So, So, recently um at Goodwood,

[32:42] Koenigsegg set another record. Not a 0

[32:43] to 60, but they did it with a LEGO car.

[32:46] So, they they had a a version of the

[32:48] Sedoran Spear built completely out of

[32:51] LEGOs, and it set a new record going up

[32:53] Goodwood Hill for a LEGO vehicle, which

[32:55] is 69 mph. Nice.

[32:57] >> Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

[32:59] What? They drove a LEGO car? What is a

[33:01] Sedoran Spear? What the hell is that?

[33:04] >> That's another Koenigsegg creation. But,

[33:07] the the whole point with this is

[33:08] Koenigsegg paired paired up with LEGO

[33:09] because they're releasing another LEGO

[33:11] kit like in their supercar thing. And to

[33:13] promote that, they wanted to do

[33:14] something special. So, they built a

[33:16] life-size model of this thing completely

[33:18] out of LEGO. 327,000

[33:21] pieces, and it weighs 4,000

[33:23] >> out of LEGO? How does it have an engine?

[33:24] The engine's not out of LEGO.

[33:26] >> The engine Okay, not completely out of

[33:27] LEGO, but mostly out of LEGO. But, it

[33:30] nonetheless like it

[33:32] it did it it was obviously a publicity

[33:34] publicity stunt, but

[33:36] I think it's really cool when they do

[33:38] stuff like this. And this kind of gets

[33:39] the kid in me excited.

[33:40] >> LEGO car?

[33:41] >> Yeah. They only need to do is put it in

[33:42] an engine. At Goodwood.

[33:44] >> What do you mean all you need to do?

[33:45] It's made out of little blocks that that

[33:48] stick together really well. They're

[33:50] well-engineered. It's all friction.

[33:52] [laughter]

[33:54] They must be They're I'm looking at the

[33:55] picture of the car.

[33:56] >> What do you think bolting something down

[33:57] is? You're just creating a lot of

[33:58] friction.

[33:59] >> Here's my problem with this.

[34:01] >> In a very different way.

[34:02] >> Yeah, but you're insane.

[34:05] >> I'm not fundamentally wrong.

[34:06] >> No, you are fundamentally wrong. Here's

[34:08] the problem I have. I'm looking at a

[34:09] picture of the car. There's brakes,

[34:10] there's wheels, there's tires. I think

[34:13] they just took a Koenigsegg like base

[34:15] plate, to use LEGO terminology, and just

[34:18] kind of created the body out of LEGOs.

[34:20] Is the interior LEGO? Is the interior

[34:22] LEGO?

[34:23] >> I think it is. My understanding is that

[34:24] it's LEGO. Also, there are a bunch of

[34:26] other electric LEGOs like other

[34:28] mechanical features. Ghost mode works.

[34:30] So, there are other electric modes.

[34:31] >> What?

[34:32] Wait I

[34:33] got to picture the interior. Oh my God,

[34:34] it's mostly Lego.

[34:36] >> [laughter]

[34:36] >> Can I I I would like to say my favorite

[34:39] fact about this, which is it is heavier

[34:42] than the actual car. Yeah, it weighs

[34:44] over

[34:45] 4,000 lbs. It's very heavy.

[34:48] What did it weigh, Kenan? 4,000 lbs.

[34:50] That's what they claimed it weighed,

[34:51] which is a lot. Almost exactly as much

[34:54] as a slate.

[34:56] >> [laughter]

[34:57] >> And and it's built the same way.

[34:59] Um modularly.

[35:01] >> [laughter]

[35:02] >> Yeah. You know, it's interesting though

[35:04] because one other interesting thing that

[35:05] I was thinking of this week is that

[35:06] Toyota should make a convertible uh

[35:08] 4Runner.

[35:09] Yeah. Next Do you have any more news

[35:11] stories?

[35:12] We do one more. Uh yes, we have one

[35:13] more. So this is this is a Morgan. So

[35:16] Pininfarina, a design house that we all

[35:18] love, uh largely has been making

[35:21] industrial products. Like they make, you

[35:23] know, Coke dispensers, like this sort of

[35:24] thing. Well, recently they paired up

[35:26] with Morgan to release this. They're

[35:28] calling it the Midsummer Coupe. Uh it's

[35:30] going to be powered by the B58,

[35:32] uh the great BMW six-cylinder, uh and

[35:34] it's going to use the eight-speed ZF

[35:35] transmission. But I think it looks

[35:37] absolutely spectacular. And of course,

[35:39] Morgan, you know, a brand not known for

[35:43] advancing their design much. They're

[35:45] kind of keeping their 1930s look. I

[35:47] think this actually looks wonderful and

[35:50] I think it's kind of proof that they can

[35:51] do it. It's like a beautiful

[35:51] modernization of a Morgan and it kind of

[35:54] looks like a Bugatti Atlante. There is a

[35:57] little bit of Atlantique, yeah.

[35:59] This is something that I think you

[36:01] should consider, Filippo. Well,

[36:03] unfortunately Filippo won't be able to

[36:04] consider it because they're only

[36:05] building nine of them. So it's

[36:07] it might [laughter] be a bit bit tough.

[36:08] He can conceptualize it. We'll get him a

[36:10] model, maybe. Can I have the Lego

[36:11] version?

[36:12] >> [laughter]

[36:12] >> Well, we'll see. Maybe that'll weigh

[36:14] 4,000 lbs as well. Um but yeah, but not

[36:17] the Lego version.

[36:19] No, I said version. I think he said it

[36:21] with a W cuz he's trying to be like a

[36:22] Porsche guy. He's trying to be like

[36:23] German.

[36:24] >> [laughter]

[36:24] >> He's sitting in that office and it's

[36:25] rubbing off on him.

[36:27] >> But they don't have W's in German, it's

[36:29] all V's.

[36:30] >> No, it's the the V and W are switched.

[36:32] Filippo

[36:33] >> Oh, that's right. That's one of those.

[36:35] >> Filippo, are you becoming a Porsche

[36:37] person by just sitting in the room?

[36:40] >> Well, you know, he didn't he didn't say

[36:41] Vinterhof. That's what I was expecting

[36:43] him to say. He did it. He held back

[36:45] though. I could tell he was thinking it.

[36:47] Uh but nonetheless, I think this is

[36:48] really cool. Of course, we we'll be very

[36:50] unlikely to ever see one, but it is

[36:52] prove I I really would love to see

[36:54] Pininfarina go back and do more cars. I

[36:56] know we had talked about like with the

[36:57] Luce, it's like, oh, Pininfarina been

[36:59] designing it and you specifically Doug

[37:01] said that like they're not who they used

[37:03] to be. I don't know. I think if they

[37:04] still can exercise taste like this, it

[37:06] would be I'd like to see

[37:07] >> Okay, look, I'm going to clarify that

[37:08] comment cuz I I I was being very

[37:10] diplomatic cuz I think it was in a

[37:11] Camissa video and I I we got our pod, we

[37:14] can be a little bit more outgoing.

[37:16] Pininfarina was purchased by the

[37:20] Indians Mahindra.

[37:22] And I think that Ferrari

[37:25] decided that they did not want their

[37:27] vehicles This is my theory

[37:30] slash I've heard other I've heard from

[37:32] people that it's true. Ferrari did not

[37:35] want their vehicles designed by I mean,

[37:38] it Pininfarina is Italian. When it is no

[37:39] longer Italian,

[37:41] Ferrari was thinking let's just bring

[37:43] design in house cuz we are Italian and I

[37:45] think that's what happened. Not that

[37:46] it's lost its luster, not that it's not

[37:48] the same, whatever. I think it was more

[37:50] that there was a new owner and Ferrari

[37:52] didn't see that as a credible situation

[37:54] for them. Now, this is a beautiful car.

[37:56] Do you know there's a convertible,

[37:57] Kanan?

[37:58] >> Yes, yes, I do know there's a

[37:59] convertible and I think they made 50 of

[38:01] those. So, it would be a deal more

[38:02] >> convertibles. Why are they only doing

[38:03] nine coupes?

[38:04] >> I don't I don't know. Maybe that's all

[38:06] the tooling can handle. They couldn't

[38:07] get enough trees to build the rest of

[38:08] the car. I don't know.

[38:09] >> You know what the mistake You know

[38:11] what's the mistake? The convertible is

[38:12] called the Midsummer. The coupe should

[38:13] have been called the Midwinter.

[38:15] >> Ooh, the Midvinter as Filippo would say.

[38:17] >> As Filippo, yeah. Well, Filippo wouldn't

[38:19] even pay pay to it because it's not a

[38:21] Porsche and he's sitting in this room.

[38:22] >> it has that's true. It has German heart

[38:24] but not a Porsche one. That's true.

[38:26] >> Filippo's over here. I met Andreas

[38:27] Preuninger once.

[38:29] That's what he's telling us That's he

[38:30] posts on it.

[38:31] >> AP is what we call him.

[38:32] >> AP, I call him AP.

[38:33] >> Yeah, me and I I know him.

[38:36] >> [laughter]

[38:36] >> All right, we have one last news story

[38:38] as well.

[38:38] >> How do we have one more? My god.

[38:40] >> Shawn added from a literal train. He's

[38:43] on a train.

[38:44] >> What did he say?

[38:44] >> It's very strange.

[38:45] >> There is currently a trend in China. So,

[38:48] there's a bunch of cars that have driver

[38:49] monitoring systems.

[38:51] >> Yeah, that are making sure that there's

[38:52] somebody actually paying attention

[38:53] uh

[38:54] in order to do that.

[38:55] >> They have figured out that if you attach

[38:57] a bobblehead of a face right in front of

[38:59] the camera, this is especially true in

[39:01] Teslas, but not only Teslas.

[39:03] Uh

[39:03] you can trick the camera into thinking

[39:06] that you are paying attention and you

[39:08] are driving and you don't actually need

[39:10] to be driving.

[39:11] Or maybe even in the driver's seat for

[39:13] it to operate.

[39:14] And that's all we're going to say about

[39:15] that.

[39:17] Period.

[39:19] >> I

[39:19] >> Huh.

[39:19] >> But then you also have to drive around

[39:20] with a bobblehead strapped to the roof

[39:22] of your car. I mean, it's a ridiculous

[39:24] looking thing.

[39:24] >> it I think it's it just like stay It

[39:26] looks like the perspective makes it look

[39:28] like you're in the seat even if you're

[39:29] not. It

[39:30] >> For driverless for full self-driving.

[39:32] >> Uh makes you think that you're awake and

[39:34] in the seat.

[39:35] It's questionable. Don't do that,

[39:37] people. Just don't do that.

[39:39] >> Uh okay, that's great, Filippo. I really

[39:41] appreciate that that lovely good

[39:43] reporting information. Time now for the

[39:45] talk cars segment and in this segment,

[39:47] the thing that we do is we talk about

[39:49] cars. I have nothing to say about cars

[39:50] except that Toyota should make a

[39:52] convertible 4Runner. Uh but Filippo has

[39:54] just returned. He was gone for I think a

[39:56] month.

[39:58] >> I was gone for 2 weeks, but

[39:59] >> Yeah, but Filippo, it was a month. If

[40:01] you go back and

[40:03] If you go back and look at the podcast,

[40:04] it's been a month where you haven't been

[40:06] here.

[40:06] >> Been three full podcasts and I have

[40:07] missed you very much.

[40:09] >> Oh, that's cool.

[40:10] >> We really missed you.

[40:11] >> of comments on my my posts that

[40:13] apparently I ignored text messages.

[40:15] Which

[40:17] >> You absolutely do.

[40:17] >> think

[40:18] >> true.

[40:18] >> You did not reply to a number of text

[40:20] messages I sent you while you were on

[40:21] your trip.

[40:21] >> I if if if you if you saw if you text me

[40:23] directly, I'm in with you, Cannon.

[40:25] >> Nick didn't Listen, I I know you don't

[40:27] watch the pod, but but Nick called you

[40:28] out for that, and and I think it's

[40:30] because he doesn't understand time

[40:31] zones. You got to Nick has never

[40:32] traveled before. You got to remember

[40:34] that. He's never been anywhere.

[40:35] >> That explains it.

[40:36] >> Yeah, and so he didn't understand, I

[40:38] think I'm being sort of serious. He

[40:40] didn't understand, I think, that like

[40:41] there's a time zone issue.

[40:42] >> He's like, "I don't know why people

[40:43] won't reply to me. I I just

[40:45] >> I sent a message 7:00 p.m. He's like,

[40:47] "What's going on?"

[40:48] >> Here's Here's what happened. Our we we

[40:51] have a text thread. I don't think this

[40:52] is a secret that is quite active. But

[40:54] it's quite active late in the evening,

[40:56] Pacific time, which is the middle of the

[40:58] night. And honestly, if you miss it,

[41:01] you're you're done.

[41:03] >> [laughter]

[41:04] >> And like I I love you all, but I also

[41:06] enjoy sleep. I enjoy spending time with

[41:08] my family. I enjoy not being on my phone

[41:10] on vacation.

[41:11] Uh I spend a lot of time on my phone. Uh

[41:15] on Slack and in emails and in text

[41:16] messages, and it's nice to disconnect.

[41:18] But it's great to be back and talking to

[41:20] you guys.

[41:20] >> So, now that you're reconnected, so what

[41:21] did you rent? You rented some Peugeot

[41:23] that didn't look all that great.

[41:24] >> rented a Peugeot 208, uh three-cylinder,

[41:26] 1-liter turbocharged.

[41:28] Uh

[41:29] small steering wheel, really small

[41:30] steering wheel. Also, the lightest

[41:32] steering. I I've rented a 208 before.

[41:34] It's a very common rental car in the

[41:36] like subcompact class.

[41:38] Uh I had a 1.4 four-cylinder last time.

[41:40] >> ask you a question, Lipo.

[41:41] >> It The steering is so I want to finish

[41:42] this. The steering is so light when I

[41:44] got home and drove our Mercedes,

[41:46] I legitimately thought for the first 20

[41:48] minutes that like my power steering was

[41:51] broken, cuz it was so heavy, and the

[41:53] steering wheel of my Mercedes is so big.

[41:56] >> heavy steering, I will say.

[41:57] >> The The Peugeot just has such light

[41:59] steering that it's it was

[42:01] a surprise.

[42:02] >> Do you Why didn't you rent something

[42:04] cool, like a Chevy Captiva?

[42:06] >> Uh thankfully, I was not given a Chevy

[42:08] Captiva. I've previously been given an

[42:10] Opel Grand Tour, which is a larger Chevy

[42:12] Captiva, literally, and I demanded that

[42:16] they switch it up.

[42:18] >> Mhm.

[42:19] >> Uh we were on a lot of very tight roads,

[42:21] and so a small car is all that they can

[42:22] do.

[42:23] Uh in in Abruzzo, which is like an area

[42:25] east of Rome by a couple hours in the

[42:27] mountains, some of the best roads I've

[42:29] ever been on, some of the tightest roads

[42:30] I've ever been on. The 208 felt large.

[42:33] Uh I was thinking about this a lot. If I

[42:34] had a Miata, which I could have rented

[42:36] from a different company for four or

[42:37] five x the price,

[42:39] the Miata would have been almost too

[42:41] big.

[42:42] >> You know what I You know what Filippo

[42:43] >> Filippo was too powerful.

[42:44] >> I find a little weird? You're rich, like

[42:46] very rich.

[42:47] >> No, I'm not, though.

[42:48] >> You could have rented a Miata.

[42:51] >> I It would have been so much more money.

[42:53] I can't do that.

[42:54] >> How much more are we talking?

[42:55] >> for 2 weeks for $507.

[42:57] Uh a Miata would have been 2,200.

[43:01] That's not worth it.

[43:02] That's not worth it.

[43:03] >> Yeah, 2,200 bucks for 2 weeks, like a

[43:06] hundred and some a day.

[43:08] >> Well, okay.

[43:08] >> when when my comparison point is $500,

[43:11] I'm not spending an extra $1,700 for a

[43:13] Miata, you know?

[43:14] >> Yeah, no, I mean, I You're That's That's

[43:16] That's who you are as a at your core.

[43:18] >> I wouldn't I'm not sure I would have

[43:19] spent an extra $700 for a Miata. Extra

[43:21] seven yes.

[43:23] Extra 70, sure.

[43:24] >> I On the on the saving money versus fun

[43:27] scale, you're always going to err on the

[43:28] side of saving money.

[43:30] >> Yeah, but I had a phenomenal vacation at

[43:31] the last place.

[43:32] >> Yeah, was it great?

[43:33] >> It was so nice. I really disconnected

[43:35] from you all. Thank you.

[43:36] >> What did you I'm glad that you did. You

[43:38] needed to.

[43:39] >> I did. Did I eat anything cool?

[43:41] >> Yeah, like nachos.

[43:43] >> No, no nachos. A lot [clears throat] of

[43:45] food.

[43:45] >> Italy, the land of nachos.

[43:47] >> Uh land of nachos. Uh pizza's kind of a

[43:49] nacho if you like don't think about it

[43:51] too much.

[43:52] You do? [laughter]

[43:54] Cheese.

[43:55] >> Bread.

[43:55] >> Cheese.

[43:56] >> Bread.

[43:56] >> Little bit.

[43:56] >> It's just sort of cooked in a slightly

[43:58] different way than nachos.

[43:59] >> Different ingredients.

[44:00] >> Not that

[44:01] >> Different order.

[44:02] >> Filippo,

[44:03] you ran into the Mille Miglia.

[44:05] >> I did. I was driving around I was with

[44:07] my with uh some some family we're we're

[44:09] coming back from something and we ran

[44:11] across a bunch of children on the side

[44:12] of the road.

[44:13] Like we didn't run into them. We saw a

[44:15] lot of children at like each

[44:16] intersection on the side of the road.

[44:17] >> Yep.

[44:17] >> And I wondered aloud, what do we think

[44:19] is happening? And my wife very kindly

[44:21] looks it up and the Mille Miglia is

[44:22] about to pass through like 10 minutes

[44:24] later. And so I rushed my family back to

[44:26] where we were staying. They didn't want

[44:28] to be a part of this.

[44:29] And then my wife and I went went back

[44:30] out and hung out at a like lakeside

[44:34] little little bar cafe to watch a lot of

[44:38] cool cars go by.

[44:39] >> Can I Can I ask you a question? You must

[44:41] have been very flummoxed by all the

[44:42] cars.

[44:43] >> Oh, I don't know anything about any of

[44:45] them.

[44:45] >> [laughter]

[44:46] >> But except for the Lexus LFA.

[44:48] >> The Lexus LFA I knew about.

[44:51] The some of the support vehicles cuz a

[44:52] lot of the the people running it have

[44:54] support vehicles.

[44:55] We were outside this like little cafe

[44:57] and the the owners son son and daughter

[45:00] very clearly were out there on the

[45:01] street. And I was like hanging out with

[45:03] my wife between cars going by cuz

[45:05] they're spread out by that point, right?

[45:06] Like they start off all together but

[45:08] then they some drive faster than others,

[45:10] some break down, some stop for a

[45:13] cigarette and an espresso, you know,

[45:15] things happen.

[45:15] >> That one Alpha hit that other Alpha, you

[45:17] saw that Kenny?

[45:18] >> Yeah.

[45:18] Yeah.

[45:20] And the kids were getting so excited

[45:23] about specific cars. And so I was like

[45:24] looking to them to like what what is

[45:26] coming? Is it going to be cool? And then

[45:28] I realized that the only cars that they

[45:30] cared about were anything new and

[45:32] loosely exotic. It's like any new 911

[45:36] really excited. Well, they live in an

[45:38] old Bugatti in Italy.

[45:39] Right. We It made me realize how spoiled

[45:42] we are. We see

[45:44] a top tier supercars, hypercars, sports

[45:48] cars, the rarest, the coolest variants

[45:50] every week in San Diego. We we live out

[45:53] out in Southern California, you see them

[45:54] when you're part of the car community in

[45:55] Southern California, you really see

[45:57] them. But these kids don't see a base

[45:58] 911 ever. It's it's rural Italy.

[46:02] It's Tuscany, like occasionally a

[46:04] tourist drives through in a Ferrari

[46:05] California with German plates.

[46:07] >> Yeah.

[46:07] >> That's it. That's the best you can hope

[46:09] for.

[46:09] >> Dude, you were special. You were

[46:11] special. I would argue that you were

[46:12] especially are spoiled sitting in that

[46:14] Porsche room with your You probably have

[46:16] a man bag.

[46:17] >> [laughter]

[46:18] >> There was a

[46:19] 991 GT3RS and a 964 Turbo like here.

[46:22] >> Damn.

[46:23] >> So, yeah.

[46:25] Uh we're a little spoiled. Uh but it was

[46:27] It was a refreshing reminder of what

[46:29] they'll get excited and what like still

[46:31] excites kids, which is

[46:32] Turns out that new sports cars still do.

[46:34] And some of the old stuff, like people

[46:36] were All the drivers were so sweet and

[46:38] were like waving and honking as they

[46:40] went by people and it was really fun.

[46:41] >> to them the kids in Italian?

[46:43] >> Of course.

[46:44] >> Did you say, "Hi, my name is Filippo. I

[46:46] would like to sit at this cafe."?

[46:48] >> Uh no, cuz it turns out when you go to a

[46:50] cafe to order things, you just kind of

[46:51] go up there and have a conversation and

[46:53] you order. You don't need to say, "My

[46:54] name is Filippo. I want to order food

[46:55] from your cafe." You just go and you

[46:57] chit-chat and you order food from the

[46:58] cafe.

[46:59] >> Uh I'm glad that you had at least one

[47:01] automotive experience, uh Filippo. And

[47:03] it appears you're having another within

[47:04] this in this in this Porsche world uh

[47:06] that you're in.

[47:07] >> It was so good. I love Italy. Everybody

[47:08] should go to Italy.

[47:10] Uh and I now have a few additional

[47:11] regions that I had not been to since I

[47:13] was a kid uh to recommend.

[47:15] >> Italy is the greatest country.

[47:17] >> It is the greatest country.

[47:19] >> Yeah.

[47:21] Uh-huh.

[47:22] Just say

[47:22] >> Yep.

[47:23] Yep. Do when do Where would you put

[47:25] Greenland on your list?

[47:29] >> Um

[47:31] mid to lowish.

[47:35] >> That was a trick question. It's not a

[47:37] country. Uh okay.

[47:38] >> That's right. It's a territory of

[47:39] Denmark.

[47:40] >> Uh

[47:41] in fact, they just use regular Denmark

[47:43] license plates, but and this is the key,

[47:45] they start with GR.

[47:47] >> Oh, I thought it was a country.

[47:49] >> Greenland.

[47:50] >> [laughter]

[47:54] >> We got it.

[47:56] >> [laughter]

[47:58] >> I'll tell you some things. That's we got

[48:00] to move on from that. Yes, so couple of

[48:02] things. So

[48:04] one is that so I have a car live right

[48:06] now. I'm very excited. The first Canon R

[48:08] car officially is live since I launched

[48:11] which I'm very excited about.

[48:12] >> gone and I'm so excited to see you.

[48:14] >> Thanks Filippo. I really appreciate

[48:15] that. It's a Lotus Amira. You know

[48:16] what's going to happen Filippo?

[48:18] >> Yeah, Canon and I are personally friends

[48:20] and do talk.

[48:20] >> Yeah, we we live like a block apart from

[48:22] one [laughter] another. We do see each

[48:24] other.

[48:25] >> He He stunned me on the podcast when he

[48:27] told everybody.

[48:28] >> [laughter]

[48:29] >> That's cuz you you live on the other

[48:31] coast. It's It's hard to communicate.

[48:32] >> And then later in the podcast he found

[48:34] me a Toyota Supra. Anyway,

[48:36] speaking of amazing speaking of Toyota

[48:38] sports cars the Amira.

[48:40] >> Yeah, so the

[48:41] >> [laughter]

[48:42] >> Well, no.

[48:43] >> Not this one.

[48:43] >> No, because this one is not this one has

[48:45] the four-cylinder. There only been one

[48:47] four-cylinder offering cars at Benz

[48:49] before, but this has the AMG M139

[48:52] turbocharged four-cylinder which I think

[48:54] is I was just reflecting upon this the

[48:56] other day when I was looking at the

[48:57] stats.

[48:58] I never thought that I would see the day

[48:59] when a four-cylinder from a manufacturer

[49:02] would make more power than my E39 M5's 5

[49:04] L V8. But here we are and like I

[49:07] personally love the Amira. I think it's

[49:09] one of like

[49:10] Yeah, 400 horsepower.

[49:12] >> you got like 395 394.

[49:14] >> 394 that's right. That's right. It's got

[49:15] me by a little bit. Half the cylinder

[49:17] count more power unbelievable.

[49:20] But nonetheless like it's this one I

[49:22] think half the yellow is the right color

[49:24] for this car. It looks so good. This is

[49:26] a really nice example 4,000 mi and it's

[49:28] got all the the great stuff with it. But

[49:30] it's so cool. I worked with Frank

[49:32] Harrington from the photographer's

[49:33] garage on this one who took amazing

[49:35] pictures of this car

[49:36] as he always does and yes, this is the

[49:38] very first one. I'm really excited to be

[49:39] offered with no reserve. So go check it

[49:41] out when you can. But

[49:42] >> Wait, sorry. Can I say something about

[49:43] this? We talked about the the the We we

[49:46] know that the six-cylinder manual's

[49:47] going away and then they're replacing

[49:49] the six-cylinder and the four-cylinder

[49:50] with their French-Chinese

[49:54] built

[49:54] >> Yep. Yep.

[49:55] >> So we thought that that that that end,

[49:57] there was a brief period where you can

[49:59] get an AMG four-cylinder in the mirror.

[50:02] >> Correct. Yeah, and the old when I talked

[50:04] to the owner of this car, the first

[50:05] words out of his mouth were it's still

[50:07] it's the AMG four-cylinder. He would

[50:09] like wanted to make sure I knew that,

[50:10] which I I fully fully did. Uh but

[50:13] nonetheless, really really love Yeah,

[50:15] great powertrain in a lot of really cool

[50:17] cars and just I just can't believe that

[50:18] kind of power can be made with

[50:19] four-cylinder car, but it can. Uh and

[50:22] the mirror is, you know, I think one of

[50:23] the coolest cars it's in. But okay, now

[50:25] there is something else I wanted to

[50:26] mention in addition to this. It was a

[50:27] friend of mine who has a Ferrari 575

[50:29] sent this to me, but there is a guy

[50:31] There's a YouTube video that just came

[50:32] out recently of a guy who did a full US

[50:35] tour, went to all 48 contiguous states

[50:38] in a Ferrari 575. He added It was I

[50:41] think it's 14,000

[50:43] miles to his car doing this drive, which

[50:45] is unbelievable. These Ferraris right

[50:47] now have become super valuable cars,

[50:49] like they're just on fire and not in the

[50:51] normal way. Uh their values are just

[50:53] skyrocketing. It's so cool to see when

[50:54] go out and actually, you know, use this

[50:56] car and like go drive it around. He did

[50:58] a video talking about like his

[51:00] experiences. I mean, he did I don't

[51:01] think he saw a bison like you did with

[51:03] your Aston Martin, Doug. But

[51:04] nonetheless, this guy like took it to He

[51:05] took it like to small towns, like drove

[51:08] it around, had great conversations, and

[51:09] it was just like a reminder to me that

[51:11] even if your car is something really

[51:12] special, like go out and use it and have

[51:14] experiences and share it with people.

[51:16] That's when you derive the most pleasure

[51:17] out of it,

[51:18] >> [laughter]

[51:18] >> which is especially within the Ferrari

[51:19] community. It's just like a lot of

[51:20] Ferraris, you know, uh you covered up

[51:22] and and protected and stuff. But I mean,

[51:24] this guy would just went out and did it.

[51:26] Uh which I think is so so so cool.

[51:28] >> Um so if If you had a Ferrari 575M

[51:31] Maranello,

[51:33] what state would you most want to be

[51:35] driving it in?

[51:37] >> Mm. That's tough to say. Um well, I

[51:40] mostly would just want to drive it here

[51:41] at home and use it as often as I

[51:42] possibly could.

[51:43] >> Yeah, but this guy did a road trip.

[51:46] >> Yeah, he did. I think

[51:48] I mean Colorado has a lot of lovely

[51:50] roads that are suited to it. Wide open

[51:52] wide open but then you have nice

[51:53] beautiful mountain twisty roads.

[51:55] There's a a lot of great places to use

[51:57] it. I mean just spectacular looking out

[51:58] that wind looking out that windshield

[51:59] seeing that beautiful long hood and then

[52:01] mountains in the like I mean that would

[52:03] just be amazing. Then some roads I think

[52:05] in Arizona some really straight ones to

[52:07] like you know exercise the V12 a little

[52:09] bit. But to that point Oh no, he did see

[52:11] a bison. Look at that. But but

[52:13] [laughter]

[52:14] But to that point like he like I was cuz

[52:16] I was curious about reliability right?

[52:18] You're going to drive it that far.

[52:19] That's a lot of That's I mean that's a

[52:21] major that it needs after before and

[52:23] after.

[52:23] >> Yeah, I mean he must have serviced it

[52:24] during this trip.

[52:25] >> A little bit so he needed to he blew

[52:28] through a set of tires [laughter]

[52:29] completely wore them out. Not a surprise

[52:31] Pirellis. And then he had a clogged

[52:34] AC line and then it was acting up on

[52:36] him. But pretty minor stuff like the car

[52:38] just like otherwise did it which is

[52:39] >> also he must have also serviced he must

[52:41] have done I mean 40,000 miles he must

[52:43] have done an oil change you know and

[52:44] stuff like that.

[52:45] >> Uh 14,000 but yeah he beforehand like I

[52:47] would imagine and probably during it I

[52:49] think he did do maybe an oil change. But

[52:51] nonetheless like the guy just went out

[52:52] and used the car and I just think that

[52:54] is like so so cool. And yes I know like

[52:56] obviously I'm sure he picked up a lot of

[52:58] rock chips and needs some cosmetic

[52:59] reconditioning now but who cares? Like I

[53:01] mean you're not going to you're not

[53:02] going to go to your grave having you

[53:04] know he's going to have cool stories to

[53:05] tell tell and he like lived and so I

[53:08] think it's just a cool reminder and I

[53:09] thought it was a really really cool

[53:11] video.

[53:11] >> Filippo for the next time you debate

[53:12] whether you want to get a Miata or a

[53:14] Peugeot 208 with a three-cylinder keep

[53:16] in mind that you too could live.

[53:18] Although I understand you don't wish to.

[53:21] Okay, we got to move on from the top car

[53:23] segment move on to the incredibly

[53:24] important market report. There is a lot

[53:26] of reporting that we have to do about

[53:27] the market. The market report is brought

[53:29] to you by the convertible Toyota 4Runner

[53:31] which will be coming out my guess is

[53:33] probably sometime in the next year in

[53:35] order for Toyota to

[53:38] to distract us from the fact that

[53:39] they're not recalling hybrid power

[53:41] trains

[53:42] uh due to a small technicality.

[53:44] >> It It existed. Don't forget.

[53:47] >> Yeah, so where is it again? Jesus.

[53:50] >> Does Kenneth know that it existed?

[53:51] Kenneth, do you know where it existed?

[53:53] >> No, I wasn't aware

[53:54] >> original 4Runner had a removable top.

[53:56] The original

[53:57] >> really like a

[53:58] Tacoma with a removable top on the back

[54:00] and seats, but yeah.

[54:01] >> Exactly what it was.

[54:02] >> I think I guess.

[54:03] >> Uh Mark and we got to start with the

[54:04] United 2. This is one of the greatest

[54:06] things ever happened. Kenneth, pull up

[54:07] the United 2. By the way, speaking of

[54:09] Ohio, this is where the E92 was going.

[54:11] >> Oh, nice.

[54:13] >> We sold this E92 M3. It came in and and

[54:16] the fellow who bought it, he had owned

[54:17] it from new. And I don't think he was

[54:19] really paying that much attention to the

[54:20] market because he was like, "I'm going

[54:22] to get a"

[54:23] He wasn't like thinking he'd get big

[54:24] money. And I was like, "This is a

[54:25] one-owner competition final model year

[54:28] 17,000 mile manual transmission

[54:31] individual frozen silver."

[54:32] >> Yeah.

[54:33] >> Like this is the the E92 to end all

[54:35] E92s. Sold for 97,500 United States

[54:39] dollars. It was over 100

[54:40] >> Grand with the fee.

[54:41] >> Um I did a video on it. I had a lot of

[54:42] fun in that car. It's been a long time

[54:44] since I've driven an E92 M3.

[54:46] Uh and I had a lot of fun in that car. I

[54:48] forgot how how special it is to have a

[54:51] V8 in a car like that.

[54:52] >> Yeah. And it's

[54:54] It's Yeah, it's it's just an like this

[54:56] was you're absolutely right. This is the

[54:58] car. Short of like a Lime Rock with a

[55:00] manual and very low mileage, like this

[55:01] is it. Um but yeah, I mean the the S65

[55:05] it's so funny cuz like they're so

[55:06] different compared to like my car.

[55:07] Everybody asked me if I why didn't you

[55:08] get an M3? Um it just revs. That engine

[55:11] just goes and goes and goes and goes.

[55:14] >> what You know what's interesting? I I've

[55:15] always looked at the torque figure and

[55:17] looked at the torque peak uh numbers and

[55:19] thought, "Well, an engine it just

[55:20] doesn't have torque." And so you It's a

[55:22] V8, but it doesn't behave like a V8. I

[55:24] didn't feel that way when I drove it

[55:25] this time for some reason. I'm not sure

[55:26] exactly why, but it felt like it was a

[55:28] little torquier low than I remembered.

[55:31] Maybe because I had remembered it being

[55:32] like an S2000 and and it was just better

[55:34] than my expectation, but I I just really

[55:37] loved that car and that powertrain. It's

[55:38] a really nice situation.

[55:40] >> blame you. It's actually a more true, I

[55:41] would say, powertrain like for BMWs.

[55:43] Yes, it's a it's V8, but BMW engines are

[55:46] about revs. Like the M engines are high

[55:48] revving, naturally aspirated. Like the

[55:49] best ones are are I feel are like that

[55:50] from And this But yeah, I mean, it is

[55:53] I'm so glad this car car got the

[55:54] appreciation I feel like it deserves.

[55:56] It's like it's it's the one. It's just

[55:58] the one.

[55:58] >> Have you ever considered, Cannon,

[56:00] replacing your E39 M5 for an E90 M3

[56:03] sedan?

[56:04] >> Yeah, LCI. I have on occasion considered

[56:06] that but

[56:08] uh I like torque.

[56:09] >> [laughter]

[56:09] >> My motor's got torque.

[56:11] >> Your motor does have torque, but um man,

[56:13] that E90. What a great car.

[56:15] >> good. Great interior, great design, so

[56:17] if Felipe over there

[56:19] I never mind, you're not going to

[56:20] consider one of these ever.

[56:22] Um but and those wheels, the competition

[56:24] wheels. Ugh.

[56:25] One of the finest BMW wheels.

[56:27] >> Yeah, Felipe's not ready for it, but

[56:29] like a a real adult who's like wants to

[56:31] get into a real sports car might be

[56:33] ready for it.

[56:33] >> I do love the E90. I think

[56:35] >> the E90 the sedan looks better than than

[56:37] the coupe.

[56:38] >> I think the coupe looks great, but I

[56:39] think the sedan looks really good. I

[56:41] think the convertible, as much as I

[56:42] prefer convertibles in every car, looked

[56:45] a little ungainly, which is unfortunate

[56:47] because they tried really hard to make

[56:49] it look coupe-like, and I think

[56:50] convertibles are great, and I think that

[56:52] convertible in particular is a bargain,

[56:54] but it

[56:55] it's a little weird-looking, a little.

[56:58] >> Oh oh regardless, though, I'm not

[57:00] surprised to see a nice, but not

[57:03] perfect, in that it has 17,000 mi.

[57:05] That's incredibly low by collector

[57:06] standards. They're like

[57:07] >> that hit me about this

[57:08] >> that surprising.

[57:09] >> I agree with you. The thing that hit me

[57:11] about this car is that we are seeing in

[57:13] the exotic market a big rise in the the

[57:16] um you know, the pre-hybrid,

[57:17] pre-automatic

[57:19] phase. All those cars are shooting

[57:21] through the moon. It's not just those.

[57:23] This car is proof of that. Like E92 M3

[57:25] at $100,000 is something we all could

[57:27] have predicted, but now is the day that

[57:29] it's happening. It's time. Another car

[57:30] that I thought was interesting that sold

[57:31] this week for much more money than I was

[57:33] expecting was this Audi RS5. Pull up

[57:34] that that RS5 there, Cannon. Um, for a

[57:39] brief period Audi made the RS5 with a

[57:41] big old V8 and the perfect one listed on

[57:45] our site, which is a low mileage with a

[57:47] V8 in this this gorgeous blue color.

[57:50] Sepang blue.

[57:53] And [clears throat] it sold for $52,000.

[57:55] A lot more than I was expecting.

[57:58] And it's again, I think the market is

[58:00] just really coalescing around these V8

[58:04] these [clears throat] experiences.

[58:06] >> Yeah.

[58:06] >> I'm a little surprised by this one cuz

[58:09] you can still replicate a V8 automatic

[58:12] experience. And so it's a little

[58:13] surprising to see

[58:15] strength.

[58:16] >> Sure.

[58:17] >> Or an AMG GT which is also 50 grand for

[58:20] a car that should be higher

[58:22] premium in some way.

[58:24] >> Yeah, this is an NA V8.

[58:26] >> Yeah, it's an NA V8. The other thing to

[58:27] keep in mind is like this car had some

[58:30] mods on it, but a lot of these cars have

[58:31] a lot of mods on them these days.

[58:35] >> Yeah, this had the good mods. I I don't

[58:37] know. I I'm just I'm continuing to be

[58:39] interested in this

[58:40] this whole world. This

[58:42] We called it years ago on this podcast

[58:44] and a lot of other videos that this sort

[58:45] of mid-2000s to mid-2010 era where cars

[58:49] had NA V8s and and big NA engines before

[58:51] the screens, before the hybrids, before

[58:53] too much complication is going to be

[58:54] looked at as the '60s of our generation.

[58:56] And boy, is that happening right before

[58:58] our eyes.

[58:59] >> So, you all got in.

[59:01] You heard it here. Yeah, and I still I

[59:02] still think there's probably room to get

[59:03] in like

[59:04] buy the cars that you love. Like at the

[59:06] at the end of the day, if you can do it,

[59:07] buy them cuz they're

[59:09] you you might not get a second chance.

[59:11] It just depends.

[59:11] >> I definitely would not pay buy a car GT

[59:13] today.

[59:15] >> No, I mean, yeah, well, even my beloved

[59:17] 355. It's like the gold 550s like stuff

[59:20] stuff like that has moved. But there are

[59:22] still bargains out there. You know,

[59:24] that's this is a a example of that. So,

[59:26] I I think like these cars are really

[59:27] just really special. So,

[59:28] >> You got to buy the good stuff while you

[59:30] can. Toyota's still not making a

[59:31] convertible 4Runner, folks. This is the

[59:33] next best thing.

[59:35] >> Can I ask, instead of the Curvature

[59:37] Tube, would you buy we have a Ferrari

[59:39] 330 P4 recreation recreation?

[59:42] >> Yeah, this thing is so cool.

[59:43] >> so wild. Would you buy that instead?

[59:46] >> No, but I would um

[59:50] not buy the Curvature Tube.

[59:51] >> [laughter]

[59:51] >> It's a Ferrari V12, the gated five-speed

[59:54] manual. It looks I mean, the

[59:56] correct

[59:57] >> It's a little too It's a little too

[59:59] unusable and and excessive for me. I

[1:00:01] would I actually don't mind the really

[1:00:02] good Ferrari replicas. I just wouldn't

[1:00:05] want That one's just a little too like

[1:00:07] crazy for me.

[1:00:08] >> You know what I'm saying?

[1:00:09] It's a piece of

[1:00:10] grass.

[1:00:11] >> With the bubble Yeah. windshield and

[1:00:13] look over those those fenders.

[1:00:15] >> It's amazing, but I got the Countach. I

[1:00:17] wouldn't mind like a 250 short wheelbase

[1:00:20] replica. I would be interested in that

[1:00:22] or a um

[1:00:23] something like that.

[1:00:24] >> Probably it would be Do you have a 250

[1:00:26] TR rep? I know that's kind of a What's

[1:00:28] on the edge?

[1:00:29] >> pretty focused cuz there's no there's no

[1:00:31] roof on that thing and all that, you

[1:00:32] know.

[1:00:33] >> That's right. Well, we live here. When

[1:00:34] do you need a roof?

[1:00:35] >> You do.

[1:00:36] >> I live here. Um

[1:00:39] >> [laughter]

[1:00:40] >> Okay, we got any more market reports to

[1:00:42] talk about?

[1:00:43] >> I

[1:00:44] I'm I'm content to move on to questions.

[1:00:47] >> We got to move on to questions because

[1:00:48] even though we didn't Let me tell you

[1:00:49] what happened, folks. We put up a

[1:00:50] questions post this week and it was Ryan

[1:00:52] Lopez who did it and he didn't turn the

[1:00:54] questions on. He didn't turn on

[1:00:55] comments. In fact, he turned off

[1:00:56] comments and I discovered I I came up

[1:00:58] with a a thing about Ryan Lopez that I

[1:01:00] think's going to be We got to We got to

[1:01:01] use from now on. His slogan is

[1:01:05] almost.

[1:01:06] Ryan Lopez

[1:01:07] >> [laughter]

[1:01:08] >> almost.

[1:01:11] >> It does sound Yeah, in the marketing

[1:01:12] pitch the Mad Men pitch, that is exactly

[1:01:14] what we would do.

[1:01:15] >> [laughter]

[1:01:15] >> I I will defend Mr. Ryan Lopez because I

[1:01:18] think he did that while driving across

[1:01:20] the country in a Model T or whatever

[1:01:24] you're driving [laughter] across the

[1:01:24] country. And so that's going to mess

[1:01:26] with your brain in some way.

[1:01:27] >> You know what?

[1:01:28] I used to do these posts and I once

[1:01:30] missed one by like an hour and I was

[1:01:31] apoplectically cross with myself.

[1:01:33] >> Cannon, Cannon, there were expectations

[1:01:35] for you. But for Ryan Lopez, he

[1:01:37] Remember, Ryan Lopez.

[1:01:38] >> Almost. Almost.

[1:01:40] >> Um okay, so I want to move on to the

[1:01:42] questions. Somebody put up a privateer

[1:01:44] post and the questions were actually

[1:01:45] amazing. They [laughter] were incredible

[1:01:47] questions. So, we got good stuff. And

[1:01:49] the the first question is the best

[1:01:50] question from EVs and clutch pedals.

[1:01:52] Below are the 10 best-selling passenger

[1:01:54] vehicles in the USA last year. If you

[1:01:57] had to daily drive one for a year, what

[1:02:00] would it be? I'm going to read them to

[1:02:01] you. So, that's the question. Think

[1:02:02] about it as I read you the cars.

[1:02:03] >> year, okay.

[1:02:04] >> Camry, CRV, Equinox, F-150, Model Y,

[1:02:09] RAM RAV4 Sierra Silverado Tacoma.

[1:02:13] For me, it's undoubtedly the Tacoma.

[1:02:15] It's the only question on my mind. What

[1:02:16] about you guys?

[1:02:20] >> I like sedans, so it's probably going to

[1:02:21] be the Camry for me. I think the Camry

[1:02:24] The Taco actually is the was the first

[1:02:26] in my gut was that was the first thing I

[1:02:27] thought I would use, but I've never had

[1:02:29] a truck like I would be

[1:02:30] >> It wouldn't be a question for me. In

[1:02:32] fact, I wish they made a convertible

[1:02:33] one.

[1:02:34] >> I would

[1:02:35] >> [laughter]

[1:02:35] >> What are you, the Dakota Sport? Uh I

[1:02:37] would have an F-150 over the Taco.

[1:02:39] >> way, the convertible Dakota you didn't

[1:02:40] have to get a sport. You could get a

[1:02:42] standard regular or a convertible.

[1:02:43] >> Nobody did.

[1:02:44] >> You would get an F-150?

[1:02:46] >> Over over a Taco. I think I would go for

[1:02:48] a CRV Hybrid.

[1:02:49] >> Okay.

[1:02:50] >> Or or for 2026, the RAV4 GR Hybrid.

[1:02:55] >> Yeah, that's a very exciting car.

[1:02:56] Cannon, what's your answer here? You

[1:02:58] would do Camry?

[1:02:59] >> know. I I think I think I would do the

[1:03:00] Camry. It's the I love sedans and like

[1:03:02] the Camry is just it's just so

[1:03:04] comfortable.

[1:03:04] >> What are we a Toyota podcast? This is

[1:03:06] the same company that won't recall their

[1:03:07] hybrids.

[1:03:08] >> I didn't say a Toyota. You said a

[1:03:10] Toyota.

[1:03:10] >> What do you mean? You You just said the

[1:03:11] GR RAV4. You just said that.

[1:03:14] >> but I said the CRV HYBRID FIRST.

[1:03:17] >> HE CAN'T EVEN REMEMBER WHAT HE JUST GOT.

[1:03:19] HE'S GOT

[1:03:20] >> how the new RAV4 looks.

[1:03:22] >> This is the level of effort that Felipe

[1:03:23] puts into his answers.

[1:03:24] >> here in Portland, but his mind is still

[1:03:26] in Switzerland.

[1:03:27] >> That's right. That's all I got to answer

[1:03:28] a question about non-Porsches.

[1:03:31] Ugh.

[1:03:31] Okay, next question.

[1:03:33] >> salt. I love

[1:03:34] >> Next question. This is a good one. Uh

[1:03:36] from tall guy small car, question for

[1:03:37] Doug. It's actually a question for all

[1:03:38] of us. Uh you recently claimed the Lotus

[1:03:41] Esprit V8 is a cheap alternative to your

[1:03:42] Countach that still gives a similar type

[1:03:44] of excitement and feel.

[1:03:45] >> feel. I think that's true. You agree

[1:03:46] with that, Kenan, right?

[1:03:47] >> I agree with that, yep, still.

[1:03:49] >> Here Well, here's the question. What are

[1:03:50] some similar cheap alternatives to your

[1:03:52] other cars that offer a similar feel? Uh

[1:03:55] your Carrera GT or your Ford GT.

[1:03:57] >> Um actually the Ford GT is that

[1:03:59] alternative for the Carrera GT in a way.

[1:04:01] >> Yeah.

[1:04:02] >> Yeah.

[1:04:03] >> I think another alter- I think an

[1:04:04] alternative for the Countach, another

[1:04:06] alternative for the Countach is a is a

[1:04:07] Gallardo, actually. I think a manual

[1:04:09] Gallardo has a similar amount, not the

[1:04:11] same, but some gravitas, some craziness,

[1:04:14] some wedge shape, uh for a lot less

[1:04:16] money. I think that that's another

[1:04:18] possibility. Um Carrera GT is so defined

[1:04:22] by the precision of the car and the

[1:04:24] immense specialness of the powertrain

[1:04:27] that I honestly think it's difficult to

[1:04:28] replicate cheaper. Like, yes, a Boxster

[1:04:30] Spyder is also a mid-engine Porsche that

[1:04:32] has similar looks and is quick, but it

[1:04:34] it doesn't it's not even close to

[1:04:36] delivering what I think makes the

[1:04:38] Carrera GT the Carrera GT. Whereas, I

[1:04:40] think a Esprit actually gets pretty

[1:04:42] close to doing [laughter] what the

[1:04:43] Countach does, and

[1:04:45] >> I'm honest.

[1:04:46] >> Um and I don't really see a great

[1:04:48] Carrera GT alternative. The Ford GT's

[1:04:50] sort of, but I'm astonished every time I

[1:04:53] drive them back to back, you can tell

[1:04:54] why the Ford GT was so much cheaper.

[1:04:57] Like, if I didn't love the Ford GT and

[1:04:59] if I drove the Carrera GT a lot more, I

[1:05:00] would defo sell that Ford GT.

[1:05:03] >> [laughter]

[1:05:03] >> Like, it's just

[1:05:05] not on the same level. But, I think it's

[1:05:07] hard to get on the same level.

[1:05:09] >> Audi is not a bad al- Ford GT

[1:05:11] alternative for this question.

[1:05:13] >> Yeah, it's a similar idea.

[1:05:15] >> or C7 Z06?

[1:05:16] >> Different different, but like replacing.

[1:05:19] >> Similar idea, like a supercar from a

[1:05:20] regular manufacturer is still a special

[1:05:22] car, still very fast, still very cool.

[1:05:24] Think that's true.

[1:05:25] >> Viper, fifth gen?

[1:05:26] >> Yeah, a good fifth gen Viper. Although a

[1:05:29] good fifth gen Viper is not that much

[1:05:30] cheaper than a 4G T.

[1:05:31] >> Actually,

[1:05:32] for a 4G T, it's still a fifth the

[1:05:33] price.

[1:05:34] >> A regular fifth gen, but like an ACR is

[1:05:37] like a

[1:05:37] >> ACR is too much for a 4G T.

[1:05:38] >> That's too much of a

[1:05:39] >> Too much of a tracky.

[1:05:41] >> Yeah, that's true.

[1:05:43] Um those are all those are I think an R8

[1:05:44] is probably the best 4G T alternative.

[1:05:46] It's it's to me it's the same idea. It's

[1:05:48] a mid-engine, it was supposed to be a

[1:05:49] halo car, pretty serviceable, pretty

[1:05:50] usable, pretty drivable, a lot of fun.

[1:05:53] Um I think that's like the answer to

[1:05:55] that. Carrera GT I just can't come up

[1:05:56] with something really that captures like

[1:05:59] the essence of how I feel when I drive

[1:06:00] that car.

[1:06:02] You got anything, Kevin?

[1:06:04] >> No, I've been trying to think cuz like

[1:06:05] even from the Porsche world, like

[1:06:06] Boxster Spyder was the first thing I

[1:06:07] thought of, but um I mean now it's it's

[1:06:11] it's really hard. 911 ST, but yeah, it's

[1:06:13] not the same.

[1:06:14] >> A 911 GT3 RS 4.0 kind of starts going

[1:06:16] down the road, but that's a million

[1:06:17] bucks. I don't think it's I don't think

[1:06:19] it answers the question in the spirit of

[1:06:20] the question.

[1:06:22] >> That's a pretty good it's less than half

[1:06:24] the cost.

[1:06:24] >> The question the question is being asked

[1:06:26] >> I get it. Yeah, I I get it. I get it.

[1:06:28] >> Yeah. GT2 RS

[1:06:29] >> is the answer though for people that

[1:06:30] will never experience

[1:06:32] >> Boxster Spyder what you're describing.

[1:06:34] >> Like like like that only that it

[1:06:36] comparison falls apart when you get to

[1:06:37] the specialness of the Carrera GT engine

[1:06:39] and powertrain and like the feel of

[1:06:41] being in that car with that shifter wood

[1:06:43] and up there. Nobody's going to get to

[1:06:44] experience that. So if you don't know

[1:06:46] better

[1:06:47] >> Yeah, I guess I guess [laughter] I know.

[1:06:49] Hell, if you don't know better, the CRV

[1:06:50] Hybrid is actually the right

[1:06:52] >> No, we know that.

[1:06:54] >> Toyota should make a convertible

[1:06:55] 4Runner. Right, on to the next question.

[1:06:57] Uh from AA Rev 2020, "Dear Doug, with

[1:07:00] another child on the way, do you think

[1:07:01] you'll use the Sequoia year-round now?"

[1:07:03] Absolutely not. I wouldn't be caught

[1:07:04] dead driving that car.

[1:07:06] Even though I love it.

[1:07:08] Uh my wife and I have three-row station

[1:07:09] wagons. We're good.

[1:07:12] We're good.

[1:07:13] Filippo's got one, too.

[1:07:15] If we need to borrow one,

[1:07:16] >> Yeah, you you got it. I have a more

[1:07:18] spacious third row. We've tested and

[1:07:20] decided.

[1:07:21] >> Uh

[1:07:22] what about the S210?

[1:07:25] >> Uh

[1:07:26] >> That's a big butt.

[1:07:28] >> It's a big butt.

[1:07:29] >> long

[1:07:30] >> Yes, voluptuous.

[1:07:31] >> Big butt.

[1:07:32] >> Uh I love this next question.

[1:07:35] >> The next question, dear Doug, with your

[1:07:36] growing family, a lot of growing family

[1:07:38] questions, don't you think it's time to

[1:07:39] get really serious about acquiring the

[1:07:40] Italdesign Columbus? You think towing

[1:07:42] kids around on a Supra is cool? Who

[1:07:44] could be the true story van? It's more

[1:07:45] of a split-level van, I would argue.

[1:07:47] It's

[1:07:47] That's a Filippo knows he was from the

[1:07:50] Filippo grew up in Wisconsin. He lived

[1:07:52] in a split-level, for God's sake.

[1:07:54] >> Never lived in a split-level, but yeah.

[1:07:56] >> Yeah, but you had a walk-out basement, I

[1:07:57] bet. I bet you had one of those in

[1:07:59] >> we did. Yeah.

[1:08:01] >> [laughter]

[1:08:02] >> Connecticut.

[1:08:03] >> Damn, Filippo.

[1:08:04] >> Uh the answer is I tried to buy the

[1:08:06] Italdesign Columbus years ago. I sent

[1:08:08] them I I got in serious emails with

[1:08:10] them, and they were like, "We're not

[1:08:11] selling this. It's part of our

[1:08:12] heritage." And I'm thinking, "Isn't this

[1:08:14] part of your heritage that you maybe

[1:08:15] don't want to

[1:08:16] have anymore?" Like,

[1:08:18] >> It would be really bad.

[1:08:19] So,

[1:08:20] Mercedes has we talked a months ago

[1:08:23] about the VLS, Mercedes their like fancy

[1:08:25] van. First drives are out, people are

[1:08:28] vaguely into it. There's a luxury

[1:08:29] version.

[1:08:31] The Italdesign Columbus would be like

[1:08:33] the ultimate family van, for sure. So,

[1:08:36] you should reach you should reach out

[1:08:37] again.

[1:08:38] >> I they what they were suggesting was was

[1:08:40] they were said, "Hey, look, instead of

[1:08:41] give selling you the one we have, we

[1:08:42] could make you a we can create one

[1:08:44] together." And I'm like, "I'm not going

[1:08:46] to spend a million dollars creating a

[1:08:47] heinous van. You already did that. I now

[1:08:50] want to buy it for like $65,000."

[1:08:53] >> Oh, we we might be at a price mismatch.

[1:08:55] >> I would spend 200.

[1:08:57] I just have to wait for

[1:08:58] >> Italdesign folks, reach out.

[1:08:59] >> I got to wait for Italdesign to get into

[1:09:01] dire financial straits, which you have

[1:09:03] to assume is not far off.

[1:09:05] >> shocking they're not already there.

[1:09:06] Yeah, I can't believe they they would

[1:09:08] pull off something

[1:09:09] >> in I swoop in as their savior in two

[1:09:11] ways. I give them cash and I free up

[1:09:13] space and they can downgrade to a

[1:09:14] smaller office cuz that car takes up so

[1:09:16] much room.

[1:09:18] >> But you say that it's a van. I picture

[1:09:20] it more being like a Winnebago is the

[1:09:22] size I'm I'm picturing. Like

[1:09:24] it's humongous.

[1:09:26] You would have to be It would have to be

[1:09:27] 12 in the middle.

[1:09:28] >> Uh okay, next question from Bear at the

[1:09:30] Controls 7 and this is a great question.

[1:09:33] Uh Bear at the Controls 7, "Dear Doug,

[1:09:35] what's the best idea an automaker pumped

[1:09:37] loads of money into only to abandon it

[1:09:39] later?" GM OnStar, right Filippo?

[1:09:43] >> OnStar is still A THING.

[1:09:44] >> OH, YEAH. People using it I bet. I BET

[1:09:47] THEY'RE OUT THERE USING IT LIKE CRAZY. I

[1:09:49] bet THEY'RE PUSHING THE BUTTON.

[1:09:51] >> When you

[1:09:52] It only Every manufacturer now, to be

[1:09:55] fair, they led the way. Every

[1:09:56] manufacturer has like an emergency

[1:09:57] response system now where in theory you

[1:10:00] can call it for like support, but it's

[1:10:03] really a you got into an accident we'll

[1:10:05] call them now.

[1:10:05] >> But remember OnStar was supposed to be a

[1:10:07] savior and I remember I sold GM cars and

[1:10:09] I remember people would come in and say

[1:10:10] that but the Toyota has navigation. And

[1:10:13] we'd say, "You don't need navigation. We

[1:10:14] have OnStar."

[1:10:17] >> Yeah, OnStar is not a bad one. I I

[1:10:19] really thought you were going to say

[1:10:20] Quadrasteer when you said GM. I don't

[1:10:22] think that much money went into

[1:10:23] Quadrasteer.

[1:10:25] >> Quadrasteer is now on every luxury car,

[1:10:28] so they won.

[1:10:29] Once again, General Motors paved the way

[1:10:32] and then the Euro trash was was well

[1:10:35] behind them.

[1:10:37] >> [laughter]

[1:10:38] >> Was the question just Was it just one

[1:10:40] manufacturer like what they did?

[1:10:42] The car that comes to mind that never

[1:10:44] became a car to me was Apple pursuing

[1:10:46] like doing a car themselves. They pumped

[1:10:48] millions and millions of dollars into

[1:10:49] that. Never It never went anywhere and

[1:10:51] then Johnny went and gave us the Luche,

[1:10:52] which is maybe why Apple didn't do it.

[1:10:54] >> That that's the smarter decision than a

[1:10:56] brand putting a ton of money into a car

[1:10:58] that then is and everyone knows it's

[1:11:00] going to be a total flop, but they sort

[1:11:02] of get to this point. But yes, it's a

[1:11:03] lot of money and

[1:11:06] >> It went nowhere.

[1:11:07] >> I think that the Fisker Ocean's

[1:11:09] California mode.

[1:11:11] >> Wasn't that much money independently,

[1:11:12] but it's a lot of windows with motors.

[1:11:15] >> I don't think that was the I don't think

[1:11:16] that was a big part of their

[1:11:18] The fighting

[1:11:19] it was the embezzlement.

[1:11:21] >> All of their marketing.

[1:11:23] >> I mean there's been a lot of dumb

[1:11:24] marketing things that were really big

[1:11:25] components of cars that nobody ended up

[1:11:27] caring about that much. Um

[1:11:30] >> Envoy SUV.

[1:11:32] >> Stuff like that. Yeah, but I think

[1:11:34] OnStar is a really is a really good one.

[1:11:35] >> OnStar's a good answer.

[1:11:38] >> It was It was like It was like the heart

[1:11:40] of their marketing for like 20 years

[1:11:41] that they had this.

[1:11:43] >> I

[1:11:44] run flats also sort of come to mind.

[1:11:46] >> Run flats

[1:11:47] >> Toyota in the 2000s did run flat tires

[1:11:49] that had a lot of trade-off, but

[1:11:51] wouldn't go flat. They still do by the

[1:11:52] way. Offer that. But for a while Toyota

[1:11:55] on the search you mean Honda on the

[1:11:56] Odyssey also had run flats that

[1:11:58] everybody had issues with. Like there

[1:12:00] was a lot of investment in how can we

[1:12:01] make these tires be safer not have

[1:12:04] punctures not

[1:12:05] >> And nobody really bought it. Like Like I

[1:12:07] mean people bought it, but nobody bought

[1:12:09] it like mentally.

[1:12:10] >> If they could have avoided buying it,

[1:12:12] they would have. Every single Odyssey

[1:12:13] buyer would have avoided it.

[1:12:14] >> The And now though every Odyssey is on

[1:12:16] rims from that era. The ones that

[1:12:17] haven't launched their transmissions are

[1:12:19] on rims so that people can avoid the run

[1:12:22] flat tires.

[1:12:23] Uh okay, that's a good question. Next

[1:12:25] question uh from Bear with the Controls

[1:12:28] 7 again.

[1:12:29] >> Ooh.

[1:12:29] >> Hey Doug, when you went to GM to review

[1:12:30] the Cadillac Voyage, did you ask the

[1:12:32] people from GM what happened to the

[1:12:33] Cadillac 16 concept car [clears throat]

[1:12:35] from 2003? Uh I reviewed the Cadillac

[1:12:37] Voyage concept car there at GM. They

[1:12:39] have all the concept cars. It's just

[1:12:41] that not all of them run. That was That

[1:12:43] was why I had to choose the Voyage. I

[1:12:44] would have chosen a bunch of others, but

[1:12:45] a lot of a lot of the other concept cars

[1:12:46] just either never ran or only ran like

[1:12:49] with a small remote control and a small

[1:12:51] battery or something.

[1:12:53] Um or they just don't they're not

[1:12:55] operant. Um and so I think that I could

[1:12:57] have done a lot of concept cars if I was

[1:12:58] willing not to drive it, but graciously

[1:13:00] they actually let me drive this thing,

[1:13:03] which was part of the fun of the review.

[1:13:04] That's why I chose the That was one of

[1:13:05] the reasons why I chose the Voyage.

[1:13:07] Um next question from D_4BES.

[1:13:12] Dear Doug, as you mentioned recently

[1:13:13] you're never keeping you're not keeping

[1:13:15] any of your cars forever.

[1:13:17] You've historically been the leading

[1:13:18] voice of no reserve and have sold a lot

[1:13:19] of cars no reserve on Cars and Bids.

[1:13:21] Will you sell the Carrera GT no reserve

[1:13:22] when the time comes to depart with it?

[1:13:25] Heck yeah.

[1:13:27] Yep.

[1:13:28] But I have a suspicion that the world

[1:13:30] will be different when it's time to sell

[1:13:31] the Carrera GT.

[1:13:33] You know what I mean?

[1:13:34] Will Cars and Bids still be around? Will

[1:13:36] Filippo?

[1:13:39] Hmm.

[1:13:39] >> Man, these are deep philosophical

[1:13:41] questions.

[1:13:43] >> You never know.

[1:13:45] Like if I'm we're talking 20, 25 years.

[1:13:47] Like by then maybe online car auctions

[1:13:50] have gone away and all all cars are sold

[1:13:53] via chip implanted in your brain, you

[1:13:55] know?

[1:13:56] >> A walk in the park.

[1:13:57] Actually, that's Filippo's dream because

[1:13:59] then he can just imagine That's what he

[1:14:00] does. He imagines what the car is like,

[1:14:02] doesn't have to own it, and he gets that

[1:14:04] the

[1:14:05] the philosophical and the the sort of

[1:14:07] the experience out of his system. It's

[1:14:09] interesting.

[1:14:10] >> Yeah.

[1:14:11] >> I I hopefully we don't have a need for

[1:14:12] cars.

[1:14:13] >> Oh, hopefully we don't even have a need

[1:14:14] for cars.

[1:14:15] >> An hour and a half into this week's

[1:14:16] podcast. I'd be

[1:14:19] >> 25 years we as a society will no longer

[1:14:22] need cars.

[1:14:24] >> And and how many years?

[1:14:25] >> 25.

[1:14:26] >> Is that when you're going to get rid of

[1:14:27] the Carrera GT?

[1:14:28] >> Well, I don't I Yeah, probably something

[1:14:30] like I don't think it's going to be like

[1:14:31] I don't think I'll keep it forever, but

[1:14:32] I have a suspicion it's going to stick

[1:14:33] around for a while.

[1:14:36] Don't you think?

[1:14:38] >> I don't know, man.

[1:14:40] Right now your Carrera GT is worth what?

[1:14:41] 2 million? Ish? Something like that. I

[1:14:43] don't know what value it's at. But like

[1:14:45] it becomes to three, four, five. Can you

[1:14:47] still drive it? Can you still

[1:14:49] decide to own it? I don't know.

[1:14:51] >> Yeah, that'll be hard. I mean, it'll

[1:14:53] depend a lot on my financial situation.

[1:14:55] Um as the poorest Carrera GT owner, at

[1:14:57] some point I'll have to make a decision

[1:14:58] as to whether I'd rather have the money

[1:15:00] liquid. Uh okay, final question, final

[1:15:02] question, final question, final

[1:15:04] question, final question from _nick.

[1:15:07] Dear Doug, now that you're back on cars,

[1:15:08] would you take another run at the

[1:15:10] Gilmore Girls Jeep? It's just down the

[1:15:12] road in Connecticut. Folks, I've talked

[1:15:13] about this on this podcast. One of my

[1:15:15] great heartbreaks in life is that the

[1:15:17] people who owned the Jeep from Gilmore

[1:15:20] Girls will not sell it to me.

[1:15:22] Um I made them a nice offer. I made them

[1:15:26] another nice offer. I then went to their

[1:15:27] house uh

[1:15:29] with weaponry. [snorts]

[1:15:32] >> [laughter]

[1:15:33] >> Oh my god.

[1:15:36] >> No, they they never have sold it to me.

[1:15:38] Filippo, what do you think? I was

[1:15:39] thinking about this the other day cuz I

[1:15:40] I'm getting out of this G Wagon and I

[1:15:41] got to get a Jeep or something. And that

[1:15:43] car is just sitting It's sitting

[1:15:44] probably 120 mi from me. What do I do?

[1:15:47] >> When was the last time you reached out

[1:15:49] to the fine people of Gilmore Girls

[1:15:51] Jeep?

[1:15:52] >> Uh all right, it's uh last message to

[1:15:55] them was uh in uh

[1:15:58] April of '21.

[1:16:00] >> Uh it's maybe it's worth a little email.

[1:16:02] >> It's been 5 years.

[1:16:04] >> Yeah, hit them again. Situations change.

[1:16:06] COVID happened, you know?

[1:16:09] >> Well, COVID was happening then.

[1:16:11] >> It's still happening, yeah.

[1:16:13] >> [laughter]

[1:16:13] >> Uh I do want the Jeep still. Filippo, do

[1:16:16] you think I should pursue that?

[1:16:17] >> Absolutely not under any circumstances

[1:16:20] should you, but I suspect you should at

[1:16:22] least email.

[1:16:22] >> I'm going to have 10 cars here in just a

[1:16:24] second.

[1:16:25] >> And you haven't seen some number of

[1:16:27] them.

[1:16:28] >> Uh you've forgotten what it's like to

[1:16:30] have that many. I feel like you

[1:16:32] specifically said you didn't want You

[1:16:33] wanted to pair down and get rid of cars

[1:16:35] and have a more simple life.

[1:16:36] >> a long time, it's funny. The people on

[1:16:38] the internet complain about this. Doug

[1:16:40] said he was off cars, now he's buying

[1:16:41] these cars. Remember, I was off cars for

[1:16:42] 3 years and and I did I was really

[1:16:44] committed to that and I did pair way way

[1:16:46] way way down. And we got down to six, I

[1:16:48] think, at one point. And now we're back

[1:16:51] up to 10.

[1:16:52] What are you typing, Felipe? Are you

[1:16:53] looking up the Gilmore Girls?

[1:16:54] >> Can you No. Can you

[1:16:57] remind us of the 10 cars? Can you list

[1:16:58] them?

[1:16:59] Can you Can you keep track of all of

[1:17:01] them?

[1:17:01] >> Yeah, okay. You You do it.

[1:17:04] >> [clears throat]

[1:17:04] >> Are they all public? I've been gone for

[1:17:06] a couple weeks.

[1:17:06] >> Uh they're all public except the 10th

[1:17:09] one I haven't bought yet and haven't

[1:17:10] really committed to yet.

[1:17:11] >> not counting that in my mind cuz I think

[1:17:13] I'll have them all at the same time.

[1:17:15] >> You have a Carrera GT. You have a Ford

[1:17:17] GT. You have the Countach. You have the

[1:17:19] 911 Turbo.

[1:17:20] >> Yeah.

[1:17:21] >> Uh you have the the G Cabriolet still.

[1:17:23] >> Yeah.

[1:17:24] >> You have the Supra. You have the 210.

[1:17:26] The MG. You have the 213.

[1:17:29] Uh you have the Sequoia.

[1:17:31] >> Yeah.

[1:17:32] >> And then the mystery 10th car that I'm

[1:17:34] going to get

[1:17:35] pretty soon.

[1:17:36] >> That's 10.

[1:17:37] >> That's a problem.

[1:17:38] >> Yeah, it's a problem, but you got like

[1:17:39] six dude.

[1:17:40] >> So, come on. Come on. Come on.

[1:17:42] >> You got like at least six.

[1:17:44] >> Four.

[1:17:45] >> You know, Cannon keeps it simple.

[1:17:47] >> I always have.

[1:17:48] >> it simple.

[1:17:49] >> I always have. Although, now I have

[1:17:50] customer cars that are coming, which is

[1:17:51] a whole other thing.

[1:17:52] >> Yes.

[1:17:52] >> So, which is very cool and very

[1:17:53] exciting.

[1:17:54] >> and he keeps it simple.

[1:17:56] >> Simple. I think that's a good note to

[1:17:58] end on.

[1:17:59] >> That's the end of our podcast today.

[1:18:00] Cannon, do you have any final parting

[1:18:02] thoughts for us?

[1:18:03] >> Well, I'm just very happy that Felipe is

[1:18:05] back, although not back. He's

[1:18:07] He He's back, but not here.

[1:18:09] >> I saw you in person, Cannon.

[1:18:11] >> We We did have dinner the other night.

[1:18:12] He It was lovely and I'm I'm probably

[1:18:14] lying.

[1:18:14] >> Porsche studio ready to wax poetic about

[1:18:17] the difference between the 964 Speedster

[1:18:20] and the 9

[1:18:22] >> Just so people know, if anybody is is

[1:18:25] here up in New England, we have a great

[1:18:27] event where you're Saturday tomorrow if

[1:18:29] you're listening to this when it comes

[1:18:30] out at the Larz Anderson

[1:18:32] >> right?

[1:18:32] >> Uh all the spots for cars are taken, but

[1:18:34] we We still space for spectators, so

[1:18:36] come on by.

[1:18:37] >> Hey, what kind of green car come say hi

[1:18:39] to me and tell me that you you you

[1:18:41] >> What cars you got? You got anything

[1:18:42] really good?

[1:18:43] >> Honestly, yes. It's absolutely wild. I

[1:18:46] don't have it in front of me, but it

[1:18:47] it's a wild wild wild list of of cars.

[1:18:50] >> Do you have

[1:18:51] >> is no joke. [clears throat] It's a that

[1:18:52] that they great facility and like and

[1:18:54] like great people there, but also like

[1:18:55] this is like you really show up in New

[1:18:57] England.

[1:18:58] >> We we we we have a blue TVR Speed 8,

[1:18:59] yeah, which is exciting, but we also

[1:19:01] have a Project 8

[1:19:02] >> Oh my god, is that for sale?

[1:19:03] >> and a Project 7 and another Project 8.

[1:19:06] >> What color is the Project 8 and is it

[1:19:07] cat or cat or cat deleted?

[1:19:09] >> I will tell you on Saturday.

[1:19:10] >> I'm dead serious. I want you to talk to

[1:19:12] that person. I'm

[1:19:14] not screwing with you. I'm interested.

[1:19:15] Also, do you do you have a Hyundai

[1:19:17] Scoupe?

[1:19:18] >> I haven't looked I I'll be honest, this

[1:19:21] is the one time that I did not make the

[1:19:23] like breakout of

[1:19:25] >> Okay, well control F for them on the

[1:19:26] list for Scoupe. It's S C O U P E.

[1:19:30] >> I'm looking. I'm looking.

[1:19:31] >> It's not Scoupe like an ice cream. Now,

[1:19:33] by the way, British viewers are going to

[1:19:34] be watching and saying it's S C O U P E.

[1:19:36] No, no. That's what they market it as in

[1:19:38] Europe. In the States, it was called the

[1:19:40] Scoupe, spelled the same. I swear to

[1:19:42] god. Anyway, are there any?

[1:19:44] >> [laughter]

[1:19:44] >> Uh I I don't see any on this sheet.

[1:19:47] >> Another bad event from Glarus Anderson.

[1:19:51] >> [laughter]

[1:19:54] >> All right, I hope to see a lot of you at

[1:19:55] that event though.

[1:19:56] >> Glarus Anderson, go see Filippo. If you

[1:19:58] have the Project 8 and you're going for

[1:20:00] god's sake, I want to buy it if it's

[1:20:02] bright blue and it has a cat on the

[1:20:03] side.

[1:20:04] >> And then and then Glarus had 11 cars.

[1:20:07] >> If it's cat delete low wing like why not

[1:20:10] just get a regular XE, dude?

[1:20:12] >> [laughter]

[1:20:14] >> Goodbye.

[1:20:15] >> Pleasure.

[1:20:16] >> Goodbye.

[1:20:37] >> Mhm.