The New BMW M, New GM Trucks & The Stradman's Lamborghini Catches Fire! THIS CAR POD! EP116

[00:05] Hello and welcome to this car pod.

[00:09] >> I'm Nick.

[00:11] >> I'm Doug and we start this week with

[00:13] some sad news. Cannon, did you hear?

[00:15] >> I did. I heard that Jeremy Clarkson's

[00:17] been diagnosed with an aggressive but

[00:19] caught early form of prostate cancer.

[00:21] Which is

[00:22] >> Yeah.

[00:23] >> really scary and sad. He's 66. So it's

[00:26] I'm very glad they caught it at least

[00:28] but you know, it it really makes things

[00:30] very real

[00:31] and it's it's it's incredibly sad news

[00:34] and you know, it

[00:36] it's devastating.

[00:36] >> Yeah, no, it's tough.

[00:38] Who knows what'll come of it. I bet he

[00:40] knows more than he's saying. Obviously,

[00:42] he's known for a little while

[00:44] but it's hard to know exactly how it's

[00:46] going to shake down. He's obviously an

[00:47] idol of anybody in our generation who's

[00:49] into cars

[00:51] and it's just a reminder that you know,

[00:54] life can be fleeting.

[00:55] >> Right and fragile. But yeah, it's

[00:58] you know, I don't want to say that's all

[00:59] doom and gloom just yet. He's still

[01:01] still around but like you know,

[01:03] to your point. Nick of course does not

[01:04] know who Jeremy Clarkson is cuz he never

[01:06] watched Top Gear. So for Nick, you can

[01:08] just take a nap here. But he really

[01:10] you know, he

[01:12] he really was the the bombastic voice of

[01:14] entertainment in the automotive industry

[01:16] and what they created he and Andy Wilman

[01:18] and obviously Richard and James like

[01:21] I can't believe you haven't gone back

[01:23] and watched more of it because it is it

[01:25] is truly not only like for cars. It is

[01:28] such an entertaining show and like it

[01:30] it's I hope maybe this will be the

[01:32] trigger. Yeah, it changed all of our

[01:33] lives truly.

[01:34] >> Nothing in history will ever have

[01:36] changed my life more. I mean, it's it's

[01:39] in terms of content. Um Anyway, he's not

[01:42] dead. We're not eulogizing him but it's

[01:43] obviously a big deal. It's sad news in

[01:46] the car community. We just found out

[01:47] about it yesterday. He kind of publicly

[01:49] announced it sort of

[01:51] um

[01:51] in a bit of a very Clarkson way. Not not

[01:53] with some big flashy announcement but

[01:56] um

[01:57] and and we'll we wish him the best and

[01:59] we hope to hear more.

[02:01] And Nick, maybe this can be your sign to

[02:03] go and watch a little top gear.

[02:04] >> I I have gone back and watched some

[02:06] since since coming out a year or two ago

[02:08] that I hadn't I did not grow up watching

[02:10] it.

[02:10] I would say that my my father is not

[02:13] only an oncologist, but also has

[02:15] prostate cancer as well. Get your PSA

[02:17] levels checked starting at like age 40.

[02:19] It happens younger and younger and the

[02:21] earlier you catch it, the better. So, in

[02:23] a serious note,

[02:25] it is not preventable, but the earlier

[02:27] you detect it, the better. And I do hope

[02:29] sincerely that they caught it early

[02:31] enough that it is treatable through

[02:32] radiation and so on. My dad

[02:34] >> We wish him the best as well.

[02:35] >> was caught early enough that they

[02:37] basically he's now in remission and it's

[02:39] just totally livable. So, a lot of times

[02:42] it is not as serious. The fact that they

[02:44] said it was aggressive does scare me a

[02:46] bit but

[02:47] I sincerely hope he's going to be okay.

[02:49] >> Yeah. Yeah, for sure. That's good

[02:51] advice. We wish him the best. We we hope

[02:53] for a good outcome. Bit of a somber

[02:54] start to the pod, but there is our next

[02:57] story, a more positive note for we have

[02:59] here. Some sort of BMW.

[03:02] >> [laughter]

[03:02] >> Well, I don't know what this this is.

[03:03] >> It is only uphill from here. This is the

[03:05] new BMW new class concept.

[03:07] >> Neuer class.

[03:09] >> [laughter]

[03:10] >> Please the German in the group. Go

[03:12] ahead.

[03:13] >> It's the Neuer class. Yeah, you have to

[03:14] pronounce it correctly.

[03:15] >> Okay.

[03:15] >> What what is going on with this? It's

[03:17] electric. It looks like an E30 M3 a

[03:19] little bit.

[03:20] >> Exactly. [snorts] It is a new design

[03:21] study for the upcoming BMW

[03:24] new revised front fascia. They actually

[03:26] teased this a couple months ago which we

[03:27] did cover, but now it is official. BMW

[03:30] is putting this out there and

[03:33] indicating this will be the next. They

[03:34] also indicated the next M3 will not be a

[03:36] hybrid. So, good news BMW fans, you can

[03:39] rejoice and or let out a sigh of relief

[03:42] that BMW is not going to screw things up

[03:44] again.

[03:45] >> That's nice.

[03:45] >> But so, explain this to me. Like this

[03:47] this was an specifically an M concept

[03:49] car. They had they had teased the

[03:51] regular Neue Klasse

[03:55] version as a concept car a few months

[03:57] ago or maybe a year, and this is an M

[03:59] version, which is cool.

[04:01] They're saying the next M won't be

[04:03] electric. So, are they Is the plan to

[04:04] split it? Have they announced anything?

[04:06] Is that what we're just what we're

[04:07] thinking?

[04:08] >> My understanding was that they planned

[04:09] to split it, that there would be

[04:10] electric and gasoline versions. Um my

[04:13] understanding also is this is kind of

[04:14] hints what the next M3 is going to look

[04:16] like, which if that is the case

[04:18] But I I like it. I I really like the

[04:20] design elements of this. I think that

[04:22] this is a lot more the kind of car BMW

[04:24] should be making. I love that the big

[04:25] grills are are different. This is much

[04:27] more palatable

[04:29] >> [laughter]

[04:29] >> than what the the F the uh the G80 M3.

[04:32] But I think it looks really good. And

[04:35] this is honestly the first time in a

[04:36] while that I felt like a BMW concept

[04:38] comes out and I'm like, "You know what?

[04:40] I'm I'm into this. I'm I'm here for it."

[04:42] I These little

[04:43] >> But the new 5 Series looks good.

[04:44] >> The new The new The new 5 is fine. I

[04:47] don't you know, I'm not fawning over it.

[04:49] I think it's okay. It's It's better than

[04:51] a lot of other cars they've rolled out

[04:52] with. I know you vehemently disagree,

[04:53] but like it's fine. Like it's a car. It

[04:55] It looks fine. I'm I'm cool with it. But

[04:57] this is exciting, and I I think if this

[05:00] is what the next M3 looks like, I think

[05:01] a lot of people are going to be actually

[05:02] very into

[05:03] >> going to be hot.

[05:04] >> Yeah, and I think this will be very good

[05:05] for BMW.

[05:05] >> it's it's this is an electric car. So,

[05:08] it seems to me that if they're saying

[05:10] the next M3 won't be a hybrid, there's

[05:13] also an implication that it that it

[05:15] there's going to be a gas version and an

[05:17] electric version, maybe.

[05:18] >> I think that's probably what's going to

[05:20] happen. And right now it is kind of

[05:21] hearsay. We'll see what actually future

[05:23] actually holds for it, but

[05:24] >> It is interesting. Them them confirming

[05:26] that it won't be a hybrid, I wonder if

[05:27] that's direct response to the pushback

[05:30] on the curb weight of the M5. There was

[05:33] such an enormous pushback because they

[05:35] had made it a gas car and have a hybrid

[05:36] electric powertrain. And there's real

[05:38] advantages to that. Like real advantages

[05:40] to that. You can still have a engine

[05:42] with a noise, where at the same time you

[05:44] get extra power from electric. And

[05:46] basically everybody has gone down that

[05:47] road and Ferrari with the SF90 and the

[05:49] Temerario and all these cars but the

[05:51] drawback is all of those cars are porky.

[05:53] >> Exactly.

[05:54] >> They are they are big

[05:56] cars and and I wonder if BMW is just

[05:59] they don't want to go down that road.

[06:00] >> Well, the M3 should not be porky. An M5

[06:02] can kind of get away with it because

[06:04] it's more built for highway like

[06:06] cruising and like going fast in a

[06:08] straight line. More of the kind of an

[06:10] American approach to speed. But the M3

[06:12] has always been about balance and

[06:13] precision and handling and so like

[06:15] weight just is the antithesis of all of

[06:18] those things.

[06:19] So, you know, but nonetheless like as a

[06:21] design brief

[06:22] >> If this is what an electric M3 looks

[06:23] like, I'm here for it and I'm curious to

[06:25] see what you know, what the numbers are

[06:26] like for the

[06:26] >> And from the official website and a

[06:28] statement from their head of design for

[06:31] the BMW compact class

[06:33] new class

[06:34] >> Neuer

[06:35] >> Neuer class and BMW M division, this is

[06:37] a new design language for BMW M

[06:39] automobiles. So, I it is not meant to be

[06:42] just this vehicle. I I think this design

[06:44] language is meant to be spread out

[06:46] across the M line in the future which

[06:48] maybe they'll start with the XM.

[06:50] Um that would be a good one to redesign.

[06:52] >> No, just kill it. Fire.

[06:54] >> Just kill it.

[06:55] >> For sure.

[06:55] >> [laughter]

[06:56] >> Um

[06:57] the next big news story this week was

[07:00] new pickup trucks from General Motors.

[07:03] Uh to me this is basically a redesign.

[07:06] Uh totally new look, totally new

[07:08] interior, new powertrains.

[07:11] >> Bigger V8s.

[07:13] >> Bigger V8s

[07:15] uh which is pretty crazy. 5.7 and 6.6 L

[07:18] V8s.

[07:19] Um the 2.7 turbo four-cylinder is still

[07:21] sort of the base engine.

[07:23] Uh this is exciting. Nick, are you

[07:24] excited as a truck man?

[07:26] >> I love the competition between the big

[07:28] three. I don't count Toyota in that but

[07:30] um

[07:32] It's it's exciting to see

[07:34] >> Cuz Toyota wins.

[07:35] >> [laughter]

[07:37] >> Some of us like American trucks. I think

[07:39] it looks great. Again, I'm a Ford guy

[07:40] but I can get behind the Chevy. Uh the

[07:43] looks are almost universally across the

[07:45] inner webs regarded as well, that is

[07:47] that is like the freshest, nicest

[07:49] facelift / redesign on the market. Um

[07:52] it's a such a competitive market that it

[07:55] it takes a lot to really stay top of

[07:57] mind and to attract buyers. Like a lot

[07:59] of the truck buyers are going to buy a

[08:01] pickup. And so the only really way to

[08:03] expand your market share is to steal

[08:05] away from Dodge or Ford. So I think

[08:08] Chevy redesigning, making it fresh,

[08:10] making it exciting will get a couple

[08:12] Ford or Dodge buyers to look their way

[08:14] and consider it because it's it's all

[08:16] new and it's exciting. So I I'm I think

[08:18] it it could be a good move for them at a

[08:20] good time. And again, keeping the V8s

[08:22] and everything people like.

[08:24] >> Keeping the V8s is definitely an

[08:25] interesting thing. I'm curious, you

[08:27] know, where in the development cycle

[08:28] that decision was made as obviously as

[08:31] Ford has heavily started to rely on

[08:32] six-cylinder powertrains. This is a this

[08:34] is an attractive truck. It was

[08:35] attractive before, relatively

[08:37] attractive, it's attractive still.

[08:38] They're really pushing I They sent me

[08:40] the press release last week and they're

[08:42] really pushing the the off-road

[08:44] versions, the Trail Boss, which I think

[08:45] it's sort of a middling off-roader if

[08:47] we're honest. But also the ZR2, which is

[08:49] a pretty more substantial off-roader.

[08:52] Almost in becoming in the vein of kind

[08:54] of the Raptor. And I'm interested to see

[08:57] how that actually

[08:58] feels and how it actually succeeds.

[09:01] Obviously, there's new luxury that you

[09:03] know, all of the trims are new. There's

[09:04] big new screen in the center.

[09:06] Um They were they were they were heavily

[09:08] pushing also the High Country, which is

[09:10] the luxury version is you know, it has

[09:11] this and that and all these luxury

[09:13] features. The thing that also interests

[09:15] me about this update is that it probably

[09:17] will will also affect the Suburban and

[09:20] the Tahoe.

[09:21] >> Um yep.

[09:22] >> Which were fairly recently updated

[09:23] themselves, but it'll be interesting to

[09:26] see if those vehicles get new

[09:27] powertrains etc. They you assume they

[09:28] have to. They all kind of share the same

[09:31] the same

[09:32] um architecture and that kind of thing.

[09:34] >> The the The thing to your point is it's

[09:36] not quite the Raptor edition, but

[09:38] uh if you think about it, the the Raptor

[09:41] R is what you have to buy if you want a

[09:42] V8 in the Raptor. You're spending well

[09:45] over $100,000, and it's still only 5.2

[09:48] L.

[09:49] So, Chevy can now say, "Hey dude, you

[09:50] can get a 6.6 L V8 without spending 100

[09:53] grand and have the majority of the

[09:55] off-road components you want." It's

[09:57] starting to get pretty compelling,

[09:58] especially for those that don't have 100

[10:00] grand to spend on a off-roader. And and

[10:02] frankly,

[10:04] being around those Raptors and Raptor

[10:05] Rs, they're still not that fast. So,

[10:07] you're kind of doing it for the sound,

[10:08] the big burly V8s. Like, maybe this is

[10:11] actually a decent option for some of

[10:12] those folks.

[10:13] >> Yeah. Yeah, they're not going to do it.

[10:15] There are people who really, really just

[10:17] damn want a V8, for sure.

[10:19] >> You you do the Raptor R for the flex,

[10:21] not for the actual capabilities most of

[10:23] the time, but I it just this is like a

[10:25] more rational choice for the majority of

[10:28] the people who end up buying Raptor and

[10:29] Raptor Rs.

[10:30] >> I am curious to see exactly which

[10:33] powertrains will be in which vehicles,

[10:35] but even the top-level they haven't

[10:37] announced horsepower yet. Um so, you

[10:40] know, it's it's it'll be kind of

[10:41] interesting to see. But, if you can get

[10:42] a ZR2 with that new 6.6 L V8, the old

[10:45] 6.2, which was the top engine before, it

[10:48] was putting out, I think, something like

[10:49] 420 horsepower. So, you got to assume

[10:51] the new one's going to be at least 450,

[10:54] um maybe even more given the the it's

[10:57] just physically larger, and that's what

[10:59] Raptor makes. So, you're you're kind of

[11:01] you're kind of in competition there.

[11:03] That'll be

[11:05] >> Yeah, that'll be interesting to see. And

[11:06] and and people have sort of

[11:08] gone away from the RAM TRX. I'm not even

[11:10] still sure if they still make it. That's

[11:11] a six-cylinder as well.

[11:13] >> kill that off, I believe. The the other

[11:15] The other announcement is um the base

[11:18] Silverado work truck gets the Duramax

[11:20] diesel. So, they're expanding the the

[11:23] work truck range, too. So, pretty cool

[11:25] from like basically the the entry-level

[11:28] all the way to the top dog. I would like

[11:30] to see a ZR2 Max or ZR2 Plus or what

[11:32] have you that just takes it up just a

[11:34] little bit more, but uh I think this is

[11:37] enough for now.

[11:38] >> Here's what you do, Nick. I'm going to

[11:39] tell you what you do. You to get the

[11:41] ZR2, it's a it's an off-road pickup. You

[11:44] get the ZR1 and it's a Corvette, right?

[11:47] You put the ZR1 engine in the ZR2 pickup

[11:50] and you call it the ZR3.

[11:55] >> [laughter]

[11:56] >> I like it.

[11:57] >> This is something that you guys can

[11:59] consider.

[12:00] >> Why why stop there though? Like the like

[12:02] the Countach, what make it the 3000?

[12:05] >> ZR3000. Doesn't that sound better?

[12:07] >> Yeah, I'd pay extra for that.

[12:09] >> Yeah.

[12:10] Yeah, I think it does.

[12:12] >> like a very 1970s

[12:14] >> [laughter]

[12:15] >> Would you be at all shocked if they went

[12:16] that route?

[12:17] >> Honestly, no.

[12:19] >> Uh regardless, remains a competitive

[12:21] truck, very competitive segment. They

[12:23] have to do a lot to stay competitive and

[12:25] it looks like they are. Curious to

[12:26] review these vehicles uh when they will

[12:28] come out. Uh looks like they're going to

[12:30] sell at the end of the year. So, they're

[12:31] not that far away. They're probably

[12:32] going into production here in the next

[12:34] 90 days or something. So, it'll be I'll

[12:36] be excited to see it.

[12:37] >> Also, quick fact check. I'm not sure who

[12:38] said it, but the RHO is continuing. So,

[12:41] scratch that from the record.

[12:42] >> I am sure who said [laughter] it.

[12:45] >> A lot of people are saying it, but it's

[12:47] not true.

[12:48] >> They say RHO is such a great truck and

[12:51] and

[12:52] >> I'm so disappointed perpetually that

[12:54] people don't like it. You know, Ram's

[12:56] problem with that truck will always have

[12:57] been that they started with the TRX and

[12:59] then went backwards. Whereas Ford

[13:01] started with the Raptor and then went

[13:03] upwards to the Raptor R. And so, there's

[13:04] they got a lot of credibility. Whereas

[13:06] going backwards for the RHO, even though

[13:08] it's got way more power than a Raptor,

[13:09] people are still like, "Ah, it's not a

[13:11] TRX."

[13:12] >> And the ZR2 has the same issue. It's

[13:13] basically an RHO competitor of sorts,

[13:16] but everyone just wants the the volume

[13:18] dial up to 11. Like they they want the

[13:21] the flex.

[13:21] >> Although, when you look at actual

[13:22] consumers, the the regular Raptor

[13:24] radically outsells the Raptor R,

[13:26] radically. I mean, the Raptor R is

[13:28] incredibly expensive. Um, but the TRX

[13:30] never really did sell in in particularly

[13:32] strong numbers relative to how the TRX

[13:33] used to. I've very only seen a couple of

[13:35] them on the road. They are just not that

[13:37] common. Um, I am excited for the the

[13:40] ZR2, which I'm predicting right here on

[13:42] this podcast Chevy will do.

[13:45] >> Call it the 3000. Come

[13:46] >> Add it to your calendar.

[13:47] >> All right. So, as I've talked about on

[13:48] the podcast a bunch of times, about a

[13:50] year ago my wife's stepfather passed

[13:53] away after a long battle with cancer,

[13:55] and we inherited the 1973 Ford F250.

[13:58] We've done a few things to get it up and

[14:00] running and to get it finally out here

[14:01] to California. But now it's time to get

[14:03] it fully sorted out. To get this truck

[14:06] in the condition that it deserves to be

[14:07] in, we're going to hit up AutoZone for

[14:09] their quality parts that fit and

[14:11] function like original equipment.

[14:12] Thankfully, AutoZone has a wide

[14:14] assortment of parts, everything from

[14:16] control arms to fuel pumps and

[14:17] everything in between. And we can go in

[14:20] store today to get them and really keep

[14:22] this build moving. So, let's look

[14:24] around, see what we might need, go to

[14:26] AutoZone, and get this started. It's an

[14:29] old truck that sat for years and years

[14:31] and years. Uh, and it was going to need

[14:33] more things. It's going to need some

[14:35] things to keep it reliable, uh, and to

[14:38] just get it back to the condition it

[14:39] deserves to be in. For example, most of

[14:42] the bulbs no longer work. Probably a

[14:45] good idea to have them. If we're out and

[14:47] about, I want to make sure that the

[14:48] truck starts, and so a new battery is a

[14:50] no-brainer. We'll also want to get new

[14:53] fluids all around. None of it's that

[14:55] old. A lot of it got swapped out, but

[14:57] the truck didn't run for years, and it

[14:59] seems worth doing just for peace of

[15:00] mind. There's also a bunch of other

[15:02] things that I expect that I will need to

[15:04] get this project in a state that I'm

[15:06] happy with. It probably want new shocks.

[15:08] Definitely need a new oil change. I

[15:09] wouldn't be shocked if we need a new

[15:10] alternator. I also just realized I don't

[15:13] think that this tailgate opens right

[15:14] now. I've made a list. It's quite a long

[15:16] one. Luckily, I am confident that the

[15:19] folks at AutoZone can and me get what I

[15:20] need. So, stay tuned to this CarPod to

[15:23] see what we start with as we tackle this

[15:25] project with the help from our friends

[15:27] at AutoZone. Now, back to the studio.

[15:38] >> Yep. Next uh news story, please. What

[15:40] else we got going on?

[15:41] >> Uh yes.

[15:42] >> Porsche. More German car news. This is a

[15:43] Porsche podcast. So, recently an

[15:45] executive in an interview with Auto

[15:47] Motor und Sport said that Porsche will

[15:50] not produce an electric version of the

[15:53] 911. Now, I want to be clear. It was

[15:56] well, I guess clear in the lack of

[15:57] clarity that it wasn't [laughter]

[15:59] He didn't He's not saying It's not clear

[16:01] if the car will never have an electric

[16:03] version or if it's just for the

[16:05] foreseeable future will not have an

[16:07] electric version. But obviously, since

[16:09] we've talked a lot about electric

[16:10] Porsches since you know, it was

[16:11] announced that the Cayenne and the

[16:12] Boxster were going to be electric,

[16:14] there's been a lot of pushback on the

[16:15] market. They even considered killing the

[16:16] project altogether. Uh but it went It

[16:18] went It went out of

[16:20] >> other way to say that at least it seems

[16:21] like the next generation 911 will not

[16:23] There will not be a fully electric

[16:25] version of it.

[16:25] >> Now, keep in mind, Porsche has announced

[16:27] a lot of things that they've walked them

[16:29] back over the years. Uh remember the

[16:30] electric Boxster? We're still waiting

[16:32] for that.

[16:33] >> [laughter]

[16:34] >> I I know. I know.

[16:35] >> Interestingly, it has just come out. I'm

[16:37] reading a a message that I'm just

[16:39] getting this this just in uh that that

[16:41] Porsche is adding uh simulated shifting

[16:44] to the Taycan for a Taycan facelift,

[16:46] which by the way is another thing they

[16:47] said they wouldn't do. Remember when

[16:49] Porsche was like,

[16:50] >> We're all for all-out performance, and

[16:51] that's just a silly gimmick. Well, guess

[16:53] what? Now they're doing that. I agree I

[16:55] Obviously, in today's market, they will

[16:57] not be making an electric 911. That is

[16:59] very clear to everybody. There was not

[17:00] really any serious consideration that

[17:02] they might. It's nice to hear it

[17:03] confirmed. However, you have to assume

[17:05] that someday there will be an electric

[17:07] 911. It just won't be the 994.

[17:10] >> Right. Right. Cuz you have to skip over

[17:12] the 993. Can't be the 993, you know,

[17:14] with a dot and yeah. The naming

[17:16] >> be that. It will be the 994.

[17:18] >> Yep. So, yeah. I The which

[17:20] >> I guess I guess makes me happy. I'm I

[17:22] think that it's kind of

[17:24] know they realize it's just not the

[17:26] right move right now. I think it's

[17:27] inevitable at some point there it will

[17:29] go that way. Just like not yet. So we

[17:31] have gasoline engines for a little while

[17:33] longer.

[17:33] >> Yep.

[17:35] Which is nice. Well, hybrids. I mean

[17:36] that's what they've got now in these

[17:37] cars. They're all hybrids. That that

[17:39] that that GTS.

[17:41] >> I'm fine with it. That that's it's

[17:43] totally

[17:44] >> it's it's it's what we have to have.

[17:45] They're letting us They're going to get

[17:47] us to electric 911s, but they're doing

[17:49] it very slowly

[17:52] so that we can really really get used to

[17:56] like the concept of it first.

[17:57] >> Yes, like a tectonic plate. They're just

[17:59] grinding away just a little

[18:01] >> [laughter]

[18:01] >> at a time.

[18:02] >> Slowly the change will happen.

[18:04] >> You do got to ease people into the idea.

[18:06] >> Of course you do. But sports cars are

[18:07] >> Well, then that was the thing that was

[18:09] the theory with the Mission E. I mean

[18:11] this whole thing was going to go like

[18:12] this. In their minds was going to go

[18:13] like this. They released the Mission E,

[18:14] which probably was supposed to come out

[18:16] last year. And they You have the top of

[18:19] the market is electric, right? And so

[18:20] then people are like, "Oh, if the

[18:22] supercar is electric, then I can have an

[18:25] electric car in my normal car." And then

[18:27] that it like it makes it feel cool. I

[18:29] mean the 918 did that 10 years ago. "Oh,

[18:31] the supercar is hybrid. Well, then I

[18:33] don't feel so bad about having a hybrid

[18:34] Cayenne or a hybrid Panamera or

[18:35] whatever." Um unfortunately, things

[18:38] changed, the world changed, the Mission

[18:40] E was canceled, the Boxster electric was

[18:42] canceled. This onslaught didn't really

[18:44] work, and so now they're kind of back to

[18:46] the drawing board with uh without a lot

[18:48] of funds to do it. Nick understands.

[18:50] Nick's been there, you know?

[18:52] Out of funds.

[18:54] Out of funds to have fun.

[18:57] Uh next news story, please.

[18:59] >> Uh yes, the Lamborghini John Tamarian.

[19:02] So recently obviously the coupe is now

[19:04] being delivered to the United States. I

[19:05] still have don't think I've ever seen a

[19:07] customer car. Even in Southern

[19:08] California, like I still haven't seen

[19:10] one. But even so, they are currently

[19:12] testing the Spider on the Nurburgring.

[19:14] There've been lots of spy shots of it

[19:15] coming out.

[19:17] I understand my my thing with this is

[19:18] like, you know, it's like, well, kind of

[19:20] whoop-de-do. We knew a Spider was going

[19:21] to come at some point, you know, it it

[19:23] appears that it's going to be a hardtop

[19:25] convertible, which is kind of

[19:26] interesting. Um but

[19:29] my thing with this is like I kind of

[19:31] would have liked if they were released

[19:32] at the same time. Like, it would have

[19:34] been nice like I understand that one of

[19:36] like it's exciting enough like they we

[19:38] still don't have them here. I would have

[19:40] but you know, we don't

[19:40] >> [laughter]

[19:41] >> need like more excitement. We're excited

[19:43] enough about the car. Like, we saw it 2

[19:45] years ago at Quail.

[19:46] >> Yeah.

[19:46] >> And like we've been like, you know,

[19:48] bring the thing already. Um so, like

[19:50] >> Yeah, you'd be surprised though. You'd

[19:52] be surprised how many people will buy

[19:54] both. If they come out at the same time,

[19:56] they won't. But, you'd be surprised how

[19:58] many people will buy a coupe and then

[20:01] because they want one of the first and

[20:02] then a year later the Spider comes out

[20:04] and they're at the dealer and they're

[20:05] like, oh, I can still trade in and not

[20:07] lose money and I can get a Spider. Like,

[20:09] I'm going to do it. You'd be surprised.

[20:10] >> Especially if that is a hard top because

[20:12] then you could kind of make the argument

[20:13] in your head of, oh, I have the best of

[20:14] both worlds. Like, I can have the hard

[20:16] top when I need it.

[20:17] >> Nick, do you remember when the Gallardo

[20:19] Spider came out in that sky blue color?

[20:21] >> Mhm.

[20:21] >> Yeah, yeah. Blue Cefis, I believe.

[20:25] >> That was so

[20:25] cool. Yep.

[20:27] >> You know, it's funny the Gallardo

[20:28] Spiders like maybe it's just the

[20:30] particular execution of the Gallardo,

[20:32] but like it's never really been as

[20:34] beloved. Like, that car

[20:36] the coupes are way more desirable. Like,

[20:39] a lot of cars the the the Spider / drop

[20:41] top commands a significant premium. It

[20:43] seems like

[20:44] >> that world. Not in that world. Typically

[20:46] cars of that ilk the the convertible is

[20:48] less desirable. Ask Kenan about the 355.

[20:50] But, also 360, the 430, the 458, all

[20:54] those cars. Like, only the limited ones

[20:57] the Spider

[20:57] >> But, do you think a hardtop Well, part

[20:58] of the problem with the Spider was it

[20:59] just never looked as good with the roof

[21:00] down. Like, the car looked better as a

[21:03] fixed roof hardtop.

[21:04] >> I think the automakers

[21:06] Yeah, one of the things I think the auto

[21:08] makers have figured out is to make this

[21:09] convertibles look a little less open.

[21:12] >> Yeah.

[21:13] >> Like the Gallardo had this roof that

[21:14] just sort of stopped and it looked

[21:16] weird. And the the the Huracan Spyder

[21:20] and the later Ferrari convertibles, they

[21:22] looked like they had more sort of car

[21:23] around the roof.

[21:25] >> Yep.

[21:25] >> And it like made them look less weird

[21:27] with the with the roof down.

[21:29] >> Spyder looks a lot like my Range Rover

[21:31] convertible. Like it just looks kind of

[21:34] done as an afterthought rather than done

[21:35] with intention.

[21:36] >> And it didn't look that great with the

[21:37] roof up either. The roof did like more

[21:39] of an arc than it probably should have.

[21:41] It wasn't the most attractive car. But

[21:43] it was a way to enjoy a V10 with the

[21:46] roof off. And as someone who enjoys a

[21:48] V10 with the roof off, I got to tell you

[21:50] >> Right if we push that that roof hasn't

[21:51] been off in a long time because we

[21:53] discovered with the roof on it's

[21:54] actually better. Um but yeah, I know

[21:56] >> Not to get in and out.

[21:57] >> Not to well, yeah, but it's about the

[21:59] driving experience. Once you're in then

[22:00] you're in. Once you're out then you're

[22:02] out. Um but I I am curious about this

[22:04] cuz the the Huracan Spyder one of its

[22:05] big problems was that the roof robbed a

[22:07] significant amount of legroom even for

[22:09] people who normally fit in sports cars

[22:11] and are smaller. Like it was a lot. So

[22:13] I'm kind of curious ergonomically how

[22:15] this feels.

[22:16] >> a bigger car, so in theory they should

[22:18] have more space to hide stuff and

[22:20] fit it in. But yeah, it's a good point.

[22:22] >> In theory, so yeah, but we'll certainly

[22:24] see. But nonetheless, it's exciting when

[22:25] a new Lamborghini comes along.

[22:26] >> And I can't wait cuz this is just the

[22:28] tip of the iceberg, right? We're going

[22:29] to get like the STO version, the STS.

[22:31] We're like there's going to be so many

[22:33] cool special editions. These These are

[22:35] the obvious ones, but just think of

[22:37] where do we get another lifted one, a

[22:39] rally version. Do we get a a Stradale,

[22:41] thank you. Um do we you know, do we get

[22:43] the STO version with the the with not

[22:45] the clam shell, but what's the front

[22:47] clip thing called?

[22:48] >> Oh, yeah, the yeah, the little pull the

[22:50] carbon fiber that

[22:51] >> peels off the front of the car.

[22:52] >> Yeah.

[22:53] >> We're going to get all sorts of cool

[22:54] stuff. So I I can't wait. Let's get the

[22:56] Spyder out of the way then keep going.

[22:58] >> a coupe.

[22:59] >> [laughter]

[23:00] >> Still have it.

[23:00] >> I've seen one.

[23:01] >> I really just drove around?

[23:02] >> At At Rancho Santa Fe.

[23:03] >> Oh, okay.

[23:04] >> But it's not It's not the most engaging

[23:06] car. I was so disappointed with that

[23:07] car. I still think about how

[23:08] disappointed I was. It's just still too

[23:10] big and too heavy and

[23:12] uh

[23:13] It's not what I want.

[23:14] >> Yeah. Well, you know, luckily the

[23:15] Huracan exists in a plenty. They're out

[23:17] there with that great NA V10. So

[23:19] >> On On a scale of 1 to 10, how rich guy

[23:21] go fast is it in your book, Doug?

[23:23] >> Oh, 10.

[23:24] >> 10. Oh.

[23:26] >> I mean, what do you think?

[23:27] >> I think there's worse, but I mean, I

[23:29] guess I felt that way about the Huracan

[23:30] and now I look back at the Huracan and

[23:31] I'm like, man, that V10 sounds good and

[23:33] they're coming down in value. Like it's

[23:36] lowered on that rich guy go fast scale

[23:38] to like

[23:38] >> But Lamborghinis have always been

[23:40] [laughter] for

[23:40] >> I never felt that way as much about

[23:41] Huracan. I don't know why. I guess

[23:42] McLaren kind of held that title for a

[23:44] long time, but man, rich guy go fast,

[23:46] you know?

[23:47] >> A rich guy go fast.

[23:48] >> think McLaren holds the title the title,

[23:50] personally.

[23:51] >> I think [laughter] the McLaren 10 is a

[23:53] 9. you know, 897 or something.

[23:55] >> I'd give it like a 7.

[23:57] >> All these cars are just not generally

[23:59] purchased by enthusiasts. They're

[24:00] purchased by people who want to go fast

[24:02] and are rich and who don't have an

[24:04] enormous amount of of

[24:06] >> You say that, but I I really think about

[24:08] this. Like, you know, the Michael

[24:09] Jordan's 550 Maranello, I think it's for

[24:11] sale right now. And like, he bought that

[24:13] because that was the fastest, the

[24:15] highest end thing at the time. He didn't

[24:17] keep it, to be clear. Like, none of

[24:19] Like, we look back and think, oh my god,

[24:20] the cars he had, the Turbo S ones. It's

[24:22] like, well, no, that was just the

[24:23] fastest, most expensive car at the time.

[24:25] And like, that's kind of like the

[24:26] All the cars that we love have all been

[24:28] rich guy go fast cars.

[24:30] Like, the Carrera GT when it came out

[24:31] was a rich guy go fast car, too. And

[24:33] people bought that who weren't into cars

[24:34] as much. I think with a manual, it maybe

[24:35] is a little bit different.

[24:37] But like, you know, they become

[24:38] appreciated by enthusiasts later on. I'm

[24:41] not saying that necessarily would be the

[24:42] case with this. Maybe it is, maybe it

[24:43] isn't. But when it's new, it's like,

[24:45] yeah, of course it's a rich guy go fast

[24:46] car. You have to be rich

[24:48] >> I think there are cars that are not I

[24:49] think there are cars that are not rich

[24:50] guy go fast and I think there are cars

[24:51] that are rich guy

[24:55] guy fast and I think that that the the

[24:57] automatic hybrids that towed only their

[24:59] horsepower and acceleration figures are

[25:01] rich guy go fast, and I think that

[25:04] when the car is more challenging, it's a

[25:06] different situation.

[25:07] >> Well, yes, part of the challenge in my

[25:09] view comes from I would rather have an

[25:10] older car of the same dollar figure and

[25:12] take on that challenge, but that's

[25:13] purely in retrospect. That's not apples

[25:14] to apples on new cars. I

[25:16] >> I'll give you an example, the T.50.

[25:18] That's not a rich guy go fast. That is a

[25:20] car for enthusiasts, and that is known

[25:22] from day one.

[25:23] >> I I think that's true of Carrera GT, and

[25:25] I think that's true of a lot of other

[25:26] cars.

[25:26] >> Got another one for you, Rimac Nevera.

[25:28] Where was that? One to 10?

[25:31] >> That's

[25:31] >> That wasn't even Talk about a level of

[25:33] unsophistication in order to buy that

[25:35] car. [laughter]

[25:36] Like, you you Oh, it's going to be cool.

[25:39] People tell me it's going to be cool.

[25:40] Like, you just have to have absolutely

[25:42] no market awareness at all

[25:44] >> [laughter]

[25:44] >> in order to buy a Rimac Nevera and then

[25:46] like talk it up. And there are some

[25:47] people out there who who did that. All

[25:49] right, time for our next news story,

[25:50] please.

[25:51] >> Um Audi. Must be Nick.

[25:54] >> Yes.

[25:54] >> There is a new A6 Allroad. It is not

[25:57] coming as the base wagon, but we do

[26:00] continue to get an A6 wagon in the form

[26:02] of the Allroad. It is 4 in wider. It's a

[26:04] little lifted. So, basically like your

[26:06] Mercedes, like we are only getting the

[26:08] off-road variant.

[26:10] Um it does not have the 2.7 L twin

[26:13] turbo but

[26:14] um there there should be either a 3 L

[26:16] turbo diesel V6 in Europe. Um and then

[26:19] America is more likely to get the 2 L

[26:21] inline four.

[26:22] >> What is your 2.7 L twin turbo comment?

[26:24] Are you making a joke about the original

[26:26] Allroad?

[26:27] >> man. The the Allroad belongs with the

[26:29] 2.7 L twin turbo.

[26:30] >> A6 is sold as an Allroad?

[26:32] >> Like I am.

[26:33] >> But but So, even that doesn't offer the

[26:35] 2.7 L

[26:36] >> belongs as an unreliable

[26:38] twin turbo V6.

[26:40] >> I do have to say First off, I think that

[26:42] updated A6

[26:44] new Allroad is the wagon. I think there

[26:45] will also be an RS6. I don't think we

[26:47] will only get the the Audi A6 Avant as

[26:50] an Allroad. I think we'll get an RS6 at

[26:51] some point. It's been very successful uh

[26:53] in the States.

[26:55] Um I am curious, you know, my my uh I've

[26:58] had six Mercedes-Benz E-Classes. I've

[27:00] had every generation of E-Class. I've

[27:01] had uh I we own a current one, a new

[27:03] one.

[27:04] Um

[27:05] but they ditched the third row, and I'm

[27:07] very curious if we end up in an

[27:08] all-road. I think the all-road looks

[27:10] better. It's chea- a lot cheaper. Um

[27:13] maybe it's just maybe it's time. They

[27:15] neither car has a third row now, so

[27:17] maybe

[27:17] >> sedan is supposed to start at 65. They

[27:21] have not announced the pricing on the

[27:22] all-road, but assume a little higher, so

[27:24] 70s.

[27:26] >> The current all-road starts

[27:28] at like 74. Uh this will be 75, 76. But

[27:32] it's a lot cheaper than the Mercedes.

[27:35] Um

[27:36] so that'll be interesting. I don't plan

[27:37] on replacing my E-Class wagon for a long

[27:39] long long long time, but at some point,

[27:41] you know, one day. Yeah. Maybe I walk

[27:43] away, Cannon. Maybe I say goodbye to my

[27:46] beloved E-Class.

[27:47] >> Oh, it's hard to imagine. You're such a

[27:49] Mercedes guy.

[27:50] >> I'm such an E-Class guy. So specifically

[27:53] an E-Class guy.

[27:53] >> cuz you're down on the G Wagon now.

[27:55] Yeah.

[27:56] >> No, no, I I am a Mercedes-Benz guy. I

[27:58] agree with that. But I've had six

[27:59] E-Classes. When if you look at my

[28:01] Mercedes-Benz history, it's like the

[28:03] that that G Wagon I had one other G

[28:05] Wagon years ago, and then it's just

[28:06] E-Classes. It's not even it's I've never

[28:08] really branched out.

[28:10] >> [laughter]

[28:12] >> That is interesting. I mean,

[28:14] yeah, more power to you. So we know what

[28:15] we're about.

[28:16] >> That's right.

[28:17] >> We know what we're about. We know what

[28:18] we're about. We've got We love a good

[28:20] E-Class. Nick's got one now.

[28:21] >> I drove it to the pod. Had a great time

[28:23] in it. I uh

[28:25] >> two right now, and I'll tell you,

[28:26] they're both great. I haven't seen one

[28:28] of them, in fact, it's still on the

[28:29] water, but they're both great.

[28:31] >> It's still swimming.

[28:31] >> I'm so excited for the the 210 that

[28:33] you're getting to to see it and compare

[28:35] them side by side and just have some

[28:37] fun. We got to find a wagon team

[28:39] adventure.

[28:40] >> You're especially excited for the Supra,

[28:41] too.

[28:43] >> Yeah, I'm especially excited for the 210

[28:44] wagon.

[28:45] >> The Supra's is to be cool. Don't get me

[28:46] wrong. I love the Supra. I the money is

[28:49] is substantial for them. Um I'm excited

[28:52] to drive one in stock format, assuming

[28:54] you'll throw me the keys. But the the

[28:56] wagon to me I'm I'm most excited for

[28:57] because I could see myself doing that.

[28:59] >> Uh okay. A6 Allroad pump for that will

[29:02] be a fantastic experience for everybody,

[29:04] especially Nick. Show us our next news

[29:06] story please.

[29:07] >> [snorts]

[29:07] >> I hope that's the real real

[29:08] >> Oh, another angle of the E6 Allroad.

[29:10] >> Yeah, we'll bring you

[29:11] >> to Mercedes Mercedes-Benz for you and

[29:13] Mercedes-Benz guy. Mercedes-Benz has

[29:15] announced that over the next So the next

[29:17] 36 months, the next 3 years, they're

[29:19] going to produce over 27 new AMG models,

[29:22] which is a lot. Now this allegedly comes

[29:25] because be it they're

[29:26] You know, Mercedes-Benz and BMW have

[29:27] always kind of been after one another.

[29:30] And BMW has continued M has continued to

[29:33] grow and grow and grow. So like they've

[29:35] reached their 14th consecutive year of

[29:36] growth. They sold 213,000 over 213,000

[29:39] units last year, whereas AMG sold about

[29:41] 145,000 units. So their solution for

[29:44] this is to throw AMG stuff at more cars.

[29:47] >> What are we calling a BMW M?

[29:50] >> That's what I I

[29:51] It's an actual M car, the WBS VIN.

[29:54] >> Are you sure?

[29:55] >> That's That's my understanding.

[29:56] >> I have a very hard time believing that

[29:58] they sell more actual M cars than C43s

[30:02] and GLA45s

[30:04] or 43s or 35s or whatever, all that base

[30:06] level stuff. I have a hard time

[30:07] believing that.

[30:08] >> According to the data I read, that's

[30:10] what it said. So I'm not saying it's

[30:11] like a an M235i. They might be saying

[30:14] like that that

[30:15] >> Marketing people going to market.

[30:17] >> Marketing people going to market. But

[30:18] nonetheless, Mercedes-Benz is going to

[30:20] >> 71,000 M cars, 142,000

[30:24] M Performance cars. So it's two to one,

[30:28] the M light BS cars, like the X3 M50.

[30:32] They consider the X3 M50 to be the

[30:34] top-selling M car.

[30:36] >> [laughter]

[30:37] >> That is tough. But you know, be Yeah,

[30:39] [clears throat] M propaganda, I guess.

[30:40] But Mercedes-Benz is going to be

[30:41] releasing a a lot of new cars. So they

[30:43] said they're going to be releasing their

[30:44] engines they're going to reduce their

[30:45] engine variants though from 10 different

[30:47] variants down to four, which is quite a

[30:49] reduction. But it kind of makes sense.

[30:51] >> one, you know.

[30:52] >> Right, exactly. You're right. 55 guys,

[30:54] it used to be one. I know what you're

[30:56] saying. Um but it is you know there are

[30:58] there are cars that we've been waiting

[30:59] for like a new new E63. We've been

[31:01] waiting for that for a while. But they

[31:03] said they're also there'll be a

[31:05] the cars that kind of like G63

[31:06] convertible, a new black series which

[31:09] we've kind of lightly touched on C53,

[31:11] GLC 53, so and so forth. And of course

[31:13] they're coming

[31:13] >> Yeah, I mean a lot of these are just

[31:15] variants of you know like they make four

[31:18] variants of the E-Class, right? The E53,

[31:20] the E63, the E53 wagon, E63 wagon.

[31:23] Nonetheless, AMG rocking it. They will

[31:26] be they will continue to be every time a

[31:27] new Mercedes-Benz model comes out

[31:28] there'll be an AMG version. I'm waiting

[31:30] for an AMG Sprinter, Nick. I imagine you

[31:32] agree.

[31:33] >> That would be sick.

[31:36] By turbo V8

[31:37] a 65 version of it. A V12 Sprinter.

[31:39] >> version of that which people do

[31:41] aftermarket, but yeah I I agree.

[31:43] >> You looking for a nice high roof?

[31:45] >> 4x4 squared Sprinter. I mean there's

[31:47] there's so many possibilities. They did

[31:49] announce a GLE 63 and GLS 63. Both are

[31:53] getting the flat plane crank V8 for

[31:55] 2027. So that's two down of the 27. They

[31:58] owe us 25 more.

[31:59] >> Right. Plus there could be more than

[32:01] that they said. So we'll we'll certainly

[32:02] see. But

[32:03] I don't know. I'm here for more AMG

[32:04] products. I like their cars as a former

[32:06] owner myself. I think they do make

[32:08] >> That's right.

[32:08] >> I do I I am you know with the M cars I

[32:12] still feel like it's a little bit more

[32:13] driver centered to considering BMW M

[32:15] still offers a manual transmission in

[32:17] some few variants, but they still offer

[32:19] one which is cool. And Mercedes-Benz has

[32:21] I not offered a manual in a car in a

[32:23] really long time. So

[32:24] different perspectives, but you know

[32:26] nonetheless like I'm happy to see more

[32:27] AMG stuff around, you know. I think it's

[32:29] cool.

[32:29] >> The death of enthusiast cars has been

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[34:44] >> Okay, that's the end of our news. Time

[34:46] for our talk cars segment where we talk

[34:49] about cars. What have we got to talk

[34:51] about? Kennan, why don't you start us

[34:52] off?

[34:52] >> Well, I'll take it away. So, there's

[34:53] lots of good news in my world all

[34:55] around. So, the first thing I want to

[34:56] say is I just want to thank everybody

[34:57] who reached out of the launch of my new

[34:59] thing. I've had over 80 submissions of

[35:02] cars to me.

[35:03] Some I'm saying yes to, some I'm saying

[35:04] some are great fit, some aren't quite

[35:06] the right fit, just depending on, you

[35:07] know, where people are and the value

[35:08] current things. But, it has been

[35:10] overwhelming the positivity that people

[35:12] have sent. People have emailed me and

[35:13] told me that it's a huge inspiration

[35:14] that I'm doing this and like I I am so

[35:17] humbled.

[35:18] I genuinely am. It was not I it was way

[35:20] better than I was expecting. And I'm I'm

[35:22] truly truly grateful. So, got a lot of

[35:24] cars that are coming. I've got a couple

[35:26] cars that are inbound soon. I'm wrapping

[35:28] some contracts up on stuff that's coming

[35:29] like really cool interesting stuff.

[35:31] There's a Lotus Emira that's going to go

[35:32] live relatively soon that the

[35:33] photographer has finished on. I've a

[35:35] Bentley that's driving

[35:36] >> Supras?

[35:37] >> You know, I already did that for you.

[35:38] You know, I handled that last week. You

[35:40] know, I think that proved I'm good at

[35:41] it. You know, good 30 seconds I got one.

[35:43] He got it delivered. Done, you know?

[35:45] That's that's

[35:46] >> Kennan,

[35:47] Kennan, I'm going to tell you Can I tell

[35:48] you something else I'm looking for that

[35:49] you can find for me?

[35:51] >> Sure.

[35:52] >> A really clean Evo 8 in a bright color.

[35:55] >> Ooh, that's interesting. Okay.

[35:58] >> I'll see what I can do. I mean, you

[35:59] know, you have two cars you haven't

[36:00] seen, but sure, I'll add a third to

[36:02] that. That's why not?

[36:03] >> Yeah. And I got to go get a Jeep any day

[36:05] now. I got to go get it when it rains.

[36:06] I'm going to go get a Jeep. So, that'll

[36:08] be three three new cars.

[36:09] >> You're just buying. You're just buying

[36:11] cars.

[36:11] >> No, that'll be a lease. That'll be a

[36:13] lease.

[36:13] >> Oh, that'll be a lease. Okay.

[36:14] >> [laughter]

[36:15] >> That's fair. It was at Rust to Riches on

[36:17] Nantucket anyway.

[36:18] >> Prestige Financial will buy that one.

[36:20] I'm glad to hear that. That's wonderful.

[36:22] It sounds great. It sounds like things

[36:24] are moving along. Kennan R, Kennan is

[36:26] going to be auction representing. Ken,

[36:28] you want to sell a car? Don't sell it

[36:30] normally. Sell it with Kennan. That

[36:31] should be your tagline.

[36:33] >> I don't think

[36:33] >> You want to sell a car? Don't sell it

[36:35] normally. Sell it with Kennan. Nick, you

[36:38] like that?

[36:39] >> You don't forget the the R. Kennan R.

[36:41] >> And Nick likes to keep pointing that out

[36:43] like I'm a pirate. But but thank you.

[36:45] Thank you for the Okay, I really

[36:46] appreciate it, but again, like I'm just

[36:48] genuinely humbled and and it's it's been

[36:51] really positive for me. I'm I'm very

[36:52] happy.

[36:52] >> the Kennan. People love the Kennan. Why

[36:54] can't

[36:54] >> I love the people and I love the

[36:55] enthusiasm and I definitely love the

[36:57] cars. But another big piece of of good

[36:59] news happened in my life this weekend.

[37:01] Lewis Hamilton won the Spanish Grand

[37:03] Prix. Finally, Lewis won not only a race

[37:07] in a a little while in his career. It's

[37:08] been quite a a dry spell, but a first

[37:11] actual race, not a sprint race, for

[37:13] Ferrari and the world rejoiced. I think

[37:15] everybody was happy about that.

[37:17] >> You know when when Lewis started

[37:19] When I don't know anything about Formula

[37:20] 1, don't watch it, had no idea this

[37:21] happened. But when when Lewis started

[37:23] last year, I told you that he was too

[37:26] old and would not be winning. And you

[37:27] were like, "We'll see."

[37:29] But I've been I've been right.

[37:31] >> Well, you know, he did win. So like

[37:33] there were there was like there

[37:35] >> [laughter]

[37:35] >> It only took him 18 months. How's he

[37:37] doing in the standings? Is he going to

[37:38] like win the whole thing or I imagine

[37:40] not.

[37:41] >> Well, he's he's he's doing quite well.

[37:43] He's second right now. Isn't that right,

[37:44] Ryan? Ryan's the other F1 fan here.

[37:46] >> How's he second if he's only won

[37:47] one race?

[37:48] >> Well, it's it's there've been a variety

[37:50] of winners. Kimi Räikkönen and Lewis

[37:51] from Mercedes-Benz have been really been

[37:52] crushing it.

[37:53] >> Nick and I, let me tell you something.

[37:55] >> So

[37:55] the so the the point system is

[37:57] >> Due to yeah, due to some controversy in

[37:58] the Middle East, we lost two races and

[38:00] had to take a sabbatical in the middle

[38:01] of the season, which was a little

[38:02] abnormal. So there haven't been as many

[38:04] races now as there would have otherwise

[38:06] been, which is part of why this is the

[38:07] case. But nonetheless,

[38:09] >> I watch Nick and I watched NASCAR in the

[38:11] moonshine days and back then you used it

[38:12] used to be obvious who won. You know

[38:15] what I mean? It used to be obvious who

[38:16] was leading in the points. It was the

[38:18] guy you transported the most moonshine.

[38:20] Am I right, neck?

[38:22] >> Yeah, sure.

[38:23] >> [laughter]

[38:24] >> Right, exactly.

[38:25] >> The the the other it just it's so you

[38:27] know, Ferrari has been known on the F1

[38:30] side to shoot themselves in the foot

[38:31] with bad strategy decisions. It's been

[38:33] like a whole thing.

[38:34] Uh they maybe got a little bit of a a

[38:37] help from a a good safety car that he

[38:40] could pit basically get a free pit stop

[38:42] and that that helped him win, but it

[38:44] made me think, okay, they've shifted

[38:45] their strategy blunders from Formula 1,

[38:48] they're now kind of doing what they

[38:49] should be and they moved that over to

[38:51] the whole Lucha program. So maybe I can

[38:54] forgive the Lucha if they want to take

[38:56] all their dumb ideas and funnel it into

[38:57] EVs, right? Ferrari was founded as a

[39:00] race team and the cars were just there

[39:01] to support the race team. So if they

[39:03] want to start winning F1 again, do

[39:05] whatever you want with EVs.

[39:06] >> you hit it on a point Jeremy Clarkson

[39:08] made this point many years ago. He said

[39:09] when the road cars are good, they suffer

[39:11] in Formula 1 and when the Formula 1 car

[39:13] is good, the road car suffers. So the

[39:15] road car is going to have a bit of a

[39:16] tough time with the Lucha and Lewis

[39:18] Hamilton is winning the race.

[39:19] >> brought to you by the SF90.

[39:21] >> [laughter]

[39:22] >> I'll tell you this, I'm proud of Lewis.

[39:24] I personally haven't

[39:26] accepted any Barcelona GP since they

[39:28] left Montjuic.

[39:31] The Spanish know what I'm talking about.

[39:33] Um but I'm happy for uh Lewis and I'm

[39:36] happy for Ferrari except for all the

[39:37] tumult in the road car division as you

[39:39] bring up. And uh I think that I speak

[39:42] for Cannon when I say that I would

[39:43] prefer racing success

[39:46] um to road car success.

[39:48] >> Yeah.

[39:49] >> Yeah, I like the old stuff, so it works

[39:51] out well for me.

[39:51] >> It aren't the the the cars were already

[39:53] built. Now we just want to win.

[39:54] >> That's right.

[39:56] >> It's ironic that they care to win

[39:57] anymore considering they're making this

[39:58] electric hatchback thing. Like,

[40:00] [laughter] does anybody get You know

[40:02] what I mean? Like it doesn't even matter

[40:03] to the people who are going to be buying

[40:04] that trash, right?

[40:06] >> [laughter]

[40:08] >> Focus on it. Agree more.

[40:09] >> That's true, but I mean think about it.

[40:11] The Lucha could have If Ferrari can pull

[40:13] it off and I I am I really want to see

[40:15] Lewis win his eighth championship become

[40:16] the most successful driver in history.

[40:18] >> Me too.

[40:18] >> I really I think actually a lot of

[40:20] people actually do kind of want to see

[40:21] it love him or hate him.

[40:22] >> about? What about Schumacher? You don't

[40:23] want Schumacher to be the most

[40:24] successful driver in history?

[40:25] >> tied. They're tied with seven world

[40:27] championships between them. And Lewis

[40:28] has been around longer and has racked up

[40:30] more accolades as as a result.

[40:32] Um but I mean he still is performing at

[40:34] a such a high level. [laughter]

[40:36] Um so

[40:37] I've I've you know I'm it just made me

[40:39] really happy. Not only see the Ferrari

[40:40] on on the top but also like I've never

[40:42] been a die-hard Lewis Hamilton fan. I'm

[40:43] happy he races in my my colors now but

[40:45] like you know I'm really happy for

[40:48] >> When is the last time Ferrari won an F1

[40:49] race?

[40:51] >> Uh Carlos Sainz 2 years ago, right?

[40:53] Isn't that right? I believe that was uh

[40:55] yeah it's cuz they won a minute.

[40:56] >> Oh man, I Google it and it says it

[40:58] yesterday at the Barcelona Grand Prix.

[41:00] >> that's right. Don't you forget it,

[41:01] buddy.

[41:02] >> the problem with AI. This [laughter] is

[41:04] the problem with AI.

[41:05] >> What it's up to date that's right.

[41:06] >> recognize that I I don't support the

[41:08] Barcelona Grand Prix since it left

[41:10] Montjuïc.

[41:11] >> Okay, uh we want to move on to the other

[41:13] top cars that was a big deal in Nick's

[41:15] world. Nick, tell us.

[41:16] >> Oh my god, the world stopped uh over the

[41:18] weekend. Everyone stopped what they were

[41:21] doing.

[41:21] >> Hamilton. It was bigger than that.

[41:23] >> Bigger than that.

[41:24] Uh although a problem Ferrari's had in

[41:26] the past. We had an Italian car burn to

[41:28] the ground on TV. So Stradman's OG

[41:32] Gallardo which started the channel, he

[41:34] famously like after he quit his job

[41:36] basically like lived out of this thing.

[41:38] Um it had gone through a number of

[41:40] iterations including a big turbo build

[41:42] that went pretty wrong. It then got a

[41:44] new motor after that went wrong. He was

[41:46] just driving it around.

[41:48] >> Who did the new motor that that

[41:50] lit up? I I believe it was done by

[41:53] Royalty Exotics in Vegas. And then the

[41:56] turbo build was done by that. But

[41:58] Stradman made it very clear he doesn't

[41:59] blame any of the people that had touched

[42:00] it. It had been leaking power steering

[42:02] fluid and there was a puddle in his

[42:04] garage. And he was driving it anyways.

[42:06] He went to I believe Raising Cane's to

[42:08] go get some takeout for him and his

[42:10] girlfriend.

[42:11] Um and when the car caught on fire, he

[42:13] didn't have a fire extinguisher, so he

[42:15] used the Coke Zero to try to put it out.

[42:17] >> And the Ferrari cover that was

[42:19] >> Yeah, and yeah, he tried to do the

[42:20] blanket like he tried his best, but the

[42:22] whole thing is on camera, which is just

[42:24] unreal. You hear of exotic cars burning

[42:25] down, maybe you see one, but to have it

[42:28] on video and then watch him vlog as

[42:30] these random good Samaritans come with

[42:32] fire extinguishers to put it out and

[42:33] then the cops come and then Sophia comes

[42:36] with a TRX and a flatbed. Like you watch

[42:38] the whole thing unfold.

[42:40] >> It is just the wildest 13-minute vlog

[42:42] I've ever seen.

[42:44] >> I watched the video. I rarely watch

[42:45] videos.

[42:46] >> [laughter]

[42:47] >> I watched the video and I was thinking

[42:50] to myself

[42:52] I am glad that I'm not a vlogger.

[42:54] Because [laughter] he's sitting there,

[42:55] the car is burning down and he's like

[42:57] filming not I don't I don't begrudge him

[42:59] this. I I just I'm I'm feel bad for him.

[43:02] He's sitting there like having to film

[43:03] this whole thing cuz he knows he's going

[43:05] to need the footage. And I'm like this

[43:06] is not a moment that I would want to be

[43:08] sitting there trying to like grab my

[43:09] phone. Like I would I would want to be

[43:11] dealing with it in other ways, not on

[43:13] camera, not showing the world how I'm

[43:16] think cuz this car's been like integral

[43:17] to his entire career and his car it's

[43:19] whole story arc and all that. Um

[43:21] definitely not what I would want to be

[43:24] like thinking about while my car is

[43:26] burning down.

[43:27] >> Yeah, maybe you've had a couple of cars

[43:28] catch fire. Like could you imagine you

[43:31] know, getting the camera and and doing

[43:33] that whole situation?

[43:34] >> it's funny having had my fair share of

[43:36] car troubles, my thought was I would

[43:38] have let that thing burn to the ground.

[43:39] Like at some point you don't even want

[43:41] to try to save it and just say like it's

[43:43] definitely his most sentimental like

[43:44] it's definitely not his

[43:47] fastest car or best car or anything like

[43:49] that. I'm pretty sure it's his most

[43:50] sentimental, most like connected to car.

[43:53] It'd be like the E39 burning down.

[43:54] >> Yeah, Ken, Ken, tell us tell us take us

[43:56] through the E39 M5 starts catching on

[43:58] fire. You make YouTube videos. Do you

[44:01] get out your camera and start filming it

[44:02] right there on the roadside?

[44:04] >> No, I hope that it maintains fine if the

[44:05] dash cam catches it, but other than

[44:06] that, no. I like I would just focus on

[44:08] trying to save the car. I do keep a fire

[44:10] extinguisher in my car, which I like

[44:12] this underscores especially with older

[44:13] cars, even ones that are, you know,

[44:14] relatively reliable. A, if there's a

[44:17] problem with it, don't drive it. Just

[44:18] fix it, especially if it's a flammable

[44:20] liquid that's ending up on the ground.

[44:22] Maybe get that fixed before you take it

[44:24] out to go get Raising Cane's. But the

[44:25] other thing is that having a fire

[44:27] extinguisher in your car at all times,

[44:28] especially if it's older and you when

[44:30] you really love it,

[44:32] you know, if if you can catch the fire

[44:34] while it's small, then it's worth

[44:35] repairing. But when it gets to this

[44:36] level like that it's coming out the

[44:38] intakes and the wheel well, it's like

[44:40] you've, you know, I it's a big big scary

[44:43] thing.

[44:43] >> a car mounted on the wall. It's it's

[44:45] currently a old Formula 1 or Indy car, I

[44:47] can't remember which, but all the

[44:49] comments are like, "Oh, this is your new

[44:50] wall car." And that would be a cool like

[44:52] turn into an art piece or something

[44:53] because

[44:54] >> you better fix it.

[44:55] >> already gone through a lot of trouble.

[44:57] Like I don't I don't resurrecting it at

[44:59] this point is it's maybe it's maybe too

[45:02] far gone.

[45:02] >> you can you can you can do it and it's

[45:03] going to make for a a good

[45:05] >> series, whatever happens. And and maybe

[45:07] he sends it down to our buddy Rich

[45:08] Rebuilds, who Rich Rebuilds it. That'd

[45:10] be sick.

[45:12] He doesn't rebuild poor, am I right?

[45:14] >> That's right.

[45:14] >> Tavarish was in the comments as well. So

[45:16] yeah, there there there are some people

[45:17] raising their hands. I disagree with you

[45:19] on the whole vlogging thing. So I as

[45:22] someone a fellow enthusiast of takeovers

[45:25] like you and Jason Cammisa, um the the

[45:28] the problem is that the footage from

[45:30] those events are never that good, right?

[45:32] Like either people aren't filming or the

[45:33] ones that are filming like don't even

[45:35] know its orientation for the phone and

[45:36] are just like yelling into it. We got

[45:39] like production the production quality

[45:41] of watching the Garrett burn to the

[45:42] ground is extremely rare to like see it,

[45:46] feel it, like experience it with him.

[45:48] Like I truly There was one part where he

[45:49] kind of like started to choke up and

[45:51] like was just like so overwhelmed. Like

[45:53] I just I felt the same roller coaster of

[45:55] emotions he did.

[45:56] >> it was great it was interesting to watch

[45:58] it as a watcher. I just feel for him. I

[46:00] feel like I'm sad that your life

[46:01] involves

[46:03] you have to

[46:04] your first thought when your beloved car

[46:06] is burning down is I I'm not going to

[46:10] you know, instead of running around to

[46:12] the next door to all the businesses

[46:14] trying to find a fire extinguisher or

[46:15] screaming in the street or calling the

[46:16] fire

[46:17] my first thought is let's get out the

[46:19] camera because my audience has to see

[46:20] this, you know, like I I it's it's it's

[46:24] it would just be hard. I think that life

[46:25] lifestyle would be kind of challenging.

[46:27] >> I I feel that, but I just mostly I just

[46:29] feel for him and I feel bad. I remember

[46:31] vividly when he bought this car. It

[46:32] wasn't that long after I bought my M5.

[46:34] And you know, it's just like I

[46:36] understand the sentimentality around it

[46:38] and it's it's just sad to see a car, you

[46:39] know, go down like that.

[46:41] >> You know, when Thomas Edison's

[46:42] laboratory caught on fire

[46:44] he was quoted as saying, "Go get your

[46:45] mother and all her friends. They'll

[46:46] never see a fire like this again." Like

[46:48] [laughter] this Stratman did us all a

[46:50] Thomas Edison here and basically said,

[46:53] "I'm going to gift the world watching a

[46:55] Guard to burn to the ground. That is now

[46:56] off my bucket list and thankfully it's

[46:58] not my Guard also. Thank you, Stratman."

[47:00] >> Hop into the comments on this video and

[47:01] write that as a comment. Go get your

[47:03] mother and all her friends. You'll never

[47:05] see a fire like this again.

[47:07] >> [laughter]

[47:07] >> Yep. Yep. Yep. That's that that quote

[47:09] works a lot of different levels, I

[47:11] think.

[47:11] >> Thomas Edison quote. Not what I was ex-

[47:13] not what I was really

[47:14] >> [laughter]

[47:14] >> not what I was expecting to

[47:15] >> You want to talk TTRS? I see there's

[47:17] some TTRS activity. For for those of you

[47:19] long-time viewer not who haven't been a

[47:20] long-time viewer, long-time viewers know

[47:21] about it. Now, Nick is

[47:24] uh

[47:25] well-known in the Audi community because

[47:26] he money shifted to TTRS and blew the

[47:28] motor years ago. And now it looks like

[47:31] he's thinking about getting a new one.

[47:33] Nick, tell us tell us about that.

[47:34] >> A buddy of mine called me over the

[47:36] weekend at the dealership floor. He's

[47:38] like champing at the bit. Like, "Should

[47:40] I buy this?" And I I told him to slow

[47:42] his brakes. Like the the price they're

[47:45] asking for wasn't that good. And I got

[47:46] there's one on Cars and Bids.

[47:48] Um and so I went to go look at it for

[47:51] him because it happens to be local in

[47:52] Encinitas, California. Owned by a

[47:55] professional snowboarder. A dude who I

[47:57] like was super stoked to meet. So, I'm

[47:59] like, I will go look at it for you. It

[48:01] is the next generation, so automatic

[48:03] only, which means I cannot money shift

[48:05] it.

[48:05] >> It'd be great. Like I I think that that

[48:08] that's in Okay, continue.

[48:09] >> Yes, it's full circle. It's modded, much

[48:11] like mine was. It has HREs, the MSS

[48:14] lowering springs. But, I told my buddy,

[48:16] cuz he doesn't want the mods, I will

[48:18] own it for you for a bit. I will reverse

[48:20] mod it for you. I then I will ship it to

[48:22] you in Chicago, however you like. So,

[48:25] I'm trying to finagle a deal in which my

[48:27] buddy pays for the TTRS, and I get to

[48:29] drive it and enjoy it for like a summer

[48:31] as an automatic, and I can non-money

[48:33] shift a DSG TTRS that is tuned and

[48:37] modded.

[48:37] >> Doug, you wouldn't take this one?

[48:38] >> going to say is

[48:39] >> Genius. I know. Go get your mother and

[48:42] all her friends.

[48:43] >> of how Nick is Kramer. I'm going to All

[48:44] I'm going to say is

[48:46] um

[48:47] I think that it would be If you're going

[48:49] to get back into the TTRS community, I

[48:51] think it would be good to do it with an

[48:52] automatic, much like your SLR. I think

[48:55] that

[48:56] um

[48:57] that's the best way forward for you with

[48:59] sports cars. Let me just I'm just going

[49:01] to That's diplomatic. I'm just going to

[49:02] say that. That's the best way forward

[49:04] with you for performance cars,

[49:06] automatics.

[49:07] >> Yeah, well, that's what you say. Um as a

[49:10] person who's manually converted two

[49:11] cars, I don't necessarily think that is

[49:14] correct, but sure. There I I I accept

[49:17] the old transmission.

[49:19] >> you you manually converted two cars, and

[49:21] you engine converted your TTRS after

[49:23] money shifting.

[49:24] >> So, you've actually

[49:25] >> You've done a lot of great work.

[49:26] >> same engine. We just enhanced it. We we

[49:28] put in some sleeves and

[49:30] ARP [snorts] hardware and so on.

[49:32] >> And and and and a lockout or two.

[49:34] >> It it

[49:35] >> [laughter]

[49:35] >> Truly never happened. It truly never

[49:38] happened. You can continue to insist

[49:40] that I money shifted it. I am a

[49:42] professional driver on a closed course,

[49:43] so

[49:44] >> [laughter]

[49:45] >> disagree.

[49:46] >> It never happened, but but by God, I'm

[49:48] trying to get the automatic version now.

[49:50] >> I just would be so excited to have

[49:52] another TTRS. It sounds so cool. And

[49:54] it's fun when you can I know you all did

[49:56] that like big event at Velocity or what

[49:58] have you, but like it it's cool when the

[50:00] sellers are like, "Yeah, come check it

[50:02] out." And then we just like chatted at

[50:04] the parking lot at Panikin Coffee for

[50:06] like an hour about Audis and RS6s and

[50:09] TTRSs and R8s. And we knew a lot of the

[50:11] same people. So, it was like a a fun way

[50:13] for me to meet one of my heroes cuz I

[50:15] grew up obsessed with snowboarding. But

[50:17] like under the premise of like car

[50:19] stuff. So, I I had just like a fantastic

[50:21] time.

[50:21] >> to pursue this car? Is this actually

[50:23] going to happen where you where you have

[50:24] the car and you have

[50:24] >> ends tomorrow before this goes So, on

[50:27] Thursday before this goes live. So, if

[50:29] my my friend Ted uh wins it, then then

[50:32] we'll have to post and say that. I'm

[50:34] going to let him bid under his username

[50:35] cuz I'm too affiliated with Cars and

[50:37] Bids and all that.

[50:38] Um but I I I adore this car and I'm

[50:41] really hoping come Friday I {slash} we

[50:44] have a TTRS in our garage.

[50:46] >> Fingers crossed.

[50:47] >> we, baby.

[50:47] >> I {slash} we.

[50:48] >> Uh yeah, I think it's I think it's the

[50:49] right I think it's I think it's the

[50:50] right TTRS for you, obviously, also.

[50:53] Um

[50:53] >> [laughter]

[50:54] >> You You mean that as an insult, but I I

[50:56] agree this is the right TTRS for me. I'm

[50:58] excited for it.

[51:00] >> Time to move on to the market report,

[51:01] which of course is brought to you by

[51:02] Cars and Bids, the reason that we're all

[51:04] here. Cars and Bids. Um

[51:07] I want to talk about under $10,000 cars.

[51:09] We had a few great sub-10K cars close.

[51:12] Nick, you watching these sub-10Ks

[51:14] anymore? Are you Are you Are you bigger

[51:15] and better than that?

[51:16] >> Oh, no. I'm I'm all over it.

[51:18] >> [laughter]

[51:19] >> Nick, Kennan, type in Focus ST. Let's

[51:21] start there.

[51:22] >> Oh, yeah.

[51:22] >> We had a Focus ST yesterday, today, I

[51:25] don't know when, sell for 4,700 United

[51:28] States dollars.

[51:31] >> That is crazy.

[51:31] >> 4,700 United States dollars. Now, this

[51:35] car had problems. It's got a bad Carfax.

[51:37] It's got old tires. It's got a little

[51:39] rust, etc. But this is a damn cool car

[51:41] that sold for 4,700

[51:44] United States dollars, okay? That's

[51:45] That's a real thing that happened. And

[51:47] by the way, this is a low result. The

[51:49] car had issues, but there are other

[51:51] Focus STs that are pretty regularly

[51:52] selling for between 6 and 10 grand. Like

[51:55] if they're modded, if they're rough,

[51:57] etc. etc. Okay, so

[51:58] >> I mean even at slightly higher That is

[51:59] such a cool car. Like that's a great

[52:01] daily.

[52:02] >> As we intend to sell our 2014 Ford Focus

[52:04] non ST, and I'm hoping to get more money

[52:07] than that. So [laughter] I

[52:09] I think I'm going to have to have a chat

[52:10] with my wife on what the realistic

[52:11] values are.

[52:13] >> Okay, so then pull up Then pull up Audi

[52:15] S6 Kennan.

[52:17] >> [snorts]

[52:17] >> Oh, yes.

[52:19] >> Now, we just sold Nick, we just sold an

[52:21] S6

[52:22] >> Oh my god, the V10?

[52:24] >> V10 S6 for 7,400

[52:27] United States dollars.

[52:29] >> go wrong there?

[52:30] >> 7,400 bucks. 435 horsepower V10. Again,

[52:34] it had a bad Carfax. It says that the

[52:36] the right high beam is inop, the TPMS is

[52:38] in is is is faulty. Again, the tires are

[52:41] old, but 7,400 dollars. Now, what I

[52:44] would as a kid, by the way, cars at this

[52:46] price point had flaws, okay? So that's

[52:48] still the case. People are going to look

[52:50] People are going to comment and BE LIKE,

[52:51] "YEAH, BUT IT'S GOING TO BLOW UP TO

[52:53] LISTEN, it's sub 10K, okay? You're

[52:56] You're not getting a perfect car, all

[52:57] right? But this is a V10 S6. Now, type

[53:00] in Protege, the other big sub 10K sale.

[53:03] This Protege, this Mazda Speed Protege

[53:06] just sold for 4,600 dollars. Now,

[53:09] >> Dang.

[53:09] >> a Mazda Speed Protege doesn't get a lot

[53:11] of love or excitement. However, this was

[53:13] the predecessor to the Mazda Speed 3,

[53:15] which is a car that a lot of enthusiasts

[53:16] love. It had a turbo engine. There were

[53:18] There were two special variants of this

[53:20] Protege. One was called the MP3, which

[53:23] didn't have more power, but this one

[53:24] did. It was a turbo four-cylinder,

[53:26] front-wheel drive, but it's a turbo

[53:27] four, just like the Focus ST. And it

[53:29] just had a massive service. It had a

[53:31] 7,000 dollar recent service. New head

[53:33] gaskets, new camshafts, seals, crank

[53:35] seals, water pump, timing belt, all this

[53:37] stuff. Spark plugs. It was a big

[53:38] service. So this car is ready to roll.

[53:40] And it was a cool car. I know it's old

[53:42] and it's got miles and all that, but

[53:43] it's 4,600 bucks. And I'm reminded

[53:46] because every time we post some crazy

[53:48] result of some car with two miles, we

[53:51] get all these Instagram commenters being

[53:53] like, "The market is ruined."

[53:57] And it's like, "Yeah, this STI with two

[53:59] miles just sold for 150 grand." But

[54:01] there are still legitimate enthusiast

[54:04] cars sub 10. They have been hit. They

[54:06] have problems. They are not as fast as

[54:08] modern cars. Yes, all of that is true.

[54:10] There are cars out there though that you

[54:12] can have fun with sub 10K and they are

[54:15] on Cars and Bids. Boom.

[54:17] >> I had two more cars sub 10K on my watch

[54:19] list that ended this past week.

[54:21] >> Yeah.

[54:22] >> A 2002 Lincoln Blackwood.

[54:24] >> Yes.

[54:25] >> Reasonable miles, well-presented, 6,600

[54:27] bucks. Finding a pickup truck, a decent

[54:29] pickup truck for 6,600 bucks is hard

[54:32] enough on its own, yet alone like a

[54:34] full-size with a 5.4 L V8. Like, I'm

[54:37] into that. Like, at this point you could

[54:38] use this for your landscaping business

[54:40] or what have you, and like just be

[54:42] balling.

[54:43] >> a landscaper showing up with a

[54:45] Lincoln Blackwood?

[54:46] >> You'd absolutely love it.

[54:47] >> For six grand, you're basically just

[54:49] buying a super crew F-150. These were

[54:51] all two-wheel drive, but yes, I totally

[54:52] agree with your point. Absolutely.

[54:54] >> And then there was a a Range Rover

[54:56] actually uh that sold for $3,200. I

[54:59] mean, top-of-the-line British luxury

[55:02] vehicle.

[55:03] >> Okay, well, that's that's not a special.

[55:04] Range Rovers are always selling for

[55:06] $3,200 [laughter] and that doesn't

[55:08] surprise me. This This

[55:09] >> Uh one day you will see P38s are going

[55:12] to be the cream of the crop, the most

[55:13] expensive.

[55:14] >> buyer probably overpaid. Um however, the

[55:17] other cars, the other sub 10K cars are

[55:20] just a reminder. And then [snorts]

[55:21] people, whenever I talk about cheap

[55:23] deals in the market, people are like,

[55:24] "Yeah, but an S6 is going to blow up two

[55:26] seconds later." Listen, we're sub 10K.

[55:30] The cars are not going to be great cars.

[55:32] They're going to be cars that are fun

[55:34] and you you buy cheap and either you put

[55:36] money in and make them nice or you roll

[55:37] the dice. But nonetheless, there are in

[55:40] good enthusiast cars to be had at

[55:42] affordable price points on this site and

[55:44] elsewhere. And every time anything sells

[55:46] for crazy money, some super low mileage

[55:48] car, I just want people to remember that

[55:50] these cars are legitimately out there

[55:53] and legitimately cool. Period.

[55:55] >> And that argument that it could blow up

[55:57] applies to anything, right? You could be

[55:58] Stradman's Gallardo. There's a stop sale

[56:01] on Jeeps right Wranglers right now

[56:03] saying park them outside and don't drive

[56:05] them cuz they might burn to the ground.

[56:06] Like this applies to any car. There's an

[56:08] inherent risk when you buy a vehicle,

[56:10] especially an internal combustion engine

[56:12] vehicle, which literally has explosions

[56:13] every time you turn it on. That it might

[56:16] blow up.

[56:17] >> Such is life.

[56:17] >> Yeah, I mean I I I agree with that

[56:20] generally. I mean that's certainly what

[56:21] a used car salesman and an an auction

[56:23] website would say. Hey, anything could

[56:25] happen to anybody at any time. Those

[56:27] cars are obviously higher risk, but

[56:29] >> Who hasn't blown a motor or trans once

[56:31] in their life, you know?

[56:33] >> You're right. Who hasn't money shifted?

[56:34] I That

[56:35] That was always true though. Even when I

[56:37] was a kid, a $10,000 used car was always

[56:40] a bit of a gamble. Like they were not

[56:41] the cream of the crop. They were not

[56:42] nice stuff even back 20 years ago.

[56:45] Nonetheless, they are there. And if you

[56:47] have Oh, the car enthusiast market has

[56:50] passed me by. I can't afford anything.

[56:51] There's stuff there. There is still

[56:53] stuff. You may not be able to afford

[56:55] what you want, but there is still cool

[56:57] stuff at a at a reasonable price point.

[56:59] >> The Not only did the S6 have the V10 in

[57:02] that area, the S8 did as well. And those

[57:04] are also sub 10K gettable, which I mean

[57:07] just I mean so luxurious.

[57:09] >> Actually, I mean I think this car is a

[57:11] Tesla. This is 115,000. I mean like

[57:12] they're they're relatively I've been

[57:14] told they're relatively reliable. The

[57:15] engines are like solid. It's a lot of

[57:17] the other stuff that is a little bit

[57:18] more questionable surrounds it, but like

[57:20] the engine's pretty good. But

[57:21] >> I wouldn't want to take the gamble if my

[57:23] was spending my last $7,400

[57:26] on the car, right?

[57:27] >> I agree. But it But like, you know, it

[57:29] if you've got like

[57:31] there are exceptions you can make

[57:32] especially if you're an enthusiast who

[57:33] wants to work on the car and like learn

[57:34] all this stuff yourself. There are ways

[57:35] around There are ways to do it. I think

[57:37] it's cool that there are still cars out

[57:38] there like this and, you know, I'm I'm

[57:40] into it.

[57:40] >> Speaking Speaking of that vehicle,

[57:41] remember Mitchell Korman, he drove the

[57:43] Audi R8 to the Arctic Circle uh on

[57:45] YouTube and it went super viral. He just

[57:47] did that in a S8 V10. He drove it to

[57:50] Labrador, which is the most eastern

[57:52] point of North America, I believe. But

[57:55] like again, like I think he bought this

[57:57] car I think he said like well under sub

[57:58] 10. He had to do some work himself on it

[58:01] and it had some issues along the way,

[58:02] but again, just like how cool is that? I

[58:06] love it.

[58:06] >> Yeah, it's a lot cooler than a lot of

[58:07] other BS you're buying at that price

[58:09] point. Anyway, I'm I'm happy that those

[58:10] cars are still transacting there and and

[58:12] reminded every time anybody accuses us

[58:15] of oh you're running up the value on the

[58:16] STI's by selling super low mile. There's

[58:19] still good stuff out there. There's

[58:20] still stuff that sells affordably. It

[58:22] exists. It exists. You just I think I

[58:25] think people want to both be picky and

[58:27] be cheap. And that's just that's never

[58:30] >> Amen,

[58:30] >> brother.

[58:32] >> Right. But that's never been possible.

[58:34] >> Me and Felipe oh that that's our design

[58:36] brief.

[58:37] We came out of womb and our mother said

[58:39] let them be picky and cheap.

[58:41] >> [laughter]

[58:42] >> Oh lord. Uh the other thing is

[58:44] interesting I thought last week was the

[58:46] NSX. You see this, Kenan?

[58:48] >> Yeah, I did see that.

[58:51] This one.

[58:51] >> Nick, you into this?

[58:53] >> For 113 grand, that's what this white

[58:55] NSX sold for. 22,000 miles on it like uh

[58:58] That's a lot of performance for 113,000

[59:01] dollars. That's a really cool car.

[59:03] >> Yeah, and it's got HR E so Nick would

[59:05] like it. Nick, you like this thing? 113.

[59:07] >> I mean I

[59:08] as the only non-Porsche person on this

[59:10] podcast, I would take this over a new

[59:12] 911 any day.

[59:14] >> The only non-Porsche person, Nick, I got

[59:15] a Supra that you don't even accept

[59:18] because it's not European enough for

[59:20] you. You know, it's interesting there's

[59:21] levels of this, right? There's the

[59:23] Porsche people, then there's the Euro

[59:24] snobs. You get You all are those. That's

[59:27] it. That's what you are. And then

[59:29] there's Doug floating free with his

[59:30] elephant.

[59:32] Land of the plenty with many cars

[59:34] everywhere including a

[59:36] Jeep Wrangler.

[59:37] >> Yeah, when I think Doug DeMuro, I think

[59:38] man of the people

[59:40] and and [laughter] budget cars.

[59:42] >> That's not what I said. I said land of

[59:45] the plenty.

[59:46] >> Man pontificates from Nantucket about

[59:48] his Carrera GT making him not a Porsche

[59:50] man.

[59:51] >> No, that's but you're missing my point,

[59:52] Nick. You

[59:53] you're doing it willfully because you

[59:55] are such a deep Euro car snob.

[59:57] >> I am more likely to be seen in an Acura

[59:59] than you are, okay? I agree 113 the

[1:00:03] opportunity cost of that 113, the other

[1:00:05] cars you could buy at that price point,

[1:00:07] I don't think it look as compelling as

[1:00:09] that. They probably won't be as

[1:00:10] reliable. Like that is to me an exotic

[1:00:13] car for 113. Even the Gallardo's now you

[1:00:16] can barely get for 113 and that's going

[1:00:18] to be a terrible ownership experience

[1:00:20] compared to this if you're just looking

[1:00:21] at driving cars.

[1:00:22] >> seem to be bargains. I'm going to let

[1:00:23] you in on a little secret. We actually

[1:00:25] missed this in the top car segment. I

[1:00:26] have a little secret about Nick. Nick is

[1:00:29] looking for a new daily driver for his

[1:00:30] family.

[1:00:31] >> I am.

[1:00:32] >> Uh he's looking for a three-row sport

[1:00:34] utility vehicle.

[1:00:35] And uh I'm going to read a direct quote

[1:00:37] that Nick uh said to us.

[1:00:39] >> [laughter]

[1:00:40] >> No, I didn't. I I get in trouble every

[1:00:42] time that this podcast comes up. Please

[1:00:45] be careful.

[1:00:46] >> Man of the people Nick.

[1:00:48] >> Oh, no.

[1:00:49] >> He said uh his wife wants a three-row

[1:00:51] small three-row. We briefly discussed

[1:00:53] the Hyundai Santa Fe which is a

[1:00:54] three-row. And my wife said, "I can't go

[1:00:56] from a Porsche to a Kia."

[1:00:58] >> [laughter]

[1:00:59] >> Now, I got a couple problems with that.

[1:01:00] First off, this is it's a Hyundai. I

[1:01:02] don't even know where this came from.

[1:01:04] Second [laughter]

[1:01:05] >> They're kind of similar.

[1:01:06] >> his wife is the same level of elitists

[1:01:09] that Nick is. But then Nick also

[1:01:11] ended this very text by saying, "Which I

[1:01:14] respect." She can't go from a a Porsche

[1:01:16] to a Kia which I respect. [laughter]

[1:01:19] Anyway, all the choices that Nick sent

[1:01:20] to us were Euro, of course.

[1:01:23] Um, and I'm sitting there telling him,

[1:01:24] "Get a Sequoia. Get a Sequoia, really

[1:01:26] man of the people car." And he he

[1:01:29] We're not there. Sequoia's too big.

[1:01:32] It's I I I want the 4Runner. They do not

[1:01:34] make the 4Runner with a third row and

[1:01:36] the hybrid. They do make the 4Runner

[1:01:38] with a third row hybrid. It's called the

[1:01:39] Sequoia, baby. You want it all? I got

[1:01:42] it.

[1:01:42] >> Sequoia's too big and obnoxious, much

[1:01:44] like you.

[1:01:46] No offense. [laughter]

[1:01:48] >> You know, there are comments sometimes.

[1:01:50] People see us talking in their comments

[1:01:52] like, "Do you guys hate each other?" And

[1:01:54] I wonder [laughter] if

[1:01:54] >> Why do they think that?

[1:01:56] >> I wonder to myself like, do people not I

[1:01:59] do think there is I'm going to get on a

[1:02:00] little generational horse here. Do

[1:02:02] people not like

[1:02:04] chat? Like they're like it's very clear

[1:02:06] to me that it's none of us Not only do

[1:02:08] none of us mean the things that we say

[1:02:10] to each other, but none of us even

[1:02:11] remember once the podcast is over what

[1:02:13] we have said to one another.

[1:02:15] >> That's true. It's 100% true. It Funny

[1:02:17] enough, I have to watch on Friday to

[1:02:19] figure out who I need to apologize to

[1:02:21] later [laughter] in the day.

[1:02:23] The worst part is so I called Shawn

[1:02:24] accidentally. I was describing how the

[1:02:26] air suspension of my E55 didn't work

[1:02:28] well, and what I was trying to describe

[1:02:30] is we had six dudes in there, I I

[1:02:33] including Shawn in the trunk. And I

[1:02:35] accidentally said you're a He was a

[1:02:36] larger gentleman, which I I did I just

[1:02:38] meant compared to the children that

[1:02:39] would be in the back. So I was like,

[1:02:41] "Shawn, I'm so sorry. I I listened to

[1:02:42] the pod. I said that. I didn't mean it

[1:02:44] in the way that it came out." He didn't

[1:02:46] reply.

[1:02:47] And then I text [laughter] him again

[1:02:48] Saturday. I said, "I'm so sorry. Can we

[1:02:49] talk?" He he's out to lunch with Cannon

[1:02:52] and one other friend, and I wasn't

[1:02:54] invited. It was like a mile from my

[1:02:56] house. I'm like, "Oh my god, he's

[1:02:57] actually mad at me." I text [laughter]

[1:02:58] him again, "I'm so sorry." No reply. It

[1:03:01] was not till Wednesday that he text me

[1:03:03] saying, "Oh my god, I'm so sorry. I

[1:03:05] didn't see this. I meant to reply and

[1:03:07] didn't."

[1:03:07] >> Also, to be clear, we left Cars and

[1:03:09] Coffee, just went right there. It wasn't

[1:03:10] like an intentional I love that in your

[1:03:12] mind

[1:03:12] >> I spent a week thinking that Shawn was

[1:03:15] literally giving me the silent treatment

[1:03:17] cuz of like a comment that I made

[1:03:18] without thinking.

[1:03:19] >> Maybe Maybe there is.

[1:03:22] Sean, I'm sorry still.

[1:03:23] >> On the on the back on the subject of the

[1:03:24] Mark Report. And by the way, Nick, I

[1:03:25] wish you the best finding a Euro SUV for

[1:03:28] your family.

[1:03:29] >> You know, the Lincoln Aviator has a

[1:03:30] plug-in electric three-row, so we might

[1:03:34] consider American still.

[1:03:35] And I honestly think the Jeep Grand

[1:03:37] Cherokee would be our top candidate if

[1:03:39] it weren't for some reliability

[1:03:40] concerns, but I know you're going Jeep,

[1:03:42] so maybe

[1:03:43] >> In other words, he doesn't want to buy

[1:03:44] American. That's just something to think

[1:03:46] about.

[1:03:47] Uh go to the Kennan, go to the 340R.

[1:03:49] What did this What were What were you

[1:03:51] thinking it would sell for?

[1:03:53] >> I have no idea because it's not like

[1:03:54] they transact very often, and you talk

[1:03:56] about a niche. You really the 340R is so

[1:03:59] cool, but you have to [snorts] really

[1:04:02] want that driving experience. It don't

[1:04:03] have doors. You have to climb and stand

[1:04:04] on the seat and get in. It's a whole

[1:04:06] thing.

[1:04:06] >> pretty easy. It sold for what? 75?

[1:04:09] >> for 75 grand, which I think for $75,000,

[1:04:12] that is a really special unique driving

[1:04:14] experience, and I actually think I think

[1:04:16] it's a value, to be honest, but they

[1:04:17] just don't transact much cuz there

[1:04:18] haven't been many that been imported.

[1:04:19] There are only 340 of them. And so like

[1:04:22] this I think it's a good benchmark to

[1:04:23] start at. And I think, you know, again,

[1:04:26] this is a car you have as the fourth

[1:04:27] car. This is not a secondary sports car.

[1:04:30] You have to have some other stuff I

[1:04:31] think, you know, with like a roof.

[1:04:33] >> I will say though driving it was the

[1:04:35] experience was easier than I expected.

[1:04:38] Like it was actually a pretty easy car

[1:04:39] to drive. Once you get past all of the

[1:04:41] impracticality, like in terms of

[1:04:43] steering and and visibility, like it was

[1:04:45] a pretty unlike my Countach, which is

[1:04:47] like a hard car to get in and I you

[1:04:49] know, all that stuff. Like this was

[1:04:50] actually a pretty a pretty drivable car.

[1:04:52] I was kind of surprised by that. Um do

[1:04:55] you know that when I put up my video, a

[1:04:57] guy responded in the comments and said,

[1:04:59] I have one of the only four 340Rs that

[1:05:02] were sold new in North America. Lotus

[1:05:04] got some small volume exception and sold

[1:05:07] three of these things new in the United

[1:05:09] States. You believe that?

[1:05:10] >> No, I had no idea.

[1:05:11] >> no idea.

[1:05:13] >> Really? That is fascinating. Uh I mean,

[1:05:15] you talk about a car that could easily

[1:05:17] qualify for show or display based on its

[1:05:19] rarity and how special it looks.

[1:05:22] >> Maybe. I mean, I don't know.

[1:05:24] >> I figured, but I think it is cool as

[1:05:26] hell. And like, this is another one of

[1:05:27] the cars like I've just so excited to

[1:05:29] have on the site cuz 348 has been a

[1:05:31] legend forever. Um so, I don't know. I

[1:05:33] think it is a good result.

[1:05:35] >> Nick, you got 75 grand. Would you buy

[1:05:37] this or uh a TTRS

[1:05:40] with a

[1:05:41] manual or automatic transmission?

[1:05:43] >> I'm I'm hoping we we get a little better

[1:05:44] deal on the TTRS, but

[1:05:46] um you can still buy an Ariel Atom 4 and

[1:05:49] the MSRP is 83,750. So, in theory, like

[1:05:54] like this is going to be probably hold

[1:05:56] its value better, is a little bit more

[1:05:57] special, unique. I'm sure a new Ariel is

[1:06:00] is probably better than this, but

[1:06:02] >> It probably is, although I I I agree

[1:06:04] with that. It's an interesting point. Uh

[1:06:06] however, I would make the argument that

[1:06:08] once the once you are roofless,

[1:06:10] windowless doorless

[1:06:12] the experience

[1:06:13] >> [laughter]

[1:06:14] >> I'm not saying that this and a Polaris

[1:06:16] Slingshot are the same, but I am saying

[1:06:18] like

[1:06:20] the majority of what your experience is

[1:06:22] is related to the fact that you're open,

[1:06:25] rather than like the feel of the car, I

[1:06:28] think.

[1:06:28] >> Plus like things like panel gaps and

[1:06:29] like build quality kind of go out the

[1:06:31] door when you

[1:06:31] >> Even acceleration. Like you're joking,

[1:06:33] but like even acceleration. Like is it

[1:06:35] faster than an Ariel Atom? No.

[1:06:37] Once you're doing fast and you have no

[1:06:40] anything,

[1:06:41] >> Sure.

[1:06:42] >> it doesn't really matter. I drove an

[1:06:43] SP1, which is the same also with

[1:06:46] completely open car. I drove an Elva,

[1:06:47] and it's the same kind of thing, if I'm

[1:06:50] honest. And an Elva's like 3 mil.

[1:06:52] Same basic idea, to be frank.

[1:06:54] >> Yep.

[1:06:55] >> wind

[1:06:55] >> At that At that point, it's just about

[1:06:57] like rarity and how it looks when you

[1:06:58] park it. Because your your feel is

[1:07:01] roughly the same.

[1:07:03] >> [clears throat]

[1:07:03] >> I Having seen that car in in Cars and

[1:07:05] Bids dungeon for the last couple months.

[1:07:08] It It is something to look at, too. Like

[1:07:09] it just Yeah. It is so cool and the blue

[1:07:12] Alcantara on the inside really pops.

[1:07:14] Yeah. Um I I I think even if you didn't

[1:07:16] drive it a ton.

[1:07:17] >> that they made even less

[1:07:19] car You know, that's already in- insane.

[1:07:21] But I'm thrilled that we had it,

[1:07:23] thrilled that I got to drive it. It's a

[1:07:24] very cool car and I'm really glad I got

[1:07:25] to do a Quirks and Features video with

[1:07:27] it because it's really quirky and weird.

[1:07:28] The fact that that panel is like

[1:07:29] translucent, I mean the whole thing is

[1:07:31] just bizarre.

[1:07:31] >> It's so cool. I've just been told the

[1:07:32] car's going to the Bay Area. So, if you

[1:07:34] live in San Francisco, keep an eye open

[1:07:36] for a 348.

[1:07:37] >> Lopez? That is the Pacific Northwest.

[1:07:40] >> [laughter]

[1:07:40] >> Um

[1:07:41] They're They're both places he doesn't

[1:07:43] need air conditioning. All right. We got

[1:07:44] to move on to the questions. The

[1:07:46] questions are great this week. I only

[1:07:47] got through a few of them cuz they were

[1:07:48] so good. I just kind of put them in and

[1:07:50] they're great. And a lot of them, Nick,

[1:07:51] are really aimed at you. They're real

[1:07:54] deep Nick questions. By the way, is

[1:07:56] Filippo done? Does he not work for us

[1:07:57] anymore? Is he

[1:07:58] >> I don't know. He doesn't text us

[1:08:00] anymore. He's in Italy. Maybe he got

[1:08:01] kidnapped and there's some reason.

[1:08:03] >> I mean, am I paying for this trip? He's

[1:08:05] gone for months and months and months.

[1:08:08] What's going on?

[1:08:08] >> you what, without his presence we are

[1:08:09] all paying for this trip. I miss him

[1:08:11] dearly, so I can't wait for him to come

[1:08:13] back. I'm sure he will not listen to

[1:08:14] this podcast and, you know, I texted him

[1:08:16] the other day, no response. Texted him

[1:08:17] again, no response. Maybe I upset him.

[1:08:19] Maybe I said something.

[1:08:20] >> Maybe Maybe you did. Maybe we all did.

[1:08:22] Uh

[1:08:23] First question uh for Jacob from GN.

[1:08:25] Dear Doug and Play Group, so true.

[1:08:28] Uh why aren't modern Aston Martins more

[1:08:30] popular? They're beautiful and luxurious

[1:08:31] cars with great performance and they

[1:08:33] haven't destroyed the image like certain

[1:08:34] Italian car makers. He's referring to

[1:08:35] Ferrari and the ass luce.

[1:08:38] Uh so, why aren't Aston Martins more

[1:08:40] popular and worth more on the secondary

[1:08:42] market? It's an interesting question. Uh

[1:08:43] they've just never been.

[1:08:45] >> No, I think part of the brand is strong.

[1:08:47] >> The brand is strong, but I think that

[1:08:48] one of the things about them people are

[1:08:50] always perpetually concerned about is

[1:08:51] reliability. But the modern ones with

[1:08:53] the AMG engines, it's like

[1:08:55] >> But I would argue that a reason that the

[1:08:57] modern ones with the AMG engines have

[1:08:59] not been particularly strong is

[1:09:00] precisely because of that AMG engine.

[1:09:02] It's just not It's like I can get an AMG

[1:09:05] GT, you know?

[1:09:06] >> I think I think it's not even

[1:09:07] reliability, it's depreciation.

[1:09:08] >> That's the That was my next point is

[1:09:10] that like

[1:09:10] >> But that's his point. I think his point

[1:09:12] is why The question asker is asking why

[1:09:15] are those depreciating and other brands

[1:09:16] are not? Is what he's saying.

[1:09:17] >> the I think Ferrari just has like such

[1:09:20] brand cachet. Like it is so

[1:09:23] >> Aston Martin Aston Martin have his James

[1:09:25] Bond? If you go up to someone on the

[1:09:27] street

[1:09:28] >> James Bond is

[1:09:29] >> and you talk to them about Ferrari or

[1:09:29] Aston Martin, they hold them in similar

[1:09:31] regard like randoms,

[1:09:33] >> True, but like for us car enthusiasts

[1:09:34] like they're cool, but Ferraris are like

[1:09:38] your heart burns for that car. Like it's

[1:09:40] like that's the That was the conclusion.

[1:09:42] >> I agree with you completely and I think

[1:09:44] that is I think honestly emotional

[1:09:46] desire is a is a the primary reason. But

[1:09:49] I have to ask you, do you think that now

[1:09:52] that they've come out with the Valhalla

[1:09:54] and the Valkyrie and the Valour,

[1:09:57] do you have Has your opinion changed?

[1:10:01] >> I think that it's I respect them

[1:10:03] tremendously. I respect them a lot. I

[1:10:05] mean, you know, the fact they've gone to

[1:10:06] IMSA with an NA V12 and Le Mans with an

[1:10:08] NA V12. That's That's just badass. Like

[1:10:11] that I respect the hell out of that. And

[1:10:13] so like I certainly value the brand

[1:10:15] more, but I've always valued the brand

[1:10:16] like a lot. Like I plan after the Viper

[1:10:18] the next car I want is a Vanquish. An

[1:10:19] '05 Vanquish S. That's what I really

[1:10:21] want. Cuz I just I'll tell you what,

[1:10:22] like I've driven 575 Vanquish

[1:10:24] competitors back-to-back. The sound of

[1:10:26] the Vanquish, the looks, I I prefer a

[1:10:29] lot of aspects of that car to the 575.

[1:10:31] 575 is a better car and it does say

[1:10:33] Ferrari on it, but like the Aston is

[1:10:34] great, but I don't know. I value

[1:10:37] >> then? What's our Aston Martin problem?

[1:10:39] We don't love it

[1:10:39] >> definitely reliability, but um yeah, I

[1:10:42] don't I just think it's

[1:10:43] >> You don't think Ferraris are reliable?

[1:10:44] Ferrari values are strong even the

[1:10:46] really unreliable ones.

[1:10:48] >> That's [snorts] a fair point. Um I you

[1:10:50] know, I think that

[1:10:52] I also wonder if that they I don't know

[1:10:54] what production numbers are like between

[1:10:55] the two. If it just I There was just

[1:10:57] something Look at the months as I'm a

[1:10:58] little master making a Ferrari feel

[1:11:00] special in that era we grew up in.

[1:11:03] >> I think that when you that there's

[1:11:04] definitely a heritage component. There's

[1:11:06] definitely an emotional brand component.

[1:11:08] I also think that when you target luxury

[1:11:10] more than passion, luxury cars always

[1:11:14] depreciate and passion cars rarely

[1:11:16] depreciate as much. Um but I do think

[1:11:19] that Aston Martin is unfairly

[1:11:22] uh unfairly targeted in the car world. I

[1:11:26] think that their cars deserve to have

[1:11:27] stronger, especially cuz they still do a

[1:11:29] lot of manual cars. They still do a lot

[1:11:32] of actually pretty desirable enthusiast

[1:11:34] cars. I do think that a attainable

[1:11:37] mid-engine manual transmission car, an

[1:11:39] Audi R8 of the Aston Martin world, would

[1:11:42] really go a long way towards getting a

[1:11:44] lot of people interested in the a lot of

[1:11:46] real enthusiasts interested in the

[1:11:47] brand. And my sense is that they wanted

[1:11:49] to do that with both Valhalla and

[1:11:51] Valkyrie, and those cars both came in at

[1:11:53] a way too unattainable price point. And

[1:11:55] I think that if if I think that Aston

[1:11:57] maybe could have some effect on really

[1:11:59] getting into the sink your teeth into

[1:12:01] the enthusiast world while Porsche's off

[1:12:03] making automatic hybrids that you can't

[1:12:05] access the engine bay, and Ferrari's

[1:12:06] doing this the Luce, which is the worst

[1:12:08] thing ever. Aston maybe could go out and

[1:12:10] do that. And I wonder if if that's an

[1:12:12] opportunity that they should seize.

[1:12:13] >> Now's the time, Lawrence Stroll. Make it

[1:12:15] happen. This this is it.

[1:12:17] Um well, I I would personally love the

[1:12:19] brand. I hope to own There are a couple

[1:12:21] of Astons on my list I'd really like to

[1:12:23] own. You want to repeat?

[1:12:25] >> Yeah, but because they've depreciated

[1:12:27] heavily and are just hard to say no to.

[1:12:30] Yeah, and and in the whole Ferrari

[1:12:31] theory if if the road cars are good, the

[1:12:33] race cars stink and vice versa. I think

[1:12:35] Aston DNF'd or were last and second to

[1:12:38] last in the

[1:12:39] previous couple races, so

[1:12:41] they've got some hope. The road cars are

[1:12:43] improving.

[1:12:43] >> Formula 1 over at Aston Martin?

[1:12:45] >> Yeah, it's it's tough. It's

[1:12:46] >> It's a tough situation, yeah. Adrian

[1:12:48] Newey not happy, it sounds like over

[1:12:51] there. so.

[1:12:52] >> Yeah, it's bleak.

[1:12:53] >> I I now I think I think that

[1:12:54] appreciation thing is a hangover from

[1:12:56] the reliability of of previous cars and

[1:12:58] then I think it's you get rich, you buy

[1:13:00] a Ferrari or a Lambo. Like those are the

[1:13:02] two. So, this has to be like the fourth

[1:13:04] or fifth exotic car that you get before

[1:13:07] you kind of like checked the boxes that

[1:13:09] the rich guy go fast boxes.

[1:13:11] >> I was going to

[1:13:12] >> And I think that that holds them back a

[1:13:13] ton where it's like, okay, that the

[1:13:14] buyer pool of Aston's is really small

[1:13:16] where they're like tired of Ferrari's

[1:13:18] >> also is that Aston doesn't really want

[1:13:20] to go after the like really crazy fast

[1:13:23] exotic like that. I don't think they

[1:13:24] think they can play there. I think they

[1:13:25] think their space is the luxury exotic

[1:13:27] and by doing that you're sort of opening

[1:13:30] yourself up to that appreciation.

[1:13:31] >> latest projects, I think they're wrong.

[1:13:33] I think they could compete in that space

[1:13:34] and I think it would be pretty

[1:13:35] compelling. But, I will say when you

[1:13:37] look at Aston Martin on cars and bids,

[1:13:39] it is a sea of gray and

[1:13:42] black it's it's luxury cars.

[1:13:45] But, when you look at Ferrari, it is a

[1:13:46] sea of red exciting sports cars.

[1:13:49] >> There are some black and silver ones in

[1:13:50] there, too. But, like

[1:13:52] that the color palette alone tells you a

[1:13:55] lot like between you know, about like

[1:13:57] lighting your heart on fire.

[1:13:58] >> Your median price on that Aston Martin

[1:14:00] one is like 38 grand, too.

[1:14:02] >> Yep.

[1:14:02] >> Yep.

[1:14:03] >> Which again, the new cars you look at

[1:14:05] the values of the used cars and you say,

[1:14:06] oh, these cars don't hold their value

[1:14:07] and it becomes a self-fulfilling

[1:14:09] prophecy. But, um I I think if Aston

[1:14:11] Martin just stays in the game, they have

[1:14:13] a shot, too, because Jaguar's falling

[1:14:15] out. Like a couple of these brands go

[1:14:17] away and they have less competition.

[1:14:19] That's the other problem.

[1:14:20] >> Even in if you want a British sports

[1:14:21] car, all right, you've got Lotus, you've

[1:14:23] got McLaren, you've got had Jaguar. Like

[1:14:26] there there are plenty of options and I

[1:14:28] think if they were the only British

[1:14:30] sports car, that might give them some

[1:14:32] traction and they could really lean into

[1:14:34] the whole James Bond thing or what have

[1:14:36] you. But, I I think McLaren having their

[1:14:39] moment kind of took away the opportunity

[1:14:41] Aston had to be sort of the preeminent

[1:14:44] rich guy go fast out of out of Great

[1:14:46] Britain. And I think they don't want it.

[1:14:48] I think they want to be seen as more of

[1:14:49] a classy, luxurious, well-styled

[1:14:51] situation.

[1:14:53] Um but it has been interesting watching

[1:14:54] them come with these super high-end

[1:14:55] exotics and

[1:14:56] >> I love them.

[1:14:57] >> Yeah, same. Uh next question from Felipe

[1:15:01] Lotus. I see you guys like to sell your

[1:15:03] cars on Cars and Bids. We've all sold

[1:15:04] cars on Cars and Bids, but other than

[1:15:06] Felipe buying a GTI, you seem to find

[1:15:08] and purchase cars elsewhere. Should we

[1:15:10] get the impression it's great to sell on

[1:15:11] your site, but as a buyer it's best to

[1:15:13] look elsewhere or for a deal? Um

[1:15:16] If Nick bought a car on Cars and Bids

[1:15:17] And apparently tomorrow he's going to

[1:15:19] buy a TTRS.

[1:15:20] >> I've I've bid on a lot.

[1:15:22] >> I've Yeah, I've bid on I've bid on cars

[1:15:23] too that I genuinely went after and

[1:15:25] wanted. So it's

[1:15:26] >> I would argue though that it's not

[1:15:28] because we think it's a bad place to

[1:15:30] find a deal or a good car, whatever.

[1:15:32] It's more that we're very particular. I

[1:15:34] I

[1:15:34] I would love to buy a car on Cars and

[1:15:36] Bids. You know, I went out looking for a

[1:15:37] Supra. I wanted a red manual. You can't

[1:15:39] find that It's very uncommon to find the

[1:15:41] kind of stuff that we have started

[1:15:43] looking for basically anywhere. I mean,

[1:15:45] even Cannon with the Viper, he is pretty

[1:15:47] specific, right? There's a couple model

[1:15:49] years, no modifications, certain color,

[1:15:51] etc., etc. If you wait around If you If

[1:15:53] you are that specific, you it can be a

[1:15:56] while before a car like that comes up on

[1:15:58] Cars and Bids. And I find us to be a

[1:15:59] relatively impatient lot. And I also

[1:16:01] find us to be a lot that's willing to

[1:16:03] kind of change tack based on Nick

[1:16:05] especially, if if the wind blows a

[1:16:07] different way, hey, maybe there's a

[1:16:08] convertible Range Rover I can get, you

[1:16:10] know. [snorts]

[1:16:10] >> Well, I I think I

[1:16:12] I

[1:16:13] Not as a flex here, but

[1:16:15] for better or worse, we are now at a

[1:16:16] stage where cars tend to find us because

[1:16:19] of the podcast and other things. And so

[1:16:22] if you can get a a non-publicly

[1:16:24] transacted car that's really rare and

[1:16:26] you don't have to compete against others

[1:16:27] and someone just like, "Hey, I'm trying

[1:16:28] to like" Literally someone emailed me

[1:16:30] this week saying, "If you want to give

[1:16:32] up on your P38, I have a a G500 I will

[1:16:34] sell to you cheap." And it's like, yeah,

[1:16:36] if it if it went on Cars and Bids, he

[1:16:38] would get more money. If I If I I get a

[1:16:40] pocket deal here, like maybe that is

[1:16:42] like, "Yeah, I'm not." No, is what I

[1:16:44] told him, but like if cars find you, it

[1:16:46] it's kind of a nice thing to do.

[1:16:48] >> Nick, take that deal. You get out of

[1:16:50] your P38, which is trash, and you get

[1:16:51] into a G, which is great. They're great

[1:16:53] cars.

[1:16:54] >> But it's so great that Doug is going to

[1:16:55] get rid of his and never touch a G

[1:16:57] again, and it's the worst thing that's

[1:16:58] ever happened, and the tirade he went on

[1:17:00] the other day in our friend chat was

[1:17:02] rough. So, definitely get one of those.

[1:17:03] Shawn couldn't handle it, he couldn't

[1:17:04] handle it. Surely you can.

[1:17:05] >> My P38 now has a glove box.

[1:17:08] Um, it's it's pretty sorted.

[1:17:09] >> Luxury.

[1:17:10] >> What's sad about my G, Cammie, is that

[1:17:11] it's the last car that I is a holdover

[1:17:13] from before the Cars and Bids era.

[1:17:16] >> Uh-huh.

[1:17:17] >> I Ford GT The Ford GT is, you know,

[1:17:20] >> And so, if the G goes, there will just

[1:17:22] be that one car left.

[1:17:23] >> And the Ford GT, if the right heritage

[1:17:25] comes along, is not looking good for

[1:17:27] that one, either, so

[1:17:29] >> I Yeah, I really want a heritage now.

[1:17:31] I'm off white, I want a heritage. I'm

[1:17:33] not going to spend for it.

[1:17:34] >> I'm not that kind.

[1:17:35] >> See, the other corollary here is you all

[1:17:37] have a rule that you can't bid on a car

[1:17:39] on Cars and Bids unless it's no reserve,

[1:17:40] which does limit it, because not

[1:17:42] everyone runs no reserve. Cammie and I

[1:17:44] are now able to do whatever we want and

[1:17:46] go willy-nilly, but Doug, you you

[1:17:48] especially have to be careful on bidding

[1:17:50] on things, because seeing your username

[1:17:52] on an auction could sway the results.

[1:17:54] So, you got to like

[1:17:55] >> Yeah, I don't like to bid I don't like

[1:17:58] to bid

[1:17:59] because

[1:18:00] for that reason. I don't want and I

[1:18:02] don't want the seller then to be upset.

[1:18:04] I think that sometimes if people saw

[1:18:06] that they were bidding against me,

[1:18:07] either for financial reasons or because

[1:18:08] it's like the guy who owns the site, I'm

[1:18:10] going to defer to him, people might

[1:18:11] bail, and I don't want the seller then

[1:18:13] to be like, "Hey, you tanked my auction

[1:18:15] because you bid, and people didn't want

[1:18:17] to participate." And I don't even

[1:18:18] necessarily think that would be true,

[1:18:20] but I do think that's an argument that

[1:18:21] sellers could make, and it could be a

[1:18:22] real possibility. And so,

[1:18:25] I would prefer generally prefer not to

[1:18:28] buy on Cars and Bids if I can avoid it.

[1:18:30] I will say, there are some cars that

[1:18:31] have come up recently that I've been

[1:18:32] like,

[1:18:34] I'm I'm

[1:18:35] going to throw it all

[1:18:37] Forget it all. I'm going to do it.

[1:18:39] But I definitely don't want to be

[1:18:40] accused of meddling with the process and

[1:18:43] I think that that could be a legitimate

[1:18:45] accusation someone could throw against

[1:18:47] me if I'm bidding with my username for

[1:18:48] sure.

[1:18:49] >> I had that happen with a Z4 M Coupe I

[1:18:51] was bidding on on Hawaii. Actually you

[1:18:52] encouraged me to bid on and I started

[1:18:54] bidding on that car someone that was

[1:18:56] exactly what someone said they're like

[1:18:57] wait a minute. They said they realized

[1:18:58] like oh well he works for the site like

[1:19:00] I probably kick it and then they're like

[1:19:01] wait a minute. I'm just going to keep

[1:19:02] bidding and so the guy came back and he

[1:19:03] commented this and like then he just

[1:19:05] came back and kept bidding and that was

[1:19:06] the guy who ended up winning the car. It

[1:19:07] just went a little higher than I I

[1:19:08] wanted to but

[1:19:10] you're exact all the points you guys hit

[1:19:12] on are correct.

[1:19:13] >> Personally I think both of you are

[1:19:14] operating in an abundance of caution

[1:19:16] there. The more bidders the better if I

[1:19:18] were the seller but I respect that you

[1:19:20] guys have rules and boundaries and like

[1:19:22] want to avoid even the appearance of

[1:19:24] foul play. I think that's the right move

[1:19:26] but like personally if I ever run a car

[1:19:28] with an reserve you're welcome to bid on

[1:19:30] it Doug.

[1:19:32] >> I appreciate that that's beautiful.

[1:19:33] >> want the cars that Nick will have to

[1:19:35] offer.

[1:19:35] >> I do. I want cars that

[1:19:39] I want cars that were lesser versions of

[1:19:40] cars that I myself did previously own.

[1:19:42] >> Nick you should get a G Wagon for that

[1:19:44] reason. Go down my road again. Come on.

[1:19:47] >> Yeah big words from someone who just

[1:19:49] bought a 210 E55 Wagon.

[1:19:51] >> Nick you think about leasing a Wrangler

[1:19:53] too? You think about leasing a

[1:19:55] >> would get a Grand Cherokee for my E.

[1:19:57] They don't sell that anymore. All right

[1:19:59] next question from JB.

[1:20:03] >> [laughter]

[1:20:04] >> Someone wants to place an order. Oh it's

[1:20:05] open again. Here we go.

[1:20:08] >> From JB1016.

[1:20:10] You Doug can you talk about your

[1:20:11] feelings toward Volkswagen? It's a brand

[1:20:13] with a huge enthusiast following but

[1:20:14] you've only had one. I had a Mark 5 GTI

[1:20:16] and you can't seem to hide your contempt

[1:20:19] like calling a Volkswagen guy.

[1:20:21] I want to [snorts] be clear about this.

[1:20:23] I do not love

[1:20:27] I I don't love when an enthusiast is

[1:20:29] into to brand.

[1:20:31] If any brand,

[1:20:32] it's not my thing. I joke about our

[1:20:35] friend group, which is funny because we

[1:20:37] have incredibly diverse car tastes, but

[1:20:39] it's still not diverse enough for me.

[1:20:41] Like I like I like SUVs, pickup trucks,

[1:20:44] cars, sports cars, sedans, wagons,

[1:20:46] luxury. I like everything. And I do not

[1:20:50] identify well with people who are

[1:20:52] enthusiasts of one brand. And um

[1:20:55] Kamisa's Kamisa's got he's to say some

[1:20:58] Volkswagens and BMWs. That's I mean, I

[1:21:00] don't care. It's not like he can he

[1:21:01] should change cuz I told him to. I just

[1:21:03] for me personally, I like a a good

[1:21:05] variety of person. So Volkswagen guy is

[1:21:08] a derisive term for Kamisa, but if it

[1:21:09] was Honda, then I would say he's a Honda

[1:21:11] guy. You know, like I it's just not I

[1:21:14] just really believe that like a a true

[1:21:17] my my love of cars is like deep and pure

[1:21:20] and all-encompassing in a way that I I

[1:21:23] just don't get when people are singular

[1:21:25] brand people. That's that's that's my

[1:21:28] answer to that.

[1:21:29] >> I think I mean, yeah. Cuz I think the

[1:21:30] thing you you discount from that is if

[1:21:32] they grew up with a car, that's what

[1:21:33] they love, that's what they know, and so

[1:21:35] they've gotten deeper into that, and I

[1:21:36] respect that a lot. And honestly, also

[1:21:38] like to be people may not have the

[1:21:40] capacity you have to memorize every

[1:21:42] detail about every single car that's

[1:21:43] ever been built and like all like they

[1:21:45] they're just like there are things that,

[1:21:47] you know, either suit their needs or

[1:21:49] suit their tastes, and like I think

[1:21:50] that's fine.

[1:21:51] >> Well, yeah, but having 12 of the it's

[1:21:52] fine. Yeah, but having 12 of the I'm not

[1:21:54] wanting to move on. I just to it's not

[1:21:57] my thing, and it's not what And so I'm

[1:21:58] always going to whenever I have the

[1:22:00] whenever I meet someone or know someone

[1:22:01] who's who's had 10 of the something, I I

[1:22:04] I always am whenever they talk to me,

[1:22:05] I'm always taking a little bit of a

[1:22:08] have that bias in my mind. This person

[1:22:10] is talking as someone who is into this

[1:22:13] type of car, and I am not into any type

[1:22:15] of car.

[1:22:16] Um

[1:22:17] By the way, I grew up with a Mazda

[1:22:19] Tribute.

[1:22:21] >> Right.

[1:22:22] >> Congratulations.

[1:22:22] >> Congratulations.

[1:22:24] >> Three later.

[1:22:25] >> Yes. Yes.

[1:22:27] I just I you know

[1:22:27] >> It's not a Volkswagen. Just just for

[1:22:29] your awareness.

[1:22:30] >> Well, he was talking about cars people

[1:22:31] grew up with. What about the Ford Escape

[1:22:34] twin? What if you grew up with a Tribute

[1:22:35] Mariner

[1:22:38] or

[1:22:39] Escape?

[1:22:39] >> We I grew up with a first-gen first

[1:22:42] model year VW Touareg. Fantastic

[1:22:44] vehicle.

[1:22:46] Dealer might have bought it back with 18

[1:22:48] months later, but

[1:22:49] >> [laughter]

[1:22:49] >> it was lovely when it worked.

[1:22:51] Um I you know, I I made the mistake of

[1:22:53] doing that. I think

[1:22:55] I I was really into Audis. They become

[1:22:57] familiar. And then you like kind of you

[1:22:58] become part of like the guy is part of

[1:23:00] an Audi group. And then like all my

[1:23:01] friends had Audis. And like I see how

[1:23:03] you fall into that trap where you're

[1:23:05] just sort of like I'm going to stay with

[1:23:07] the four rings. And and honestly, they

[1:23:08] were all great cars.

[1:23:09] >> you got the scan tools. You you like you

[1:23:11] you are you

[1:23:12] >> VAG-COM tool alone was like just I I

[1:23:14] knew how to do all the mods. Like it was

[1:23:16] great. And and that does build some

[1:23:18] loyalty, much like flying an airline, I

[1:23:20] suppose. But I am really happy now that

[1:23:22] I've experienced more variety. And and

[1:23:24] sure, I will put an American car or a

[1:23:26] Japanese car on that list. Um if

[1:23:28] anything, just to try it. And if I don't

[1:23:29] like it, fine. I'll sell it.

[1:23:32] >> He's not going to do that, folks.

[1:23:33] >> No. He's going to buy another P38 Range

[1:23:35] Rover.

[1:23:36] >> Yes.

[1:23:36] >> Uh next question from This is a good

[1:23:39] question actually to ask with Filippo

[1:23:40] not here from Saab 95 or Saab 95.

[1:23:44] Uh Duder, what is the consensus on

[1:23:46] owning a Saab a Saab these days? Are

[1:23:49] they cool and unique or are they just a

[1:23:50] weird brand for eccentric people? It's

[1:23:53] an interesting question. There was a

[1:23:54] long time where they were cool and

[1:23:55] unique and kind of fun and quirky and

[1:23:57] but they've gotten so old now that it's

[1:23:59] gotten harder to like

[1:24:02] do it.

[1:24:03] >> What's

[1:24:03] to me, I respect even more. It means you

[1:24:06] really love and like

[1:24:07] >> extent, but like I do think it has also

[1:24:09] sussed out some of the quirky people who

[1:24:11] would have had them, you know, like when

[1:24:13] they weren't like like they always had

[1:24:14] this reputation being architects and

[1:24:16] designers drove Saabs. Now you have to

[1:24:18] be like a pretty legit like finding your

[1:24:21] own parts on eBay type of dude to make

[1:24:23] it work. And I still think it's cool. I

[1:24:25] still think they're special cars, but it

[1:24:27] definitely it's definitely become much

[1:24:29] more of a niche than it was. When I was

[1:24:31] a kid,

[1:24:32] Saabs were a different just another

[1:24:34] luxury brand like Audi. It's definitely

[1:24:36] gone in a different direction since

[1:24:38] they're they haven't existed in 15

[1:24:40] years.

[1:24:42] >> Man, it's been that long.

[1:24:43] >> You ever think about a Saab, Nick?

[1:24:45] >> Nope.

[1:24:46] I It is a deep Filippo car though. I

[1:24:48] mean like what you're describing,

[1:24:49] slightly contrarian, wants a deal

[1:24:53] >> Slightly.

[1:24:54] >> It it it it

[1:24:55] >> [laughter]

[1:24:55] >> it fits a certain type of person now and

[1:24:57] and then I don't think it's just sports

[1:24:59] car buyer. It's someone trying to make a

[1:25:01] a statement almost.

[1:25:03] >> [snorts]

[1:25:04] >> Uh next question, this one is for you,

[1:25:05] Nick, from Kelly Ace. Hello Doug and the

[1:25:07] gang, it seems several of you are in

[1:25:09] need of a new daily driver. Seeing as

[1:25:11] some of the more interesting electric

[1:25:12] cars have fallen into a more intriguing

[1:25:14] price point, is there a chance someone

[1:25:16] on the team will go electric? Nick, what

[1:25:17] about that? You're looking for a new

[1:25:18] family car. Uh have you thought about a

[1:25:21] used electric car at a good price?

[1:25:24] >> I I have.

[1:25:25] Um

[1:25:26] And and I I still love that idea. I'm

[1:25:28] not sure if my wife's on board. Um the

[1:25:30] ID Buzz is up there again cuz I'm

[1:25:32] looking for a people mover.

[1:25:34] >> Get a nice Euro car, why not?

[1:25:36] >> A Cross Turismo. Yes, a Euro car, of

[1:25:38] course.

[1:25:39] Uh what else did we look at? R1S. Um I'm

[1:25:41] still really into. You know, honestly,

[1:25:43] the Model X, as much as I'm not

[1:25:46] I hate those doors, but they're cheap,

[1:25:48] man. They are so cheap for just like a

[1:25:50] drop the kids off, but it's got to have

[1:25:52] three rows. Three row pure EVs is not a

[1:25:56] terribly popular or large segment, but I

[1:25:58] I think the R1S would be the top of my

[1:26:00] list. They haven't really depreciated as

[1:26:02] much as some of the others, and the ID

[1:26:04] Buzz is still too new. Like someone

[1:26:06] claimed that you could get them for like

[1:26:07] 30 or 40. I I can't find those. I can't

[1:26:10] replicate that.

[1:26:11] >> You have You can do it, but it's like a

[1:26:13] base base base base model that you

[1:26:15] probably don't want.

[1:26:16] >> So [clears throat] I

[1:26:17] >> want You want multicolor.

[1:26:18] >> We're almost there like if I if I were

[1:26:19] okay with the sedan, it would be the

[1:26:20] Audi RS e-tron.

[1:26:23] Um you can get those dirt cheap. They

[1:26:24] look amazing. It would be a great

[1:26:26] commuter.

[1:26:27] >> Those are great Euro car choices. Uh

[1:26:30] Kennen, have you ever thought about

[1:26:30] going [laughter] electric?

[1:26:32] >> Uh yeah, one of the electric cars that

[1:26:33] like really appealing is the Audi RS GT

[1:26:35] e-tron is or however it's

[1:26:38] >> I've heard of those. I've heard someone

[1:26:40] else recently tell me that those are

[1:26:42] desirable and appealing cars.

[1:26:44] >> [laughter]

[1:26:45] >> I think it is. I think it's one of the

[1:26:46] most attractive four-door

[1:26:48] >> He pulled He pulled a Nick and tuned out

[1:26:50] while I was talking and didn't know what

[1:26:51] you were saying.

[1:26:52] >> But that's like that for me is like

[1:26:53] >> Am I a woman? Are you going to take my

[1:26:55] ideas and claim them as your own now?

[1:26:56] >> Oh my god. All right, Nick. But no, I

[1:26:59] genuinely think that's like one of the

[1:27:01] only cars I can think of EVs that I'd

[1:27:03] actually like genuinely want to own.

[1:27:05] >> you in an i3 as a daily.

[1:27:07] >> So, i3 is another one. The only thing

[1:27:08] I'm really concerned about that with

[1:27:09] that is insurance because it's a carbon

[1:27:11] tub. So, if anything happens with that,

[1:27:12] my understanding

[1:27:13] >> Well, there's five brands that make

[1:27:14] them.

[1:27:15] >> You do is you don't insure it.

[1:27:16] Um I

[1:27:17] >> [laughter]

[1:27:17] >> Right. So, I don't know. That would be

[1:27:18] cool.

[1:27:20] >> I don't know about how you guys feel,

[1:27:21] but I was considering getting an Audi

[1:27:22] e-tron GT RS. I don't know how it's

[1:27:24] supposed to be said.

[1:27:25] >> [laughter]

[1:27:26] >> I completely tuned out cuz I was trying

[1:27:27] to think of any others that I liked and

[1:27:29] I it's like I

[1:27:30] There aren't that many like I don't

[1:27:32] know. I could It will happen one day

[1:27:33] when the Rivian R3 comes out. I really

[1:27:35] want one of those cuz I like that car a

[1:27:37] lot, but it doesn't exist yet.

[1:27:39] >> you this, people. I will buy an EV

[1:27:42] when Mercedes-Benz makes an E-Class

[1:27:44] station wagon electric.

[1:27:47] >> Okay.

[1:27:48] Yep.

[1:27:48] >> I could see you in a the

[1:27:50] Escalade IQ. You seem like the kind that

[1:27:52] want to flex in the drive pick up

[1:27:54] drive-thru.

[1:27:55] The kids pick up.

[1:27:56] >> You're giving me crap. You're over here

[1:27:57] trying to get a Model X with your doors.

[1:27:59] >> I'm a man of the people. I would be

[1:28:01] getting a Silverado RS work truck

[1:28:03] probably.

[1:28:03] >> And Nick, real question. If you got that

[1:28:05] Model X you're lusting after, would you

[1:28:07] get one of those we bought this before

[1:28:08] we knew Elon was crazy bumper stickers?

[1:28:10] >> 100%. His wife would make him do it.

[1:28:12] There's [laughter] no question.

[1:28:13] >> I wouldn't I wouldn't get it the doors

[1:28:15] alone are a deal killer on it. I'm just

[1:28:16] saying there there a deal if you just

[1:28:18] want like a SUV commuter.

[1:28:20] >> I will only get an electric. I would

[1:28:22] have bought an i5 electric wagon by the

[1:28:24] way.

[1:28:24] >> Oh, yeah.

[1:28:25] >> I want an electric. Now that we're

[1:28:26] having a third kid it's things are a

[1:28:27] little bit more challenging but

[1:28:29] I will get an electric e-class wagon.

[1:28:32] Give me feed me an electric e-class

[1:28:34] wagon and I will buy it. The

[1:28:37] the the world has learned that the only

[1:28:39] way I'll buy cars is if they're

[1:28:40] Mercedes-Benz e-classes. So if you want

[1:28:43] me to go into the next thing get me an

[1:28:45] e-class station wagon.

[1:28:46] >> have they have the electric G wagons

[1:28:48] come down at all in the used market?

[1:28:49] >> No, they have not but they will be at

[1:28:51] the end of that.

[1:28:52] >> Shockingly not that desirable. I wanted

[1:28:53] to two more questions. I wanted to two

[1:28:55] more questions two more questions. One

[1:28:56] is for Westland. It says question for

[1:28:58] Doug but this is really a question for

[1:28:59] Nick and Cannon. Dear Doug, who do you

[1:29:01] if anybody let drive your special cars?

[1:29:03] What are your criteria for making

[1:29:05] decisions? Does insurance limit anybody

[1:29:07] from driving your cars? Nick, have you

[1:29:09] ever driven anybody cars?

[1:29:11] >> Ford GT.

[1:29:11] >> Drove the Ford GT

[1:29:13] stalled it out and it's a car which

[1:29:17] >> in the world to drive.

[1:29:18] >> to both turn the key and push a button

[1:29:21] and I kept turning the key and nothing

[1:29:22] happened. I didn't see the button.

[1:29:24] >> It was

[1:29:24] >> So I I stalled out backing into a car

[1:29:26] show and then like everyone's staring at

[1:29:29] me and I'm just sitting there not able

[1:29:31] to turn it on and then I have to roll

[1:29:32] down the window and yell Doug, can you

[1:29:33] turn the car on please?

[1:29:34] >> Then then he opened the door which I

[1:29:36] getting into a parking spot. It's just

[1:29:38] it was a hard situation for us all to

[1:29:40] witness but

[1:29:41] >> And [laughter] and I got to drive your

[1:29:42] Countach very briefly picking it up from

[1:29:45] service for some reason you needed me to

[1:29:47] do that instead of

[1:29:49] flat betting it or finding something

[1:29:51] else. But I wanted the excuse to drive a

[1:29:52] Countach. It was a pretty special moment

[1:29:55] but those are the only two and oh, I

[1:29:57] drove your A-Class.

[1:29:58] That was pretty pretty neat.

[1:29:59] >> Nice.

[1:30:00] >> On a racetrack.

[1:30:01] >> Doug doesn't let me drive any of his

[1:30:02] cars. I've only driven two. I've driven

[1:30:04] the A-Class and the uh E450 all-terrain.

[1:30:07] That's it.

[1:30:08] >> Really?

[1:30:08] >> That's it.

[1:30:09] >> I don't I I a lot of people really

[1:30:11] >> the responsibility.

[1:30:12] >> A lot of people are cool with people

[1:30:14] driving their cars. I it makes me a

[1:30:16] little bit more nervous. It's hard My

[1:30:18] cars are hard to replace.

[1:30:19] >> Yeah.

[1:30:19] >> Um

[1:30:21] and there's some of them are a couple of

[1:30:22] them are really expensive. And I think

[1:30:24] that that's a real burden you put on

[1:30:26] someone. And I think that people are

[1:30:27] like, "Oh man, it's so cool you let your

[1:30:28] drive your car GT." Well, that's cool

[1:30:30] right up until it crashes and then it

[1:30:32] ends a friendship. And and more. I mean,

[1:30:35] there would there

[1:30:36] Can you write a check for that? Can I I

[1:30:37] like it it it's it's obviously it's

[1:30:39] insured, but like what what what does

[1:30:41] that mean? What happens next, you know?

[1:30:44] It's a it's an It's not a great scenario

[1:30:46] to be in and I just would rather not

[1:30:49] have it occur. Um I don't really have

[1:30:52] problems.

[1:30:53] >> Yeah. I'm pretty generous with lending

[1:30:54] my cars out.

[1:30:56] >> And Nick takes the opposite approach. He

[1:30:57] says, "Yeah, which is fine."

[1:30:59] >> let anyone drive my 993 Turbo. Does Does

[1:31:01] anyone want to

[1:31:02] Guys, do you do you want to drive my

[1:31:05] >> I would be down to take a spin and see

[1:31:06] how overvalued that car is.

[1:31:08] >> [laughter]

[1:31:10] >> I've offered that car to several of my

[1:31:11] friends and no one seems me particularly

[1:31:13] interested in driving the 993.

[1:31:14] >> I'm fine I

[1:31:15] Well, I love 993s.

[1:31:16] >> It's funny I I lent out my SLR to

[1:31:18] Braeden the other day. He was like, "Oh,

[1:31:20] I want to just take it out to this like

[1:31:21] car show." And I'm like, "Sure." And

[1:31:23] it's like at this boba place and there's

[1:31:26] like He sent me a picture there's like

[1:31:28] trance music and like neons and foam not

[1:31:31] foam machines, fog machines. And I'm

[1:31:33] like, "My god, when you said car show, I

[1:31:35] thought something totally different."

[1:31:37] >> That's the kind of show Braeden's going

[1:31:39] to go to. You got to know that going in.

[1:31:40] You What did you think he was going to

[1:31:42] take it to like a luxury goods show?

[1:31:44] Like Like it's going to be like high-end

[1:31:45] swag?

[1:31:46] >> I wasn't expecting a concour, but I just

[1:31:48] didn't think that like it would be like

[1:31:50] the bao buns crowd. Like I just sort of

[1:31:52] expected

[1:31:53] >> Braeden is our link to a world that we

[1:31:56] left behind. That's what you need to

[1:31:58] remember.

[1:31:59] >> It it was I think it was cool to see it

[1:32:01] there cuz it just looks so out of place

[1:32:03] on so many levels, but uh uh he had a

[1:32:05] good time and then he's like he's very

[1:32:06] careful. Like he text me, all right, I'm

[1:32:08] there, I'm returning, it's back safely,

[1:32:11] and then he wipes it down. Like they he

[1:32:12] runs a detailing shop, so I kind of get

[1:32:14] a free detail out of it, so it it works

[1:32:16] out great, but uh

[1:32:17] >> A lead finish off of uh off of uh

[1:32:20] Carrera GT

[1:32:21] >> And importantly, he he asked for

[1:32:23] permission every time and I give it to

[1:32:24] him, so like like if your shop is taking

[1:32:27] your car against your knowledge, that's

[1:32:28] one thing. If you're like, no, I would

[1:32:30] love that. He always gives me like

[1:32:31] really cool pictures he takes on his

[1:32:32] fancy camera. Like I'm pumped on it and

[1:32:35] I think it's so cool to let other people

[1:32:36] experience the cars.

[1:32:37] >> I agree.

[1:32:38] >> so much to him and for me it's like

[1:32:41] great. I don't care if you put on 3 mi

[1:32:43] driving it to a

[1:32:44] a boba tea place in Convoy Street.

[1:32:47] >> I I have to tell you my

[1:32:50] I am legitimately and truly sad that

[1:32:53] that my friends do not get to experience

[1:32:54] the Carrera GT. I truly believe that the

[1:32:57] Carrera GT, how I have it set up, is

[1:32:59] probably the greatest driving car that I

[1:33:00] have ever driven. I mean that with all

[1:33:02] the sincerity in my heart. And it is I I

[1:33:05] am sad that that that my friends and and

[1:33:08] people that I think really would

[1:33:09] appreciate it have like Sam has

[1:33:13] mid-engine boxer. I think that would be

[1:33:14] cool for him to have that experience. I

[1:33:16] think both of you would get a lot out of

[1:33:17] it. I really think it is special.

[1:33:19] >> Um I don't want it.

[1:33:20] >> the purchase is pretty grand.

[1:33:22] >> I don't want it. Yeah, it's like I have

[1:33:24] also no friends. I've driven Carrera GTs

[1:33:25] before, but like not yours that are the

[1:33:27] way it is.

[1:33:28] >> speed. He's driven it at high

[1:33:30] >> No, I obey the laws, of course. Tug, you

[1:33:32] what are you going to you're going out

[1:33:34] of going beyond the speed limit? Don't

[1:33:35] be ridiculous. I will say I have been

[1:33:37] lucky I mean I've ridden in the car when

[1:33:39] you have pushed it. So I like I get it.

[1:33:41] I just don't want them responsibility of

[1:33:43] a $2.5 million car.

[1:33:44] >> Everybody I've ever even intimated maybe

[1:33:46] driving that car is like I'd rather not.

[1:33:48] And I I agree. Like I don't like driving

[1:33:50] the cars for videos. If it wasn't for

[1:33:52] videos, I wouldn't drive a CLK GTR at an

[1:33:55] F It It seems really cool when you're

[1:33:57] 22. Oh man, you got to drive It's not

[1:34:00] all that cool when like life is real.

[1:34:02] >> [laughter]

[1:34:02] >> Yeah, exactly. Best part's handing in

[1:34:03] the keys back.

[1:34:04] >> that experience.

[1:34:05] >> That That is the beauty of having

[1:34:06] cheaper cars is then you don't question

[1:34:08] it. I lent out my P38 to someone for

[1:34:10] weeks cuz they totaled their car. Still

[1:34:12] has my Ford Focus, this guy. Um but I'm

[1:34:15] like cool, it's a great It's free

[1:34:16] parking. Um the Arnage I lent to Shawn

[1:34:19] and he took it up to LA. Like it is cool

[1:34:21] when you have cars that you're not

[1:34:22] precious about to do that, but that the

[1:34:24] nice cars you don't. The other corollary

[1:34:26] that I learned the hard way, I lent my

[1:34:27] Murcielago out to our good friend Matt.

[1:34:30] He loved it so much that he immediately

[1:34:32] started shopping for one. Couldn't find

[1:34:34] the right Murci, so he went into a

[1:34:36] Diablo. That Diablo then has had some

[1:34:38] mechanical issues and resulted in a

[1:34:40] major rebuild and I I carry some guilt

[1:34:43] that I kind of instigated this, right?

[1:34:45] Like I got him into with the idea of a

[1:34:48] roadster V12 Lamborghini. He then

[1:34:50] pursued it. He sent me that Diablo prior

[1:34:52] to buying it and was like, "Yeah, that

[1:34:53] looks cool." And it ended up being just

[1:34:56] a disaster to own and I'm like, I I was

[1:34:59] the the butterfly effect here that

[1:35:01] resulted in him needing to send his

[1:35:03] Diablo to Columbus, Ohio to get rebuilt.

[1:35:06] So, you do have to worry about that a

[1:35:07] little too.

[1:35:08] >> I I have to say, well, I take pride in

[1:35:10] that. Doug took one ride in my 355 and

[1:35:11] wanted a buzzy Italian car and bought

[1:35:13] the Countach, so

[1:35:14] >> That's exactly right. That is exactly

[1:35:16] right. That did happen.

[1:35:17] >> the other way. It can

[1:35:17] >> work the other way, but it it's it's and

[1:35:19] that was that was the greatest greatest

[1:35:22] the greatest

[1:35:23] physical possession that I owned is my

[1:35:25] my Lamborghini Countach. Uh last

[1:35:27] question from Coyote Queen TN. Coyote

[1:35:29] Queen TN, dear Doug and crew, we all

[1:35:31] know the famous story of Ford trying to

[1:35:32] buy Ferrari in '63, the deal collapsed,

[1:35:34] etc. But what if the deal had gone

[1:35:36] through? How do you think Ferrari would

[1:35:37] look today under the blue oval?

[1:35:38] Conversely, how do you think the world's

[1:35:39] most prestigious supercar brand would

[1:35:41] have changed Ford? You know, it's it's

[1:35:42] an interesting question, but we actually

[1:35:44] have some examples of what would have

[1:35:47] happened in the world.

[1:35:49] Um what's that?

[1:35:51] >> Premier Auto Group or they later in the

[1:35:53] world Ford bought Aston Martin and later

[1:35:56] in the world Lamborghini Chrysler bought

[1:35:57] Lamborghini. And um

[1:36:00] what happened in both cases was uh they

[1:36:03] sold them quick. And and I think that

[1:36:05] probably would have happened with Ford

[1:36:06] and Ferrari as well. I think they would

[1:36:08] have found it very difficult to own a

[1:36:10] brand that was half a world away in

[1:36:12] terms of time zones in an era before the

[1:36:14] internet and before

[1:36:16] ease of of you know, synergies and in in

[1:36:20] part sharing and construction. I think

[1:36:22] it would have been hard. Um, and I think

[1:36:24] honestly not much great would have come

[1:36:25] from it. My guess is Ford would have

[1:36:27] tried to make a couple of

[1:36:29] um more volume-oriented Ferrari models.

[1:36:33] It wouldn't have gone all that well and

[1:36:35] then they probably would have sold the

[1:36:37] company either at a small loss or a

[1:36:38] small gain, which is precisely what

[1:36:40] happened with Lamborghini and Chrysler

[1:36:41] and precisely what happened with Ford

[1:36:43] and Aston Martin. I don't think they

[1:36:44] would still own them. I don't think they

[1:36:45] would have owned them for very long. Um,

[1:36:48] honestly Maserati and Ferrari is also

[1:36:50] kind of a an example of this because FCA

[1:36:52] owned both brands. They did take

[1:36:54] Ferraris and turn them into Maseratis

[1:36:56] and in a way

[1:36:57] with some part sharing, some engine

[1:36:58] sharing etc.

[1:37:00] Um

[1:37:01] but

[1:37:02] it was it was never like this huge

[1:37:04] thing. Ferrari's back as its own company

[1:37:06] once again. Same kind of situation.

[1:37:08] That's that's my guess of what would

[1:37:09] have happened. I I don't think it's a

[1:37:11] great what if, honestly.

[1:37:13] >> I yeah, I agree wholeheartedly with

[1:37:14] everything you said. That's that's

[1:37:16] exactly how I feel about it. Instead it

[1:37:17] went to Fiat and

[1:37:19] you know, we got And you got the the

[1:37:21] that era of course. They they did

[1:37:22] because they kind of did that. They did

[1:37:23] start mass producing cars. Like the the

[1:37:25] Dino engine was shared with the Fiat

[1:37:26] Spider and then of course the 308 series

[1:37:28] came out.

[1:37:28] >> Relative to how they had been made

[1:37:30] before and honestly a lot I think a lot

[1:37:32] of Ferrari enthusiasts would argue that

[1:37:33] it was a good era and very beneficial

[1:37:35] for the company. I'm not sure Ford would

[1:37:37] have done it. I think someone needed to

[1:37:39] do it in order to take Ferrari to the

[1:37:40] next level and it was so done. And and

[1:37:43] probably Ford would have had some of

[1:37:44] that effect on Ferrari anyway, like Fiat

[1:37:46] did.

[1:37:47] >> True.

[1:37:48] >> The The other interesting thing to in

[1:37:49] that hypothetical though is not just

[1:37:51] there's no internet in different times

[1:37:53] zones. Culturally, they couldn't have

[1:37:54] been different, right? Like Ford was run

[1:37:56] a little bit at that era by suits and

[1:37:58] thinking of the business case and like

[1:38:00] Ferrari was very much race on Sunday and

[1:38:02] like the cars were sort of an

[1:38:03] afterthought.

[1:38:04] >> Totally. That's a good point. It would

[1:38:05] have been interesting I I Not a lot of

[1:38:07] cross-national things had happened by

[1:38:09] then. This was the '60s.

[1:38:11] Daimler-Chrysler was 30 years away, you

[1:38:13] know, there These these globe giant

[1:38:15] global mergers, you know, were were

[1:38:17] still long ways off. It certainly would

[1:38:19] have been among the earlier examples of

[1:38:21] such a thing. Ford and Volvo and GM and

[1:38:24] Saab and all that came a lot later when,

[1:38:26] you know, M&A became like kind of a

[1:38:28] bigger thing in that industry. And And

[1:38:29] it's all gone away now, by the way.

[1:38:31] These These brands have all kind of

[1:38:32] stopped doing that. Um but it would have

[1:38:35] been a culture a weird cultural shift,

[1:38:36] for sure. I I'm curious how they would

[1:38:38] have handled it. But my guess is not

[1:38:40] long, not much in terms of results and

[1:38:43] would have been a a private company.

[1:38:45] >> And it's again not that long later.

[1:38:47] >> Right. Instead, they went back to the

[1:38:48] ugly factory building the ugly cars and

[1:38:50] two and two years later beat Ferrari at

[1:38:51] Le Mans. So, you know, it's a great

[1:38:53] story. It's a wonderful story.

[1:38:55] >> Yep, and we have the Ford GT Heritage as

[1:38:57] a result.

[1:38:58] >> Well, that came much later. Actually, it

[1:39:00] wasn't two years. But anyway, you get

[1:39:01] the you get the idea.

[1:39:02] >> Uh I appreciate everybody watching.

[1:39:04] Nick, you got any final thoughts for us?

[1:39:06] Why don't you throw something out for

[1:39:07] us?

[1:39:07] >> Ooh.

[1:39:09] You know, you ask me this every time and

[1:39:11] you'd think I'd prepare something in

[1:39:13] advance.

[1:39:14] >> But that's Nick.

[1:39:15] >> Absolutely did not.

[1:39:16] >> He's Googling instead. Cannon, you got

[1:39:18] any final thoughts for us?

[1:39:19] >> Uh yes, unfortunately, I will not be

[1:39:20] here next week. I'm going back to Ohio

[1:39:22] for some family matters. Um but I But

[1:39:24] yes, none of It will be an interesting

[1:39:26] podcast next week.

[1:39:27] >> have a podcast next week. I've been

[1:39:29] trying to convince Sean to cancel next

[1:39:30] week's podcast. So, we'll see. That

[1:39:32] That's my grand dream for us. Uh but

[1:39:35] we'll see what happens.

[1:39:36] >> was told remote podcast next week, in

[1:39:37] which case I will be dialing in from the

[1:39:39] great state of Wyoming.

[1:39:41] I'm sure the internet connection will be

[1:39:43] wonderful out there. It'll be

[1:39:44] >> We got We got Starlink.

[1:39:46] >> Nick, Wyoming

[1:39:48] Nick, Wyoming was the first state to

[1:39:49] give women the right to vote.

[1:39:52] >> Didn't I know that?

[1:39:53] >> Okay. Uh goodbye, everyone. Thank you

[1:39:55] for watching our podcast. We really

[1:39:56] appreciate it. Absolute pleasure.

[1:39:58] >> Goodbye. [snorts]