Spider-Man Tom Holland Returning in Doomsday or Secret Wars? | Road to Doomsday

[00:00] You know, I have a reputation for

[00:01] spoiling certain things and I think the

[00:04] studios are keeping me from the the

[00:06] juicy details, but when I do get to

[00:09] grace that set, I'm so curious of like

[00:11] what does that mean for Peter? And I'm

[00:13] very excited about whatever it is that

[00:15] they're doing. [laughter] Yeah. Is Tom

[00:17] Holland going to be in Avengers Doomsday

[00:19] and Avengers Secret Wars? What lessons

[00:21] can we learn from his past three

[00:22] Spider-Man movies before Spider-Man

[00:24] Brand New Day and Avengers Doomsday? I'm

[00:26] Eric Boss and this is another episode of

[00:28] The Road to Doomsday. New Rockstar's

[00:30] Marvel Rewatch podcast leading up to

[00:32] Avengers Doomsday on December 18th. In

[00:34] this podcast, we are revisiting 2017

[00:36] Spider-Man Homecoming, 2019 Spider-Man

[00:38] Far From Home, and 2021 Spider-Man No

[00:40] Way Home. The third of which was

[00:41] certainly a critical world building

[00:43] block of the multiverse saga. And

[00:44] really, all three of which chart Peter's

[00:46] journey leading up to Brand New Day this

[00:48] summer. We are revisiting this trilogy

[00:50] in a great discussion between myself and

[00:52] special guest Brandon Bareric that I

[00:53] think you're really going to enjoy. and

[00:55] an announcement here. In the weeks

[00:56] leading up to Brand New Day on July

[00:58] 31st, [music] new rock stars will be

[00:59] revisiting Spider-Man Homecoming, Far

[01:01] From Home, and No Way Home with all new

[01:03] in-depth Easter egg breakdowns as well

[01:05] to uncover even newer visual details

[01:06] that we never spotted before and

[01:08] connections that will come full circle

[01:09] in Brand New Day and beyond. These three

[01:11] big videos will be coming to the channel

[01:12] weekly in July. And as we're announcing

[01:14] some future programming plans, here is

[01:16] our Road to Doomsday podcast July

[01:18] schedule. Mark your calendars, listen to

[01:20] your Peter Tingle, stop doing what guy

[01:21] in the chair Ned said he was doing in

[01:23] Homecoming and join us as we web swing

[01:26] down the road to Doomsday.

[01:28] And it feels like bringing a fresh face

[01:31] into the MCU.

[01:32] >> It really did feel like this was an

[01:33] interconnected world that was really

[01:35] confident and we wanted Spider-Man to be

[01:36] on that train.

[01:37] >> This is when Marvel cannot miss. [music]

[01:39] Everyone is buying what the MCU is

[01:41] selling and it's all good. This was the

[01:43] movie that proved that Endgame is not

[01:45] the end [music] of the Marvel story. It

[01:47] really felt like Marvel's actually doing

[01:49] this. We're going to have a proper

[01:50] Secret Wars. Okay, here's Eric and

[01:52] Brandon talking about the Spider-Man

[01:53] trilogy of the MCU. A trilogy that we

[01:56] larb to talk about

[01:58] >> and I lar you Brandon.

[02:00] >> I lar you, Eric.

[02:01] >> Uh yeah, Brandon's back and we're we're

[02:03] checking we're chatting about Spider-Man

[02:05] Homecoming, Spider-Man Far From Home,

[02:06] and Spider-Man No Way Home. Those three

[02:08] movies, three movies that are very

[02:09] important to revisit, not just in front

[02:10] of Spider-Man brand new day, but

[02:12] specifically the third of those movies

[02:14] opened up riffs into the multiverse.

[02:16] certain logic that could be applied to

[02:18] what's going to happen in Avengers

[02:19] Doomsday. The riffs could be similar if

[02:22] a purple glow uh goes through those

[02:24] cracks in the sky. We're going to be

[02:25] definitely wanting to revisit what

[02:27] Doctor Strange and Peter Parker cook up

[02:29] in Spider-Man Home uh No Way Home and uh

[02:31] and looking at how the two movies led up

[02:34] to that. Uh specifically Peter Parker's

[02:36] journey. Will Peter Parker will Tom

[02:38] Holland's Peter Parker be in Avengers

[02:39] Doomsday is a question we have to answer

[02:41] in this podcast,

[02:41] >> right? Cuz they're claiming he will not

[02:43] be there. We He did not get a chair. He

[02:45] didn't get a chair and no other

[02:47] indication. Um, you know, Chris Evans

[02:49] didn't get a chair either, but he's

[02:51] going to be in the movie.

[02:51] >> He was in the what? The Russos don't

[02:54] want to call him trailers, but the

[02:55] stories.

[02:56] >> The stories. Yeah. The weird teasers,

[02:58] the dreams, the stories, whatever the

[03:00] hell those were. Um, but but I I think

[03:03] once we see Spider-Man Brand New Day

[03:05] this summer, we'll have a clearer

[03:06] indication of whether he whether Tom

[03:08] Holland will come back in Doomsday or if

[03:10] we'll have to wait for Secret Wars. But

[03:11] I think either way, these three movies

[03:13] as a trilogy are very important to

[03:14] revisit for Doomsday. And you know, it's

[03:17] interesting to revisit these three uh

[03:20] Sony Marvel collaborations directed by

[03:22] John Watts because I think it's

[03:25] unfortunate that all the great stuff

[03:27] that Dustin Daniel Cretton is doing for

[03:28] A Brand New Day is, you know, recoloring

[03:31] people's memories for these three movies

[03:33] as like lesser, as like John Watts had

[03:36] to cut some corners, that he didn't get

[03:38] the the swinging right, that the suit

[03:40] was too Iron Manized in these three

[03:42] movies. But I think these three movies

[03:44] are really great. Even Far From Home, I

[03:47] think all three of them are really fun

[03:48] to revisit.

[03:50] >> It is very fun. And I think Jake

[03:51] Gyllenhaal is so great as Mysterio and

[03:53] that's like such a fun story. Uh the the

[03:56] reveal the first time and then

[03:57] rewatching it uh and knowing what's

[04:00] going on uh kind of seeing it all

[04:02] happen. You know, I've I've made my

[04:03] critiques of this trilogy. I you know, I

[04:05] was always like annoyed that there

[04:07] wasn't more swinging around New York

[04:09] City. I missed that. But one you bring

[04:11] up the suit. I kind of love that this

[04:13] movie explains how Spider-Man has such a

[04:15] nice suit. You know, when you're

[04:16] watching the Toby Spider-Man, Spider-Man

[04:19] one, and it's just like he's doing

[04:20] little drawings and then all of a sudden

[04:22] he has a studio quality Spider-Man suit.

[04:24] It's like, where did this come from?

[04:26] Like, how did he make this uh in Aunt

[04:29] May's house with a sewing machine, you

[04:31] know? So, I kind of that was a fun thing

[04:33] about this trilogy that it kind of

[04:35] explained how this young man in New York

[04:38] City with no money was able to get a

[04:40] cool looking suit and build these web

[04:42] shooters and do all that. And it's a fun

[04:44] it's a it's a new take on the Spider-Man

[04:46] origin that kind of takes three movies

[04:48] to do his origin story instead of just

[04:51] cramming it into the first 20 minutes of

[04:52] the first movie.

[04:53] >> Yeah, it's interesting. Brand New Day

[04:55] being described as like um kind of a

[04:57] proper Spider-Man story almost like a

[04:59] Spider-Man phase one. you know, um, but

[05:02] it it I think it's also cool to look at

[05:04] this these three movies as like not just

[05:07] a a pre canon event death Spider-Man

[05:10] story, but one that also really does a

[05:12] good job um, showing what a kid

[05:15] Spider-Man looks like, someone who's

[05:17] still in high school and is living

[05:19] through the rights of passage that a

[05:20] high school student does and a kid in

[05:23] Queens, right? Uh, I think we got to

[05:25] remember that Spider-Man Homecoming was

[05:27] trying to fix things about the Toby era,

[05:30] the Andrew era that were missing,

[05:32] showing him as a neighborhood, a

[05:34] friendly neighborhood Queens Spider-Man.

[05:36] Uh, a kid who is uh having to stuff his

[05:40] backpack in it or his suit in his

[05:41] backpack uh with web shooters that break

[05:44] sometimes. Um, and a kid who is aspiring

[05:46] to be part of the Avengers, right? The

[05:48] other two eras of Spider-Man had no

[05:50] Avengers in their world. Yeah, this is a

[05:51] kid who, you know, it's been explained,

[05:53] was at the Stark Expo when Whiplash

[05:56] showed up and started making things

[05:57] crazy. Like, this is a kid growing up

[05:59] thinking, I want to be a superhero. And

[06:00] I have examples of that. You know, it's

[06:02] like kids now who want to be YouTubers.

[06:04] Don't do it, children.

[06:04] >> It's not worth it. It's more work than

[06:06] you think. Just get a nice 9 toive job.

[06:09] >> But Toby and Andrew Spider-Man, they had

[06:11] no examples of what superheroes were.

[06:13] This kid does. And in the first movie,

[06:15] he's, you know, kind of telling Ned,

[06:16] "Yeah, I'm an Avenger." You know what I

[06:17] mean? And it's like he's too big for his

[06:19] britches and he has to learn how to be a

[06:21] friendly neighborhood Spider-Man. Uh

[06:23] which I think is very important to

[06:25] building this version of Peter Parker in

[06:27] the MCU.

[06:28] >> Yeah. So, let's revisit these titles one

[06:30] by one. What happens in them? What uh

[06:32] things might happen in them that could

[06:34] come back in Doomsday or Secret Wars?

[06:36] And like interesting facts about how

[06:37] they were made that we're now only

[06:38] learning now that these people are

[06:41] revisiting them ahead of Brand New Day.

[06:43] So, starting with 2017's Spider-Man

[06:46] Homecoming. This was kind of group

[06:47] written. You had uh John Francis Daly

[06:49] and uh John Watts, the director, uh with

[06:52] Christopher Ford and Chris McKenna and

[06:54] Eric Summers. And McKenna and Summers

[06:55] would be the two screenwriters who would

[06:57] kind of take this franchise in the

[06:58] sequels. Uh but you had people from like

[07:00] the freaks and geeks generation of

[07:02] people who were kind of helping craft

[07:04] this story, which I find very

[07:05] interesting. You can see that in some of

[07:06] the high school humor, the kind of

[07:08] losers table that these characters

[07:10] occupy. Um so it was released on July

[07:12] 7th, 2017. This was a year after we saw

[07:15] Tom Holland show up in Captain America:

[07:16] Civil War, something we talked about

[07:18] earlier this month on the Road to

[07:19] Doomsday. So, we kind of already had a

[07:21] sense of how he fit in with the world of

[07:22] the Avengers, but we got to see him more

[07:24] focused with Tony Stark in this movie.

[07:26] So, Homecoming actually opens back in

[07:28] the aftermath of the Battle of New York

[07:30] in 2012. Adrien Tombs, played by Michael

[07:32] Keaton, is leading leading a salvage

[07:34] operation um in Grand Central Station,

[07:36] but the DODC comes in uh with that woman

[07:39] from Jud Gene Amy. You remember her?

[07:41] She's great. The whole audience loves

[07:43] judging Amy. I think

[07:45] >> I did.

[07:45] >> She was great. She's a great member of

[07:47] the DODC.

[07:48] >> She comes in, boots him off the project.

[07:50] And then eight years later, one of the

[07:53] biggest plot holes in the MCU ever.

[07:55] >> Kevin Feige just sitting at the premiere

[07:56] going.

[07:59] >> Um, so now we're caught up. We don't

[08:00] really know what exactly the time gap

[08:02] was because we're not in 2020 at this

[08:04] point. It does make sense.

[08:05] >> Well, I think at this time the MCU was

[08:06] still kind of sticking with the release

[08:08] year. So, we're probably around 2017.

[08:13] >> That makes the most sense.

[08:14] >> I mean, it was July 2017. We didn't know

[08:17] like a year later we'd be in a blip

[08:18] during at this point in the MCU

[08:19] timeline. I think they were thinking

[08:20] that was in 2008 and not in 2012. I

[08:23] think that's what the issue is. Crazy

[08:25] that they still haven't fixed it in

[08:26] Disney Plus patches.

[08:27] >> Literally, I mean, we'll get to it, but

[08:29] the end of No Way Home, they cover up

[08:32] Aunt May's tombstone so you can't see

[08:34] the dates. And it's like, can someone

[08:36] just be in charge of this? But in the

[08:38] trailer, in the trailer for Brand New

[08:39] Day, they do show it was 2024 when she

[08:41] died. Um, but either way, we're now it's

[08:43] definitely 2016. Um, we're at Midtown

[08:45] Science High School where Peter Parker,

[08:47] Spider-Man played by Tom Holland, is

[08:48] still riding high after fighting in

[08:50] Captain America: Civil War as part of

[08:51] his internship with Tony Stark. He wants

[08:54] to be a full-time Avenger, but Tony says

[08:55] he isn't ready. Um, Happy Hogan, John

[08:58] Fabro, is also back. He's very

[08:59] dismissive of Peter's superhero sized

[09:02] aspirations. But one night, Peter stops

[09:04] a group of criminals robbing an ATM

[09:05] using some exotic weaponry that seems to

[09:07] be based on Chitauri tech. Uh he latches

[09:10] on to and he finds and shuts down the

[09:13] source of these weapons on his way to

[09:14] prove that he's meant to be a superhero.

[09:16] He has to ditch his friend Ned, played

[09:18] by Jacob Battalon, at a house party, uh

[09:20] where, you know, mean old Flash Thompson

[09:23] has called him penis Parker, right? Um

[09:25] he's off to investigate this weird

[09:26] explosion and ends up um chasing a few

[09:29] of Adrien Tomb's crew who were selling

[09:32] exotic weapons through these suburb um

[09:35] backyards. Yeah.

[09:36] >> Um it's kind of fun to see Peter Parker

[09:38] in a suburb. I don't think we had ever

[09:40] really seen that.

[09:40] >> I mean, these movies found fun ways to

[09:42] take Peter out of swinging around New

[09:44] York, which you know is fun and it's

[09:47] like changing up the game from what

[09:48] we've already seen. We just wanted a

[09:49] little more New York web swinging, you

[09:51] know,

[09:51] >> a little bit. But we got to see at least

[09:52] Queens. We got to see an elevated train

[09:54] line in Queens. We got to see him hiding

[09:56] his backpack behind a dumpster.

[09:58] >> He's stopping a bicycle thief. He's

[10:00] helping an old lady. Like the important

[10:01] things that Spider-Man needs to do.

[10:03] >> You got Zach Cherry there saying, "Do a

[10:04] flip." You got Stanley sticking his head

[10:06] out of a window, flirting with a

[10:08] neighbor. There's enough there's a

[10:10] different side of New York that we just

[10:11] haven't seen delivered in in any

[10:13] Spider-Man movie up until this, which is

[10:14] really nice.

[10:14] >> Very charming.

[10:15] >> Yeah. Um, but as he's chasing Adrien

[10:18] Tomb's goons that include Donald Glover,

[10:20] let's not forget

[10:21] >> given that given that Prowler voice

[10:23] doing the a very deep voice.

[10:25] >> Yeah. Logan Marshall Green, Bohem

[10:27] Woodbine is there. All these people that

[10:29] we thought were going to be bigger

[10:30] villains in the movie.

[10:31] >> Hey, Shocker could come back at any

[10:32] moment.

[10:33] >> Oh, I hope he does. Um, Peter ends up

[10:35] nearly drowned in a lake by Tombs

[10:37] himself from his vulture regalia. Um, a

[10:40] hollow Iron Man suit comes to rescue

[10:41] comes to the rescue. and Tony who's at a

[10:44] wedding in India. Um maybe Kingo's uh

[10:47] wedding. We never really find out who.

[10:49] No, it's not his. Uh but he kind of

[10:51] remotely chides Peter for being in over

[10:53] his head, but a tracking device on one

[10:55] of Tomb's crew leads Peter to Baltimore

[10:57] under the cover of joining his academic

[10:59] decathlon team on a trip to Washington

[11:01] DC. Ned and Peter hack into his suit to

[11:03] remove one of Stark's training wheels

[11:05] protocols and take out a tracking

[11:07] device. So Peter tries to stop Tombs

[11:09] from stealing the trickeen salvage from

[11:11] the DoDC truck. but winds up trapped

[11:13] inside of a secure DODCH facility and

[11:15] misses his decathlon in DC. Uh worse, he

[11:18] realizes that a power core from one of

[11:20] the weapons that he and Ned had been

[11:21] studying is basically a ticking time

[11:23] bomb. The core explodes while Ned and

[11:25] the Decathlon team including Zindea MJ

[11:28] are visiting the Washington Monument. Uh

[11:31] one of the first times the Washington

[11:32] Monument is damaged in the MCU later by

[11:35] Red Hulk. Uh, but Peter arrives in the

[11:38] nick of time, is able to rescue

[11:39] everybody, including Liz Laura Harrier,

[11:43] uh, who he's been crushing on this

[11:44] entire movie. When Peter gets back to

[11:46] New York, he figures out that a weapons

[11:48] deal will go down on the Staten Island

[11:49] Ferry. Peter intervenes and then Tombs

[11:52] intervenes. Peter's intervening.

[11:53] [laughter]

[11:54] Uh, and it's in this point where Matt

[11:56] Gargan, played by Michael Mando, uh,

[11:59] gets thrown overboard. He's going to

[12:01] come back in Brand New Day. Uh, I really

[12:03] slammed my arm on the table just now.

[12:05] You're ready for scoring.

[12:07] >> The set's about to fall over. Um, but a

[12:09] malfunction weapon cuts the ferry in

[12:11] half. Luckily, Iron Man helps out as

[12:13] well. And they're able to stitch it back

[12:15] together. But basically, Peter gets his

[12:18] suit taken away. If you're

[12:20] >> What's the line? If you can't work the

[12:22] suit, you don't get to be the guy.

[12:24] Something

[12:25] >> something along those lines.

[12:26] >> I swear I did re-watch the movie,

[12:28] [laughter] but I rewatched lots of

[12:29] >> three Spider-Man movies to watch.

[12:31] >> Yeah. Uh, but it is one of the great

[12:33] moments in this movie. Uh, Iron Man, uh,

[12:35] Tony Stark, uh, Robert Downey Jr. got

[12:37] paid quite a bit of money to be in this

[12:39] movie.

[12:39] >> Well, and this set the precedent, right?

[12:41] Because this is a Sony Marvel double

[12:43] joint. You know, you you get one MCU

[12:46] character or a couple I mean, Happy

[12:48] Hogan's there, too, but one MCU hero

[12:50] will show up in a Spider-Man movie as

[12:52] part of the trade for using Spider-Man

[12:54] and Avengers movies.

[12:55] >> Yeah. So, um, so now Peter in the middle

[12:58] of the movie is refocusing on just being

[13:00] a good high school student. He's able to

[13:01] ask Liz to homecoming. She says yes, but

[13:03] when Peter goes to pick her up, take her

[13:05] to the dance. One of the greatest twists

[13:06] of the MCU.

[13:07] >> A great twist.

[13:08] >> Answering the door is Adrien Tombs

[13:10] herself. Yes, he is Liz's father. And

[13:13] from the car ride, he's able to kind of

[13:15] deduce that this kid, this kid who's

[13:17] sweating bullets in the back seat is

[13:19] probably that same kid.

[13:20] >> I mean, what a great use of Michael

[13:21] Keaton. What a great use. Great villain.

[13:24] >> He's never been more terrifying.

[13:25] >> No,

[13:26] >> he's really great.

[13:27] >> The red light, green light on his face,

[13:28] looking through the rearview mirror.

[13:29] when he fries, you know, he fries one of

[13:31] his henchmen and he's like, "I thought

[13:32] that was a gravity gun." I don't know.

[13:34] >> Whoopsy daisy.

[13:35] >> Whoopsy doopsy. [laughter]

[13:37] >> So Adrien tells Peter to back off, but

[13:39] Peter doesn't. Instead, he ditches Liz

[13:41] at the dance

[13:42] >> and foiling an attempted heist by Tombs

[13:45] on a cargo jet full of valuable Stark

[13:47] tech from Stark Tower as they're

[13:48] relocating from Avengers Tower to

[13:50] upstate New York.

[13:51] >> Yes, this established that uh Tony had

[13:53] sold the tower. a mystery. They that

[13:56] made a lot of New Rockstars videos,

[13:58] >> a lot of videos that would not get

[14:00] resolved until Thunderbolts.

[14:01] Thunderbolts. Yeah. Uh so Tombs ends up

[14:03] apprehended. Tony sufficiently impressed

[14:05] and formally invites Peter to join the

[14:06] Avengers, which Peter respectfully

[14:08] declines despite getting a badass Iron

[14:10] Spider suit offered to him. Uh Gwyneth

[14:12] Paltro shows up, did not remember that

[14:14] she was in this about the se Well, I

[14:16] mean to they must have shot this as part

[14:17] of another movie, right? This wasn't

[14:20] another day they bring. probably

[14:21] shooting this around the same time they

[14:22] were shooting Avengers Infinity War. And

[14:25] she's like, "Okay, I just did an extra

[14:26] day for that Infinity War shoot. I

[14:28] didn't know that was for that movie."

[14:29] >> Who who could know?

[14:30] >> Uh, but the movie ends with Peter back

[14:32] in his classic Spider-Man suit in his

[14:35] bedroom where um Aunt May walks in and

[14:37] goes, "What the?"

[14:39] >> And uh yeah, Marissa Toé gets the what

[14:41] the ends up also being the final line of

[14:43] Spider-Man Far From Home after. Another

[14:45] another thing this trilogy did really

[14:46] well where you know the the especially

[14:49] the Toby Spider-Man was all about like

[14:50] keeping his identity from everybody.

[14:52] This movie like each movie more people

[14:55] get to know that he's Spider-Man

[14:57] ultimately leading to the problem uh and

[14:59] No Way Home which is like again I like I

[15:01] love that this trilogy kind of didn't

[15:04] follow the formula of the two

[15:05] Spider-Man, you know, franchises we

[15:07] already had and we got to skip past it.

[15:09] it. You know, it's very much like when

[15:12] they finally realize like we don't need

[15:13] a Batman origin story in every Batman

[15:15] movie. You know, we don't got to see the

[15:17] Waynees get shot in the alleyway and the

[15:18] pearls go flying. Like, we get it. We

[15:20] know what happens. We all are clear on

[15:22] it. Let's just get to the fun stuff.

[15:24] >> Yeah. There's a lot of um you know,

[15:26] hints at the backstory there. There was

[15:28] a spider that bit Peter, but all all

[15:30] Peter says to Ned is the spider's dead.

[15:33] >> We don't [clears throat] meet an Uncle

[15:35] Ben, but there is a dead Uncle Ben in

[15:37] the past of this character.

[15:38] >> Yeah. We see the suitcase in Far From

[15:40] Home has Uncle Ben's initials on it.

[15:42] >> EFP. But we we learn later from the

[15:44] Russo brothers just in the past month or

[15:46] two that like in their mind, Uncle Ben,

[15:49] Uncle Ben's death was not Peter's fault,

[15:51] right?

[15:51] >> That it was through some other kind of

[15:53] incident that happened that to where

[15:54] Peter doesn't kick himself for that. Um

[15:56] that I guess in the lore of the Tom

[15:58] Holland version of Peter Parker, it is

[16:00] Aunt May's death that is the with great

[16:01] power, with great responsibility cannon

[16:03] event that inspires him,

[16:05] >> which is fair. And you know there civil

[16:06] war they kind of had that mysterious

[16:08] line of like when the bad things happen

[16:10] and you don't do something you know and

[16:13] everyone thought that was he was

[16:15] referring to as Ben but this is also a

[16:17] kid who grew up and lived through the

[16:19] battle of New York. So in his mind and

[16:21] he's he again he has examples of heroes

[16:23] out there. So you know I think that's

[16:25] enough in his mind to be like I've been

[16:27] given this power and everyone else in

[16:29] our world who's given a power is using

[16:31] it for good so I should be doing that

[16:33] too.

[16:34] >> Yeah. Um, I I really like Spider-Man

[16:36] Homecoming. It's It's fun to revisit it

[16:38] because I think it's reflective of like

[16:39] the high that the MCU was on in the

[16:41] later Infinity Saga movies. Um, like it

[16:45] really did feel like this was an

[16:46] interconnected world that was really

[16:48] confident and we wanted Spider-Man to be

[16:49] on that train at the speed it was

[16:51] moving. So, it was really effective that

[16:53] John Watts was able to make this movie

[16:55] that felt like a uniquely small

[16:57] Spider-Man story. It really did feel

[16:58] like a friendly neighborhood movie. It

[17:00] felt like a true homecoming for the

[17:01] character because it was so awesome to

[17:04] just have Spider-Man home in the MCU.

[17:06] Like we look back on it and kind of roll

[17:08] our eyes that Peter had to immediately

[17:09] get Iron Manized with this like overly

[17:12] powerful suit. But we forget that in

[17:13] that movie. The movie even judges Peter

[17:15] for having too much technology in the

[17:18] movie and it ends with him not having

[17:20] that um that much technology and we have

[17:22] to see him fight in the final fight with

[17:24] his homemade suit.

[17:25] >> Yeah.

[17:26] >> And I I love that about

[17:27] >> I love that suit too. It's great. That's

[17:29] what you expect Spider-Man to have,

[17:31] right? Toby had it for a little bit at

[17:33] the very beginning of his movie, but

[17:34] like it is nice that that kind of like

[17:37] ties him to his origins in a great way.

[17:40] >> Yeah. The um this movie, all three of

[17:43] these movies

[17:44] >> have I think more Easter eggs than your

[17:48] average Marvel movie. Having broken down

[17:50] every MCU movie, I can say that like

[17:52] there are filmmakers who are kind of

[17:53] like, "Yeah, we thrown some Easter eggs

[17:55] in there. The Russo brothers, for

[17:56] example, they don't really care that

[17:57] much about Easter eggs. John Watts is

[18:00] obsessed with them. He throws in every

[18:02] number you see on the screen, every

[18:04] license plate. There are uh the fact

[18:06] that um the principal of the school is

[18:08] the grandson of

[18:09] >> right one of the commandos.

[18:12] >> Um you have Martin Star coming back as

[18:14] like another as like Mr. Harrington who

[18:17] was according to Kevin Feige, the same

[18:19] character from uh the Incredible Hulk

[18:22] movie from 2008. He's like in the MCU

[18:25] like every person, every street sign,

[18:27] every license plate. Years later, John

[18:29] Watts is like, "I hit a Howard the Duck

[18:31] Easter egg somewhere in the movie. No

[18:32] one's found it." We took the challenge.

[18:34] We found it in a video. And he shouted

[18:36] us out on Twitter and says, "Good work.

[18:38] He found it. It was one of the license

[18:39] plates on the ferry." Um, and we only

[18:41] knew that because in Spider-Man Far From

[18:43] Home, uh, every license plate that he

[18:45] puts in the movie, he's like one of the

[18:46] only directors.

[18:47] >> He loves that license plate trick. Yeah.

[18:49] Um there's uh like there's just like a

[18:52] lot. These movies are fun to find the

[18:55] Easter eggs in. They're just everywhere.

[18:57] Uh specifically, yeah, this is a movie

[18:59] that introduces Donald Glover as the

[19:01] Aaron Davis of the MCU. He's still in

[19:04] this universe.

[19:05] >> He says he has a nephew.

[19:06] >> His line saying, "I got a nephew who

[19:08] lives in Brooklyn tells us that there is

[19:09] a Miles Morales somewhere in the MCU."

[19:12] That's very exciting for all of us.

[19:13] Something that could be picked up with

[19:14] at any point in the MCU. And like

[19:16] [clears throat] when he's buying the

[19:17] illegal, he doesn't want the fancy tech,

[19:19] right? And then when he hears these like

[19:21] these these crawler wall crawling

[19:23] things, he's like kind of interested.

[19:24] And it's like, oh, they wanted to do it.

[19:27] They wanted to get us in there. And then

[19:28] eventually that led to him playing the

[19:30] Prowler uh in Beyond the Spider-Verse.

[19:33] Yeah. Right.

[19:33] >> Yeah. Which we still don't really know.

[19:34] >> Across the Spiderverse.

[19:35] >> Across the Spiderverse. And we don't

[19:36] know how connected that is. Obviously

[19:38] Donald Glover has been so associated

[19:40] with Miles Brown.

[19:41] >> And that could be another version of,

[19:43] you know, I don't think it's from our

[19:44] universe or anything.

[19:45] >> Right. from voicing him in the animated

[19:47] series, uh, from playing from wearing

[19:49] the Spider-Man costume in the Community

[19:51] episode, like everyone's been wanting

[19:53] him to do to play Miles Morales in live

[19:55] action. Now he's probably too old.

[19:57] >> Give us old man Miles. Who cares?

[19:59] >> Yeah, just do it.

[20:00] >> Um, and we also learned that like in

[20:02] Beyond the Spider-Verse and Across the

[20:04] Spider-Verse that in certain universes

[20:05] like uh Miles's variant is the Prowler.

[20:09] So like yeah, there's a lot of ways you

[20:10] can connect it. Either way though, um,

[20:12] yeah, this seemed to be so open-ended.

[20:15] This world was, this spider corner of

[20:17] the MCU felt for many of us like this is

[20:19] the this is the version of Spider-Man I

[20:21] want. Someone who doesn't feel like

[20:23] closed off from his world or an else

[20:25] world. It felt like a proper

[20:27] >> like 616 Spider-Man. Um, like Tom

[20:30] Holland, just how young he was when he

[20:33] was first cast. It really felt like a

[20:34] teenage scrawny Peter. I loved Andrew

[20:37] Garfield Spider-Man, but by the time he

[20:39] played the character, he already seemed

[20:40] to be like late 20s.

[20:42] >> He was a movie star. Tom Holland at this

[20:44] point had done the impossible. Yeah, he

[20:46] was a Billy Elliot.

[20:47] >> Well, he was in Civil War. He was

[20:49] already already

[20:50] >> But I mean, just even casting Tom

[20:51] Holland, it it hearkens back to the

[20:53] beginning of the MCU when there were

[20:55] some casting choices where like these

[20:56] aren't big names yet and they became big

[20:59] names thanks to their casting. And I

[21:01] think choosing someone where like people

[21:03] will see his face and not instantly

[21:05] associate that actor with something

[21:07] else, another body of work, it really

[21:09] works. And it feels like bringing a

[21:11] fresh face into the MCU, both as an

[21:13] actor and within its world of like

[21:15] bringing in a new hero in Spider-Man.

[21:18] And it it is incredible that like even

[21:19] though this is a Sony joint, like it

[21:21] really fits in really well despite their

[21:24] poor use of time jumps. Uh uh it it

[21:28] feels like part of the MCU fully baked.

[21:31] Yeah. Um even though every other Spider

[21:33] thing they've tried to do over at Sony

[21:35] just doesn't seem to work. This one

[21:37] works really well.

[21:38] >> Yeah, it really does work really well.

[21:40] Um the way it was made, I mean, we

[21:42] talked about the origin story of this,

[21:44] but it is just fascinating to look at

[21:46] like how this weird weird deal came

[21:49] about between Marvel and Sony. Like

[21:52] basically there's so many kind of like

[21:53] what if conditionals that led to this

[21:55] even happening. Specifically like you

[21:58] had uh 2014 was kind of the pivotal year

[22:01] because the Sam Ramy trilogy of

[22:03] Spider-Man movies was so successful for

[22:05] Sony more successful than any Marvel

[22:07] Studios movie was that Kevin Feige had

[22:09] made. Um specifically Spider-Man 3 made

[22:12] a lot of money. It's really weird that

[22:14] Sam Ramy allowed Sony to reboot it in

[22:17] 2010. They're like we're not going to do

[22:18] a fourth one. I think that caught even

[22:20] Tobey Magcguire. Yeah.

[22:21] >> Uh, by surprise. But either way, they

[22:23] did reboot it with Andrew Garfield. That

[22:25] decision to go from Toby and Spider-Man

[22:28] 4. I think it was like Toby would have

[22:30] cost too much money. Maybe they were

[22:31] worried about Toby's gambling or

[22:33] something like that.

[22:33] >> Well, and his like physical health,

[22:36] right? He had already damaged his back

[22:38] >> at that point. And

[22:39] >> I still think he wanted to do another

[22:40] one.

[22:40] >> I'm sure he did want to do another one.

[22:42] >> Yeah. He like he was um I can't remember

[22:45] where he played a P not a P a veteran in

[22:48] the 2010 movie with Jake Gyllenhaal. I

[22:51] might be getting it wrong, but he was

[22:52] like trying to get a Golden Globe

[22:53] nomination. Right. And then the

[22:55] interviewer asked him in January of 2010

[22:57] like are you excited to come back for

[22:58] Spider-Man 4? He's like yeah we're going

[22:59] to be shooting it next year. I can't

[23:01] wait. Um and then like a week later Sony

[23:04] announced like oh actually we're

[23:05] rebooting it. Uh we're going to have a

[23:07] new Spider-Man. We're not going to do

[23:09] Sam Ramy Spider-Man. It was Spider-Man 4

[23:12] that was going to have Vulture in it,

[23:13] right?

[23:14] >> That was going to have Vulture, which is

[23:15] weird how Sony kept a lot of stuff.

[23:17] >> John Malovich, right?

[23:18] >> John Malovich,

[23:19] >> the man born to play the comic book

[23:21] version of the Vulture.

[23:22] >> They were going to have Bruce Campbell

[23:23] redcon as Mysterio.

[23:25] >> Yeah.

[23:25] >> So, like between Vulture and Mysterio,

[23:27] you could see people at Sony wanted to

[23:28] keep these characters alive. Lizard was

[23:30] going to be part of it. Obviously, they

[23:31] brought in Lizard for Andrew Garfield.

[23:33] So, um Yeah. Yeah. So, then they move

[23:35] forward with Andrew Garfield and they

[23:37] get Mark Webb to direct those next two

[23:39] films. And the first one does pretty

[23:40] great. The second one just does slightly

[23:43] worse and they're like it. Nope. It they

[23:45] panicked. But it was also around the

[23:47] year of the Sony hack. Yeah. That

[23:49] freaked out everyone because Sony was

[23:50] going through a lot of bad press because

[23:52] like all these Scott Ruden emails were

[23:54] coming out. Amy Pascal wasn't looking

[23:55] that good.

[23:55] >> Is that when the like rules about

[23:58] Spider-Man came out?

[23:59] >> That's where the the rules that did not

[24:00] come from Sony. They came from Marvel.

[24:02] It was like it was Ike Pearlmut's rules

[24:04] for Spider-Man that says he has to be

[24:06] white. He has to be straight. Uh, he

[24:08] can't do this. He can't smoke. He can't

[24:10] like do drugs. He can't

[24:11] >> Yeah, let Spider-Man smoke.

[24:13] >> Let him vape at least.

[24:14] >> Yeah,

[24:15] >> let him get a little popcorn lung. Who

[24:17] cares?

[24:18] >> Um, it'll heal.

[24:18] >> So, that comes out and I think uh Amy

[24:21] Pascal was just kind of more vulnerable

[24:23] in general. So, and and then Kevin

[24:24] Feige, I don't know if he intentionally

[24:27] recognized this timing, but in like

[24:29] April of 2014, he gets like Louis

[24:31] Despazito, he gets Brad Winderbomb, he

[24:33] gets Steven Brousard, uh Nate Moore,

[24:35] they all kind of rent out a hotel suite

[24:38] in Santa Monica. And they basically have

[24:40] a secret brainstorming meeting of like,

[24:42] let's find a way to convince Amy Pascal

[24:44] to partner with us to get a new version

[24:47] of Spider-Man who can be in our next

[24:48] like big Avengers teamup movie. She goes

[24:51] in uh with Kevin Feed. They have a

[24:52] meeting. And she says, "Fuck off."

[24:53] Throws a sandwich at him.

[24:54] >> Sandwich her around the world.

[24:56] >> Sandwich her around the world. Uh Kevin

[24:58] Feige is like, "I still CNN." And

[25:00] eventually in the second meeting, she

[25:01] goes, "Okay." I don't know what he said

[25:02] to her, but they agree to this deal

[25:04] where Sony and Marvel Disney will

[25:06] co-inance

[25:08] uh and co-produce the next Spider-Man

[25:11] movie. They're going to cast a new

[25:12] Spider-Man. Um and that Spider-Man will

[25:15] appear in the next Avengers team up

[25:17] movies, which would have been Captain

[25:18] America um Civil War. Kevin Feige

[25:21] basically has to go to war with like Ike

[25:23] Pearl Mutter in order to even get the

[25:25] money to do that for Civil War.

[25:26] Eventually he wins. He just drops by the

[25:28] conference room where Marcus and Mcily

[25:30] and the Russos are and he goes we got

[25:32] him basically and they're like okay I

[25:33] guess we got to we got him.

[25:36] >> We got him. Um it all just kind of works

[25:39] out to Fig's advantage. I think Feige

[25:40] made a deal with Meisto. He did one of

[25:42] those makeaish things from Obsession and

[25:44] just got [clears throat] his his life

[25:45] worked out perfectly from there. But

[25:47] yeah, um, so the first appearance, of

[25:49] course, they cast Tom Holland for Civil

[25:50] War. The Russos are involved in that

[25:52] casting. I think John Watts might be in

[25:54] the room for that casting.

[25:55] >> And if you haven't watched his screen

[25:58] test or his audition self tape to be

[26:01] Spider-Man, he does a backflip in it and

[26:03] it's incredible. And like there is a lot

[26:05] of CG and previs in these movies, but

[26:08] like in the behind the scenes, like Tom

[26:10] is doing a lot of like acrobatics and he

[26:12] has, you know, his his training as a

[26:15] dancer makes him so good at Spider-Man.

[26:17] Yeah. And really gives him the

[26:18] athleticism to do it.

[26:20] >> I think it's the back flip that got him

[26:21] the role.

[26:21] >> Yeah. I I mean, it's incredible

[26:22] >> cuz he was a stage actor in Billy Elliot

[26:24] and a stage dancer. He was one of the

[26:26] four Billy Elliott actors on the West

[26:28] End. He goes from there to be in the

[26:30] impossible, the Naomi Watts um you

[26:32] McGregor tsunami wave movie. He's great

[26:35] in it as a kid

[26:36] >> and he's he just did like a good hang.

[26:38] Tom Holland did Amy Pull's good hang and

[26:40] he kind of talks about how like Nomi

[26:42] Watts like taught him to be a film actor

[26:44] like is teaching him while while they're

[26:46] doing this insane movie uh you know all

[26:49] this stuff and she's very patient and

[26:51] teaches him so much. We I believe at

[26:53] this time Josh Hutcherson was also

[26:55] reading for the parts or maybe he was

[26:57] reading for it when Andrew Garfield got

[26:58] it but there was like other young actors

[27:00] who were being considered.

[27:01] >> I mean he says like it was like 1 1500

[27:03] people are like auditioning at least. I

[27:05] >> I might be wrong. Timothy Shalamé might

[27:07] have submitted.

[27:08] >> He had to have his his people would have

[27:10] submitted him for it. Uh Austin Abrams I

[27:12] think might have been considered because

[27:13] he was on Homeland during this time. It

[27:15] wouldn't surprise me if Austin Abrams

[27:16] >> Where was Austin Butler at? He must

[27:18] have. Right. [laughter] He was Austin

[27:20] Butler. I think he was with Colonel Tom

[27:22] Parker somewhere in the southern

[27:24] circuit.

[27:24] >> Ah, everyone wants a piece of

[27:26] Spider-Man. [laughter]

[27:28] >> So, Holland gets it. He gets Sarah Haley

[27:31] Finn is like, "This guy, this kid did a

[27:34] backflip." Maybe that's even why they

[27:36] had uh Zach Cherry say, "Do a flip."

[27:38] Like, I think that is definitely why he

[27:40] got the part.

[27:40] >> They had to have been. I mean, yeah. So,

[27:42] he Yeah, he's in Civil War. Does a great

[27:44] job. He And then they start shooting

[27:46] this movie and clearly with John Francis

[27:48] Dailyaly, John Watts. John Watts was

[27:50] someone who like had done Waverly Films.

[27:52] He was like a new uh NYC film school guy

[27:54] who put together like a film um like a

[27:57] filmmaker club and their YouTube channel

[28:00] you can see as an Easter egg in this

[28:02] movie. Um and so like he's buddies with

[28:04] people like Jake Shrier whenever like

[28:06] when I went to the Thunderbolts

[28:07] premiere, John Watts was there

[28:09] definitely looked at me and did one of

[28:10] these like I don't know. No, I'm just

[28:13] kidding. He didn't do that. He didn't do

[28:15] >> he he was supposed to direct Fantastic

[28:17] 4. He was originally going to direct

[28:18] Fantastic 4, right? John Watts.

[28:20] >> Yes. Yes, he

[28:22] >> and then he like was like, I don't want

[28:23] to do it anymore.

[28:24] >> Yeah, he backed out. Um

[28:25] >> cuz I it was like right off the heels of

[28:27] fan of

[28:28] >> No Way Home. And I think he realized

[28:29] like actually I would like to take a

[28:31] break.

[28:31] >> Yes, that's true. Um so, uh but yeah,

[28:34] he's directing it very much like a

[28:35] coming of age movie. Like this is like a

[28:37] high school thing where he wants it to

[28:38] be like a John Hughes movie. Especially

[28:40] when you go back and you watch, you

[28:42] know, Toby's uh Toby's high school is

[28:45] filled with 30 year olds and it's just

[28:46] it is

[28:46] >> Joe Manganello is like 46 when he

[28:49] watches that.

[28:50] >> To see like these high school kids and

[28:52] like the comedy with the kids is so

[28:55] good. It's so

[28:55] >> Tony Revel is really great in this.

[28:57] Jacob Batalon, Zena, they all feel like

[29:00] kids who are just like kind of hilarious

[29:02] and also kind of dumb.

[29:04] >> Everyone on the athletic team is like or

[29:06] the academic team is so funny. You know,

[29:08] there's just a lot of great moments.

[29:10] >> Yes. It it it feels like um Ferris

[29:12] Spieler. It feels like Freaks and Geeks.

[29:14] I remember the way it was marketed. It

[29:16] felt like a high school kind of Perks of

[29:18] Being a Wallflower type movie. And um we

[29:21] got to talk about the marketing in this

[29:22] movie because man, they were making fun

[29:24] of the posters in the trailer for how

[29:26] much Iron Man was in this. Remember the

[29:28] posters, Robert Downey Jr.'s face in

[29:29] three different poses, and it was huge.

[29:32] Um,

[29:33] there's the infamous shot at the end of

[29:35] the Spider-Man Homecoming trailer that

[29:37] showed Peter Parker and and Iron Man

[29:39] swinging and flying together through a

[29:40] New York movie. Not in the movie. There

[29:43] was never even a scene where that

[29:44] happened. They completely they

[29:45] >> that was happening a lot around the

[29:47] >> trailer year after Rogue One. And Rogue

[29:49] One had like tons of scenes where it's

[29:52] like a TIE fighters dropping down in

[29:53] front of

[29:54] >> But at least Rogue One it was like

[29:56] Gareth Edwards shot one version of the

[29:57] movie and then Tony Gilroy came in and

[29:59] re-shot the movie. So there was like a

[30:01] completely different version of the

[30:02] movie that like this was like clearly

[30:04] Sony's marketing people were just like

[30:06] hey animators put together this shot

[30:07] that we'll only put in the show.

[30:08] >> And I wonder if part of that calculation

[30:10] was like this deal needs to work or else

[30:12] like

[30:13] >> you know Pascal's on the line and Kevin

[30:15] Fee is on the line. Like if this doesn't

[30:17] work out it it's a total mess.

[30:19] >> And it did really work. The movie made

[30:22] more money than than either of the two

[30:24] Andrew Garfield Spider-Man movies. You

[30:26] could call it the Downey bump,

[30:28] >> but it it got to over $800 million. This

[30:30] is this is when you know Marvel is like

[30:33] cannot miss, right? Everything that

[30:35] comes out is doing really well. Even

[30:37] like the smaller movies like Ant-Man,

[30:40] you know, they're still doing very well

[30:41] at the box office. Like everyone is

[30:44] buying what the MCU is selling and it's

[30:46] all good. So yeah, Spider-Man Homecoming

[30:48] uh comes out right in the the hot streak

[30:51] of of late Infinity Saga Marvel movies.

[30:54] You go from Doctor Strange in late 2016,

[30:56] then you go into uh 2017 where you have

[30:59] Guardians of the Galaxy Vol in May, you

[31:01] have Spider-Man Homecoming in July, and

[31:03] then you have Thor Ragnarok in November.

[31:05] And I remember that's when new Rockstars

[31:07] is like, "Whoa, something is really

[31:09] happening." Like Marvel movies were

[31:10] always popular, but it's like every week

[31:13] we have either a new trailer or a

[31:15] digital release or something. All these

[31:16] movies marketing cycles were

[31:17] overlapping. And then in November of

[31:19] 2017, you have the Infinity War trailer.

[31:22] And all these movies felt like it was

[31:23] building up to something hot. We knew

[31:26] Tom Holland Spider-Man was going to be

[31:27] an Infinity War. So, it was super

[31:29] exciting. Infinity War comes out

[31:31] obviously blows everyone's minds and

[31:34] Endgame comes out and blows everyone's

[31:35] minds. But before Endgame comes out, we

[31:37] get trailers for Spider-Man Far From

[31:39] Home. And there was a weird period where

[31:42] it's like, wait, Spider-Man

[31:44] >> or Spider-Man dusted at the end of

[31:45] Infinity War? He must come back in

[31:47] Endgame. I mean, no one thought that

[31:49] these people weren't Everyone knew they

[31:51] were coming back.

[31:52] >> Yeah. But they had to I remember in the

[31:54] early trailers for Spider-Man Far From

[31:56] Home had to edit around the fact that

[31:58] Tony Stark dies.

[31:58] >> Right. Right.

[31:59] >> There's so many shots in that trailer

[32:01] where Spider-Man looks kind of sad

[32:02] looking at some mural that's off screen.

[32:04] >> Yeah. Yeah. They took out the mural.

[32:06] Yeah.

[32:06] >> So, it was a weird movie to market. Uh

[32:08] and we knew it was going to be coming

[32:10] out after Endgame, a movie that in many

[32:12] lay people's minds was like the end of

[32:14] the MCU. So, it's like why are we still

[32:16] extending?

[32:17] >> I mean, even those final credits, right?

[32:18] It's like got everyone's signature at

[32:20] the end. You just hear Iron Man's hammer

[32:22] at the end. It's like I think to a very

[32:25] casual member, you know, MCU fan that's

[32:28] like, "Okay, well, they're done.

[32:29] >> I've seen All I Need to See." And for a

[32:31] while it was like, "Well, maybe we did."

[32:33] >> But it was like where at the same time

[32:34] we also had to be like, "Well, this

[32:36] Spider-Man kid story has to continue."

[32:38] >> Um, so we were presented this movie and

[32:41] the movie does come out in July of 2019.

[32:44] uh two months after Endgame comes out

[32:46] and here's what ends up happening in

[32:48] Spider-Man Far From Home. We begin the

[32:49] movie in Mexico where Nick Fury, Samuela

[32:52] Jackson, and Maria Hill, Kobe Soldiers,

[32:53] show up uh and they meet Quinton Beck,

[32:56] Mysterio, played by Jake Gyllenhaal,

[32:58] while he's investigating some attack by

[32:59] these things that we think are called

[33:01] elementals that are, you know, some kind

[33:03] of Sandmanesque creature that's not

[33:05] Sandman. Um uh Nick Fury learns that

[33:08] Quinton Beck is a superhero from a

[33:09] parallel version of Earth, according to

[33:11] him. Yeah. who's come to our universe to

[33:13] fight these elementals before they

[33:15] destroy this earth like his earth was

[33:17] destroyed. Uh we're back in Queens now

[33:19] and then Peter and Ned and and MJ.

[33:22] They're all dealing with the uh the life

[33:24] post blip. There have been some

[33:26] characters who continue to age up 5

[33:28] years and some kids who have stayed the

[33:30] same age like Peter Parker and Ned and

[33:32] MJ.

[33:32] >> And this movie has to like do so much.

[33:35] This is the first movie after Endgame

[33:38] which we all loved and it was great. And

[33:39] then you have like all these questions

[33:40] of like, wait, how does it how did it

[33:43] work? This movie coined the blip cuz I

[33:45] think at this point we were also calling

[33:47] it the snap.

[33:48] >> We called it the snap or the dusting.

[33:49] This movie called it the blip.

[33:50] >> And it it's funny that like this movie

[33:52] comes in with like not a scientist. It's

[33:54] not Eric Selvig explaining how it all

[33:55] worked. It's like the morning news

[33:57] report. It's Betty Allen.

[33:58] >> It's all done for Betty uh Brandt.

[34:01] >> Betty Brandt. I almost said Betty Ross

[34:02] and that's someone else. Someone else.

[34:04] Betty Brandt is explaining in these

[34:05] hilarious Midtown High things that is

[34:07] another staple of the trilogy.

[34:09] >> You got one kid who's like got, you

[34:11] know, the the blip when I turned pretty

[34:12] basically like Brad.

[34:14] >> Yeah, he's grown up.

[34:15] >> Freaking Brad.

[34:16] >> We get to see the moment. Uh this is

[34:18] like the first time we see blip fiction

[34:20] in the MCU. And I wish we explored this

[34:22] more of like characters returning in the

[34:24] middle of a marching band. Like marching

[34:26] band kids return in the middle of a

[34:27] basketball game. We hear

[34:29] >> you compare this to like you compare

[34:31] this to like Yolena's like traumatic

[34:34] what happened to her in the blip or or

[34:36] uh uh Ram Maria Rambo's mother dusting

[34:39] away, you know? It's like or Monica

[34:41] Rambo, she comes back, the hospital's

[34:43] all panicked.

[34:43] >> Yeah. Like this is like, wow, we're at a

[34:45] basketball game. Woohoo.

[34:47] >> And that little Brad Allen wimpy kid is

[34:49] now a hunk. What the heck? Um but Peter

[34:52] Peter's also grieving the loss of Tony

[34:54] Stark. Uh everybody is just kind of uh

[34:57] saying, "Hey, you know what? Let's do a

[34:58] summer trip to Europe. We immediately

[35:01] leave New York.

[35:01] >> It's like a science trip basically.

[35:03] >> Yes. It's like a research trip, but also

[35:05] we're going to museums and and other

[35:07] things, you know, Europe famous.

[35:08] >> I mean, they they JB Smooth calls out

[35:11] like, "We've done no science on this

[35:12] science [laughter] trip, which is very

[35:14] funny."

[35:14] >> So, the movie kind of has like a

[35:15] randomness to it that I think a lot of

[35:17] people when they revisit it like, "What

[35:19] the hell is this movie?"

[35:20] >> I mean, you know what? This is like this

[35:22] is Spider-Man tax breaks is what it is.

[35:24] >> [laughter]

[35:24] >> Yeah,

[35:25] >> the Czech Republic gave a nice check to

[35:27] come shoot over in Prague. [gasps]

[35:29] >> So, we go to Venice, Italy first, where

[35:31] a water elemental attack. It's not

[35:33] hydroman, it's a water elemental.

[35:34] Mysterio subdues it, but kind of in a

[35:37] way that seems overly destructive to

[35:39] this historic architecture of of Venice.

[35:42] Peter's able to help. Um, he has to wear

[35:44] this comedia delarte mask that I think

[35:46] is very fun. Uh, a bell tower nearly or

[35:49] it does end up collapsing.

[35:50] >> Yeah, he drops it eventually.

[35:52] >> You got to be careful in the

[35:52] architecture event. The whole city's

[35:54] sinking. Um, but Fury, Nick Fury catches

[35:57] up with Peter and gives him this gift

[35:59] from Tony Stark. A controversial gift in

[36:02] the eyes of many Marvel fans. Edith.

[36:05] Edith. All uh, even dead I'm the hero.

[36:08] >> Um, a pair of high-tech glasses that

[36:10] interface seamlessly with a global web

[36:12] of Stark tech. Peter can kind of, it's

[36:14] almost like um, X-ray specs where Peter

[36:16] can kind of

[36:17] >> he can read people's text messages. He

[36:19] can assign killer drone. It's basically

[36:21] Ronald Reagan's Star Wars program

[36:23] connected and it you know this movie

[36:26] establishes that later that like the

[36:27] DODC takes all this stuff but it's kind

[36:29] of funny that like Tony set this up

[36:31] >> and it was like did the government even

[36:32] know about these things? I don't know.

[36:34] >> It's one of like a lot of people

[36:35] consider it one of the biggest mistakes

[36:36] of the MCU like why would Tony Stark I

[36:39] know he trusts Peter Parker that is an

[36:41] insanely powerful

[36:42] >> didn't know he was going to die that

[36:44] day. Okay,

[36:45] >> even dead I'm the hero. He put dead in

[36:47] the name of the game. is also like when

[36:49] you really think about it, it's like he

[36:51] set this all up. Did he do it during the

[36:53] blip? Like thinking like eventually

[36:56] Peter Parker will come back. Did he do

[36:57] this before the snap?

[36:59] >> He did. No, he didn't do it before the

[37:01] snap. He did it when um he was unlocking

[37:04] time travel during Endgame and he sees

[37:06] the Peter or the photo of Peter

[37:08] >> and at some point while he's coming up

[37:09] with those wristwatches, he's like, "You

[37:10] know what? I might die during the time

[37:12] heist. I'm going to set up this thing

[37:14] and tell Nick McFury about it for Peter

[37:16] if I can get assuming I can get Peter

[37:18] Parker back.

[37:19] >> I'm going to have this thing. So, he's

[37:21] that confident that they were going to

[37:22] be able to reverse.

[37:23] >> He had talked to him in 5 years. He's

[37:24] like, I think that kid was good. He was

[37:26] a good kid. I don't know. I bet he's

[37:28] drinking.

[37:29] >> He didn't give it to Pepper or his

[37:30] daughter when she would turn 18. He gave

[37:32] it to a 17-year-old.

[37:33] >> Pepper could barely get the thing out of

[37:34] his chest without freaking out. I'm not

[37:36] going to give her the glasses.

[37:37] >> Could have given it to Happy Hogan, his

[37:38] head of security.

[37:39] >> No. Happy Hogan. No. Absolutely.

[37:42] >> He could have dismantled the technology.

[37:44] That would have been a smarter way to do

[37:45] >> that. I mean, he still wants to put a

[37:46] shield of armor around the world like

[37:48] >> he's even when he's dead.

[37:49] >> Even when he's dead, he's the hero.

[37:51] >> It's insane. So, uh they're on their way

[37:52] to Prague now and now a fire elemental

[37:55] attacks uh while they're on the ferris

[37:56] wheel. And that's where we learn night

[37:58] monkey, the term that Ned comes up.

[38:00] That's telling because Ned and Betty are

[38:02] kind of dating in this movie.

[38:03] >> Yeah.

[38:04] >> Very fun. So, Night Monkey, Peter, and

[38:05] Quinton Beck fight off this monster

[38:08] again. And while celebrating afterwards,

[38:09] Peter decides that he's not ready to be

[38:11] the new Tony Stark. But Beck is and

[38:13] Peter stupidly gives this stranger the

[38:16] Edith glasses.

[38:17] >> Well, I you know, I I buy the reasoning.

[38:21] It makes sense. You know, he has lost

[38:23] Tony, he's distraught. It's a lot of

[38:26] pressure. You know, when he's at the

[38:28] feast uh banquet earlier and everyone's

[38:30] like, "Are you the new Iron Man? Are are

[38:32] you an Avenger? Like, who's going to

[38:34] save us? What if these things come

[38:35] back?" Like these are people who have

[38:37] been traumatized for decades in the MCU

[38:39] and it there's a lot of pressure on him

[38:41] and he sees a guy who is like Iron Man,

[38:44] you know, he's like a mix of Iron Man

[38:46] and Doctor Strange. He's like, "This guy

[38:48] is here. He's competent. He knows how to

[38:50] deal with a threat. I shouldn't have

[38:51] this stuff." And he reads into the card

[38:54] that you know uh Tony left him that's

[38:57] like you know what to do kind of thing.

[38:59] and he sees it as like Tony knew that I

[39:02] wasn't ready but knew I would know who

[39:04] is ready.

[39:05] >> Yeah.

[39:06] >> Um this leads to one of the big twists

[39:08] of the movie that Quinton Beck is a

[39:11] complete liar about being from a

[39:12] parallel earth. He's actually a

[39:14] disgruntled former Stark employee. The

[39:16] guy who invented Barf but did not name

[39:18] it Barf.

[39:19] >> Great sequence.

[39:20] >> Completely furious that Tony Stark

[39:22] called it binary augmented retroframing

[39:24] the barf. Um, and that he's got a whole

[39:27] team of disgruntled Stark in uh

[39:28] employees, including William

[39:29] Gintterriva, all the way back from Iron

[39:31] Man 1, played by Peter Billings Leaf,

[39:33] the kid from the Christmas Story. Uh,

[39:35] he's running these hollow projector

[39:37] technology there. All these actors have

[39:39] been stalking Peter in the background

[39:41] throughout the movie, which is a really

[39:42] fun thing to discover as you rewatch it.

[39:45] Um, they were following him in uh

[39:47] Venice. You do see um Jake Gyllenhaal in

[39:50] the background when Peter's buying the

[39:51] necklace. It's just kind of fun little

[39:53] Easter eggs there. Uh, and really what

[39:55] they're going to do is use the tech that

[39:56] ETH gives to give Mysterio access in

[39:58] order to stage all these Avengers level

[40:00] events, these threats so that he can be

[40:02] the hero uh, and and become like the

[40:06] rightful kind of Avenger that he wants

[40:07] to be. Um, Peter figures this out thanks

[40:10] to a piece of debris that MJ has found

[40:12] in Prague. Uh, yes, MJ in this movie

[40:15] clearly discovers that Peter is

[40:17] Spider-Man. It's a nice reveal that like

[40:19] I know you're Spider-Man.

[40:20] >> Yeah, she's known for a while. Uh, so

[40:21] Peter goes to Berlin to try to warn Nick

[40:23] Fury and confront Quinton Beck. But the

[40:25] whole thing is another illusion by

[40:27] Quinton Beck. Uh, this incredible

[40:29] hallucinatory montage that is really

[40:32] fun.

[40:33] >> Fun and very Mysterio. Like that's great

[40:36] comic book stuff.

[40:37] >> Yeah, a lot of it is like Frame Store

[40:38] VFX, but it's kind of a beautifully

[40:40] designed sequence.

[40:41] >> Um, and it successfully works on Peter.

[40:45] He reveals that MJ and Ned are aware of

[40:46] the truth and eventually uh Peter gets

[40:48] completely sideswiped by a train. Uh so

[40:51] Peter wakes up in rural Holland like the

[40:53] actor's name with some uh Netherlands

[40:56] soccer fans.

[40:58] Everyone's super friendly in Holland.

[40:59] Great.

[41:00] >> Yep. And then he reconnects with Happy

[41:01] Hogan in a tulip field. Uh

[41:03] >> yeah, that was rude by the way, landing

[41:05] in the tulip

[41:06] >> crunch. That's someone's business.

[41:08] Um, so Happy gives Peter a pretty solid

[41:11] pep talk on the jet and uses the the

[41:14] suit or the

[41:15] >> the fabricator

[41:16] >> the fabricator in the back of the of the

[41:18] jet to build a new suit that Peter

[41:19] designs. And then they fly to London and

[41:22] Peter arrives just in time as Beck is

[41:24] staging a massive elemental attack on

[41:25] Tower Bridge. Uh, Peter shorts out the

[41:28] drones and reveals the attack for the

[41:29] illusion that it really is. While

[41:31] fighting Peter, Beck is shot by a drone

[41:34] and dies. There's a really cool move

[41:35] where Peter doesn't fall for the trick

[41:37] and uses a Spidey sense to grab the gun

[41:40] that's being pointed at his head.

[41:41] Terrified. He was about to get shot in

[41:42] the head via Kong style. It was insane.

[41:44] That would have been wild. Uh Peter gets

[41:46] the Edith glasses back and all the kids

[41:48] make it back home to New York. Ned and

[41:50] Betty just break up.

[41:52] >> Doesn't last long.

[41:52] >> That's very healthy.

[41:54] >> And we end the movie with some webs

[41:56] slinging through Manhattan with MJ. It's

[41:59] great. But then we go straight to a

[42:00] mid-credit scene

[42:01] >> that sets up the third movie. Quinton

[42:03] Beck had a poshumous gift for Peter,

[42:04] pinning the whole London attack on him

[42:06] and revealing his true identity to the

[42:07] world as Peter Parker. And then a

[42:09] postredit scene reveals that the Nick

[42:11] Fury and Maria Hill throughout this

[42:12] movie have actually been scrolls in

[42:14] disguise the whole time and that Nick

[42:15] Fury is actually on a scroll space

[42:18] station looking for his shoes. Something

[42:19] that doesn't really get delivered on

[42:21] until I guess Secret Invasion, but we

[42:23] never really see that space station.

[42:24] >> No, cuz that's not Saber. Cuz the space

[42:27] station we see in the Marvels is not

[42:29] that space station.

[42:30] >> It's weird. This is after we met scrolls

[42:32] in Captain Marvel.

[42:33] >> This is like a fully scroll ship. I

[42:35] think I took it as to be like this is a

[42:36] scroll ship.

[42:37] >> It's a scroll ship. We thought this was

[42:39] going to led to secret invasion. Never

[42:41] really

[42:42] >> did leave.

[42:42] >> It kind of did, but we don't see that

[42:44] ship again.

[42:45] >> We see him on a different space station

[42:47] in the Marvels,

[42:48] >> but that's not a scroll space station.

[42:50] It's weird. This was a very weird

[42:52] >> It's a very weird reveal. And like this

[42:54] is kind of a hint that, you know, phase

[42:57] 4 is going to be a little all over the

[42:59] place. And this is the beginning of like

[43:01] Kevin Feige getting stretched very thin

[43:03] and like storylines being planted and

[43:05] then not coming through and and then of

[43:07] course a pandemic will hit which will

[43:09] change release dates and things will

[43:11] have to get reworked and it it gets a

[43:13] little messy from here on out.

[43:14] >> I mean we had we had um MTO saying too

[43:17] many sorcerers that we assumed would be

[43:19] addressed in the second Doctor Strange

[43:21] movie. We had this that we assumed would

[43:22] be addressed in the future. And when

[43:24] these sequels came out to these movies

[43:25] and didn't address it at all,

[43:27] >> it was very weird. That's when people

[43:29] were like, "Uhoh." Uh, specifically,

[43:31] like I could even uh give a pass to

[43:33] James Gun's postredit. He had five post

[43:35] credit scenes at the end of Guardians of

[43:36] the Galaxy Volume 2,

[43:38] >> and pretty much all of them were

[43:39] addressed. You had Adam Warlock come out

[43:41] in uh volume 3. You had the Ravagers

[43:43] come back in volume three. Even I

[43:45] believe all of them except for Alita

[43:47] Ogour did show back up. Yeah. you had

[43:50] Mainframe uh and you had um uh the the

[43:54] sorcerer crew show up. You had Martin X

[43:56] show up. Um so like James Gunn did a

[43:59] good job delivering and bringing back

[44:00] enough of his characters.

[44:02] >> Um but

[44:04] >> uh yeah, this this Nick Fury scroll

[44:07] reveal was very weird and it felt like a

[44:08] one for you. I mean JK Simmons showed up

[44:10] in the mid-credit scene. It was very

[44:12] very exciting.

[44:13] >> Yes. um u revealing that JK Simmons is

[44:16] the only actor who can play Jay Jonah

[44:17] Jameson in any

[44:19] >> any Marvel timeline.

[44:20] >> Yeah.

[44:20] >> Um it was the scroll one where people

[44:23] were like, "Wait, what?"

[44:24] >> Yeah. And I you know, I think Sony has a

[44:26] dubious history with their postredit

[44:28] scenes and Spider-Man movies. So,

[44:30] >> you know, I I don't know how much like

[44:32] they checked in with Marvel on all of

[44:34] this. You know, I think it I don't know

[44:36] how much of it was like, oh, they're

[44:37] gonna do a scroll thing with Nick Fury

[44:40] or like we need Nick Fury to be dumb

[44:42] enough to fall for Mysterio that we have

[44:44] to replace him with. It's this it's kind

[44:47] of implied in this movie that like, man,

[44:49] the last five years were really rough.

[44:50] Everyone's taking a vacation

[44:53] >> and Spider-Man has to kind of deal with

[44:54] us a lot of this stuff. There's also a

[44:56] great deleted scene in this movie. I

[44:58] don't know why they deleted it. when

[44:59] Spider-Man's getting ready to go to uh

[45:02] overseas. He has to get his passport and

[45:04] stuff and he like fights a crime family

[45:06] in his Iron Spider suit and it's very

[45:08] cool. They kind of It's not The effects

[45:10] aren't fully finished on it, but it's a

[45:11] fun sequence that I wish they had kept

[45:13] in the movie.

[45:14] >> It was the Man Freddy's.

[45:15] >> Oh, it was the Man Freddy's

[45:16] >> Silverman who ends up being a villain in

[45:17] Spider Noir. Yeah, but it would have

[45:19] been a different version of the movie

[45:20] for sure. I I It looks like a really

[45:23] cool sequence. I wish they kept it in.

[45:24] Um this

[45:25] >> Yeah, this whole movie is like, "Oh,

[45:27] this is great and I love all this. I

[45:28] love what Mysterio is doing. You could

[45:30] have done this in New York. I I Yeah.

[45:32] Putting it overseas. There's some kind

[45:33] of specious reasoning of like it it's

[45:35] more believable. It happened somewhere

[45:37] else, but like and I guess they Quinton

[45:40] Beck knew that Peter was going to they

[45:43] find out that he's getting Edith. It

[45:44] pisses them all off. So, they come up

[45:46] with a scheme and they know he's going

[45:48] overseas for this trip and they're like,

[45:49] "Well, it'll it'll work better overseas,

[45:52] so we're going to do it over there." I

[45:53] don't know. It's a lot of difficult

[45:55] field producing that they have to do to

[45:57] find like warehouses in different cities

[45:59] in Europe to be able to do all this and

[46:01] successfully pull it off. It it's it's a

[46:04] little campy and goofy to imagine that

[46:07] they use this hollow tech that like

[46:09] these drones are perfectly silent that

[46:11] they have noise cancelling frequencies

[46:13] and Peter's Spidey sense is just that

[46:15] often.

[46:15] >> Well, they do establish in the movie his

[46:17] tingle is

[46:18] >> his tingle. Right. Right. And I and I

[46:20] appreciate that. Honestly, when I

[46:21] watched this movie, I wasn't really

[46:23] affected by the logic of it. I really

[46:25] quite liked it when it came out. I was

[46:26] one of the defenders cuz people were

[46:28] saying like, "That movie sucked. That

[46:29] movie was mid." I I really did like

[46:31] >> to be the first movie after Endgame. I

[46:33] mean, who what pressure?

[46:36] >> I I really like the whole themes of like

[46:38] perception versus blindness and how like

[46:40] grief is something that can blind you.

[46:42] It can Look, wanting an Avenger mentor

[46:44] figure can kind of put these blinders on

[46:47] for like the stuff staring you right in

[46:49] the face. Uh, so I I like that idea that

[46:51] like even the Edith glasses were kind of

[46:53] like the the Wizard of Oz green tinted

[46:56] glasses that blinds people in Oz from

[46:58] seeing the obvious like deceit and

[47:00] corruption. Um,

[47:01] >> and you can establish that like that,

[47:04] you know, third act sequence of him kind

[47:05] of closing his eyes and focusing and

[47:07] like trusting his his Spidey sense that

[47:10] leads to him in the third movie, you

[47:12] know, being aware that Green Goblin has

[47:14] returned in the apartment, you know, and

[47:16] he has that [clears throat] great moment

[47:17] of like something is off like, you know,

[47:20] it it's a good I like that pattern in

[47:22] the MCU of like, you know, something

[47:24] that happened in the previous movie

[47:26] affects how they change in the next

[47:28] movie. You see it the most with like

[47:30] Iron Man where every movie he changes

[47:32] his suit based on what happened in the

[47:34] previous movie. Yeah. To make it more

[47:35] effective. They do that well in the

[47:37] Spider-Man movies where like his

[47:38] experience teaches him to be a better

[47:40] Spider-Man.

[47:40] >> Yeah. Um we It's hard to know if

[47:44] Mysterio actually dies at the end of

[47:45] this movie. Um he

[47:47] >> We could be being fooled.

[47:48] >> It could be a fool. We Mysterio could

[47:50] still be alive somewhere out there. We

[47:51] don't know for sure.

[47:52] >> There's a lot in the third movie, right,

[47:53] that of like Mysterio was right kind of

[47:55] like we trust Mysterio. That's right.

[47:58] And and Mysterio's whole story of being

[48:00] a multiverse man is something that is

[48:02] kind of like our first wink for Peter

[48:03] Parker trusting the multiverse or being

[48:06] unsure about the multiverse.

[48:08] >> And he even says this is our 616, which

[48:11] is kind of wild. Yeah.

[48:12] >> He says he's from 833, not 838, which

[48:16] would come back in Doctor Strange, but

[48:19] just kind of like the 616 thing is like,

[48:21] oh, that is fascinating. How does he

[48:23] know the numerical? He knows what 838 is

[48:26] calling

[48:27] >> the MCU that they're calling it 616.

[48:29] >> Right. It's just kind of interesting

[48:30] that like there's someone out there like

[48:32] it wasn't Christine Palmer who invented

[48:34] right from 838 who invented 616 that

[48:37] like somewhere else out there like the

[48:39] watcher or people within these universes

[48:41] are using that number.

[48:42] >> The watcher influences whoever is aware

[48:45] of the MCU and they just kind of

[48:46] instinct instinctively just number 616.

[48:50] >> It's weird. It's very weird and

[48:51] coincidental and fun. Well, and I think

[48:53] they kind of did it to to keep the

[48:56] audience on their toes a little bit to

[48:57] be like,

[48:58] >> you know, the MCU is very subversive

[49:00] with a lot of its characters and changes

[49:02] their history and ever since like the

[49:04] Mandarin, right? Like we can't ever

[49:05] trust

[49:07] >> uh that a a character's story is what it

[49:10] is. So, by telling the audience that

[49:12] like, yeah, this guy knows about the

[49:14] multiverse and he knows that this is

[49:16] Earth 616, we're kind of thinking like,

[49:18] well, maybe Mysterio in this in the MCU

[49:21] is an actual powered individual. It just

[49:24] helps with the reveal later. It really

[49:25] does.

[49:26] >> It's um it's an effective movie. It it

[49:28] doesn't really hold up as well as the

[49:31] other two movies. It's just a little

[49:33] silly and it's like you're right, it

[49:34] doesn't need to be in these European

[49:35] settings, but they're trying to make

[49:36] these global hits that like audiences

[49:38] everywhere can kind of see the way like

[49:41] James Bond is like a global brand. It's

[49:43] fun to see international locations. The

[49:44] movie does very well. It makes over a

[49:46] billion dollars. Um, and I don't want to

[49:48] dwell too much on it just because I I

[49:50] feel like it mostly sets up the third

[49:52] movie and I don't think there's specific

[49:53] stuff in this movie that's gonna come

[49:54] back to.

[49:54] >> And again, I think it was smart to set

[49:56] it not in because if it was in New York,

[49:58] I would have love for it to be in New

[49:59] York, but if it was in New York, you

[50:00] would just be going like, "Well, where's

[50:01] this character? Where's that character?"

[50:03] You know, it makes sense that like it's

[50:05] just overseas and they don't have any

[50:06] heroes overseas. Sorry guys.

[50:07] >> Um, let's move on to the third movie in

[50:09] the trilogy that I do think will be more

[50:11] important for Doomsday and Secret Wars,

[50:13] Spider-Man: No Way Home. This is

[50:15] directed by John Watts, written by Chris

[50:17] McKenna and Eric Summers. It came out

[50:19] December 17th, 2021.

[50:21] >> Uh the movie that kind of brought us

[50:23] back from COVID.

[50:24] >> Yeah.

[50:24] >> Uh people were going to that movie

[50:26] Unmasked did not care. They had to see

[50:28] what happened.

[50:29] >> Packed theater.

[50:30] >> This the we'll talk about the whole like

[50:32] craze of the rumors leading up to this

[50:34] movie. Uh but No Way Home starts with a

[50:35] postredit scene of Far From Home picking

[50:37] up in the immediate aftermath of Jonah

[50:39] Jameson JK Simmons revealing that

[50:40] Peter's identity is Spider or Spider-Man

[50:43] is Peter Parker. Uh, huge pain in the

[50:45] ass for everybody. The DODC arrests

[50:47] Peter and May, MJ and Ned. Um, and they

[50:51] confiscate all the Stark tech, but

[50:54] luckily uh they get defended by Charlie

[50:58] Cox as Matt Murdoch shows up in a crazy

[51:00] cameo in this movie, defends Peter

[51:02] Parker, and also has to defend Happy

[51:04] Hogan. Uh, but a a consequence of this

[51:06] is everybody's applications to MIT get

[51:08] rejected. Peter asks Dr. Strange,

[51:10] Benedict Cumberbatch, to make everybody

[51:11] forget his identity. Uh, Dr. Strange

[51:14] casts the runes of cough call spell, but

[51:16] Peter keeps adding sub clauses to it and

[51:17] causes it to go ary. So there's like

[51:20] riffs in the multiverse that are

[51:21] starting to form. Um Wong calls it the

[51:24] the border between known and unknown

[51:26] realities that this this spell dances

[51:30] between, but they have said that they're

[51:31] they've used it before. There's like a

[51:33] moon partyage that he kind of

[51:36] >> I mean and this movie really establishes

[51:38] why Wong should be the sorcerer supreme

[51:40] and not Dr. Steven Strange, a guy who

[51:42] just got his powers a few years ago.

[51:44] This spell ends up pulling people who

[51:46] know Peter's identity from other

[51:48] universes uh into the 616 universe.

[51:51] Starting with Otto Octavius, Alfred

[51:52] Molina and Norman Osborne, William Defoe

[51:55] and Flint Marco, Thomas Hayden Church,

[51:57] Max Dylan, Jamie Fox, and Dr. Kurt

[51:59] Connor's uh Reciphants from the 2012

[52:02] film. They got all the save actors back.

[52:05] We call them the multiverse men in this

[52:07] movie. So Peter, MJ, and Ned have to

[52:08] work together to find and trap all these

[52:10] multiverse intruders in this dungeon

[52:12] under Strange's Sanctum Sanctorum.

[52:13] Doctor Strange preps a device to undo

[52:15] the spell that brought them here. But

[52:17] Peter then realizes that they're all

[52:19] going to die when they go back to their

[52:21] home reality. So he steals the device

[52:23] and Peter and Strange battle in the

[52:24] mirror dimension. Peter is able to

[52:26] defeat Doctor Strange just using basic

[52:28] calculus and geometry. Uh he escapes

[52:30] with the device. He's determined to save

[52:32] and uh save these multiversal travelers

[52:34] and takes everyone up to Happyy's

[52:36] apartment where he works with the others

[52:38] to try to cure them. But the Green

[52:39] Goblin identity takes over for Norman

[52:41] Osborne. Uh and that's what leads to

[52:44] this incredible Spidey sequence where

[52:46] the camera work is just really cool. I

[52:47] was I think

[52:48] >> so different than what we're used to in

[52:49] the Spider-Man movies.

[52:50] >> Yeah, I think my favorite

[52:52] >> brutal fight.

[52:53] >> A brutal fight. Just uh William Defo, I

[52:56] think deserved an Oscar nomination for

[52:57] this. He's just getting punched in the

[52:58] face and smiling more and more.

[53:00] >> Just crazy. Like you forget in, you

[53:02] know, in the first Spider-Man, he is

[53:03] making a super soldier serum. Like the

[53:05] big mcguffin of the MCU, it's kind of

[53:07] funny how precient it was all the way

[53:10] back in like 2000 for for them to

[53:12] establish that.

[53:13] >> It's so great. He throws a pumpkin

[53:15] grenade that ends up killing Aunt May.

[53:17] Yeah.

[53:17] >> And Marissa Toé hits him with with great

[53:20] power there must also come great

[53:21] responsibility.

[53:22] >> Correct.

[53:23] >> The original Stanley phrasing of the

[53:25] line. So Peter is

[53:26] >> and it's a good fake out, too, cuz you

[53:28] think she's going to be okay. She gets

[53:29] up, they're going to leave and then like

[53:31] >> turns around. She's got a big [ __ ]

[53:33] hole in her head.

[53:34] >> Her brains are oozing out like

[53:36] Targaryen.

[53:37] >> Yeah.

[53:37] >> Trying to seal it up.

[53:39] >> Uh uh. It wasn't velar. It was Bor. Why

[53:42] did I say velar?

[53:43] >> Spoiler alert.

[53:43] >> Yeah, spoiler if you watched N seven

[53:45] Kingdoms. U meanwhile, Ned uses a sling

[53:48] ring that he stole from Doctor Strange

[53:49] to open up another portal to just he

[53:52] wants to find Peter

[53:53] >> and he does, but it's not the Peter he's

[53:55] looking for. Turns out this is Andrew

[53:57] Garfield Peter Parker. And another

[53:59] sparkle portal opens and it's Tobey

[54:01] Magcguire Peter Parker. Yes, they had

[54:03] also got transported to this universe

[54:04] and have been around in this New York

[54:07] just wandering around for a few days.

[54:09] >> Um MJ and Ned take these other Peters to

[54:11] where our Peter is on the rooftop

[54:13] grieving Aunt May and they kind of talk

[54:14] him down from revenge. We get all these

[54:16] great little hints of what their lives

[54:18] have been like since we last saw them.

[54:20] Poor Andrew Garfield Peter Parker

[54:21] apparently got it got dark for him. stop

[54:23] stop started or stopped pulling his

[54:25] punches just [laughter]

[54:27] >> so then we uh get all three Peters

[54:29] working together on cures for their

[54:31] super villains in the science lab. We

[54:33] get the point meme that I now have on

[54:35] the shirt they recreated it from Into

[54:37] the Spider-Verse. Uh we find out that

[54:39] Toby McGuire Peter worked things out

[54:40] with his MJ, his Kurs and Dunce MJ that

[54:43] he beat the crap out of in Spider-Man 3.

[54:45] So it's kind of

[54:46] >> he claims he worked I mean he could be

[54:47] lying to you. I think we made a joke. I

[54:49] think Jess and I did that he straight up

[54:50] killed her and he's just saying, "Yeah,

[54:52] everything's fine."

[54:52] >> Oh, my MJ's fine. I don't know. You guys

[54:54] aren't going to come over to my

[54:55] universe right?

[54:57] >> Yeah. Uh, you have her blood underneath

[54:59] your fingernails. What the What did you

[55:01] do to her? Um, but then the Spider-Man

[55:03] stage a showdown at the Statue of

[55:05] Liberty that throughout the movie has

[55:06] been set up. They did a restoration

[55:07] project to its original copper. Um, and

[55:10] >> and they're adding a Captain America

[55:12] shield.

[55:12] >> A Captain America shield to it. It's

[55:14] insane.

[55:14] >> Do you think the French got a word on

[55:16] that? Like, you can't change it. They

[55:18] gave it as a gift. We can do it.

[55:20] >> It's a gift we gave you.

[55:22] >> Um, and then uh so they work together to

[55:25] try to cure these villains one by one.

[55:27] It's one of the greatest sequences where

[55:28] they're all working together. They're on

[55:29] the scaffolding talking about what life

[55:31] is like in their other dimensions.

[55:33] Really fun. Uh we learn there's

[55:35] comparing notes. They're like, "Wow, you

[55:37] fought Thanos. You fought a purple

[55:38] alien. That's crazy. I didn't have that

[55:39] in my dimension." He's like, "Well, I

[55:40] did have a villain or I did have an

[55:42] alien. It was called Venom." A lot of

[55:44] really fun references here. Um, and then

[55:47] in in these different little

[55:47] conversations, we have a moment where

[55:49] Andrew Garfield Spider-Man's talking to

[55:50] Jamie Fox saying like, "I think there's

[55:52] a black Spider-Man somewhere out there."

[55:54] Uh, they recreate the the Gwen Stacy

[55:56] fall where Andrew Garfield's able to

[55:57] catch MJ. It's so great. Get that

[56:00] healing moment where he's crying. She's

[56:02] like, "Are you okay?"

[56:03] >> Yeah.

[56:04] >> It's just one of the most incredible

[56:05] sequences. It's just so much payoff.

[56:07] >> Seeing like three live action

[56:09] Spider-Mans like working together,

[56:10] swinging off each other.

[56:11] >> Yeah. Figuring it out.

[56:13] >> Yeah. Yeah.

[56:13] >> Uh, kind of. I love I love that moment

[56:15] where they're like we I the other two

[56:17] are especially are like we don't know

[56:18] how to work with other heroes.

[56:20] >> He's like what's an adventure? Like it's

[56:21] so great. [laughter]

[56:22] >> And that's where like Tom Holland could

[56:23] step up and be like I know how to work

[56:25] as a team.

[56:26] >> Yes. And then they they're we see them

[56:28] learning throughout this battle of how

[56:29] to kind of work in sync with each other

[56:31] using their tingles to kind of to

[56:33] connect on their collective Wi-Fi. Uh

[56:35] the goblin though shows up destroys the

[56:37] device that Strange had. He stuffs a

[56:39] pumpkin grenade in there.

[56:40] >> That's a great

[56:41] >> great moment. the three different shots

[56:43] of them realizing it. Um, and it just

[56:45] causes this massive multiversal rift to

[56:47] rematerialize in the sky. Uh, for our

[56:50] Peter, uh, he's furious. He comes close

[56:52] to killing killing Norman Osborne, uh,

[56:55] with the glider. An incredible moment,

[56:58] but, uh, Toby comes in and just gives

[57:00] him that stern face.

[57:00] >> Yeah. Just holds it and him.

[57:03] >> So heartbreaking and wonderful. Peter

[57:05] realized that the only way to patch the

[57:06] rift is to have Strange just cast the

[57:08] original Runes of Cough Call spell

[57:09] again, even though it will cause

[57:10] everybody forget to forget who he is.

[57:13] So, after a tearful goodbye to MJ and

[57:14] Ned, the spell is complete. Everybody

[57:16] goes home. The the two there's a group

[57:19] hug, but the other two Peters go back

[57:20] home to their universes. Uh, and yeah,

[57:22] that does mean that like Norman Osborne

[57:25] is going to die. He's going to get hit

[57:26] by the glider when he goes back. That

[57:28] Auto Octavius is going to die in the

[57:30] river.

[57:30] >> You don't think it changes their

[57:32] outcomes when they get back? They just

[57:33] go back and they're like, "No, I'm good

[57:34] now."

[57:35] >> I think they have to just die. That was

[57:36] how things ended.

[57:37] >> But But Marco didn't die. Some of the

[57:40] the little species,

[57:42] >> he did die sometime later in the future.

[57:44] >> Yeah. Yeah.

[57:44] >> There's a little There's a little bit of

[57:46] like, you didn't just rewatch these

[57:48] movies [laughter]

[57:50] >> uh, so but Peter now ends this movie

[57:52] completely anonymous. He goes to MJ's

[57:55] doughnut shop. He tries to work up the

[57:56] nerve to explain to her that they knew

[57:58] each other, but he doesn't go through

[57:59] with it. But she still wears the broken

[58:01] black dollia necklace. So part of her

[58:02] still knows that she loves someone out

[58:04] there. This is all thing these are all

[58:06] things that gonna be picked up with in

[58:08] uh in Spider-Man Brand New Day. But yes,

[58:10] MJ and Ned do go to M MIT. Peter just

[58:13] gets his G from like a home test prep

[58:15] thing and gets a gets an apartment in

[58:17] the city. Um

[58:18] >> who's the landlord of this apartment? Is

[58:20] the door

[58:21] >> Mr. Ditco? Who knows?

[58:22] >> Is the door working? That's what I want

[58:24] to know. But he's got a new DIY suit

[58:25] that he designed based off of his other

[58:27] two Peter brothers that he met. Uh, and

[58:30] he's whipping in the snow despite being

[58:32] probably freezing his ass off. There's

[58:34] no Stark warmers in that listening to

[58:36] the police scanner. It's exciting. Um,

[58:37] but yes, let's not forget that in this

[58:39] movie there is a drunken Eddie Brock who

[58:41] uh who goes to a Mexican cantina that

[58:44] gets picked up with Venom: The Last

[58:46] Dance.

[58:47] >> Well, this was this was already

[58:49] answering the second Venom movie that

[58:51] zapped him into this universe. And Kevin

[58:53] Feige had to be like, "Get him out of

[58:55] here.

[58:57] >> Get him out of here."

[58:58] >> So, we got that [laughter] all gets

[59:00] answered. And the true postredit scene

[59:01] of this movie is a trailer for Doctor

[59:03] Strange in the Multiverse of Madness

[59:04] >> with with the crow that they got out OF

[59:06] THAT MOVIE. [screaming]

[59:09] >> UM, but yeah, it really did feel like,

[59:11] you know, this was the movie that proved

[59:13] to any of these COVID bleaguered Marvel

[59:16] fans that Endgame is not the end of the

[59:19] Marvel story,

[59:19] >> right? cuz we had had Shani come out

[59:22] during the pandemic and made 40 million

[59:24] that weekend. Eternals came out did not

[59:26] have like a huge weekend. Black Widow

[59:28] was on streaming. Like it's a whole

[59:30] thing

[59:31] >> and and Shani was beloved. Eternals was

[59:34] a little confusing. But like it was

[59:36] Spider-Man No Way Home. We had four

[59:38] Marvel movies that came out in 2021 and

[59:40] No Way Home was like, "Holy [ __ ] there

[59:43] is a multiverse saga that's happening.

[59:45] Doctor Strange is going to be the face

[59:46] of it. we're going straight into

[59:48] Multiverse of Madness where there are

[59:49] going to be X-Men in there. So, we all

[59:51] felt like uh and then that went into W

[59:53] division in the

[59:54] >> early back on track even though the

[59:56] trailer even is like I don't care about

[59:58] Westfield.

[59:59] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, it really felt

[1:00:00] like with Spider-Man No Way Home that

[1:00:02] felt like we're having a proper

[1:00:04] multiverse saga. Um so, like this movie

[1:00:07] being such a big Doctor Strange movie,

[1:00:09] we saw variants. We saw returning heroes

[1:00:11] of Tobey Magcguire and Andrew Garfield

[1:00:13] returning villains. It really felt like

[1:00:16] Marvel's actually doing this. We're

[1:00:18] going to have we're going to have a

[1:00:19] proper Secret Wars. And so now as we're

[1:00:21] looking at Doomsday, that's like No Way

[1:00:23] Home being as successful as it did is

[1:00:25] what proved to Marvel we can afford to

[1:00:26] bring back James Marsden and and and

[1:00:29] >> this works.

[1:00:30] >> Yeah. And Patrick Stewart, Ian Mckllen,

[1:00:32] all these guys, Marvel fans want to see

[1:00:33] them again with the Avengers.

[1:00:34] >> And it had worked. You know, you guys

[1:00:36] have covered it already like um uh Days

[1:00:38] of Future Past had kind of shown that

[1:00:40] too. That was a very successful X-Men

[1:00:42] movie in a time when like the X-Men

[1:00:44] movies were like bouncing around all

[1:00:45] over the place. So, it's like they

[1:00:46] definitely knew this would work. Was it

[1:00:48] after this movie where Feige cuz we were

[1:00:51] still doing like the phase 4 thing when

[1:00:54] Feige was like we're kind of done with

[1:00:55] phases. This is the multiverse saga now.

[1:00:58] Was that it was it after this movie when

[1:00:59] they kind of announced they were going

[1:01:00] to do Kang Dynasty and

[1:01:03] >> Secret Wars that like

[1:01:04] >> So, it was uh this movie comes out in

[1:01:06] December 2021. Back in 2021, we kept

[1:01:09] hearing like we don't know. COVID is we

[1:01:12] don't know,

[1:01:12] >> right? Because we were still told like

[1:01:14] Black Panther Wakanda Forever was the

[1:01:16] end of phase 4.

[1:01:17] >> Yeah, they stopped me was the beginning

[1:01:19] of phase five.

[1:01:20] >> They kind of stopped using phase four

[1:01:22] and five. Um well, we had San Diego

[1:01:25] Comic- Con in July of 2022.

[1:01:27] >> Yeah,

[1:01:28] >> they I it was around that time where

[1:01:29] they just switched to calling it the

[1:01:30] Multiverse Saga,

[1:01:31] >> but that's definitely as a result of how

[1:01:33] successful this movie was. And Doctor

[1:01:35] Strange in the Multiverse of Madness was

[1:01:37] very successful. It did very well.

[1:01:38] >> It did make a lot of money on Rooted

[1:01:40] Doomsday.

[1:01:41] >> We already did.

[1:01:42] >> Oh, I was I've been jumping through

[1:01:44] time.

[1:01:44] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um but but

[1:01:46] >> it hasn't come out [laughter] yet in my

[1:01:47] in my universe. We're shooting this a

[1:01:49] bit early, but uh yeah, the fact that

[1:01:51] this movie came together is almost kind

[1:01:52] of miraculous cuz after Far From Home

[1:01:55] came out in in September of 2019, you

[1:01:58] may remember all the reports of like the

[1:02:00] legal wrangling where talks broke down

[1:02:03] between Sony and and

[1:02:05] >> it did seem like it wasn't going to

[1:02:06] happen,

[1:02:07] >> right? They were like, "Endgame is over.

[1:02:09] Far From Home is over. We don't want to

[1:02:10] do this deal again.

[1:02:11] >> We want our Spidey Boy back." That all

[1:02:13] ended with Bob Iger personally calling

[1:02:15] Tom Holland back when he was still

[1:02:16] drinking and he was like in the pub and

[1:02:18] he answered the phone. He goes, "Yeah, I

[1:02:19] guess I'll come back." And that's what

[1:02:20] opened up the deals again so that like

[1:02:22] they could get this deal and it was a

[1:02:23] deal very much in Disney's favor.

[1:02:25] >> And that's how we got Bureau, folks. It

[1:02:27] was 2575%

[1:02:29] where Marvel would only um uh co-inance

[1:02:33] it for 25%. Sony would pick up the other

[1:02:36] 75% but then Marvel would um would like

[1:02:40] benefit uh in their favor and they would

[1:02:42] get to feature Spider-Man in their parks

[1:02:45] and they would get to like um get the

[1:02:48] merch. The merch was very much in their

[1:02:49] favor which is where all the money comes

[1:02:52] from. Anyway,

[1:02:52] >> Avengers Campus features a Spider-Man

[1:02:54] ride. They play the music from the

[1:02:56] Spider-Man series in Avengers Campus

[1:02:58] along with Ant-Man's music. Two good

[1:03:00] scores.

[1:03:01] >> Yeah, that's true.

[1:03:02] >> The great scores.

[1:03:03] >> Um, so it's it's Jacino, I believe, did

[1:03:05] the scores for both. Yeah.

[1:03:06] >> Yeah, he definitely did the Spider-Man

[1:03:07] Homecoming theme. And I believe he might

[1:03:10] have done the it's like the

[1:03:13] D.

[1:03:14] >> Yeah, that's like the Spider-Man one.

[1:03:15] And then the other one like it's a

[1:03:17] little Boppy one that's like Ant-Man.

[1:03:18] >> Yeah. Um, so while this is coming

[1:03:21] together, they they basically like I

[1:03:23] remember it was the middle of COVID and

[1:03:24] we're like, are there still movies

[1:03:25] coming out? [laughter] I was picking up

[1:03:27] a um a deep dish pizza from Masa in the

[1:03:30] middle of COVID and I saw the report

[1:03:31] that they are sticking to the release

[1:03:33] date of 2021 of September of December

[1:03:36] 2021. I'm like, how are they going to

[1:03:38] make this movie during CO? They found a

[1:03:39] way to shoot it during CO.

[1:03:41] >> Uh, and it all worked out. And I

[1:03:43] remember in like December of 2020,

[1:03:46] that's when he started to hear the

[1:03:47] rumors of like they're

[1:03:49] >> reopening some negotiations. We might

[1:03:52] see Toby and Andrew in this movie. I

[1:03:53] remember it was Collider who was kind of

[1:03:55] reporting it. There was other like

[1:03:57] scoopers saying that Kirsten Dunce and

[1:03:59] Emma Stone as well.

[1:04:00] >> There was like costume fittings

[1:04:02] happening that were getting leaked.

[1:04:04] >> Uh-huh. There was like they were talking

[1:04:05] to Alfred Molina and William Defoe.

[1:04:07] There was everything was being reported.

[1:04:09] No one knew what to believe. But then

[1:04:11] they announced the title, I believe in

[1:04:13] February of 2021 as No Way Home. And I

[1:04:16] remember on that dry erase board in the

[1:04:18] Marvel offices with Tom Holland and Zena

[1:04:20] and Jacob Adelon and we're like, "Okay,

[1:04:22] what are the clues being teased here?"

[1:04:24] Uh Andrew Garfield. People started there

[1:04:26] was like an Uber Eats delivery guy who

[1:04:29] said that I delivered uh something to

[1:04:31] this guy who looked like Andrew Garfield

[1:04:33] in an Atlanta hotel that was being

[1:04:35] denied. Andrew Garfield does a happy,

[1:04:37] sad, confused podcast with uh Joshua

[1:04:39] Horowitz. uh where he's talking about

[1:04:41] I'm not the werewolf and then later in

[1:04:44] the year as Andrew Garfield's doing

[1:04:45] promotions for Tick Tick Boom. Uh um uh

[1:04:48] Jimmy Fallon is asking him about it.

[1:04:50] There was a leak.

[1:04:51] >> Well, the image had leaked.

[1:04:52] >> There's a high quality 4K leak showing

[1:04:54] Andrew Garfield uh looking like I he's

[1:04:57] like I believe he's saying web blog, but

[1:05:00] he's saying web blood

[1:05:01] >> and he's he's got his arm out and he's

[1:05:03] on like a blue screen, but there's like

[1:05:04] the piece of the rebar that we would

[1:05:06] eventually see or Yeah. have a

[1:05:08] scaffolding from the Statue of Liberty

[1:05:09] >> and everyone's like, "This is too high

[1:05:11] quality of a leak. Did Sony do this on

[1:05:13] purpose?" Um, there was a YouTuber who's

[1:05:15] like, "No, I made it." And then

[1:05:16] everyone's like, "Wait, no, he did that

[1:05:18] as a prank.

[1:05:18] >> He made a video of how he how he made it

[1:05:21] that was actually fake." It was wild.

[1:05:23] Wild times.

[1:05:23] >> It was wild time. And then there was

[1:05:25] like John Campia posted a leak and where

[1:05:27] he's like, "Look at Toby's dick.

[1:05:28] >> He put his watermark on the leak, which

[1:05:30] was a bad idea." [laughter] John, Chad,

[1:05:32] what are you doing? Um, but it was just

[1:05:34] a wild time and we were all so excited.

[1:05:37] I remember being that was like a big

[1:05:38] part of like the new Rockstar channel in

[1:05:40] 2021 is we were making a lot of videos

[1:05:42] about like what's real, what's not. And

[1:05:44] eventually it started to look real. We

[1:05:46] started to look at the trailers. I

[1:05:47] remember the first trailer came out in

[1:05:48] August of 2021. Uh and there was a

[1:05:51] second trailer in November of 2021 where

[1:05:53] it looked like they very clearly

[1:05:54] scrubbed out the other two Peters

[1:05:56] swinging across the statue.

[1:05:57] >> Wasn't even like it was a like a Brazil

[1:05:59] version of like the Instagram video

[1:06:01] where they did a really bad job and you

[1:06:03] can see the lizards head move. the

[1:06:05] lizard's head recoiling to some

[1:06:06] invisible thing that kicked him. Um, but

[1:06:09] we also saw evidence of like just a shot

[1:06:11] of what looked like just um Tom Holland

[1:06:14] Peter landing on the Statue of Liberty's

[1:06:15] head. There were other two little blurry

[1:06:17] corners of that shot that we discovered

[1:06:19] like, oh, there was something else

[1:06:20] removed from this. Um, so it was just a

[1:06:23] fascinating time. The anticipation

[1:06:25] leading up to this movie was incredible.

[1:06:27] And then it did come out in December of

[1:06:29] 2021

[1:06:31] uh and broke all kinds of records.

[1:06:33] >> It was huge. It w and it was like one of

[1:06:35] the first times to be back at the movies

[1:06:36] and it was like packed in the theater.

[1:06:38] >> I mean when you watch this on Disney

[1:06:40] Plus there should be an option to turn

[1:06:41] on like canned screaming you know that

[1:06:44] would was happening in the theater and

[1:06:46] of all the releases I I believe I was

[1:06:48] surprised by Charlie Cox or like that

[1:06:51] information came out like the week of

[1:06:53] the movie it started leaking out that

[1:06:55] Charlie Cox makes an appearance in this

[1:06:56] movie. So it was like even of all the

[1:06:58] other things that were happening they

[1:06:59] were still sneaking in other surprises

[1:07:01] in this movie. his cane landing in the

[1:07:03] shot got just as big of a roar as as

[1:07:05] Toby and Andrew coming through the

[1:07:07] sparkle portals

[1:07:08] >> just wild. I mean the the fan service

[1:07:10] that this movie does

[1:07:11] >> and they're in you know I think I was

[1:07:13] surprised too by how long Toby and

[1:07:15] Andrew are in this movie. It's a lot of

[1:07:16] them.

[1:07:17] >> It's not just like a little bit. they're

[1:07:19] in like the second half of the movie

[1:07:20] >> and just having like long convers like

[1:07:22] watching it back again you're like wow

[1:07:24] there's just this kind of like long

[1:07:25] conversations where there's no action

[1:07:28] and they're just sitting around chatting

[1:07:29] and maybe that's part of like co

[1:07:30] production and stuff too but like it was

[1:07:33] just kind of nice to like have this fan

[1:07:35] service of like it's not just them

[1:07:37] fighting and then they're gone. It's

[1:07:38] like they're having these conversations

[1:07:39] about what it's like to be Spider-Man

[1:07:41] and what it means to them and like the

[1:07:43] simil similarities and the differences.

[1:07:45] Toby's tubes. He's got natural webbing

[1:07:47] coming out of his body and it shocks

[1:07:49] everybody

[1:07:49] >> and you're kind of pinching yourself

[1:07:51] while you're watching it because you've

[1:07:52] imagined this in your head seeing Tom

[1:07:54] Holland, Andrew and Toby all together

[1:07:56] talking

[1:07:56] >> just have comparing notes about what

[1:07:58] their parallel universes look like. And

[1:08:00] that feeling is the same feeling that

[1:08:02] we're going to have in Doomsday. Kind of

[1:08:04] pivot the conversation here to be like

[1:08:05] what No Way Home tells us about the

[1:08:07] multiverse for Doomsday. I really do

[1:08:09] think like it's not that uncanny to just

[1:08:12] bring back these actors and get so much

[1:08:14] great cinema

[1:08:16] >> by just having them talk to each other

[1:08:18] and talk about their parallel universes

[1:08:21] and then apply those power sets when

[1:08:24] they're in a battle against a common

[1:08:25] enemy. And I think that kind of that joy

[1:08:27] of seeing the three Peters learn to work

[1:08:29] together, to swing together, is the same

[1:08:31] kind of joy we're gonna feel when we see

[1:08:34] Cyclops and Reed Richards working

[1:08:36] together or Thor and Cyclops, Thor and

[1:08:38] Magneto doing collabs to fight Doombots.

[1:08:42] I think Marvel fig it was like a proof

[1:08:44] of concept in No Way Home that the Russo

[1:08:46] brothers are going to apply in Doomsday.

[1:08:47] >> Yeah. And this is stuff, this is what

[1:08:48] Foggies wanted to do from the very

[1:08:50] beginning all the way back uh to when

[1:08:53] they're doing Spider-Man and he's like

[1:08:54] working on that movie. And it's like you

[1:08:57] want or in San Ramy 2 wanted to bring in

[1:08:59] other characters and get them all mixed

[1:09:01] together uh and have, you know, not just

[1:09:04] like Spider-Man and his cadra of of

[1:09:07] heroes and villains, but also like put a

[1:09:09] mutant in there with them, you know, and

[1:09:12] it's finally all going to start really

[1:09:13] happening in Doomsday.

[1:09:15] >> Yeah. And I think like I guess the

[1:09:17] question I have is cuz we don't know if

[1:09:19] Doctor Strange is going to be in

[1:09:20] Doomsday. I have a feeling he will be.

[1:09:22] Uh he's one of these other Chris Evans

[1:09:24] types who just didn't get a chair, but

[1:09:25] like I do think we're going to have

[1:09:27] Doctor Strange either in the ending of

[1:09:29] Doomsday or somewhere in the middle of

[1:09:30] Doomsday to just help explain how these

[1:09:33] incursions happen for you know it's it's

[1:09:36] kind of been implied that like the

[1:09:37] incursions deal based on Multiverse of

[1:09:40] Madness. uh you know that using dark

[1:09:43] magic and dark energy like kind of leads

[1:09:45] to incursions in an interesting way and

[1:09:48] the fact that like Doctor Strange went

[1:09:49] off with Clea to deal with whatever and

[1:09:51] Dormamu and all that nonsense. I think

[1:09:53] it makes sense to have Doctor Strange be

[1:09:56] someone who is important to dealing with

[1:09:59] the multiverse. He knows how it can go

[1:10:01] wrong. He knows how to fix it. And

[1:10:03] especially what they did in What If, you

[1:10:04] know, showing how involved he was with

[1:10:07] like the multiverse there. I think it's

[1:10:08] important to have like a Doctor Strange

[1:10:10] figure because like Steve Rogers is not

[1:10:12] going to be able to figure all this out.

[1:10:13] Like you need Doctor Strange there to

[1:10:15] help with the kind of mystical cosmic

[1:10:18] side of it. Yeah.

[1:10:19] >> Uh and dealing with that problem.

[1:10:20] There's been some rumors that, you know,

[1:10:22] the way they were able to secretly get

[1:10:24] Tobey Magcguire into No Way Home that

[1:10:26] they might be able to secretly get Toby

[1:10:28] into Doomsday. I I don't think we're

[1:10:31] going to see Toby featured heavily in

[1:10:33] Doomsday, but I do think like if

[1:10:35] Doomsday ends with like the construction

[1:10:37] of Battle World, the apocalyptic

[1:10:39] construction of Battle World that we

[1:10:41] could see a glimpse at a version of

[1:10:44] Manhattan uh in Battle World or Spider

[1:10:47] Island that has like a a CGIed

[1:10:51] webslinger that is just Toby's suit.

[1:10:53] >> Uh and

[1:10:54] >> I think there's definitely a Spider-Man

[1:10:56] in the movie. I don't know if it's Tom

[1:10:58] Holland. It's probably not, but I you

[1:11:00] got to have a Spider-Man there. Even if

[1:11:03] they never show who it is and they just

[1:11:04] imply it through the suit design or if

[1:11:06] it's like I, you know, I said this in

[1:11:08] the Civil War podcast, if it's just like

[1:11:09] a weird cameo by another actor who's

[1:11:12] never played Spider-Man on screen, but

[1:11:14] like it's just implied, oh, he's from a

[1:11:16] different universe.

[1:11:17] >> Yeah.

[1:11:17] >> Uh, and this is him. And I do think I

[1:11:19] think they're holding this, you know, at

[1:11:21] this when we're recording this, you

[1:11:23] know, the Doomsday trailer has not come

[1:11:24] out. I think they want to get past

[1:11:26] Spider-Man Brand New Day before they

[1:11:28] release the Doomsday trailer wide and

[1:11:30] it's going to be a little different than

[1:11:31] what they showed at Comic- Con.

[1:11:33] >> Yeah.

[1:11:33] >> And I think there's just something at

[1:11:34] the end of Brand New Day that like keys

[1:11:36] us really sets us up for Doomsday cuz

[1:11:39] every MCU project since Brave New World

[1:11:42] has like been the postredits have been

[1:11:44] really hinting at Doomsday.

[1:11:46] >> I think since the Marvels, right?

[1:11:48] >> Oh, and yes, you're right. Even the

[1:11:49] Marvels. Yeah. Have been hinting at

[1:11:51] what's going to be happening in

[1:11:52] Doomsday. So, I think there's a very big

[1:11:55] one at the end of Brand New Day. I don't

[1:11:57] think the most of the movie deals with

[1:11:58] that. I think at the very end of it,

[1:12:00] there's something and then then they'll

[1:12:01] feel ready to release this Doomsday

[1:12:03] trailer, you know, less than six months

[1:12:05] out from when the movie's coming out.

[1:12:06] >> I think there has to be something at the

[1:12:08] end of Brand New Day. If it's not a

[1:12:09] scene, at least a full screen title that

[1:12:11] says Peter Parker will return in

[1:12:14] >> Avengers Doomsday or Secret Wars.

[1:12:17] >> I think it's going to be Doomsday. I

[1:12:19] think they'll say

[1:12:20] >> something. If they establish Battle

[1:12:22] World by the end of Doomsday, you have

[1:12:24] to explain where Spider-Man is.

[1:12:26] >> Yeah.

[1:12:26] >> You can't just start off Secret Wars and

[1:12:28] be like,

[1:12:29] >> I just think like I know the Russo

[1:12:32] brothers have been really weird and cy

[1:12:33] about marketing their stories or

[1:12:35] whatever it is.

[1:12:36] >> Like Marvel Studios looks at these

[1:12:38] Spider-Man movies as like the postredit

[1:12:40] scenes are always one for you, one for

[1:12:41] me. Sony does something to hint at

[1:12:44] whatever their next thing is going to

[1:12:45] be. Maybe it could even be beyond the

[1:12:47] Spider-Verse. You know, it could be

[1:12:49] something like next summer we're having

[1:12:52] this other event and Sony could use that

[1:12:53] moment to set up that, but I think

[1:12:55] there's gonna be some other postredit

[1:12:56] scene moment that just shows like what's

[1:12:58] next for Satie Sink's character, for

[1:13:00] Mark Ruffalo, for Peter Parker, for uh

[1:13:03] for John Bernthal's Punisher, like

[1:13:05] something that sets up like what's next

[1:13:08] in Marvel Studios.

[1:13:09] >> Is there like a mutant out there? If

[1:13:12] Sadink is a mutant, is there one from a

[1:13:14] different universe that is able to

[1:13:15] connect with her somehow? I don't know

[1:13:17] how uh and send a message to her that's

[1:13:20] important. Setting up what's happening

[1:13:22] in Doomsday.

[1:13:23] >> Yeah, I think um by the time you have

[1:13:25] seen by the time you're watching this

[1:13:27] episode, the the next trailer for

[1:13:30] Spider-Man Brand New Day has probably

[1:13:32] come out. Um but in that trailer, you

[1:13:35] really do do see more Sades Sinks power

[1:13:37] set. I like 90% certain she's Gan Gray.

[1:13:41] >> Um she has there's a toy leak that may

[1:13:43] be real, maybe AI, I don't know. But she

[1:13:46] the way the power set works of like

[1:13:48] jumping consciousness from person to

[1:13:50] person. There's only so many characters

[1:13:52] who marvel who matter to the future of

[1:13:54] Marvel. They're about to do the X-Men

[1:13:56] saga. Like it's a great X-Men to start

[1:13:58] with. And they've been really KG about

[1:14:01] FKA Jansen saying she's not coming back.

[1:14:03] >> Yeah.

[1:14:04] >> You know, in Doomsday and it's like why

[1:14:06] wouldn't you bring back

[1:14:07] >> Well, yeah. Fk Johnson is is like super

[1:14:10] critical to these other characters.

[1:14:11] specifically if you bring back James

[1:14:13] Marsden and Scott Summers like

[1:14:14] >> his gene is going to be really important

[1:14:16] to his life. So yeah, I think

[1:14:19] >> he's got a kid.

[1:14:20] >> We think we don't know.

[1:14:21] >> We think we assume.

[1:14:23] >> Um yeah, I think No Way Home um was a

[1:14:27] was an important test case for Marvel

[1:14:29] Studios of what it looks like to bring

[1:14:31] back previous franchise characters in an

[1:14:34] in universe multiverse story. And

[1:14:36] without No Way Home working as well as

[1:14:38] it did, you would never have Doomsday

[1:14:39] working like this. You would never have

[1:14:42] Marsden, Mckllen, uh Patrick Stewart, um

[1:14:46] uh Allan [ __ ] Kelsey Grammar, and

[1:14:49] Rebecca Roma coming back. Um you know,

[1:14:53] like just it it's too difficult for

[1:14:55] people to imagine. Uh but Kevin Feige, I

[1:14:57] think, has known all along that there

[1:14:58] are stories where this can work. And as

[1:15:01] big of fan service payoff as people feel

[1:15:04] like Endgame was, I think he's saying

[1:15:06] like, "Hold my beer." I think he's

[1:15:07] saying like

[1:15:09] >> we you have no idea how cool Battle

[1:15:10] World's going to work. It's there's

[1:15:12] going to be, you know, the film critics

[1:15:14] who say like, "What are these comic book

[1:15:16] movies?"

[1:15:16] >> Yeah. It doesn't make sense if you've

[1:15:18] never seen another Marvel movie. Okay.

[1:15:20] Well great.

[1:15:21] >> These movies are going to make billions

[1:15:22] of dollars. And I think like it's going

[1:15:24] to they're building the sandbox. I think

[1:15:26] literally The Void, as we see in

[1:15:27] Deadpool Wolverine, is a literal

[1:15:29] sandbox.

[1:15:29] >> And that's another great example of how

[1:15:31] well it worked. That movie made a

[1:15:32] billion dollars, you know? So, that's an

[1:15:34] R-rated movie. With all respect to the

[1:15:36] colleagues at the Ringer, Sean and

[1:15:38] Amanda, I love you guys and I think you

[1:15:40] guys are way smarter than I am in

[1:15:41] general when you talk about movies, but

[1:15:43] how down they sometimes are about the

[1:15:44] Marvel universe. I think these movies,

[1:15:47] there is a huge audience out there who

[1:15:48] really just wants to see the toys

[1:15:49] collide right?

[1:15:50] >> And I think that's what uh like Endgame

[1:15:54] didn't even show us that much of it, but

[1:15:56] Doomsday and I think Secret Wars will.

[1:15:58] And it's gonna be so huge and crazy that

[1:16:01] like we're all gonna be ready for just

[1:16:03] like a clean slate start over with just

[1:16:05] a mutant saga in an X mansion and

[1:16:07] Sentinels and [ __ ]

[1:16:08] >> Yeah, I agree.

[1:16:09] >> So, I think that's, you know, I think if

[1:16:11] any of these movies, if you look at

[1:16:13] Homecoming, Far From Home, No Way Home,

[1:16:16] certainly No Way Home in the way Doctor

[1:16:18] Strange talks about the multiverse is

[1:16:20] probably the most important to rewatch.

[1:16:22] Um but um to see Peter Parker's journey,

[1:16:26] I think these three movies are important

[1:16:27] to rewatch ahead of Brand New Day and

[1:16:30] and for whatever Tom Holland Peter has

[1:16:33] in store after Brand New Day. I think

[1:16:35] you do kind of need to have all three of

[1:16:37] these movies in the front of your mind.

[1:16:39] >> Yeah.

[1:16:40] >> Um all right, let's end with a box

[1:16:42] office challenge. Um

[1:16:44] >> I feel like I've done the challenge

[1:16:46] recently, so I kind of want to quiz you

[1:16:48] unless Unless you don't want to be

[1:16:49] quizzed.

[1:16:50] >> No, I would love to be quizzed. I would

[1:16:51] love to show my ignorance.

[1:16:52] >> Okay,

[1:16:53] >> it's getting on the internet.

[1:16:54] >> All right, starting with Spider-Man

[1:16:55] Homecoming. It came out on July 7th,

[1:16:57] 2017.

[1:16:58] >> Okay,

[1:16:58] >> so July 2017. Think of like summertime

[1:17:01] 2017. What other movies were coming out

[1:17:03] in June of 2017? But uh Spider-Man

[1:17:05] Homecoming won the domestic box office.

[1:17:07] We're only talking domestic here at $17

[1:17:10] million on July 7th, 2017. The number

[1:17:13] two movie

[1:17:15] um was a an animated

[1:17:20] threequ

[1:17:21] >> from uh Universal Elimination.

[1:17:23] >> Oh, so this is like a Despicable Me,

[1:17:26] >> correct? Do you know which Despicable

[1:17:27] Me?

[1:17:28] >> Is it Despicable Me 3 or is it Minion?

[1:17:31] >> Despicable Me 3 made $33.5

[1:17:34] million. It came out um I think the week

[1:17:37] before. It was like a late June.

[1:17:38] >> Well, I think we can all agree that's

[1:17:40] banana.

[1:17:41] >> Never banana. Um, number three at the

[1:17:44] box office was a June movie from um from

[1:17:48] the first Marvel director to part ways

[1:17:52] with the studio over creative

[1:17:53] differences.

[1:17:54] >> Edgar, Right.

[1:17:55] >> Correct. In his movie in June 2017 was

[1:17:58] >> Oh, no. Baby Driver.

[1:17:59] >> Baby Driver.

[1:18:00] >> A movie I enjoyed. A really good movie.

[1:18:03] >> One or two questionable actors.

[1:18:04] >> Three. Maybe three question. No, at

[1:18:06] least one or two.

[1:18:07] >> At least one.

[1:18:09] >> One's not John Ham, but he is in He's in

[1:18:12] it. Kevin Spacy's in it.

[1:18:14] >> Kevin Spacy's in it.

[1:18:15] >> And then the baby driver himself.

[1:18:18] Um

[1:18:19] >> though, I did like Tokyo Vice a lot.

[1:18:21] >> And I like Westside Story a lot.

[1:18:23] >> I Yeah, [clears throat] he's arguably

[1:18:24] the worst part of Westside Story.

[1:18:27] >> Um so that was number three at the box

[1:18:28] office. Number four was another

[1:18:31] superhero movie in uh summer 2017.

[1:18:34] >> Did Logan come out over the summer?

[1:18:36] >> It came out in March, so it was not in

[1:18:37] the top five year. M

[1:18:39] >> uh it was kind of like uh it gave

[1:18:43] confidence to the other big superhero

[1:18:46] franchise at the time that like oh the

[1:18:48] world building here is actually

[1:18:50] >> oh is this a DC movie?

[1:18:52] >> Uhhuh.

[1:18:54] >> 2017 is that Batman v Superman

[1:18:57] >> that came out the previous year 2016.

[1:18:58] This was a solo movie of a character in

[1:19:00] Batman v Superman.

[1:19:01] >> Oh Wonder Woman.

[1:19:03] >> Wonder Woman. Yes. Wonder Woman did

[1:19:04] pretty well. most of the Wonder Woman

[1:19:06] movies and one of the better DC movies.

[1:19:08] >> One of the better DC EU movies. Yeah.

[1:19:10] And then uh number five at the box

[1:19:12] office was, I believe, the fifth of uh a

[1:19:15] big Paramount CGI franchise.

[1:19:18] >> GI franchise.

[1:19:19] >> Um if you go to the Universal Studios,

[1:19:22] it's one of the rides at Universal

[1:19:24] Studios,

[1:19:24] >> but it's a Paramount movie.

[1:19:25] >> It's a Paramount release. Yeah.

[1:19:27] >> Oh, okay.

[1:19:28] >> It's It's other than Mission Impossible,

[1:19:29] Paramount

[1:19:30] >> Fast and Furious movie. Mhm. Fast is

[1:19:32] Universal. Universal.

[1:19:33] >> In addition to Mission Impossible, this

[1:19:35] is the other big Paramount franchise.

[1:19:37] >> Oh.

[1:19:39] >> Uh, past ones include Dark of the Moon.

[1:19:42] >> Oh, Transformers.

[1:19:43] >> Yes. The Transformers. Do you remember

[1:19:45] which Transformers this was?

[1:19:46] >> It's not. Transformers. Revenge of the

[1:19:49] Fallen. The Dark Knight or like the

[1:19:51] night

[1:19:52] >> the last night.

[1:19:52] >> The Last Night.

[1:19:53] >> Yes.

[1:19:54] >> That came [snorts] out I believe

[1:19:55] >> which is the one where like Chicago just

[1:19:57] gets destroyed.

[1:19:57] >> That's the third. That's Dark of the

[1:19:58] Moon. Darkest thing I've ever seen

[1:20:01] movie.

[1:20:01] >> You see poor Chicagoans just getting

[1:20:02] zapped.

[1:20:03] >> I mean, it is wild.

[1:20:04] >> All right, so let's look at the

[1:20:05] worldwide box office in 2017. Uh,

[1:20:08] Spider-Man Homecoming was not in the top

[1:20:10] five. It was number six. It made 880

[1:20:12] million.

[1:20:13] >> Um, what was the number one worldwide

[1:20:15] box office film in

[1:20:17] >> 2017?

[1:20:17] >> Yeah.

[1:20:20] >> Star Wars: The Last Jedi.

[1:20:22] >> Correct. $1.3 billion.

[1:20:25] >> Uh, number two was another Disney

[1:20:27] release. This was a liveaction remake.

[1:20:29] >> 2017 you're still doing

[1:20:32] Pirates movies, right?

[1:20:34] >> It's a live action remake of an animated

[1:20:36] film.

[1:20:36] >> Oh. Oh, in 2017 Beauty and the Beast,

[1:20:39] >> correct? Beauty and the Beast, the movie

[1:20:41] that an Arkite employee asked me to

[1:20:42] leave from.

[1:20:43] >> I mean, the autotuning on Hermione

[1:20:45] Granger in that movie. Oif

[1:20:47] [laughter]

[1:20:48] boy. But the guy, I always forget his

[1:20:50] name, but the guy who plays Gaston is

[1:20:52] Dan Steven. [clears throat]

[1:20:52] >> The most fun of that movie. He's the

[1:20:54] best.

[1:20:54] >> Oh, Gaston. I was thinking Beast is Dan

[1:20:55] Stevens. Beast is also a mess.

[1:20:57] >> Josh Gad is in that movie as Lefu.

[1:20:59] >> I hate Josh Gad so much. And I, you

[1:21:02] know, he's a fine Lefu. He's great.

[1:21:05] [clears throat]

[1:21:05] >> Openly bisexual Lefu.

[1:21:07] >> Yes. And I do like the addition that he

[1:21:09] when he says, "I'm just realizing I

[1:21:11] can't spell."

[1:21:13] That's a great line. But man, he drives

[1:21:15] me nuts.

[1:21:16] >> Anyways,

[1:21:17] >> EP uh the number three movie in the

[1:21:19] worldwide box office was a big Universal

[1:21:22] Heist movie franchise.

[1:21:24] >> Fast and Furious.

[1:21:25] >> Correct. Do you know which one it was?

[1:21:27] >> Eight.

[1:21:28] >> Fate of the Furious. Correct.

[1:21:29] >> I couldn't tell you what the subtitle

[1:21:30] was but

[1:21:32] >> uh number four at the box office was a

[1:21:33] movie that was number two at the weekend

[1:21:35] box office. So, it would the animated

[1:21:38] me. Yes. It made 1.0 billion.

[1:21:42] >> And then number five, the worldwide box

[1:21:44] office was kind of a surprise late in

[1:21:46] the year hit. Came out in December 2017.

[1:21:49] Big Sony franchise.

[1:21:50] >> You rocked in number five. Well, it was

[1:21:53] released and then most of the money came

[1:21:55] out was made in January, February, but

[1:21:56] it was um it's kind of started a

[1:21:59] >> it was like technically a legacy sequel

[1:22:02] with an allnew cast.

[1:22:03] >> Okay.

[1:22:04] >> And they're making a third one of these

[1:22:06] that's coming out this year. Huge movie

[1:22:09] for Sony

[1:22:11] >> 2017. Uhhuh. Yes. Sequel. I don't know.

[1:22:17] >> Um its title is an AC/DC song.

[1:22:21] Or it's it's this colon AC/DC song

[1:22:24] title.

[1:22:25] >> Oh, back in blank. [laughter]

[1:22:27] >> It's Jumanji Welcome to the Jungle.

[1:22:29] >> Oh. Oh gosh. Jumanji movies.

[1:22:31] >> Yeah, it was uh

[1:22:32] >> this is the This is the one with a Jonas

[1:22:34] in it. I think

[1:22:35] >> he does play a character in it, but it's

[1:22:39] Yeah, it's the Rock. It's

[1:22:40] >> Right. Right. Right. Yes. I'm familiar

[1:22:42] with the character Karen Gill.

[1:22:44] >> But this is the second one. Okay.

[1:22:45] >> It's the first one.

[1:22:46] >> This is the first one.

[1:22:47] >> Well, technically the first Janji.

[1:22:49] >> Well, yes. This is the the beginning of

[1:22:51] the

[1:22:51] >> cuz it's connected. Colin Hanks shows up

[1:22:54] in it at the end. Um, yes. So,

[1:22:56] >> but it's a video game now. It's no

[1:22:58] longer a movie.

[1:22:58] >> Now, it's a video game. And then the

[1:23:00] second movie is when you get in like Dan

[1:23:01] DeVito and

[1:23:03] >> um anyway, so that was 2017 in a

[1:23:05] nutshell. Moving on to 2019. Um, so

[1:23:08] Spider-Man Far From Home came out on

[1:23:10] July 5th, 2019. Now, there's something

[1:23:12] weird. They released it earlier in the

[1:23:14] week for the Fourth of July holiday. So,

[1:23:17] we're counting the whole week. Uh it

[1:23:18] made over the whole week $185 million.

[1:23:21] Did very well.

[1:23:23] >> Um

[1:23:24] >> but then the number two movie uh that

[1:23:27] weekend

[1:23:28] was a very like uh it it made a lot of

[1:23:34] money for for Disney.

[1:23:36] >> Okay.

[1:23:36] >> It was at the time

[1:23:40] the highest grossing movie for this

[1:23:41] animated studio.

[1:23:43] >> Oh, a Disney movie

[1:23:46] is Pixar. Yes, it's a Pixar movie. So,

[1:23:49] >> in 2019,

[1:23:55] >> not Cars 3. No, it's later than that.

[1:23:57] >> It was to date.

[1:23:59] >> Oh, it's a Toy Story.

[1:24:00] >> Yeah, Toy Story 4. Yeah. Um,

[1:24:02] >> incredible. Better than Toy Story 4.

[1:24:04] >> Toy Story 4. Um, yes.

[1:24:06] >> I mean, I hate Forky.

[1:24:07] >> Even though it came out in uh like two

[1:24:09] weekends before, still made $33 million

[1:24:11] this weekend.

[1:24:12] >> It's a gorgeous film.

[1:24:13] >> Yeah. Um, the number three movie is a

[1:24:16] strange uh Universal Danny Bole movie

[1:24:19] about almost kind of like a a what if

[1:24:23] type movie that was famous.

[1:24:24] >> Oh, is this um uh the the Beatles movie?

[1:24:27] Uh stupid. Uh yesterday.

[1:24:29] >> Yesterday. Yes. The movie that got a

[1:24:31] lawsuit to Universal Studios because Ana

[1:24:33] Armis was in a trailer for the movie and

[1:24:34] her scene was cut from the movie. The

[1:24:36] false advertising it was sued.

[1:24:38] >> Yeah. I was waiting for an Armist and

[1:24:40] all I got was Ed Sheeran. [laughter]

[1:24:43] Um, number four was a um, let's see.

[1:24:47] This was a James Juan horror franchise.

[1:24:50] >> Oh god, I won't know these. Is this in

[1:24:52] the Insidious Verse?

[1:24:54] >> It um,

[1:24:55] >> or is this an Annabelle?

[1:24:56] >> Yes, it is an Annabelle. It's Annabelle

[1:24:58] Comes Home.

[1:24:59] >> I definitely didn't see it. Too scary

[1:25:01] for me.

[1:25:02] >> And then number five was another big

[1:25:04] liveaction Disney remake that came out

[1:25:07] in 2019. Another billion dollar movie.

[1:25:10] 2019 was the movie with the $9 billion

[1:25:13] movies.

[1:25:13] >> Yes, this is one of them. It came out

[1:25:15] earlier in June. And

[1:25:16] >> so there's Aladdin.

[1:25:17] >> Aladdin. Correct.

[1:25:18] >> I could not get through that.

[1:25:20] >> The guy Richie Aladdin. Yeah.

[1:25:21] >> Very bad. Will Smith.

[1:25:23] >> So bad.

[1:25:24] >> Okay. So 2019, I think, was like a peak

[1:25:26] year for box office worldwide,

[1:25:28] >> right?

[1:25:29] >> But I think you can know what the number

[1:25:31] one

[1:25:31] >> Rise of Skywalker has got to be number

[1:25:32] one. No.

[1:25:33] >> Oh no,

[1:25:34] >> it's not.

[1:25:34] >> It's not crazy. Rise of Skywalker not

[1:25:37] even in the top five.

[1:25:38] >> But it still made a billion dollars.

[1:25:39] >> It did.

[1:25:39] >> Oh my gosh. But what's the highest

[1:25:41] grossing movie of all time?

[1:25:42] >> Avatar. No. Of all time.

[1:25:46] >> Yeah. Or at least it's like number two

[1:25:47] now.

[1:25:48] >> Oh. Aven. Oh, Avengers Endgame.

[1:25:50] >> Avengers Endgame made 2.8 billion

[1:25:52] worldwide. Uh number two was a different

[1:25:56] Disney liveaction animated movie or

[1:25:58] liveaction

[1:26:00] >> remake.

[1:26:00] >> Remake. So it's not Aladdin. What else

[1:26:03] did they do in 2019?

[1:26:04] >> It came out early.

[1:26:05] >> Dumbo or like No.

[1:26:08] Um,

[1:26:11] was it a a modern movie or a older

[1:26:15] animated movie?

[1:26:16] >> It was a more modern animated movie.

[1:26:18] This remake was directed by John Favro.

[1:26:21] >> Oh, it's not Jungle Book. It's

[1:26:25] >> Lion King.

[1:26:26] >> Lion King. Correct. Lion King made 1.6

[1:26:28] >> John

[1:26:29] >> billion dollars. Stop calling those live

[1:26:32] action. That was a fully animated movie.

[1:26:34] >> I know. I agree.

[1:26:35] >> There's no live animal in that movie.

[1:26:37] Um, number three at the worldwide box

[1:26:39] office was an animated sequel to a

[1:26:42] gamecher movie that came out in 2014.

[1:26:45] >> Okay.

[1:26:45] >> Uh, this sequel came out in 2019.

[1:26:48] >> Okay.

[1:26:49] >> Disney animation.

[1:26:50] >> Uh, it's not Frozen, but it's Frozen.

[1:26:53] >> It's Frozen 2. Yeah. Made 1.4 billion.

[1:26:55] >> Oh, the Ice Horses.

[1:26:56] >> Uh-huh. Uh, number four was Spider-Man

[1:26:58] Far From Home. Okay. Made 1.13 billion.

[1:27:01] >> That's crazy.

[1:27:02] >> Um, number five

[1:27:04] was Another Marvel movie. Another Marvel

[1:27:07] movie,

[1:27:07] >> another MCU movie made a billion dollars

[1:27:08] that year.

[1:27:10] >> Is it Captain Marvel?

[1:27:11] >> Correct. Was the fifth highest grossing

[1:27:14] movie. It outgrowth The Rise of

[1:27:15] Skywalker.

[1:27:15] >> I I remember I used to we used to go see

[1:27:18] the the Friday night releases of Marvel

[1:27:20] movies at the Ark Light at 8:00 p.m. Fei

[1:27:22] would always show up uh and usually they

[1:27:24] have like some of the cast, some of the

[1:27:26] crew there or some cast members there. I

[1:27:29] remember being there for Infinity War

[1:27:30] before the movie started and Tom Holland

[1:27:32] came out and said, "I'm alive." And

[1:27:34] everyone went, "What?" And he went,

[1:27:35] "What? You guys haven't seen the movie

[1:27:37] yet?" And it's like, "What do you think

[1:27:38] this is, Tom? You think we sat through

[1:27:39] the movie and we're just sitting here.

[1:27:40] We're waiting for it." Anyways, uh we

[1:27:43] were there for Captain Marvel. Uh Feige

[1:27:44] wasn't there. It was just the directors.

[1:27:46] And they came out and they were like,

[1:27:48] "Hi."

[1:27:49] >> And then they kind of left.

[1:27:50] >> Does anyone remember who directed the

[1:27:51] Marvel?

[1:27:52] >> It's two people, a man and a woman. And

[1:27:54] I don't remember their names.

[1:27:56] >> They're great.

[1:27:57] >> And that was the movie that the Marvel

[1:27:59] title thing has all Stanley in. It's

[1:28:00] very sweet.

[1:28:01] >> Yeah.

[1:28:01] >> Um

[1:28:02] >> because we had no more Stanley. So 2021

[1:28:04] was an odd time.

[1:28:05] >> Yeah.

[1:28:05] >> Uh but in December of 2021, these are

[1:28:08] all movies that you'll recognize and

[1:28:09] remember. At this point, a lot of movie

[1:28:11] theaters have begun to reopen.

[1:28:13] >> Um Spider-Man No Way Home obviously had

[1:28:16] I think one of the biggest opening

[1:28:17] weekends ever, if not the biggest.

[1:28:18] Spider-Man No Way Home opening weekend

[1:28:20] domestic made $260 million

[1:28:22] >> in December of 2020.

[1:28:24] >> Is that like is it a fiveday thing

[1:28:26] they're doing? It came out on a

[1:28:27] Wednesday or

[1:28:28] >> It came out like a Friday. Like Thursday

[1:28:30] night Friday.

[1:28:31] >> Crazy.

[1:28:32] >> Yeah. Um, okay. So, but the

[1:28:33] >> I mean I remember you would go to the

[1:28:34] movie theater and it was just like all

[1:28:36] Spider-Man.

[1:28:37] >> All Spider-Man. Yeah. I mean this is the

[1:28:38] movie they could say Top Gun Maverick

[1:28:40] saved movies in summer 2022.

[1:28:42] >> This saved movies.

[1:28:43] >> This is the This is the movie that saved

[1:28:45] movies concept still works.

[1:28:47] >> Yes. Um the number two movie um I

[1:28:50] remember it being a Disney streaming

[1:28:53] release but it was a Disney theatrical

[1:28:56] release as well. Um it was like the

[1:29:00] November

[1:29:01] Disney animated um movie. Um

[1:29:06] >> Oh, it's incontto.

[1:29:07] >> Incontto.

[1:29:08] >> Yeah, cuz it it did come out in theaters

[1:29:09] and no one and it was a big word of

[1:29:12] mouthther like no this is very good and

[1:29:14] the songs are catchy and then the songs

[1:29:16] started catching it

[1:29:16] >> and movie theaters had opened uh

[1:29:18] internationally and KTO did great

[1:29:20] globally did very well for Disney. Um

[1:29:22] the number three movie was another

[1:29:24] musical

[1:29:25] >> Westside Story.

[1:29:26] >> Correct. That movie is great. Beginning

[1:29:28] of like I think Spielberg was like back,

[1:29:31] baby, you know what I mean? Uh I'm

[1:29:34] excited for Disclosure Day, but I'm also

[1:29:36] >> keep my fingers crossed cuz I I mean

[1:29:39] >> Spielberg is incredible. There's so his

[1:29:41] legacy is untouchable, whatever. But

[1:29:44] like those early 2000 movies I love so

[1:29:46] much. Uh like Minority Report and if

[1:29:48] you've never seen his version of War of

[1:29:50] the Worlds, it is so good. It is so

[1:29:51] dark. It's great. Check it out. Uh but

[1:29:54] yeah, and then I think he had a little

[1:29:55] slump, but this was Westside Story was

[1:29:57] great.

[1:29:57] >> The Fableman's eraser will never be

[1:29:59] forgiven.

[1:30:00] >> No, I I think the Fable Men's is also

[1:30:01] that came after Westside Story. Um but

[1:30:04] it it's really good except for Alden

[1:30:06] Eric or whatever. He's just so

[1:30:08] >> What do you mean recent Toby award?

[1:30:10] Alden Erin Reich is in what are you

[1:30:12] talking about?

[1:30:13] >> The guy who plays Tony in

[1:30:15] >> You're thinking of Anel Elgor.

[1:30:17] >> Anel Elgore. I'm sorry.

[1:30:18] >> Alden Arin Reich just won a Tony.

[1:30:19] >> I know those in Oppenheimer. apologies

[1:30:23] to him.

[1:30:24] >> But Alden Arin Reich also I believe got

[1:30:26] in a fight at the

[1:30:28] >> well crazy story with Alden Arin Reich

[1:30:30] that Berg might be able to tell you

[1:30:32] better. Uh he got some bad press I

[1:30:34] believe at um Sundance Film Festival for

[1:30:37] drinking and getting into a physical

[1:30:40] altercation with like a publicist. But

[1:30:42] is this publicist is has a bad

[1:30:44] reputation herself for like starting

[1:30:45] fights with people. So who knows who

[1:30:47] knows really what happened. Um uh happy

[1:30:49] to see Alden get his Tony. He deserved

[1:30:51] it. Congratulations.

[1:30:52] >> Um, number four at this December 2021

[1:30:55] box office is another

[1:30:57] >> interesting

[1:30:59] legacy [clears throat] sequel that

[1:31:00] restarted similar to Jumanji started a

[1:31:03] new franchise that it got a sequel.

[1:31:05] >> Sonic

[1:31:06] >> it was a Sony franchise. Okay.

[1:31:09] >> Sonic was Paramount. Um,

[1:31:11] >> it uh was kind of a legacy sequel that

[1:31:14] has some controversial use of AI or not

[1:31:16] AI, controversial use of CGI to

[1:31:18] resurrect a dead actor as a ghost.

[1:31:20] >> Oh. Oh, Ghostbusters.

[1:31:22] >> Ghostbusters Afterlife. Yes,

[1:31:23] >> definitely questionable.

[1:31:24] >> Yeah. And then

[1:31:25] >> didn't say anything at least.

[1:31:26] >> The fifth movie I do not remember being

[1:31:28] out in theaters, but it was

[1:31:30] >> okay.

[1:31:30] >> I remember it as a Netflix movie that I

[1:31:32] watched later.

[1:31:33] >> Oh, it's this is not Knives Out was not

[1:31:37] Netflix yet.

[1:31:38] >> No,

[1:31:39] >> it was still on its own.

[1:31:40] >> It's a movie that I remember you doing

[1:31:42] lots of bits about.

[1:31:45] Red. No,

[1:31:47] [laughter]

[1:31:48] >> I don't want to say the closing the

[1:31:50] closing line of the movie is something

[1:31:51] that we've clowned on. And clown is a

[1:31:54] term I'm using with a double meaning

[1:31:57] here.

[1:31:57] >> Closing line of the movie.

[1:31:58] >> A movie that you could say is about

[1:32:00] caries.

[1:32:02] Uh oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. I'll geek.

[1:32:08] >> Mister. I was born for it. [laughter]

[1:32:11] >> The movie.

[1:32:12] >> Nightmare Alley.

[1:32:12] >> Nightmare Alley. movie is great.

[1:32:15] >> It's very good.

[1:32:16] >> It's very good.

[1:32:17] >> I definitely did not watch it in

[1:32:18] theaters unfortunately, but it's

[1:32:19] beautiful. Aro Deltomo drawing. But Mr.

[1:32:22] I was born for it, man. And that is a

[1:32:24] remake of a classic movie, too.

[1:32:26] >> Yes. An old an old movie. Um, so the

[1:32:30] worldwide box office in 2021 is quite

[1:32:32] weird because um Spider-Man No Way Home

[1:32:35] made $1.9 billion. I believe it remains

[1:32:37] a top five alltime highest grossing

[1:32:40] movie. But the number two and number

[1:32:41] three movies, I'll be surprised if you

[1:32:42] know them. They're Chinese films.

[1:32:44] >> Oh, okay.

[1:32:44] >> That both did incredibly well.

[1:32:47] >> Yeah.

[1:32:47] >> Um,

[1:32:48] >> is one of them an anime one that had a

[1:32:51] sequel recently that made like $2

[1:32:53] billion?

[1:32:53] >> Jay not. No, it's not. It's They're both

[1:32:55] live action movies.

[1:32:56] >> Oh, okay. Then I probably have no idea.

[1:32:58] >> The number two movie was the Battle of

[1:33:00] Lake Shanhin.

[1:33:01] >> No,

[1:33:01] >> sorry if I'm mispronouncing that. $900

[1:33:03] million. And then a movie called High

[1:33:05] Mom. Uh that was kind of like an

[1:33:08] interesting family,

[1:33:10] not romantic, but an interesting family

[1:33:12] kind of comedy story. Um I have not seen

[1:33:14] either movie.

[1:33:15] >> Uh but that made $822 million.

[1:33:18] >> Okay.

[1:33:18] >> Uh but you'll know the number four and

[1:33:20] number five worldwide movies. One was

[1:33:23] kind of the ending of a big huge uh era

[1:33:26] of a franchise that um it ends with like

[1:33:29] the main hero who had played this iconic

[1:33:32] role.

[1:33:33] >> His life ends in this movie. M

[1:33:36] >> it's kind of like it's actually the the

[1:33:38] this is probably the longest running

[1:33:41] film franchise.

[1:33:42] >> Oh, is this Bond? This is uh No Time To

[1:33:45] Die.

[1:33:45] >> Correct. No Time To Die. Uh made $774

[1:33:48] million.

[1:33:49] >> It was

[1:33:50] >> worldwide. We forget that the 007 movies

[1:33:52] are international gangbusters

[1:33:54] performance.

[1:33:55] >> Really? Well,

[1:33:56] >> uh the number five movie is another huge

[1:33:59] franchise, the ninth of this heist

[1:34:01] franchise. another Fantastic 4 or um uh

[1:34:05] Fast and Furious, sorry.

[1:34:07] >> Yeah, it was Fast and Furious. Fast

[1:34:08] Nine, the Fast Saga.

[1:34:10] >> Is that what that one was called? The

[1:34:11] Fast Saga.

[1:34:12] >> So, it was the follow-up to Fate of the

[1:34:13] Furious.

[1:34:14] >> The Mimoa one or is he in a couple of

[1:34:16] them?

[1:34:17] >> He joins in Fast 10.

[1:34:19] >> Okay.

[1:34:20] >> I cannot remember which I don't know if

[1:34:22] I even saw Fast N.

[1:34:23] >> I I have, you know, I've seen like the

[1:34:25] first three definitely. I've seen the

[1:34:28] one where they steal the safe and drive

[1:34:31] it around

[1:34:32] >> five.

[1:34:34] >> I think I saw seven where CGI Paul

[1:34:37] Walker drives off, right? Is that seven?

[1:34:39] >> I don't know. They're just like tough.

[1:34:41] >> That is a Furious 7.

[1:34:42] >> Is that where they go to space, too? Or

[1:34:44] did that happen later?

[1:34:45] >> Um, so I believe this is the one where

[1:34:48] uh uh um what's his face?

[1:34:53] >> Everyone's in these movies, so I don't

[1:34:54] know.

[1:34:54] >> They all join them. This is um uh

[1:34:57] >> like Helen Mirren's in these movies,

[1:34:58] right?

[1:34:59] >> Yes. John Cena joins the cast in this

[1:35:01] movie.

[1:35:03] >> Uh we've already had

[1:35:04] >> The Rock's already in it.

[1:35:05] >> The Rock's been in it for

[1:35:07] >> Jason's already in it. They've already

[1:35:08] >> joined in Fate of the Fury along with

[1:35:10] Helen

[1:35:11] >> Mir. Yeah.

[1:35:12] >> Yeah. Uh okay. I

[1:35:14] >> I think I think Jake Sully as an Avatar

[1:35:17] shows up in this movie. He checks in

[1:35:19] from Pandora.

[1:35:20] >> So that's what it is. Uh John Cena joins

[1:35:23] us as Jacob Tretto, Dom's brother. Oh,

[1:35:25] yes. So, he's

[1:35:27] >> We have to get all of the resolution.

[1:35:29] Yeah. His windshield wipers are just his

[1:35:30] hand doing this, I think, in the movies.

[1:35:33] >> Uh, so we'll leave it there in this

[1:35:34] extended episode of The Road to

[1:35:36] Doomsday. Brandon, it's been great

[1:35:38] having you back.

[1:35:38] >> What a pleasure. Thank you so much for

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