Do you think poop smells bad?
48sThe clip starts with a provocative, relatable question about smell, challenging viewers' perceptions of evolution and survival instincts.
▶ Play ClipThis video explores the gene-centric view of evolution, popularized by Richard Dawkins in 'The Selfish Gene,' arguing that natural selection operates at the level of genes rather than individuals or species. It uses simulations and examples like altruistic behavior in squirrels to explain how genes can promote self-sacrifice if it helps copies of themselves survive. The video also addresses criticisms including genetic drift, the complexity of gene interactions, and the danger of attributing agency to genes.
Asking if poop smells objectively bad reveals whether someone understands evolution: flies find it good because it's nutritious, but humans evolved to find it repulsive to avoid deadly bacteria.
Worker bees sting predators, sterile ants work for the colony, and squirrels give alarm calls—all seemingly against individual survival. This challenges the idea that natural selection favors the fittest individual.
Simple molecules combine into more stable compounds. The first replicator arose spontaneously when a shape attracted complementary blobs, enabling self-copying. This marks the birth of evolution.
Mistakes in replication create variants. In a simulated void, replicators compete; those with higher replication rates, lower death rates, and lower mutation rates tend to dominate.
Replicators evolved protective barriers, propulsion, and complex scaffolding, eventually becoming bacteria and all life. Genes are the modern replicators, using bodies as survival machines.
A gene is long enough to influence a trait but stable enough to be faithfully copied. Smaller units like nucleotides lack traits; larger units like chromosomes get shuffled. Thus, genes are the fundamental unit of natural selection.
California ground squirrels give alarm calls even at personal risk because they share genes with relatives. Saving two siblings (each sharing 50% of genes) can outweigh the loss of the caller, preserving the gene copies.
Many genes are invisible to selection; their frequency changes by chance (genetic drift). In simulations, less fit genes can spread randomly, challenging the idea that every gene is optimally selected.
Genes do not 'want' or 'conspire'; they are just molecules that replicate. The selfish gene metaphor is a simplification, not a literal description of intent.
One gene can affect many traits, and traits are influenced by many genes plus environment. Despite this complexity, any gene that affects survival and reproduction is subject to selection.
The gene-centric view of evolution, despite its controversies, provides a powerful lens to understand altruism, competition, and the diversity of life. While genes do not have agency, their differential replication drives all evolutionary change.
"Title accurately reflects the controversial gene-centric view of evolution, which is the core of the video."
What is the 'weird question' that reveals understanding of evolution?
Asking if poop smells objectively bad. Flies find it good (nutrients), humans find it repulsive (avoid bacteria).
Why is altruism a problem for 'survival of the fittest individual'?
Altruistic acts (e.g., worker bees stinging, squirrels giving alarm calls) reduce individual survival but are common in nature.
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What is the 'law of stability' in the context of early replicators?
Unstable compounds fall apart; stable ones endure and accumulate.
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What three traits govern replicator success in the simulation?
Death rate (chance of falling apart), replication rate (chance of copying), and mutation rate (chance of a mutated copy).
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Why is the gene considered the unit of natural selection?
A gene is long enough to influence a trait but stable enough to be faithfully copied; smaller units lack traits, larger units get shuffled.
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How does kin selection explain altruistic alarm calls in ground squirrels?
Squirrels share genes with relatives. Sacrificing oneself to save two siblings (each sharing 50% of genes) can preserve more copies of the gene than the individual alone.
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What is genetic drift?
Random changes in gene frequency due to chance, not selection. It can cause less fit genes to spread.
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What is a major criticism of the 'selfish gene' metaphor?
It implies genes have agency or intent, but they are just molecules that replicate without purpose.
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Why might sex have evolved from a gene's perspective?
Genes that regulate sexual reproduction benefit from it, even if it's a net negative for other genes in the genome.
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Poop smell test for evolution understanding
A simple, memorable example that illustrates how evolved preferences are shaped by survival.
Mutations create variation in replicators
Explains the raw material for natural selection in a clear, simulated environment.
07:56Gene as unit of selection
Provides a precise definition and justification for why genes, not individuals or species, are the fundamental unit.
17:04Kin selection explains altruism
Resolves the apparent paradox of altruistic behavior using gene-centric logic.
19:44Genetic drift challenges pan-selectionism
Highlights a key limitation of the selfish gene framework: not all genes are optimally selected.
23:06[00:00] If you want to know if someone really understands evolution, just ask them this one weird question. Oh, gosh. Trash-
[00:13] Because of the chemicals? Yeah. Well, that's a different question entirely. Do you think it objectively smells bad?
[00:25] How do you think it smells to flies? Animals love stinky things. Poop smells good to flies because poop is full of nutrients.
[00:39] But it's also full of bacteria that can be life-threatening to humans. if anyone ever thought it smelled good,
[00:51] they would probably get really sick, die, and not pass on their genes. But survival of the fittest what? as being about the survival of the fittest individual animal.
[01:06] Animal. Okay, so it's like an individual. I mean, individuals best adapted to their environment have increased odds of survival, So it follows that each individual should do everything it can to survive and reproduce.
[01:24] But if that's true, then how do you explain this? Worker bees will sting predators to protect the hive, Female worker ants are sterile,
[01:40] but regardless, they work for the colony for their entire lives until they die. Monkeys adopt orphans, wolves bring meat to non-hunting members of the pack,
[01:52] and squirrels can let out alarm calls to warn others about nearby predators. why do we observe so much altruism in nature?
[02:05] I think generally the species. But survival of the fittest species or the fittest group also doesn't work.
[02:17] I mean, think about what you need for natural selection to occur. You need something that replicates itself many times over, creating copies, whereby some of those copies get eliminated and some thrive to go on and create more copies.
[02:33] The problem with groups or species is that they don’t typically make copies of themselves. other copies of groups to see which groups win out.
[02:45] So if it's not survival of the fittest individual and it's not survival of the fittest group, Well, to explain that, I want to take you on a little journey, all the way back to the beginnings of the Earth.
[03:06] Well, not really nothing, but nothing interesting. This one might be a carbon dioxide molecule, or it might be cyanide.
[03:19] but we do know that these compounds are very simple. So for now, they'll just be blobs floating around our void. In fact, much of what we'll encounter along our journey here are just hypotheses.
[03:31] so keep that in mind. maybe from a ray of UV light or a nearby hot source. This is the first major upgrade to our void, excess energy,
[03:46] And most of the time, this interaction leads to nothing, but sometimes these blobs can combine into more complicated compounds. Here's a simple simulated example, where we only have four red blobs.
[04:01] Right now, they are all individual particles, but each time step we move forward, let's say there's a 10% chance that all four combine into one red mega-blob. For every time step it's alive,
[04:16] it has a 95% chance of falling apart back into the four smaller blobs. If we add more of these red blobs into the mix, you'll notice that they rarely ever come together. On average, a mega-blob only exists around 10% of the time.
[04:31] But if we were to reduce the chances of the mega-blobs dissolving to only 1%, the void would suddenly be filled with them. the law of stability.
[04:45] Unstable blobs fall apart and vanish. Stable ones endure. maybe a couple of years per second, maybe even a couple million.
[04:58] so they combine with others to form more complex compounds. by pure chance,
[05:11] you get a compound that is more stable than the blobs it's made of. This doesn't happen because the blobs want to build more complex structures. It's just because these new configurations happen to be more favorable in the environment.
[05:24] And now when these complicated compounds become abundant enough, making our void increasingly complex. this causes an extremely unique shape to form,
[05:39] See, the blobs it's made of just happen to attract similar blobs from the surrounding environment. and this purple blob always attracts yellow ones,
[05:53] until their counterparts suddenly snap into position next to the original shape. Its green blobs attract red ones
[06:05] and yellow ones attract the purple until another shape yet again snaps into position. What just happened fully spontaneously is replication.
[06:19] This marks the birth of the first replicator. It might've been a single standalone molecule There's a lot of debate on this today,
[06:35] How about this one here? Keep in mind it's still just a lifeless molecule, one without any intent or purpose.
[06:48] Now, you might think that the chances for the replicator to form were extremely unlikely, but in our void, where we have hundreds of millions of years to play with, what might seem impossible to us becomes virtually inevitable.
[07:00] And the thing is, the replicator only has to arise once. it can take the simpler compounds available in the environment to copy itself at a much faster pace. until it entirely fills our void.
[07:16] but there is a flaw in the process. one of its copies makes a mistake. Perhaps a stray ray of UV light hits it during the replication process,
[07:31] or the replicator uses a building block it wasn't supposed to. which is slightly different from its parent, and so its properties might be slightly different too.
[07:44] For example, it might make the copy less stable. It could be beneficial, making the copy better at replicating, not changing the replicator in any meaningful way.
[07:56] mutation. and what they do is they replicate themselves. and so our void turns into a battleground.
[08:13] So which replicator will win? What kind of properties will the void favor? Well, let's try to simulate what happens. or need a place to run your own code
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[09:49] Thanks to Hostinger for sponsoring this part of the video, and now back to our simulation. let's assign simplified traits to each of the replicators, starting with the first one.
[10:01] since it's the only one that can form spontaneously from smaller building blocks. so let's set the chance of formation to 1% per time step.
[10:15] Just keep in mind we're just making these numbers up. The simulation is purely illustrative. let's say it's governed by three key traits. the chance of it falling apart or being destroyed with each time step.
[10:29] Second, a replication rate, Let's say 4%. the chance a copy comes out mutated.
[10:41] If it's 4%, roughly one in 25 copies will be a mutation. it will inherit the replication death and mutation stats from its parent,
[10:53] Notice that we won't give any of these secondary replicators a spawn rate. So if all of their copies die out, they'll be gone for good.
[11:06] Our setup was inspired by his amazing in-depth simulations on evolutionary biology. Okay, let's run it.
[11:18] and this box on the left will show a slice of the void, You can see how the first replicator appears and then immediately disappears,
[11:31] because it just happened to die before it got the chance to replicate. The original replicator can be created from smaller blobs, so it'll come back at some point. You can also see that it spawns some mutations, but they're struggling to keep up.
[11:48] Eventually, though, superior mutations pop up and start to replicate faster than the original. But you can see almost all of them are growing exponentially, which is unrealistic. limited resources.
[12:03] We can simulate this effect by introducing a sort This factor should depend on the total number of replicators in the void, N,
[12:16] which will also divide with an arbitrary crowding factor, C. C lets us define the maximum number of replicators we'll allow into the void. Then once there are 10,000 replicators,
[12:29] the two terms cancel out and drive the replication rate down to zero, meaning none of the replicators will be able to make copies until the population drops again. So let's see how this changes our simulation.
[12:41] after which it's quickly taken over by its mutations, but this time, most of these mutation populations start to decline.
[12:54] the lime one, After that, a few more mutations pop up, even more powerful than the lime.
[13:06] occupying around 9,000 of the 10,000 available spaces. It goes without saying that the environment plays a massive role in which replicator wins.
[13:21] But let's look at the stats of the replicator that came out on top this time. compared to the 17% average across all populations.
[13:36] Its death rate is below average. And finally, it has a 1% mutation rate, compared to the average of 3.73%.
[13:50] for any single species, If we rerun the simulation, you'll notice the outcomes are always slightly different,
[14:04] but the winning species consistently have high replication and low death and mutation rates. Instead of just tweaking these three stats, the replicators would have to mutate all sorts of different ways to gain an advantage.
[14:19] For example, one replicator might mutate a trait that lets it destroy other individuals and then use their building blocks to make more copies of itself. but it's really just chemistry that gets copied over and over
[14:32] Naturally, a risk of offense would likely favor mutations that result in defense. it form protective barriers from nearby materials,
[14:46] These barriers would also help protect the fragile replicators from environmental damage, This marks an important threshold. determining the properties of the molecules themselves.
[15:01] So by chance, the replicators inevitably mutate in ways that build scaffolding around They stumble upon ways of making structures to propel themselves around.
[15:16] They even mix, exchange, and steal traits from each other. Through billions of years of trial and error, this scaffolding gets more and more complex,
[15:28] the replicator's interactions with the void become exceedingly indirect. machines whose sole purpose is to protect the replicators inside.
[15:42] These machines became such experts at surviving, They are the bacteria, Everything alive,
[15:56] was built as a survival vessel for these replicators. Now we just call them genes.
[16:08] strands of DNA made from the sequences of A, T, G, and C nucleotides. earliest replicators were actually something closer to RNA molecules,
[16:22] this must have evolved into a more stable system of storing information, They are the code that shapes our traits. We’re taught that these traits are here solely to help ensure our survival
[16:35] But do we have this the wrong way around? Okay, yeah. These tiny replicators are still fighting the same battle that started billions of years ago,
[16:51] The traits just become more convoluted. Replicators that produce traits poorly suited to their environment tend to become less common, while those that produce advantageous traits become more numerous in the population.
[17:04] it's fundamentally about the survival of the fittest genes. They are the core unit of natural selection. Why not something smaller or something bigger?
[17:21] it needs to have three characteristics. Second, it needs to exhibit traits that affect its interaction with the environment which,
[17:33] third, affect the probability of survival and reproduction of the replicator. Something small like a single nucleotide doesn't work, because, it doesn't exhibit a trait that could be selected for.
[17:47] Well, each chromosome affects potentially thousands of traits sections of chromosomes get swapped around.
[17:59] So a chromosome doesn't stay together as a cohesive replicating unit, But a gene is somewhere in the middle. It's a long enough stretch of DNA that it can independently influence a trait,
[18:12] but it's also short and stable enough to be faithfully copied over into future generations. This is why the gene is the unit of natural selection. This perspective led to one of the most powerful and controversial ways of seeing evolution,
[18:25] one popularized by Richard Dawkins in his book The Selfish Gene. And as a response against the, then very popular, Dawkins argued that just about every trait,
[18:39] is a strategy that helps their genes survive and replicate. even if they do so at the expense of others.
[18:52] we are survival machines, robot vehicles blindly programmed to preserve the selfish molecules known as genes. Now, you might think this framework isn't all that groundbreaking.
[19:06] They hesitate to jump into the water until they are sure there are no seals around. So what kind of genes could help a penguin survive in this environment?
[19:18] the penguin might stay back until someone braver tests the water. and has a better chance to survive, reproduce and pass on its ‘timid’ genes.
[19:32] Here, you can think about this either as ‘the timid genes help the penguin’ Either way works. So is there any real benefit to viewing things from the gene's perspective?
[19:44] Well, look at what happens when you use these two frameworks to explain altruistic behavior, Take California ground squirrels for example. like a fox or a hawk,
[19:58] to warn other nearby squirrels, even though this puts her survival at risk. The genes influencing this behavior surely don’t help the squirrel. I think this is a bit more clear if you think about the
[20:12] fact that most living things reproduce sexually. So a squirrel will get half its DNA from its mom and half from its dad. But also, any child that it has,
[20:26] it's also going to share half of its genes with the child, but also any siblings. But then if you take a step out to an uncle or up to a grandparent, then it's sharing one-quarter, All to say, you share a lot of genes with your immediate family.
[20:43] And California ground squirrels, females in particular, they live around family. So if a squirrel has a set of genes that make her call out when it spots a predator, also carry those genes.
[20:57] let's say the squirrel attracts a predator her way, and it ends up getting eaten. to any future offspring of that squirrel.
[21:10] But, if the warning call saved at least 2 copies of those genes well then, in total, these 2 squirrels have a better chance of passing on the genes through their offspring than the single squirrel did.
[21:23] From the gene's perspective, this could be a good trade-off. only that as many copies as possible survive. This principle, that altruistically helping your close relatives helps preserve your own genes,
[21:38] And the payoff behind any altruistic gesture under kin selection depends heavily on how related you are to the individuals you're helping, the smaller the chances that you will share that particular gene with another individual.
[21:54] Male squirrels that don't live near relatives almost never give out warning calls. Now, there is a big question this gene-centric view still has to address.
[22:08] then why would sex ever evolve as a means of replication, Most animals reproduce sexually. get to pass on all of their genes through asexual reproduction?
[22:26] From a gene's perspective, this seems like a much better deal. When it comes to sexual reproduction, people like to say, "Okay. Well, it mixes up the genes. It's like shuffling a deck of cards,
[22:38] and isn't that better for creating more variation? And clearly, that's advantageous." Another way this has been explained is if the genes that regulate sexual reproduction benefit from replicating sexually,
[22:51] Even if it's a net negative to all the other genes in the genome. So if it benefits them, they'll keep pushing for it. So are there any problems with how The Selfish Gene explains natural selection?
[23:06] Well, yes. I mean, it turns out the framework comes with a lot of controversy. One of the biggest criticisms against The Selfish Gene is that it leaves little to chance.
[23:18] It implies that every gene present in the genome is there because it actively got selected for, But many genes are actually invisible to natural selection, because they don't really exhibit meaningful traits in the population.
[23:33] Imagine 20 blind cave fish, we’ll assume that their eye color traits make no difference to their survival
[23:45] Now, to form the next generation, If you repeat this 20 times, you get a 2nd generation. By chance alone, one color will probably appear more often than the other.
[23:59] And if you repeat this process over many generations, Not because it’s better, This shift in the frequency of gene variants is called genetic drift.
[24:13] traits that aren't pruned for by natural selection. But it doesn’t only apply to silent genes. there is a chance that genetic drift overrides natural selection,
[24:27] and a less fit gene will spread through the population just by chance. If we run our simulation enough times, sometimes the winning gene won’t be the one with the traits that maximize its own survival.
[24:39] Here, you can see that the winning population actually has a higher than average mutation rate, And the average mutation rate is also higher than the starting value. about how much of evolution was actually due to natural selection
[24:56] Another major criticism of The Selfish Gene is about the It seems to imply that genes have agency, like they know what they're doing and they understand the consequences,
[25:11] just as portraying them as characters was a way for us to make the story more engaging. They don't decide to replicate or conspire to out-compete others.
[25:25] So what may look like intention is just simple chemistry that happens to work well and propagates. But perhaps the most obvious and easiest to understand criticism is
[25:38] Genes are much more complicated than we thought. One gene can influence many traits, and one trait can be influenced by many genes.
[25:51] There are genes that inhibit or activate others, the so-called non-coding DNA.
[26:03] Not to mention that the environment itself, also affects how different genes get expressed. So you might think that a single gene would rarely have a large enough effect
[26:20] but it doesn't matter how convoluted the pathway is. it will be subject to some amount of natural selection.
[26:34] And surely, the whole theory is a simplification, but any theory or framework of nature is. And what we're covering in this video is an even more simplified picture of that framework, but that doesn't take away the fact that viewing the world through this
[26:48] lens has an incredible power to help us understand the process of evolution. It helps us understand why we see such a range of different behaviors in our world those traits tend to cause the increasing prevalence of the genes they are associated with.
[27:03] It's like the whole point is figure out what's true. And this, to me, is the baseline truth of evolution. is that we get to sort of unpack and dig under the hood.
[27:21] And it's what I loved about reading The Selfish Gene book, Previously, I'd always just probably thought at the level of the individual, but it makes more sense to think at the level of the gene.
[27:35] The feeling that you and every other living organism is being driven by some molecules deep in every cell is fundamentally unsettling, and seems to remove agency from you as an acting, thinking being in the world.
[27:52] But whether or not you agree with the fact that we might be controlled by our genes and we're simply their flesh robots, I think it's kind of unreasonable and unrealistic to go through life
[28:07] It doesn't really do you any good, So I think it's very beneficial to see yourself as your own thing, as your own unit.
[28:25] I want to give a big shout-out to Joe Hanson from BeSmart for helping us out with this video, and another shout-out to Primer for letting us adapt his simulation on the first replicators. so please check them out.
[28:38] Thank you for watching.
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