Why Sainsbury's gives 4 coins for 50p change
49sReveals a frustrating everyday experience with self-checkout machines that many viewers can relate to.
▶ Play Clip"Delivers on the premise but veers into tangents; the £1.75 coin is only part of a broader analysis."
The video explores inefficiencies in UK coin change systems, particularly at Sainsbury's self-checkouts which omit 50p and 10p coins, forcing more coins per transaction. Using mathematical optimization, it examines possible new coin denominations and proposes practical solutions like eliminating 1p and 2p coins or introducing a £1.75 coin.
Matt buys a £4.50 item with a £5 note, expecting a 50p coin but receives two 20p and two 5p instead.
UK coins include 1p,2p,5p,10p,20p,50p,£1,£2; Sainsbury's self-checkout does not dispense 50p or 10p coins, increasing average change coins from 4.6 to 5.9.
By simulating all possible additional coins, the average number of change coins is minimized at 133p and 137p, reducing average to about 3.9 coins.
Removing the £1 coin and replacing it with a 123p coin drops average coins to 4.2.
Further optimization suggests replacing £1,2p,10p,50p with 123p,13p,37p,88p, bringing average to 3.9.
Using exhaustive search by mathematician Adam Townsend, the optimal eight coins (including 1p) achieve an average of 3.82 coins per transaction.
The optimal coin set fails the greedy algorithm in 320 out of 499 cases, making change-making counterintuitive.
Australia eliminated 1c and 2c coins in the 1990s, rounding cash transactions to the nearest 5c, which works well.
Removing 1p and 2p and replacing with a £1.75 coin (or 165p+225p) could reduce average coins to 2.6.
Sainsbury's uses American NCR machines designed for fewer coins; they removed 50p and 10p, but a better pair would be £1 and 10p.
The current UK coin system is inefficient, but small changes—like eliminating 1p and 2p coins or adopting a thoughtfully designed coin set—could significantly reduce the number of coins in everyday transactions.
What is the average number of coins in change with the full UK coin set?
4.6 coins.
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How many coins does Sainsbury's self-checkout dispense on average instead of the full set?
5.9 coins.
02:38
What two coin values are missing from Sainsbury's self-checkout change?
50p and 10p.
01:33
What is the optimal single additional coin value to minimize change coins?
133p or 137p (about £1.33 or £1.37).
03:49
What is the optimal replacement for the £1 coin according to the single-swap search?
A 123p coin.
05:48
In how many out of 499 change scenarios does the greedy algorithm fail for the optimal coin set?
320 scenarios.
17:26
What does Australia do to simplify coin change?
They removed 1c and 2c coins and round cash transactions to the nearest 5c.
19:53
What is the proposed £1.75 coin meant to replace?
The 1p and 2p coins, while also completing the Royal Shield design.
22:48
Missing Coins Increase Average Change
Quantifies inefficiency: Sainsbury's omission of two coins raises average change coins from 4.6 to 5.9.
02:19Mathematical Foundation of Optimal Coin Sets
Cites 2002 paper 'What this country needs now is an 18 cents piece' and collaboration with mathematician Adam Townsend.
07:10Greedy Algorithm Doesn't Always Work
Explains why optimal coin sets are impractical: the intuitive greedy algorithm fails in most cases.
17:14Successful Real-World Example: Australia
Demonstrates that eliminating low-value coins works in practice, with Australian experience over 30 years.
19:53The £1.75 Coin Shield Design
Adam Townsend's design creatively fills the missing shield fragments, combining practicality with aesthetics.
23:34[00:00] i am taking this physical money into that physical sainsbury supermarket because in order to test a mass theory i need to find some combination of items that when i buy them the selfch checkout
[00:15] will give me a 50 p coin in my change here we go so i can buy a oxford exam set for £450 and
[00:27] we can examine what the soft checkout's going to do okay here we are a cash and card going to scan this barcode on the back okay notes in it in my change will come out out of here
[00:49] wipes there's my£5 note my change 220s two fives what the heck sainsburries four coins when one
[01:02] would do we have a perfectly good 50p coin here in the uk we have one and two pence coins 5p 10p 20p 50p and then 1 pound and two pound which i'll be referring to as 100 and 200 for consistency sake
[01:17] above that it's a£5 note now of those eight coins for some reason the sainsbury soft checkouts do not have 50p or 10p coins you can spend them but the coins you put in go into a different
[01:33] bucket they're not reused to give change to someone else all new coins have to be loaded in for change purposes and they don't put in tens they don't put in 50s so your worst case scenario
[01:45] if you should get a 50p coin you get four coins instead two 20s and two fives that's three more coins than you need if you need to get a 10p coin in your change you'll get two 5p coins that's one extra one but they don't combine because 60p you just get 320s so worst case scenario you can get
[02:03] up to three more coins in your change for the same value of change and just out of curiosity i knocked a little bit of code together to take every conceivable value below 500 and
[02:19] then across all of them average the number of coins you would get and in normal use across all eight coins you expect to get on average 4.6 coins in your change because sainsburries are using two fewer you get on average 5.9 coins in your change that's over an entire extra coin
[02:38] it's ridiculous and we'll get to why sainsburries are doing that later and it's not good but given i'd put together some code that could test the effectiveness of different combinations
[02:52] of coins i thought i'd see if i could do an anti- sainsburries what if we wanted to add a coin to make things better all right give me one second i'm just going to knock a quick coin together
[03:21] all right there it is i've just struck a 1 33 coin this is the coin the uk is missing so here's what i did i took the standard eight coins and then i added one more coin for every
[03:37] possible value between 1 and 499 and then averaged how many coins you get in change assuming all values between 1 and 499 below the note are equally likely and here's the
[03:49] plot of the average number of coins for every possible value we could add into the mix and there actually there are two two optimal points two local minimums that are 133 and 137 i assume
[04:02] the general public will be more open to a 1 and a3 pound coin as opposed to a 1.37 pound coin but either one you add it in and the average number of coins in your change is now a mere 3.9
[04:16] that's under four that's an improvement but can we do better oh you know we can
[04:33] i'll make sure i get the eight up the right way don't get me started on eights that are up the wrong way makes me angry so matt why did you have to move office uh beats me why they didn't want me as an office mate so forget the 1.33 coin instead we're going to add a 77 p coin and we're going
[04:53] to add a184 coin and with these combined with the eight we already have it brings the average number of coins you get in your change down to 3.6 come on and we can keep adding coins the at this point
[05:07] i'm like you know what eventually we're just going to have one coin per value and it'll be an average change of one coin because there's 499 of them at some point you got to say look we can't just
[05:20] keep adding coins maybe eight is already too many what if we just replaced more of the ones we've already got it didn't take much to alter my code so instead of adding every possible coin to
[05:32] all eight it would take every subset of seven so like remove all the possible coins one at a time actually except for the one p coin we need that well we need that we'll get to that in a moment but we do need it if we want penny accuracy so it took each of the other seven out one at
[05:48] a time tried every possible replacement and your optimal improvement is to get rid of the£1 coin and replace it with a123 coin now i'm not going to belt that out of metal partly because it's
[06:00] super loud and fun fact we've had a complaint from someone in a nearby office but also because just replacing the one pound with the 123 brings the average down from 4.6 to around about 4.2 but we
[06:14] can do better because i just left the code going it started again and checked if there was another replacement that would be even better and another one that would be even better it turns out there are three more as well as£1 becoming 123 you can get rid of the two the 10 and the 50p coins and
[06:30] replace them with a 13 a 37 and an 88 pence coin and now your average number of coins in change is down to 3.9 we're back under four we haven't had to add any we just got to replace them and i was
[06:43] like wait a minute is that the best there's an interesting point here though because my search of finding what one swap is optimal at any point in time doesn't actually let you search all the
[06:55] possible solutions because you can't just change a coin in isolation it depends on the other ones so what you need to do is look at whole new sets because you don't just like choose a coin when you're giving change on its own it depends what other coins are available so you need to change
[07:10] all of them at once to find the global solution and thankfully someone who's better at programming than me has done just that i believe the optimal coinage problem tracks back to a 2002 paper what
[07:23] the country needs now is an 18 cents piece however i first came across it when my friend adam townsend a mathematician at durham university wrote an article for chalk dust and at the time
[07:36] adam was able to work out the optimal solutions across all possible combinations of coin values for the uk for everything up to the case for five coins so we now know if we only had two coins we'd
[07:49] have a 1 p and a 22p and your change on average would have well over 20 coins in it three coins gets us under 10 with a 1 p a 14p and a 61p and at the time eight years ago the computation fizzled
[08:04] out after five when i contacted adam saying i was finally making a video about this maybe we should dust off the code and give it another go straight away he got the case for six coins which was very
[08:17] exciting not long after that we got seven and then it seemed like we were not going to get eight the code was going to take so long to run it was hard to justify that amount of processing power until
[08:29] one day adam was struck with inspiration changed the code made it more efficient and now we have an answer which is why i'm filming this bit after all the other stuff you've just seen cuz it literally
[08:41] just happened and i can now present the official 8 coin solution if we swapped the eight current coins used in the uk for these and come on we get a11 coin we would have way fewer coins in
[08:57] our change would bring the average all the way down to 3.82 so good and i was so excited you better believe i 3d printed them so there's a uh 1.58 coin we got the pound 55 if you're thinking
[09:12] these are just way too big it's because i wanted the volume of these to be proportionate to their value so if you go all the way down to the the 1p that's got one 158th the mass of the pound 58
[09:28] coin so what it means is if you get your change and you just chuck all the coins on some scales and weigh them it'll give you the exact value how good are these available now or the most
[09:40] optimal set of eight coins possible and all of these could be yours if you just convince the government to change to these and then do a lot of complex arithmetic anytime you want to make change
[09:52] or because of the scaling volume just weigh your change and get the exact value straight away it's so dumb now you might be thinking if we found these coins via an exhaustive search is there
[10:06] a hey speaking of money it's time for me business matt get out of here so these fantastic coins we have printed for the video were all printed on that bamboo labs x1 printer behind me and they
[10:21] are sponsoring this video which is why i'm going to say it's a printer so good you can literally print money like actual money i don't think we can legally say they can print money look who is
[10:34] the business finance expert here you are correct i'm the one wearing a jacket that's how you know i'm business matt get out of here how it works bamboo printers so good you can literally print
[10:46] money legality to be questioned the bamboo labs x1c is a high-speed high quality 3d printer it can take multiple colors at once and it's got all sorts of smart features which actually work and
[11:05] it means even i a 3d printing novice can print all sorts of fantastic multicolored things and thanks to everyone who sent in models after the last promo we did for bamboo including andreas müller who sent this i said if enough people used the link and we got to do another promo
[11:22] i'd print out files people sent in so andrea sent in this it's a ring of regular deahedra so in theory this could be like will this go around my head it won't go around my head but andreas has put this model and other longer more flexible ones that will go around your head here
[11:38] on maker world the bamboo labs website where you can download all sorts of great models and thank you to adam adam lutter who sent in some assembly required this is what's called an industrial dice
[11:51] it's based off a design that james prop came up with i need to go home glue this together then i can roll it and i'll have a link below you can check out the mass of that so do check out the link in the description below and if enough of you click it we'll do another one of these send
[12:06] me in more ridiculous models and i'll print them out business matt away is he gone okay fuel skye we're safe come on up here good girl sit lie down there you go now if you're thinking if
[12:22] we found those coin combinations via exhaustive search surely there's a more clever way of doing it and actually when the results came in for the six coin setup i thought you know what that 140
[12:37] and that 99p are awfully suspicious of course as these numbers were coming in we were looking for patterns so we could just generate them instead of having to do such tedious exhaustive searches
[12:51] and at the point when we got to six so i hadn't seen seven or eight yet i was like "wait a minute 99 p 140." well a pound 40 that's almost the square root of two well 100 times it wait 99
[13:05] p that's about 100 hang on a minute it turns out a pound 40 divided by 99 p is <unk>2 how interesting but are there other ratios between the coins we were finding which was root two well we can
[13:20] spread this out a little bit to give us a bit more room and of course i calculated the ratio between every two consecutive coins for all the solutions we found and there's our root two and there's kind
[13:32] of root two is that root two what about this one that's route twoish now i believe these are close enough to indicate something is going on now we don't actually know what if you come up with a way
[13:45] to generate these that would be as far as i know all new maths and it seems like it's got something to do with square roots you could argue i'm just reading tea leaves here and i'm overfitting to
[13:57] what i'm seeing and there is a line so the one here 1.597 that's pretty much exactly the fourth root of 6.5 but i feel like that's an accident the route twos however that might be something
[14:11] and the reason i think it could be an indication what's going on is square roots do abound and if we have a closer look at the two coin case so you get a 1 p coin and some other coin why 22
[14:24] or 23 why are they equally good well in our case we have to make change up to £500 and the square root of 500 is suspiciously right between the two equivalent values it seems like square roots have
[14:40] a lot to do with this and the two coin case is the nice simple starting case we can actually investigate so let's say we have two coins one is worth a single pence because we need penny accuracy and then we have some other coin of some other value and we have to make change for any
[14:55] value from one up to some value capital n well i mentioned this to adam he had to think about it and he ran his code again and put together this plot and the blue is what came out of his code and the orange is when you fit an equation to it and it looks like the equation of the expected number
[15:12] of coins for when you add in some x pence coin and your capital n's 500 is a half 500 /x + x but why and it turns out that's true and here's why if you think it through the number of coins you need for
[15:29] some value little n so that's some value between one and capital n for one specific case you're making change you go okay well i want to use as many x pence coins as i can because they're the bigger value coin so you take the target n divide it by x that's way you got to round it down that's
[15:45] how many x pence coins you can use and the rest of it whatever the remainder is we can calculate the remainder that's how many 1 pence coins we need so that's the total number of coins for any specific
[15:57] value little n if we want to do all the values to capital n well we just take one n and then we sum it up for all the n's divide by n and that gives you the average number of coins for some coin x
[16:12] here's where we can have some maths fun and then by the way this is all too fast for you to follow in close detail you can pause it and have a good think and work it through yourself if you want but broadbrush you convert that to an integral because we can actually work that out exactly you do that
[16:27] integration and the equation for the number of coins on average for a coin x is this look how neat that is and if we want the minimum what's the best x well we just differentiate that set
[16:41] it to zero and would you believe it it gives you x= the square root of n that's where the square root comes from at least in the two coin case very sadly we can't extend this to three or more coins
[16:56] because of an assumption see here where we had the number divided by x we're basically saying do the biggest coin first do as many as you can then do the next coin down and that while it seems intuitive and logical that's called the greedy algorithm and very sadly it doesn't always hold
[17:14] the greedy algorithm is where you take the next biggest coin to get up to the total you're aiming for and i hate to admit it but it means that these are not very practical because in over half the
[17:26] cases 320 out of 499 change scenarios the greedy algorithm doesn't work so if you had to make change for 31 p you'd be like well we got to use the 28 first cuz that's the biggest one under 31
[17:42] and then we make it up with three pennies and that would be four coins because you went biggest first however if you skipped over the biggest one and instead you picked up the 21p you then only need
[17:55] two 5ps to make up the total that's only three coins and our normal coinage doesn't have this problem this better coinage does and the worst case scenario by the way is if you had to make two
[18:09] coin's the 158 we'll do that we then need uh two 28s we need two fives and then we can make up the rest with four ones which is a lot of coins and you've completely neglected to notice that 228 is
[18:28] just the 155 and the 73 you can do it in two coins that's seven fewer it's just super not obvious so not only are these coins unusual numbers that make the arithmetic difficult but you can't even
[18:44] do it the normal easiest way you got to use difficult numbers and do it the hard way so there you are opportunity for way more maths in my mind however now i return you to past
[18:56] matt he's probably banging on about what's more practical there is another solution to simplify change that we're overlooking here and it is dare i say a practical which i appreciate is the
[19:09] thinking there's no way i'm using those coins and there's no way the general public are going to be adding up ridiculous coin denominations well it's simple we keep all the values we currently have
[19:24] and to simplify it we just get rid of the one and two pence coins and just by getting rid of them and rounding our change to the nearest 5 p we will drop the average number of coins all the way
[19:39] down to 3.4 way better and if you think well hang on people aren't going to do that people won't be happy rounding their change well in australia they got rid of the one and two cent coins they had an
[19:53] identical range to what we have in the uk got rid of one and two cent coins in the early '9s and for over a third of a century it's worked fine for more on this we go to on location
[20:07] matt thank you studio matt no you hang up are we not doing that i thought we were anyway i'm here on location in australia and i can confirm and i remember this in the '9s we got rid of the
[20:23] one and two cent coins and nobody cared no one cares now we still have the notion of 1 cent because if you pay electronically or you know with a card you pay to the nearest whole cent
[20:35] if you pay cash rounded to the nearest 5 cents so actually if you're a little bit strategic and you choose between cash or card depending on which way the rounding is going to go you can save literally ones of cents in a lifetime but what about selfch checkckout machines well of
[20:51] course there is a supermarket here at the beach that has selfch checkouts and i've worked out if i go in there and spend these 10 dollars and the machine has to give me $3.85 85 cents change it
[21:06] should do it with one of all six different coins available if it has them let's find out as is tradition once i got to the supermarket i went to the stationary aisle this time i found
[21:21] a clear plastic ruler 30 cm for $25 i just have to add to that a single box of barbecue shapes for four wait a minute two halfp price boxes of barbecue shapes for $4 bonsai and that's
[21:37] going to give me exactly $385 change put in my 10 bucks and here comes the change there's a $2 coin or $1 coin and following that what a heap of 20 cent coins where's my 50 cent where's the
[21:54] 10 unbelievable coals have given me three 20 cent coins three coins when i should have had a 50 and a 10 that's one more coin overall than was optimal what on earth is going on with selfch checkckout
[22:07] machines i'll tell you what i'm going to email coohl's and if they reply i'll edit their response in right now nothing nothing i guess they didn't get back to me the point is whatever's happening
[22:20] with these soft checkout machines just doesn't measure up but that's it from me here in australia no longer have one and two cent coins although interestingly never replace them with anything
[22:32] else h back to you studio matt thank you on location matt no you hang up oh we're not doing that bit oh sorry anyway so if we get rid of the one and two pence coins and we replace them with
[22:48] two new coins which australia didn't do we can do even better and now we don't get any weird values because everything is a multiple of five and for some reason everyone's okay with that so if we get
[23:00] rid of one and two and replace them with 165 and 225 we bring the average number of coins in change in the uk down to 2.6 under three how good is that and if you want to take this opportunity to
[23:17] simplify the whole system and not have eight coins we could go down to just seven coins by replacing one and two pence with a single 1.75 coin which is quite nice and actually adam had an idea for
[23:34] the design of that coin when adam presented his initial findings at the mass jam weekend many years ago he showed the original design for the current coins which has this fantastic shield pattern you can see all of it on the one pound coin and then fragments on it of the six
[23:51] other coins of lesser value now since then the one pound coin has been updated to a different design but we still have the shield on the other coins it's a wonderful little thing that often people
[24:03] don't notice and when they do it's a fun easter egg but adam realized if we took out the one and two pence coins we even further lose the shield so if we're going to replace that with a 175
[24:15] coin it needs to fill those two gaps at the same time and this is what adam designed and presented with a sufficiently straight face in front of a room of other recreational mathematicians and i
[24:29] thought this design was so great i asked adam for his slides which is why i'm showing them to you now i think it's some of his best artistic work if i'm being honest i mean look at that look at that double one 75 coin the lion is roaring that's excellent but you know no one's going to actually
[24:47] try and make it you know i printed it there it is i managed to recreate adam's incredible design i mean you could just see the shield now this is a 2:1 scale because i tried to print it the
[25:02] exact right size and my 3d modeling abilities are not good enough yet but that's still a proof of concept that's a prototype now that's a practical coin i'll be honest my vote is just dump the one
[25:15] and two pence coins don't replace them simplify it down to a mere five coins so tidy and other countries have got a much smaller set of coins for example the currently united states of america and
[25:32] we have sadly on location matt couldn't make it but we do have a us correspondent for the channel rolling hey how's it going i'm raleigh williams i'm here in the united states of america i'm from
[25:44] the youtube channel climate town check it out on youtube.com in america we have six coins but if you think we're using all of them you're out of your goddamn mind we only have four in normal circulation two of them we never use including the half dollar and the honken dollar coin this thing
[26:01] weighs as much as a house we just have it to show that we're better than everybody so that's how we do it in america and as far as i'm concerned that's how everyone should do it all around the world usa usa usa catch the fever indeed usa and that actually answers our question about
[26:23] sainsburries because if you have a close look at the sainsbur selfch checkout that i was using it's an ncr model plus you might have noticed the machine in australia also ncr and the company ncr
[26:36] that makes them is an american company the selfch checkckout machines are designed for american coinage or at least designed for countries with fewer coins i don't know why it's six maybe it's
[26:48] the five normal ones and then they've got the $1 coin as an option but they're definitely not designed for eight coins so sainsburries they're not going to pay for a whole new type of machine
[27:00] the uk market is obviously not big enough for that so what they've done is just gotten rid of two of the coins they took out 50p and 10p but are those the best two coins to take out i had
[27:13] a look into it do you want to see do you want to see a plot of course you want to see a plot i've got a table here of every pair of coins that could be removed i've only filled in the ones where like
[27:26] it's a unique pairing of coins and green is good red is bad and the best one here is if you take out the pound coin the 100 and you take out the 10p coin so instead of doing 10 and 50 they should
[27:39] have done 10 and 100 because that would give you an average of 5.41 coins in your change but they didn't do that they didn't do any of these all of these are better in fact if they took out the pound and any of the 2p 5p 10p and 20p it'd be better than what they've currently got now
[27:56] maybe they felt people wouldn't tolerate there not being a one pound coin if they didn't take that out but that's the optimal solution or they could have taken out the two pound coin and the 10p coin or they could have taken out the 10p coin and the 2p coin all of those are better instead
[28:16] they took out the 50p and the 10p which is now like what the seventh best option and i have no idea why they did that when there are way better options actually you know what i might i might
[28:31] email them i didn't think to ask i just worked this out to be honest you know what i'm going to send them an email and if they give me a sensible explanation i will put it in the edit right here
[28:45] nothing i guess i didn't reply honestly sainsbur springs so in conclusion i don't know money is terrible i mean not coins coin i mean money is made up but uh coins are terrible i mean
[29:00] i haven't used physical money in a very long time and that's the first time i've gotten change from a selfch checkckout machine in i would say about a decade because we don't we don't need physical money uh anymore and that's why i'm very pleased to announce matt coin when
[29:16] i know wouldn't that be special if that's what i was doing no uh hey thanks for watching thanks for supporting the channel uh by the way i don't need another one of these in my life so if you
[29:28] would like this or indeed the coins i will uh sign the coins i'll sign this they're all on ebay you can pay electronically or post me might no you can't post me money uh all the money goes to charity for these thank you to everyone on patreon who gives me uh real digital money to
[29:45] keep the channel ticking along uh a huge thanks to adam townsen for doing the maths inspiring this video helping me put it together and of course thanks to jeffrey shallot who did the original what this country needs now is an 18 cent piece i'll link to all of it below thank
[30:00] you for watching um bye be the change you want to see in the world that's what i should have said
[30:12] world h this is not a serious career
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