I Investigated India’s Biggest Smartphone Controversy

[00:00] I might get sued for this, but imagine

[00:03] you made a YouTube video about a phone.

[00:05] You get it out the box, you test it, but

[00:07] you feel like something's off. So, you

[00:10] tell your viewers, but then you receive

[00:11] a court order. You're legally forced to

[00:14] take your video down. You're banned from

[00:15] ever saying anything negative about that

[00:17] phone again, and so is everyone else.

[00:20] And suddenly, it all erupts into what

[00:22] can only be described as a war within

[00:24] the tech community. That would be crazy,

[00:26] right? Right. This is one of the most

[00:28] fascinating, alarming situations that

[00:31] I've ever seen on my 15 years making

[00:33] YouTube videos. And it's also currently

[00:35] a very real active legal case. So, the

[00:38] YouTubers involved are not allowed to

[00:40] comment. But I will. I've got the

[00:42] products. I've got the receipts. I've

[00:44] consulted the experts and people at the

[00:46] very heart of the situation. And if

[00:48] anyone wants to sue me, I'd love to see

[00:50] them try.

[00:54] Quick context. India is the second

[00:56] biggest smartphone market on earth with

[00:58] over 700 million users. But at least

[01:00] twothirds of the phones sold there from

[01:02] brands like Xiaomi and Vivo and Oppo are

[01:05] Chinese, which has created this massive

[01:07] opportunity for someone to come in and

[01:09] make a phone in India. Partly for the

[01:11] same reason that Brits love their made

[01:12] in Britain logo and Americans like to

[01:15] buy American. It would help Indians to

[01:17] support the economy of the country they

[01:18] live in, but also compounded by the fact

[01:20] that India and China don't have the best

[01:22] relationship. Long story short, lots of

[01:24] border clashes and a lack of trust. So

[01:26] over the years, a bunch of companies

[01:28] have tried. You've had Carbon, you've

[01:30] had Microax, you've had Lava, all

[01:32] leaning into this national pride,

[01:33] plastering their marketing campaigns

[01:35] with this promise of made in India. But

[01:37] they've all failed to capture any kind

[01:39] of meaningful market share. Because

[01:40] ultimately, while their products might

[01:42] be assembled in India, they're still

[01:44] designed in China. And if you're going

[01:46] to buy a designed in China phone, then

[01:48] you might as well just buy it direct

[01:50] from a Chinese company like Xiaomi and

[01:52] get it even cheaper.

[01:57] Which sets the stage for July 2025 when

[02:00] a new brand called AI Plus launches with

[02:03] the pitch of delivering India's first

[02:05] fully sovereign smartphone.

[02:06] >> Expertly engineered and meticulously

[02:08] built in India. And they went one step

[02:10] further than the rest to say that it

[02:11] even

[02:12] >> prioritizes your privacy and secures

[02:14] stores your data in India.

[02:16] >> So any of your data that has to go

[02:17] online they're saying will be securely

[02:20] stored

[02:20] >> in Google Cloud India regions.

[02:23] >> This built-in India strategy is

[02:24] absolutely central to the entire case.

[02:26] So, it's important to stress just how

[02:29] much they leaned into it. Like how it

[02:31] literally spells out on the boot screen

[02:33] of my AI plus phone here, "Your data

[02:35] stays safe in India." Or how they said

[02:37] their phones are so secure that they

[02:39] are, and I quote, "certified for

[02:41] government, all amplified by the CEO

[02:43] firing shots at other companies for not

[02:46] holding themselves to the same

[02:47] standards." Referring to other Indian

[02:49] brands, he said, "Made in India means

[02:51] little if software and updates come from

[02:52] abroad." and then referring to the

[02:54] abundance of Chinese phones. This

[02:56] foreign dominance raises critical

[02:57] concerns about data privacy. And if AI

[03:00] Plus hadn't already made their stance

[03:01] extremely clear, then nothing summarizes

[03:04] it better than what I can only describe

[03:06] as their comic book strip of an advert.

[03:09] It starts with this poor Indian man

[03:10] who's woken up to find that someone's

[03:12] taken a large loan in his name without

[03:14] his consent.

[03:17] >> Oh, right. Yeah, it's this Chinese guy.

[03:21] Chinese not safe

[03:29] >> AI plus smartphone.

[03:31] >> I think I've read fortune cookies with

[03:33] more nuance, but you get the point.

[03:39] So, you might be wondering who is this

[03:40] AI plus CEO? This Indian hero who's

[03:43] about to show the Chinese who's boss.

[03:45] Mav Sheth, a man with a very colored

[03:48] history of making phones. He was a sales

[03:50] director for OPPO in India. He then

[03:51] co-founded and became CEO of Realme. He

[03:54] ran that company for 5 years and by the

[03:56] time he left in 2023. It was the fourth

[03:58] biggest smartphone brand in the country.

[04:00] Then he went off to lead Honor in India

[04:02] hopped over to Alcatel to do the same

[04:04] until finally deciding to build his own

[04:06] phones with AI Plus. So two things jump

[04:09] out to me. One that with work experience

[04:11] like that, I can't think of a single

[04:14] person more qualified to start their own

[04:16] tech company. Then second is for someone

[04:19] who's seemingly so vehemently against

[04:21] China, he sure has spent a lot of his

[04:24] career working for Chinese companies.

[04:27] >> Chinese not safe.

[04:29] >> Now to be fair, got to hand the mouth of

[04:31] guys flowers. The prices of the products

[04:33] that he's launched, they seem really

[04:35] reasonable. Amongst other products,

[04:36] there were two phones. The Pulse, their

[04:38] 4G phone, starting at 4,499 rupees, and

[04:42] then the Nova, their 5G phone, starting

[04:43] at $7499. Right now, that's equivalent

[04:46] to $47 and $79.

[04:49] So, like, how wrong can this go?

[04:56] Well, the first crack appeared when

[04:58] YouTuber Gan Therapy got his hands on

[05:00] the phone and posted a video. He

[05:01] highlighted that this supposedly brand

[05:03] new built-in India software, which the

[05:05] brand calls Next Quantum OS, does seem

[05:08] to look awfully similar to Realme's

[05:10] operating system, which is definitely

[05:12] not built in India. doesn't prove

[05:14] anything. But it does make me wonder, if

[05:16] you were actually building a new Android

[05:18] skin from scratch for this brand new

[05:20] company you started, why would you not

[05:22] make it look different to what's out

[05:24] there? Especially when what's out there

[05:25] is the company that you used to run and

[05:28] are now competing against? And then Gon

[05:31] Therapy found three apps on the phone.

[05:33] Clean Assistant, Phone Clone, and Mobile

[05:35] Butler. Which, by the way, I also have

[05:36] on my phone. Clean Assistant, Phone

[05:38] Clone, and My Mobile Butler is called

[05:40] Phone Manager, presumably because it's

[05:42] been updated since. These apps came

[05:44] pre-installed. You can't disable them or

[05:46] uninstall them. And he asks, "How could

[05:49] they keep your data in India if they are

[05:52] actually Chinese apps?" Why would he say

[05:55] that? Well, because when you pop into

[05:56] the privacy policy of Phone Clone, who

[05:59] else but a China based company, Sprocom

[06:02] Technologies, who's very clearly spelled

[06:04] out as the service provider. I screen

[06:05] grabbed the entire policy and made it

[06:07] public in case you fancy a very long

[06:09] read. But the point is, you don't have

[06:11] to scroll very far for it to raise some

[06:14] eyebrows. We may collect your personal

[06:16] information by one, information you

[06:18] provide directly to us, two, information

[06:20] we obtain automatically during your use

[06:22] of this application, and three,

[06:24] information we obtain from other

[06:26] sources. And then for the other two

[06:27] apps, there isn't a privacy policy, but

[06:29] we managed to extract the app files,

[06:31] ping them off to a very smart Android

[06:33] researcher who's chosen to remain

[06:34] anonymous. And this is what he said. All

[06:36] these three apps are built in China for

[06:38] sure. They just change the package name

[06:40] to make it look like they are built from

[06:42] scratch as part of next quantum OS

[06:45] followed by all the screenshots proving

[06:47] this fact. Now, does this mean that your

[06:49] data is going to be sold to the highest

[06:51] bidder and the Chinese triads are about

[06:53] to knock on your door and ransom you to

[06:55] get it back? Probably not. Most apps

[06:58] collect data. But the point is, can this

[07:00] app guarantee that not a shred of your

[07:03] data leaves India, which is what's being

[07:06] promised in no uncertain terms here.

[07:08] Well, that feels less certain. Now, I'm

[07:11] going to be confronting MV himself about

[07:13] these apps. But for now, what you need

[07:15] to know is that for saying what he said,

[07:17] Yan Therapy received a legal notice from

[07:19] the AI Plus company and his video has

[07:21] been geollocked, meaning that I can

[07:23] still watch it here in the UK. But if we

[07:25] VPN over to India, you can see that you

[07:27] straight up can't there bear. This is

[07:29] already pretty unheard of for a tech

[07:30] review. But this isn't the shocking

[07:32] part.

[07:37] I was curious about this whole Sprocon

[07:39] thing. I never heard of the company, but

[07:41] I also couldn't help but feel like they

[07:42] were part of the bigger picture here.

[07:44] So, I had a browse and I don't think

[07:46] I've ever seen a load of nonsense quite

[07:48] like it. There's pages and pages of

[07:50] stuff like connect with mind. Connect

[07:54] with mind. Again, I've never read a more

[07:56] generic sounding company profile. And

[07:58] their company culture connect with mind.

[08:01] Well, of course. And then their

[08:03] corporate mission is supposedly

[08:05] connected intelligent

[08:08] intelligental.

[08:11] So, what on earth could this China based

[08:14] company that can't even spell

[08:16] intelligence have to do with our made in

[08:18] India smartphone that literally has

[08:20] intelligence in its name? I was about to

[08:22] quit, but then I stumbled into this

[08:23] page. Oh, Sprocom do make phones. And

[08:27] while this is not exactly this, it's

[08:30] pretty hard to ignore the similarities.

[08:32] How aligned the camera module and the

[08:34] camera positioning is. How from the side

[08:36] and the bottom, these two feel like a

[08:38] mirror image. Not to mention how almost

[08:40] every spec, including the display, looks

[08:43] identical. So, here's what you need to

[08:45] understand. There are two ways to get a

[08:47] tech product made. You can either

[08:49] ideulate it, design it, and own all the

[08:51] rights to it yourself, like Apple, for

[08:53] example, who then just hands over the

[08:55] brief to a contract manufacturer to do

[08:57] the building for them, to Apple's exact

[08:59] spec. But the other option is to go to

[09:01] an ODM or original design manufacturer.

[09:05] This is a company who builds the

[09:06] products, but has also done the

[09:08] designing, the ideation, and often owns

[09:11] the rights to their designs, too. And

[09:12] so, all you do as a customer is request

[09:14] slight variations, get your logo added

[09:17] to it, and brand it as your own. And so

[09:19] Sprocom, according to an official

[09:21] business report, is a Chinese ODM, which

[09:25] you know is not in itself unusual, but

[09:27] it does cast even more doubt on just how

[09:30] much of the imagining and building that

[09:33] AI Plus is actually doing themselves. To

[09:35] give you an idea, within just half an

[09:36] hour of digging, I managed to find four

[09:38] other supposed clients of this Sprocom

[09:40] company, and all of their phones look

[09:43] remarkably similar to ones on Sprocom's

[09:45] site. So, when you look at this, how

[09:47] much does it look like Sprocom's clients

[09:49] are really researching and developing

[09:51] themselves? And how much does it look

[09:53] like they're largely just taking what

[09:54] Sprocom gave them?

[10:00] And um I've come to learn something else

[10:03] about Sprocom through a conversation

[10:05] with someone who's let's just say very

[10:07] high up and very involved in the Indian

[10:09] supply chain.

[10:10] >> Basically, you have different tiers of

[10:12] ODMs. So up there you have ODMs in the

[10:14] likes of Long Chair. They work with

[10:16] brands like OPPO, Vivo, Samsung. Then

[10:19] you also have good ODMs. They work with

[10:21] brands like nothing or Moto.

[10:24] >> Yeah.

[10:24] >> And then you have low tier ODMs. And

[10:26] those ODMs are known for making very

[10:28] very cheap products. This includes ODMs

[10:30] like Procom.

[10:32] >> There is no R&D involved. The product

[10:34] exists. What you do is just you

[10:36] customize slightly the back of the phone

[10:38] so that it looks a bit different. They

[10:40] cut a lot of corners. The way they make

[10:42] things very costefficient is having a

[10:43] very cheap supply chain. They use a lot

[10:45] of like secondhand components. The

[10:47] biggest opportunity is when it comes to

[10:48] the memory chips. For reference, for 64

[10:51] GB memory, you'll probably get around as

[10:53] low as $20 versus $60 if you are buying

[10:56] it new.

[10:57] >> So people are buying a new product, but

[10:59] actually the memory chips inside are

[11:00] from used products.

[11:02] >> Exactly.

[11:03] >> Given that in India specifically, there

[11:04] are tons of phones in that lower price

[11:06] bracket. Would you say that's probably

[11:07] the case with most of them?

[11:09] >> No, that's the thing. If you look this

[11:11] year, whether it's like OPPO, Vivo, they

[11:13] haven't been launching any phones in

[11:15] that price point. Those players are the

[11:17] ones kind of working with the tier one

[11:18] ODMs I mentioned because they don't do

[11:20] this type of like more dirty work.

[11:22] >> So, my takeaway from this is there's

[11:24] actually two layers of dubiousness. On

[11:27] top of AI+'s already debatable claims

[11:29] about how Indian their products are,

[11:31] according to this insider, by buying a

[11:33] phone sourced from Sprocom, you're also,

[11:36] ironically, getting a lower quality

[11:38] product than the Chinese companies that

[11:40] AI Plus is trying so hard to separate

[11:43] themselves from.

[11:48] But if everything we've seen so far has

[11:50] felt sus, then AI Plus's wave 2 is where

[11:54] this situation just explodes. Because

[11:56] now we move into this year, 2026, where

[11:58] AI Plus launches their second set of

[12:00] products. One of them being the Pulse 2.

[12:02] That's actually the one I'm holding

[12:03] here. And this time, clearly the

[12:04] YouTubers are ready because one of them,

[12:06] Techweiser, drops a video titled, "This

[12:08] Indian phone is a marketing disaster."

[12:10] Now, this video got taken down

[12:12] completely. It's part of the evidence

[12:13] being used in the court case. I'm

[12:15] getting to that, but he accused the

[12:17] company of a few things. One of them

[12:19] being how it's just a bit strange that

[12:20] the CEO has gone on the record to brag

[12:22] about the lack of bloatware. First and

[12:24] foremost, no bloat wares.

[12:26] >> The bloatware still exists. It existed

[12:28] on his phone. It exists on my phone.

[12:30] It's hidden from the app drawer, so you

[12:32] can only tell when you open up this game

[12:34] space hub. But this absolutely counts as

[12:36] bloatware by my definition. It's

[12:39] preloaded. The games are spammy and

[12:41] adfilled. Many people will not want

[12:43] them, and yet they are still taking up

[12:45] storage space. Again, Mardev has his own

[12:47] defense for this, but we're getting to

[12:49] him. More concerningly than bloatware

[12:51] though, Techwise's other claim is that

[12:53] you know the Chinese apps that were

[12:54] present on the first AI Plus phones that

[12:56] caused the entire scandal. Well, he said

[12:58] that all of those apps were actually

[13:00] still on the new phone. Two of them had

[13:03] now been hidden, but just by plugging

[13:04] into a laptop and entering a quick

[13:06] command, he could reveal them again. And

[13:08] then he finished off this video by

[13:09] recapping all the companies that

[13:10] Mardiff's worked at, explaining that

[13:12] each one has deserted customers in some

[13:14] way and concludes that the biggest

[13:16] reason to not trust this phone or trust

[13:19] this entire company is the founder Mard

[13:22] of Sheth. 5 days after that, a second

[13:25] bombshell drops. This time from another

[13:26] channel, Techbar. And he goes even

[13:29] harder because as well as the AI Plus

[13:31] Pulse 2, one of the other new products

[13:32] launched was the Nova Flip. And Techbar

[13:35] says that this phone is exactly the same

[13:37] phone as the Chinese ZTE Nubia Flip 2.

[13:41] He says they have the same battery

[13:42] processor, that the camera seems the

[13:44] same as a ZTE, and I can see why he'd

[13:46] say that. He didn't actually have the

[13:48] phone in hand when shooting his video,

[13:51] but I do. And in fact, I can tell you

[13:54] this is a ZTE phone. I can see all sorts

[13:56] of apps and sensors with clearly labeled

[13:59] ZTE identifiers. And here's the thing.

[14:01] If anyone were to argue that maybe the

[14:03] links to China are fairly minor surface

[14:05] level on the pulse phones, I don't think

[14:07] that can be argued for the flip. The

[14:09] compass app ZTE, the AI engine ZTE, the

[14:12] fingerprint service ZTE, and we should

[14:14] probably at this point just register the

[14:16] 20 to 30 and sometimes more permissions

[14:19] given to these services.

[14:22] Anyway,

[14:24] Techbar then goes on to say, "If you

[14:26] think it took me a lot of effort to find

[14:28] this flip phone example, it's not like

[14:30] that." He says, "Look into any of their

[14:32] products and you'll find a Chinese

[14:33] copy." And credit where credit's due, I

[14:36] too found one in about 3 minutes of

[14:38] soouththing. Their website has a

[14:40] download section here. So, that takes

[14:41] you to, I guess, the support page. Need

[14:44] help setting up your device? Well, screw

[14:46] you because that button doesn't work.

[14:48] Good start. In fact, the one link on

[14:50] this page that actually does work is a

[14:52] link to the app for the kids watch that

[14:54] they sell. You click download Lee Fine

[14:57] Technology. Lee Fine Technology

[15:01] doesn't sound Indian. So, let's search

[15:04] that up. Oh, would you look at that?

[15:05] Based in Shenzen. And it's not just a

[15:08] software thing. Yet again, the hardware

[15:10] on the Leifine website looks identical

[15:12] to the hardware that AI Plus is selling.

[15:14] So, very likely another ODM to add to

[15:17] the list. But then the most curious

[15:18] example that tech bar gives is the

[15:20] wearbuds. The AI plus also launched.

[15:22] This watch that contains earphones

[15:24] inside of it which MV have said at the

[15:26] launch event were also

[15:27] >> this is the design which we have

[15:28] designed in India patented in India.

[15:30] >> Techbar claims this product too is in

[15:32] fact clearly just this product made by a

[15:35] Chinese company AI power. What on earth

[15:37] is happening here? And this is super

[15:39] weird. If you go on to the official

[15:41] verified Instagram page of this Chinese

[15:44] AI power company, they actually posted

[15:46] about the AI plus launch event with the

[15:48] caption wherebuds watch great

[15:50] cooperation with AI plus brand. If this

[15:53] product was designed entirely in India,

[15:55] why would a Chinese brand, and yes, I

[15:58] know they're a Chinese brand because I

[16:00] asked them and they told me, say great

[16:02] cooperation. And while we're at it,

[16:04] doesn't this AI power logo look a little

[16:07] familiar? As a matter of fact, I've

[16:09] actually cut out the AI Plus logo here,

[16:12] and you can watch me live as I show you

[16:13] that you can place the AI from AI Plus

[16:17] exactly on top of the AI and AI power.

[16:20] Does that strike you as two companies

[16:21] who have nothing to do with each other?

[16:24] How many Chinese partners can this one

[16:26] anti-Chinese company have?

[16:32] 14 days later, both of these videos

[16:35] disappeared from the internet. The Delhi

[16:37] High Court in India granted AI plus an

[16:39] exparte injunction against the YouTubers

[16:42] which means that without hearing them

[16:44] first techiser and tech bar were now

[16:46] restrained from publishing disparaging

[16:49] content about AI plus or M of chef. And

[16:52] there's one more wrinkle a third person

[16:53] was named John Doe. This is the court's

[16:56] way of also saying unnamed future

[16:59] critic, which means it's the two

[17:00] YouTubers, but also anyone else that is

[17:03] banned from and could be charged for

[17:06] speaking against AI Plus. This clause

[17:08] has already led to legal action against

[17:10] at least 10 other YouTube videos. That

[17:12] is a drastic response. So, I decided

[17:16] it's time to call in the eagle.

[17:21] So, could you clarify what exactly an

[17:23] exparte case is? Exparte is where you

[17:26] are the only side going in front of the

[17:29] court. Only one side is presenting their

[17:31] case. And you can imagine in an

[17:33] adversarial system that relies on both

[17:35] parties being there that if you're the

[17:37] only one in the court, it's a whole lot

[17:39] easier to present your case than it is

[17:40] that the other side is contradicting the

[17:43] things that you are saying.

[17:44] >> Right. That makes sense. But then in

[17:47] what kinds of contexts are you expecting

[17:49] to see exparte?

[17:50] >> For example, a domestic violence

[17:52] restraining order. uh often happen

[17:55] exparte because there are presumably

[17:58] real safety risks if both parties were

[18:00] there. So that's an example of something

[18:02] where an exparte procedure is used more

[18:05] often.

[18:06] >> Yeah, that's what's confusing me. This

[18:08] isn't that at all. This is a tech review

[18:10] where the reviewers have been critical

[18:12] to the brand but also the guy behind it

[18:14] >> in the context of seeking an order

[18:17] preventing the disclosure of tech news

[18:21] or a tech news related thing that would

[18:23] be basically unheard of.

[18:24] >> He explained that expartate at least in

[18:26] the US would require you to show

[18:28] irreparable harm and that if in this

[18:30] context any damages created could be

[18:33] solved by just paying someone money i.e.

[18:35] financial loss, then that wouldn't count

[18:38] as irreparable.

[18:40] But that's the US.

[18:41] >> I do know that the laws are very

[18:42] different between the United States in

[18:44] particular and India. In the United

[18:46] States, you basically cannot be held

[18:48] liable for defamation if what you're

[18:50] saying is true. The laws in India are

[18:54] much more plaintiff friendly and they

[18:56] are much stricter to the point where

[18:58] sometimes even saying something that is

[19:01] true can give rise to a defamation

[19:04] claim. Okay, got it. All right. Thank

[19:08] you very much. Appreciate it. So, given

[19:11] that I'm not in India, I'm going to give

[19:14] you my opinion, which is allowed here. I

[19:16] think that if you own a company and

[19:18] people are criticizing that company and

[19:19] you, then they're entitled to that. If

[19:22] you disagree with them, I don't think

[19:24] you should be able to go for an

[19:26] emergency gag order like this. That

[19:27] doesn't mean you sit in silence. I think

[19:29] you should just make your own video.

[19:30] Explain why and that message will find

[19:33] the audience that it needs to. In fact,

[19:34] you know what? That's exactly what Carl

[19:36] Pay does whenever people roast his

[19:38] nothing products. And I rate him for

[19:40] that.

[19:44] Okay, I feel like we've established how

[19:46] the product isn't as Indian as we've

[19:47] been led to believe. How this CEO has

[19:49] gone to an unprecedented extreme when

[19:51] called out for it. But before we take

[19:54] this all to the big man himself, I've

[19:56] been trying to figure out cuz this is

[19:57] very important when you're assessing how

[19:59] guilty someone is. Does this company

[20:02] deserve our benefit of the doubt? Yeah,

[20:05] it's a no from me, Chief. It's just

[20:08] interesting how on YouTube these phones

[20:09] were getting absolutely cooked, but on

[20:11] AI Plus's own website, every single

[20:13] phone seems to have a flawless five-star

[20:15] review. And then you click into those

[20:17] reviews and you realize it's a fivestar

[20:19] review no matter what people are saying.

[20:21] Some people are literally just filling

[20:23] out support forms seemingly with

[20:24] questions like, "Where I buy now? Can

[20:26] you please guide me?" Yeah, that's a

[20:28] glowing five-star review if I've ever

[20:30] seen one. And then you realize, oh wait,

[20:32] it doesn't even matter if they're

[20:33] actually saying it sucks. Like this

[20:35] comment here, it's a five-star. A lot of

[20:37] the reviews on Flipkart are just as

[20:39] organic. The screen quality is great and

[20:42] the camera performs well. The display

[20:44] looks great and the camera is reliable.

[20:47] The display is sharp and the camera is

[20:49] solid. It's almost as if some of these

[20:51] reviews are generated, but no, surely

[20:55] not. Not from the company who has ended

[20:57] their official terms and conditions

[20:59] section with, "Let me know if you'd also

[21:01] like a downloadable version, a version

[21:02] for your Shopify website's policy page,

[21:04] or tailored clauses for international

[21:06] customers or B2B transactions." Oh, you

[21:10] guys starting to get the same picture

[21:11] that I am about this brand? Or how do

[21:13] you remember that borderline racist

[21:15] advert with the loan and the Chinese

[21:17] man? Does it feel just a little bit

[21:19] ironic that with an ad like that, this

[21:21] AI Plus site also reads, "You while

[21:24] providing your personal information over

[21:25] the platform, consent to us and other

[21:28] third parties like credit bureaus to

[21:31] contact you through SMS, instant

[21:33] messaging apps, call and/or email." And

[21:35] worse still, if we smack this same link

[21:37] into the Wayback Machine, it used to

[21:39] specifically spell out personal loans.

[21:43] Whoops. I could keep going. A lot of the

[21:45] marketing material appears not entirely

[21:47] original. They've posted photos claiming

[21:49] to be taken on their phones that every

[21:51] photographer I have sent them to has

[21:53] confidently said is basically not

[21:55] possible. But ultimately, I decided we

[21:57] have enough questions now that we need

[21:59] to take them to the CEO himself. Now, I

[22:02] have actually called Mardov once

[22:03] already, but what he said was so

[22:05] confusing. It felt like he was

[22:07] constantly changing his mind as he was

[22:08] speaking. So, I've taken everything he

[22:10] said. I've distilled it down to the key

[22:12] things that I think really matter in

[22:14] this case. And now it's time to lay it

[22:17] all out in front of him to really

[22:19] properly in one go confront him.

[22:26] Right. Let's do this.

[22:28] >> Yeah. Great. Great setup, huh?

[22:30] >> You're getting the full BTS here.

[22:32] Yesterday, I think the AI Plus website

[22:34] went down. Did that have something to do

[22:36] with our conversation?

[22:37] >> Yeah, I'm removing everything. I'm

[22:39] redoing it. I put up after your

[22:41] feedback, I put up about a special team,

[22:43] hired a website agency on the weekend.

[22:46] >> Well, I noticed when the website was

[22:48] launched again, the reviews section was

[22:51] gone. I was happy to see that. So, the

[22:52] website did suck, but at least he's

[22:54] taken the feedback and started actioning

[22:56] it pretty quickly between our first and

[22:58] second conversation. We were off to a

[23:00] good start. One of the main reasons your

[23:01] brand exists is you're trying to, you

[23:03] know, build things in India from now. A

[23:05] part of it from what I understand is

[23:06] that you've also expressed a lot of

[23:08] concern about Chinese phones. What

[23:10] exactly makes these Chinese phones a

[23:13] risk in your mind?

[23:14] >> Chinese phones are not a risk in my

[23:16] mind.

[23:16] >> Okay,

[23:17] >> let's divide economy and consumers

[23:19] first. They are not risk to the

[23:21] consumers. I'm talking about the economy

[23:23] wherein the revenues and the technology

[23:25] transmit the technology knowh how from

[23:27] last 10 years intentionally or

[23:28] nonintentionally has not been

[23:30] transferred to India.

[23:31] >> Okay. But then this advert it's implying

[23:34] very strongly that Chinese phone not

[23:36] safe AI plus this advert is made for a

[23:39] consumer right?

[23:40] >> Yeah there were 300 Chinese apps which

[23:41] are banned in India and it was a app

[23:44] which was basically for small loans or

[23:47] for a fintech loans and there were a lot

[23:49] of suicide cases around it. So if you're

[23:50] talking about an particular ad I'm just

[23:53] an 8 months old brand. I would have made

[23:55] a lot of mistakes and I admit to the lot

[23:56] of mistakes which I would have made it.

[23:58] So would you say this advert is an

[24:00] example of a mistake?

[24:01] >> I would not say that that's a complete

[24:03] mistake. You stand by the ad.

[24:06] >> Yeah.

[24:06] >> You stand by it. Yeah. Okay. So he says

[24:08] the ad is fine because it's based off a

[24:10] bunch of real Chinese apps that did

[24:12] cause people to lose money. But still

[24:14] for more reasons than one, I don't think

[24:16] this is the kind of messaging that

[24:17] anyone should be doubling down on.

[24:19] Moving past that though, in our first

[24:20] interview, we asked Mavv about the three

[24:22] Chinese apps that the YouTubers found on

[24:24] their phones. Were they real? and he

[24:26] said

[24:26] >> yes there were but that was not on the

[24:29] Indian version that was on the global

[24:31] version for Nepal for Indonesia and for

[24:33] Sri Lanka and every other countries

[24:35] which I'm testing

[24:36] >> so you're saying that no one who buys

[24:38] one of these phones in India will get

[24:40] any of these apps but I need to ask you

[24:44] that because I'm holding one of them

[24:46] bought in India and I have these apps I

[24:48] feel like as soon as I revealed that I

[24:50] too was holding the phone Marv kind of

[24:53] pivoted

[24:54] >> which version are you holding it in That

[24:55] is what I have to check. I'm again

[24:57] saying you yes I'm not saying no. This

[25:00] were probably the initial testing units

[25:02] not at all possible.

[25:04] >> So specifically in a really concise way

[25:06] what are you suggesting has happened

[25:08] here? Why do I still have these apps on

[25:09] my phone?

[25:10] >> See I just have to check the kernel

[25:12] source has been picked or not. I do not

[25:14] have the device with me. I do not know

[25:16] what exactly has happened until unless I

[25:17] see the device.

[25:18] >> What do you think has happened given

[25:20] that I can guarantee you this phone has

[25:21] come out of the box. It's been booted up

[25:23] and it's been connected to Wi-Fi.

[25:25] >> See, I'm again telling you I really need

[25:27] to check the software and version five

[25:30] you are saying is a December 25 software

[25:32] which is from some small account which

[25:33] was never a software which was ever

[25:35] there. That is the reason I have to

[25:36] check what has happened is it been

[25:38] tweaked

[25:39] >> but you're saying that and you've told

[25:41] me this before as well that launch

[25:43] devices don't have these Chinese apps on

[25:45] them. Is that right?

[25:47] >> Yeah. All the current devices which have

[25:50] been launched they do not have any

[25:51] Chinese apps. Pulse 2 as well. Nova 2.

[25:54] >> I'm talking about Ultra which I just

[25:56] recently launched.

[25:57] >> What about the Pulse 2? Does that have

[25:59] Chinese apps?

[26:00] >> No, they don't not have 110%. They

[26:03] should not have it.

[26:03] >> Okay. So, what would you say then if I

[26:05] say I've got mountains of evidence of

[26:08] your own customers on Flipkart who all

[26:11] show images of these apps on their

[26:13] phones including

[26:16] >> reals, content from all over the place,

[26:18] YouTube tutorials.

[26:19] >> That's what I'm trying to tell you,

[26:21] right? I'm not sure that you know again

[26:23] I have not gone through that content

[26:25] what you're saying what I said

[26:27] guarantees about Nova 2 and Nova ultra I

[26:30] definitely guaranteed that right

[26:31] >> I want to show you something right now

[26:33] so I didn't tell him this but as well as

[26:35] the Pulse 2 and the Nova flip phone I

[26:38] also have one of the Nova 2Os that he's

[26:41] so insistent is completely spro free yes

[26:44] I hired someone on Fiverr to buy a lot

[26:46] of phones for me but guess what first

[26:47] time I booted it up it had all three

[26:50] Chinese spro Procom apps installed. Now,

[26:53] there was an update and sure enough,

[26:54] when I installed it, the apps did

[26:56] disappear. But him sitting there acting

[26:58] like I'm absolutely crazy for suggesting

[27:00] that these apps were on at least some of

[27:02] his phones at launch when I've seen them

[27:04] across like 30 different sources at this

[27:06] point is not the problem that I thought

[27:08] I'd be having. Not to mention that even

[27:10] with those apps gone on my Nova SPRO

[27:13] weather clock, I wonder what SPRO stands

[27:16] for.

[27:16] >> Can you just do me one favor? If you can

[27:18] just tell your person to buy a new

[27:20] device in India and open up and check it

[27:23] because I also want to understand

[27:26] >> is that very real? Yes or no? I'm more

[27:29] than willing because I also want to go

[27:30] through it. If I made a mistake, I will

[27:32] admit it.

[27:33] >> But do you understand why that's quite

[27:34] hard for me to get behind given that

[27:36] this was the predominant message in the

[27:38] YouTube videos that have been forced to

[27:40] be taken down, right? Is that these

[27:42] Chinese apps exist? You're definitely

[27:43] aware of this situation. Why is it that

[27:46] now you're telling me, "Oh, if this is a

[27:48] problem, I'll look into it."

[27:49] >> No, I was also telling the same thing to

[27:51] them. It was not that it was only about

[27:53] the Chinese apps. But at the same time,

[27:55] what phone software which you are

[27:57] telling me right now, that version was

[27:59] never existing, which you are telling me

[28:01] right now. It has never been existed.

[28:02] I've checked all the records. It has

[28:04] never been existed.

[28:04] >> What does it mean for software to have

[28:06] never existed before? I will spare you

[28:08] the full conversation here, but

[28:10] basically I spent 15 full minutes trying

[28:12] to see if I can get Marv to admit that

[28:14] just something is wrong here that needs

[28:16] internal investigation. It's blatantly

[28:18] obvious to me, but he just kept

[28:20] insisting that the software on my phone

[28:23] didn't exist. And I still don't

[28:25] understand what that means. Of course it

[28:27] exists. I'm stuck on it. Now whether or

[28:29] not this is the reason for the lack of

[28:30] updates, this absurd inconsistency

[28:33] between what he seems to think is on the

[28:35] phones versus what actually is does line

[28:38] up very well with what something that

[28:39] the industry insider warned us about

[28:41] >> because the biggest issue is also on the

[28:43] quality control. They will be okay with

[28:45] a certain level of defects. When you

[28:46] handle secondhand components, you know,

[28:48] when you kind of realize that one

[28:49] component or one phone has a defect, you

[28:51] cannot trace the initial batch to

[28:53] understand where the problem is from and

[28:54] how you can fix it. I myself have bought

[28:56] one of these phones from Flipkart to

[28:58] test it and I'm not seeing any kind of

[29:00] software update. They're telling us that

[29:02] there should be some sort of March

[29:03] software update. I've only got December.

[29:05] Could this lack of quality control be

[29:07] the reason that some people are not

[29:09] getting the software update which should

[29:11] get rid of these Chinese apps?

[29:13] >> Oh yeah, of course. I mean 100%.

[29:15] >> Oh, also do you know how Marv asked me

[29:16] to buy another device to check? Well, I

[29:20] did. I bought two more on his request. I

[29:22] asked our Fiverr contact to get one from

[29:23] Flipkart and one from Amazon in India.

[29:26] And would you believe it, even those

[29:28] phones, both of them bought in India,

[29:30] set up in India, had all the Chinese

[29:32] apps still there and no update

[29:34] available. So, the last thing I'm going

[29:36] to say about this Chinese app situation

[29:37] is either Marav is incredibly alarmingly

[29:40] unaware of the state of his own devices

[29:43] or he's gaslighting me and I don't know

[29:45] which one is worse. Anyway, in the last

[29:47] call, I also brought up the topic of

[29:49] bloatware. Now, one of the main selling

[29:50] points of this phone, you've talked

[29:52] about it in your podcast quite a bit, is

[29:53] you're trying to kind of erase bloatware

[29:58] free.

[29:58] >> When you go into the game space, you do

[30:01] see a bunch of preloaded games. And I

[30:03] wanted to ask,

[30:05] my friend, I I don't think so is there

[30:07] the final version anymore. It's not

[30:09] there. During the December, we were

[30:11] testing multiple hundreds of softwares

[30:14] and games on a particular device. you

[30:16] will see some bloodware free only as of

[30:18] now right and we like to keep that way

[30:21] itself there's no gaming app there's no

[30:23] nothing

[30:24] >> you said to me and tell me if I'm

[30:26] understanding this right that on launch

[30:28] software all the bloatware is gone

[30:30] >> yeah everything has gone out

[30:31] >> it's worth mentioning to you that I have

[30:33] also found you know all these flip cart

[30:36] customers again they also have game

[30:38] space and this is on the second

[30:40] generation phone

[30:42] >> I'm again telling you which version is

[30:44] it I want want you to pick up a new

[30:46] version. You've been speaking again and

[30:48] again. Repetitive.

[30:50] >> It's repetitive cuz I don't understand.

[30:52] How can he keep denying something that's

[30:54] so obviously there? Gamespace, including

[30:57] all the bloatware games, exist on my

[30:59] Pulse 2 phone. It exists on other

[31:01] people's YouTube videos. It even exists

[31:03] on my Nova 2 phone, which has had the

[31:05] latest update. Anyways, we weren't

[31:07] making progress here, so I decided to

[31:08] move on. In our first call, Mardav also

[31:11] gave a very confusing answer as to what

[31:13] it means for his products to be made in

[31:15] India. If everything is expertly

[31:18] imagined in India,

[31:19] >> this product is not just made in India.

[31:21] It's confidently imagined

[31:23] >> and yet you're saying you're an ODM,

[31:26] then is this not imagined in China

[31:28] originally? The Pulse Swan was imagined

[31:30] in China, just to be clear.

[31:31] >> Yeah.

[31:32] >> Okay.

[31:32] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And basically, because

[31:34] that's when I learned from it. On the

[31:36] last call, you talked about how the

[31:38] pulse one was imagined in China and that

[31:41] you learned from it. Is that right?

[31:43] >> I did not say then I what did I say then

[31:47] that pulse one is a basic form. You do

[31:49] not need to design on it because there

[31:51] are ready solutions around it for the

[31:52] basic 4G and the basic 5G phones. So for

[31:55] me to imagine over there or imagine over

[31:56] here is one and the same thing.

[31:58] >> I guess I just want you to understand

[31:59] that the reason there is so much

[32:01] scrutiny in this case is just because of

[32:03] how much you leaned into it in that

[32:04] launch event. I think going forward from

[32:07] the next launch event I think I'll be

[32:08] more specific

[32:10] >> on what exactly which components are

[32:13] buying from which country which no brand

[32:15] has done it. I want you to buy my flip

[32:17] phone also from India and see

[32:20] specifically from day one I have given

[32:22] credits to ZT on the boxes.

[32:25] >> All right let's talk about ZTE shall we?

[32:28] So, I had asked Mardiff about how the

[32:30] flip phone resembles a ZT on our last

[32:32] call and he confirmed

[32:34] >> it is from ZTE only.

[32:36] >> This is still pitched as an AI plus

[32:38] branded phone. You've got your own name

[32:39] for it. You've got your own branding for

[32:41] it. If I was an AI plus fan because of,

[32:43] you know, what I've learned about the

[32:44] company, I would think, oh great, you

[32:46] know, a phone that's keeping my data in

[32:47] India.

[32:48] >> I never deceived AI plus users by saying

[32:50] that this is something which I've

[32:52] designed in India. This I very

[32:53] categorically say that this is the phone

[32:55] which also has a ZTE label on the phone

[32:57] box.

[32:58] >> He thinks it's enough that the thing has

[32:59] ZTE on the box. I disagree since this

[33:03] tiny footnote is the only reference to

[33:05] ZTE on the box. And having sat through

[33:07] the entire launch event, I can confirm

[33:09] that the name ZTE was not mentioned once

[33:12] during it. But now is where I think I

[33:14] started to really push his buttons.

[33:16] Okay, so near the end now, but I just

[33:17] wanted to ask you this AI power company

[33:19] that we talked about last time. When did

[33:21] you start working with them?

[33:22] >> So I would say it would be 2022 end or

[33:25] 2023 early where I started interacting

[33:27] with them for buying a brand name. Air

[33:29] power is a good name to have it.

[33:31] >> What I want to clarify then is with

[33:33] bbuds for example, did they make the

[33:35] product? Did you make the product or was

[33:37] it co-developed?

[33:38] >> It was co-developed together. Would you

[33:40] still count that as like designed in

[33:42] India if you're saying you've

[33:43] co-developed it with a company where

[33:45] >> already I filed a patent for it alone?

[33:48] >> That's okay. You can have the patent. I

[33:50] believe that but it's just you know the

[33:51] co-founders of this company are Chinese.

[33:53] The HQ is in

[33:54] >> I'm again telling you I have the patent

[33:56] not only in India but I have a patent in

[33:59] about 60 countries for that. So I have

[34:01] the patent with me for the technology

[34:03] and I invested in the technology. Hence

[34:05] I know that you know basically I was

[34:07] able to buy that patent for it. Now, the

[34:09] reason I'm pushing so hard is what he's

[34:11] saying doesn't make any sense to me.

[34:13] He's told us that he started working

[34:15] with this company in 2022, 2023, right?

[34:18] There are hundreds of pieces of content

[34:20] showing that were buds as a brand and

[34:23] series of products existed years before

[34:25] that. So, is it possible that Marv had

[34:28] some input into the design of this

[34:30] latest generation of Wearbuds? Perhaps.

[34:32] But do I think it's fair for him to then

[34:34] claim that his product was designed in

[34:36] India?

[34:37] >> No.

[34:38] No, I don't. The way I see it, this is a

[34:40] bit like if I went into Apple. They've

[34:42] already been making iPhones for 20

[34:44] years, but just because I potentially

[34:46] suggested some things for the iPhone 18,

[34:49] I call the iPhone 18 designed by Aaron.

[34:52] But now it was time to bring up the

[34:53] elephant in the room. When I asked him

[34:54] before why did he feel like it was right

[34:56] to order those YouTube videos down, he

[34:59] said,

[34:59] >> "They put up a video, so we reached out

[35:01] to them

[35:02] >> that can we resolve your queries? We

[35:04] reached out to them, but they did not

[35:06] respond to it. If you are not able to

[35:08] hear my point, let me at least get an

[35:10] injunction. We just said that please put

[35:12] our viewpoint also. You can put your

[35:15] videos back up along with a follow-up

[35:17] video that this is what the brand is

[35:19] also saying and we open for it.

[35:21] >> And as well as this idea of needing to

[35:24] hear the brand out first. He also kept

[35:26] referring to how the YouTuber's videos

[35:27] contained unverified claims. It was

[35:30] based on unverified claims having no

[35:33] third party validation or any audit

[35:36] validation. See we have just launched a

[35:38] phone

[35:39] >> and I would invest in maybe more than 20

[35:42] to $30 million to just to bring that

[35:44] particular phone and if after investing

[35:46] an huge amount of money to bring two

[35:49] devices back without putting even my

[35:51] side of the story I would have been

[35:53] completely geoparadized my entire sales

[35:57] and the launch.

[35:58] >> Okay. So, I can understand the feeling

[36:00] of investing tons of money into your

[36:02] next big venture. I can understand the

[36:04] pain of people criticizing it and then

[36:06] the panic that you might feel if they

[36:07] don't respond to you when you reach out.

[36:09] But what I don't understand is this idea

[36:11] that if they're not responding, let me

[36:14] at least get an injunction. As if that's

[36:16] just a normal thing to do when people

[36:18] don't say what you want. Because you got

[36:19] to remember, there's a power dynamic

[36:21] here. This company is worth tens of

[36:23] millions of dollars. They can sue

[36:24] YouTubers if they want and create this

[36:27] dystopian situation where only their

[36:29] side of the story is the allowed truth.

[36:31] I've seen firsthand the emotional

[36:33] turmoil that this has caused people. And

[36:35] so, what creator, especially the smaller

[36:37] ones, are going to risk everything to

[36:39] challenge a company like this if core

[36:41] orders become the precedent? That's just

[36:43] not on the freedom for reviews to be

[36:45] authentic without fear is crucial.

[36:48] Thankfully, and I have no idea if this

[36:50] is in response to how hard I pushed back

[36:52] or something completely unrelated,

[36:54] between our first call and our second,

[36:55] MV seemed to have had a change of heart.

[36:58] >> I was thinking over this weekend, I

[37:00] don't think so that probably I should

[37:01] have been so harsh in putting up a case.

[37:03] It's a community which I think I should

[37:05] respect even more. I did something in

[37:07] Jiffy. I think I should uh have not done

[37:09] it and probably I think I'm even willing

[37:12] to, you know, just take it back. Do you

[37:14] feel like it is is reasonable to expect

[37:16] any YouTuber, any journalist to have a

[37:19] third-party audit and to like approach

[37:22] you first before pointing out issues on

[37:24] your devices?

[37:25] >> I would not uh say that, you know, they

[37:28] should approach me first.

[37:29] >> Okay.

[37:29] >> But if I'm trying to approach them, at

[37:31] least be responsive to it. I'm willing

[37:34] to see and improve and learn from it.

[37:36] >> Okay.

[37:36] >> But being nonresponsive made me more, I

[37:39] would say, in a jify situation. But my

[37:41] actually the fight was not with any of

[37:45] the YouTubers. The fight was with an

[37:48] agency who was in between trying to then

[37:50] manipulate towards creating more

[37:52] misunderstandings between brand and

[37:54] YouTubers.

[37:55] >> So for the record, you don't agree that

[37:57] companies should take down or behave in

[38:00] the way that you did.

[38:01] >> Yeah, I agree. I I completely on records

[38:03] I agree that I think I did something in

[38:06] haste which I think probably I should

[38:07] not have done it against the creators.

[38:10] I'm again saying my fight is against the

[38:12] agencies.

[38:12] >> What he means by agencies, by the way,

[38:14] is the agencies that manage YouTubers,

[38:16] the ones that companies like AI Plus

[38:18] would contact presumably to arrange

[38:20] brand deals with creators. So, I'm

[38:22] really glad that he said that he's made

[38:24] a mistake and he's likely going to try

[38:25] and reverse it, but has he convinced me

[38:28] that he genuinely sees the error in his

[38:30] ways?

[38:32] No, he has not. This feels a lot more

[38:35] like he's seen the error of what it

[38:38] means to get on the wrong side of every

[38:40] YouTuber ever, which is, I'm guessing,

[38:42] why he's now deflecting to blaming the

[38:44] agencies. And this point, he's made

[38:46] crystal clear with a follow-up third

[38:48] phone call and message to clarify. But

[38:51] what's just come to light makes this

[38:53] feel, to me, at least like far too

[38:55] little too late. Because Techweiser just

[38:57] had their first hearing in court. This

[38:59] is the first time they got to present

[39:01] their side of the story and they claimed

[39:02] that the only reason Marv was able to

[39:04] get this ex party order is by using

[39:07] tricks. So remember I said that one of

[39:09] the defendants named was John Doe. Well,

[39:11] turns out that Marv named John Doe as

[39:13] the main defendant. What that means is

[39:16] while you usually have to serve notice

[39:17] to a defendant so they have a chance to

[39:19] defend themselves by making the main

[39:21] defendant not a real person, the court

[39:24] accepted that you can't warn them in

[39:26] advance. So you put John Doe there only

[39:28] so as to to obiate the need and to to

[39:31] ensure that nobody appears on day one to

[39:33] defend what they've done. And then on

[39:34] top of that to cover themselves even

[39:36] when they did contact Techiser with the

[39:38] legal order they sent it to an email

[39:40] address that Techweiser says doesn't

[39:43] exist. Even though AI Plus has

[39:45] Techiser's real email and has used it

[39:47] multiple times before to contact them.

[39:49] By sending the court order to this

[39:51] supposedly fake email where they knew

[39:53] Techweiser wouldn't see it, it meant

[39:55] that the YouTuber wouldn't know about

[39:56] the court case until it was too late.

[39:58] >> He knows who I am. He knows all details.

[40:00] He knows my reputation and my

[40:02] credibility, but strangely can't find my

[40:04] email ID to which he just corresponded 2

[40:06] days before he filed the suit.

[40:07] >> And in doing all this, AI Plus in a way

[40:10] have created their ideal outcome.

[40:12] They've already successfully suppressed

[40:14] the negative coverage for weeks. So it

[40:16] almost doesn't matter if they lose the

[40:18] case when it ends in August or later and

[40:20] the videos come back online

[40:21] >> because by then the content would have

[40:23] been off in this critical juncture

[40:25] coinciding with the launch of their

[40:26] product.

[40:27] >> So now with that context MV now telling

[40:29] me that he wants to rescend his core

[40:31] order doesn't really mean anything and

[40:34] so upon hearing this and seeing the

[40:35] evidence the judge has decided that Mav

[40:38] has to be summoned into court to answer

[40:40] for himself.

[40:41] >> Who is the plaintiff in this?

[40:42] >> Hello Mr. Madav set I believe has signed

[40:45] for the plaintiff.

[40:46] >> Please have him here after tomorrow. We

[40:48] need some answers permit but this kind

[40:49] of a thing we are not going to permit

[40:51] let nobody be under this impression that

[40:53] they can put full wool over our eyes. We

[40:55] want to dispel this notion.

[40:56] >> Despite Mav's noble words to me, he

[40:58] failed to show up in court meaning that

[41:00] the next hearing has been pushed to the

[41:02] first week of August. The YouTuber's

[41:04] videos are still down while new

[41:05] marketing campaigns to promote AI plus

[41:07] products are still coming out. The final

[41:09] decision awaits, but I know where I sit.

[41:12] And by the way, I think there's a decent

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