What is the Biggest Mistake Marvel has Made?

[00:15] Let's rewind. Rewind.

[00:21] Welcome back to Screen Crush Rewind. I'm

[00:23] your host, Ryan Ary, and today we're

[00:25] going to have a lot of fun. I have a

[00:26] feeling a lot of you guys are going to

[00:27] have a lot of fun in the comments with

[00:28] this question, too. It is quite simply,

[00:30] what is the biggest MCU mistake? Now, we

[00:33] got a few people on that we're going to

[00:35] talk to about this. If you guys have any

[00:36] super chats, they're always encouraged,

[00:38] but not required. Please feel free to

[00:39] drop them. We'll get to the comments a

[00:40] little bit later in the conversation.

[00:42] And we've already got a super chat.

[00:44] Thank you so much, Michael Redini. We'll

[00:45] get to that in a second. Uh, and I just

[00:47] want to lay out some criteria here.

[00:48] There it can be whatever kind of mistake

[00:50] you think. So, if you think it's

[00:51] something on the corporate level, if you

[00:53] think that there is a character that

[00:54] Marvel killed off, who should have not

[00:56] been killed off, or somebody they should

[00:58] have killed off, or a story they

[00:59] shouldn't have adapted, whatever it is,

[01:02] you can talk grand corporate strategy or

[01:04] we can get super granular with this. So,

[01:06] I am really excited to talk to everybody

[01:07] about this. Uh, first up, you know him

[01:09] as the guy who's trapped in our TV but

[01:11] doesn't know it. So, please don't tell

[01:12] him. Mr. Colton Agurn, what's up,

[01:14] Colton?

[01:15] >> I've got to [clears throat] get some new

[01:16] headphones. You always cut out right as

[01:18] you're bringing me on. It's super

[01:19] annoying.

[01:20] >> Got to get me some

[01:21] >> Well, it's good to see you.

[01:22] >> Wireless headphones. Good to see you.

[01:24] Yeah,

[01:25] >> I know you have no complaints about the

[01:26] MCU or Star Wars or anything else. So,

[01:29] um I I hope you can try to think of some

[01:32] kind of mistake for this.

[01:33] >> Well, I don't know, Ryan. Hold up. Yeah,

[01:35] I got my direct deposit. Yeah, no

[01:37] complaints.

[01:37] >> Oh, okay. So, all right. So, you have

[01:40] nothing bad to say because Marvel is

[01:42] >> filling your pockets with cash. And next

[01:44] up, you know him as the co-host of the

[01:46] Comic Book Club podcast, the guy without

[01:48] a cute nickname yet, Mr. Alex. What's

[01:50] going on, Alex?

[01:51] >> Uh, you can call me Wuzzles. How about

[01:53] that? Is that cute? Is that a cute

[01:54] nickname?

[01:55] >> It doesn't It's cute, but it doesn't

[01:56] It's not appropriate. We'll figure it

[01:58] out. I don't know.

[01:59] >> That's what I That's what I call him.

[02:01] [laughter]

[02:03] And hey, speaking of wuzzles and

[02:05] wuzzlelike things, because the wuzzles

[02:06] are actually a cartoon from the 1980s,

[02:10] and this person loves to cover cartoons

[02:12] and animation on her channel, Whitney

[02:14] Vision, Miss Whitney Van Lingham, what's

[02:15] going on, Whitney?

[02:17] >> Hi. I'm so excited because as a person

[02:20] who's never made a mistake ever in my

[02:22] life, I can't wait to talk about

[02:24] Marvel's mistakes.

[02:26] >> Absolutely. And if there's one thing we

[02:28] all can be assured of, it's that we are

[02:30] definitely the ones who should be

[02:32] casting the first stones. You look back

[02:33] at our lives and [laughter] our careers

[02:36] and we are without spot. So of course we

[02:39] are in the best position to tell

[02:40] professionals like Kevin [laughter]

[02:42] Feige and the Russo brothers and all

[02:45] these filmmakers what they should have

[02:47] been doing from the safety of the back

[02:48] seat. Right.

[02:50] >> Yeah.

[02:51] >> That being said, um look, we're Monday

[02:53] morning quarterbacking. Obviously, I

[02:56] would not trust me to do anything uh

[02:59] Marvel wise for any amount of money, but

[03:02] it's kind of fun to complain and let

[03:03] people know what we think they should

[03:04] have done. I don't know who wants to go

[03:06] first. Who's got I've got a list, so I'm

[03:09] I'm not in a rush. Who wants to go

[03:10] first?

[03:11] >> I wasn't aware of the topic literally

[03:13] until you messaged [laughter] me a few

[03:15] minutes ago.

[03:16] >> Oh, it's on the spreadsheet.

[03:18] >> Yeah, I know. I'm just saying I've

[03:19] already have several though. [laughter]

[03:21] >> Okay.

[03:21] >> Yeah.

[03:22] >> Well, hit us with one. Don't be shy.

[03:25] goes first.

[03:26] >> Falcon and the Winter Soldier should

[03:27] have been a movie and it should have

[03:29] been like a a direct like followup to

[03:33] Endgame cuz Ingame ends with Sam being

[03:36] given the shield game was like the

[03:39] second biggest movie ever. Everybody saw

[03:42] Endgame and it's just really weird that

[03:45] the followup to that is a Disney Plus

[03:49] show. I I just think that's odd. Why not

[03:51] do another Captain America movie? have

[03:53] it star uh Sam Wilson and Bucky, two

[03:57] guys who have been, you know, co-leads

[03:59] really in the Captain America movies,

[04:01] you know, behind Steve Rogers. Uh you

[04:03] could have had even, you know, old man

[04:05] Steve Rogers in it if you wanted to. I

[04:08] think Joe Biden plays the elderly Steve

[04:10] Rogers, right? So you could have had him

[04:11] come in.

[04:12] >> Yeah.

[04:13] >> Yeah. So I wish I wish he had ran again

[04:16] as Steve Rogers.

[04:17] >> As Steve Rogers, right? Yeah. Things

[04:19] would be different.

[04:20] >> I think he might run again. I think the

[04:21] third time's a charm. I think next time

[04:23] we just need to nominate him one more

[04:25] time. I think one more time.

[04:27] >> Yeah. I just

[04:29] >> look, Falcon and the Winter Soldier is

[04:30] far from perfect, but I think it has a

[04:32] far more interesting and like compelling

[04:35] story than Brave New World did. Like I I

[04:38] think it would have been so much more

[04:40] interesting of a story to tell on the

[04:42] big screen. I Bucky is like a fan

[04:44] favorite. like that Winter Soldier

[04:46] character is like beloved by like even

[04:49] like more like casual MCU fans like

[04:52] maybe fans who aren't diehard Screen

[04:54] Cross watchers but they you know they do

[04:56] make sure they go watch all the MCU

[04:58] movies like that kind of like

[04:59] middleground fan between Normie and

[05:01] Superfan. So I think they could have

[05:03] really I think they would have been

[05:06] really smart to make that the movie

[05:07] instead of just dropping that on Disney

[05:09] Plus and then doing the the half-baked

[05:11] movie later. I I think things could look

[05:13] different had they done that.

[05:14] >> Let me ask you this. Okay, so I I kind

[05:17] of agree. I always thought like that as

[05:19] a status, right? You have all Zemo, all

[05:21] these people, um you know, Isaiah

[05:24] Bradley, John Walker, like those are

[05:25] seinal stories from the comics and

[05:27] seinal characters who have already been

[05:29] established in movies. So, yeah, I do

[05:30] agree in that sense. But if it if it

[05:32] goes from six episodes, which were not

[05:34] long, but they were about 40 minutes

[05:36] each, and you condense it to a movie,

[05:38] what plot lines do you think or do you

[05:40] guys think you can lose from that?

[05:44] >> Probably. I mean, as much as I like her,

[05:46] all the stuff with what is it? Aaron

[05:48] Kellerman. Uh, and I'm forgetting the

[05:50] name of the group she was in. The ones

[05:53] >> Flag Smashers,

[05:55] >> you know, if you focus it down on who

[05:57] is, you know, Battle for the Shield type

[05:59] thing with US Agent, with Bucky kind of

[06:02] standing back, but still sort of being

[06:03] there to step in, Falcon, also Isaiah

[06:06] Bradley. I guess like that makes it at

[06:09] least more of a focused and a follow-up

[06:11] like you're talking about Colton because

[06:13] even though Cap handed over the shield,

[06:15] you still expect that there's going to

[06:17] be a little friction there. And even in

[06:18] the comics, there was some friction as

[06:21] well for sure.

[06:22] >> I I don't know what's the character's

[06:24] name. Carly, right? We're talking about

[06:27] Is that who you were talking about? The

[06:28] Okay.

[06:29] >> Yeah. Yeah.

[06:30] >> I I don't I don't know if I want less of

[06:33] her. Like I mean she's a really

[06:34] interesting character that really puts

[06:36] Sam in this position where okay I'm

[06:39] already you know in a in an America

[06:43] where maybe a black man being Captain

[06:45] America is going to be you know hard for

[06:47] a lot of people to swallow. Like he's

[06:49] already facing those struggles but also

[06:52] here he is trying to say no I'm not

[06:54] defending a terrorist. I'm defending a

[06:56] kid who has been like uh you know

[06:58] misguided and is really you know if you

[07:01] think about it the reason she is the way

[07:03] she is is because of our own failures.

[07:04] And instead of you got to do better

[07:06] senator we could just have a movie that

[07:08] actually like shows instead of tells

[07:10] that. So while the John Walker portion I

[07:14] think is interesting from the show. If I

[07:17] had to pick between which one of them is

[07:19] like the the villain, the the obstacle,

[07:21] I I think I'd probably lean more toward

[07:23] Carly.

[07:24] >> Or I would get rid of Carly and keep the

[07:26] Power Broker as the villain.

[07:29] >> Like because that's really what it is

[07:31] that the source of it is that they're

[07:32] selling the that somebody has access to

[07:35] the super soldier for,

[07:36] >> right? And can I say I haven't seen it

[07:38] since co

[07:41] Oh, no. It holds up, dude. Like some of

[07:43] the action

[07:43] >> I completely forgot her name was Carly.

[07:45] I'm not going to lie to you. I was

[07:47] sitting there waiting for someone to say

[07:49] the name cuz I was like, "Shit." Oh,

[07:51] yeah. I forgot. Flag Smasher. I always

[07:54] see that cuz the depths of my colon that

[07:56] I had to sift through like while Alex

[07:59] was talking to try to find her name and

[08:01] find

[08:02] [laughter] I got it.

[08:03] >> Yeah. No, I was hoping someone would say

[08:05] it cuz I was like, "Shit, what was that

[08:07] kid's name?"

[08:07] >> Dude, I forget so many names on here all

[08:10] the time and Alex never does.

[08:11] >> I forgot Tom Walker yesterday. I called

[08:14] him [ __ ] Captain America. [laughter]

[08:16] >> But we knew who given name. That's just

[08:19] we only called John Walker Johnny

[08:21] Mayonnaise because [laughter] MTU forgot

[08:23] his name one time and was like, "What's

[08:25] that guy's name?" Johnny May or

[08:27] something.

[08:28] >> Wider than Tucker Tucker Carlson. Hey,

[08:31] Alex, we did have a good suggestion

[08:33] here. So Ethan's gas tune gave us two

[08:34] bucks and said, "Alex, the guy who's

[08:36] always available for the stream." What

[08:37] do you think about Alex, [laughter] the

[08:38] guy who's always home?

[08:40] Alex, the guy.

[08:42] >> I mean, that's sad, but it's true.

[08:44] >> Well, [laughter] I mean, like, I've got

[08:46] no room to talk. Whitney, throw us throw

[08:49] us a mistake. There's so many super

[08:51] chats right now we have to get to later.

[08:52] Like, it's a record.

[08:54] >> Are they all saying how correct I am

[08:55] about my

[08:56] >> Yeah, people pay money just to let you

[08:58] feel validated. Exactly. [laughter]

[09:02] >> That's the opposite of therapy where I

[09:04] go to feel validated and I pay someone a

[09:06] lot of uh a lot of money. Um, give it to

[09:09] me now. Uh, no. My biggest uh Marvel

[09:13] mistake in my opinion, I think that they

[09:16] should have killed Ant-Man in Quantia.

[09:20] I think that they should have gone the

[09:22] death of Ant-Man comic route. I think

[09:25] that that should have led to Cassie Lang

[09:28] heading up the Young Avengers, maybe

[09:30] even starting the West Coast Avengers

[09:33] kind of a deal cuz we've been in New

[09:35] York so much. Come on, bring bring a

[09:38] little my way. It's all on your side of

[09:39] the country. Give me Give me some LA out

[09:42] here. We only have Wonderman so far and

[09:45] Trevor Slatterie. Give us

[09:47] >> Ang She-Hulk. And She-Hulk. Uh, another

[09:50] one that's not

[09:51] >> that's like probably not coming back.

[09:53] Um,

[09:54] >> all you have is the Spurs loser.

[09:56] >> Yeah, we got we got Cowboy Deadpool,

[09:58] which I actually just picked up the

[09:59] Marvel Legends figure of. That's very

[10:01] cool. [laughter]

[10:02] >> Hell yeah.

[10:04] >> That's Whitney. That's a great We've

[10:05] made a couple videos on that and I think

[10:07] everyone was expecting him to

[10:08] >> I have too.

[10:09] >> Yeah. And

[10:10] >> I made so many theory videos on that

[10:12] before it came out cuz I was like that's

[10:14] the only way to keep the stakes cuz a

[10:17] lot of a problem that I've had with like

[10:19] a lot of the recent Marvel movies is

[10:21] that they used to have such like

[10:23] highstake moments where you would

[10:24] actually be sitting in the theater

[10:26] going, "Oh my god, how are they going to

[10:28] get out of this? How are they going to

[10:29] solve it?" And so when I was seeing

[10:31] trailers and like the poster and like

[10:33] Kang stepping on the helmet and

[10:36] everything, like I

[10:37] >> thought, "Oh [ __ ] this is totally gonna

[10:40] go there and like be the death of

[10:41] Ant-Man." That this is going to be

[10:43] awesome. We're going to finally get

[10:45] crazy high stakes like we had at the end

[10:47] of Infinity War going into Endgame, end

[10:50] of Endgame going into everything else.

[10:53] Uh, I was so hyped for the MCU to

[10:56] finally have like a crazy crazy death

[10:59] and it didn't work.

[11:01] >> It It borders on idiotic that that they

[11:04] didn't do it. Like I I get that he's

[11:06] Paul Rudd. You want Paul Rudd in the

[11:08] Avengers movie.

[11:08] >> Paul Rudd, but come on. Come on. Come

[11:10] on.

[11:11] >> Also,

[11:12] >> this is the Marvel No one's ever really

[11:15] dead universe. You could have had him

[11:18] get like brutally like you could have

[11:20] had what happened to Kang happen to

[11:22] Ant-Man. Have him like get brutally

[11:23] sucked into that power core or

[11:25] something. Have Kang like pushing his

[11:27] face into the power core and him getting

[11:29] like sucked into it and then he could

[11:30] have brought him back in King Dynasty.

[11:32] Well,

[11:32] >> well,

[11:34] you know, the original ending. I'm still

[11:36] holding out hope for King Dynasty,

[11:38] though.

[11:38] >> Me, too.

[11:39] >> You never know.

[11:40] >> They're working on it.

[11:41] >> I hear I hear it's dro I hear they're

[11:43] going to drop it on uh Daily Wire Plus.

[11:45] Yeah, I hear Ben Shapiro is looking hard

[11:47] on the script as we speak.

[11:49] >> Well, he's got Jonathan Majors all

[11:51] locked up. Or does he? Um, so the Would

[11:54] you guys be okay with the original

[11:55] ending of Quantum Mania where he was

[11:58] trapped in the quantum realm and then um

[12:00] Cassie like ends and finds the Young

[12:02] Avengers protocol on a computer? I think

[12:03] the reason they said they didn't do

[12:04] that, maybe it didn't test well, but

[12:06] also they were like, "This is three

[12:07] movies in a row where they end up in a

[12:09] quantum realm." And I personally think

[12:11] that would have been great because I

[12:12] just think you end it with Scott and

[12:13] Janet looking at each other and going,

[12:14] "Not again." Yeah. And then that's it.

[12:17] >> Totally.

[12:18] >> It's an Ant-Man movie. It's supposed to

[12:19] be Dags.

[12:21] >> Whitney's ending, I think, is the the

[12:23] perfect ending. Have him die. But yeah,

[12:24] the second best would have been at least

[12:26] have them be trapped there. But no, they

[12:28] were just

[12:29] >> and they could have done a whole, you

[12:30] know, at the ending of uh it was like

[12:32] Stranger Things season 3 where they like

[12:35] have Hopper die and they make it super

[12:37] real and they make it super believable

[12:39] and you're like, "Holy shit." before

[12:41] like the postredit scene obviously and

[12:43] like I remember being like, "Oh my god,

[12:45] he's really [ __ ] dead." And like they

[12:47] have all the characters like crying and

[12:49] Eleven has to move to California. They

[12:51] could have done that with Cassie Lang

[12:54] because I think that that would have

[12:55] been a really cool I mean sorry that I'm

[12:58] sitting here like that teenage girl

[13:00] should have had her dad die to give her

[13:02] life stakes and

[13:03] >> well she's not real.

[13:06] Yeah. I mean I think it would have been

[13:09] a really really cool Yeah. [laughter]

[13:12] >> I think it would have been a cool ass

[13:13] character motivation. I just do. I think

[13:15] that that could have been a really cool

[13:17] start to something. And then if they did

[13:19] bring him back and there was a reunion,

[13:21] she would have changed because she

[13:23] didn't have a dad and then he'd be like,

[13:25] "But I still love you." Ah. And it'd be

[13:27] so fun and cool to see that.

[13:29] >> And it also in the comics really hurt

[13:31] Kang. It really hurt

[13:35] by Ant-Man.

[13:37] >> I love Ant-Man. Ant-Man's a powerful

[13:40] character,

[13:41] >> but you don't have him beat Kang in a

[13:45] fist fight. This and [clears throat]

[13:46] then

[13:48] have him get small and crawl up his

[13:49] butt. That's the only way I support him

[13:52] beating Kang. And that didn't happen

[13:54] either. So, [ __ ] me. I guess

[13:56] >> it's like if Dark Side got beaten by

[13:58] Plastic Man. That it's sort of on that

[14:00] level.

[14:00] >> I will push back. plastic man is

[14:03] terrifying [laughter]

[14:04] >> that well

[14:06] >> if if I actually I'm a I'm a quantum

[14:09] mania defender right because when we

[14:11] talk about he was beaten by ants I've

[14:12] even like going into the science of this

[14:14] in videos like ants are so strong have

[14:17] like such power and then when they're

[14:19] that big the surface tension they would

[14:21] be like tanks like millions of

[14:23] unstoppable tanks so of course that

[14:26] would destroy his armor and his force

[14:27] field and you have to do that to Kang in

[14:29] that moment he has to be put on his back

[14:31] foot. But you're right, he has to

[14:34] triumph. And like Daniel Daniel RPK has

[14:36] said that their original plan was not to

[14:38] have Kang, but the council of Kangs be

[14:40] the villain. Like that's a great idea

[14:42] for Kang Dynasty. And I think you're

[14:44] right. I think it just destroyed any

[14:46] kind of not momentum, but any kind of

[14:49] excitement over that character, Alex.

[14:50] >> Yeah. No, it totally failed a street

[14:52] crowd.

[14:53] >> We've been talking. Wait, just Alex, I

[14:54] want to hear yours because I'm sure

[14:55] these aren't the only ones you guys

[14:57] have, so we're going to keep circling

[14:58] back to different ones as well.

[15:00] >> Sure. I mean I rather than a specific

[15:02] one I'll throw out a broadstrokes one

[15:04] about Marvel that's been said a billion

[15:06] times but this drives me off the ball is

[15:08] the lack of followup on end credits

[15:11] scenes. I think that has almost hurt

[15:14] Marvel more than anything else because

[15:17] you could do it once like you could miss

[15:19] one thing like you could do the Baron

[15:20] Bordo thing and miss following up on him

[15:23] being like no more sorcerers and like

[15:25] all right that's fine we skip by that

[15:26] maybe we'll come back to it later.

[15:28] >> Maybe he was just mad. Maybe he was just

[15:29] hungry when he said that. We don't know.

[15:31] >> Exactly. Yeah. Maybe just he's like

[15:33] >> And there was that there was that really

[15:35] big movie that they could have followed

[15:36] that up in that that [laughter]

[15:38] multiverse of madness movie,

[15:39] >> right? But but it's not like my point is

[15:42] that like you could do that once, maybe

[15:44] twice where you're like, "Okay, I

[15:45] understand there was a reason we blasted

[15:47] past that thing." But they've done that

[15:49] so many times now it starts to erode

[15:52] audience trust because rather than

[15:54] having where they started where it's

[15:56] like, "Oo, it's Nick Fury. What's going

[15:57] to happen with him?" Well, I'll find out

[15:59] in Iron Man 2. Thor's hammer showed up

[16:01] at the end. Where's that? Oh, the next

[16:03] movie is Thor. So, like it's this

[16:05] started as this very straightforward

[16:07] thing. And suddenly you have all of

[16:08] these end credit scenes of Shani being

[16:10] like, "What's the secret signal from

[16:12] space? You'll never find out. You're

[16:15] never going to know. I mean, maybe we'll

[16:16] know in doomsday, but like up until then

[16:19] later years." Yeah.

[16:21] >> Exactly. [clears throat] And it then it

[16:22] becomes not careful planning. it

[16:24] becomes, oh crap, there's this thing on

[16:26] this board that we got to tie up with a

[16:28] bow somehow because we left it dangling.

[16:30] Like that's definitely how I felt when

[16:32] they finally came back to the celestial

[16:34] in the ocean in Captain America: Brave

[16:36] New World where it wasn't like, "Ooh,

[16:38] they planned this the whole time. It

[16:40] was, oh, right, that thing was there.

[16:42] That was a thing that they left behind."

[16:44] They just again like I think it's the

[16:47] overall sense of the universe sort of it

[16:51] spills out into the movies and the TV

[16:52] shows itself where it starts to feel

[16:54] like well if those aren't important none

[16:57] of the rest of this is important. If

[16:58] you're not going to follow up on that I

[17:00] don't have to watch anything else.

[17:02] >> Yeah. Uh, James Gun said he doesn't want

[17:04] to do um postredit scenes in the DCU

[17:06] that actually tease things because he

[17:08] was locked into Adam Warlock from

[17:10] Guardians 2 and he had a hard time

[17:12] fitting him into Guardians 3. I

[17:13] >> I think there's a happy medium there

[17:15] honestly between what Gun is saying and

[17:17] what MCU has been doing for a while

[17:20] where if you know [clears throat] a

[17:22] project is coming, you can throw

[17:24] something in there for sure and tease

[17:26] it. It doesn't all have to be uh what

[17:28] was it? Mr. Terrific and Superman

[17:30] stereo. Take a scene from it. Yeah,

[17:32] exactly.

[17:32] >> Like they would do like in Ant-Man,

[17:33] there's a scene from you, Winter

[17:35] Soldier.

[17:36] >> Took took the words right out of my

[17:37] mouth that

[17:39] >> that's what the postredit scenes need to

[17:41] be is because they always know what the

[17:44] next one coming out is. They might not

[17:46] have it locked down with the the next

[17:48] one like in five movies down the road,

[17:50] >> just put a postredit scene that

[17:53] >> that also just makes more sense from a a

[17:55] marketing perspective. If you've got a

[17:57] movie coming out in May and then you've

[17:59] got one coming out the following

[18:01] December, have the postredit scene for

[18:03] the May one be for whatever the December

[18:05] movie is. It doesn't have to be

[18:06] >> put a gag in.

[18:08] >> Yeah. And a gag a gag postredit scene.

[18:10] Yeah.

[18:10] >> Right.

[18:11] >> Taylor Swift is now what the MCU used to

[18:14] be in terms of like Easter eggs and like

[18:16] seeding future projects. And I really

[18:18] think that the MCU needs to go back to

[18:22] being Taylor Swift because Taylor does

[18:25] it in a really cool way where she rolls

[18:28] things out. I'm sure you guys have seen

[18:30] Taytory. Yeah, that's right. That's

[18:32] right. I hijacked this live stream to

[18:34] talk about Taylor Swift.

[18:36] >> We were going to do a video on Taytory,

[18:38] but um I basically texted the wrong

[18:40] person. They never got back to me and it

[18:42] was cuz I

[18:42] >> Yeah. Why didn't you text me, you

[18:44] [ __ ]

[18:44] >> I didn't know. I didn't know. I didn't

[18:46] know. Winnie, why didn't you tell me you

[18:47] were Taylor Swift Taylor Swift? I didn't

[18:49] >> I love Toy Story. I love cartoons and I

[18:51] love Taylor Swift. Yeah. How are you

[18:53] supposed to know that? We're only We're

[18:54] friends, Ryan. That's how

[18:56] >> you never talk to me about Taylor Swift,

[18:57] though. We talk about this [ __ ]

[18:59] Anyways, anyways. [laughter] Anyways,

[19:01] I'm turning off.

[19:02] >> She creates hype. She creates hype by

[19:04] seeding tiny little details years and

[19:07] years apart. even though they are years

[19:10] and years apart, fans can still actually

[19:12] connect them back to things because they

[19:15] do eventually actually happen. And she

[19:17] makes sure that all of her things do pay

[19:19] off. And she also does the thing where

[19:22] she doesn't start leaving Easter eggs

[19:23] for something until a project is

[19:25] actually confirmed. She started seeding

[19:28] Toy Story Easter eggs back in like

[19:30] November with her outfits. It's crazy.

[19:32] That woman's the Zodiac Killer. So, I

[19:35] think Marvel needs to do that. Michael

[19:37] Rendini gave us $10 on a super chat and

[19:39] has a thought that echoes what uh Alex

[19:41] and you guys are saying here. Not really

[19:43] using the multiverse until Fantastic 4,

[19:46] Scrapping Kang, using Doom Too late, no

[19:48] Avengers films, and abandoning Shang

[19:50] Chi. That movie was so much fun and the

[19:52] setting felt fresh. So yeah,

[19:54] >> they mean by having a film actually take

[19:57] place in a different universe.

[19:59] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. By like and I

[20:01] think we did a video when Spider Noir

[20:03] came out. I made the same point like

[20:05] >> why didn't we just get this? Why

[20:07] couldn't we have had like something in a

[20:08] western or whatever?

[20:10] >> Didn't you kind of want um was it

[20:12] She-Hulk to or was that a theory going

[20:14] on? People wanted She-Hulk to be

[20:16] revealed that it was taking place in a

[20:18] different universe or or like come the

[20:20] end of um

[20:21] >> it would it would make sense. I mean

[20:23] that that would not break that would

[20:24] make her fourth wall breaks not break

[20:26] continuity. I keep pushing for Shanqi in

[20:28] the 1970s. Like gritty 1970s scorsi

[20:31] Shani movie shot on 35 millimeter.

[20:34] >> I mean, if you're gonna do a multiverse

[20:36] saga, like I like No Way Home for what

[20:39] it is. I guess I could [ __ ] about it

[20:41] for hours and I I had fun with Deadpool

[20:43] and Wolverine, but you would think maybe

[20:45] if you want to do a multiverse saga,

[20:48] maybe you like tell Sony, "Hey,

[20:50] >> let's do a Spider-Man 4 with Toby. Let's

[20:52] do another X-Men movie or something." If

[20:55] you really want to build up to these

[20:56] different universes like all heading to

[21:00] this same like culmination point where

[21:02] they literally are going to collide,

[21:03] that would have been cool. Well, here's

[21:06] mine and mine's along these my first one

[21:08] along those same lines. Marvel

[21:10] officially bought Fox. Um, basically

[21:13] Disney was buying Fox. It was started to

[21:16] like their bid got approved in 2017. It

[21:18] was finalized in 2018. And I remember

[21:21] people asking Kevin Feige, "Oh, when

[21:22] when you gonna do the X-Men?" He's like,

[21:24] "Well, we plan everything like five, 10

[21:26] years in advance, so not for a while."

[21:29] So, first of all, call in [ __ ] on

[21:31] the planning thing because as we found

[21:33] out and as we'll talk about in a second,

[21:35] um, they will absolutely shuffle

[21:38] something in if they think it's going to

[21:40] do well. Like, Agatha all along was not

[21:42] part of the overall plan. I don't think

[21:44] I think that it did well and they had a

[21:46] great concept and they listened to the

[21:47] creatives and they said, "Yeah, we'll do

[21:48] Agatha all along. That sounds

[21:49] fantastic." I don't know why it'll be 10

[21:53] years before we get the X-Men in the

[21:54] MCU.

[21:56] That to me is ridiculous.

[21:58] >> Shuffle's the wrong sh word. It's more

[22:00] like shoehorn. They'll shoehorn it in

[22:01] for sure.

[22:03] >> Yeah. And especially, like I said, we'll

[22:05] get that in a second. But when you look

[22:06] at the X-Men, I'm like, "Okay, so I

[22:07] looked forward. The reason I didn't mind

[22:09] when Disney bought 20th Century Fox and

[22:12] called this venerated studio is because

[22:14] I was like, "Oh, cool. The X-Men are

[22:15] going to be in the MCU." because I

[22:16] wanted to see the X-Men introduced

[22:19] slowly and find ties to the existing

[22:22] universe and you know we had all these

[22:23] different theory videos and stuff we did

[22:25] like maybe read Richard's work for

[22:26] Shield stuff like that and um I think

[22:29] it's really weird that instead they were

[22:31] like oh yeah no let's you know those Fox

[22:33] X-Men movies that had run out of gas and

[22:35] nobody really likes anymore let's bring

[22:37] that team back and let's do the

[22:39] multiverse thing instead instead of just

[22:43] reintroducing them into this universe I

[22:46] don't I feel like the sentimentality

[22:47] toward those old movies was a little

[22:48] misguided and that we've had several

[22:50] movies saying goodbye to that franchise,

[22:52] the Fox X-Men, and they should have just

[22:54] introduced them in the MCU.

[22:55] >> Well, and it was right there to have the

[22:57] Fantastic Four have been trapped in the

[22:59] negative zone, have it be the quantum

[23:00] realm that and they could have not aged

[23:02] and everything. Sorry, Alex. Go ahead.

[23:04] >> No, no, [snorts] no. I I was just going

[23:05] to throw out there that I I feel like it

[23:07] points to this thing with the MCU

[23:08] sometimes where they both have too much

[23:10] time and then too little time to do

[23:12] everything. at least from my very

[23:14] outside perspective looking at

[23:16] production and post-production where

[23:17] they're like, "We got to really sit on

[23:18] this X-Men idea for 10 years." But when

[23:20] it comes down to it,

[23:22] >> they'll be like, "Oh, we didn't have a

[23:23] script." And we're on set. Oh my god. Uh

[23:26] like it the immediate thing that's been

[23:28] top of mind for me is that they're not

[23:31] shooting Secret Wars until August of

[23:33] this year, which granted it's a over a

[23:36] year out until the movie comes out in

[23:40] theaters. So technically that should be

[23:41] at the time for any movie. But it's

[23:44] weird to me that they didn't film

[23:46] Doomsday and Secret Wars back toback

[23:48] that they didn't really have, as far as

[23:50] we've heard, any sort of plan or script

[23:52] or real shooting order or anything like

[23:54] that on Doomsday. And I know that's been

[23:57] part and parcel with the MCU since the

[23:58] beginning since they were improvising on

[24:00] Iron Man and everything, but that

[24:02] clearly is not working. Like other ways

[24:04] of doing things are working. And whether

[24:07] it is subbing in the X-Men and figuring

[24:09] out a way like, okay, we have this. How

[24:11] do we make it work? How do we actually

[24:13] not take our sweet time and plan it out,

[24:16] but figure out how to make this universe

[24:17] better but

[24:20] push forward on those things in an

[24:22] appropriate amount of time. Give

[24:24] yourself an appropriate amount of time.

[24:25] Plan out things. There was, I know I'm

[24:27] kind of just blathering and monologuing,

[24:29] but there was this quote from Tom

[24:33] Holland the other day where he was

[24:34] talking about how he was on the Odyssey

[24:37] and saw Christopher Nolan making a movie

[24:39] and actually planning advance and he's

[24:41] like,

[24:42] >> "Have you guys ever thought we could

[24:43] maybe do this with a Spider-Man movie?

[24:45] We should try that."

[24:46] >> That's what I was about to say as you

[24:48] were saying that.

[24:48] >> Have we tried being film makers in the

[24:51] MCU? Have we tried working with films?

[24:53] He he even called out he even called out

[24:56] in that interview that you're talking

[24:58] about how um they'll plan like the whole

[25:01] action sequences and set pieces ahead of

[25:03] time and then do the story around it.

[25:05] And didn't he say like he pretty much

[25:07] told them we're not doing that like

[25:09] Yeah.

[25:10] >> And who was the writer? I I just read a

[25:12] report that they brought a writer in who

[25:14] like reworked the whole brand new day

[25:16] script before they started filming. Um

[25:20] let me look. you guys talk amongst

[25:21] yourself, but they brought in like a

[25:22] well-known writer from another show that

[25:24] kind of gave the script a pass before

[25:26] they started filming.

[25:27] >> You know, it's interesting though

[25:28] because, you know, Alex, you mentioned

[25:29] that was kind of what they did with Iron

[25:31] Man and especially Iron Man 2 where the

[25:33] creative committee were throwing their

[25:34] notes into it. One of the few exceptions

[25:37] were the Avengers movies and the

[25:39] Guardians of the Galaxy movies where you

[25:40] had a director who was also a

[25:41] screenwriter and all these other

[25:43] instances and this is mostly taken from

[25:44] the brand of Marvel Studios book. They

[25:47] started to have this pattern of getting

[25:49] their visual effects started. Like you

[25:51] said, Colton, they know the big action

[25:52] scenes, which by the way is not unusual.

[25:55] John Woo, uh, George Miller, a lot of

[25:57] great action directors, Christopher

[25:59] McQuary on the Mission Impossible films,

[26:01] they start filming those Mission

[26:02] Impossible movies before they have a

[26:03] script because they do the stunts. So

[26:05] Haley Atwell, when she meets Tom Cruz's

[26:07] character in that movie where she meets

[26:08] him, I think it's the first reckoning

[26:09] one, she has no idea why they're

[26:11] running. No one does. They just know

[26:13] they have to run, you know. Um, and they

[26:16] were they would do the visual effects

[26:17] and build everything around that. And

[26:18] then like you said, eventually you just

[26:21] run out of steam. And I think that gets

[26:23] into my next one, which I'll talk about

[26:24] in a second.

[26:25] >> But I there's nothing wrong with that in

[26:28] itself. There's nothing wrong with

[26:30] saying we don't have the exact details

[26:32] of the script locked down, but these

[26:34] movies and especially these set pieces

[26:36] are a a lot to get done in a short

[26:39] amount of time. So, it's okay to start

[26:41] pre-planning, but So, I'm not saying you

[26:43] have to have like a completely finalized

[26:45] every single detail script,

[26:47] >> but at least have an outline. It It

[26:49] sounds like they start planning these.

[26:51] Yeah, it sounds like they start with,

[26:53] "Oh, well, we're going to have a fight

[26:54] scene on a train.

[26:56] >> Why? I don't know who we are. We'll

[26:59] figure it out.

[27:00] >> We'll figure it out or something."

[27:01] >> And then you bring in your indie

[27:03] director who you bring in an indie

[27:04] director who's good with actors and they

[27:06] can do all those dialogue scenes in

[27:08] between. And they tell them, they

[27:09] literally told Anna Bowden and Ryan

[27:10] Fleck, don't worry about the visual

[27:12] effects stuff. We got that.

[27:14] >> And if you want to insert any like

[27:16] dialogue in the fight that would come

[27:17] later, you can just go in and insert

[27:20] that, you know, do tight shots of the

[27:21] actual like exchange,

[27:22] >> but they do those shots later. I mean,

[27:24] that's the thing, like they work on all

[27:25] these sequences, they get them mapped

[27:27] out. If they do the same thing on the

[27:28] Fast and Furious movies where they're

[27:30] usually not on location, it's very rare.

[27:32] like Vin Diesel. Yes, he was in Rome. He

[27:34] was in Cuba. But usually when they film

[27:36] those scenes, they're not on location.

[27:38] They're in the studio in front of a blue

[27:40] screen.

[27:41] >> Yeah. The guy

[27:42] >> Diesel just goes those places because he

[27:44] wants to go, you know, like he was like,

[27:47] "Oh, Rome sounds great. Cuba, great."

[27:49] >> Which explains why he's always hours

[27:50] late to set.

[27:52] >> Yeah. 100% explains that.

[27:54] >> The guy that wrote Challengers was

[27:56] brought on to do kind of a last

[28:00] >> explains it. Yeah. Yeah. Do you think

[28:02] there's going to be a scene with MJ and

[28:05] Peter and

[28:07] >> Peter's new and MJ's new guy?

[28:09] >> Yeah, the new boyfriend.

[28:11] >> The new boyfriend and and Spider-Man and

[28:14] they're going to have to make out. Holy

[28:15] [ __ ]

[28:16] >> Ned's watching happening.

[28:17] >> Dream come true. Yeah, Ned's in the cuck

[28:19] chair. Of course. [laughter]

[28:21] >> He's the guy in the cuck chair.

[28:23] >> YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I YEAH, Ned's in the

[28:25] cuck chair. You got to have THAT ONE

[28:27] GUY.

[28:28] >> THE GUY IN THE CHAIR. YEAH, [laughter]

[28:33] >> it's hilarious.

[28:34] >> I'm sorry I killed you.

[28:35] >> It's hilarious. It's really [laughter]

[28:38] >> Well, anyways, Phil Rumba from Down

[28:39] Under gave us eight Australian dollars

[28:41] and said the multiverse saga never had

[28:43] its Thanos without a clear overarching

[28:45] big bad. Everything felt disconnected

[28:47] and directionless. How's Doug doing?

[28:48] He's great. Um I they did have a big

[28:51] bad. It was Kang. They were setting Kang

[28:53] up. He was there. He was in Loki. He was

[28:57] um he appeared in you know they gave him

[28:58] his start in Quantum Mania and then it

[29:00] turned out oh it's not Kang it's the

[29:02] council. They they tried to pull a bait

[29:03] and switch on us that just

[29:06] >> they're not jazz anybody up.

[29:08] >> I mean that points to not to get too

[29:11] deep into it or anything but like the

[29:14] trifecta of things that were working

[29:15] against Marvel during this time period.

[29:17] One is COVID. The second is the fire

[29:21] hose of content that Disney was telling

[29:23] them to produce both for Disney Plus and

[29:26] for theaters. Particularly when like

[29:28] >> they didn't know how to make TV and they

[29:30] still kind of don't know how to make TV.

[29:32] They're sort of retroactively being

[29:33] like, "Huh, how do you make TV? We

[29:35] should look into that."

[29:36] >> Pilots.

[29:37] Interesting.

[29:38] >> I don't know. Showrunners. What are we

[29:40] thinking? Yeah. And then the third thing

[29:41] is the situation with Jonathan Major

[29:44] which threw an enormous wrench into

[29:46] Eddie plans that they had for Kang. And

[29:48] there were certainly ways around that

[29:50] other than coming up with Robert Downey

[29:52] Jr. as Dr. Doom, but that's what they

[29:56] went with. And again, like Yeah. What

[30:00] other he can't recast somebody in the

[30:03] multiverse. That doesn't work.

[30:04] >> But he had a no recast

[30:06] >> he had a no recast thing a clause in his

[30:08] contract. So because he knew his Yeah.

[30:10] Because he he knew in the multiverse

[30:12] saga

[30:13] >> he wanted to play variations of himself.

[30:15] He didn't want to be acting against

[30:16] somebody else playing King.

[30:17] >> Now that presumably would have included

[30:19] an endmification clause which would mean

[30:21] that you know had he done something like

[30:23] get convicted of a crime

[30:25] >> then they could recast him. But then

[30:27] you're getting into a whole other thing

[30:29] where

[30:30] >> basically he was exonerated legally in

[30:32] that whole deal. And you know that like

[30:34] you talk to attorneys like Mike Misella

[30:36] came on and was like actually this is

[30:38] what happened. So it gets really sticky.

[30:40] Alex is right about that.

[30:41] >> Okay. But you know what? I no I don't

[30:42] accept that excuse because one you're

[30:44] right. He he violated the clause that

[30:47] was totally in there that you know if he

[30:48] did any brand uh hurting of their brand

[30:51] they could totally recast him and like

[30:53] his and you know what

[30:55] >> if he doesn't like it if he thinks he

[30:56] has a case then he can sue them. Have

[30:58] fun suing Disney. I can't believe I'm

[31:00] saying that about the giant corporation.

[31:02] But yeah, have your pay Disney.

[31:04] >> Yeah, they just pay him off and he'd be

[31:06] done. So I don't like that excuse.

[31:07] [laughter] I think it was

[31:08] >> No, Disney pays you.

[31:09] >> Don't pay me. Pay me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[31:11] Yeah.

[31:11] >> I I think it was pathetic. [laughter]

[31:14] >> Yeah. Yeah. I think it was pathetic they

[31:16] didn't recast King Kang. I always

[31:17] thought that was so incredibly

[31:20] >> such a disrespect.

[31:21] >> I'm with you. I think that it's

[31:23] ridiculous that like dude, if if I one

[31:27] time, this is a true story. I got fired

[31:30] from uh a job because I was really

[31:33] really hungry and it was a half day and

[31:35] we were getting out at 1 pm, but at like

[31:37] 11:30, I was like, I'm so hungry. I got

[31:40] to go get a sandwich. And I came back

[31:42] and my boss was like, it's a half day.

[31:45] You couldn't have just waited till you

[31:47] clocked out. Why would you do this? And

[31:48] I was so hangry that I was like, "Leave

[31:51] me alone. I need to eat so bad." Uh, and

[31:54] I got fired from that job. And

[31:56] rightfully so, because I was being

[31:58] shitty. I should not have left in the

[32:00] middle of a workday to get a sandwich. I

[32:03] shouldn't have been cranky at my boss

[32:04] cuz I was hangry. That was on me.

[32:06] >> I mean, what majors did was a lot worse.

[32:09] >> Exactly. So, if I can accept it,

[32:11] >> I'm not even sure. Yeah,

[32:12] >> that's what I'm saying. I deserve to

[32:14] lose that job. He way deserved to lose

[32:17] that job. And he and his contract should

[32:19] be broken. My contract got broken. I

[32:21] didn't get paid anymore. They could they

[32:24] they could have they they definitely

[32:25] recast my position of social media

[32:27] manager. Uh and rightfully so. They

[32:30] should have. Why can't they recast Kang?

[32:33] He did something shitty at work, too.

[32:34] >> I think it's super weird to fire

[32:36] somebody for getting a sandwich. That's

[32:37] just me, though. Jerry

[32:40] happened.

[32:41] >> Jerry Ross gave us five bucks and said,

[32:43] agreeing with what we said before,

[32:44] Marvel's biggest mistakes are

[32:45] introducing new characters then doing

[32:46] nothing with them like America Chavez

[32:48] and cliffhers that never get resolved.

[32:50] Um who's the new character they

[32:52] introduced? You guys are like, "Oh my

[32:53] god, how have they not done anything

[32:55] with this person since then?"

[32:57] >> Oh, Scar. Everybody loves Scar when he

[32:59] showed up in She-Hulk. Where is he? Why

[33:01] don't we have our own Scar?

[33:03] >> We all celebrated the appearance.

[33:04] >> Give him time to grow out that awful ass

[33:07] haircut. That's where he is.

[33:09] >> He's such a great character in the

[33:10] comics. I don't want to go into the

[33:12] whole lore now, but he really is. I

[33:13] think that's a great one.

[33:14] >> It's too

[33:16] It's too much everything. It's too many

[33:19] movies. It's too many shows. And it's

[33:21] way too many damn characters that

[33:23] there's something special about quality

[33:25] over quantity when there's too many.

[33:27] Like I used to think I needed to buy

[33:30] every single Marvel and Star Wars action

[33:32] figure that came out, but eventually I

[33:34] just ended up with a collection of 75%

[33:36] of figures that I didn't care about or

[33:38] want. It's much more special when you

[33:40] just buy the ones you want. Plus, you

[33:43] save some money. And and I before we get

[33:45] off at Kang, I just want to say in terms

[33:47] of mistakes, introducing not only the

[33:50] character and the entire concept of your

[33:53] movie franchise saga in a Disney Plus

[33:56] show

[33:58] might be the single biggest mistake they

[34:00] could have made. And I say that Loki is

[34:02] my favorite MCU show. I love Loki, but

[34:06] you do not introduce your Thanos and the

[34:08] entire concept of your film saga on a

[34:12] show.

[34:13] >> It is that

[34:14] >> yeah the show should have always been

[34:16] regarded as if you did watch this you

[34:17] get extra context which I thought Brave

[34:20] New World except for Isaiah Bradley felt

[34:22] like that it felt like a limited series

[34:23] that took place between the main series

[34:26] Mike gave us three bucks and said

[34:28] Taskmaster Kang and Modoc were

[34:30] mishandled that's a pretty good one too

[34:33] uh Modoc great character in the comics

[34:35] great character you know great show with

[34:37] Patton Oswalt it made cross returned but

[34:41] man

[34:41] >> I don't even when you said Modok I I

[34:43] don't even register him as Modoc. Like I

[34:46] was like Modoc when did they do Oh, they

[34:49] did do Modok kind of.

[34:51] >> Yeah. And Quania did get a little bit

[34:53] too Rick and Morty, the Jeff Lovenness

[34:54] of it all. Like the broccoli headed guy,

[34:57] stuff like that. Like it it veered too

[34:59] far toward that. Um H Portillo gave us

[35:02] two bucks and said biggest mistake was

[35:03] no Avengers movie before Doomsday. So

[35:05] this gets into what I was going to say.

[35:06] I I've said this a hundred times that

[35:09] you can introduce all these characters

[35:11] and you can do this, right? But not

[35:13] having an Avengers movie, I think, is

[35:15] what made people leave because you

[35:17] stopped feeling like, you know, there's

[35:19] look, not that not that you have to

[35:21] watch art to feel like a completionist,

[35:24] but when there are so many things to

[35:27] watch and then real life and things to

[35:29] go out and do and grass to touch and

[35:31] waterfalls to bask in and you're asking

[35:33] people to watch six episodes of

[35:35] Moonnight and 10 episodes or nine

[35:37] episodes of She-Hulk, it's a lot to ask

[35:39] of people and we want an Avengers movie.

[35:41] We want to know what it's building

[35:42] toward. But the simple fact is the

[35:45] reason they didn't have Avengers movies

[35:47] is because it's impossible when you

[35:49] scaled up production that much. When you

[35:51] involve that many characters and that

[35:53] many showrunners and that many people um

[35:55] which was a dictate from Disney trying

[35:58] to like make up for the pandemic and the

[35:59] losses they were suffering by building

[36:01] up Disney Plus. When you have that

[36:03] happen, it just becomes logistically

[36:05] impossible. And one thing that we've

[36:06] heard is that out from Alex Perez is

[36:08] that next phase Avengers movies won't

[36:11] just be giant teamups. They will be hey

[36:13] here's a team of Avengers. they're gonna

[36:15] fight Parismo or whoever

[36:17] >> and and Doomsday and Secret Wars and

[36:19] like this saga thematically this capper

[36:22] the way that they are actually going to

[36:23] make it feel bigger than Infinity War

[36:25] and Endgame is not only are we like

[36:28] having a culmination event of that saga.

[36:30] It's a culmination event of not only

[36:32] this saga but the Infinity saga, the Fox

[36:36] X-Men that came to it's it's this

[36:37] nostalgia thing of all of it coming

[36:39] together. Imagine had they actually

[36:42] taken the time to establish and do an

[36:44] Avengers movie with these new Avengers

[36:46] and these new characters and that would

[36:48] be yet another piece of this culmination

[36:49] event. We've got the new Avengers from

[36:51] the current thing coming in. We've got

[36:53] oh the Avengers that we love from the

[36:55] Infinity Saga. The Avengers from the

[36:57] Infinity Saga would feel just as like as

[37:00] much as like a piece of nostalgia as the

[37:02] X-Men are and as Toby and Andrew

[37:04] Spider-Man are like, "Oh, they're coming

[37:06] back."

[37:07] >> It doesn't really feel like, "Oh,

[37:08] they're coming back." back. It really

[37:10] just feels like they never left. So it

[37:13] >> I I think this is a great point because

[37:15] you also need those tent poles. You need

[37:19] those marking points at the end of

[37:21] phases that we got uh leading through

[37:23] the Infinity Saga because you knew like

[37:26] I mean I'd be hardressed to tell you

[37:28] what the story of phase one or phase 2

[37:30] or phase three was, but I can tell you

[37:32] offhand like okay here's a movie's phase

[37:35] one leading up to Avengers. Here's phase

[37:37] 2 leading up to Avengers: Age of Ultron.

[37:39] Here's phase three leading up to

[37:41] Infinity War and then uh Endgame. And I

[37:45] think there was beyond what you're

[37:47] saying, Ryan, probably also this feeling

[37:48] of Endgame is the biggest movie of all

[37:50] time. How do we top that? We can't top

[37:52] that by going back to Avengers or Age of

[37:55] Ultron. We need to do Endgame times 2,

[37:58] which is certainly what they hope

[37:59] Doomsday is. And I think that's wrong

[38:02] because like Colton's saying, if instead

[38:04] at the end of phase four, we had gotten

[38:06] Thunderbolts colon the new Avengers,

[38:09] then you'd been like, "Oh, cool. Oh,

[38:11] this is a fun new team. Let's follow

[38:12] them." And then, exactly like you're

[38:14] saying, at the end of phase five, you

[38:16] get Sam's team or whatever. And then we

[38:19] get that big in game times 2 that

[38:21] Doomsday is, it feels more earned at

[38:24] that point.

[38:24] >> Earned. Exactly.

[38:25] >> I was so jazzed to see the Guardians

[38:27] meet the Avengers. Like, that was

[38:29] something I looked forward to. so much

[38:30] and it didn't disappoint when it finally

[38:32] happened. Um, yeah. All right, next.

[38:35] Sorry, we got MKNM6818

[38:37] says, "Such a pleasure seeing you all.

[38:39] Colton, I love you. Alex, such a legend.

[38:40] Whitney, never enough of you. Ryan, you

[38:42] demand." Thank you so much.

[38:44] >> And we really appreciate that.

[38:47] [laughter]

[38:47] >> I demand sandwiches.

[38:49] >> I demand

[38:51] at 11:30. He-Man, Rick Taylor. Uh,

[38:54] >> Rick Taylor. And I love this one. This

[38:57] is from what we were talking about

[38:57] yesterday with Ryan on this Captain

[38:59] America versus Nazis. It really bothers

[39:01] me that Captain America went through

[39:03] World War II and we never saw him shoot,

[39:04] kill, or maim a single Nazi.

[39:06] >> Well, kind of insane.

[39:08] >> Hydra is worse than Nazis. I don't know

[39:09] if you're aware.

[39:10] >> Oh, is are they? Yeah. Terrible line

[39:13] from Avengers or I hate it when he's

[39:15] talking to Loki and he goes, you know,

[39:18] the last time there was a man standing

[39:20] above everyone else.

[39:23] >> We ended up disagreeing.

[39:25] >> Yeah.

[39:26] So there's a really

[39:28] >> I'm sorry you disagreed with Hitler, I

[39:30] guess. Like Jesus [laughter] Christ.

[39:32] >> Agree to disagree, man.

[39:34] >> Hitler, I guess. Jesus. No.

[39:37] >> There's an adorable video. I wish I

[39:38] remember the creator who made it, who

[39:39] filmed his grandmother watching the

[39:41] Marvel movies. Um, you know, slowly

[39:44] because she wasn't going to marathon

[39:45] them. And when they were watching the

[39:46] Avengers, he said, "Grandma, you know

[39:48] who he's talking about." And she turned

[39:49] AND WENT, "HITLER."

[39:52] >> [laughter]

[39:54] >> IT WAS ADORABLE. She like knew the

[39:56] answer. She was so proud of it. She

[39:58] worked it out on her own.

[40:00] >> Oh, sorry. I just want to get through a

[40:01] couple more super chats here because

[40:02] they keep rolling in. Uh Brian Brick

[40:04] gave us 10 bucks and said, "Using DNA

[40:06] mutation as a result of being snapped

[40:08] back would have worked great for

[40:10] introducing mutants." I agree. So, after

[40:12] the like maybe Thanos snapping everybody

[40:14] away triggers the mutant gene.

[40:15] >> Also, um they are already dealing with

[40:18] marginalization due to their five-year

[40:20] displacement. So yeah, maybe when we

[40:22] come back in Endgame, um, mutants have

[40:25] been popping up and they're already

[40:26] like, all this weird things happening.

[40:28] That's something we missed. And then we

[40:30] could have, and this is should be a

[40:31] mistake I think we could list. We should

[40:33] have seen more stuff during the blip.

[40:34] That is a really interesting story

[40:36] opportunity.

[40:37] >> It is.

[40:39] >> Yeah, that and the I mean, I know

[40:40] everybody's talked about this a million

[40:41] times, but the whole Captain America

[40:43] bringing back the Infinity Stones thing,

[40:45] that would have been great to see as

[40:47] well, like have that as a concert. We

[40:50] might still.

[40:50] >> Yeah.

[40:51] >> It's almost like

[40:51] >> that is the kind of thing that belongs

[40:53] as a Disney Plus series.

[40:54] >> Yeah. It's almost like they could have

[40:56] done a sixpart series where he returns

[40:59] each stone. It's like it was just

[41:00] perfectly set up for them right there.

[41:03] >> The soul stone would make a great final

[41:05] one because he would finally I don't

[41:06] know what the character growth would be

[41:07] in that. I guess it would be him like

[41:09] figuring out he wants to be with Peggy

[41:11] even though he worked that out before

[41:12] because he told Bucky he was going to do

[41:14] it and stuff, but maybe him grappling

[41:15] with that decision. like he's decided

[41:17] he's going to end this talking to Peggy,

[41:19] but as he returns each stone, he sees

[41:20] all these problems and he has to finally

[41:22] phase by phase realize, okay, I can't

[41:25] solve this. Like I have to actually be

[41:27] okay with Bucky being mind tortured for

[41:29] decades.

[41:30] >> I love all those memes where it's a

[41:32] picture of Haley Atwell and it says,

[41:33] "Yeah, I would have broke the timeline

[41:35] for her, too." [laughter] I would

[41:39] [snorts]

[41:39] >> I think that they should do it they

[41:41] should do it like the pit. They should

[41:42] make each Infinity Stone uh one hour of

[41:46] the day of Steve Rogers day and it's

[41:48] about how in one day he has to return

[41:50] all six Infinity Stones. I'd watch the

[41:53] [ __ ] out of that. But just think too

[41:56] he's going to be reading he's reading

[41:57] the morning paper and he's like drinking

[41:59] his coffee and he's thinking when Peggy

[42:03] works for the should I tell her about

[42:04] 911? Yeah. Should I, you know, like all

[42:07] these things he could help and prevent

[42:09] over the decades, like all the people he

[42:11] could help and save.

[42:13] >> I want to see him pull a Brian from

[42:14] Family Guy and like he gets in an

[42:16] argument with someone and the guys like

[42:18] challenges him to a fight anytime,

[42:20] anywhere. And Steve's like, "All right,

[42:21] Top of the World Trade Center."

[42:23] [laughter]

[42:26] >> Phil Rumba from Down Under Gave us

[42:28] another eight Australian dollars and

[42:29] said they put out too much content and

[42:31] now it means nothing. endgame to

[42:32] doomsday uh means that too much content

[42:36] now means nothing. What a waste of time.

[42:38] And I think it goes back to what we were

[42:39] saying a second ago. It does start to

[42:41] kind of numb you when you feel like

[42:43] things don't necessarily lead to other

[42:45] stuff. And again, I don't know. I don't

[42:47] want to repeat myself, but I really feel

[42:50] like the lack of Avengers movies at the

[42:51] end of every phase killed the multiverse

[42:53] saga more than anything else. But that's

[42:55] a more systemic problem that comes from

[42:56] Disney corporate um relying on their

[43:00] cash cow too much because I don't know

[43:02] their live action remakes didn't make as

[43:04] much money as they thought.

[43:06] >> I I'm fine with them not necessarily

[43:08] having to lead to other stuff even but

[43:10] quit pretending like it is that like

[43:13] like the point Alex was making earlier

[43:15] with the the postredit scenes. They

[43:16] pretend like it's leading to something

[43:18] but it doesn't. If you want to just do

[43:20] like some solo movies that aren't

[43:21] necessarily, you know, building to to

[43:23] quote Skeletor, the Christian, no, you

[43:26] just do the movie. Don't pretend like

[43:28] it's going somewhere if it's not.

[43:30] >> I got a good one before I get back to

[43:32] the super chats. I think Eternal should

[43:33] have been a TV series.

[43:35] >> Mhm. That'd be an expensive ass TV

[43:37] series.

[43:38] >> It really would. But at that point,

[43:41] >> Yeah. But hell, at that point, you're

[43:42] talking about dumping like

[43:44] >> $500 million on a season of Andor. like

[43:47] Disney was investing in it like it was a

[43:49] tech startup. That would have been to do

[43:51] it.

[43:51] >> I mean, it was

[43:52] >> I would have been glued to the TV every

[43:55] night, every night for 10 weeks,

[43:57] watching Kingo and his beautifully

[43:59] sculpted arms and abs. Justice for

[44:01] Kumale's abs. As I always say, we never

[44:04] got to blend.

[44:06] >> I [screaming] know. And it's so

[44:07] >> I hated killing Gilgamesh. I thought he

[44:09] was great. That that was one character I

[44:10] was like, "Oh, it hurts." And I know

[44:12] he's a robot, so he can come back, but

[44:14] he was my favorite Eternal. I really

[44:16] hated to see him go.

[44:18] >> That's a really good idea, Ryan, because

[44:20] it is episodic that movie like which

[44:23] doesn't necessarily work for a movie,

[44:25] but you're jumping through different

[44:26] timelines. So, even if you do the dual

[44:29] timeline thing that every Prestige show

[44:32] does, that would work really well. Have

[44:34] the Eternals of the Present follow Kit

[44:36] Harrington and his adventures and then

[44:38] flash back every episode to show us a

[44:41] different point in the Eternals history.

[44:43] Well, and not to mention that the best

[44:45] Eternals comic book is the Neil Gaiman

[44:47] one where that's the structure. They

[44:49] have all forgotten being Eternals and

[44:50] Icarus goes around reminds them of who

[44:52] they were. So, we discover along with

[44:54] them who they were.

[44:55] >> It's also Oh, sorry. Was saying

[44:58] something or

[44:59] >> Oh, maybe not. Go ahead. Sorry. I

[45:00] thought you

[45:01] >> It's Thank you. Uh, it's also not uh

[45:05] insulting to make Eternals a show. I

[45:07] know I, you know, [ __ ] about this all

[45:09] the time, but there are certain things I

[45:11] just don't think you downgrade to a TV

[45:13] show, it belongs on a big screen.

[45:14] Eternals, that's perfect for a TV show

[45:17] because it's like a thing that really a

[45:19] casual fan hasn't heard of that. I think

[45:21] a TV I think Disney Plus Marvel shows is

[45:24] a great place to introduce lower level

[45:27] things like more obscure things. So

[45:29] yeah, I I agree that would have been

[45:30] maybe you can't have Angelina Jolie in

[45:32] it but

[45:34] >> why not? George Clooney was on TV. He

[45:36] was in ER. You can put Angelina on TV.

[45:39] Give it to me, baby.

[45:40] >> Give an actor enough money, they'll do

[45:42] either. They

[45:43] >> Maybe they could. Yeah,

[45:44] >> they could have got John Voy to do it.

[45:47] [laughter]

[45:47] >> John Voy was on TV. He was on Ray Ray,

[45:50] whatever that show was called. Uh Cody

[45:52] Hall gave us five bucks and said, "Which

[45:54] villain would we like to see in the

[45:55] first MCU X-Men outing?" I love this

[45:57] question. Feel free to save your answer

[45:59] for more dedicated stream. No, because I

[46:00] think it goes back to what I was saying

[46:02] about the X-Men should have already been

[46:04] introduced into the MCU and Magneto.

[46:08] >> Yeah, Magneto's never been in an X-Men

[46:10] movie. How have we never had

[46:12] >> Have we never seen that before?

[46:14] >> It's crazy. He's a good character. Do

[46:16] you guys know about Magneto? Have you

[46:17] heard about him?

[46:19] >> No.

[46:19] >> Eric Magneto.

[46:20] >> You like have any kind of [laughter]

[46:21] close personal friend? Eric Magneto.

[46:23] >> I love Eric Magneto.

[46:25] >> Eric Magneto. That's what I call him in

[46:27] my personal life.

[46:28] >> And his arch and his arch nemesis,

[46:30] X-Man. I love X-Men. [laughter]

[46:35] >> I know that the comic nerd in me though

[46:36] is like, "Oh, X-Man." Young Nathan from

[46:38] the alternate future [laughter] age of

[46:40] apocalypse.

[46:41] >> That's what I'm talking about. What did

[46:42] you think I meant?

[46:43] >> I mean, low hanging fruits, Mr.

[46:45] Sinister. I've said Mojo would be really

[46:47] fun um in one of these movies. I think

[46:50] we actually did a whole talkback on this

[46:52] ones. Arcade would be terrible. Please

[46:54] don't do Arcade. I I can't imagine that

[46:56] working.

[46:57] >> I know, but

[46:59] >> I mean, depending on what they do with

[47:00] Spider-Man brand new day, I almost feel

[47:02] like they'll probably go the damage

[47:05] control route where it's not necessarily

[47:08] an apocalypse level villain or even a

[47:10] Magneto level villain so much as the

[47:13] government chasing after this young

[47:15] team. That's what I see happening.

[47:18] >> What do you guys think about the

[47:20] possibility of Mr. Charles being William

[47:23] Striker

[47:25] >> or Henry Peter

[47:26] >> Guy.

[47:29] >> I'm down with that.

[47:30] >> I like the idea of the X-Men versus the

[47:32] government. I think that is the most

[47:34] interesting. Uh

[47:36] >> I like him better as Guyrick because

[47:37] Guyrick has a little bit more reach in

[47:39] the comics. Striker was a in the comics

[47:40] was a preacher who they turned into, you

[47:42] know, and I kind of like Striker as the

[47:44] government opponent being from the X-Men

[47:46] universe and being Brian Cox.

[47:48] >> I like that being siloed there. What if

[47:51] severance guy is not playing uh Mezer

[47:54] and is playing Striker instead? Sorry,

[47:56] I'm just theorizing now, but that'd be

[47:57] cool. He'd be a cool Yeah, sorry. He'd

[48:00] be a Every time I I I either call him

[48:03] Severance guy or Devour fetchulence guy.

[48:05] [laughter]

[48:07] >> I I mean, talking about villains that

[48:08] we've kind of seen a bunch already in

[48:10] Xbad movies, it would be kind of neat if

[48:11] it's Striker and there is a weapon X

[48:14] program in the movie. You don't

[48:17] [clears throat] see Wolverine, but that

[48:18] is your setup for Wolverine somewhere

[48:21] down the road. Perhaps there's a record

[48:24] that they see somewhere in the offices

[48:26] or something like that. I don't know.

[48:27] >> Well, there have been so many other

[48:28] weapons X, too. Like there that's a lot

[48:31] of them over the years. Sorry, Colton, I

[48:33] stepped on you.

[48:33] >> Oh, and Bullseye is on the team. I I

[48:35] think Bullseye has to be on team X or

[48:38] whatever it's called. Yeah,

[48:39] >> I think he's [snorts] a mutant, too.

[48:40] Like I I think they're going to

[48:41] retroactively go back and say he's a

[48:43] mutant. Wonderman's a mutant. And that's

[48:45] I think they're going to make a lot of

[48:46] people mutants. And I think it's not

[48:48] even going to necessarily be because the

[48:50] universe reset because we're already

[48:52] seeing in 616 like uh Miss Marvel's a

[48:55] mutant. I think Bullseye is a mutant. I

[48:57] think that there are mutants and as um

[49:00] was it Agents of Shield that showed us

[49:02] that there's a lot of just like random

[49:05] super people, right? I I've only seen

[49:07] like season one of Agents of Shield, but

[49:09] didn't they like run into just like kind

[49:10] of random

[49:12] people? Yeah, that's interesting.

[49:14] Mutants and enhanced. Enhancer is like

[49:16] an outside event that causes the powers

[49:17] to happen,

[49:18] >> right? I I think that we could learn

[49:20] that mutation

[49:22] maybe is getting more and more rampant

[49:24] and like more are being born and stuff,

[49:26] but that it's always been a thing. They

[49:28] just haven't discovered the gene until

[49:30] the the gene, not the gene gray.

[49:33] >> But that that's kind of disappointing,

[49:34] too, that the you know, the Eternals is

[49:36] based on this comic story line called

[49:37] Earth X. It's alternate universe stuff,

[49:39] but basically the the point of it is

[49:41] that the reason the celestials gave

[49:43] everybody this the celestial gene which

[49:45] allows them to get superpowers was so

[49:47] they could act as antibodies to protect

[49:50] the the baby in the earth. And I always

[49:52] thought that made a lot more sense than

[49:54] oh yeah, we just need enough people to

[49:56] get smart and then when [laughter]

[49:58] there's enough people the brain waves

[49:59] feed. I always thought that was just too

[50:00] complicated. Like I would have kept it

[50:02] that and that also would explain more

[50:04] mutants because the baby's about to

[50:05] hatch and there's more threats from

[50:06] aliens. So the natural antibodies of the

[50:09] planet are producing more powered people

[50:11] as like Thanos invades etc etc.

[50:14] >> Uh the stars 2049 gave us a couple super

[50:17] chats. Says killing Wu and Shani was a

[50:19] huge mistake. Tony Lungs's favorite

[50:20] actor. Uh getting him in a Marvel movie

[50:23] was like getting Tom. It's like if Tom

[50:25] Hanks was Reed Richards. I I agree it

[50:27] was a big mistake. And I also think

[50:29] having a giant dragon at the end of

[50:30] Shani was stupid. I wish [snorts] it

[50:32] just been like to him and his dad.

[50:34] >> Yeah.

[50:34] >> Yeah. the other characters you guys are

[50:36] like really should not have killed that

[50:38] one. There was more for that character

[50:39] to do.

[50:42] >> I I'm kind of that way about almost any

[50:44] character because once you kill the

[50:46] character, you've cut off the story

[50:47] line. I mean, like we were talking about

[50:49] earlier, you could bring back anybody in

[50:51] the Marvel universe, but it's it's a

[50:55] bummer, you know, somebody I mean, I

[50:56] think about things like uh Mickey Ror in

[50:59] Iron Man 2 being so weird with his bird.

[51:02] Maybe that movie wasn't great across the

[51:04] board, but it would have been fun and

[51:05] weird to see him show up. I I'm still

[51:08] bummed

[51:08] >> that we've never gotten like a really

[51:10] good villain team at any point in the

[51:12] MCU. And you know, we had the Black

[51:14] Order. I don't think that necessarily

[51:16] count, but like I would have loved to

[51:18] see them leave everybody alive, put

[51:19] everybody in prison, have them all break

[51:21] out together and come back and attack

[51:23] the Avengers. That's a classic comic

[51:25] book trope, but it works for a reason

[51:27] because it's fun. You're like, "Oh man,

[51:29] that guy's with that guy. That's so

[51:31] cool. And we've never

[51:32] >> You get to see them play off each other.

[51:34] I thought Infinity War would be Thanos

[51:36] doing that. I thought, you know, because

[51:37] in in the comics, Thanos has like all

[51:39] this power because he gets the gems

[51:40] early. And I thought, "Yeah, man. I want

[51:42] to see like Iron Monger come back and

[51:44] team up with all these other villains

[51:46] and different Red Skull."

[51:47] >> Wasn't that kind of the plan a little

[51:50] bit? Wasn't there a little bit of an

[51:52] initial idea of like Red Skull would was

[51:54] gonna like be the villain of Avengers

[51:56] and like some other villains from phase

[51:58] one were gonna be brought in? Yeah, they

[52:01] were going to do Red Skull uh before I

[52:02] think when Weeden came on the I think

[52:05] Zack Zack Penscript also had Loki, but

[52:07] then they pivoted to Loki pretty quick

[52:08] though. But they were talking about

[52:10] having it be the Red Skull.

[52:11] >> I was

[52:11] >> I don't know if he was going to pull

[52:12] other villains in.

[52:13] >> I wasn't big on killing Natasha. I mean

[52:15] that she's like my favorite

[52:17] >> huge mistake.

[52:18] >> Yeah, and just the way that they did the

[52:22] Black Widow movie after was just such a

[52:25] [ __ ] up on on Marvel's part. They rolled

[52:27] that out so poorly. I am totally team

[52:31] Scarjo. Even though she's like the

[52:34] richest, highest paid actor in the world

[52:36] or whatever. Uh I'm still on her team

[52:39] because I think that the way that they

[52:40] rolled out that movie [ __ ] sucked. It

[52:42] was shitty to do to her. It was shitty

[52:44] to do to all of us fans.

[52:45] >> Well, that was the first one she was a

[52:47] producer on. So, she was actually going

[52:48] to make real like real money on it. Like

[52:51] he was going to make [ __ ] you money.

[52:53] >> Like like Colin Jo could quit SNL kind

[52:55] of money, you know, be a house husband

[52:57] if he want.

[52:58] >> Wow. That would have been two wins.

[53:02] [laughter]

[53:03] >> A I like calling jokes.

[53:05] >> I do too. I call them I call them Colin

[53:07] jokes. As you can see, I just change

[53:10] everyone's name.

[53:11] >> I love when they have to read the jokes

[53:13] that they write for each other.

[53:15] >> Me, too. That's always the best.

[53:17] >> This last one, I thought I don't know. I

[53:20] wasn't as into the the last joke swap

[53:22] they did. I I don't know. I think it

[53:23] that that it's kind of wearing off. But

[53:25] >> here here's a mistake. When did Black

[53:27] Widow come out? I I know it got screwed

[53:29] over with

[53:29] >> 2021.

[53:30] >> 2021.

[53:32] >> Yeah.

[53:32] >> Okay. Maybe this wouldn't have worked,

[53:33] but that that Black Widow movie the

[53:37] exact make it the exact same way you

[53:38] made it, I think, would have been a

[53:40] million times better and would have

[53:41] performed a million times better. Not

[53:42] even just because of the day and date

[53:44] release and co and all that. Take that

[53:45] out of it. If you had released it in

[53:47] between Infinity War and Endgame.

[53:49] >> Oh yes%

[53:51] between Civil War and Infinity War.

[53:54] >> Well, yeah. Yeah. if you want to go that

[53:55] far back, but even between I think

[53:57] Infinity War and Endgame, it would have

[53:58] worked because they kind of did prequels

[54:00] with um Captain Marvel, I I think you

[54:04] >> I almost wonder if maybe the Black Widow

[54:06] movie would have been better to slot in

[54:07] there than Captain Marvel. I don't know.

[54:09] And I really like Captain Marvel, but

[54:11] >> yeah. [snorts]

[54:11] >> Yeah, I think that helped it.

[54:14] >> I think as far as that goes, we did a

[54:16] video on this. I I just look at Matasha

[54:19] and I go I think having that character

[54:21] in the multiverse saga as the lone

[54:23] Avenger standing would have made a lot

[54:24] of sense. I think she would have been

[54:26] the one to get the team together and you

[54:28] know they were leaning toward that way

[54:29] and we never got to see her in that

[54:31] role. And it's funny the Black Widow has

[54:33] never been in the comics like somebody I

[54:35] would call a marquee Marvel hero, but

[54:37] then

[54:39] >> Anthony Ber into that. Yes, I would have

[54:41] liked to have seen that continue,

[54:42] >> dude. And the thing that sucks the most

[54:44] is that the Jeremy Rener app is gone

[54:46] now. So, Hawkeye has nowhere to talk

[54:48] about how sad it is that he lost

[54:50] Natasha.

[54:52] >> [ __ ]

[54:52] >> I know.

[54:53] >> I think about that every day.

[54:55] >> Journey Runner app.

[54:56] >> I still have my notifications on for it.

[54:58] I couldn't bring myself to delete it

[54:59] from my phone. Arman said, "I don't

[55:01] think we as a society are ready for

[55:02] doomsday for two pounds." Thank you.

[55:04] Brian Brick Brink gave us five bucks and

[55:07] said the series name for bringing back

[55:09] the Stones Avengers post game.

[55:14] M

[55:15] >> well done. Senpai AF gave us five bucks

[55:18] and said, "Would you like it or hate it

[55:20] if they said a lot of the past heroes if

[55:22] they said a lot of the past heroes were

[55:23] mutants or if society generalized all

[55:25] heroes as mutants to segregate them?" I

[55:27] would hate that. I would hate

[55:29] >> I would love it.

[55:30] >> I don't think uh it just because, you

[55:32] know, it's it's two different things.

[55:33] Mutants in the comics. It's also a thing

[55:35] like, well, why do people think

[55:36] Spider-Man's not a mutant and everybody

[55:38] else is? Well, because he's not. I don't

[55:40] know. Like it just kind of like there's

[55:41] the X-Men and those characters and then

[55:43] there's the other people. And what makes

[55:45] the X-Men the X-Men is that they are not

[55:47] regarded as heroes like the other

[55:49] people. They are different. They are

[55:51] weird. They're freaks. They have strange

[55:53] powers and they're hairy and there's

[55:55] stuff coming out of their heads and you

[55:58] can't trust them. Whereas you can trust

[55:59] Captain America. So no, I wouldn't like

[56:00] that one though.

[56:02] >> I think a lot of them are going to get

[56:03] called mutants. I think the word mutant

[56:06] is going to be a word that like the DODC

[56:09] and all of the anti- super power people

[56:13] are are going to use. Like I think

[56:14] that's going to be a word we hear Jonah

[56:16] Jameson spewing on live TV like these

[56:19] damn

[56:19] >> we're about to hear the real government

[56:21] calling all of us mutants pretty soon.

[56:24] Like come on,

[56:24] >> right?

[56:26] >> I I just don't want that to be the

[56:27] actual definition of it. Like I think

[56:29] mutants are a very specific thing where

[56:30] you're born with this Xgene and etc etc

[56:33] etc. if they want [clears throat] to use

[56:34] it as like a scare tactic for the

[56:36] public, like you know, mutant loving

[56:39] collaborators, we have to arrest them

[56:40] all or whatever they're going to say.

[56:42] >> Well, not to get too in the weeds, but I

[56:43] I really like the idea of if Spider-Man

[56:48] didn't have a dormant mutant because,

[56:50] okay, with Kamala, what happened was she

[56:53] had the mutant X gene in in this in the

[56:55] end, and the Bengals have activated it.

[56:59] >> Wade Wilson had the mutant X gene. It

[57:01] was activated through severe trauma. I I

[57:04] think Bullseye went through severe

[57:05] trauma. He could have it. I could think

[57:07] an individual who got bit by a

[57:08] radioactive spider and didn't have a

[57:10] mutant exgene

[57:12] begin to tell you the level of [ __ ] no u

[57:15] that I associate with that. You've

[57:17] you've brought that take up to me

[57:18] before. No, Spider-Man's not a mutant.

[57:21] It's fundamentally two completely

[57:22] different things. It just is.

[57:25] >> You don't think they're going to have

[57:26] some sort of disagree.

[57:27] >> You don't think they're going to have

[57:28] >> They might. They might. And if they do

[57:30] that in the movie, Colton, I'll hate the

[57:31] movie. I just think it's a terrible,

[57:33] terrible, terrible idea. I think it's

[57:35] just Spider-Man's not a mutant. I don't

[57:37] know. It's weird the things that I'll

[57:38] put my foot down on. Like I'll watch all

[57:40] the unjustice happen in the world and be

[57:41] like, that seems unfortunate. But

[57:43] somebody brings up the idea of gay Jedi

[57:45] or Peter Parker being a mutant and I'm

[57:48] like, I will fight you for this

[57:50] [laughter] pie.

[57:51] >> Go ahead.

[57:52] >> I hope not.

[57:53] >> No, no, no. I I was just going to say I

[57:55] feel like they're gonna have a clean

[57:57] break, right? like after Secret Wars

[57:59] they're going to have some sort of thing

[58:00] like oh this universe is radiated

[58:03] differently so now the X gene exists and

[58:06] then we have mutants going forward maybe

[58:09] they'll retroactively turn some folks

[58:10] but I think mostly like they've been

[58:12] clearly clear X-M happens after Secret

[58:15] Wars that's when the mutant saga starts

[58:17] so that's when I think we're going to

[58:19] get like our inciting incident for

[58:21] whatever that status quo is

[58:23] >> I don't know man I agree with Colton

[58:24] though I think the mutant saga is going

[58:25] to start this July in brand new day. I

[58:28] think that they're going to start

[58:29] seeding all this stuff then. I just

[58:31] don't know why I I don't see how they

[58:33] can do that and also introduce like, oh,

[58:35] you know, you're Professor Xavier. I met

[58:37] a Professor Xavier once in the

[58:39] multiverse. That's interesting. I don't

[58:40] know. They got to wipe everybody's

[58:41] minds. Uh self-presence gave us five

[58:43] bucks and said they could have enemies

[58:45] on multiple fronts. The MLF, the

[58:46] government Xfactor or Freedom Force. And

[58:49] then uh then the people led by Striker

[58:51] Creed, Friends of Yeah, I love that.

[58:53] Like for the X-Men villains. I also

[58:55] think that in the Avengers movies,

[58:59] >> um, the villains have to be mutants. I

[59:01] think for the mutant saga, you have to

[59:03] have the Avengers going up against

[59:05] villainous mutants. Like,

[59:06] >> that's a great idea. I love that.

[59:09] >> Good one. I like that a lot.

[59:10] >> That feeds into this anti-mutant

[59:12] hysteria thing you're talking about

[59:13] where the government and everybody else

[59:15] are saying, "Look, these dangerous

[59:16] mutants." And it also builds up toward

[59:18] eventually Avengers versus X-Men. Oh,

[59:20] that's hot. That's good. [snorts]

[59:22] And finally, last super chat. You're

[59:25] welcome. Um, see, we're friends. We We

[59:28] can disagree. We've disag

[59:31] gave us five. Did I come off really

[59:33] strong there? Sorry, Colton if I was too

[59:34] argumentative. I really didn't like it.

[59:39] >> There's a weird energy in the podcast

[59:41] now. And I

[59:42] >> I found it to be too much. But

[59:45] >> I was a bit much, but you're always

[59:46] home. You're not even out in the

[59:47] universe at all. I can interact with

[59:49] you.

[59:49] >> I don't know.

[59:50] >> Alexander Wilson gave us five bucks and

[59:52] said, "Love and Thunder was the worst

[59:53] MCU movie and is unwatchable to me. That

[59:55] movie was truly awful. Hemsworth even

[59:57] talked bad about it. Yeah, it's on my

[1:00:00] list.

[1:00:00] >> I don't like it. I don't know if it's

[1:00:02] the worst.

[1:00:03] >> I don't know, man. Watch the goat

[1:00:04] compilation sometime on YouTube and try

[1:00:06] not to laugh. That is the funniest,

[1:00:08] stupidest joke. Those goats screaming

[1:00:10] constantly made me laugh every time. But

[1:00:13] >> I just think it's a waste of Gore the

[1:00:14] God Butcher.

[1:00:15] >> Sure.

[1:00:15] >> Yeah. I think it was a huge waste of

[1:00:17] Gore the God Butcher for sure.

[1:00:20] >> What did you like about uh Love and

[1:00:22] Thunder?

[1:00:24] >> Nothing. I didn't like that movie very

[1:00:26] much. I I like scene where Thor and the

[1:00:29] Guardians were fighting Fraggle Rock.

[1:00:31] That was it. [laughter]

[1:00:33] >> That was it. I was like, "I love Fraggle

[1:00:36] Rock. This is nice. What a nice cameo."

[1:00:37] And then that was my favorite part.

[1:00:39] >> My favorite part is when Thor is in the

[1:00:41] very obvious CG helmet and he goes,

[1:00:43] "Jane [laughter]

[1:00:46] >> yeah." Or the floating head of the kid.

[1:00:49] >> The floating head of the child. the most

[1:00:52] disturbing and unsettling use of CGI in

[1:00:56] a while that I've seen.

[1:00:57] >> What about when he fed his hammer a

[1:00:58] beer? [laughter]

[1:01:01] >> Oh, and you had Christian Bale as Gore

[1:01:04] the God Butcher, too. And it was all

[1:01:06] these great story lines, Jane Foster,

[1:01:08] Thor, and it just I don't know in terms

[1:01:10] of like disappointment, that is probably

[1:01:11] my biggest disappointment

[1:01:13] >> as Gore the god, but he did like an

[1:01:15] actual great job. And like the opening

[1:01:17] scene like where he's begging that god

[1:01:19] to help him and all that,

[1:01:20] >> you know, he could have been the next

[1:01:22] like Loki, like what Loki was for phase

[1:01:25] one, like he's in a Thor movie and then

[1:01:28] he's in the Avengers movie. You could

[1:01:30] have totally had Gore the Godbusher been

[1:01:32] the villain of whatever the that next

[1:01:34] Avengers movie would have been and he

[1:01:36] had Christian Bale. Why wouldn't you do

[1:01:37] it?

[1:01:38] >> Yeah, dude. You have Christian Bale.

[1:01:40] >> I would just recommend to anybody

[1:01:41] listening or watching, if you haven't

[1:01:43] read the Jason Aaron run on Thor, it's

[1:01:45] about 100 issues. It's just incredible.

[1:01:47] And if you read that, then you'll you'll

[1:01:49] dislike Love and Thunder even more. I

[1:01:51] feel like Taikoini just got too put too

[1:01:53] much of himself in it. There's too much

[1:01:54] Corg. Corg is great in Ragnarok and he

[1:01:58] just overwhelms the movie by joking

[1:02:01] about everything. Everything's a joke.

[1:02:03] There's no stakes and there are real

[1:02:06] stakes in that movie. They're going to

[1:02:07] kill all the gods. Jane has cancer. It's

[1:02:08] some real stuff that could have been

[1:02:10] more heady to balance off that humor.

[1:02:12] >> I I am struggling to think of a worse

[1:02:14] one.

[1:02:15] >> You know, I said I don't know if it's

[1:02:16] the worst one. I'm struggling to think

[1:02:18] of

[1:02:19] >> pretty bad.

[1:02:21] >> I really don't like it. I there's a lot

[1:02:22] of MCU movies other people like and I

[1:02:24] don't I don't like Captain Marvel very

[1:02:25] much. I don't like Deadpool and

[1:02:26] Wolverine, but I'd rather watch Deadpool

[1:02:28] and Wolverine than Love and Thunder.

[1:02:29] >> I would watch Deadpool and Wolverine

[1:02:31] over Love and Thunder any day of the

[1:02:32] week. And I was not a big Deadpool and

[1:02:34] Wolverine fan because that's the other

[1:02:36] thing that I didn't like that I wish

[1:02:37] that they didn't do is that I hate it so

[1:02:40] much when they come back in like a

[1:02:44] sequel of any kind, even if it's like

[1:02:46] the third one or whatever, and all of

[1:02:48] the resolution from the previous movie

[1:02:50] has just been erased off screen. I hate

[1:02:53] that more than anything. So, the fact

[1:02:55] that he and Vanessa were broken up after

[1:02:58] he went through all that, after all that

[1:03:01] they've been through, after he brought

[1:03:02] her back to life and they were planning

[1:03:04] on having a baby together, they just

[1:03:06] break up offcreen. I [ __ ] hate that

[1:03:08] so much. That's like my biggest pet

[1:03:10] peeve when movies do that. You want to

[1:03:12] know the most egregious version of that?

[1:03:13] Paul Blart Mop 2. Paul Blart Mop 2

[1:03:16] undoes all of the all of the learning

[1:03:19] and the growth that Paul Blart

[1:03:21] experienced in Paul Blart Mop 1. And

[1:03:23] like I [ __ ] hate it. So in Yeah, in

[1:03:25] my opinion, Wolverine and Paul Blart

[1:03:28] Mall 2 are on the same level of movie

[1:03:30] for me.

[1:03:31] >> I thought you were gonna say Alien. I

[1:03:33] thought you were gonna say Alien 3, but

[1:03:34] that's just me. Like when they killed at

[1:03:36] the beginning,

[1:03:37] >> they took Who played the It wasn't Anna

[1:03:40] Ferris, was it? For some reason, I

[1:03:41] thought it was. Who was

[1:03:42] >> No, you're thinking you're thinking of

[1:03:43] Observe and Report, which is a similar

[1:03:45] movie,

[1:03:46] >> right? No, no, no. But but I I do know

[1:03:49] which part.

[1:03:51] It's with Kevin.

[1:03:51] >> It's all part of the shared Mop

[1:03:53] universe. That's

[1:03:53] >> who's the actress that plays his love

[1:03:55] interest because they take her from

[1:03:58] being this really awesome sweet person

[1:04:01] and they just like completely turn her

[1:04:03] into this horrible character in the

[1:04:05] second one. The first Mop is so good.

[1:04:08] That second one is awful and just in the

[1:04:10] face of that first movie. Did they kill

[1:04:12] her the face of Paul Blart?

[1:04:13] >> They didn't kill her off. They had her

[1:04:15] divorce him. Like she like leaves him

[1:04:17] for someone.

[1:04:17] >> Yes. She leaves him at the beginning of

[1:04:20] two and she [ __ ] divorces him. And

[1:04:22] I'm like that undoes all of the progress

[1:04:24] of Paul Blart Mall cop one. This is

[1:04:26] [ __ ] up. This is [ __ ] up.

[1:04:28] >> Why did he defend the rainforest cafe if

[1:04:30] it was just going to end up like this? I

[1:04:31] hate it.

[1:04:32] >> And do not get me started on Land Before

[1:04:34] Time 4: Journey Through the Mist. That

[1:04:36] movie in particular funded so much

[1:04:39] progress that was earned through LOOT 1

[1:04:42] through3. Am I right, guys? We got to

[1:04:45] end it there. I have to go see

[1:04:46] Disclosure D. [laughter] I didn't

[1:04:47] realize what time it was.

[1:04:48] >> Oh [ __ ] It's 3:00. You got to go. You

[1:04:50] literally have to go. Uh, we just have a

[1:04:52] couple more super chats. We'll get to I

[1:04:54] guess I should take Colton off here.

[1:04:55] [laughter]

[1:04:56] >> Yeah,

[1:04:57] >> a couple more super chats. Road Running

[1:04:58] gave us two pounds $2 and said, "What

[1:05:00] makes CGI so expensive? Always been

[1:05:02] curious." It's actually design. It's

[1:05:04] It's bringing all the monsters and and

[1:05:07] dragons and things in from other

[1:05:08] universes and putting them up and

[1:05:10] filming them. And it's the magic that's

[1:05:11] involved like the spirit.

[1:05:13] >> Yeah, dude. It's really the airfare for

[1:05:15] dragons is like so expensive these days.

[1:05:17] It's like a lot.

[1:05:19] >> Yeah. The large planes. The larger

[1:05:21] planes do.

[1:05:22] >> Yeah. No, you have to get like a much

[1:05:23] larger plane because you'd think that

[1:05:24] they would just fly themselves, but no,

[1:05:26] they all want PJs. Disgusting.

[1:05:28] >> And also, I should we should have

[1:05:30] mentioned this at the start. A lot of

[1:05:31] fairy dust was shipped to the straight

[1:05:33] of Hormuz.

[1:05:34] >> So, because of that, the price is like

[1:05:36] astronomical right now, right? And

[1:05:38] Darien Thompson, friend of the channel,

[1:05:39] gave us five bucks and says Spider-Man

[1:05:41] doesn't need cameos. This is a great

[1:05:42] take. Captain America should have had at

[1:05:44] least uh should have had at Captain

[1:05:47] America should have had at least called

[1:05:50] Ant-Man. I don't know what that means.

[1:05:51] Give him someone to lead. Oh, Captain

[1:05:53] America movie should have had Ant-Man in

[1:05:54] the film. U also I need more content for

[1:05:57] Whitney. I agree. So, I I think what the

[1:06:00] point there is that Spider-Man's in the

[1:06:01] MCU and Sony wants to take advantage of

[1:06:03] that by putting Doctor Strange or all

[1:06:06] these Nick Fury and all these other MCU

[1:06:08] characters in the film. I think as long

[1:06:10] as the rights are owned by Sony, that's

[1:06:11] never going to change. I think he'll

[1:06:13] always have an MCU character appearing

[1:06:14] in his films.

[1:06:15] >> Yeah.

[1:06:16] >> Yeah. I think the problem that people

[1:06:18] point out is it constantly being a

[1:06:20] mentor for him, which I don't know if

[1:06:22] that's going to change this movie. It

[1:06:24] seems like maybe not with Bruce Banner

[1:06:26] necessarily but

[1:06:27] >> you know, I I like having Spider-Man in

[1:06:30] a shared world. That was the giddy joy

[1:06:32] [clears throat] of having him join the

[1:06:34] MCU. So, having him literally and

[1:06:37] figuratively swing around and see all

[1:06:39] these other characters is great. But the

[1:06:41] issue is making them be like these

[1:06:44] bearded guys who need to teach Peter

[1:06:46] Parker lessons versus him having his own

[1:06:49] story.

[1:06:51] >> And hopefully Brand New Day doesn't do

[1:06:52] that. And we got to call it there. Uh

[1:06:53] Whitney, you can find Whitney on the

[1:06:55] channel Whitney Vision covering Rick and

[1:06:56] Morty right now. Tons of animation.

[1:06:58] Thanks Whitney. It's always great having

[1:07:00] you on.

[1:07:01] >> Thank you. See you guys later. Bye.

[1:07:02] >> See you later. Bye. And Alex Alvin. You

[1:07:04] can find him on the Comic Book Club

[1:07:06] podcast which is linked down below.

[1:07:07] Thanks Alex.

[1:07:08] >> Thank you. Thanks for having me on.

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