Marvel is Starting "Phase Zero'--but wtf Does that Mean?

[00:07] Let's rewind. Rewind.

[00:13] >> Welcome back to Screen Crush Rewind. I

[00:15] am your humble host, Ryan Ary, and today

[00:18] we're going to talk about something.

[00:19] This is a little bit old news, but we we

[00:21] finally got around to talking about

[00:22] this. We're going to talk about how the

[00:23] Russo brothers said that Avengers

[00:25] Doomsday, they're thinking of in terms

[00:27] of a phase zero. They don't want

[00:29] anything to about the movie to rely on

[00:33] previous movies or films as much as

[00:35] possible, which seems impossible to do.

[00:38] So, we're going to talk about that and

[00:40] some other Marvel tidbits. Also, a

[00:42] leaked trailer for Spider-Man Brand New

[00:44] Day uh dropped. I of course

[00:47] didn't watch the leaked trailer. I would

[00:49] never do such a thing. However, there

[00:51] are rumors and rattlings I've heard

[00:53] about it online that I think we're going

[00:55] to talk about because it sounds like it

[00:56] could be an interesting film based on

[00:58] what we've seen so far. We're going to

[01:00] just talk about latest news on that. And

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[01:35] or two people who might be running a bit

[01:36] late. But first up, you know him as

[01:38] Doug's attorney, Mr. Mike Misella.

[01:40] What's going on, Mike?

[01:42] >> Hey, Ryan. Uh, I mean, little awkward. I

[01:45] got to say I'm a little caught off

[01:46] guard. You're talking about Marvel and

[01:47] Doomsday and I thought we were here

[01:49] today to talk about the big news, which

[01:51] is, of course, we finally got a

[01:53] whalefall trailer.

[01:55] >> Yeah, I know. After Yeah. No, I know. I

[01:58] know.

[01:58] >> After all the anticipation, whale fall

[02:00] is coming. That whale is falling. Who's

[02:02] going to catch it? I don't know. Not me.

[02:05] All right. But I know that me and all my

[02:06] fellow whale watchers out there are

[02:08] going to be in the theaters day one. I

[02:10] already got my tickets.

[02:13] The tickets went on sale today, too, and

[02:14] I missed. Well, my theater will be sold

[02:16] out.

[02:16] >> Yeah, I got special connections. Okay. I

[02:18] I had to do a whole nautical thing. I

[02:19] don't know if you noticed. That's also

[02:20] why I'm wet. I'm not sweaty. It's just

[02:23] >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. And that's a really

[02:24] interesting blank sky background behind

[02:26] you as well. Very very

[02:28] >> Yeah. Thanks. I also I mean whale fall.

[02:29] My This whale is falling.

[02:32] >> Oh, I couldn't even read it. Yeah, I got

[02:33] you. Um uh and if and if you guys are

[02:35] behind on this, we we covered the Disney

[02:37] Upfronts thinking we would get a trailer

[02:38] for something and instead we got the

[02:40] announcement of Whalefall, which we were

[02:42] all very excited about. Next up, you

[02:43] know her from her very own channel,

[02:45] Whitney Vision. Here she is, Miss

[02:47] Whitney L Van Landingham. What is going

[02:49] on, Whitney? How are you?

[02:50] >> Hi, I'm good. How are you?

[02:54] >> Wow, it's been so long since somebody

[02:55] actually asked me that. [laughter]

[02:58] >> I'm great.

[02:59] >> That's why I'm here, baby. I'm here

[03:00] because I care about you.

[03:03] I care about I just want to throw that

[03:05] out there. No,

[03:06] >> you care about whales, Mike. Don't lie.

[03:08] >> I I also care about the whales. Okay.

[03:10] Some of them are endangered. [laughter]

[03:12] >> Whitney, is that Pugsley on your pillow

[03:13] behind you?

[03:14] >> Um, this is a pug mask. Uh, you can you

[03:18] can wear it on your on your head like

[03:21] Yeah. And then you become a pug. And uh

[03:26] it's great. Brett was Pugsley for

[03:27] Halloween a few years ago.

[03:29] >> Excellent. Yeah. Love it. Love it. You

[03:31] should wear that on Whitney Vision

[03:32] sometimes when you're doing your

[03:33] animation videos and animated

[03:35] breakdowns. It would fit right in.

[03:37] >> Oh, that was such a sick plug. That was

[03:39] such a serious

[03:40] >> see what I do for you. You see the

[03:41] things I do. It's like, and if you love

[03:43] Mike's level of humor, you can always,

[03:45] of course, catch him at his comedy shows

[03:47] every week. Mike M Comedy on Instagram

[03:49] with links for that down below. And

[03:50] finally, a guy who has his own YouTube

[03:53] channel, who also does a lot of stuff

[03:54] here at Screen Crush as a full-time

[03:56] staff member. You know him as a guy

[03:57] who's trapped in our TV and doesn't know

[03:59] it, so please don't tell him. Mr. Colton

[04:00] Augburn.

[04:02] Aug.

[04:03] >> I I don't I I don't care how you're

[04:06] doing. I I don't care.

[04:08] >> Yeah, that's okay, man. You're in good

[04:10] company with the rest of Earth.

[04:12] >> I really care how [laughter] you're

[04:14] doing.

[04:15] >> Hey, you know, I I messaged you. My my

[04:18] camera's giving me trouble when you want

[04:20] to know what the problem was.

[04:21] >> What?

[04:21] >> Yes.

[04:22] >> You're too beautiful.

[04:23] >> What?

[04:24] >> [ __ ] wasn't plugged in.

[04:26] >> No.

[04:27] >> Wait, that'll do it.

[04:28] >> I'll be honest. I wasn't paying

[04:29] attention at the start of what you said.

[04:31] What wasn't plugged in?

[04:32] >> The the camera just wasn't plugged. I'm

[04:34] sitting there like troubleshooting your

[04:35] camera and everything and then I look

[04:38] and the cable that connects it to my

[04:40] computer is just

[04:41] >> just dangling. I got to say for all the

[04:43] technical problems that I have, that's

[04:45] not one of them. I know where I know

[04:46] where the cables go. I'm sitting there

[04:48] troubleshooting, going into the

[04:49] settings, checking the HDMI out and all

[04:51] in the cable,

[04:54] >> just dangling the whole time, mocking

[04:55] you like the pet in the pendulum,

[04:57] swinging back and forth.

[04:59] >> Well, Colton, I'm glad you're here. I

[05:00] don't know if you missed it in the

[05:01] intro, but we're going to talk about how

[05:03] the Russo brothers have been talking

[05:05] about this phase zero. I want to go over

[05:07] that news with you guys, and I want to

[05:08] hear first of all what you guys think

[05:10] that means for the multiverse saga and

[05:12] whether or not it's required viewing. Is

[05:14] that [ __ ] on the multiverse saga?

[05:15] But then later, I want to talk about

[05:16] this idea of a soft reboot and maybe

[05:19] what you're hopeful or what you're

[05:20] looking forward to the MCU kind of

[05:22] getting rid of in the soft reboot and

[05:24] what you want to see them keep. And of

[05:26] course, you guys can let us know in the

[05:27] comments. Super chats are always, like I

[05:28] said, encouraged but not required. So,

[05:30] let's start with this quote from the

[05:32] Rootoes, right? They were at South by

[05:34] Southwest London, which by the way, also

[05:37] the site of a pretty kick-ass coffee

[05:39] shop. I don't know [laughter] if you

[05:40] guys are up on that.

[05:42] Uh Joe Russo speaking to the Hollywood

[05:44] Reporter from South by Southwest London

[05:46] uh said the serial shifting changing and

[05:49] the serial shifting and changing and

[05:51] surprising and then reinventing itself

[05:53] and then shifting and changing. I think

[05:54] you're going to see some shifting and

[05:56] changing with doomsday. We were both

[05:57] talking about this concept that we are

[05:59] back to phase zero. This is starting

[06:02] over from scratch. We want to make sure

[06:04] everybody feels like this isn't leaning

[06:06] on anything from the past. Uh,

[06:10] >> damn. Say say shifting and changing one

[06:13] more time, boys. Say it one more time.

[06:14] >> Yeah, I don't know what the context of

[06:15] that was. I don't SAY IT ONE MORE TIME,

[06:17] [ __ ] NOW, [laughter] WHAT DO

[06:19] YOU guys say one more? Um,

[06:23] how in the hell can this movie, let's

[06:24] just start with the practical matter.

[06:25] How can Avengers Doomsday with all those

[06:29] chairs? How can they possibly, and I'm

[06:31] not saying it's not possible, but how

[06:33] can they tell a story that's not reliant

[06:35] on knowledge of the past? They, the

[06:37] Russos even said, by the way, they could

[06:39] not have made the movie Captain America:

[06:40] Civil War if it weren't for what had

[06:43] come before in the MCU. There's no way

[06:44] to make that movie work with with a

[06:46] quarter of the cast without the previous

[06:48] history of the MCU.

[06:49] >> Can I just say,

[06:50] >> you think it's possible that the first

[06:52] hour of the movie is just exposition?

[06:54] >> No. Just like, and here's this person,

[06:56] this person,

[06:57] >> old sonar. Like

[07:00] >> I I'm elated to have our our two fine

[07:02] guests here, but I I do wish that Alex

[07:04] was here because he wrote a great

[07:06] article saying, "Can the Russos just be

[07:08] normal about Doomsday?" and talks about

[07:10] their tone poems and everything.

[07:13] >> They're so weird, man. When you were

[07:16] reading that, my eyes just glazed over.

[07:19] He sounds like he's trying to meet a

[07:20] word count on an essay that's due in

[07:23] four minutes. [laughter] Like,

[07:24] >> no, seriously. How many times is it

[07:26] shifting and changing three times?

[07:29] That's somebody who's looking to hit a

[07:30] word count. I thought it was a typo

[07:32] thesaurus open

[07:33] >> double space. Make periods a larger

[07:35] font.

[07:36] >> You can ring in the margins.

[07:38] >> You can totally do it. I mean, we didn't

[07:40] need the origin story of Han Solo,

[07:42] Princess Leia, Luke Skywalker,

[07:44] Chewbacca, Lando cover, you know,

[07:46] everybody to watch Star Lando's in the

[07:47] second.

[07:48] >> No, but that was five cast members, not

[07:51] 50. Oh, Darth Vader, the Stormtroopers,

[07:54] you know, just every movie has a [ __ ]

[07:56] ton of characters in it. Like, but you

[07:58] don't

[07:59] >> like so much. Yeah, the Stormtroopers

[08:01] got me there.

[08:02] >> Yeah. But I'm saying like you don't need

[08:04] like all these buildup films for each

[08:07] character. You can have an ensemble cast

[08:08] and I think to a movie that'll work. Uh

[08:10] so, and if that's what they're saying is

[08:13] you can walk into Doomsday and just

[08:14] watch it. Sure. I don't know why they're

[08:17] feeling the need to say this is from

[08:19] scratch. This is phase zero. Everyone

[08:22] saw Avengers Endgame like multiple

[08:24] times. That movie nearly cracked three

[08:26] billion. So, I don't know why they're

[08:27] even really feeling the need to say it's

[08:29] completely from scratch. But I just wish

[08:32] they would be normal. And if they don't

[08:33] have anything to say about Doomsday yet,

[08:35] that's fine. Shut up. Just stop talking

[08:38] about Terry.

[08:39] >> Yeah,

[08:39] >> you don't have to. Nobody's holding a

[08:41] gun to your head. It's okay.

[08:43] >> Yeah.

[08:44] Well, Whitney, uh, I don't know. Tell me

[08:47] what you think here as far as this idea.

[08:49] What phase zero [ __ ] means? What?

[08:52] Okay, we should talk about phase zero

[08:54] then.

[08:54] >> What does that even mean?

[08:57] >> It's a prequel. Phase one confirmed.

[09:01] >> Yeah. Okay. So, this is the prequel. Is

[09:03] this the Phantom Menace of the MCU?

[09:05] Like, is that what are we going to get?

[09:07] Are we going to get Dr. Doom pod racing?

[09:09] Cuz that's what I want, baby.

[09:10] >> Godzilla minus one and phase one.

[09:13] >> Yes, exactly.

[09:14] >> I don't I don't think they literally

[09:16] meant it's phase zero, right? I do think

[09:19] what they mean though is they're trying

[09:20] to achieve something where you don't

[09:21] have to have seen the multiverse saga to

[09:23] come into this. I think what I think

[09:25] they have to do a very weird

[09:27] >> Well, but but that's the thing. It the

[09:29] reason why they did it is because

[09:30] corporate forced them to make too much

[09:32] [ __ ] for Disney Plus. So, they couldn't

[09:34] make Avengers movies over the past few

[09:36] years because it was logistically

[09:37] impossible because they were being asked

[09:38] to make hundreds of hours of content

[09:40] while also getting an Avengers movie

[09:42] ready for last year, which is what their

[09:44] original plan was. So, the fact that

[09:46] they've only they've not only been

[09:48] handed make a good movie, but make a

[09:50] good movie that wraps up this saga, oh,

[09:52] but that also ignores this saga seems

[09:55] very weird to me because the saga had

[09:58] good [ __ ] and I'm really disappointed

[10:00] that we're not that it's going to be

[10:02] focused on Steve Rogers and not Shani.

[10:05] I think I know what they might do with

[10:07] it. And it's kind of like the almost

[10:10] like the obvious thing to do, but they

[10:12] have a way to get out of it without it

[10:13] seeming cheap. And that is to keep the

[10:15] good and get rid of the bad, right?

[10:17] They're going to have some things from

[10:19] the Multiverse Saga that need to be

[10:21] known for this movie, right? You need to

[10:23] know what's going on with Loki. You're

[10:25] going to be very confused if you don't

[10:26] know what's going on with Loki. Good

[10:28] news is that one was a hit, right?

[10:30] They're not going to touch Secret

[10:31] Invasion, but good news there is not a

[10:34] lot of people watched that. Not a lot of

[10:35] people watched Iron Hart. Nobody watched

[10:37] Ekko. Like there's a bunch of things

[10:38] that they're just not going to touch

[10:40] because they don't need to. And I feel

[10:42] like the things that people actually

[10:44] watched like Wanda Division. Uh even if

[10:47] you didn't see Captain America, Brave

[10:49] New World, you probably watched Falcon

[10:52] and the Winter Soldier because it was

[10:53] the pandemic and everyone watched it.

[10:54] You know that Sam Wilson is Captain

[10:56] America. probably a lot of people

[10:58] watched Thunderbolts when it eventually

[10:59] came out on streaming, right? Like I

[11:01] know it didn't do well at the box

[11:02] office, but then the hype got around. I

[11:05] think they're going to acknowledge and

[11:07] use the good stuff as crucial plot

[11:09] points and everything that was not

[11:10] popular or didn't go over well, they're

[11:12] just gonna like

[11:14] >> Well, Mike, you're speaking in

[11:15] generalities a lot there. You know,

[11:17] you're saying like everybody did this.

[11:18] >> You want me to say specifics like who I

[11:20] think is staying and

[11:21] >> No, [laughter] no, no, no, no. Hold on.

[11:22] I got a followup. I got a followup for

[11:24] you. uh when when Doctor Strange

[11:26] Multiverse of Madness came out, a lot of

[11:28] like let's just say general audiences,

[11:30] civilians, and that movie made a lot of

[11:31] money, right? A lot of people showed up

[11:33] and were confused because they didn't

[11:34] watch Wision because not everybody has a

[11:36] Disney Plus subscription. Now, I know W

[11:38] Division obviously was watched by a lot

[11:40] of people, had a lot of buzz, but the

[11:42] normal people out there who don't follow

[11:44] who don't who aren't don't have YouTube

[11:46] channels um aren't necessarily following

[11:48] every single thing that comes out. And a

[11:49] lot of those people did skip

[11:51] Thunderbolts and all these other things.

[11:53] So, I mean, when you're talking about

[11:55] everybody saw this, I think you're

[11:56] talking about either the people who saw

[11:58] in the or the people with the Disney

[11:59] Plus subscription. And I that's why I do

[12:02] understand that they do kind of have to

[12:03] go back to Endgame and go, "Hey,

[12:05] remember this is a sequel to the last

[12:06] Avengers movie."

[12:09] >> Go ahead.

[12:11] I think more time has elapsed between

[12:14] when this movie is going to come out and

[12:17] when Loki came out or Wision came out

[12:19] compared to when Wision came out and

[12:21] Multiverse of Madness came out. I think

[12:23] by now, even if you didn't take the time

[12:25] to watch all of the shows on Disney

[12:29] Plus, there are these wonderful channels

[12:30] on YouTube that break down and summarize

[12:32] all of the things that happened at the

[12:33] plot points. I think a lot of people

[12:35] were like, "I'm going to skip that show,

[12:36] but I'll get the summary. I'll get the

[12:38] spark notes." And at least by now when

[12:40] you get to Doomsday, the people that

[12:43] care enough to clock the plot points

[12:45] will have caught themselves up even if

[12:47] they didn't want to commit a bunch of

[12:50] time to Hawkeye or whatever.

[12:52] >> I agree.

[12:53] >> If the Loki series or a YouTube channel

[12:57] recap is required viewing to see this

[13:00] movie, they have already failed going

[13:01] into it.

[13:02] >> Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. I didn't

[13:05] watch Loki.

[13:07] What? What, Whitney?

[13:08] >> Oh, I I know so many people who didn't

[13:10] watch Loki. I know so many people who

[13:12] fell off after pretty much Wanda

[13:14] Division and then they just kind of

[13:15] never got back on. So, it is I think it

[13:19] is

[13:20] >> really a huge disservice to all of the

[13:22] work that they did in the multiverse

[13:24] saga to have them say things like, "Oh,

[13:27] no. Don't worry. We're going back to

[13:28] phase zero. You guys won't have to know

[13:30] any of that [ __ ] we did. Haha. Can

[13:33] you believe we did all that crazy stuff?

[13:35] No more. No more. you don't have to

[13:37] worry about that ever again. That just

[13:39] does such a disservice to all of the

[13:41] really cool parts of the multiverse

[13:42] saga. So, I'm I'm a little annoyed with

[13:45] phase zero. I'm like, [ __ ] off. You're

[13:47] just not smart enough to think of a way

[13:49] to wrap it up good.

[13:50] >> And here's

[13:51] >> But even if they did wrap it up

[13:52] perfectly, I just kind of I was getting

[13:54] out with Mike. I think a lot of people

[13:55] the mo most people would What the who

[13:58] who is this? Like I don't who is this

[14:00] person? You know, a lot of that.

[14:02] >> Yeah. Well, and here's the good thing

[14:04] about this being a direct sequel to

[14:05] Endgame, which I called months before

[14:07] they said that. Let me do my little won

[14:10] a medal. Like, congratulations.

[14:13] So, she doesn't.

[14:15] Sorry. Wait a um

[14:17] >> Oh, no. It's okay.

[14:19] >> One of the great things about it being a

[14:20] direct sequel though, and I love Loki. I

[14:22] think a lot of people saw Loki, but I

[14:24] think anytime, even if it's a hit TV

[14:26] show, even like something like Wanda

[14:27] Vision that we were all uh in lockdown

[14:30] and like everybody watched it. You can't

[14:32] have a TV show be required viewing for a

[14:34] movie. I mean, I've said that till I'm

[14:35] as blue as this void behind me uh in the

[14:38] face. So, with Loki, you you have a huge

[14:43] loose end in Endgame that is directly

[14:46] tied to time travel and branching

[14:48] timelines [clears throat] and the

[14:49] multiverse. You could so easily with how

[14:52] Endgame ended and Steve going into the

[14:55] quantum realm and all that. There's

[14:56] gonna be a scene

[14:58] >> in Doomsday that they can so easily

[15:01] catch us up with a conversation between

[15:03] Loki and some other character to let

[15:05] everybody know, yeah, when you guys

[15:07] tampered with time, this thing happened.

[15:10] And that will tell you everything you

[15:11] need to know. And then that'll, you

[15:13] know, help the Loki series probably do

[15:14] even more numbers like, oh, maybe I'll

[15:16] go watch that series. But it if they

[15:18] just open with Loki sitting on the

[15:20] throne at the end of time and like don't

[15:22] even bother to like give us any

[15:24] information on that, which I do not

[15:26] think they'll do, that would be a very

[15:29] very big mistake. I think

[15:31] >> if they want to do real box office

[15:32] numbers, they will show Loki making out

[15:35] with Owen Wilson on the back of a

[15:36] [ __ ] jet ski like we all goddamn

[15:38] wanted. If that that's how they can hook

[15:40] me with phase zero.

[15:42] >> Let's go.

[15:43] >> But for real, Whitney, that should just

[15:44] be the trailer like that. Yeah, I don't

[15:46] know if you've ever seen Big Top

[15:47] Pee-Wee, but it has the longest on

[15:48] screen kiss of all time. It's just like

[15:50] a fivem minute push in followed by a

[15:51] fiveminute pull [laughter] out.

[15:53] >> Crazy. But

[15:55] >> I think that this whole like phase zero

[15:57] thing a five minute pull out. Ryan, tell

[16:00] us more about that.

[16:01] >> It kind of defeats the purpose. Go

[16:02] ahead.

[16:03] >> Yeah, [laughter] it's a real slow pull

[16:04] out game. I don't know about you.

[16:06] >> N

[16:08] Rozy, sorry, Mike. Go ahead. [laughter]

[16:10] What were you saying?

[16:10] >> No, you're fine. I was just going to say

[16:12] like I think this would be a stupid

[16:14] idea, but I'm trying to think of other

[16:15] interpretations of phase zero and it's

[16:17] like what if they're going to show us

[16:18] like ancient MCU? They're going to reset

[16:21] everything and then the first thing that

[16:23] we get is like the celestials. It's like

[16:25] we're rebooting and we're starting with

[16:26] Eternals again.

[16:28] >> Well,

[16:28] >> we're rebooting and we're starting with

[16:29] God in the Garden of Natural.

[16:32] >> There was a comic book called Marvel

[16:34] Saga that did that that like narrated

[16:37] the whole [ __ ] thing from the start.

[16:38] Sorry, Whitney. Go ahead.

[16:40] Starting with the Garden of Eden.

[16:42] >> Yeah. No, starting at the Garden of

[16:43] Eden, baby. Let's go. Let's go back.

[16:45] >> I'd be down to see a Thor movie that's

[16:47] set in ancient Viking times. Like,

[16:50] that'd be sick, right? If we got a a

[16:52] Thor movie set in like 500 AD, like

[16:55] that'd be dope.

[16:56] >> Well, okay, you bring up you bring up a

[16:58] good point. I want to circle back to

[17:00] talking about Loki and stuff, but I want

[17:01] to talk about this in a bit, so I'll

[17:02] just bring it up now. So, the idea that

[17:04] they keep bringing up where Feige said

[17:06] at one point, we're going to do a soft

[17:07] reset, right? I think we've talked about

[17:09] this on various live streams before, but

[17:12] I'm kind of like looking back and going,

[17:14] there are some things that would be

[17:15] really cool to do. Now, obviously, you

[17:17] can reccon Secret Invasion. It never

[17:19] happened and you can do a real Secret

[17:20] Invasion movie like it should have been.

[17:22] But also, you brought up a good point

[17:23] because Thor was not in like one of the

[17:27] problem people have with the movies is

[17:28] that he uh he's a little kid during

[17:30] Norse times. So, where did the legend of

[17:32] Thor come from? So maybe that's one of

[17:34] those things they can reccon in this new

[17:37] universe where Thor was active during he

[17:40] was born in year zero and not year 500.

[17:42] That's a kind of a cool thing they could

[17:43] adapt and change. And I love that idea.

[17:46] >> Here's the reason it's called phase

[17:48] zero. Like seriously or not that it's

[17:50] called phase zero, but I I think I know.

[17:51] Was it Joe that said Joe Russo that said

[17:53] this? It's usually him that says all the

[17:55] talking. He's like,

[17:57] >> "Yeah, he's the taco."

[17:58] >> Um, I think what it means is I if you've

[18:02] read the 2015 Secret Wars, you know, and

[18:04] they're adapting it and time Runs Out is

[18:06] really going with Doomsday. We're going

[18:08] to see the multiverse collapse.

[18:10] >> We're going to get Battle World and then

[18:13] at the end of Secret Wars, we're going

[18:15] to get a brand new universe. And there's

[18:17] an interview they did a few months back.

[18:20] I forget which outlet it was with where

[18:22] they mentioned the Russos mentioned that

[18:24] this is not so much an ending as it is a

[18:27] beginning. And I think that's pretty

[18:29] much what they're saying here is that I

[18:31] I do think that Doomsday is going to

[18:33] feel like a a final chapter in a lot of

[18:36] ways. But then probably about midway

[18:37] through the film or in the third act is

[18:39] when we see that phase zero start and

[18:42] that's when this new beginning to this

[18:45] new universe that leads into the mutant

[18:46] saga begins. So I think

[18:48] >> all of their marketing I agree because

[18:50] all the marketing is based on

[18:51] countdowns.

[18:52] >> Yeah.

[18:52] >> So you count down to zero. I think maybe

[18:54] that's what they're going for with it.

[18:55] That makes total sense. Um but also it's

[18:58] the cycle of the universe. I mean most

[19:01] astrophysicists believe that you know we

[19:03] began with the big bang and that there's

[19:06] two theories. Either the universe keeps

[19:08] expanding forever until atoms are, you

[19:10] know, millions of light years apart or

[19:12] it hits a certain point and then

[19:13] coaleses into a big crunch which then

[19:15] starts the cycle again

[19:16] >> like collapses.

[19:17] >> And that cycle

[19:18] >> is what they do in the Marvel comics.

[19:19] That's where Galactus comes from. He's a

[19:21] holdover from the previous universe.

[19:22] >> No idea what you're talking about, man.

[19:24] God made the Earth in seven days. Says

[19:26] so in the Bible.

[19:27] >> Says so in the Bible.

[19:27] >> Also got that.

[19:28] >> No such thing as dinosaurs. Dinosaurs

[19:31] are wrong because those aren't in the

[19:32] Bible. And that's why we're talking

[19:34] about the fiction of the Marvel

[19:35] Cinematic Universe, guys, not the real

[19:37] world that you guys live in.

[19:39] >> The real visualiz MCU where evolution in

[19:43] the Big Bang exists. Yes.

[19:44] >> Yes.

[19:45] >> Exactly.

[19:45] >> They visualize the big crunch though in

[19:47] Loki, like tying it back to Loki. Yeah.

[19:50] In the in the finale of Loki, they show

[19:52] that

[19:53] >> it collapse and then go back in on

[19:54] itself and then the big bang happened

[19:56] again. Yeah.

[19:57] >> Yeah. Exactly. And the black holes are

[19:59] also tied.

[20:01] >> Yeah. Black holes are also tied to um

[20:04] the multiverse itself because in that

[20:06] same sequence you're talking about the

[20:07] start of Loki 106, the camera pulls out

[20:10] again. Takes like five minutes to pull

[20:12] all the way out and then um [laughter]

[20:14] and

[20:16] 13

[20:18] [laughter]

[20:21] >> and then uh you um and then like it goes

[20:24] into another universe through the other

[20:25] black hole it's like next to. So yes,

[20:27] that is like then uh Oraoris keeps

[20:31] describing like yeah, you know, it's

[20:32] like when you you the black hole turns

[20:34] you into spaghetti and then we see

[20:35] that's what incursions also do. They

[20:36] turn people into spaghetti and this like

[20:39] weird, you know, noodle kind of look

[20:41] like we saw in the end of Loki season 2.

[20:44] So Loki is kind of at the the center of

[20:46] this, which is unfortunate because it

[20:47] was a streaming show that is very

[20:50] complicated to explain to people. And

[20:51] I'm curious how you guys think they

[20:53] should or would or could address Loki

[20:56] and his new role in the show because if

[20:57] you if you pull somebody off the street,

[20:59] it's insane. It's Oh, did you see the

[21:01] Avengers movies? Oh, yeah. I like those.

[21:02] Did you like Loki? Oh, yeah. He died,

[21:04] right? Well, no, he didn't die. He went

[21:06] to this place with these time cops,

[21:08] right? And so there's this thing and

[21:09] this guy is the center of the universe.

[21:11] It is so [ __ ] weird and so hard to

[21:13] explain. So, how do you bring him in as

[21:16] the guy who can explain things to people

[21:18] while you also have to I want to hear

[21:20] some theories.

[21:21] >> I think it's exactly like Colton said,

[21:23] they bring him back and it's just one of

[21:24] those things where like you didn't need

[21:26] to see what happened with him at the TVA

[21:28] and everything. You saw him go through a

[21:30] time door. He comes back out through a

[21:31] time door. This is kind of like his

[21:33] Gandalf the White moment, right? like

[21:35] Loki returns, but he's changed

[21:37] >> and we don't need to know how he changed

[21:40] or why he changed. I mean,

[21:41] >> he's gayer now. Spoiler.

[21:44] >> He's much gayer now. He's much more

[21:45] fluid.

[21:46] >> Way gayer.

[21:47] >> Loki, they are very fluid and

[21:50] >> much. Let me have it.

[21:51] >> But when Gandalf the White came back,

[21:53] there was a flashback, right? He he

[21:55] didn't just narrate

[21:56] >> eventually, right? But like not

[21:58] >> Well, no. He shows up and then like he

[22:00] shows up and then he's like, "Oh, I

[22:02] fought the thing." And they're showing

[22:03] all that stuff like they're showing what

[22:05] happens to them as he tells them.

[22:06] >> I think they need to have the flashback.

[22:08] >> I I'm notorious.

[22:10] >> Oh, go ahead.

[22:11] >> No,

[22:12] >> you don't think they'll do that in a

[22:13] flashback? Um I'm notorious for hating

[22:16] exposition, but I I love it when it's

[22:18] between two characters that actually

[22:20] need to share information with one

[22:22] another in a story. So, if he if we see

[22:24] Loki like encounter Thor or encounter

[22:27] Steve Rogers and just say, "Hey, you

[22:30] know that thing you did in Endgame?" And

[22:32] hey, hey everybody watching, you know

[22:33] too because I know you saw the movie

[22:35] like twice.

[22:36] >> You know that thing that happened? Oh

[22:38] well I I went to the end of time and I

[22:40] saw the m just like three sentences. I

[22:42] went to the end of time. I saw the the

[22:45] universe dying. You know pretty much

[22:47] that speech that Kane gave to Janet just

[22:49] reps.

[22:51] I don't know what else to tell you.

[22:52] >> That's the only problem with this now

[22:54] that we're like like really working it

[22:56] out is if he has that conversation, how

[22:58] does he not include that conversation?

[23:00] Oh, and by the way, there's this guy

[23:01] called King the Conqueror and then we

[23:03] get into a whole thing about Kingway.

[23:06] >> All right. Well, let's get the King and

[23:07] >> Loki does the exposition. He has to talk

[23:09] about Kang. If we talk about King in

[23:11] this movie, I will say this why he's not

[23:13] in this movie.

[23:14] >> There's a really good reason for him to

[23:16] do the exposition to whoever he talks

[23:18] to. If he talks to a hero, if it's Thor,

[23:21] he's going to grab his hammer and maybe

[23:23] not realize, you know, or Captain

[23:24] America would definitely think because

[23:25] he doesn't know that Loki was reformed.

[23:27] So, I think he would react offensively

[23:28] and then Loki has to explain that as

[23:31] Whitney just said, so well, he's a big

[23:33] tree now.

[23:34] >> But then what about K?

[23:36] >> Is he just getting ignored because of

[23:37] the Loki finale? Is he just not

[23:40] >> mention?

[23:41] >> I might. Yeah, I don't think you need to

[23:43] mention Kang. I I think that Kang is I

[23:47] mean, he's really irrelevant to our

[23:49] current state is that Loki understands

[23:52] the multiverse is collapsing. He's

[23:54] trying to fix it. There are many people

[23:56] who have tried to, you know, conquer the

[23:58] multiverse in the past, blah, blah,

[24:00] blah. Our our latest threat is this Dr.

[24:02] Doom guy. Like that. That's all he needs

[24:04] to say. That the multiverse is vast.

[24:05] It's dying. I'm trying to save it. That

[24:08] I don't think you need to mention Kane.

[24:09] really

[24:10] >> if you think about it from the

[24:11] perspective of a fan who has only seen

[24:12] the movies and the shows and does not

[24:14] know anything about the outside world

[24:16] and what went on with Jonathan Majors

[24:18] and any of that doesn't know that he's

[24:19] not able to return and all of that they

[24:22] would think okay yeah well that big

[24:23] thing with the Council of Kings that's

[24:25] like when we saw Thanos at the end of

[24:27] the first Avengers movie but he didn't

[24:28] show up until Infinity War so maybe in

[24:32] their minds or at least from like a

[24:33] naive audience's perspective oh Kang is

[24:36] still coming but he's further down the

[24:37] line and he's worse than Duke And then I

[24:40] don't know, at some point they either

[24:41] recast Kang or do away with that. But I

[24:44] don't think they need to address it.

[24:45] >> Well, he has to go on a podcast and

[24:47] explain uh [laughter] that uh Kang Kang

[24:51] works with Ben Shapiro now and

[24:54] [laughter] we don't talk to him anymore.

[24:56] I just really I don't think anyone

[24:59] I don't think anyone's going to go into

[25:00] Doomsday and ask where's Kane because I

[25:02] mean we're certainly not going to ask

[25:04] because we know either

[25:05] >> and I don't think any general audience

[25:07] member is going to care to ask.

[25:09] >> I don't think the general audience is

[25:11] going to care either but at the same

[25:13] time it just

[25:15] >> this isn't necessarily like a thing

[25:16] where I think that people are going to

[25:18] go into this movie and BE LIKE WHAT WHAT

[25:20] HAPPENED TO KANG? WHERE DID THAT GUY GO?

[25:22] I think that it's more of the fact that

[25:25] it's like this is like another

[25:28] thing in a long line of things that they

[25:32] will seemingly never wrap up. And I

[25:34] think that that's kind of more so the

[25:36] issue than any one of those specific

[25:39] things not coming back. Like I do I need

[25:43] to see Harry Styles in the MCU? No. It

[25:46] will change my life 0%. Yeah, it it'll

[25:49] change my life 0%. But they put those

[25:52] things in front of me and then they're

[25:53] just either never going to tell me or

[25:55] they're going to tell me so far into the

[25:57] future that it kind of won't matter at

[25:59] that point.

[26:00] >> 16 years in the future and explained by

[26:01] a newscast. Yeah.

[26:02] >> No. Exactly. Exactly. And so I just I I

[26:05] think that that's more so the

[26:07] frustrating thing for me. It's I think

[26:08] it's going to be less that people are

[26:10] like, "Oh man, what happened to that

[26:12] Kang fellow?" I think it's more going to

[26:14] be why the [ __ ] do they keep giving us

[26:16] these huge plot points and these like

[26:19] crazy like postredit scenes cliffhers

[26:22] that imply so much and then never do

[26:25] anything with it.

[26:27] >> I think we're kind of not addressing the

[26:28] elephant in the room here and that is

[26:29] that when the MCU was in its heyday in

[26:31] the Infinity Saga, right? Like when

[26:33] Captain America: Civil War was so good

[26:36] and everybody went to go watch it, and I

[26:38] say everybody like Marvel fans multiple

[26:41] times, but civilians, people off the

[26:42] street, then they saw that movie and

[26:44] they went, "Oh, Spider-Man. Oh, Black

[26:46] Panther. What's up with them?" They saw

[26:48] Infinity War. They saw the end credits

[26:50] and they said, "Oh, who's that about?

[26:51] Who's Captain Marvel?" Something has to

[26:54] be good in order to feed people the next

[26:56] thing. And Marvel kind of hit this mid I

[26:58] don't want to call it superhero fatigue.

[26:59] I think it was mid fatigue. So the Russo

[27:02] brothers now have to kind of go through

[27:04] and go, well, what's worth mentioning?

[27:06] What what did people care about? What

[27:08] resonated with people? And like you

[27:10] said, Colton, Quantum Mania had like an

[27:12] 80% drop off in its second weekend. I

[27:14] think it was pretty bad. Like whatever

[27:15] it was,

[27:16] >> 69

[27:20] brothers, what they dedicate time to

[27:21] explaining, right? I think again this

[27:24] supports my theory that they're going to

[27:25] spend time, a little bit of exposition

[27:27] time explaining the things that are

[27:28] important that people might not know,

[27:30] but the things that are important that

[27:31] they feel like people definitely already

[27:32] know, they're not going to spend time

[27:34] on. They did not spend time in Infinity

[27:36] War explaining who Thanos was. They did

[27:39] spend time in Endgame explaining what

[27:41] the Aether is because probably not a lot

[27:44] of people saw Thor in the dark world,

[27:46] right? So, they're like,

[27:47] >> "Whatever we know is popular, we're not

[27:49] going to waste time explaining. If

[27:51] there's something that's not as popular,

[27:53] didn't get the credit it deserved, or

[27:55] didn't get the viewership it deserved,

[27:56] but we feel like it's important enough

[27:58] to be a part of this movie, we will

[28:00] dedicate two minutes of exposition to

[28:02] that topic.

[28:03] >> Did we tell me? Oh, go ahead, Colin.

[28:04] Sorry.

[28:05] >> Did we meet Maria Hill before the first

[28:07] Avengers movie?

[28:09] >> Yes. No.

[28:10] >> No.

[28:11] >> No.

[28:11] >> No.

[28:12] >> No. She's not an Iron Man, too. She

[28:13] >> They didn't do any

[28:15] >> background, who her parents are, where

[28:17] she came from, the trauma she went

[28:19] through as a child. We didn't need any

[28:20] of that. We just got it. Like she was

[28:22] there.

[28:23] >> She's a woman. She's a soldier. She's

[28:24] She's in a uniform.

[28:25] >> It's mandatory in the MCU to tell people

[28:27] if you're an orphan, Colton. You have to

[28:29] [ __ ] tell.

[28:30] >> Yeah. Especially if you have dad issues.

[28:33] >> Yeah.

[28:33] >> Well, let me ask. What What is one thing

[28:36] you go ahead?

[28:37] >> No, I was just say my point is is that

[28:39] with what's his name? The [ __ ]

[28:42] Captain America guy. Uh [snorts]

[28:45] >> John Walker, Wyatt Russell Walker,

[28:47] >> Johnny Mayonnaise.

[28:48] >> All of these characters. You don't have

[28:50] to.

[28:50] >> I don't know who Sam Wilson you were

[28:52] trying to think of. If it was like, what

[28:53] was that guy's name? The one I really

[28:54] didn't like. Sam Wilson. That was

[28:55] >> Yeah. Yeah. Tommy, not my Captain. Yeah.

[28:58] Anyway [laughter]

[28:59] >> Tommy says it all the time.

[29:01] >> Yeah, I know he does.

[29:01] >> Yeah. When he's not on the podcast.

[29:03] Yeah. Out of nowhere.

[29:05] [laughter]

[29:06] >> I've heard the kitchen sink.

[29:08] >> Yeah. I've just I've heard Tommy just

[29:10] say that at random times.

[29:11] >> I just think a lot of those characters

[29:13] are just kind of You get it. You don't

[29:15] have to have all this background stuff.

[29:17] You just kind of get it. like, oh, okay,

[29:19] >> you're Yeah, you're bringing up Maria

[29:20] Hill, who is like shield soldier number

[29:22] one. I mean, that's like you didn't have

[29:24] to know a lot about her, but like for

[29:26] instance, Shani shows up, right? Shani

[29:29] is somebody who I think has something

[29:32] that will be in this movie. You know,

[29:33] Whitney, you mentioned those postredits

[29:35] teases that won't be mentioned, like

[29:36] Brett Goldstein, Hercules, Star Fox, but

[29:38] if the Eternals would have been a big

[29:40] hit, absolutely they would be in this

[29:41] movie. But I do think that the beacon at

[29:44] the end of Shani is going to be

[29:45] addressed somehow and that'll be what

[29:47] draws him into the movie in some way. So

[29:50] there are going to be ways where I think

[29:51] the Eternals just won't get mentioned.

[29:54] And if they ever do, it'll be in some

[29:55] sequel involving Star-Lord, I hope, or

[29:57] something like that. But in this movie,

[29:58] maybe they'll be in Secret Wars. We did

[30:00] a video about that a while back. But

[30:02] what do you guys think is going to be

[30:03] the thing that we'll stay in that that

[30:06] they can use from the multiverse saga to

[30:07] address? And then we name one thing that

[30:10] they kind of just are going to show up.

[30:11] pull out.

[30:12] >> Yeah.

[30:13] >> Yeah. Yeah. What are we going to pull

[30:14] on? How long is it going to take?

[30:16] [laughter]

[30:16] >> The black hole. Pull out. Takes a long

[30:19] time.

[30:21] >> One more. We get demonetized.

[30:24] [laughter]

[30:24] >> Seriously. And

[30:26] >> And if you're listening to us on any

[30:27] podcast platform, you have no idea

[30:29] what's we're doing right now. Like the

[30:31] visuals are so gross.

[30:32] >> Um

[30:34] shirt.

[30:35] >> He does have a nice nautical shirt on.

[30:37] Uh do you guys have one thing of each?

[30:41] One thing to keep and one thing to get

[30:42] rid of.

[30:43] >> One thing to keep, one thing you think

[30:44] they get rid of it

[30:46] >> in Doomsday or like a after the reboot.

[30:50] >> Let's do Doomsday for now. Like because

[30:51] we're talking about like what they're

[30:52] going to do in the movie, what they're

[30:53] going to ignore in the multiverse saga

[30:55] and then a little bit let's talk about

[30:56] the actual reset and what we expect from

[30:58] there.

[30:59] >> Like I think Sean's beacon is a little

[31:02] ambiguous there. I think here we're

[31:03] talking about get rid of in terms of

[31:04] what do they not even bother mentioning.

[31:06] >> Exactly. We'll see of course. Um,

[31:10] [clears throat]

[31:10] >> so no Gaia. I think that's good. Yeah,

[31:13] >> that's one.

[31:13] >> I think you're right.

[31:14] >> Because it wasn't popular and it was a

[31:16] Disney Plus show and ultimately you

[31:18] don't need her in the movie. Like scroll

[31:20] scrolls were inconsequential in the

[31:21] Marvels, let alone in Avengers Doomsday.

[31:24] That's a great one.

[31:24] >> Yeah, and I agree with Mike. I think I

[31:26] think no young Avengers I don't think

[31:28] we're going to get any of them

[31:29] >> really for possibly Wiccan and Speed. I

[31:32] don't know. Maybe only because of Wanda,

[31:35] but I don't think Um,

[31:37] >> we're not getting M Marvel.

[31:38] >> A guy. We don't get Ms. Marvel.

[31:40] >> I think the Young Avengers Secret Wars.

[31:42] >> Yeah. And I think that's going to be

[31:43] Secret Wars like in the end.

[31:45] >> Yeah. And Secret Wars, but yeah, I don't

[31:46] think that they're going to put those

[31:47] guys in this one.

[31:49] >> I Do you think it's a postredit scene?

[31:52] >> Maybe.

[31:53] >> Possibly.

[31:55] >> Calls Kate Bishop and is like, "Hey, we

[31:57] need we need 2% more help from you and a

[32:01] bunch of teenagers. Go get Patriot. Go

[32:03] get

[32:04] >> I don't know whoever else. Who who have

[32:05] they established? Go get Scar. We need

[32:07] Scar.

[32:07] >> Do you guys think that we could have a

[32:09] postredit scene?

[32:11] >> Do you think a postredit scene would

[32:12] work? So, Colton, you did a great video

[32:14] a few weeks back where you talked about

[32:15] the young Avengers and how they could be

[32:16] the ones on the ark that like where

[32:18] their memories are preserved. So, when

[32:20] the new universe starts, everybody

[32:21] worships Doom except for them. I wonder

[32:22] if a postredit scene where they're just

[32:24] on a ship would work, you know, and they

[32:26] would be like a scene from Secret Wars,

[32:28] but we get to see them. They're

[32:30] together. We go, "Oh, who are they?

[32:31] What? They're the saviors, these kids."

[32:33] You know what I mean? And then maybe in

[32:35] Secret Wars, we see how they got on the

[32:37] ship or what the story was there. That'd

[32:38] be kind of cool.

[32:40] >> Yeah. I I like the idea of like our

[32:42] heroes and I mean this basically what I

[32:44] got into in that video, but we know that

[32:47] the Avengers and the X-Men, the

[32:49] Fantastic 4 that they're not going to be

[32:51] like down on the ground fighting like

[32:54] Doombots in New York City. I think

[32:55] that's where the Young Avengers could

[32:57] come in and that that's where they could

[32:59] like as the universe is collapsing. I

[33:03] don't know who who all would be a part

[33:04] of it. I I forget who I even had.

[33:06] >> Street level street level people would

[33:08] also be a part of that fight. Right. So

[33:09] we got Young Avengers and then we also

[33:11] got Daredevil Punisher

[33:13] >> Luke Cage. Wow.

[33:14] >> I mean the the Daredevil born again

[33:16] season 3 of it all is very confusing

[33:18] because that movie is going to come out

[33:19] or that show Spider-Man after Doomsday

[33:22] but before Secret Wars and Yeah.

[33:23] Exactly.

[33:24] >> We have to remember that Cassie Lang is

[33:27] very knowledgeable of the quantum realm.

[33:30] >> And Kank

[33:31] >> that is true.

[33:32] >> Yeah. and she is now connected, I think,

[33:34] with because we know that

[33:37] >> Camala is going to get her and she got

[33:40] Kate Bishop first. So, I could see those

[33:43] three maybe being the the core like

[33:45] young Avengers that we see going to the

[33:48] quantum realm via like a a raft or

[33:50] something. Yeah, that'd be neat.

[33:51] >> I would be shocked if Vision Quest

[33:54] doesn't end with Wiccan showing up to

[33:56] find his brother and saying, "Let's go

[33:58] get our mom."

[33:59] >> I think that's the big thing they're

[34:00] setting up for Secret Wars. And then

[34:02] those guys run into the three of them.

[34:04] So yeah, those are all things I think

[34:05] they'll keep, but not necessarily in

[34:07] Doomsday.

[34:07] >> And where is their mom?

[34:10] >> In the void.

[34:11] >> Yeah, which is division.

[34:13] >> Battle.

[34:14] >> Yeah.

[34:15] >> And then Wision book ends the whole

[34:16] saga. I would love that. No, I think

[34:18] you're 100% right.

[34:20] >> Is there anything else you guys think

[34:21] they're for sure going to keep or is

[34:23] necessary for Doomsday?

[34:25] >> She-Hulk twerking. They're keeping it.

[34:26] They're keeping it. I'm calling it.

[34:28] She-Hulk twerking all day, all night.

[34:30] Doomsday that butt. Let's go.

[34:33] >> Hey, I've said it a hundred times. Megan

[34:35] the Stallion is one of the coolest

[34:36] artists I've ever worked with. Like

[34:37] before she was actually famous, she came

[34:39] in the room and she could just tell she

[34:40] was gonna

[34:44] heard

[34:44] >> this.

[34:46] No, no. I filmed I filmed it for XL.

[34:49] >> I filmed her for XL for freshman years

[34:51] ago.

[34:51] >> Oh, okay.

[34:52] >> I have no idea.

[34:53] >> No, no. It's I've talked about it

[34:54] before. I'm not trying to like brag. I

[34:56] don't really care. Yeah. No, she's I

[34:58] mean I just didn't know.

[34:59] >> No, but that's awesome.

[35:00] >> Well, anyway, I was pissing next to

[35:01] George Clooney and I was talking to him

[35:03] about, you know, my taxes. Yeah,

[35:05] >> I pissed next to Tony Iomi once, which

[35:07] was really weird. That was a strange

[35:09] like Yeah, the hand holding That's the

[35:11] hand that made Heavy Metal that created

[35:13] Heavy Metal and I'm right next to it.

[35:15] >> Anyways, let's talk about what happens

[35:17] after this reboot and then maybe we'll

[35:19] talk about the Spider-Man trailer that

[35:20] leaked and I definitely didn't watch the

[35:22] leak. So,

[35:24] >> whale fall.

[35:25] >> Exactly. And then we have to get to the

[35:26] people that they want.

[35:28] >> What do you guys feel like you're

[35:30] looking forward to the most about the

[35:32] soft reset?

[35:35] >> Oh, and Monica Monica is going to be

[35:37] picked up on because we know she's in

[35:38] the X-Men universe. Sorry, I meant to

[35:40] say that.

[35:40] >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. No, no, Monica will be

[35:41] in the movie. You're right. Yeah. Yeah.

[35:43] I 100% think because she's the one who

[35:44] can explain things to people. Wait, it's

[35:47] like when Leia when the Ewoks are about

[35:49] to eat Luke and Han and then Leia shows

[35:51] up and explains what's going on to them.

[35:52] I think that's I think is Leia.

[35:55] >> They're from the Marvel movies before

[35:57] Iron Man. They're cool.

[35:59] [laughter]

[36:00] >> Yeah, exactly.

[36:00] >> I don't think you need a lot of

[36:01] exposition for uh Photon because she's

[36:05] uh was in Wavision. It's another thing

[36:07] that a lot a long time ago. They might

[36:09] not see the Marvels. So, they got to be

[36:11] like

[36:12] >> Monica Rambo could be in this movie, but

[36:14] likely Carol Danvers won't. I mean, this

[36:17] is somebody who headed a billion-dollar

[36:18] film, and I don't even know if uh Brie

[36:22] Larson

[36:23] >> wants to come back at all.

[36:25] >> Will I think it's a surprise or

[36:27] something, or maybe they're not putting

[36:29] her on the advertising because they

[36:30] think it'll be have a negative reaction

[36:32] if they advertise that she's in the

[36:34] movie, which is

[36:35] >> screwed up, but

[36:37] >> yeah.

[36:37] >> What was your question about the what

[36:39] we're looking forward to in the reset?

[36:41] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If you guys want to

[36:42] pivot over to that if we're done talking

[36:44] about Doomsday,

[36:46] X-Men. I just I can't wait to see like

[36:50] in the actual MCU like in a live action

[36:52] film with other superheroes. I've only

[36:54] ever seen the X-Men in things with other

[36:56] X-Men.

[36:57] >> Yeah, that's true.

[36:58] >> Other than the cartoons, which I grew up

[37:00] on and absolutely loved, but those

[37:02] crossover episodes where like Captain

[37:03] America would show up and like go on a

[37:06] mission with Wolverine were the best.

[37:08] >> Yeah, for sure.

[37:09] >> Fantastic.

[37:11] >> Yeah, same.

[37:13] looking forward to seeing them get to

[37:14] >> the best.

[37:16] >> I just want to see them get to a point

[37:17] where they're a little bit more back to

[37:19] the comics and less away and less away

[37:21] from the movies, right? Because Robert

[37:23] No, but seriously, like Robert Downey

[37:24] Jr. became Tony Stark. He embodied the

[37:27] character in a way that like and and

[37:29] that gave Tony Stark an outsized

[37:30] importance that he's important character

[37:33] in the comics, especially during the

[37:35] events of Civil War and the fallout

[37:36] afterwards, but nobody would ever be

[37:38] like, "Oh, yeah, Iron Man's the flagship

[37:40] hero of Marvel comics." I would really

[37:42] like to see a Marvel universe where all

[37:43] these characters are back, Steve Rogers,

[37:45] Iron Man, whoever, and just recast and

[37:47] just kind of go back to adapting those

[37:49] stories because I think the movies in

[37:51] more ways than one. The movies even

[37:53] started to affect the comic publishing

[37:54] for a while where Marvel started to hand

[37:56] down edicts that you couldn't create

[37:57] more X-Men characters when the rights

[37:58] were held by Fox. And I loved these

[38:00] movies the most when it was taking those

[38:03] comics and giving them like cool spins

[38:05] in the real world and adapting them

[38:07] straight. And as soon as they moved too

[38:08] far away from it, I think it lost the

[38:10] magic. No, I 100% agree. I think that a

[38:13] lot of like my disappointment with the

[38:15] most like some of not all obviously I

[38:18] still like a lot of these movies and

[38:19] shows of course but like some of my

[38:20] disappointment comes from the fact of

[38:24] that like that we don't um [ __ ] sorry I

[38:28] lost my train of thought. What was I

[38:29] just going to say?

[38:30] >> That's okay. Well, I was talking about

[38:31] comics and adapt like when I watched the

[38:33] battle of New York it felt like I was

[38:35] watching a splash panel.

[38:36] >> Yes, that's exactly what I was gonna

[38:37] Yes. So, it it really bothered me that

[38:40] back in the day you could do really

[38:42] cool, solid theorizing about what might

[38:46] happen based on the comic books that

[38:48] you'd read and you knew that they were

[38:50] going to change it. Like you knew that

[38:51] like things were going to be different.

[38:53] So, you didn't fully know like what was

[38:55] going to happen in the story. But I love

[38:58] that the comics used to be like a little

[39:01] road map for these movies and that it

[39:04] was for people who if you knew, you

[39:07] knew, but you didn't have to like read

[39:09] them to go in and enjoy it. And I do

[39:11] really miss that. I really really miss

[39:14] having things that feel more comic booky

[39:17] and less comic book movie. Uh so I I I

[39:21] also hope that they return to that.

[39:24] >> Also, a unified plan will be really good

[39:26] to have. You know how like in the MCU

[39:28] they used to do so many projects that

[39:29] with they used to have so much time

[39:31] between projects that they could do

[39:33] things like um

[39:36] like when Hydra's forces fire their guns

[39:38] they're from the test rack they sound

[39:40] like Tony Stark's arc like his um his

[39:43] arc reactor because it turn you know you

[39:45] can theorize then like you're saying

[39:46] Whitney the arc reactor then must have

[39:48] been derived from the technology from

[39:50] the tesseract that Howard so there were

[39:52] all these little things they could do

[39:54] but right now when they're making so

[39:56] stuff and I love a lot of the stuff

[39:58] they've made, you know, but when they're

[39:59] making so much,

[40:00] >> creators get siloed from each other and

[40:02] it's harder for people to kind of pick

[40:04] up and coordinate and add to, you know,

[40:06] my favorite example ever is the idea of

[40:09] Doctor Strange seeing all those

[40:10] realities. They got that from Doctor

[40:12] Strange and the ancient one saying she

[40:13] saw possible futures. So, I want these

[40:15] people to be able to build on each

[40:16] other. Sorry, Colton.

[40:17] >> They need someone

[40:19] I'm available. uh who can

[40:22] >> who can come in and kind of just be

[40:25] someone who pops into every room and

[40:29] like can go into an editing room when

[40:32] they're editing a battle sequence or

[40:34] doing the sound design and say, "Hey,

[40:35] you know what would be cool is if you

[40:38] use this same sound effect from these

[40:40] blasters in this movie that when they

[40:41] were on that same plant." Like just

[40:43] little interconnectivity stuff like

[40:44] that. It used to be Kevin Feige before

[40:46] he became like the head of a studio

[40:48] watered down.

[40:49] >> Maybe like a fan or something like

[40:52] that'd be a cool role like

[40:53] >> Well, it used to be the creative

[40:55] committee and thank god it's not.

[40:56] >> Can you imagine the job applications for

[40:58] fan leaison? Those would [laughter] be

[40:59] the most toxic [ __ ] job applications

[41:02] at the

[41:03] >> Oh man, that I would that could just be

[41:06] a YouTube channel just reading them out

[41:08] loud.

[41:09] You know what though? What you're

[41:10] talking about is even less likely to

[41:12] happen because they fired thousands of

[41:14] people from their visv department and

[41:16] that department is the reason why all

[41:19] the MCU movies kind of felt like they

[41:21] took place in the same universe which

[41:23] wasn't always a good thing because the

[41:24] look got stale. But sorry right on what

[41:26] you're saying.

[41:27] >> Oh no. All I was going to say is um they

[41:29] should let me audition for Wolverine

[41:31] because uh I'd be great.

[41:32] >> I keep saying bring a lot of I'm not

[41:34] even kidding. I'm a good actor. I'm like

[41:36] a short angry Sicilian guy. going to ask

[41:38] how tall are you because

[41:40] >> so much authenticity to the role like

[41:42] >> hell yeah hell yeah

[41:43] >> I could do the nose snarl

[41:45] >> this is me standing

[41:45] >> a shot

[41:46] >> or at least [laughter]

[41:48] >> read read my war machine spec script

[41:50] just do that

[41:51] >> okay

[41:53] >> someone someone's got to write a war

[41:54] machine spec script all right Colton go

[41:55] for it

[41:55] >> another title

[41:57] >> read it

[41:57] >> another good title for this this role

[41:59] that I'm totally not pitching for myself

[42:01] I love my job uh but I I could do it

[42:03] like at night or something I don't know

[42:05] um yeah

[42:06] >> is if you got offered a job at Marvel

[42:08] and you passed it up to keep working

[42:10] here. I'd be like Ben Affleck in

[42:13] Goodwill Hunting. I'd [ __ ] kill you.

[42:14] Like [laughter]

[42:15] >> if I come to door in 20 years and you're

[42:17] still there, I'm going to [ __ ] kill

[42:18] you. Sorry guys.

[42:19] >> [ __ ] kill you. They need the um

[42:20] actually. They need somebody on set who

[42:23] kind of like a script supervisor who

[42:25] like maintains continuity and stuff.

[42:27] They need somebody there that can kind

[42:28] of do the well actually and like

[42:31] somebody to speak up for Elizabeth Olsen

[42:33] when she's trying to tell them you're

[42:36] kind of retreading what we already went

[42:38] over division but it needs to be

[42:40] somebody with power. It needs to be

[42:42] >> somebody to be like

[42:44] >> Nate Moore Brad Winterbomb somebody like

[42:46] Liberty should actually be copper at

[42:48] this point because not enough time has

[42:49] passed for the oxidization to occur.

[42:52] >> It needs to be someone who

[42:56] >> Yeah.

[42:56] >> Yes. But they but it has to be someone

[42:58] that has a title like in all seriousness

[43:00] like an executive producer title where

[43:02] they have the authority to walk up to

[43:04] the director and say

[43:06] >> hey you need to do this. It can't just

[43:07] be some you know like slightly above

[43:10] intern guy who's like well actually you

[43:12] know in the in this issue or whatever.

[43:14] No it has to be like somebody with some

[43:15] authority to go in there and can

[43:17] actually demand hey this is wrong. We

[43:20] need to adjust this. Did you ever hear

[43:22] Sam Witworth's story about Padme?

[43:25] Uh, and when his first gig on the Clone

[43:27] Wars.

[43:29] >> Yes. It was uh she was meeting Anakin's

[43:32] mom, right? And he was like, "Actually,

[43:33] they've already met at this point."

[43:35] >> Yeah. So, what it is is his first day

[43:37] recording. They didn't know who he was.

[43:38] He wasn't Darth Maul yet. He was like

[43:39] soldier number two. He was doing a um a

[43:41] thing for the Mortise Gods. And there's

[43:43] a part in that episode where u you know

[43:45] Dave Fona is there. They're all there

[43:46] and he's sitting next to Ashley X

[43:48] Kasoka's in the episode. And then uh

[43:50] there's a line in it where Ahsoka tells

[43:52] a ghost of his mom like, "Oh, I'm in

[43:54] love. I'm married. I can't wait for you

[43:56] to meet her." And Sam Wilbur interrupts

[43:58] and goes, "Um, actually," and everyone

[44:01] looks like, "Who the hell is this guy?"

[44:02] And he goes, "Yeah, Padme and Shmei have

[44:04] already met." And they're like,

[44:07] >> and then Ashley Xeen told him, "I've

[44:09] never seen anybody outnner Dave Filon."

[44:11] So that's

[44:12] >> Let's see that in the episode, though.

[44:14] Let's see. Ghost Shmei be like, "Wait,

[44:16] her? She came to the [laughter] house

[44:18] when you were

[44:19] >> She came to the house once." Yeah. Are

[44:21] you

[44:21] >> You're marrying her?

[44:23] >> You're marrying that lady. She was You

[44:24] were 8 years old and she was a senator.

[44:27] That lady,

[44:27] >> you weren't like chatty predator.

[44:31] >> Yeah. [laughter]

[44:32] >> Oh no.

[44:34] >> Oh, that went a different way from how I

[44:36] thought we did have some super you've

[44:38] been groomed.

[44:40] >> Jesus Christ.

[44:40] >> Anakin, you get away. This is terrible.

[44:42] Wait, you're living

[44:43] >> and somehow not by the Jedi order.

[44:45] You've been groomed by someone else.

[44:47] [laughter]

[44:47] >> I just want to post credit scene where

[44:49] she's taking a politician.

[44:51] >> Let me get this straight. You stole a

[44:54] slave. [laughter]

[44:57] >> What is Niboo if not an island of

[44:59] >> And he's now an occult.

[45:01] >> Resign he will.

[45:02] >> And you're married to [laughter]

[45:04] >> You just do the Chappelle show bit.

[45:06] Yeah.

[45:07] >> Yeah.

[45:08] >> Disgrace Jod is design. Resign he must

[45:11] >> resign. Let's get

[45:13] >> I want to get to these super chats

[45:15] before we talk about Gan Gray. Arman,

[45:17] friend of the channel, he's here every

[45:18] day. Gave us two pounds. Said, "Hey

[45:19] guys, it's me again. I'm drunk today.

[45:21] What's happening?" In his defense or

[45:23] their defense, yeah, it is five hours

[45:25] ahead of the East Coast. So, good on you

[45:28] for

[45:28] >> It's noon for me and I still supported

[45:30] you when I thought it was noon wherever

[45:32] you are. So, just FYI.

[45:34] >> Whitney's like, "I bet you're in Hawaii

[45:36] at 6:00 a.m. and have a great time."

[45:38] >> Exactly. Have a great day.

[45:42] Freeman gave us two bucks.

[45:43] >> Whales.

[45:45] >> Jordan,

[45:47] what's it called again? Whale fall.

[45:48] Can't wait to see it.

[45:49] >> Whale fall. The whale is gonna fall.

[45:51] Okay.

[45:51] >> From where? Where is the whale? Where

[45:53] does it fall to?

[45:54] >> You have to see the film and find out.

[45:56] Jordan Freeman gave us two bucks and

[45:58] said, "What happens to the Crossover

[45:59] Universe podcast?" We're still hoping to

[46:01] do it. We just had to put it on pause

[46:02] for a little bit, but got to get Heather

[46:04] on the show ASAP. Monty Gave us two

[46:06] bucks and said, "Chat solve this. Have

[46:08] Luis from Ant-Man do the recap." I've

[46:09] heard that before. That'd be fun.

[46:12] >> That would be so fun.

[46:15] >> West in the meantime, check out

[46:17] Guardians of the Galaxy with [screaming]

[46:20] >> That's a damn good podcast, honey.

[46:23] >> Tommy B, MT, Whitney, you can't you

[46:26] can't come on the show unless you rhyme.

[46:28] I'm sorry. Just

[46:29] >> you can't beat me. There [laughter] you

[46:31] go.

[46:32] >> Ricky works. So,

[46:35] >> I'm there. You call me Mikey. Mikey. I

[46:37] can

[46:38] >> Mikey works.

[46:39] >> There we go.

[46:41] I'm done.

[46:41] >> Yeah, Colton, you're [ __ ] You're

[46:43] [ __ ] You're never

[46:44] >> No, gave us $5 and said, "Going into

[46:48] phase zero, since the first Avengers

[46:49] Assemble, what does it feel like? Why

[46:52] does it feel like Marvel's Nick Fury has

[46:53] more up his sleeve for this saga like

[46:55] the Young Avengers? I don't know if Nick

[46:56] Fury is gonna I don't know. I'd love to

[46:59] see Nick Fury come in. I've always

[47:01] thought like I thought originally

[47:03] Endgame would have like Nick Fury

[47:04] walking through the portal and being

[47:06] like, I told you, Mr. Stark,

[47:07] >> you're part of a bigger universe. And

[47:09] then they did it a different way, but

[47:10] they might call back to that.

[47:12] >> I I kind of wish they'd had Nick Fury in

[47:14] the portal scene, the big battle at the

[47:17] end of Endgame, like coming out of there

[47:19] with a like two giant guns and just like

[47:23] >> Yeah.

[47:23] >> I mean, they had Sherry there with

[47:25] little blasters, so I can't make Fury

[47:27] >> Howard the duck was there.

[47:28] >> Yeah.

[47:30] >> Fury.

[47:31] >> Yeah. Yeah. And armor that Tony made.

[47:33] >> And I mean, she is a she's a hero in her

[47:35] own respect. And then like while Tony's

[47:37] dying, Nick Fury's in the background

[47:39] scraping up DNA for Secret Invasion.

[47:41] Like Yeah.

[47:42] >> Yeah. Exactly.

[47:43] >> Makes that whole thing way grosser. That

[47:45] Secret Invasion plot line that they

[47:47] added to that.

[47:48] >> So weird. Oh my god. That's who Dr. Doom

[47:52] is.

[47:52] >> Everybody loves Samuel L. But if they

[47:55] reset, you think they want maybe like a

[47:57] a younger, scrappier Nick Fury that is

[48:00] like going on missions with them to like

[48:04] >> who doesn't have it in their contract

[48:05] that he doesn't have to run like Samuel

[48:07] Jackson does.

[48:08] >> Yeah. Can't believe

[48:09] >> God that would be in my Tom Cruz. He has

[48:11] to run.

[48:12] >> I kind of feel like

[48:14] >> he does have to do this guy. I want

[48:18] >> He does. Yeah. And also get his ankle

[48:19] broken. I I want everybody recast.

[48:21] That's my answer to that. I want

[48:22] everybody recast.

[48:24] >> Everybody.

[48:25] >> Everybody.

[48:26] >> No, no, no, no, no, no. Eventually

[48:27] recast. Right. When they're when an

[48:29] actor's ready to step away from the

[48:30] role, someone else can play. Actors are

[48:33] very good at what they do.

[48:34] >> Hear that?

[48:36] >> Do you want them to do that? Do you want

[48:38] them to kind of do it like like with

[48:41] James Bond like where they just keep the

[48:44] continuity going and they recast except

[48:47] within the MCU it might be well here or

[48:50] there new actor coming in because you

[48:52] wouldn't do it all at once. There'd be

[48:54] some

[48:56] >> hire everyone in the MCU at once and

[49:00] gas.

[49:00] >> No, I think that I think too many people

[49:03] would be very upset if like do that. But

[49:05] even with James Bond, it's not even like

[49:07] it's one continuity because like Pierce

[49:09] Broman's M was Judy Dench, but then at

[49:12] the end of Daniel Craig's, it goes from

[49:14] Judy Dench to being the classic M from

[49:16] the original. So like it always is like

[49:18] >> was the same from Connory through I

[49:21] think Broden's like first movie. Wasn't

[49:23] Q the

[49:23] >> Yeah. And then Yeah. And then it became

[49:25] John Cle, right?

[49:26] >> I want them to recast Steve Rogers.

[49:29] >> I think

[49:30] >> eventually. Well, eventually, of course,

[49:32] but I think that Chris Evans still has a

[49:34] lot of years in him to do some really

[49:36] cool Captain America stuff. Like, I

[49:38] don't want to go right back to,

[49:40] >> you know, origins of Steve Rogers.

[49:43] >> Yeah. I don't need another go do

[49:45] something else. I kind of want to see,

[49:46] you know what I'm disappointed in,

[49:47] though? We're talking about the thing

[49:48] earlier what we'd like to see in the new

[49:49] universe. I just want to see Captain

[49:50] America kill Nazis. I was always so

[49:52] disappointed in First Avenger, that his

[49:54] entire World War II experience was a

[49:56] montage where he didn't kill a single

[49:58] Nazi. That's what I wanted from that

[50:00] film because that's the comics.

[50:02] >> They need to do a movie with Captain

[50:04] America, King Taka, and Wolverine

[50:07] fighting Nazis in World War II. That and

[50:11] >> Jones does a cameo because it's owned by

[50:14] Disney by the And

[50:19] >> Yes.

[50:19] >> And then Indiana Jones turns into the

[50:21] Red Hulk right in the middle of

[50:23] >> because he's a variant, right? Yeah. H.

[50:26] >> No, I mean that Marvel 1942 video game

[50:29] is has been in development for a really

[50:31] long time. Looks really good. Who knows

[50:33] if it'll ever come out, but it's

[50:35] supposed to be Captain America and King

[50:37] Taka or even I think his dad. It's like

[50:40] >> Tchala's grandfather uh in World War II.

[50:44] And I like

[50:45] >> I'm so down for that. I I think we

[50:47] should get some period pieces. I want

[50:49] more period pieces out of the MCU. If

[50:51] there's all this like eons, millennia of

[50:54] cosmic history and how it impacted the

[50:56] earth and everything else, like give us

[50:57] an older story.

[50:59] >> Couldn't agree more.

[51:00] >> You know how much money a Chris Evans,

[51:02] Hugh Jackman, Captain America, and

[51:04] Wolverine movie would make?

[51:05] >> God, that would make so much [ __ ]

[51:06] money it would be disgusting.

[51:08] >> And have the balls to make it rated R.

[51:11] Yeah. World War II rated R bloody war

[51:14] movie. Not for nothing, they they could

[51:18] also do a thing in that if the howling

[51:19] commandos are all still active in it

[51:21] because in when they first introduced

[51:23] the Winter Soldier in the comics, Steve

[51:26] does a little bit of retcon history.

[51:27] He's talking, I think, to Sharon Carter.

[51:28] And he's telling her like, look, one of

[51:30] the reasons Bucky was with us, he wasn't

[51:32] just like a teen sidekick. He was the

[51:34] killer. Like, he was trained to go into

[51:37] places and slip in under darkness and

[51:39] murder people. It's just we didn't see

[51:41] that in the happy golucky Captain

[51:42] America comics, you know, where he was a

[51:44] teen sidekick. So they can actually get

[51:45] into that and maybe lay some groundwork

[51:48] for why he made such a good Winter

[51:50] Soldier because the movie still

[51:51] addresses.

[51:52] >> Yeah. And I still really hope even

[51:54] though I'm like I want them to keep

[51:56] Chris Evans as Steve Rogers. I don't

[51:57] want that to hold them back from like

[51:59] doing a Kieran Kulkin Tony Stark or who

[52:01] like I like your idea of just you don't

[52:04] have to recast everybody but you don't

[52:05] have to keep everybody either. And I was

[52:07] actually just working on a video before

[52:09] we got on here talking about how Star

[52:11] Wars needs to do the same thing. They

[52:13] don't have to reset everything and

[52:14] recast everybody, but it is time to

[52:16] recast Han, Luke, and Leia. And I think

[52:18] you can do the same thing in Marvel.

[52:20] >> Yeah,

[52:20] >> couldn't agree more. Uh, the Guild of

[52:22] Calam the Guild of Calamitus intent,

[52:24] which is one of my all-time favorite

[52:25] YouTubers on here gave us 10 bucks

[52:28] >> and said, "The guild just wanted to say

[52:29] hi TO WHITNEY."

[52:31] >> HI. OH MY GOSH, IT'S SO GOOD TO see you.

[52:33] Hi. Hello. Hello. Thank you for joining

[52:36] in.

[52:37] >> And Phila from Down Under gave us eight

[52:39] Australian dollars and said, "Just

[52:40] supporting the channel. Love the show.

[52:41] Love you back." Whitney, do you cover

[52:42] the Venture Brothers? Have I asked you

[52:44] this before on your

[52:44] >> No, I actually don't. I don't cover the

[52:46] Venture Brothers on Whitney Vision, but

[52:48] I am in the middle of covering Rick and

[52:50] Morty. So, everybody go watch those.

[52:53] >> Links for that will be down below.

[52:54] They're not right now because until the

[52:56] last minute, we hadn't locked in the

[52:57] guests, so like it still has a bunch of

[52:58] different people listed below, but we'll

[53:00] change that.

[53:01] >> And then Mr. Sinister 585 gave us $5 and

[53:04] said, "What should they tweak or add in

[53:07] Endgame? What's crucial for a strong

[53:08] connection to Doomsday?" Now, we've

[53:10] talked about this before. I'm curious,

[53:11] Whitney, Mike, I want to hear from you

[53:12] guys. The Russo brothers did say they're

[53:14] kind of going back and doing a little

[53:15] George Lucasing to Endgame, adding in

[53:18] some things that connect to the saga.

[53:20] Um, the the thing that we like to bring

[53:22] up is like the hammering sound as Dr.

[53:23] Doom making his armor at the end of the

[53:25] credits, but do you guys have any ideas

[53:27] what could they add in to I don't know

[53:29] if it's in the background if Dr. Doom is

[53:30] like on an abacus in the background in

[53:32] Asgard in those time travel scenes or

[53:35] like

[53:35] >> Dr. Doom cantina scene has to be.

[53:39] >> No other answer.

[53:41] Wait, Dr. Doom cantina scene.

[53:43] >> Yeah, he's got to be the the CGI the CGI

[53:46] guy doing the karaoke in the cantina

[53:49] scene. That's what I want to see. If

[53:50] they're if they're doing a George Lucas

[53:52] reccon, give me the whole thing. Give me

[53:55] the Give me the whole Fresh Lucas, baby.

[53:57] I want that.

[53:58] >> I think the only thing I would like them

[54:00] doing in that way, like going back and

[54:02] adding something digitally, is like the

[54:04] watcher in the background of scenes or

[54:05] something.

[54:06] >> That would be cool as [ __ ]

[54:08] being added in would be cool.

[54:10] >> It doesn't interfere in any way. It's

[54:12] not as if the characters could have

[54:13] canonically like seen him or spotted him

[54:15] or anything like that. It would I think

[54:17] that would be neat like window dressing.

[54:19] you know, a good place to put him. Um,

[54:22] >> it might be too distracting from a

[54:24] really cool moment, but when Steve faces

[54:25] Thanos's army and he's by himself,

[54:28] >> if you could put in a vague hint, you

[54:29] don't want to detract from it because

[54:31] the only other moment I can think of is

[54:33] like when Doctor Strange holds up his

[54:34] hand,

[54:35] >> but even then, it's not a big sky shot

[54:37] >> or when Tony dies because there's that

[54:39] big sky behind Pepper kind of. You can

[54:42] that'd be cool.

[54:43] >> But then again, hold on. You know what

[54:45] the most crucial moment in that movie is

[54:47] though as far as the multiverse? It's

[54:50] probably when Loki steals the tesser

[54:53] act, right? Because that's the part that

[54:54] he who remains wrote that caused the

[54:56] whole multiverse [ __ ] to happen to

[54:58] begin.

[54:58] >> That was the only thing that happened

[55:00] that wasn't supposed to happen. Well,

[55:01] apart from

[55:04] >> Yeah, watch. I think what they're I

[55:06] think what they're including in Doomsday

[55:07] is going to be something to do with what

[55:10] happens with Steve between the time

[55:12] platform and getting on the

[55:13] >> I think so.

[55:14] >> Well, because that's got to be the most

[55:15] important thing there. We know Chris

[55:17] Evans is coming back. It's going to be

[55:20] the version of him in the past that's

[55:22] coming in through Doomsday. So, I think

[55:25] they're going to show they're they're

[55:27] probably gonna add in a scene after he

[55:29] gets on the time platform or like maybe

[55:32] even because the movie ends the final

[55:34] shot of Endgame is him dancing with

[55:35] Peggy. So, you could just have the movie

[55:37] keep going after that and do like a like

[55:40] show their life together and all that

[55:42] >> like Back to the Future 2.

[55:44] >> Yeah. I [laughter]

[55:46] >> right after the first movie.

[55:47] >> I see a lot of people who just like to

[55:49] get pissy about things say, "Oh, this

[55:51] movie's

[55:52] pun intended doomed." because they're

[55:54] having to re-release the other movie and

[55:57] put in stuff to make this one makes No,

[55:59] they don't have to. They're doing it for

[56:03] it's they're doing it one to make more

[56:05] money off the movie. Maybe get it over

[56:08] that three billion line. There's nothing

[56:10] that they're putting into this in-game

[56:12] re-release, the Doom edition, Doomsday

[56:14] Edition, that's going to be like

[56:16] required viewing.

[56:17] >> Yeah.

[56:18] >> It's just to make money. Yeah,

[56:20] >> they got to dry all this Infinity Vision

[56:22] equipment that they've been sending out.

[56:24] They got to make sure that all the

[56:25] Infinity Vision stuff works,

[56:27] >> which is definitely a real thing.

[56:29] >> Free marketing for Doomsday. It's just

[56:31] part of their marketing for Doomsday. I

[56:32] think I don't think it's, oh, we got to

[56:35] holy [ __ ] we got to get re-release

[56:36] Endgame with this new scene or

[56:38] everybody's going to be lost.

[56:39] >> It could also just be as easy as showing

[56:41] Loki on the throne during a mid-redit

[56:43] scene. Like, it could because the movie

[56:44] has no mid or postredit. So, it could

[56:46] just be that they're doing that, putting

[56:48] the Watcher in the final battle. And,

[56:50] you know, maybe

[56:52] >> All right, we got a mid-redit scene,

[56:54] Loki on the throne. We got a postredit

[56:55] scene. It's the scene from Iron Man one

[56:58] of Tony Stark in the cave, but

[57:02] >> instead of the guy from the conference

[57:04] in Burn, it is Wong or somebody else

[57:08] that is teaching him the mystical arts

[57:10] and then he

[57:11] >> or Loki at funeral

[57:14] >> or Kristoff. Yeah, Loki at Tony's

[57:16] funeral. That'd be kind of weird. All

[57:18] right, guys. I got one more super chat,

[57:20] then we got to wrap it up. We got uh

[57:22] Alex Con gave us, "If only one R-rated

[57:25] movie is made, which character,

[57:28] >> and I'm going to codify that and say not

[57:30] somebody we've already seen." So, Dead

[57:31] Wolverine's already had his and Deadpool

[57:33] have had theirs. So, somebody new only

[57:35] one person gets it.

[57:37] >> Blade. Fantastic.

[57:40] >> I want my World War II

[57:42] Captain America movie. your ultra bloody

[57:45] Yeah. murder Nazis.

[57:46] >> And I want Captain America to say the f

[57:49] word.

[57:51] >> If it's The Punisher, uh, if he's in a

[57:54] movie, I he has to be rated R. Yeah,

[57:57] there's no way I think One Last Kill

[57:59] proves that. Um,

[58:01] >> that's what I'm like saying about like

[58:03] going to see the new Spider-Man movie is

[58:05] I'm like, I watched One Last Kill and

[58:07] I'm like, how is that guy not going to

[58:09] just be like, "Fuck this, [ __ ] that,

[58:11] [ __ ] that." you know, like the whole

[58:12] Spider-Man, like I just saw him do in

[58:13] this other movie. I'm very excited. I'm

[58:15] so excited for Spider-Man.

[58:17] >> Yeah, me too. And I definitely And

[58:18] speaking of Spider-Man, I don't think

[58:19] we're going to get to that before we

[58:20] have to sign off for today. I will say

[58:22] the trailer leak I've heard includes

[58:24] pink energy being thrown around, which

[58:26] is what Gan uses in the comics and an

[58:28] X-Men animated series. And it definitely

[58:30] seems like they're confirming Sadi Sync.

[58:32] Do you guys think there's any chance she

[58:34] does not play Gan Gray in this movie?

[58:36] >> Nah,

[58:37] >> I hope she doesn't.

[58:39] I don't think she's

[58:41] >> I don't Yeah, I hope she's shot there,

[58:42] too. I don't think she's the bad guy. I

[58:44] think that's all bait and switch. I

[58:46] think I think she's being used.

[58:48] >> Yeah, I think her powers are being used

[58:50] maybe by Miles Warren Jackal. Yeah,

[58:53] >> I agree. I would be shocked if she was

[58:55] actually a villain. I think she's

[58:56] definitely being used, but it then it

[58:58] throws in this whole thing where she's

[58:59] perceived as the villain and then the

[59:02] leads to the public fearing and hating

[59:04] mutants, which again goes back to phase

[59:05] zero and the idea that at the next saga

[59:08] we're going to be talking about the

[59:09] mutants and things like that. So, that

[59:10] brings everything full circle. I'm going

[59:12] to have to let you guys go there.

[59:13] Whitney, find her on Whitney Vision. Um,

[59:16] and then yeah, links are down below.

[59:17] Thank you, Whitney.

[59:18] >> Thank you.

[59:20] >> And then Mike, you can find him on Mike

[59:22] Mdyd on Instagram.

[59:24] comedy shows running.

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[59:35] >> And of course, Mike

[59:36] >> Mike gets a commission on all those.

[59:38] Thanks, Mike. And then Darien Thompson

[59:40] gave us $2 at the last minute. Uh they

[59:42] are only adding Doom watching at the

[59:44] end. Yeah, he might be just watching

[59:45] through a window and setting that up.

[59:46] That would also be cool.

[59:47] >> Yeah, that' be cool.

[59:49] >> Colton, we're gonna let you go. Thanks

[59:50] so much. You can catch Colton on his own

[59:52] channel or here on Screen Crush. all the

[59:53] darn time. Um, links for those are

[59:54] below. Thanks, buddy.

[59:56] >> Bye.

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