This Episode Contains Spoilers For The March on Quel'Danas Cinematic - A WoW Podcast, Obviously 66

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[01:02] >> Hello internet. My name is Taliesin. And

[01:03] I'm Evitel. And welcome to a world

[01:05] podcast episode number 66. 66

[01:09] and we are on route to another fantastic

[01:13] podcast, ladies and gentlemen. We're on

[01:15] route to 69.

[01:17] Oh well, I mean now you mention it.

[01:19] I haven't got a birthday for like

[01:21] another 9 months or something. What are

[01:22] you What are you talking about? Welcome

[01:24] everyone. Hi, how are we doing? Oh,

[01:26] we've got We've got stream session going

[01:29] on here. Hi, how are we all? How are

[01:32] things? Welcome to the chat people who

[01:34] are in chat. I can't see the chat.

[01:35] What's going on? Why can't I see the

[01:37] chat? Oh, there it is. Okay, excellent.

[01:39] Um

[01:39] >> are here on a Wednesday, bit out of

[01:42] character for us. Uh Unexpected, isn't

[01:45] it? If you don't follow us on socials,

[01:46] you'd never have known. You don't have

[01:48] alerts on for We were 3 minutes late,

[01:51] but technically we were almost 24 hours

[01:54] early. We were 23 hours and 57 minutes

[01:58] early is what we were doing. That was a

[02:00] Good joke. I really like that. Thank

[02:01] you. That was nice. Welcome. Oh, I It's

[02:03] going to be a good show, I can tell you.

[02:05] And I know it's going to be a good show

[02:06] because we've got some amazing things to

[02:09] talk about.

[02:10] >> god. There is going to be

[02:11] >> Yes, we are. Well, pretty much for most

[02:13] of this episode, although not right now,

[02:15] there is going to I like I'm just going

[02:16] to be wearing this on my shoulder. Oh,

[02:19] he's dead.

[02:21] He can't be dead.

[02:22] >> There's another one behind you. Don't

[02:24] Don't worry, Evitel, cuz even though

[02:25] he's dead, I've got a feeling he might

[02:27] come back.

[02:29] I I think he might come back. Oh,

[02:31] because we're going to be talking raid

[02:33] spoilers, cinematic spoilers from the uh

[02:37] the March of the Kaldorei cinematic

[02:39] and I'm I'm currently writing a

[02:41] cinematic analysis of it. I I'm toying

[02:45] with calling the cinematic analysis the

[02:47] dumbest [ __ ] I've ever seen in my life.

[02:49] >> [laughter]

[02:50] >> Uh but I don't know. I'm looking forward

[02:52] cuz I'm I'm thinking about this way too

[02:53] much. I'm looking forward to hearing

[02:54] people talk about it in chat. I'm

[02:55] looking forward to hearing Evitel's uh

[02:57] opinions on it as well.

[02:59] I mean, I think that sums it up pretty

[03:01] splendidly. Yeah. Uh but not just that,

[03:03] of course, because it's April Fools' DAY

[03:05] AS WELL. DO you know how I know it's

[03:06] April Fools' Day? Do you know how I know

[03:08] it's April Fools' Day? How do you know?

[03:10] Cuz I opened my [ __ ] vault. And I

[03:12] looked inside that and I was like, "Now

[03:14] I remember." That's the only good April

[03:16] Fools' joke I've heard today. That's

[03:19] literally the only It just Every year I

[03:21] don't know Is it because I'm old? Like

[03:23] every year it just gets worse and worse.

[03:25] There was a sweet spot where I would

[03:27] kind of like willingly fall for things

[03:29] and it felt good, but now I'm just like

[03:32] >> [laughter]

[03:33] >> All right. I You know, I'm just shaking

[03:35] my head and everything. Oh, I'm sorry.

[03:36] Look, I I remember seeing that

[03:39] a couple of days ago or something. I saw

[03:41] Mr. GM tweet that, you know, his his

[03:45] planned April Fools' joke was evil. Oh,

[03:49] wow.

[03:49] >> Yeah. Uh so I want I I I haven't noticed

[03:52] it. I haven't seen it online, so

[03:54] hopefully it was. Of course, April

[03:55] Fools' Day is over now. All your jokes

[03:57] have to be done before midday and we are

[03:58] well after midday. It's here. Americans

[04:00] are just waking up. Oh, yeah, I guess

[04:02] so.

[04:03] >> of foolishness ahead of them.

[04:05] Do you think people thought we were

[04:07] joking about doing our podcast today

[04:08] early? It's incredibly possible.

[04:11] >> we're doing our podcast daily

[04:12] nothing to do with World of Warcraft,

[04:14] nothing to do with the podcast, I'm

[04:15] afraid. It's not because it's like, "Oh,

[04:16] they want to talk about the cinematic or

[04:18] anything like that." No. No. Um it's

[04:20] because I'm going to see the Super Mario

[04:21] movie with my son tomorrow.

[04:24] Uh at normal podcast time. He's going

[04:26] for a friend's birthday. The friend's

[04:27] dad invited me to come along and

[04:29] basically help him look after the kids.

[04:31] And I was like, "Yes, please."

[04:33] >> Imagine going to see the new Super Mario

[04:35] movie with your buddies. Yeah. Like, you

[04:37] know,

[04:38] >> god, you're 6 years old. Super Mario

[04:40] Galaxy movie has just come out. It's

[04:42] school holidays. It's your friend's

[04:44] birthday. You're going to go You're

[04:46] going to go with your dad who you love

[04:48] and all of your buds and you're going to

[04:50] go watch some Mario Oh, yeah.

[04:54] going to eat some snacks. I hadn't

[04:55] thought of it that way. This is going to

[04:57] be like one of the best moments of his

[04:58] entire little life so far, isn't it?

[05:00] He's He's going to be so He's going to

[05:01] be so excited. I hope he realizes how

[05:03] how lucky he is and how life will never

[05:05] be as good. I know.

[05:07] >> [laughter]

[05:07] >> Even when he can go to the pub, it won't

[05:09] be quite as good.

[05:10] >> Yeah. So for us it's just a Oh, we can't

[05:12] do the podcast kind of thing, but for

[05:14] him it's going to be a special day. It's

[05:15] going to be a special day for Penny,

[05:16] too, because I'm while that's happening,

[05:19] I'm going to take her climbing. We're

[05:21] going to go to Crazy Climb.

[05:22] >> Oh, are you? Yeah, cuz it's right there.

[05:23] Are you going to Are you going to climb

[05:24] as well?

[05:25] >> No, I'm going to watch her climb. No,

[05:26] you should. I I took Annie to Crazy

[05:27] Climb and I didn't climb and I regret

[05:29] it. I really really regret it. I like I

[05:31] wish I had climbed as well. So I'm just

[05:33] I would bear that in mind if I was you

[05:35] cuz it's really fun looking. It's really

[05:37] cool. Anyway, this isn't irrelevant at

[05:39] all. Guys, if you don't want us to talk

[05:42] about the cinematic and I've done it

[05:44] all, by the way. I I I came on this

[05:46] morning, all right? I I came on. I saw

[05:48] the cinematic last night

[05:50] on my phone as I was putting my boy to

[05:52] bed as usual. But and and then I woke up

[05:57] this morning and I opened my vault and

[06:00] you know, almost threw my

[06:01] almost threw my PC out the window, if

[06:02] I'm being completely honest. And then I

[06:04] I did the intro scenario, which we'll

[06:06] talk about as well, this week's kind of

[06:08] campaign quest. And then I pugged it

[06:11] normal.

[06:13] And at the moment with the amount that

[06:15] everyone is very geared because because,

[06:18] you know, like there's just a lot of

[06:19] gear around at the moment because of

[06:20] Mythic Plus and stuff like that.

[06:22] I feel like normal is is pretty much

[06:24] story mode right now. You can go in. It

[06:26] might take It's cuz two pulls on each

[06:27] boss.

[06:29] And we and we absolutely nailed it. Um

[06:31] so so I could see the cinematic in

[06:33] context and I could see like all the

[06:34] dialogue and the quests and stuff like

[06:36] that in context. And the new skybox as

[06:39] well.

[06:41] Spoilers. Spoilers, spoilers. But if you

[06:43] don't want us to talk about any of that,

[06:45] then well, you can't stop us, but

[06:47] frankly, but you can get us to talk

[06:47] about other stuff as well with a little

[06:49] bit of money. Just send us a little bit

[06:51] of your hard earned way and we'll talk

[06:54] about whatever you want. How? How? Not

[06:56] just in any way. In one specific way.

[06:58] You put it in an envelope just like

[06:59] Blizzard do and send it to us just like

[07:02] Blizzard do with, you know, what you

[07:04] want us to talk about just like Blizzard

[07:05] do. Your favorite clone of perfume on

[07:07] there like Ian does and then just uh

[07:10] yeah.

[07:12] Uh people in chat pointing out that

[07:15] Annie, our son, is three expansions old

[07:17] right now. Well, actually, he was born

[07:19] in BFA.

[07:20] He was born in BFA. So Shadowlands,

[07:23] Dragonflight, War Within. This is his

[07:25] fifth expansion. He was

[07:30] >> [ __ ] weekly reset intro scenarios

[07:34] uh like intro skits with me holding him

[07:36] on camera and it's BFA.

[07:39] Right, of course, cuz it was the Xy'era.

[07:41] Yeah. Of course.

[07:42] >> Yeah, the really famous story about how

[07:44] we were raiding and you had to go into

[07:46] labor and it was like a BFA raid. I

[07:48] always associate This is terrible. I

[07:51] always kind of associate him with

[07:52] Shadowlands because I was pregnant like

[07:56] heavily pregnant with him on stage for

[07:59] BlizzCon when they were talking about

[08:00] it.

[08:01] >> Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, when the

[08:01] Shadowlands was revealed, I guess. Yeah.

[08:04] I was it was

[08:05] Don't worry.

[08:06] Okay. It was like a really

[08:10] Uh it's towards the end of of BFA, I

[08:12] guess.

[08:13] Uh yeah, it was like a point three. But

[08:15] anyway,

[08:17] we killed the dragon. He was born. This

[08:19] is now his fifth expansion.

[08:21] Which is wild, really, when you think

[08:23] about it. Absolutely crazy. Almost as

[08:25] many expansions as he is years old. And

[08:28] granted, like he's he's only a little

[08:30] bit into midnight and he came at the end

[08:32] of BFA. So like if we're doing full

[08:34] expansions,

[08:38] >> [laughter]

[08:39] [clears throat]

[08:41] >> So that must mean That must mean that

[08:45] um that

[08:46] Penny was born at the end of

[08:46] Shadowlands surely.

[08:49] I would Maybe I I might have to look

[08:51] that one up. Yeah, yeah. The time works

[08:53] differently during Shadowlands. Yeah,

[08:55] who knows? Anyway, how do they make us

[08:57] talk about something that isn't this

[08:58] baby [ __ ] You can uh throw us a super

[09:01] chat on YouTube uh if you're watching

[09:04] over there. Yeah, drop us a super chat.

[09:07] Uh let us know what you're thinking. Let

[09:09] us know what you'd like us to talk

[09:10] about.

[09:11] Uh you know, let us just just give us

[09:13] your thoughts. We are reading super

[09:15] chats. Also on YouTube,

[09:18] big news coming up this month. We are

[09:21] going to mostly for your benefit, uh

[09:24] live listeners, we're going to turn on

[09:25] memberships. How exciting. I don't

[09:28] understand what you're saying.

[09:30] >> You don't have to understand because I

[09:31] cuz I do it. So basically, we are going

[09:34] to

[09:35] uh we're going to turn on memberships on

[09:36] YouTube, but like specifically so that

[09:39] you guys can have badges in chat. Is

[09:42] that Is that it?

[09:42] >> Like literally

[09:44] literally just like you guys are

[09:45] >> mean, that's cool. I like badges.

[09:46] They're fine. You guys get badges in

[09:48] chat. Like we'll come up with other fun

[09:49] things. Like particularly cuz we want to

[09:51] do We want to do you folks, like the

[09:53] live listeners and then everyone else

[09:55] cuz we love everyone else, too.

[09:57] Uh we want to give you guys a little

[09:59] something special cuz we appreciate you.

[10:01] And we are like I know that there's a

[10:03] there's like a live listening audience.

[10:04] There are people who just watch the main

[10:07] videos. There are people who, because

[10:09] I've looked at the analytics, watch

[10:11] Oh, no, no, there are people who watch

[10:13] our main videos and then unsubscribe

[10:15] when we do a live podcast.

[10:17] So, there you know, there there there

[10:20] are lots of folks out here and we want

[10:21] to we want to basically give you guys a

[10:23] little something fun. Okay. That people

[10:25] unsubscribe every video you put out.

[10:27] And like any video we put out, people

[10:29] unsubscribe. That's like That's how it

[10:30] works.

[10:31] >> but sometimes there are more subscribers

[10:33] than un- Oh.

[10:34] >> subscribers.

[10:35] >> Right. Um and sometimes Hopefully

[10:38] hopefully always. Well, that's the idea.

[10:40] Well, with podcasts it's a slightly

[10:42] different story.

[10:43] >> Yeah. Uh but yeah, so we're going to be

[10:46] uh we'll be doing that. But that will

[10:48] come later this month. Uh in the

[10:50] meantime, if you want to just drop us a

[10:52] super chat to discuss, chit-chat, talk,

[10:55] question,

[10:57] uh let us know. Yeah.

[10:59] >> That's That's what we are here for.

[11:01] >> you just keep talking. I am. I'm Yeah.

[11:03] Uh yeah, so uh today yeah, uh if you

[11:08] would like to avoid spoilers,

[11:12] um then probably that's not

[11:15] >> keep talking. Come on, you're

[11:16] professional. Go go go.

[11:17] >> I am talking. I am talking.

[11:20] Uh badges and custom emojis, yeah,

[11:22] exactly. Basically, we want to replicate

[11:24] all the good stuff that happens on

[11:25] Twitch and give it to you here. Okay.

[11:27] >> Um but yeah, so uh that is the plan.

[11:32] Uh I so

[11:33] regarding the cinematic, I have not yet

[11:34] done the raid.

[11:36] I did manage to do Void Spire yesterday.

[11:38] >> Uh-huh. Uh with a guild, which is great.

[11:42] Which is fantastic.

[11:43] Did you You weren't in a very good mood

[11:45] when you did it. I came up and you were

[11:46] in a right state.

[11:47] >> I was because because I was so excited

[11:49] to finally do it and then I'm like,

[11:50] "Dude, I am so geared. I'm like 255.

[11:55] I'm like I'm on top of this. Like I've

[11:57] got a couple of hero pieces. I'm

[11:59] absolutely rolling." And um

[12:02] and then I was like second to last DPS

[12:04] the whole time.

[12:05] >> Yeah. You don't read guides, do you? I

[12:07] do Listen, listen, I I love you. You are

[12:10] the love of my life. You're my favorite

[12:11] person on earth.

[12:12] But I've never met anyone so bad at

[12:14] taking advice. You refuse to. And like

[12:16] you take it you you refuse to take

[12:18] advice in any situation.

[12:19] >> advice.

[12:20] >> you could you could be like

[12:23] you could be like um

[12:25] in a in a plane cockpit and like the

[12:28] pilot has a heart attack and dies and

[12:30] you're like, "Shit, I've got to land the

[12:31] plane." And they're like, "Okay, we've

[12:33] got a pilot on the line for you. He's

[12:35] going to explain how to land the plane."

[12:36] You'll be like, "DON'T TELL ME WHAT the

[12:37] [ __ ] to do. Shut the [ __ ] up." You'd be

[12:39] like you don't you you wouldn't actually

[12:41] say shut the [ __ ] up. What you do is you

[12:42] go very stoic and you'd be like, "Mhm.

[12:45] Mhm. Mhm." And like the the guy the

[12:47] pilot on on the phone would be like,

[12:50] "This is how to land the plane. These

[12:51] are the buttons to press." And you'd be

[12:52] like, "Mhm. Mhm." But you wouldn't be

[12:54] listening and you wouldn't do it. Cuz

[12:56] you would refuse. You'd be like And

[12:57] look, I I think that's something I love

[12:58] about you because 99% of the time it

[13:01] works out cuz you're very capable and

[13:02] very lovely.

[13:03] >> I am very capable.

[13:04] >> I'm very clever. But 1% of the time

[13:06] sometimes it doesn't.

[13:07] >> [clears throat]

[13:08] >> Yeah. You know? And and I I feel like

[13:11] perhaps

[13:12] reading a guide, because there are lots

[13:14] even though the class is very simple

[13:16] >> the time.

[13:17] >> Okay, well, okay.

[13:18] >> play I'm a hunter. I can't play without

[13:20] a guide.

[13:21] I watched

[13:22] You know what it is? It's literally my

[13:23] PC. It's like my cool

[13:25] >> sounds are like Oh, we blaming the

[13:26] tools? Is that what we're doing? Is that

[13:28] how we're going to run this?

[13:29] >> This is why I don't want to play World

[13:31] of Warcraft anymore.

[13:32] >> matter it doesn't matter how many times

[13:33] I tell you to put your mouth closer to

[13:34] the microphone so people don't complain

[13:36] about the the like

[13:38] >> then I won't look at you at all.

[13:39] >> just doesn't matter.

[13:40] You won't do it because that's just the

[13:42] way we are.

[13:43] >> Yeah, so it's

[14:38] yeah, I know I

[14:39] >> that, as is traditional on April the

[14:42] 1st, we have had Blizzard drop a

[14:45] hilarious

[14:46] April the 1st post. Now, I'm assuming

[14:48] it's hilarious cuz I haven't read it,

[14:49] okay? But they're always hilarious.

[14:51] They're little joke blue posts, right?

[14:53] So, what we're going to do is, okay,

[14:55] we're going to do a like, you know, try

[14:58] and make Tally laugh session where you

[15:01] read me the hilarious

[15:04] April the 1st blue post and if I laugh,

[15:07] I lose.

[15:08] Oh, well. Well,

[15:10] I've got news for you. I don't think

[15:12] this one is a classic.

[15:14] >> [laughter]

[15:14] >> Oh, no, I lost.

[15:18] Yeah, that was like a menacing laugh.

[15:20] Like that

[15:20] >> [laughter]

[15:21] >> was quite funny.

[15:22] Yeah, but like that's kind of laugh you

[15:23] you make when you see someone you don't

[15:24] like fall on their ass. [laughter]

[15:27] Um I I don't think this one is going to

[15:28] go down into like the annals of history.

[15:30] But you know, that's I just skimmed it.

[15:32] I skimmed it and my problem was that

[15:34] that I was like, "Oh, yeah, that's a

[15:36] good idea. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah,

[15:39] yeah. I'd like to implement that."

[15:40] >> the feedback I'm getting, actually.

[15:41] Yeah yeah

[15:42] yeah.

[15:42] >> actually

[15:43] I I want I want that in a kind of a

[15:45] serious way." Yeah, more than ever

[15:47] before, people are like, "Actually, no,

[15:49] yeah, that, please. That would be really

[15:51] good."

[15:51] >> Yeah. So, shall we shall we do a little

[15:53] run down of the

[15:54] of this? The only other time that's ever

[15:55] happened was during Shadowlands where

[15:57] the April the Fool they I'm I'm

[15:59] surprised they did one during

[16:00] Shadowlands. But the April the 1st Why

[16:02] am I speaking about Shadowlands so much?

[16:03] Who knows? Maybe it's on my mind.

[16:05] >> know.

[16:05] >> Um

[16:06] the the April the 1st post they put out

[16:08] was like, "Yeah, anything.

[16:10] We'll take [ __ ] anything." [laughter]

[16:13] That that [ __ ] April the 1st I Yeah,

[16:15] we'll we'll take it. Let's Let's go.

[16:16] Let's do it.

[16:20] Um so uh here we go. Here is our

[16:23] uh 2026 edition of the World of Warcraft

[16:26] April Fools patch notes. Um

[16:30] Dare I Oh, I'll start.

[16:32] >> Should I Should I bring them up on

[16:33] screen?

[16:34] >> Yeah, I've got them I've got them up

[16:35] here.

[16:35] >> Okay, let me uh I've got to press a

[16:36] button to make that happen.

[16:38] >> the one and only Kybax. Who I

[16:41] appreciate. You know what I mean? Make

[16:42] the uh make the text a bit bigger so

[16:43] people can see it better on the screen.

[16:45] How's that?

[16:46] >> pretty good.

[16:48] Uh World of Warcraft patch 12.0.9.

[16:52] >> [laughter]

[16:53] >> Yeah. Sorry, did I lose?

[16:54] >> Yeah. 9 minutes after midnight, working

[16:56] title.

[16:57] >> Quite funny. Production notes. This

[16:59] patch is going to be a real

[17:00] crowd-pleaser when we reveal it via a

[17:01] series of elaborate videos. Please do

[17:04] not forward this document to anyone.

[17:06] Okay, that's quite funny. Okay.

[17:08] >> Like cuz it's [clears throat] it's

[17:08] making fun of like the way that they

[17:10] reveal midnight. Yeah. Yeah, and like

[17:12] the midnight kind of reveal the game.

[17:14] So, it's making fun of that. And I like

[17:15] the self-awareness. I think that's quite

[17:17] Okay. Okay, I'm not laughing.

[17:19] >> Yeah. But you're you're nodding. You're

[17:20] nodding.

[17:21] >> of foreplay. I'm enjoying it. Yeah,

[17:23] totally.

[17:24] Please do not forward this document to

[17:25] anyone so that we can avoid leaks and

[17:27] everyone can continue doing great work.

[17:29] Remember what happened last time? It was

[17:31] horrible. Maybe not as horrible as when

[17:34] you get takeout and discover a missing

[17:35] item only after you get home, but it was

[17:37] bad. Maybe not as bad as when you drop

[17:39] your phone and it lands on your foot at

[17:41] what feels like terminal velocity, but

[17:43] it was awful. Okay, thank you very much

[17:45] for not leaking these notes. Has anyone

[17:47] ever been upset when they drop their

[17:48] phone on their foot? Surely what you

[17:50] feel is relief cuz you're like, "Oh,

[17:52] thank god it landed on my foot and not

[17:55] and not on the hard concrete on which

[17:57] I'm standing." It broke the little

[17:58] delicate bones. Like yeah.

[18:00] Break my foot 100 times over before you

[18:02] break my phone, please. Yeah,

[18:03] absolutely. Okay, right. I don't relate.

[18:05] Sorry. Bad start.

[18:09] >> point, new content for role players

[18:11] only.

[18:13] I mean Am I a joke to you? What? I know.

[18:16] I was like, "Wait, actually Yes, please.

[18:19] Although I have to say that midnight is

[18:20] very good for role players so far with

[18:22] housing and the Arcan tina and just

[18:25] general like

[18:27] I know all the different phases of

[18:28] Silvermoon as you progress in the story.

[18:29] It It makes it quite difficult for role

[18:31] players cuz people are in different

[18:32] phases and and and like at different

[18:34] levels of the story and stuff like that.

[18:35] But whatever. Who knows? Let's go. Okay,

[18:37] wait. I I now that I'm reading this,

[18:39] this is actually quite funny. Okay.

[18:41] >> Well, I'll be the judge of that.

[18:45] Uh large role play instances. In large

[18:49] role play instances, you'll need to

[18:51] meticulously plan to role play together

[18:53] with up to two dozen other role players

[18:55] as you join up to explore fantastic new

[18:57] ideas, new areas filled with

[18:59] opportunities for expression, non-player

[19:01] characters that we're calling bosses,

[19:04] but you're free to call them anything

[19:05] you like. Each offer you a new and

[19:08] carefully decorated stage area with

[19:10] dialogue and narrative intentions of

[19:13] their own. This patch includes over 50

[19:15] large role play instances for you to

[19:18] discover with a big groups of your

[19:19] co-stars.

[19:21] Role play fighting. We've noticed that

[19:24] role players appear to be missing a key

[19:25] element of storytelling, fictional

[19:27] violence. In role play fighting, you'll

[19:30] finally have access to role play areas

[19:32] we're calling battlegrounds and arenas

[19:35] where you can incorporate low-stakes

[19:37] pretend combat into your narratives.

[19:39] Express yourselves in fictional

[19:40] altercations with other role players.

[19:42] And when the story results in your

[19:43] character's death, don't worry. You

[19:46] won't lose anything at all and you'll be

[19:47] restored to that You can You'll be

[19:49] restored so that you can return to your

[19:51] role play session with only a brief

[19:53] delay.

[19:55] Do you have four co-stars that you

[19:58] regularly role play with?

[20:00] We have great It's the It's Yeah, I get

[20:03] it. I get it. It's like it's a fun It's

[20:05] a funny concept. It's funny in its

[20:07] relentlessness. I like it. Um we have

[20:10] great news for you. Over 120 new areas

[20:12] for five performer role playing have

[20:14] been added to wow. Befitting their size

[20:17] and scope, smaller role play instances

[20:19] include only about five stages and each

[20:21] stage they're in includes a default

[20:23] story for you to add your own narrative.

[20:25] >> look, I appreciate I appreciate the

[20:27] thinking behind this joke. I appreciate

[20:29] the concept behind the joke. I don't

[20:30] dislike the joke. What I will say is I'm

[20:33] very worried that this is their opener.

[20:36] Yeah, well. All right, like I feel like

[20:38] that's a funny joke, but it's not an

[20:39] opening joke.

[20:41] I'm worried for the rest of it. Yeah.

[20:43] Okay, no, that was funny. I like the

[20:45] concept. Trick role players into going

[20:47] into raids and dungeons. That's good.

[20:48] That's good. That's excellent. Yeah.

[20:50] New character customization, tails.

[20:54] Players have been asking for years and

[20:55] we're finally delivering. That's right.

[20:57] Dwarfs can now have tails if they want

[20:59] to. This is a purely optional

[21:01] customization. Please let us know what

[21:03] else you'd like to see added to the

[21:04] customization options for the noble

[21:06] dwarf race.

[21:08] That one's good because it might make

[21:09] people online angry. The good ones are

[21:12] the ones that make people online angry.

[21:13] Like

[21:15] who was it? Was it Method or or Liquid

[21:17] or

[21:18] the other one, Echo, who put out one

[21:20] today which was like a fake blue post of

[21:23] Blizzard apologizing for banning weak

[21:24] auras and saying they were bringing

[21:26] back.

[21:27] That's funny cuz people get angry and

[21:29] like people get very passionate about

[21:31] it.

[21:32] Yeah, yeah. Anyway, sorry. Okay. New

[21:34] dungeon mode, mythic plus plus plus.

[21:37] Okay [laughter]

[21:38] that gets a chuckle from me. That gets a

[21:40] chuckle from me. Yeah.

[21:42] Uh have you ever felt like you're

[21:44] playing alongside someone who can't see?

[21:46] In this new two-person dungeon mode,

[21:48] you'll team up with a complete strangers

[21:50] who is from a different faction that

[21:52] you've never met before and you won't

[21:53] even be able to talk to each other at

[21:55] first. Try tapping out a code or giving

[21:57] them a thumbs up. In mythic plus plus

[22:00] plus, you and your partner can't share

[22:01] the same air, but you can share in a

[22:03] dungeon adventure together. Once you

[22:05] trauma bond over your individually

[22:07] devastating backstories, words of

[22:09] encouragement. Hopefully, your new

[22:11] partner will be incredibly good at

[22:12] everything you're hilariously bad at

[22:14] doing. Amaze amaze amaze. I kind of like

[22:17] the like slightly dadaist absurd humor.

[22:20] This this this

[22:22] >> [laughter]

[22:22] >> Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's what

[22:23] they're going for. It's like you just

[22:24] don't you don't appreciate dadaist

[22:26] absurd humor.

[22:27] >> Yeah, like it's

[22:28] like I like the tone of this and that

[22:30] it's like just completely goofy ass

[22:32] [ __ ] Like

[22:34] >> [laughter]

[22:35] >> I I appreciate it. New dungeon, city

[22:38] boy.

[22:40] I really don't want to read this, but

[22:41] here we go. Okay, so this new dungeon

[22:44] hits different. It's basically snatched

[22:46] giving absolute chaos energy like so

[22:48] delulu. Imagine pulling up with your

[22:50] aura farming besties and the brain rot

[22:52] is instantly out of pocket. The whole

[22:54] place is low-key haunted, but also

[22:56] high-key chopped with fire mobs that

[22:59] straight up do not pass the vibe check

[23:00] and bosses that are built different, no

[23:03] cap. Stack properly or get deleted in 4K

[23:05] and you're cooked like in your flop era

[23:07] wipe maxing.

[23:09] Big yikes. Overall, this one's looking

[23:11] pretty goated, but everyone in your

[23:13] squad will have to understand the

[23:14] assignment so that you can say you ate

[23:16] no crumbs.

[23:18] I feel like they asked me to write that.

[23:21] I feel like they were like

[23:23] who's the oldest person

[23:26] who works here?

[23:28] Can you write like a young person?

[23:31] Okay, so apparently the mythic plus plus

[23:33] plus is a reference to Project Hail Mary

[23:35] which everyone loves and has watched and

[23:37] I have not yet seen.

[23:38] >> Okay, great. Fantastic.

[23:39] >> it. I missed the big I missed the big

[23:40] jokes. Okay. Okay. It only just came out

[23:43] in this country though. It's only been

[23:45] out like a week.

[23:46] You can't expect me to watch a movie in

[23:48] the first week that it comes out.

[23:51] That one that hurt

[23:53] >> maxing? I thought you said wife maxing.

[23:55] >> Oh, yeah, no, you've already got that

[23:56] one, too. It's like

[23:58] really hurt me to read that one out

[24:00] loud. So, let me recover for a second.

[24:02] >> Okay. Okay, hardcore housing. Veteran

[24:06] World of Warcraft players will know the

[24:07] game is at its best when you're on the

[24:09] verge of being completely wiped out.

[24:12] Now the time has come to put your entire

[24:14] house on the line with hardcore housing.

[24:17] Okay, I like this concept. In hardcore

[24:19] In hardcore housing, you'll sign an

[24:20] irrevocable contract that nobody fully

[24:22] reads anyway committing to a mortgage,

[24:24] insurance, and maintenance costs that

[24:26] must be paid every month or you'll lose

[24:28] it all.

[24:29] >> I don't know if I I don't know if I can

[24:30] listen to the rest of this. It's making

[24:31] me anxious.

[24:31] >> I know. Every month thereafter, you'll

[24:33] experience the deep satisfaction that

[24:34] can only come from the escaping utter

[24:36] ruined utter ruined through something

[24:38] close to sheer luck. Head to the

[24:40] Undermine to get started on an adventure

[24:42] that you'll be on for the rest of your

[24:43] life and earn these unique rewards. A

[24:46] one-time only grace period on your

[24:47] monthly payments, a voucher for changing

[24:49] your adjustable rate mortgage to a fixed

[24:51] rate mortgage for a fee. Fixed rate is

[24:53] non-negotiable non-transferable and

[24:54] surprisingly surprisingly

[24:56] non-deterministic. Voucher can only be

[24:58] used in Undermine on the last day of the

[24:59] month. A 20% buff to your house's fire

[25:01] resistance,

[25:03] a special item, the go bag, which holds

[25:06] a few of your most beloved small pieces

[25:07] of decor. That one also hurt me to read.

[25:10] Yeah,

[25:11] this isn't funny. Yeah, this isn't

[25:13] making me laugh. This is making me cry.

[25:15] This is reminding me of

[25:18] everything I hate. [laughter]

[25:20] I I like the concept of hardcore

[25:22] housing. I thought it was going to be

[25:23] funny, but no. No, it wasn't It was too

[25:24] real.

[25:25] >> No. Decor yourself. Feedback from

[25:28] housing enthusiasts has been pouring in

[25:30] and players unanimously want to

[25:32] transform themselves into decor and see

[25:34] what the world is like from the

[25:35] perspective of a elegant almond table

[25:37] >> That that is

[25:39] Wait, that's unironically what's coming

[25:41] next patch.

[25:42] >> Now you can with decor yourself.

[25:44] >> Well, no,

[25:45] that's literally the new game play mode

[25:46] next patch.

[25:48] The decor yourself toy allows you to

[25:50] transform into any piece of decor in

[25:52] your collection. It preserves your

[25:54] It's not an April Fools' joke. They're

[25:55] literally they're doing it. But it

[25:57] preserves your transmog.

[25:59] But

[26:04] What? Are they

[26:06] Did no one go we can't do that in the

[26:08] April Fools' post because it's an actual

[26:10] thing we're doing? Wow. Wait. Wait.

[26:13] Wait. What's the Oh, wait. Wait.

[26:16] Wait, this one's really good. Okay, this

[26:18] one's great.

[26:21] >> [laughter]

[26:22] >> With the previous patch and some

[26:23] incredibly lucky late night hot fixing,

[26:25] we're proud to announce that we reached

[26:27] perfect balance across all classes in

[26:29] our internal testing analysis facility,

[26:31] which is a real thing that we will not

[26:32] talk about any further. Thus, this patch

[26:35] has no need for any class changes. We'd

[26:37] like to take this opportunity to thank

[26:38] everyone who provided the key points of

[26:40] feedback we always needed to reach this

[26:42] incredible milestone. You know who you

[26:44] are.

[26:45] Hunters, all damage and pet damage

[26:47] decreased [laughter] by 5%.

[26:53] >> [laughter]

[26:53] >> It's It's always the class balance stuff

[26:55] that makes me laugh.

[26:57] Oh, THAT'S THE ONLY ONE?

[26:58] >> [laughter]

[27:02] >> OKAY, that's funny.

[27:04] Man yeah.

[27:05] Yeah, Randy's killing me. Okay.

[27:08] New from the wow classic development

[27:10] team.

[27:11] Remember how it felt when an immersive

[27:13] new kind of game play was first added to

[27:15] World of Warcraft so long ago?

[27:18] In those early days of the feature

[27:19] before it was updated and expanded over

[27:20] the months that followed, got to

[27:22] experience their first steps into

[27:24] something truly fresh. We on the classic

[27:26] development team are excited to announce

[27:28] that we're developing classic housing, a

[27:30] return to the six weeks of housing

[27:32] before it was forever changed by

[27:34] Indefatigable experience. [laughter]

[27:38] Yeah. That's funny. In classic

[27:39] [laughter] housing,

[27:41] you'll You'll return to a simpler time

[27:42] with a slower pace. I actually miss that

[27:44] time. Do you? Oh, do

[27:48] And you'll rediscover friends in the

[27:50] neighborhood that you probably haven't

[27:51] seen making a change to their houses in

[27:53] what feels like forever. It's true. I

[27:54] never go back now. Coming summer 2039.

[27:57] We're very busy. Wait, like look,

[28:00] everything's front-loaded this season.

[28:01] You're going to have a lot of time to go

[28:03] back to housing. I promise. You're going

[28:04] to have a a lot of time to go back.

[28:07] Yeah.

[28:08] Coming summer 2039.

[28:11] >> [laughter]

[28:12] >> Wow. This Okay, I would call I I I don't

[28:17] know if I'd call this as like an April

[28:19] Fools' post. I would call this a like a

[28:22] a soul-crushing kind of like existential

[28:26] like just slap in the face. I think they

[28:28] pulled it back at the end there. I

[28:29] thought it I thought it was good at the

[28:30] end. I like that.

[28:33] The guy from The Incredibles with like

[28:34] his face burned out. Like I literally

[28:38] reading this whole thing.

[28:40] Yeah. The The mortgage thing hit too

[28:41] hard.

[28:42] >> thing hit hard

[28:44] All of this All of this hit too hard. I

[28:47] I [laughter]

[28:48] I didn't like it.

[28:49] Okay,

[28:51] thank you. Thank god we don't have to do

[28:53] that segment again for another year.

[28:55] >> [laughter]

[28:57] >> Man, that was a That was a That one was

[29:00] was kind of dark. Um wait, actually

[29:02] here. Let me show you what I look like.

[29:03] Sorry, just cuz I said I look like the

[29:05] dude from The Incredibles.

[29:06] >> Everyone gets it, Evie. Everyone

[29:07] understands the meme. No, no, no, no.

[29:09] You need to understand. I need to

[29:10] illustrate this for you for for the

[29:12] people who are watching. So, yeah, so

[29:15] this is a fun thing. My daughter did

[29:17] some coloring yesterday and um she

[29:19] colored a mermaid and I just

[29:22] want to share with you cuz it kind of

[29:25] captures how I feel.

[29:29] >> [clears throat]

[29:31] [laughter]

[29:35] >> Yeah, that's that's me.

[29:37] >> [laughter]

[29:37] >> Yeah, that's that's pretty much how that

[29:39] April Fools' post made me feel.

[29:42] >> [laughter]

[29:42] >> Definitely.

[29:44] Absolutely. She understood She

[29:45] understood the assignment. She's so

[29:47] She's so cute. I love her but she

[29:49] literally just like [laughter]

[29:51] like really went kind of dark on that

[29:53] one. Yes, very much so.

[29:56] It was it was the it was the scribbling

[29:58] out her eyes that did it. The two gaping

[30:00] maw's. Yeah, yeah.

[30:01] >> [laughter]

[30:03] >> It's so so cute though. I love her.

[30:06] She has a very like strong sense of

[30:08] personal style. I like I like the way

[30:10] she expresses herself.

[30:11] >> Yeah. But that's the thing like that

[30:12] whole RP segment in there

[30:15] >> Yeah. It's like

[30:16] not even low key, high key. RP's would

[30:19] be very much up for that. It's like

[30:21] yeah, give me give me all raid and

[30:22] dungeon instances open and available for

[30:24] RP. That would be that's exactly what I

[30:26] want. Please, yes, thank you, say RP's.

[30:27] Yeah, yeah, I enjoyed the the kind of

[30:30] yeah, the kind of meta commentary going

[30:32] on here about, you know, oh, like we've

[30:35] we've created something for role

[30:37] players. Oh, it's all this stuff that

[30:39] already exists. Haha. But like you know,

[30:42] genuinely it'd be like yeah, that

[30:44] please. The highlighting content for

[30:45] role players only. I was like

[30:48] Yeah.

[30:49] >> [laughter]

[30:52] >> Right, I need to stop talking about this

[30:54] now before I cry.

[30:55] >> Yeah.

[30:55] >> Good, let's move on.

[30:57] So now we are going to move into spoiler

[31:01] territory.

[31:02] >> Here we go.

[31:02] >> Time for the red bot spoiler bot, excuse

[31:03] me. It's here. Here it is.

[31:05] >> Get him back. Because I have played all

[31:08] of this week's

[31:10] campaign quests. I have completed the

[31:13] raid on normal.

[31:15] I unplugged it. Sorry raid team, I'll

[31:16] still be there on Thursday, don't worry.

[31:18] It's not going to take us very long, I

[31:19] promise.

[31:20] And I didn't get any loot, you'll be

[31:23] very happy to know. You got no loot?

[31:25] >> Not a single bean. Mind you, I think the

[31:28] loot from it is pretty bad to be honest.

[31:31] But anyway,

[31:32] we are red bot spoiler botting. I mean

[31:34] it's not a red bot, it's it's a blue

[31:35] bot. Pardon me, it's a blue bot because

[31:37] it's in the game and it's available for

[31:38] everyone to see. No data mining

[31:39] involved. But Yeah, but it's fresh. It's

[31:42] >> fresh. It's very new. I've already seen

[31:44] so many [ __ ] [ __ ] online spoiling

[31:48] it.

[31:49] You know who I'm talking about. They're

[31:52] spoiling it. People love to spoil

[31:54] things.

[31:54] >> They're spoiling it. It's not hard to

[31:55] put a little spoiler in it, is it?

[31:57] >> to spoil something then spoil me, okay?

[32:00] >> Yeah. Yeah. Is that like a sex thing?

[32:02] Was that like being ruined?

[32:04] >> No, that's like literally just give me

[32:05] gifts. Oh, I see.

[32:08] Our minds going to two very different

[32:10] places there. Yeah, that's that makes

[32:12] sense. So you've also watched the

[32:14] cinematic and you have you have played

[32:17] campaign chapter Oh, can we talk about

[32:19] that first?

[32:20] >> That's how we're going to start. Wait a

[32:22] minute, how was your vault? Oh, I I mean

[32:25] Cuz that's the first thing everyone did,

[32:26] right?

[32:26] >> Yeah, my vault is good. I did, you know,

[32:28] we did some nice keys together. I did a

[32:30] few and eight with you. It was not

[32:32] enough to get me like myth item in my

[32:34] vault but

[32:37] it did give me some stuff. I got a nice

[32:40] hero

[32:41] um

[32:42] I got a hero hat. I got the tier set

[32:45] hat.

[32:46] A hero hat and then I catalyzed one of

[32:48] my hero gloves. So I've got a hero two

[32:51] set.

[32:51] >> Why not catalyze both of them?

[32:54] No, I don't have it. That's the it was

[32:56] already

[32:56] >> I'm making a joke about there being two

[32:57] gloves.

[32:59] Hey, now that's good.

[33:02] >> [laughter]

[33:02] >> Now that's a good joke. You have to you

[33:04] have to catalyze each glove individually

[33:06] from now on.

[33:08] Yeah,

[33:09] yeah, so it so it was it was good. I

[33:10] would say at the level

[33:12] of, you know, my play which I get so I

[33:15] still I still feel, you know, I feel

[33:17] good

[33:18] but wow.

[33:22] You've got two set now. Yeah, yeah, so

[33:24] I've got I've got two set now.

[33:26] Probably easier if you take the slipper

[33:28] off. Yeah, I should have done that.

[33:31] Off of your foot.

[33:32] But

[33:33] yeah, so I've got I've got a two set

[33:35] which is nice and you know, it's yeah,

[33:38] it's okay. Oh, that's cool. Hey, hey,

[33:40] that's all right. Plus eight like

[33:41] Algeth'ar Academy key which I will will

[33:44] people into doing with me. You can

[33:46] easily push up to 10's like easily.

[33:48] >> You know what? I I I think I could. I

[33:50] think it's it's just the step over into

[33:52] having like your two set and then your

[33:54] four set and then just bumping up. Like

[33:56] this is So here's the thing like I

[33:58] typically would have hit this ceiling

[34:00] like a bit earlier in the expansion,

[34:02] right? I would have hit like a kind of

[34:05] oh, I'm raiding with my buds and my DPS

[34:07] is still [ __ ] That would have happened

[34:09] a lot earlier.

[34:10] >> [laughter]

[34:10] >> Or later you mean or

[34:12] >> No, no, no, it would have like I would

[34:13] have I would have felt like frustration

[34:15] earlier but like but because I there

[34:17] have been these nice opportunities to to

[34:20] gear up relatively, I still feel pretty

[34:22] good about it. Anyway. How about you?

[34:24] How was your vault?

[34:25] >> My vault was

[34:27] I joked about it. It was actually quite

[34:28] good. It was it was the decisions that I

[34:30] had to make that was hard cuz

[34:32] I went in with like six heroic slots and

[34:36] three mythic slots. How did you how?

[34:39] Three heroic slots from delves

[34:41] from from doing like you know, just

[34:43] maxing those out. Three heroic slots

[34:46] from raid

[34:47] and

[34:49] and

[34:51] keys for the mythic track.

[34:54] So you know, my hopes are pretty high

[34:56] because I'm I'm dressed in like

[34:57] combination of heroic and champion and

[34:59] some veteran gear at the moment still.

[35:01] Yeah, I know, man. Even though I think I

[35:03] replaced the last bit of veteran because

[35:05] you know, I'm running plus 10 keys which

[35:07] is like heroic items drop from from

[35:11] mythic plus keys, right? So it's like I

[35:13] just keep running mythic plus keys. I'm

[35:15] going to be dressed all in heroic stuff

[35:16] eventually. It's not I don't have to

[35:17] wait for lockouts and stuff like that

[35:19] like you do with raid. You can just and

[35:21] that's one of the reasons like mythic

[35:22] plus gearing is so overpowered. It's

[35:23] like I just need to keep popping plus

[35:26] 10's which are easy and like so easy

[35:29] like right now for me personally in the

[35:31] level I play

[35:33] that it's it's like doing plus four's

[35:36] last season or something. Yeah. And

[35:38] granted 12's and 13's quite tricky and

[35:40] you have to really think about them and

[35:41] really kind of, you know, we failed

[35:43] quite a lot of those but plus 10's like

[35:46] they they they just slip

[35:49] down like a juicy oyster and and you

[35:51] might get heroic gear at the end of it.

[35:53] Well, you wouldn't, someone will

[35:54] and that's cool. Speaking of Sorry,

[35:56] speaking of heroic gear, have you come

[35:58] across the issue of like the same piece

[36:02] of gear dropping like an extremely high

[36:05] amount? It feels again it feels like too

[36:08] early for me to be like I only have two

[36:12] pieces of No, I have three pieces of

[36:14] heroic gear on and one of them is a

[36:17] trinket of which I have received four

[36:19] of.

[36:20] >> The Sylvan Wakku Pakku or whatever. Wow,

[36:23] what? It's literally and it's like it's

[36:25] not good but it's like I literally have

[36:28] received four of them. I can't remember

[36:30] which one it is I can't forget which one

[36:31] it is but it's got like the golden

[36:32] silhouetted person on it and and like

[36:35] it's I think it's healing trinket.

[36:38] I get the same one

[36:40] and it's literally the same thing and

[36:41] it's and so every time I have the chance

[36:44] to get some hero gear

[36:45] it is the same it is the same one. That

[36:47] does suck, man.

[36:49] Yeah. It's not good. Yeah.

[36:51] Boo. Anyway, in my vault Anyway. On my

[36:54] myth track I got some I got a mythic

[36:59] chest and mythic trousers which are both

[37:02] good because you can catalyze those but

[37:04] I had

[37:05] previously catalyzed my heroic chest to

[37:09] get two set. So I didn't want to take a

[37:11] mythic chest which I would then have to

[37:12] catalyze again. Yeah.

[37:14] So if I was going to take anything it

[37:15] was going to be the mythic pants for

[37:17] catalyzing. However, I also got my two

[37:20] best trinkets in heroic level. I got

[37:23] like the dream rift trinket and I got

[37:25] the

[37:27] the kind of the dragon's gaze one. I

[37:29] forget what it's called. The Old No. The

[37:32] Old Seer one is the is the dream rift

[37:33] one.

[37:35] The one with the like the purple dragon

[37:37] yeah yeah.

[37:38] Like yeah, the the mastery one like the

[37:41] grade sort of thing which is great for

[37:43] disc as well in raid. Cool beans. So I

[37:46] was like is it better to take one of my

[37:48] best trinkets in heroic or mythic pants?

[37:51] And I had a conversation about it with

[37:52] my guildies online and I decided to take

[37:54] the mythic pants but I'm not catalyzing

[37:56] them yet although I probably should

[37:57] because there's no point cuz like I'd

[37:59] still only be

[38:00] like three set like Sure. It's not it's

[38:03] kind of a waste to catalyze anything

[38:06] like to give yourself three set. Yeah,

[38:08] save it until it gives you four set,

[38:10] right?

[38:11] So yeah, so that's what I've got. I've

[38:13] got my mythic pants on now. Mythic

[38:16] pants. Of course you got to get the best

[38:17] pants. I've got nothing else to spend my

[38:19] mythic crests on so

[38:20] I might as well spend it on like

[38:22] upgrading my pants all the way.

[38:25] All right, cuz I have my 20 myth crests

[38:27] from

[38:28] >> [laughter]

[38:28] >> Yeah. from that one quest that I just

[38:30] keep getting them to me. And and like I

[38:31] guess I I guess I guess I could I I

[38:33] think the next thing would be to craft

[38:35] myself like a belt with a cool

[38:36] embellishment on it or something. Oh,

[38:39] yeah, you can Oh, of course.

[38:40] >> Yeah, yeah, I'm assuming. I'll look at

[38:42] the guides but that's what I'm assuming

[38:44] like yeah, I craft myself a belt or some

[38:46] [ __ ] like that. Something that you

[38:47] wouldn't catalyze, right?

[38:49] Is is what I'm thinking. I did I tell

[38:51] you that I finally figured out crafting?

[38:53] I finally just like maxed it out. I did

[38:56] it.

[38:57] So you went through a journey last week.

[38:59] A journey that many of us went through

[39:01] in Dragonflight when we first kind of

[39:02] took up the new crafting. Oh, how does

[39:04] this work?

[39:04] >> [laughter]

[39:05] >> [ __ ] that.

[39:09] No, I didn't. I didn't. But yeah, I

[39:12] finally got into crafting properly and

[39:16] uh

[39:17] you know, it's a bit it's a bit opaque,

[39:19] isn't it? It's like a little bit broke

[39:22] and I got really excited and I just

[39:24] started putting like knowledge points

[39:25] into my nodes without really thinking

[39:27] about them and

[39:28] >> Loaded up my nodes. Yeah, and packing it

[39:31] all into my nodes. But you know, now

[39:34] I've I've like I've properly done it.

[39:36] I've properly done all the work. I've

[39:37] done all the research. I don't have like

[39:39] the purple gear that you have to farm

[39:42] done done for like I don't that's I

[39:45] don't need that and yeah exactly.

[39:47] >> I got my shoes, I got my eagle mounts.

[39:49] Yeah.

[39:49] >> I am done. Yeah and done done you're

[39:52] done done. Yeah.

[39:54] And

[39:56] X So I've got yeah

[39:58] so I've got my

[40:00] I've got my

[40:01] I've got my

[40:03] my best marksman crafted my two pieces

[40:08] which are like the boots and the belts.

[40:12] >> Oh is that what they recommend?

[40:13] >> Yeah yeah yeah and those are like best

[40:14] for the rest of you know this season and

[40:18] I've got them up to hero maybe

[40:19] eventually I'll get them up to the myth

[40:21] but like they're there and they're gold

[40:23] and I can do it and I dropped a huge

[40:25] amount of gold on proud belts recipe but

[40:28] it felt really good and like you were

[40:30] saying it feels so good to have a thing

[40:32] with your name in it like your your

[40:33] name's on there. Crafted by me like me

[40:36] by me Like I made myself some good

[40:39] [ __ ] Um I jump in I make myself my

[40:41] staff every tier it's like you know it's

[40:44] a weapon so it's great you want to have

[40:46] like

[40:47] a mythic weapon and that's taken care of

[40:49] then I'm not thinking about weapon drops

[40:51] for the rest of the tier I'm like yeah

[40:52] nice one [ __ ] rocking yeah I love it

[40:55] and I love having a weapon that I have

[40:56] crafted myself it says made by me on

[40:59] And then I just upgrade it every tier.

[41:01] Feels fantastic. Yeah yeah so yeah I

[41:03] yeah I still don't feel like I don't I

[41:05] don't love the crafting system but I you

[41:08] know I've maxed it out to the best of my

[41:10] ability I'm keeping on top of like doing

[41:12] crafting orders accumulating more

[41:14] knowledge point you know

[41:16] yeah I got there I got there in the end.

[41:19] Um but yeah anyway that's like part of

[41:22] my my gearing journey this season.

[41:24] That's good to know thank you

[41:26] really interesting really good. So

[41:29] After we've done that after we've done

[41:31] I forgot to like pick up any quests or

[41:32] anything like that cuz I went straight

[41:34] to the campaign quest which is you know

[41:37] marching on caldanas right? Um and it

[41:39] takes a form this entire thing well for

[41:41] start first of all when I got there I

[41:43] stood by the kind of the table in the

[41:46] center of light for a bit getting

[41:48] footage of like all the leaders standing

[41:50] around the table cuz it's really cool

[41:51] you've got shandris there and you've got

[41:54] umbreck there and you've got who's the

[41:56] other alliance one oh valera there. Um

[42:00] Valera or verisa?

[42:02] Which the windrunner sister valera? Yeah

[42:04] windrunner valera there so they're

[42:06] representing the whole alliance and then

[42:08] on the other side you've got

[42:10] like

[42:11] lorthamar and thalysra and they're

[42:12] standing really close together. I like

[42:14] that I thought that was really good

[42:17] you got halderon you've got

[42:20] liadrin and all the rest of them and

[42:22] it's it's great I I love that [ __ ] and

[42:25] it was it was nice I got lots of footage

[42:26] of that oh and arator. Of course arator.

[42:28] >> But is arator allowed to be at that

[42:30] table for some [ __ ] He thinks he's

[42:33] better than himself man. Why is he

[42:34] allowed to be at that table? He's not

[42:37] he's not a factional racial leader why

[42:40] is he there? He's just some [ __ ] No.

[42:43] It's like we here we are at THE TABLE

[42:45] ALL OF THE ALL OF US ALL of the leaders

[42:49] of all the races and this [ __ ] [ __ ]

[42:51] why?

[42:52] Why?

[42:54] All he does is tell them they're [ __ ]

[42:56] wrong.

[42:57] Are you seriously telling me that they'd

[42:58] be like oh not this guy get rid of this

[43:01] guy all he does is [ __ ] tell us we're

[43:04] wrong he's absolutely an alpha baby. And

[43:07] he'll always deny it he'll be like oh no

[43:09] it was so hard oh it was so hard having

[43:11] two legends

[43:13] of the alliance to I was so you

[43:15] understand the pressure I've been under

[43:17] I got you a seat at the table though

[43:18] didn't it arator? He's a storytelling

[43:21] device he's very important. Why is he at

[43:24] the table?

[43:25] >> He's very important.

[43:26] >> I only just got invited to [ __ ] al

[43:28] cantina two weeks ago. [laughter]

[43:32] I still like him. No one knows who my

[43:34] mom and dad are.

[43:36] >> [laughter]

[43:38] >> I still dig him. Um yeah okay

[43:40] so yeah anyway arator's got an amazing

[43:42] plan everyone and we all have to listen

[43:44] to him and his plan is we're going to

[43:45] attack the bridge and go to caldanas so

[43:47] that's what we do. Caldanas. Caldanas

[43:50] and so it's one of those things I it's

[43:53] one of my favorite types of wow quests

[43:54] if I'm completely honest.

[43:56] Oh I love it like you know it's like are

[43:58] you ready to launch this scenario I'm

[43:59] like hell yeah I'm ready for a scenario.

[44:02] It's so good and all the soldiers are

[44:03] there and they're all lined up and

[44:04] they're all like woah and the ancients

[44:06] are there and like there's like a

[44:08] million high elves on dragons and [ __ ]

[44:11] it's like yeah I loved going through

[44:13] that bit and I loved spoiler season

[44:15] obviously I loved going through that bit

[44:17] and seeing like I went and I checked on

[44:20] all of the the little groups of people

[44:22] I'm like okay I've got the fire striders

[44:24] here I've got some nightborne here I've

[44:27] got the kaldorei here I've got you know

[44:30] everyone is like everyone's assembled

[44:32] everyone looks amazing. Yeah. All of the

[44:34] elves are like in their finest elven

[44:36] garb and all the different elf flavors

[44:38] and as an elf like yeah I was like heck

[44:42] this is good this is lovely

[44:44] I I really I really enjoyed that I loved

[44:47] having like the ancients there and yeah

[44:48] they they we start the assault on like

[44:51] crossing the bridge and I love how

[44:52] there's kind of you know there's a

[44:54] there's a focus and you push forward and

[44:56] you kind of defeat a bunch of people in

[44:58] the first bit and then you keep going

[44:59] forward and and you know your strategy

[45:02] changes I loved having I loved running

[45:05] through and having

[45:07] you know like liadrin just like smiting

[45:10] people like Yeah. I'm approaching a

[45:12] bunch and I'm like ready to like pop

[45:13] cool down or something and she's just

[45:15] like

[45:16] and destroys everyone I'm like Yeah. Man

[45:18] you just kind of threw off my rotation I

[45:19] I I I exactly I do that I'm

[45:20] >> [laughter]

[45:21] >> I'm running up and I'm like using using

[45:23] the the extra action button which is

[45:25] like a super attack that they've given

[45:26] me I'll get rid of that mob that group

[45:28] of mob there but I didn't notice

[45:29] umbreck's in there as well and before

[45:31] and I I I cast the thing and before it

[45:33] can land and kill them all umbreck's

[45:34] like I'll take care of these guys with

[45:36] my voidy dicks. Yeah.

[45:39] Oh

[45:39] oh oh oh

[45:40] >> just voidy dicks them all and they're

[45:41] all dead and they're all like The void

[45:42] submits to me and I was like

[45:45] Like and

[45:46] this is spoilery guys this is going to

[45:48] be spoilery pretty much until we until

[45:50] we get to super chat thing. That one

[45:51] that one cracked me up because yeah

[45:53] spoilers for the rest of the episode

[45:54] basically and that one cracked me up

[45:56] because you know you're when you're

[45:57] running through they're they're kind of

[45:58] visible but that was there was just a

[46:00] group of mobs on the dock and you're

[46:01] like that one's for me to get and then

[46:03] umbreck's like no no no.

[46:07] >> [laughter]

[46:07] >> Okay. But I do like I loved all the like

[46:10] defending the docks I thought that was

[46:11] really cool

[46:12] and then

[46:14] when they were like the skies are clear

[46:16] and I ran halfway back before realizing

[46:18] I could fly now.

[46:18] >> No no no I it's I was annoyed but okay

[46:22] so there's a little cinematic plays and

[46:24] and arator goes the skies are clear. And

[46:28] then the cinematic ends you're back and

[46:31] arator you know character box pops up

[46:33] the skies are clear fly back to me and

[46:36] and and you know let's do the next step

[46:38] and I'm like dude you just said the

[46:40] skies are clear how many times do you

[46:42] have to tell a wow player that you can

[46:44] fly you literally just cleared the skies

[46:47] you said it twice and then you said the

[46:49] words fly back to me. Who's going to

[46:51] miss this [ __ ] apparently you did. Me me

[46:54] well no no cuz I I was like you know I

[46:57] was I was running along I was like oh

[46:58] did he mean I could fly and yeah

[47:01] but I did I didn't miss it I was just a

[47:02] bit slow on the uptake that's all.

[47:05] He's like fly to me you know literally

[47:08] get on your mount. Yeah

[47:11] a lot of people in the chat did not

[47:12] understand

[47:13] a lot of people in the chat ran all the

[47:15] way back to that [ __ ] bridge.

[47:18] >> [laughter]

[47:21] >> Um so this campaign chapter that we're

[47:23] talking about right now is available to

[47:24] everyone

[47:26] the raid isn't open till

[47:27] on story mode now the far until next

[47:30] week. Mhm. Um isn't that right so yeah

[47:33] then you get to the bridge. Yeah and you

[47:35] keep you keep pushing forward on on on

[47:37] the bridge

[47:39] and

[47:39] >> that bit by the way I thought that was

[47:41] really really cool because it was you

[47:43] and lorthamar and liadrin and arator.

[47:47] And umbreck. And umbreck and like

[47:49] it was like you would you guys were just

[47:51] kicking ass together it was actually

[47:53] really good.

[47:53] >> Yeah. And like that first kind of when

[47:55] the first kind of it was a bit like in

[47:57] phantom menace that bit that ruins the

[48:00] like how everyone talks about the

[48:02] lightsaber duel in phantom menace is

[48:03] really good when they're trying to

[48:04] defend that [ __ ] awful movie

[48:06] and you go no the YouTube compilation of

[48:11] like the lightsaber duel in phantom

[48:13] menace is really good cuz it cuts out

[48:14] all the [ __ ] cutaways and [ __ ] that

[48:17] breaks up that fight scene you know like

[48:20] and it's also like oh we're making one

[48:21] of the best lightsaber duels of all time

[48:24] but what we'll do is just for a joke in

[48:26] the middle of that lightsaber duel we'll

[48:28] put them in a weird corridor that has

[48:30] like doors opening and closing so they

[48:32] have to stop fighting they have to stop

[48:34] doing the fun thing so we have time to

[48:36] cut back to the really [ __ ] CGI battle

[48:38] that's happening elsewhere it's like no

[48:40] when you watch the movie the lightsaber

[48:41] duel [ __ ] sucks it's good when you

[48:44] put it all together like it should be in

[48:45] the film and put it on YouTube anyway.

[48:48] Anyway. That's what that's what the

[48:49] bridge reminded me of was that little

[48:51] kind of corridor with the funny doors in

[48:52] it and they open up one at a time and

[48:55] that first wave of baddies that came

[48:57] through I don't know when you're when

[48:59] you're with NPCs you expect them not to

[49:01] really do much

[49:03] and they were like they were just

[49:04] joining in with you and it was like boom

[49:05] boom boom and they didn't do anything

[49:06] special either they were JUST LIKE YEAH

[49:08] [ __ ] IT LET'S GO. It was really cool and

[49:10] I loved it I thought it was good it was

[49:11] really neat that was really really fun

[49:14] and of course zalatath is kind of

[49:15] taunting you and arator she's taunting

[49:17] arator along the way. Yeah like

[49:22] So

[49:23] arator really really really needs to

[49:25] work on his comeback game because

[49:28] like

[49:29] every time like

[49:31] zalatath would pop up and she'd be like

[49:33] arator you're a piece of [ __ ] [ __ ]

[49:37] Yes, suck and everyone hates you. I

[49:41] don't even care about you. And then I'll

[49:43] be like, "Whoa, what's Arator going to

[49:45] say? What's he going to do?" And Arator

[49:46] is like, "Oh, yeah? Well,

[49:51] I know you are, but what am I?"

[49:54] And you're like, "Arator, dude, this is

[49:56] so [ __ ] cringe."

[49:58] Oh, he sucks so bad. Like, the only one

[50:00] burning here is you. Yeah.

[50:03] His first comeback was pretty good. His

[50:05] first comeback was something like, "No,

[50:07] we will vanquish you this day,

[50:09] Xal'atath. I swear it on my father's

[50:12] shield." And I thought, okay, he was

[50:14] proven to be wrong. We didn't actually

[50:15] vanquish her. But, like, I liked the

[50:17] line. I thought the line was pretty

[50:18] good. But then after that, they were

[50:20] they were bad. They were bad comebacks.

[50:22] She was like She was like, "Are you Oh,

[50:24] oh, poor little boy. Are you going to

[50:26] burn up again and burn all your friends

[50:28] with the wrath of the light?" And he's

[50:29] like, "Duh, duh, duh. The only one who's

[50:33] going to burn, uh Zally,

[50:37] is you."

[50:38] >> He's like me trying to Yeah, he's like

[50:39] me trying to do smack talk. And he's 40

[50:42] years old.

[50:43] >> Yeah, he's just very He's like very

[50:45] earnest and serious. It suits him. He

[50:48] was They were weak weak comebacks. Do

[50:50] you know why? Cuz he shouldn't be Why is

[50:53] he there?

[50:54] >> one line that he said that was good.

[50:55] There was one line that HE SAID THAT WAS

[50:56] GOOD. THERE was one line that he said

[50:57] that was good. There was one line that

[50:57] he said that was good. There was one

[50:58] line that he said that was good. There

[50:59] was one line that he All you All you

[51:01] managed to do was unite the elves or

[51:03] something. Like, I can't remember the

[51:05] exact line, but it was All you succeeded

[51:06] to do is unite us.

[51:08] >> Yeah, and I'm like, yeah. That's pretty

[51:10] good.

[51:11] I guess. I like that one. Yeah, okay.

[51:13] >> Yeah.

[51:15] Uh He's had that shield line saved up

[51:17] like all expansion, and he blew it. And

[51:18] it was good. It was good. It worked, but

[51:20] he should have had some others lined up

[51:21] as well.

[51:21] >> Yeah. He didn't He did not prepare his

[51:23] comeback game in this patch.

[51:24] >> not, and that's fine. He's He's He's

[51:26] just He's just doing the the

[51:27] >> [laughter]

[51:27] >> Yeah.

[51:28] He's bless him. He's doing his best.

[51:30] >> But I like the fighting. I thought the

[51:32] fighting was really good. And then the

[51:33] little cutscene that plays at the end of

[51:35] the bridge, where you see all of the

[51:36] elves doing their [ __ ] right? And then

[51:38] they're like,

[51:39] "OH, I LOVE THAT SHIT." AND THEN THEY'RE

[51:41] LIKE, "OH, I LOVE THAT SHIT." AND THEN

[51:41] they're like, gives you the kind of

[51:43] feels. And I was sitting here and

[51:45] Thalyssra was doing it, and he was like,

[51:47] "Oh yeah."

[51:48] >> Yeah, I was loving that [ __ ] I was like

[51:50] I was kind of cheering along. It was It

[51:52] felt really good. It felt really

[51:53] impactful. I I really enjoyed I really

[51:56] enjoyed the scenario. I thought it was

[51:58] good.

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[52:10] rules. And you know why I love that?

[52:11] I've written this in a video before, but

[52:13] I love that because of that scene just

[52:16] before the second Siege of Orgrimmar in

[52:18] BFA. It was the end of BFA just before

[52:20] the Mag'har, where like Thalyssra is

[52:24] talking to Jaina, and she's like, "Yo,

[52:27] that [ __ ] you did at the beginning of

[52:28] the expansion in the Battle of

[52:29] Lordaeron. I know we're on different

[52:31] sides, right? But, that floating ship

[52:33] with the like the magic cannons, how the

[52:36] [ __ ] did you do that?" And And Jaina's

[52:38] like, "Maybe I'll tell you."

[52:40] Even though like you're a Horde and I'm

[52:41] Alliance, so probably shouldn't. But,

[52:43] and you know, this is like

[52:45] We've proved this expansion that we're

[52:46] always at war anyway. And And it's cool

[52:48] that she did learn how to do it. She

[52:50] did.

[52:50] >> rocks up with her arcane cannons. I just

[52:52] think that's so cool. It's such a great

[52:54] little kind of throwback. I love that. I

[52:55] think that's really funny.

[52:56] >> really cool. But then

[52:58] Yeah. And then And then you're like,

[53:01] "Wait, wait, you know, then arrows or

[53:03] something come flying your way or

[53:05] whatever." And suddenly there's Zul'jara

[53:08] rocking up with the trolls.

[53:10] >> I love that [ __ ]

[53:11] >> And her line is so good. She's like,

[53:13] "You think I could resist an opportunity

[53:15] to raid Silvermoon?" And I'm like,

[53:17] >> [laughter]

[53:17] >> "That's a great line."

[53:19] Oh,

[53:21] that that literally made me go like,

[53:23] "Well done." That was so good. And then

[53:26] of course, because the trolls are there,

[53:28] the Harbingers come too.

[53:29] >> Yeah. And you're like,

[53:30] >> Mind you, like, You say come too, that's

[53:32] cool. So So Zul'jara basically turns up

[53:34] by herself. She's got like it's her and

[53:35] some friends. It's like her and some

[53:36] friends.

[53:37] She's literally like on a [ __ ] raft.

[53:40] She's like, "Okay,

[53:41] uh me and we just going to raid." And

[53:43] it's like, "Okay, I guess. Thanks."

[53:45] Yeah. She's like, "I could not resist."

[53:48] Yeah, it was Yeah, it was She was cool.

[53:50] [laughter]

[53:51] Yeah. Um And yeah, the Harbingers

[53:52] turning up was fun as well. I liked that

[53:53] [ __ ]

[53:54] I like I like I love the bit if they do

[53:58] it, which they don't always, but I like

[53:59] it when, you know, you're doing the

[54:01] fight at the end of the opening patch,

[54:02] and all the allies you made turn up and

[54:05] help. And that's

[54:06] That's what it's all about, right?

[54:07] Absolutely.

[54:08] >> Yeah. I'm glad the Dominar didn't turn

[54:10] up, cuz they suck. Well, that would be

[54:13] That would be confusing.

[54:14] >> Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

[54:15] >> [laughter]

[54:16] >> I'm like, "Are we even fighting you

[54:18] Yeah, yeah. Um Yeah, I thought that was

[54:21] That was a very very cool uh scenario.

[54:23] Really cool cinematic. And I love Yeah,

[54:26] I love how it wraps up. And then of

[54:28] course And then, you know, you're so

[54:29] pumped. You're hyped. Everyone is there.

[54:31] They They They like We've reached kind

[54:33] of the gates. We're ready to go. Wait,

[54:35] wait, wait, wait. Do you think

[54:37] Do you think Arator was silently

[54:39] seething when the trolls and the

[54:41] Harbingers turned up? Cuz he was like,

[54:43] "I said elves only."

[54:46] "I This

[54:48] This was supposed to be an elf thing. It

[54:50] was my plan,

[54:51] >> [laughter]

[54:51] >> and I said,

[54:53] it's an elf thing, okay?

[54:55] So,

[54:57] by my father's shield,

[55:00] I SWEAR TO GOD."

[55:01] >> OKAY, GUYS, um I

[55:04] uh But to be fair, thing.

[55:05] >> He did specify in the email it was elves

[55:07] only. It was very clear.

[55:10] Very clear it was going to be elves.

[55:12] >> They're kind of, you know, they're elves

[55:14] way back when, right? Like, they they

[55:16] are

[55:17] >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes, yes.

[55:19] >> Pre-said Pre- What Whatever the opposite

[55:20] of of descendants They're They're

[55:23] They're elves like adjacent, I guess.

[55:25] They're kind of like Yeah, yeah, yeah. I

[55:27] I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I

[55:28] I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I

[55:29] I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I

[55:30] I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I

[55:31] I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I

[55:31] I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I

[55:32] I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I I

[55:33] I I I I I I I I I I I It was so good. I

[55:34] got so pumped. I was at the end. We were

[55:36] at the We're there. We We finished.

[55:37] Everyone's ready, and we're like, "Okay,

[55:39] but now we just have to do this final

[55:40] push."

[55:42] Raid will open in story mode next week.

[55:44] And I was like, "Are you serious?" Why

[55:47] do they do that? Yeah, no. That is very

[55:49] very dumb.

[55:50] >> Why do they do that? What

[55:51] benefit does that Okay, it keeps X

[55:54] number of casual players playing for

[55:57] another week.

[55:58] Yeah.

[55:58] >> Why do you have to do that?

[56:00] >> I I've always defended I've always

[56:01] defended like Blizzard's kind of roll

[56:04] out of LFR and story mode.

[56:06] But in this occasion, I

[56:08] I think it's like a massive [ __ ] I

[56:11] think like with Silvermoon being in so

[56:14] many different phases as the story kind

[56:17] of like You got your opening phase.

[56:19] What? You've technically got your

[56:20] opening phase, which is during the

[56:21] opening scenario. Then you got another

[56:23] phase after the opening scenario, where

[56:25] the skybox is different again. And then

[56:27] you've got

[56:28] after the

[56:29] Void Spire, where

[56:31] the void the skybox is different again.

[56:33] And spoiler, the skybox changes again

[56:36] after March of Quel'Thalas raid.

[56:37] Quel'Thalas.

[56:39] You got four different skyboxes to get

[56:41] through there, and four different like

[56:43] phases of the city. And And like story

[56:46] mode you know, and I love what splitting

[56:48] these raids up has done for the story

[56:50] and for the unfolding of events.

[56:52] >> I really enjoyed the raid roll out. I

[56:53] think it's very cool. I really enjoy

[56:56] playing this way. I like it.

[56:57] >> But,

[56:58] it's insane to me that story mode isn't

[57:00] included in that. Because who cares?

[57:03] Exactly. Who Who Who really wants the

[57:05] cinematics? The people who want to watch

[57:07] the story.

[57:08] >> Precisely. So, look, Like who Like not

[57:10] the hardcore

[57:10] >> I I need to see that [ __ ] because of my

[57:12] job, right? Cuz I don't want to just

[57:13] like take the video off of Wowhead and

[57:15] do my do my analysis that way. Like, I

[57:17] want the context of all the quests and

[57:19] like the things that happen directly

[57:21] afterwards and things like that. I think

[57:22] that's really really important, rather

[57:23] than it just being a reaction or

[57:24] something like that. So, what do I do?

[57:27] I'm forced to go in there and pug it

[57:29] this morning. Um

[57:31] And I'd rather do it with my raid team.

[57:33] But if it was open in story mode, I

[57:35] could go in. I could see the story. I

[57:37] could get everything I need. Um And this

[57:39] is how other players feel as well, I'm

[57:40] sure. Um And then And then I could enjoy

[57:42] going and like doing it at higher level

[57:44] with my with my raid team.

[57:45] >> anything, when you do it in story mode,

[57:47] you can focus on the story if you like.

[57:49] You can You can get the story. Um Which

[57:53] again, even just doing like normal Void

[57:55] Spire, there are bits that We were We

[57:58] were kind of just mopping through it.

[57:59] Like, and that you know, when we got to

[58:02] the Lightbound freaks, who, you know, we

[58:05] have to

[58:06] >> Blinded Vanguard. The Light Blinded

[58:07] Vanguard, yeah. Exactly. That's what I

[58:09] said. And um

[58:11] when we get to them, who I love, like,

[58:14] it wasn't immediately clear why they,

[58:18] you know, people in the I mean, people

[58:19] in the guild were like, "When Why When

[58:22] did that happen?" And so I was like,

[58:23] "Oh, well, in the last fight, you Did

[58:24] you not see that they were kind of going

[58:26] like crazy?" It's like, "No. No, we

[58:28] didn't, cuz we were just kind of

[58:29] focusing on And chatting with your

[58:31] buddies. And chatting, and you know, I

[58:33] really believe there could be some kind

[58:35] of like wider story mode. And again,

[58:38] story It's called story mode. Like, just

[58:40] take me through the whole story, even of

[58:42] the raid, not just the last boss.

[58:44] >> And I There I have never met a single

[58:46] person who's raided in their raid team

[58:48] who's noticed that

[58:51] at the end of the like

[58:53] Blinded Vanguard fight, Alleria jumps

[58:55] into the portal by herself going after

[58:57] Xal'atath. No one sees that, because

[58:59] they are looting. They're going through

[59:01] the loot.

[59:01] >> Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[59:02] >> And they're going like, "Oh, what's

[59:03] dropped? Do I I need on that? I'm going

[59:05] to roll on that." And like, in the

[59:06] meantime, like, Alleria's jumped up into

[59:09] the portal. And so there's always been

[59:11] this thing of like And it's happened

[59:13] every time I've done this raid with with

[59:15] guildies I'm pugging. You go up to the

[59:17] final platform, and Alleria's there

[59:18] like,

[59:19] >> [snorts]

[59:19] >> Yeah. Like, um getting choked out by

[59:21] Xal'atath. And And yeah. And you're

[59:24] like, "Oh, huh. Wait, how did she get up

[59:26] here?"

[59:27] It made me think of that time

[59:30] >> [laughter]

[59:32] >> You just think It's just my I would just

[59:34] I just had fun memories of Astalor Chulk

[59:36] and the in his basement, you know?

[59:39] I was like, "That's a nice throwback."

[59:41] To when Astalor was like

[59:43] >> [laughter]

[59:43] >> Daddy Soul. Yeah. Um yeah, well, me too.

[59:47] Um but like yeah, and and so every time

[59:49] I do that raid, people are like, "Wait,

[59:51] was she here though? Did she get When

[59:52] did she get captured? I don't

[59:53] understand." It's like it's you miss

[59:55] like the important kind of like story

[59:57] bit at the end of like

[59:58] >> I agree completely. I feel like it's

[59:59] still a disjunction. I love that story

[1:00:01] mode exists. I feel like there's still a

[1:00:03] little some bumps in how story is

[1:00:06] conveyed and told kind of through when

[1:00:08] story mode is implemented, when you can

[1:00:10] access it, the way it's you know, it's

[1:00:13] still I'm still not getting a whole

[1:00:16] neat overview, which I would like. I get

[1:00:18] it. Blizzard want to and you know, in in

[1:00:21] many ways I kind of agree with them cuz

[1:00:23] I I believe that like raiding is the

[1:00:25] most aspirational part of the game and I

[1:00:27] think that's good. I think it's good

[1:00:28] that wow has aspirational content and

[1:00:30] raid is like amazing aspirational

[1:00:32] content. Like I only started raiding at

[1:00:34] the end of Warlords

[1:00:36] and but before that I didn't look at

[1:00:39] raiding and go, "Ooh, damn, that thing

[1:00:41] keeps me out." I was like, "Holy [ __ ] I

[1:00:43] don't think I'll ever be able to do it,

[1:00:44] but it would be so cool to go into

[1:00:46] raids, right? It would be so good to see

[1:00:49] all that stuff and the story and like

[1:00:51] you know, be with all those people and

[1:00:53] see all the spell effects go off and

[1:00:54] fight these big bosses and [ __ ] and like

[1:00:56] oh my god, I'll never be able to do it,

[1:00:57] but like one day it would be cool if I

[1:00:59] could."

[1:01:00] >> Yeah. Um and I I that you know, that was

[1:01:01] something that kind of stuck with me all

[1:01:03] the way through the game until I did

[1:01:04] start raiding. And I I get that Blizzard

[1:01:06] want to kind of preserve some kind of

[1:01:09] aspirational content in the game. I

[1:01:10] think I think that's a good thing and

[1:01:13] you know, it's like, "Well, the people

[1:01:14] who do who do raid raid they should be

[1:01:18] able to see it first and it should feel

[1:01:20] special to them when they go in there

[1:01:21] and it's like, "Oh, I'm doing

[1:01:22] something." Cuz that was always one of

[1:01:24] the things about raiding and it was that

[1:01:26] thing of like, "Oh my god, you you you

[1:01:27] actually saw the Lich King get Were you

[1:01:30] there?" And my god, I need I'd love to

[1:01:32] be able to see that. And it's like I get

[1:01:34] that they want to preserve an element of

[1:01:35] that, but they don't. It's failing. It's

[1:01:37] not happening cuz you're just going in

[1:01:39] in stupid little pugs and like you feel

[1:01:41] bad you're still not doing it with your

[1:01:42] raid team and like open the story mode.

[1:01:46] You know, it's fine. Like

[1:01:48] do the story mode as the raid opens. Let

[1:01:51] people who want to see the story go in

[1:01:52] there and see the story and and this is

[1:01:55] the first time I've been on this side of

[1:01:56] the argument, by the way. I've always

[1:01:58] been like, "I think it's fine the story

[1:02:00] mode comes out a little bit later." But

[1:02:02] in in this one with there being so many

[1:02:04] steps of the story, which I think is

[1:02:05] brilliant because of the raid roll out

[1:02:07] and I love that and because I am someone

[1:02:09] that can go in and complete normal raid

[1:02:11] in the first week, you know, I've been

[1:02:13] able to enjoy it like I'm supposed to.

[1:02:15] But people who can't, it must be really

[1:02:17] frustrating and annoying and maybe even

[1:02:20] quite anxious and quite you know, if

[1:02:22] it's something you care about and and

[1:02:23] you don't want to get spoiled and stuff

[1:02:25] and like just open the open the damn

[1:02:27] story mode, man. Yeah. I'm with you.

[1:02:29] Yeah. One thing that I do like

[1:02:31] storytelling-wise is how the delves kind

[1:02:33] of fit into things. Like we got

[1:02:35] Parhelion Plaza, the Parhelion Plaza

[1:02:38] delve, which I did right away cuz I was

[1:02:40] there and I couldn't do the raid.

[1:02:43] You know what I mean? I'm like, "Well,

[1:02:44] here here I am."

[1:02:45] >> Yeah, yeah. I guess I you know, and like

[1:02:48] many other people, I flew to the door

[1:02:52] which did not have a swirly delve

[1:02:54] entrance.

[1:02:54] >> I I went and then I laughed at you but

[1:02:56] then I went there later. Of course you

[1:02:58] did. I What I'm going to do after this

[1:03:00] after this

[1:03:02] I'm going to go back to that door and

[1:03:05] I'm going to I'm going to film it. I'm

[1:03:07] going to like screen capture it and I'm

[1:03:08] going to just stand there and I'm going

[1:03:10] to leave it on for 24 hours and it's

[1:03:11] going to be like one of those nature

[1:03:12] documentaries. You know, when they leave

[1:03:14] like some food out or they leave like a

[1:03:15] pretend female pigeon out and see all

[1:03:17] the other pigeons coming and [ __ ] it or

[1:03:18] something. Like and like it's going to

[1:03:20] it's going to be like I'll speed it up

[1:03:21] and you're going to see people coming to

[1:03:22] the door and [ __ ] off again. They're

[1:03:23] coming to the door and [ __ ] off

[1:03:24] again.

[1:03:25] It's going to be like I did that. I

[1:03:25] stood there for a bit. I watched other

[1:03:27] people stand there and go

[1:03:29] you know, and like it was

[1:03:30] >> [laughter]

[1:03:31] >> it was cute. And then yeah, of course

[1:03:32] the entrance is like in and you go down.

[1:03:34] But I like

[1:03:35] I I enjoyed that delve cuz I like how

[1:03:38] it's literally just that bit of

[1:03:41] Quel'Danas.

[1:03:43] And Oh, sure. Like in the intro

[1:03:45] scenario.

[1:03:45] >> in the intro scenario. You're just I

[1:03:47] haven't done that one yet. It's really

[1:03:47] cool. You're just there and you're

[1:03:49] fighting void guys and you're putting up

[1:03:51] arcane bullwarks.

[1:03:52] >> Cool. Bull bullwark I don't know how to

[1:03:54] pronounce it.

[1:03:54] >> Bullwarks. Bull bullwark.

[1:03:56] >> Arcane bullwark. Arcane bullwarks. Yeah,

[1:03:58] exactly. Yeah. So um

[1:04:00] >> [laughter]

[1:04:02] >> Uh I really I really enjoyed that. I

[1:04:04] thought that was um

[1:04:06] that was fun and that kind of scratched

[1:04:08] the itch a little bit for me since I

[1:04:10] couldn't actually just go in and do the

[1:04:11] raid. And it was only like an hour until

[1:04:13] podcast. I'm like, "I cannot

[1:04:14] >> could get you could do the raid.

[1:04:15] >> pug it in the raid. Well, I'm going to

[1:04:16] have to pug it in the story mode. My

[1:04:17] gear is stacked, obviously. I'm like 268

[1:04:20] or something. So I get and I'm a healer,

[1:04:22] so I get accepted into any [ __ ] pug.

[1:04:23] >> you did. Yeah. Um today Today.

[1:04:26] >> But only today because like otherwise

[1:04:28] you're going to need to have the

[1:04:29] achieve. I I agree. So I'll pug it today

[1:04:32] um which is a shame cuz our guild's like

[1:04:35] casual runs are on Tuesday. I can't wait

[1:04:37] until I can't wait until Tuesday.

[1:04:39] >> [laughter]

[1:04:41] >> Anyway. Yeah, and it's great that there

[1:04:43] is so much story in the raid. It's great

[1:04:44] that they have all these different like

[1:04:46] stages of the story and I think I've I

[1:04:48] think the story has been great in this

[1:04:50] opening patch. I think that like I can I

[1:04:52] can say Well, there's still another

[1:04:53] chapter to go. But this opening patch of

[1:04:55] Midnight has been brilliant. I like it.

[1:04:57] It's What a great expansion. What a

[1:04:58] fantastic time. I've had such a good

[1:05:00] time, actually. I think there's been

[1:05:02] there's been loads of fun storytelling.

[1:05:05] There's been I there's been enough time

[1:05:07] for me to kind of complete the campaign

[1:05:10] like

[1:05:11] like stories and really get a feel for

[1:05:13] each zone and really kind of fall in

[1:05:14] love with all of them. Yeah, and then

[1:05:16] the kind of the gradual roll out with

[1:05:18] the raids attached. It has felt special

[1:05:20] and meaningful and then like yeah.

[1:05:21] >> cool. It has felt really good. I really

[1:05:25] like how they've they've split up the

[1:05:26] raids, actually, cuz I wasn't sure how

[1:05:28] that was going to feel.

[1:05:30] Um I'm not sure how the like you know,

[1:05:33] the the world first raiders are feeling.

[1:05:35] My understanding is that there's you

[1:05:36] know, there's a bit of downtime here and

[1:05:37] there.

[1:05:39] Well, now now they're in there and it's

[1:05:41] like

[1:05:42] >> now they're back in.

[1:05:43] But you know,

[1:05:45] you know, I follow I yeah on Instagram

[1:05:46] and she's like she's just pumping the

[1:05:48] like Oh my god, my heart goes out to

[1:05:52] those poor poor casters. Every time I

[1:05:55] turn on What? Not today cuz they're

[1:05:57] like, "Oh my god, actually some some

[1:05:58] raiding to talk about." But like this

[1:06:00] whole past week, every time I switched

[1:06:02] on, it's like especially poor Cruella is

[1:06:04] there. Cruella's there like that. And

[1:06:07] like generally people are like

[1:06:09] trying to keep it friendly and like

[1:06:11] trying to keep it high energy and but

[1:06:13] they're flagging and Cruella does not

[1:06:15] give a [ __ ] Cruella's all like that.

[1:06:17] What the [ __ ]

[1:06:19] >> [laughter]

[1:06:19] >> What am I doing here? What what am I

[1:06:21] doing here? That is that's not a very

[1:06:23] good French accent. Uh

[1:06:26] take it up with Cruella cuz it sounds

[1:06:27] exactly like her voice. Uh but yeah, so

[1:06:29] I I and and and but yeah, I'm watching

[1:06:31] kind of I know's videos and she's like,

[1:06:32] "A day in the life of casting and doing

[1:06:35] stuff you know, with with Team Liquid

[1:06:37] and it's like we've had a bit of

[1:06:39] downtime. So we've had to come up with

[1:06:42] entertaining segments." I know. It's

[1:06:44] like oh Oh god. Oh no. Oh no.

[1:06:47] It's like the weekly reset, you know.

[1:06:48] You can't talk about the weekly reset.

[1:06:49] [laughter]

[1:06:50] It's not easy.

[1:06:51] But yeah, so uh you know, maybe not

[1:06:53] ideal for like that specific scenario,

[1:06:56] but for me as a player, I really really

[1:06:59] enjoyed this roll out with the raids. I

[1:07:01] think it's been great.

[1:07:02] Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Right. So is it

[1:07:04] time

[1:07:06] Is it time to talk

[1:07:07] >> Uh well, okay. Um I'm just going to have

[1:07:08] to write something

[1:07:10] uh

[1:07:11] Oh, very good. So now

[1:07:14] it is it is time to discuss

[1:07:17] the cinematic that comes at the end

[1:07:20] of the March on Quel'Danas because it

[1:07:22] has

[1:07:24] it has I pugged it. I went in there. I I

[1:07:28] actually watched a couple of videos with

[1:07:31] like tactics as well because I don't

[1:07:32] want to let anyone down in a pug. So I

[1:07:34] went in there and my raid team and it

[1:07:35] was [ __ ] So I I I went in there and

[1:07:39] it's a

[1:07:40] it's a fun little raid, I've got to say.

[1:07:42] I mean, it was so easy. Like so easy on

[1:07:45] normal. But of course it would be cuz

[1:07:46] I'm heroic geared. Like I've just I've

[1:07:48] just come off a week of doing like plus

[1:07:49] 10s and 11s and mythic plus. Of course

[1:07:51] I'm like very geared.

[1:07:53] Um and so we brute forced our way

[1:07:55] through the two bosses. Each boss took

[1:07:57] two pulls. The Phoenix boss is great.

[1:08:00] Oh, I'm really looking forward to doing

[1:08:02] that on heroic

[1:08:03] and and indeed mythic maybe at some

[1:08:05] point as well because like I mean, I've

[1:08:07] been saying this for months now, but I I

[1:08:08] think I'm being proven right.

[1:08:10] If Immortalis Argent Dawn EU was ever

[1:08:12] going to get cutting edge, this is the

[1:08:14] [ __ ] tier.

[1:08:15] >> [laughter]

[1:08:16] >> Like

[1:08:17] I was like look, with how simple the

[1:08:19] classes are, how simple the mechanics

[1:08:21] are going to be because everyone's like

[1:08:23] everyone at Blizzard is [ __ ]

[1:08:24] themselves that everyone's going to be

[1:08:25] so upset that they can't use their weak

[1:08:27] auras that they've they've scaled stuff

[1:08:28] back and they've gone a little bit too

[1:08:29] far with class simplicity and with

[1:08:31] mechanics and and tuning, I think.

[1:08:34] But I think they've done that on

[1:08:35] purpose. I think it's a thing of like

[1:08:37] better to scale it back too far than not

[1:08:38] enough and have people be like, "See, I

[1:08:40] told you it was impossible without

[1:08:41] add-ons." Like

[1:08:43] so I you know, hopefully fingers crossed

[1:08:47] the proof of the pudding will be in

[1:08:49] point one where hopefully they'll start

[1:08:52] bringing back some some more complexity

[1:08:54] to the classes and to the to the fights

[1:08:55] and stuff like that. But okay, you know,

[1:08:57] exactly. But I It's a good starting

[1:08:58] point. I think it was a good cool for me

[1:09:00] months ago to say this was the season to

[1:09:03] get cutting edge if you you haven't done

[1:09:04] it before and you want to like like our

[1:09:05] raid team.

[1:09:07] So we went in and the Phoenix boss is

[1:09:08] really good. It's like

[1:09:10] your whole raid team gets turned into

[1:09:12] either void or light and then all the

[1:09:14] mechanics that drop are either void

[1:09:16] mechanics or light mechanics and it's

[1:09:18] like the light people want to deal with

[1:09:19] the light mechanics and the void people

[1:09:20] want to deal with the void mechanics and

[1:09:22] it's fun. It's just good. And then and

[1:09:23] then there's a bit where you swap and

[1:09:25] half of don't realize you you've swapped

[1:09:26] and they'll die.

[1:09:28] Um and it's cool. And yeah, it's it's

[1:09:30] it's it's fun fight. I like that. And

[1:09:31] then the uh the the final fight

[1:09:34] um much has been made of like the kind

[1:09:36] of Final Fantasy XIV style

[1:09:39] um mechanic where she shows like three

[1:09:42] symbols in a row and then those symbols

[1:09:45] get given to players and they have to

[1:09:47] line up in the order in which she showed

[1:09:50] them. Oh. Uh-oh.

[1:09:53] >> Um and

[1:09:54] like so if you if you miss it, then and

[1:09:57] you know, it

[1:09:58] it's easy to deal with. It just needs

[1:10:00] someone to be watching for it and to

[1:10:02] have an agreed-upon like

[1:10:04] name for each symbol within the team.

[1:10:06] And then it will always be someone's job

[1:10:08] to say the order that the people need to

[1:10:09] stand in, right? And that's easy. Like

[1:10:11] mechanic solved. Um

[1:10:14] and in normal you have so much time to

[1:10:16] to line up. And then and then she does

[1:10:18] like a kind of a a line that goes around

[1:10:20] in a circle and you have to hit them in

[1:10:22] the right order. Oh, I like that.

[1:10:25] And we failed a couple times and we just

[1:10:26] healed through it, but it was still a

[1:10:27] pain. Um and then some other mechanics

[1:10:29] as well, but we you know, I pretty much

[1:10:31] YOLO'd that one and and completed it.

[1:10:33] And

[1:10:36] then I had already seen the cinematic.

[1:10:39] And I was thinking maybe

[1:10:42] maybe you feel the same thing. We'll

[1:10:44] talk about the cinematic any second now,

[1:10:45] but like when I watched that cinematic,

[1:10:47] I was like

[1:10:48] there must be like some dialogue that

[1:10:52] happens before that cinematic starts in

[1:10:54] the fight. Like you kill the boss and

[1:10:56] then the boss says something or

[1:10:57] something happens and then but no, you

[1:11:00] kill the boss and the cinematic just

[1:11:01] plays straight up.

[1:11:03] Um which is a bit jarring because kind

[1:11:06] of doesn't make sense. Oh, and before

[1:11:08] you start the Lura fight, oh, this is a

[1:11:09] really cool thing where she like

[1:11:11] zaps Alleria

[1:11:13] and she's all like "Oh, your mommy hates

[1:11:15] you." And blah blah. And and then he's

[1:11:17] all like "Oh, no, mommy." And then she

[1:11:19] zaps

[1:11:21] uh Verisa Verisa Alleria.

[1:11:23] Windrunner. Verisa. Verisa. She zaps

[1:11:26] Verisa and she's like uh "Oh, your

[1:11:28] sisters all hate you. You suck." And

[1:11:29] she's like "Oh, my sisters."

[1:11:31] Um and and that you know, takes them out

[1:11:33] of the fight that way. Which I think's

[1:11:34] fun because usually what they do is they

[1:11:36] just go "For some reason you're floating

[1:11:37] and you can't join in this fight,

[1:11:39] right?" But it's good that she like Lura

[1:11:41] did some kind of weird stuff, right? Um

[1:11:43] and then like um and then the and then

[1:11:46] you you kill Lura

[1:11:48] and you go into the Dark Well for the

[1:11:50] final part of the fight, which is really

[1:11:51] really cool. Kind of like going into the

[1:11:52] Dark Heart. It's I mean that looks

[1:11:54] exactly like it. The Dark Heart actually

[1:11:56] changed. Um

[1:11:57] uh and then you kill Lura and then the

[1:11:58] cinematic plays. And

[1:12:00] now

[1:12:01] super Red Bot Spoiler Bot, cuz we are

[1:12:04] talking about this cinematic.

[1:12:06] >> I I tried to have him in my head

[1:12:07] earlier but

[1:12:09] he just focused away from my eyes, but

[1:12:10] That's right. Just put him out. Yeah.

[1:12:12] >> Yeah, so he was bum.

[1:12:14] What is I've been thinking about and and

[1:12:17] starting to draft like cinematic

[1:12:18] analysis. What is your reaction to this

[1:12:21] cinematic?

[1:12:23] Right. So, um

[1:12:25] the first time I saw

[1:12:26] >> Before we start talking about this, I

[1:12:28] just want to remind everyone of when I

[1:12:30] was saying that Midnight is brilliant.

[1:12:31] Yeah.

[1:12:32] >> [laughter]

[1:12:32] >> And how much I really enjoyed Midnight.

[1:12:34] >> Midnight.

[1:12:35] >> Yeah, okay, good. Now now you can talk

[1:12:36] about it, yeah. Um

[1:12:39] I I I you know,

[1:12:40] I I think I wasn't surprised that it

[1:12:43] happened.

[1:12:44] Um but still when it happened, it made

[1:12:47] me go

[1:12:49] uh

[1:12:52] So, what happens is, right?

[1:12:56] >> [laughter]

[1:12:56] >> Zal'atath is there.

[1:12:58] >> Zal'atath. And Alleria

[1:12:59] Alleria and

[1:13:01] Verisa Verisa are on their knees.

[1:13:04] I don't know why the [ __ ] they're there,

[1:13:05] cuz they took no no part in the fight at

[1:13:08] all, but okay, fine, they're there. And

[1:13:10] actually that's really weird because

[1:13:11] it's like they're not in the fight. Oh.

[1:13:14] >> They're there. They're there. And so

[1:13:16] okay, fine, whatever, right? And and

[1:13:18] like then

[1:13:19] Zal'atath turns up and she's like

[1:13:23] "Now I'm going to kill you. You suck."

[1:13:25] And like she's about to kill them.

[1:13:26] >> "You Windrunners just don't know when to

[1:13:29] die."

[1:13:30] >> Yeah, and and but she's saying it in

[1:13:31] like a triumphant way because she's

[1:13:32] about to kill the Windrunners, right?

[1:13:34] But then

[1:13:35] black

[1:13:36] arrow whizzes through the air.

[1:13:40] And

[1:13:40] >> And it yeah, and it fires it's finally

[1:13:42] getting

[1:13:43] >> Yeah, finally getting my shot in. That's

[1:13:44] my shot coming all the way

[1:13:45] >> long it takes to cast aimed shot these

[1:13:48] days. That's my shot coming all the way

[1:13:50] from Void's fire.

[1:13:52] >> [laughter]

[1:13:52] >> That one that missed.

[1:13:55] I I wasn't aiming for you. And and and

[1:13:57] and it it pops pops one of her sha-

[1:14:00] shadow orbs. One of her shoulder orbs.

[1:14:02] Just popped it like a balloon.

[1:14:04] I guess it's pretty bad. IT GOES

[1:14:06] LIKE THAT.

[1:14:10] WAIT, SORRY. REWIND. NO, I just thought

[1:14:13] I was like she's only she only has one

[1:14:14] ball now. [laughter]

[1:14:17] I thought that would be like her thing.

[1:14:18] She's just asymmetrical.

[1:14:20] >> No. No. No, it it it goes back in the

[1:14:22] cinematic. Like um yeah. So, then then

[1:14:25] it pops her it pops her shoulder thing.

[1:14:28] And people are going to think I'm

[1:14:30] telling an April Fools' joke right now.

[1:14:32] And

[1:14:34] through the portal, a dark portal that's

[1:14:36] just opened up in in the room,

[1:14:39] is not us who've just been fighting Lura

[1:14:41] to save the day. It's

[1:14:44] Sylvanas.

[1:14:46] It's Sylvanas Windrunner.

[1:14:48] And the Banshee Queen herself.

[1:14:50] >> And I went oh, no. Yeah, I and I went

[1:14:54] and and I think there's also I you know,

[1:14:58] I have to say throughout the course of

[1:15:00] this cinematic, I warmed up to it and I

[1:15:02] rolled with it, but the initial um

[1:15:06] you know, reveal and I was like ooh, I

[1:15:09] was like that's a lot. That's a lot. Um

[1:15:13] uh and she comes out and it just really

[1:15:16] in a good way, it really reinforced to

[1:15:17] me how utterly campy Sylvanas is. And

[1:15:21] she's always been that way. She's always

[1:15:24] been that way. When she comes out and

[1:15:26] like the way she's animated, like she

[1:15:28] doesn't move her upper lip at all. And

[1:15:30] she's like

[1:15:31] >> [laughter]

[1:15:32] >> "I have come back." And I'm like oh

[1:15:35] Please please please I your

[1:15:38] your Sylvanas impression is reminding me

[1:15:39] of Shadowlands. And okay, it's fine.

[1:15:42] It's fine. Okay, well, no, look. So, she

[1:15:44] comes back and uh

[1:15:48] Zal'atath is like

[1:15:51] "I don't want to do this right now." And

[1:15:53] she really isn't. And like I I do like I

[1:15:55] do like Zal'atath's line where she's

[1:15:56] like "Huh. I honestly didn't factor this

[1:15:59] in." Like do you know what? I honestly

[1:16:02] didn't think of this.

[1:16:03] "Okay. Huh. [ __ ] you. Okay."

[1:16:06] >> [laughter]

[1:16:06] >> It's like well, I've already won, so I

[1:16:07] guess I don't know why she was like I

[1:16:09] will deal with this later. But like you

[1:16:11] can you can tell Zal'atath's thinking

[1:16:13] the same thing as me which is like

[1:16:16] you should have come like 5 minutes ago

[1:16:18] when it would have mattered. Why didn't

[1:16:20] you You might have stopped us. Yeah. But

[1:16:23] you didn't. So I'm just going to go and

[1:16:25] do the thing that I agree I was I mean

[1:16:27] I've won.

[1:16:29] Did you not

[1:16:30] We're going down into the Okay, bye.

[1:16:32] And then my my my favorite thing about

[1:16:35] this cinematic and you know, Sylvanas is

[1:16:38] there and Alleria and

[1:16:41] Verisa. And I love I love the way

[1:16:44] Verisa's animated. I love her facial

[1:16:46] expressions. They really make her look

[1:16:47] like you know, she takes a moment and

[1:16:50] she's like looking at Sylvanas.

[1:16:52] >> Yeah, best bit in the cinematic.

[1:16:53] >> It's really good and she looks like

[1:16:54] she's going to throw a punch at her.

[1:16:56] Like she's ready to just lay the smack

[1:16:58] down.

[1:16:59] >> they very much animate her drawing her

[1:17:00] fist back as well.

[1:17:02] Um but she instead she throws herself at

[1:17:05] Sylvanas. And I actually loved that. I

[1:17:07] thought that was like such a

[1:17:10] it was just a really lovely moment. And

[1:17:12] Sylvanas in her like goofy Banshee Queen

[1:17:16] kind of stoicness is there. And uh

[1:17:18] Verisa is like, you know, it's her big

[1:17:20] sister. You know, I thought I thought it

[1:17:23] was it was really I I loved her like

[1:17:26] animations and her expressions. I

[1:17:27] thought I thought that was really really

[1:17:29] lovely. Um and then of course everyone's

[1:17:32] like okay,

[1:17:33] what is Sylvanas doing here? How did she

[1:17:36] get out of the Maw? Hi. And they're like

[1:17:39] [laughter] "Hey." And she's like "Oh,

[1:17:40] yeah, actually, you know,

[1:17:42] you I mean yeah, you can actually get

[1:17:43] out. Comes with a price. No don't know

[1:17:45] what it is. I paid the price, but I did

[1:17:47] get out.

[1:17:49] I didn't really do anything. I did just

[1:17:50] shoot I did pop one of Zal'atath's

[1:17:52] balls. That's okay, you know." Yeah.

[1:17:53] Well, I mean she's she's saving

[1:17:55] uh

[1:17:56] Verisa Alleria and Alleria, right?

[1:18:00] Verisa. And sorry, I'm going to until

[1:18:02] the day I die, man. She saved she saved

[1:18:04] them. But then when she's like yeah,

[1:18:06] exa- Well, no. So, there's this really

[1:18:08] great moment between them, the sisters.

[1:18:10] And then Alleria's there like "I thought

[1:18:13] you couldn't leave the Maw." And he's

[1:18:15] like "Shut the [ __ ] up."

[1:18:17] >> Shut up, nephew. I was like

[1:18:20] like his tone was just way off, man. It

[1:18:23] was just like a bad vibe. There's a way

[1:18:25] of delivering that line. No.

[1:18:27] >> But it was not that. It was not like

[1:18:30] >> [laughter]

[1:18:31] >> Right? Hated that. Hated it. Alleria is

[1:18:34] a sensitive guy, but he's also a blunt

[1:18:36] instrument. Like he That's just That's

[1:18:38] That's how he is. He's not the funny

[1:18:41] guy. He's not the witty guy. He's like

[1:18:44] he has

[1:18:45] >> Oh, he is the witty guy. He the I said

[1:18:46] witty guy.

[1:18:47] >> Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, um so he's you

[1:18:49] know, he has a sense of right and wrong

[1:18:52] and a big like sword he wants to hit

[1:18:55] people with, you know? He's So, his his

[1:18:58] his sensitivity has its limits. Um so

[1:19:01] yeah, and and Sylvanas is

[1:19:05] uh you know,

[1:19:06] uh Patty Patty Mattson is like

[1:19:09] absolutely hamming it up for her and

[1:19:11] like really so. super leaning into

[1:19:15] Sylvanas mode here. Um

[1:19:17] uh and uh and yeah, and she's and then

[1:19:20] you know, she's here and she just

[1:19:22] decides to drop give us a few little

[1:19:25] nuggets. Well, okay, so the first thing

[1:19:27] she says first thing she says is like,

[1:19:28] "Well, nephew I do like that line where

[1:19:29] she's like, well, nephew I can, but it

[1:19:32] takes its toll." I thought she delivered

[1:19:34] that line beautifully and the animation

[1:19:35] on the face was beautiful when she said

[1:19:37] that. She just seemed very tired and I

[1:19:39] loved that. I thought that was a really

[1:19:40] good characterization of her and it was

[1:19:42] really cool. But like, um, and she's

[1:19:44] like, you know,

[1:19:45] "You said that Silvermoon was in danger

[1:19:47] and that it would need Mhm. its Ranger

[1:19:50] General one last time."

[1:19:52] >> last time. And I'm like, yeah, no, but I

[1:19:54] take issue with that, okay? Because she

[1:19:56] didn't help. No. Like, she saved her

[1:19:59] sister and Arator, yes, awesome, great.

[1:20:02] But like, she didn't help with the

[1:20:04] defense of Silvermoon.

[1:20:05] >> Maybe it was a Ranger General we

[1:20:06] wouldn't have lost. Maybe it'll turn out

[1:20:08] that she was there just like pew-pewing

[1:20:10] from the back.

[1:20:11] >> know, maybe. I don't know. I'm with you.

[1:20:13] >> I don't know. I think it'd be much

[1:20:14] better if she arrived during the fight.

[1:20:17] >> I'm with you.

[1:20:17] >> If like if if like part of the Lura

[1:20:19] fight she'd like appeared out of the

[1:20:20] portal and helped then or any point. But

[1:20:23] like to be like, "Oh, I heard you guys

[1:20:25] needed your Ranger General." It's like,

[1:20:27] yeah, we did. Where the [ __ ] were you?

[1:20:28] Yeah.

[1:20:29] >> Like, she wasn't there. She didn't help.

[1:20:31] She saved She saved two people, but she

[1:20:34] didn't help in the fight. No, you're

[1:20:36] right.

[1:20:37] >> Like, she didn't help in the the like

[1:20:39] the march. She didn't help in the

[1:20:41] battle.

[1:20:41] >> Yeah.

[1:20:42] >> Like, But it does seem like she can only

[1:20:44] really be there briefly. She can appear.

[1:20:46] For sure, for sure. Okay, but And then

[1:20:48] she she literally goes, right? Wait,

[1:20:50] like she was like, "That's fine, but

[1:20:51] don't act like don't like you were there

[1:20:52] then."

[1:20:53] >> Yeah, but well, you know, she came to

[1:20:54] help.

[1:20:55] >> needed your Ranger General one last

[1:20:56] time. It would have been nice, Sylvanas.

[1:20:58] Yeah man.

[1:20:58] >> Yeah, yeah, okay. I get I get I get your

[1:21:00] kind of issue with that, though. And

[1:21:02] then,

[1:21:03] you know, and then she's like, "Well,

[1:21:06] all is not as it seems in the

[1:21:08] Shadowlands."

[1:21:10] >> is the thing everyone wants to talk

[1:21:11] about, okay? And we're like, huh? And

[1:21:13] then and everyone's like, "Oh, no, she

[1:21:15] said it she said the she said the

[1:21:17] words."

[1:21:18] Okay, so what this does is, right? So,

[1:21:21] obviously you remember the Arator quests

[1:21:23] at the end of the War Within where you

[1:21:25] go to the Shadowlands and Sylvanas plays

[1:21:27] her harp. And I love those quests. I

[1:21:29] thought they were really really good. I

[1:21:29] thought those were very cool. And she's

[1:21:31] got a line in that which we never

[1:21:33] actually made a video out of at the end

[1:21:35] cuz I got a feeling I was going to be

[1:21:36] able to do it later and here we are.

[1:21:38] Uh, where she's like,

[1:21:40] "There is something wrong with the

[1:21:42] Shadowlands.

[1:21:44] It is too ordered, too And we've talked

[1:21:46] a lot about this on stream. Uh, but and

[1:21:49] you know, it was like, "Well, is this

[1:21:49] going to be something they deal with now

[1:21:51] or is it coming later or something like

[1:21:52] that?" And it's very much something

[1:21:54] they're going to be doing now, clearly.

[1:21:56] Uh, because yes, she she brings it to

[1:21:58] the foreground

[1:22:00] where she's like, "Oh, and there's that

[1:22:02] other line in in uh, K'aresh where um,

[1:22:06] what's her name? Who's the brilliant uh,

[1:22:08] Ethereal in K'aresh that we all love who

[1:22:10] was in the mall? Venari.

[1:22:11] >> Venari's like, "I have been to the

[1:22:13] Shadowlands. I know what it is you

[1:22:16] fear." Yeah. Zaladormu, right? She's a

[1:22:18] cool dude. Yeah, and all that stuff. And

[1:22:19] And like And so, what Sylvanas is saying

[1:22:22] here, where she's like, "I've got to get

[1:22:24] to the truth of the Shadowlands. It's

[1:22:26] not what it seems, etc." This is like

[1:22:28] very much putting that front and center

[1:22:31] now. So, it's it's it's going to be a

[1:22:32] main thing, right?

[1:22:34] Uh, which which okay, cool. So, here we

[1:22:36] are. Let's talk about what that means.

[1:22:37] And obviously, I'm going to be talking

[1:22:38] about it a lot in the cinematic

[1:22:40] analysis. Going to take up the bulk of

[1:22:41] the cinematic analysis, probably.

[1:22:43] Um but

[1:22:45] what do you think it means, Evie?

[1:22:49] I mean, there is a hint that the

[1:22:53] Shadowlands is just a place created by

[1:22:56] the

[1:22:58] Titans or whatever. Right.

[1:23:00] >> Exactly. This world is a prison.

[1:23:02] >> Yeah. The Shadowlands are a prison.

[1:23:03] Yeah. Right. In a In In In a In a

[1:23:05] nutshell. That's been kind of like the

[1:23:07] the going theory.

[1:23:09] >> Exactly. And I don't want to get into it

[1:23:10] too much cuz we'll get into it deep in

[1:23:12] uh, cuz I don't think we've ever done a

[1:23:13] main channel video on something like

[1:23:15] something we've done something we've

[1:23:16] done we've done a lot of on stream and

[1:23:17] and therefore on the second channel a

[1:23:18] bit. Uh, but

[1:23:20] >> Um,

[1:23:21] I will go into a lot of detail on it,

[1:23:23] but

[1:23:24] for now, just so I can tell you where

[1:23:27] we're at. Mhm. Um, people are going to

[1:23:29] call this and have been calling it for

[1:23:31] since that original Sylvanas quest

[1:23:33] that we were just talking about, the

[1:23:36] reconning of Shadowlands.

[1:23:38] >> Mhm.

[1:23:39] Um, this idea and the idea of reconning

[1:23:42] Shadowlands has always been very popular

[1:23:43] ever since everyone hated Shadowlands.

[1:23:44] They were like, "Can we just recon the

[1:23:45] [ __ ] out of this and pretend it never

[1:23:46] happened?" And Blizzard have never done

[1:23:48] that. They've always kind of leaned into

[1:23:49] Shadowlands in a way that I kind of

[1:23:51] respect, right? Not not making it very

[1:23:53] like relevant, but very much kind of

[1:23:55] keeping it there in a thing. Um, and

[1:23:58] then Sylvanas' line like, "It's too

[1:24:00] ordered."

[1:24:01] which definitely suggests something to

[1:24:03] do with Titans and stuff like that,

[1:24:04] obviously. So, here's my take on that.

[1:24:07] Um,

[1:24:09] one,

[1:24:10] the reconning of Shadowlands.

[1:24:11] >> Mhm. My take on this is that

[1:24:14] the recontextualization that they appear

[1:24:17] to be leaning in towards Shadowlands is

[1:24:20] less a recon

[1:24:22] and actually

[1:24:25] changing something that was a recon to

[1:24:27] be more like it was in the first place.

[1:24:30] So, it's almost like a reverse recon. I

[1:24:32] don't like calling it a recon cuz it's

[1:24:34] like Oh, sure.

[1:24:35] >> It's it's a restoration

[1:24:37] >> Yeah. as it were.

[1:24:38] >> A reconciliation.

[1:24:40] >> Exactly.

[1:24:40] >> yeah. So, so my take is this, right? And

[1:24:44] I said this in the build-up to the

[1:24:45] Shadowlands expansion, which I was

[1:24:46] excited about when they announced it,

[1:24:48] but like before they announced it and

[1:24:50] everyone was going, "What do you think

[1:24:51] of a Shadowlands expansion, Taliesin?" I

[1:24:53] was like, "I think that's a [ __ ]

[1:24:54] terrible idea." Because the Shadowlands

[1:24:57] is just like a death version of the

[1:25:01] Emerald Dream. As in, it is a recreation

[1:25:04] of it it's Azeroth, but a different like

[1:25:07] phase of Azeroth, basically. That's what

[1:25:09] the Emerald Dream is for life and

[1:25:11] Shadowlands is that for death. So, like

[1:25:14] >> It's where you go when you're a wisp,

[1:25:15] right?

[1:25:15] >> Exactly. So, if you are going to do an

[1:25:17] expansion set in the Shadowlands, you're

[1:25:19] going to have to do the expansion stuff.

[1:25:20] You're going to going to give it

[1:25:21] different zones with different

[1:25:22] aesthetics and different characters and

[1:25:25] societies and hierarchical structures

[1:25:28] and rules. And it's like, no one wants

[1:25:30] that in the Shadowlands. You're like,

[1:25:31] you're you're forcing stuff into the

[1:25:33] Shadowlands which it just isn't. Like,

[1:25:35] it's just like a [ __ ] ghosty Emerald

[1:25:37] Dream, okay? Keep it like that. That's

[1:25:39] what it is. Think of something else to

[1:25:41] do an expansion on. And lo and behold.

[1:25:43] Um so

[1:25:45] the mere existence of the Shadowlands

[1:25:47] expansion was the recon. Sure. The whole

[1:25:50] there's a million different realms and

[1:25:52] this realm does that and this realm does

[1:25:53] that. And also, everything from the

[1:25:55] Great Dark Beyond comes here when they

[1:25:57] die.

[1:25:58] And also, this And the biggest recon of

[1:26:00] all was the Shadowlands is the realm of

[1:26:03] death. Yes.

[1:26:04] >> Shadowlands is not the realm of death.

[1:26:06] You only have to look and I I've been

[1:26:08] beating this drum since Shadowlands,

[1:26:10] okay?

[1:26:11] And people were like, "Taliesin, stop

[1:26:13] beating this drum."

[1:26:14] But I'm going to be proven right, okay?

[1:26:17] >> He just loves to beat it.

[1:26:18] >> I I I love beating it. Every day. That's

[1:26:21] why one arm is so big. And you only have

[1:26:24] to look at Chronicle. The Shadowlands is

[1:26:26] shown as being part of the Great Dark

[1:26:28] Beyond. It is part of our reality. It's

[1:26:31] obviously death realm adjacent, but it's

[1:26:33] not part of the death realm.

[1:26:34] >> Why don't we have just like a giant

[1:26:36] poster of the Chronicle like map?

[1:26:37] >> Yeah, we we should, actually. Um, it's

[1:26:39] [laughter] not the Shadowlands in

[1:26:40] Chronicle and in the way it was always

[1:26:42] presented in game was not part of the

[1:26:44] death realm. Making it part of like just

[1:26:47] as the Emerald Dream is not part of the

[1:26:48] life realm. They are part of our reality

[1:26:50] and they are reflections of Azeroth in

[1:26:52] different states, both of them. Um, and

[1:26:55] Shadowlands reconned that to make the

[1:26:57] Shadowlands expansion happen. Where I

[1:27:00] think they're going with this story

[1:27:01] right now is they are reconning the

[1:27:02] recon. And they're going, "Oh,

[1:27:05] don't you wonder why the Shadowlands are

[1:27:06] so weird?"

[1:27:07] >> Mhm. Well, that's because it's not the

[1:27:09] realm of death. It's a [ __ ] Titan

[1:27:11] construct just like the [ __ ] Emerald

[1:27:13] Dream is, okay? So, like, yes. They're

[1:27:17] actually They're They're They're putting

[1:27:19] the lore back to what it was before and

[1:27:21] they're going, "Oh, the actual realm of

[1:27:23] death? No, we've never actually been

[1:27:24] there." So, all that [ __ ] that happened

[1:27:25] like the Shadowlands, yeah, it's just a

[1:27:27] weird Titan thing. And yes, that,

[1:27:29] please. That works better. No, people

[1:27:31] saying that's messy? No, that's good,

[1:27:33] actually. That actually like this is a

[1:27:35] very If this is what they're doing and

[1:27:36] it looks certain that they are to me,

[1:27:38] this is very good cuz Shadowlands lore

[1:27:41] is messy. The stuff that they tried to

[1:27:43] turn Shadowlands into is messy and

[1:27:45] doesn't make sense. Recontextualizing it

[1:27:47] as what it always was in the first

[1:27:50] place, which is the death version of the

[1:27:51] Emerald Dream, that cleans it up. That

[1:27:54] makes it better. That like separates it

[1:27:57] off and makes it what it should have

[1:27:58] been all along. Like, this is this is a

[1:28:00] reverse recon if this is indeed what

[1:28:03] they're doing and I'm certain they are.

[1:28:04] And that's brilliant. I love that.

[1:28:06] That's fantastic. Of course,

[1:28:09] Sylvanas could have maybe told us that

[1:28:11] instead of going,

[1:28:12] "I will tell you about it some other

[1:28:14] time."

[1:28:15] >> No. "I will not rest until I will not

[1:28:18] rest I will not rest until I

[1:28:21] I figure it out. Um, and and so what I I

[1:28:23] I Bye. I mean, I'm very much in And I've

[1:28:25] always been against reconning the

[1:28:26] Shadowlands. I'm like, you can't just

[1:28:27] recon [ __ ] whole expansions. Like,

[1:28:29] it's there, deal with it, work around

[1:28:31] it, work through it, you know, make it

[1:28:33] good.

[1:28:34] Um, and but this I do approve of because

[1:28:37] it's actually

[1:28:38] improving the situation, but also like

[1:28:41] making And I've been I've been saying

[1:28:43] this for so many years. Whenever someone

[1:28:45] asks me about it on stream, I I pull up

[1:28:47] the [ __ ] Chronicle

[1:28:48] like uh, cosmos chart and I'll be like,

[1:28:50] well,

[1:28:51] I've always said I And And I will die on

[1:28:54] this hill that Shadowlands

[1:28:56] it's not actually in the realm of death.

[1:28:58] We just need to look at it like this.

[1:28:59] And so, all the talk about it being in

[1:29:01] the realm Maybe they don't know. Maybe

[1:29:02] the people in the Shadowlands think it

[1:29:03] is realm of death, but it's not. And And

[1:29:05] I'm just I'm just I think I'm being

[1:29:07] vindicated here. I think I you know, I

[1:29:10] think I I yes, this was a good call from

[1:29:13] me for years and years and years in the

[1:29:15] face in the face of mockery and

[1:29:19] >> I remember. Yeah. So, like yeah.

[1:29:22] This is where I think they're going with

[1:29:23] it. And two, the other thing that a lot

[1:29:25] of people are talking about is the idea

[1:29:27] of um

[1:29:30] death being what Xal'atath fears and

[1:29:33] what the void fears. And this whole

[1:29:35] thing of the void fearing death.

[1:29:36] >> up repeatedly, doesn't it?

[1:29:38] >> So, the first time it came up was in the

[1:29:39] three sisters comic

[1:29:41] leading up to BfA where, you know,

[1:29:44] Alleria is there and she's having all of

[1:29:45] these um

[1:29:47] like whispers and they go [ __ ] nuts

[1:29:50] when Sylvanas is around there. Like,

[1:29:51] "Oh, she is the enemy of everything."

[1:29:53] And blah blah. And they're like And

[1:29:54] everyone, myself included, was like,

[1:29:56] "Wow, the void is scared of of death?

[1:29:59] Okay, why would And they haven't really

[1:30:01] touched on that again until recently

[1:30:03] again where the Venari line was like,

[1:30:05] "I've been to the Shadowlands. I see

[1:30:06] what you fear."

[1:30:06] >> Yeah. And everyone was like, "Oh, yeah,

[1:30:08] the

[1:30:09] the void is scared of death." And now

[1:30:11] with this scene between Xal'atath

[1:30:12] clearly knows who Sylvanas is. Mhm. And

[1:30:15] Sylvanas is like, "Death comes for

[1:30:17] everyone, Xal'atath, even your wretched

[1:30:20] kind." And And that [laughter]

[1:30:22] And I

[1:30:23] I love Xal'atath's reaction to that.

[1:30:25] She's like,

[1:30:27] "Ah, you are right. But also, I don't

[1:30:30] need to do this right now."

[1:30:31] >> know, I don't need to I'm going to go

[1:30:32] >> go and do my plan. Is that okay? I'm I'm

[1:30:34] in the middle of Sylvanas is is lovely.

[1:30:36] I'm in the middle of my plan.

[1:30:38] We'll sort this out some other time.

[1:30:39] Let's go."

[1:30:40] And she goes into [clears throat] the

[1:30:40] portal, which I really love.

[1:30:41] And

[1:30:42] >> I do appreciate how like Sylvanas and

[1:30:45] Xal'atath are like two, you know, iconic

[1:30:47] queens of World of Warcraft, both like

[1:30:49] quite devious, but like completely

[1:30:52] different, like polar opposites.

[1:30:53] >> Okay, do you want to hear my theory on

[1:30:54] the whole void fears death? Yeah, tell

[1:30:56] me about it quickly.

[1:30:57] >> The void doesn't fear death. The void

[1:30:59] doesn't fear death.

[1:31:00] >> What does it fear? Sylvanas. Uh why? The

[1:31:02] void sees every possible future. Okay.

[1:31:06] Okay?

[1:31:07] So, it it's seen So, Xal'atath has seen

[1:31:10] that in every possible future, she wins

[1:31:14] except one.

[1:31:16] And that's the future where Sylvanas is

[1:31:17] there. Oh, okay.

[1:31:19] >> Okay? So, it's like Sylvanas by her very

[1:31:22] presence in like the final battle makes

[1:31:26] it the reality

[1:31:28] the future, the potential future where

[1:31:30] the void loses. Okay. Wait, what is this

[1:31:33] gift of seeing all potential futures? Is

[1:31:36] that That's what they've always said

[1:31:36] about the void. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So,

[1:31:39] it's not Powerful. that the void fears,

[1:31:42] it's Sylvanas. Not because she's like

[1:31:45] the chosen one, okay?

[1:31:47] It could be you you could you could make

[1:31:49] it like the void fears red shirts, okay?

[1:31:53] Because

[1:31:54] in the one future they saw where they

[1:31:56] lose, Alleria was wearing a red shirt,

[1:31:59] okay? So, it's like it's not that red

[1:32:01] shirts are powerful or particularly

[1:32:03] meaningful or the chosen ones or

[1:32:05] anything like that. It's that in the one

[1:32:07] future where we lose, I saw you there.

[1:32:09] So, it's not like she's not to

[1:32:11] do anything. It's like the reason we

[1:32:12] fear you is because your very existence

[1:32:15] makes this thing possible and that's

[1:32:17] losing possible. You know, she's not the

[1:32:19] chosen one, it's just like [ __ ] saw

[1:32:21] you there, right?

[1:32:21] >> Okay. So, there's this thing of and that

[1:32:24] fits in with all the lines. It fits in

[1:32:27] with like the void going crazy when

[1:32:28] Sylvanas turns up and people were like,

[1:32:30] "Oh, they fear death." No, it's Sylvanas

[1:32:32] they're talking about. And

[1:32:35] Varissa's like

[1:32:36] Venari, sorry, is like, "I've been to

[1:32:39] the Maw. I've seen what you fear." And

[1:32:41] everyone was like, "They fear death."

[1:32:43] No, who's in the [ __ ] Maw? Sylvanas

[1:32:46] doing her penance, right? Right. So,

[1:32:48] like it's not death they're talking

[1:32:50] about is my theory. Interesting.

[1:32:52] >> It's Sylvanas specifically.

[1:32:54] >> Specifically her.

[1:32:55] >> She's an omen, yeah, quite quite right.

[1:32:56] She's not the chosen one, she's an omen.

[1:32:58] Yeah.

[1:32:58] >> Okay. She's like the [ __ ] like, you

[1:33:00] know, the the blackbird or the magpie in

[1:33:02] in and like yeah, exactly. All right. I

[1:33:04] am

[1:33:06] You don't like it, do you? You don't

[1:33:07] like my theory.

[1:33:08] >> okay with

[1:33:09] I guess it's it could be Could I'm

[1:33:11] trying to see like how it would play out

[1:33:13] and how it would feel. Like it creates a

[1:33:15] lot of potential like, you know, people

[1:33:17] are excited to see Sylvanas play out.

[1:33:19] People are excited to see Sylvanas play

[1:33:21] out in the sense that she will probably

[1:33:22] die, right? Like will she Maybe like she

[1:33:25] will expend herself one last time. And

[1:33:27] then oh, well, you know, with so it kind

[1:33:30] of fits in with what she said that as it

[1:33:31] at the end as she's about to enter her

[1:33:34] little Maw portal and she's like, "You

[1:33:36] know, maybe I'll see you again

[1:33:39] um

[1:33:39] uh at at

[1:33:41] the beginning of when it starts." I

[1:33:43] forget

[1:33:45] >> [laughter]

[1:33:46] >> Or whatever [ __ ] is, yeah.

[1:33:48] At the beginning of when Before the end.

[1:33:50] No, no, no, she doesn't say before the

[1:33:52] end. She says at the beginning of when

[1:33:55] Someone give me the words. It's not as

[1:33:57] snappy as it sounded when in the

[1:33:58] cinematic, I have to say.

[1:34:00] >> She says it is She says at the beginning

[1:34:02] of the ending or something really along

[1:34:04] those lines, which is like a nice uh

[1:34:08] before the end begins. Thank you, God.

[1:34:10] I'm so excited to see Cannot wait.

[1:34:12] Before [laughter]

[1:34:13] Before the end begins.

[1:34:14] >> Yeah, before the end before the end

[1:34:16] begins. I hope to see you again before

[1:34:18] the end begins.

[1:34:20] >> Yeah. Nice, nice. You know, the end

[1:34:22] beginning is quite a nice

[1:34:23] >> it's not as good as yours, but you're

[1:34:25] refusing to do yours [laughter] right

[1:34:26] now, so I'm having to I'm having to jump

[1:34:27] in and save it. I'm filling it I'm

[1:34:29] filling in. Yeah. The beginning

[1:34:32] >> [laughter]

[1:34:32] >> Yeah, before the end begins. And I think

[1:34:34] that's quite Yeah, she is ushering in

[1:34:37] the end, right? The the ending is is is

[1:34:40] coming right?

[1:34:41] >> Mhm. Um

[1:34:43] So, it's a

[1:34:45] you know, and in the sense that it will

[1:34:46] kind of provide some maybe closure for

[1:34:49] some characters. I think it I think it

[1:34:50] could be interesting. But yeah, my

[1:34:52] initial reaction, I was like, "God,

[1:34:54] Sylvanas is here again." It was, you

[1:34:57] know, hinted at that she will come back

[1:34:59] at some point. Makes perfect sense that

[1:35:01] she's there. And then I was won over by

[1:35:03] this kind of, "Okay, we're all in on

[1:35:06] this bigger cosmic conspiracy now. I'm

[1:35:09] onto something. I I'm going to figure it

[1:35:11] out. I'm not telling you anything right

[1:35:12] now. But I know

[1:35:14] stuff is a foot. Keep it at the front of

[1:35:16] your mind. Do all of your dolls and

[1:35:19] stuff, but we'll you know, we'll pick it

[1:35:20] up soon. Yeah.

[1:35:22] So, Yeah. It's cool. I mean, like people

[1:35:26] people are like, "Oh, how did she get

[1:35:28] out of the Shadowlands?" It's like,

[1:35:29] "Well, she was always she was always in

[1:35:30] the Maw semi-voluntarily, right?" It's

[1:35:33] like she went to trial.

[1:35:35] She was found guilty or whatever. And

[1:35:37] they were like, "Tyrande, what do you

[1:35:39] want to do with her?" And she says,

[1:35:40] "Your penance will be to save all the

[1:35:42] souls from the Maw." And Sylvanas jumps

[1:35:44] in there willingly. It's like she's not

[1:35:46] forced there, she's not bound there.

[1:35:48] She's not like, you know, there by any

[1:35:50] magical kind of like chains or anything

[1:35:52] like that. You know, she can come out

[1:35:54] the same way same way we could. You

[1:35:56] know, the the Maw is essentially open

[1:35:58] now. They don't send any souls there

[1:36:00] anymore.

[1:36:01] So, like she can she can

[1:36:03] in theory come I I So, I I don't I'm I

[1:36:05] have no issue with her leaving the Maw.

[1:36:07] Mhm. I

[1:36:09] like Tyrande's owl is probably there

[1:36:10] like, "I [ __ ] I closed my eyes for 1 sec

[1:36:12] I looked away for 1 second. Where'd she

[1:36:14] [ __ ] go?"

[1:36:15] But like, yeah, I mean,

[1:36:18] I'm I'm fine with that personally. Yeah.

[1:36:20] Uh so, yeah, I I I I'd be funny if like

[1:36:23] when she opened her portal to go back to

[1:36:25] the Shadowlands,

[1:36:27] um

[1:36:28] Tyrande's owl was there like, "The [ __ ]

[1:36:30] time you call this? Excuse me. You said

[1:36:32] you were popping out to get some milk.

[1:36:35] Where's my [ __ ] milk?"

[1:36:37] >> [laughter]

[1:36:38] >> I know. I know.

[1:36:41] Um so, yeah, you know, I I I was almost

[1:36:43] like not ready for this cuz I'm like I'm

[1:36:46] enjoying Silvermoon. I'm enjoying the

[1:36:49] threat. I'm enjoying the elves. I'm

[1:36:52] enjoying I like this. I like this world.

[1:36:55] And then Sylvanas is kind of not of that

[1:36:57] world. She's of something else. And I

[1:36:59] know she's there just to you know, this

[1:37:01] is just the ending of the cinematic

[1:37:03] at the end of the raid and other things

[1:37:05] will happen before she steps back in as

[1:37:07] part of the story.

[1:37:09] But I was like, "I'm not ready." But of

[1:37:11] course they needed it in a big explosive

[1:37:13] moment, didn't they? They needed it in

[1:37:14] like an impactful moment. So, it makes

[1:37:16] sense to do there. But I'm like, "I just

[1:37:17] want

[1:37:18] I'm just going to hang out in

[1:37:19] Silvermoon. Just change the skybox

[1:37:20] again. Just want to Just want things to

[1:37:23] be okay for a little Oh, and then the

[1:37:26] skybox. Okay, so like the void storm is

[1:37:29] over. There's no beam coming down from

[1:37:31] the sky anymore. There's no portal. Oh.

[1:37:34] >> normal skybox. Oh, hell no. Everything's

[1:37:36] light and sunny and nice again in

[1:37:38] Silvermoon and there's no big crack in

[1:37:41] the sky. There's no beam coming down.

[1:37:43] It's just a beautiful sunny day. And now

[1:37:46] all that lovely triumphant Silvermoon

[1:37:48] music, ba ba [singing]

[1:37:51] ba ba ba, all that [ __ ]

[1:37:53] You really feel like you've earned it in

[1:37:55] the city now. It's really good. It went

[1:37:57] all dark and spooky for a while and then

[1:37:59] you fought through. And like you've seen

[1:38:01] three different iterations of that big

[1:38:02] hole in the sky and now it's gone. And

[1:38:04] you do genuinely feel like you I was

[1:38:06] walking around there and I was like,

[1:38:08] "I did this." You did that.

[1:38:10] >> pretty awesome.

[1:38:11] >> Yeah, I like that. Yeah.

[1:38:13] That's so cool. And And like actually it

[1:38:15] does feel really really good, that bit.

[1:38:16] But um yeah, I

[1:38:19] I don't hate the Sylvanas thing.

[1:38:22] But two things can be true at the same

[1:38:23] time. And like actually three things can

[1:38:26] be true at the same time. I don't hate

[1:38:27] it.

[1:38:28] I thought like the lore stuff was very

[1:38:30] fun to talk about and I appreciate that

[1:38:33] kind of [ __ ] Definitely.

[1:38:35] But also, I think it's the dumbest

[1:38:36] [ __ ] [ __ ] I've ever seen in my life.

[1:38:37] >> [laughter]

[1:38:38] >> I just wasn't ready for it. I just

[1:38:40] wasn't ready.

[1:38:40] >> Like And And I know And I know Sylvanas

[1:38:42] is a Windrunner sister. This has been

[1:38:44] crucial. I just thought it was the

[1:38:46] dumbest [ __ ] [ __ ] Everyone's talking

[1:38:47] about her all the time.

[1:38:50] We've been going to Windrunner Spire.

[1:38:52] We've done the story with Lirath. We've

[1:38:54] done We've You know, we're It's like

[1:38:56] Windrunner town here. We literally are

[1:38:57] in Windrunner town.

[1:38:59] >> And you know, maybe maybe that maybe

[1:39:02] this will be part of like

[1:39:04] Sylvanas

[1:39:05] I think they need to

[1:39:08] free Sylvanas from yeah, the negative

[1:39:10] connotations she carries from

[1:39:12] Shadowlands. As be you know, I feel like

[1:39:15] this is

[1:39:15] >> a little bit of sick in your stomach

[1:39:17] though because it reminds you so much of

[1:39:18] Shadowlands?

[1:39:19] >> Yes, of course. When she came out

[1:39:20] >> feet are like there's like the black and

[1:39:22] I'm like I was like getting like this is

[1:39:23] giving me some emotions I've been locked

[1:39:25] away for a while.

[1:39:27] >> if this is a thing but her I think feel

[1:39:29] like her model looks crazy. Her face is

[1:39:32] like

[1:39:34] I will save you before the beginning of

[1:39:36] the end. I'm going to say this

[1:39:38] >> her and then it gets to Sylvanas

[1:39:40] Sylvanas has like teeth and she's got

[1:39:43] like she's got like mobile eyes and

[1:39:45] she's like

[1:39:47] rolling her you know and

[1:39:49] maybe cuz she is kind of dead you know.

[1:39:53] Maybe it's cuz Sylvanas is is like in

[1:39:55] the Maw and um but her seeing her like