Quantum Consciousness: Real or BS?
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This video explores the hypothesis that quantum effects, specifically nuclear spins in phosphorus-containing molecules, might play a role in consciousness. The presenter reviews recent scientific papers that lend some credibility to the idea, while expressing personal skepticism.
The idea that quantum physics links to consciousness dates back a century, but most physicists reject it. However, the mechanism of consciousness is unknown, leaving room for quantum effects.
In 2015, physicist Matthew Fisher proposed that the brain uses nuclear spins for quantum information processing, specifically phosphorus-31 in Posner molecules, which can protect quantum states in biological environments.
Fisher's idea is cleaner than Penrose and Hameroff's microtubule theory because it offers a mechanism: entangled spins in Posner molecules could release calcium ions in a correlated way, influencing neural signaling.
Calculations for how long phosphate molecules retain quantum properties in the brain: Fisher estimated 3 weeks, corrected to half an hour, and the latest calculation suggests a few hundred seconds.
A paper found that chemical reactions of phosphate molecules with lithium isotopes depend on nuclear spin, lending credibility to the idea that nuclear spin plays a role.
Another paper conjectures that psychedelic drugs work by generating conditions for Posner molecule formation, potentially linking directly to consciousness, though without direct evidence.
The presenter admits he thinks the idea is '100% bullshit' but cannot scientifically explain why, and notes that no one has established that Posner molecules exist in the brain.
While the quantum consciousness theory is intriguing, the presenter remains skeptical due to lack of evidence and the implausibility of long coherence times. However, the brain's chemistry is still poorly understood, and phosphorus might play a role.
Who proposed that the brain uses nuclear spins for quantum information processing?
Matthew Fisher in 2015.
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What specific nuclear spin did Fisher suggest is relevant for consciousness?
Phosphorus-31.
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What are Posner molecules?
Clusters of phosphorus-containing molecules that can protect nuclear spins from the noisy biological environment.
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What is the latest estimate for how long phosphate molecules retain quantum properties in the brain?
A few hundred seconds.
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What did the lithium isotope experiment show?
Chemical reactions of phosphate molecules with lithium isotopes depend on nuclear spin.
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Fisher's nuclear spin proposal
Introduces a testable alternative to Penrose-Hameroff's microtubule theory.
00:30Coherence time estimates
Shows the evolution of scientific estimates, from 3 weeks to seconds, highlighting uncertainty.
02:38Presenter's honest skepticism
Demonstrates scientific humility and the difficulty of disproving speculative theories.
04:55[00:00] That there’s a link between quantum physics and consciousness is an idea that dates back to the very early days of quantum physics, a century ago. Most physicists today don’t believe this link exists and I understand the reservation. Then again,
[00:14] it’s true that we don’t actually know how the human brain creates conscious experience so it is possible that quantum effects do play a role. Interestingly, we’ve recently seen new evidence supporting this idea, and no it’s not microtubules. Let’s have a look.
[00:30] This idea goes back to physicist Matthew Fisher. In 2015, he proposed that the brain might use nuclear spins for quantum information processing. A nuclear spin is a quantum property of an atomic nucleus, different from the electron spin. Concretely,
[00:46] Fisher thinks the spin relevant for consciousness is that of phosphorus-31. In the human body, some phosphorus appears in clusters called Posner molecules. These are
[00:58] interesting because they can protect the nuclear spins from the noisy biological environment. This means they could maintain their quantum properties, which is usually difficult in warm, wet, and messy environments like living tissue.
[01:14] This is the major issue with all these ideas that consciousness has something to do with quantum effects: That you need a way to explain why the quantum effect can be present in the first place. Roger Penrose and Stuart Hamaroff say the microtubules do it.
[01:30] Fisher has the idea it’s the nuclear spin of these molecule groups. That, I have to admit, is a much cleaner way to encode quantum behaviour. And in contrast to Penrose and Hameroff, he also has an idea for what it’s got to
[01:44] do with consciousness. Fisher says that if two of these molecules carry entangled spins, and later break apart in different places, they could release calcium ions in a correlated
[01:56] way. Calcium is important for signaling between neurons. So, in principle, quantum correlations could influence neural activity. In principle, ok, but what about reality?
[02:08] In one recent paper, a group of scientists did a calculation for how long these phosphate molecules can retain quantum properties in the brain. Fisher himself estimated about 3 weeks
[02:24] which seems somewhat ridiculous. A different group later corrected this to half an hour. The new calculation now says something in the range of a few hundred seconds. So this is not
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[04:04] In another paper, a group of scientists found that chemical reactions of this phosphate molecule with lithium isotopes depend on the nuclear spin. The relevance of this is not directly about brain signalling, but it lends credibility to the idea
[04:20] that the nuclear spin plays a role, probably because it interacts with the electron spin. And then there is a third paper whose authors conjecture that these phosphate molecules are the reason why psychedelic drugs act the way they do, which would basically be a
[04:37] direct link to consciousness. They have no direct evidence for this, but they argue that the drugs generate the right conditions for these particular molecule clusters to form. What are we to make of this? Ok. Let me be honest. I think this is 100% bullshit. The problem is,
[04:55] I can’t tell you why. I just look at these papers and think it sounds like bullshit. And then I think this is not a very scientific reaction is it? So I try to be open minded and tell you about it. But well, this is what I think: It’s bullshit. There is also the issue that so far no one
[05:12] has actually established that these particular molecules are present in the human brain to begin with. This isn’t as easy to find out as you’d think. We know that they exist in human bones, but in the brain they would be produced temporarily to take part in some signaling
[05:28] process. So you can’t figure out whether they were present from, you know, slicing up people's brains after they’ve died. Also kind of raises the questions why my bones aren't conscious.
[05:40] So is the origin of consciousness in some quantum processes? Probably not in this simple sense. But is the brain doing chemistry we still do not fully understand? Absolutely. And if phosphorus turns out to be important,
[05:54] I apologise in advance to everyone who thought the soul would be made of something more poetic. Thanks for watching. See you tomorrow.
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